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		<title>By: FanRanker</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-ncaa-vs-free-speech/#comment-756845</link>
		<dc:creator>FanRanker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 14:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, you have to play by the rules of the NCAA eventhough you will lose a lot of freedom and rights. It just comes with the territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, you have to play by the rules of the NCAA eventhough you will lose a lot of freedom and rights. It just comes with the territory.</p>
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		<title>By: Frossca</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-ncaa-vs-free-speech/#comment-259267</link>
		<dc:creator>Frossca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if I were a NC alum out to make a little mischief against the Dukies (and what self-respecting NC alum would not) I could set up a such a site trying to lure the prospect to Duke, tell Duke and/or the NCAA to pound sand with their C&amp;D and gleefully watch as the Blue Devils lose scholarships and money.  Cool.

(Of course, there is always the risk that the super-prospect might actually choose Duke.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if I were a NC alum out to make a little mischief against the Dukies (and what self-respecting NC alum would not) I could set up a such a site trying to lure the prospect to Duke, tell Duke and/or the NCAA to pound sand with their C&amp;D and gleefully watch as the Blue Devils lose scholarships and money.  Cool.</p>
<p>(Of course, there is always the risk that the super-prospect might actually choose Duke.)</p>
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		<title>By: twolaneflash</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-ncaa-vs-free-speech/#comment-258400</link>
		<dc:creator>twolaneflash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you can join an organization and sign away your Constitutional rights.  People do it every time they move into a community with a homeowner&#039;s association.  Limited liberties is true in most contractual agreements.  For groups like the NCAA, power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.  The arrogance of those in power is beyond belief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you can join an organization and sign away your Constitutional rights.  People do it every time they move into a community with a homeowner&#8217;s association.  Limited liberties is true in most contractual agreements.  For groups like the NCAA, power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.  The arrogance of those in power is beyond belief.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Holsinger</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-ncaa-vs-free-speech/#comment-258141</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Holsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 23:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>materialist,

You asked, &quot;&lt;i&gt;The employees of an institution can, at least sometimes, be required to honor restrictive agreements the institution has made. Can the students of an institution be required to honor its external commitments?&lt;/i&gt;?&quot;

That depends on what the admission &amp; enrollment contracts of the schools involved say, and public ones cannot require waiver of federal civil rights as a condition of enrollment.  Private ones can, which is why religious-affiliated colleges exist - it&#039;s why they can show preference for students of their faith/denomination, or even restrict enrollment to their own faith.

I doubt, though, that any private school requires that students waive their federal free speech rights concerning the NCAA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>materialist,</p>
<p>You asked, &#8220;<i>The employees of an institution can, at least sometimes, be required to honor restrictive agreements the institution has made. Can the students of an institution be required to honor its external commitments?</i>?&#8221;</p>
<p>That depends on what the admission &amp; enrollment contracts of the schools involved say, and public ones cannot require waiver of federal civil rights as a condition of enrollment.  Private ones can, which is why religious-affiliated colleges exist &#8211; it&#8217;s why they can show preference for students of their faith/denomination, or even restrict enrollment to their own faith.</p>
<p>I doubt, though, that any private school requires that students waive their federal free speech rights concerning the NCAA.</p>
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		<title>By: Fantom</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-ncaa-vs-free-speech/#comment-258138</link>
		<dc:creator>Fantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, The Boz said it best...&quot;On more than one occasion Bosworth referred to the NCAA as the &quot;National Communists Against Athletes&quot;

And with the commie B.O as TOTUS. .. Ehh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, The Boz said it best&#8230;&#8221;On more than one occasion Bosworth referred to the NCAA as the &#8220;National Communists Against Athletes&#8221;</p>
<p>And with the commie B.O as TOTUS. .. Ehh.</p>
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		<title>By: materialist</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-ncaa-vs-free-speech/#comment-258134</link>
		<dc:creator>materialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not being an attorney, I am nonetheless sure that BobM is right.  There is nothing Duke or the NCAA can legally do to the non-Duke student involved here.  However, if he fails to desist the NCAA can sanction Duke for having such recalcitrant friends.  Does Duke have legal recourse then?  I&#039;m not sure.

The NC State case is more troublesome.  Can they discipline or expel their student if he fails to desist? I doubt that they legally can, but the issue is murky.  The employees of an institution can, at least sometimes, be required to honor restrictive agreements the institution has made.  Can the students of an institution be required to honor its external commitments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not being an attorney, I am nonetheless sure that BobM is right.  There is nothing Duke or the NCAA can legally do to the non-Duke student involved here.  However, if he fails to desist the NCAA can sanction Duke for having such recalcitrant friends.  Does Duke have legal recourse then?  I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>The NC State case is more troublesome.  Can they discipline or expel their student if he fails to desist? I doubt that they legally can, but the issue is murky.  The employees of an institution can, at least sometimes, be required to honor restrictive agreements the institution has made.  Can the students of an institution be required to honor its external commitments?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Holsinger</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-ncaa-vs-free-speech/#comment-258132</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Holsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy,

Actually there could be a RICO suit (18 United States Code 1861, et. seq.), with the predicate act being extortion under 18 U.S.C. 1951.  College students have contracts with their schools which consitute property interests, and are therefore property which can be extorted.  It would be more of stretch to argue that the students are being injured in their trade or business, but civil RICO is liberally construed in that regard.

Plus the schools in question, not merely the NCAA, would be civilly liable for violating their students&#039; federal civil rights - 42 U.S.C. 1983, et seq.  Private organizations and persons can be sued for some federal civil rights violations, thouogh it might be a stretch to seek relief concerning non-minorities/women for suppression of free speech.

The NCAA could be sued even for attempts, though the objective of such a suit would be injunctive relief, and that is available only under 42 U.S.C. 1983, not 18 U.S.C. 1961 where only the Department of Justice can seek RICO injunctive relief.

A federal civil rights class action seeking injunctive relief would probably be the best way to go after the NCAA for this sort of tin-pot tyranny.

Though we can dream about simply lifting the NCAA&#039;s anti-trust immunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy,</p>
<p>Actually there could be a RICO suit (18 United States Code 1861, et. seq.), with the predicate act being extortion under 18 U.S.C. 1951.  College students have contracts with their schools which consitute property interests, and are therefore property which can be extorted.  It would be more of stretch to argue that the students are being injured in their trade or business, but civil RICO is liberally construed in that regard.</p>
<p>Plus the schools in question, not merely the NCAA, would be civilly liable for violating their students&#8217; federal civil rights &#8211; 42 U.S.C. 1983, et seq.  Private organizations and persons can be sued for some federal civil rights violations, thouogh it might be a stretch to seek relief concerning non-minorities/women for suppression of free speech.</p>
<p>The NCAA could be sued even for attempts, though the objective of such a suit would be injunctive relief, and that is available only under 42 U.S.C. 1983, not 18 U.S.C. 1961 where only the Department of Justice can seek RICO injunctive relief.</p>
<p>A federal civil rights class action seeking injunctive relief would probably be the best way to go after the NCAA for this sort of tin-pot tyranny.</p>
<p>Though we can dream about simply lifting the NCAA&#8217;s anti-trust immunity.</p>
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		<title>By: BobM</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-ncaa-vs-free-speech/#comment-258102</link>
		<dc:creator>BobM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it is more than a little bit silly for the NCAA to act in this manner, it isn&#039;t a free speech issue. These folks can continue to post whatever they want without the interference of government officals, it&#039;s just that the University can be punished by the NCAA of which they are voluntarily a member. By being a member they agree to abide by the rules by this organization, no matter how ridiculous the rule may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is more than a little bit silly for the NCAA to act in this manner, it isn&#8217;t a free speech issue. These folks can continue to post whatever they want without the interference of government officals, it&#8217;s just that the University can be punished by the NCAA of which they are voluntarily a member. By being a member they agree to abide by the rules by this organization, no matter how ridiculous the rule may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Shibley</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-ncaa-vs-free-speech/#comment-258015</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Shibley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 18:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jerryofva,

The NCAA is not the one enforcing its rules against the student here. N.C. State is doing the enforcing. To use an analogy to illustrate the situation, your scheme suggests that if N.C. State joined a hypothetical &quot;American Anti-Socialist Alliance,&quot; and the alliance&#039;s rules required that N.C. State not admit socialists (which, like silencing protected speech, would be unconstitutional), N.C. State could either 1. quit and/or sue the alliance or 2. go ahead and reject socialists because &quot;the alliance can enforce its rules.&quot; 

Obviously, as a government agency, N.C. State is free to do neither. Government agencies cannot do unconstitutional things just because private organizations are pressuring them to do so. That would grant private organizations the coercive power of the state to enforce their preferences, and that is a very unwise idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jerryofva,</p>
<p>The NCAA is not the one enforcing its rules against the student here. N.C. State is doing the enforcing. To use an analogy to illustrate the situation, your scheme suggests that if N.C. State joined a hypothetical &#8220;American Anti-Socialist Alliance,&#8221; and the alliance&#8217;s rules required that N.C. State not admit socialists (which, like silencing protected speech, would be unconstitutional), N.C. State could either 1. quit and/or sue the alliance or 2. go ahead and reject socialists because &#8220;the alliance can enforce its rules.&#8221; </p>
<p>Obviously, as a government agency, N.C. State is free to do neither. Government agencies cannot do unconstitutional things just because private organizations are pressuring them to do so. That would grant private organizations the coercive power of the state to enforce their preferences, and that is a very unwise idea.</p>
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		<title>By: jerryofva</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-ncaa-vs-free-speech/#comment-257999</link>
		<dc:creator>jerryofva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 18:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WJ:

A private organization sets its own rules so if you don&#039;t like them quit the organization.  You don&#039;t have any constitutiional rights at your local country club.

Robert:

NC State is a member of a private association call the National Collegiate Athletic Association.  They are bound by its rules.  If they don&#039;t like that then they can quit or they can challenge them in a civil action like Florida State did over using Seminole imagery.  In the meantime the NCAA can enforce its rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WJ:</p>
<p>A private organization sets its own rules so if you don&#8217;t like them quit the organization.  You don&#8217;t have any constitutiional rights at your local country club.</p>
<p>Robert:</p>
<p>NC State is a member of a private association call the National Collegiate Athletic Association.  They are bound by its rules.  If they don&#8217;t like that then they can quit or they can challenge them in a civil action like Florida State did over using Seminole imagery.  In the meantime the NCAA can enforce its rules.</p>
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