Comments on: The Modern Left Abandons Classical Liberalism http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-modern-left-abandon-classical-liberalism/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:23:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jonathan http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-modern-left-abandon-classical-liberalism/#comment-431312 Jonathan Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:20:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=69328#comment-431312 I don't think rbell understands it, either. What he is describing is liberalism in the modern sense. Many classic liberals were and are Christian. In fact, that's the main thing, I think, that differentiates classical liberalism from libertarianism. While classical liberals and libertarians believe many of the same things in regards to role of government, they're based on entirely different philosophies. Libertarians are objectivists, Ayn Rand lovers. Classical liberals, even when they are not Christian, support Christian values and ideas. Which they share with conservatives. In that sense, modern liberals and libertarians are more alike, since they both hate traditional values. I don’t think rbell understands it, either. What he is describing is liberalism in the modern sense. Many classic liberals were and are Christian. In fact, that’s the main thing, I think, that differentiates classical liberalism from libertarianism. While classical liberals and libertarians believe many of the same things in regards to role of government, they’re based on entirely different philosophies. Libertarians are objectivists, Ayn Rand lovers. Classical liberals, even when they are not Christian, support Christian values and ideas. Which they share with conservatives. In that sense, modern liberals and libertarians are more alike, since they both hate traditional values.

]]> By: Bugler http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-modern-left-abandon-classical-liberalism/#comment-428343 Bugler Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:36:30 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=69328#comment-428343 Classical liberalism: I don't think it means what you think it means, Jazz. Classical liberalism: I don’t think it means what you think it means, Jazz.

]]> By: rbell http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-modern-left-abandon-classical-liberalism/#comment-427901 rbell Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:17:52 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=69328#comment-427901 Mr. Jazz would do well to read J. Gresham Machem's "Christianity and Liberalism". The core mind set of Liberalism is set forth in this book. In detail Dr. Machem describes the cherished beliefs and world view of those who consider themselves classic liberals. He also points out that they are members of another religion that is not Christian. The genesis of modern day liberalism started out in the pulpits of America’s 19th century apostate churches and then moved over into politics and education. It was a natural migration because nothing in liberalism is Christian, and it ultimately became bored by the deity that it was suppose to worship. . This should not be discarded as a religious book nor because it was written over 80 years ago. It is as current as today’s hip hop music. He covers all the social issues we are discussing today. At that time liberalism was a cancer over taking many denominations – and still is. It ultimately led to the destruction of Christianity in this country – believe me it is dead. Liberalism in politics and government has had the same effect. It has lead to some of the most stupendous failures in social engineering that has ever been attempted in human history. Yet liberals are oblivious to the failures they have created. In thier own minds they nobel because they have good intentions and that's all that matters to them. Mr. Jazz would do well to read J. Gresham Machem’s “Christianity and Liberalism”. The core mind set of Liberalism is set forth in this book. In detail Dr. Machem describes the cherished beliefs and world view of those who consider themselves classic liberals. He also points out that they are members of another religion that is not Christian. The genesis of modern day liberalism started out in the pulpits of America’s 19th century apostate churches and then moved over into politics and education. It was a natural migration because nothing in liberalism is Christian, and it ultimately became bored by the deity that it was suppose to worship. .

This should not be discarded as a religious book nor because it was written over 80 years ago. It is as current as today’s hip hop music. He covers all the social issues we are discussing today. At that time liberalism was a cancer over taking many denominations – and still is. It ultimately led to the destruction of Christianity in this country – believe me it is dead. Liberalism in politics and government has had the same effect. It has lead to some of the most stupendous failures in social engineering that has ever been attempted in human history. Yet liberals are oblivious to the failures they have created. In thier own minds they nobel because they have good intentions and that’s all that matters to them.

]]> By: Thomas_L..... http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-modern-left-abandon-classical-liberalism/#comment-427518 Thomas_L..... Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:14:54 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=69328#comment-427518 So, Mr. Shaw ... I take it you'd stand in the way of me getting my skittle pooping unicorn? Fascist racist! So, Mr. Shaw … I take it you’d stand in the way of me getting my skittle pooping unicorn? Fascist racist!

]]> By: Poe M http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-modern-left-abandon-classical-liberalism/#comment-427423 Poe M Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:39:22 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=69328#comment-427423 I started to read this, but I realized the author did not know the meaning of "classical liberalism." He seems to mean "modern liberalism, the way it used to be" instead. Anyway, Wikipedia has a decent overview (as of today, 10/22/2009) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism I started to read this, but I realized the author did not know the meaning of “classical liberalism.” He seems to mean “modern liberalism, the way it used to be” instead. Anyway, Wikipedia has a decent overview (as of today, 10/22/2009) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

]]> By: Richard http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-modern-left-abandon-classical-liberalism/#comment-426670 Richard Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:52:06 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=69328#comment-426670 The modern American Left is anything but Liberal. I am a classical Liberal. I want Freedom, Liberty, Abundance, Prosperity and Options in all things in my life, and for you too. The best way for us to have all of those things is for government to get the hell out of the way. The American Left wants absolutely none of those things. If they did, we would have more of them under their governance right now, not less. The modern American Left is anything but Liberal. I am a classical Liberal. I want Freedom, Liberty, Abundance, Prosperity and Options in all things in my life, and for you too. The best way for us to have all of those things is for government to get the hell out of the way.

The American Left wants absolutely none of those things. If they did, we would have more of them under their governance right now, not less.

]]> By: paul_unalaska http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-modern-left-abandon-classical-liberalism/#comment-426447 paul_unalaska Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:38:12 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=69328#comment-426447 "Thomas Jefferson still survives" - final words of John Adams Bob, while I agree with your last paragraph regarding reform, it's never been about 'fixing'. It's all about power. Starting small and unavoidably expanding their tentacles. “Thomas Jefferson still survives” – final words of John Adams

Bob, while I agree with your last paragraph regarding reform, it’s never been about ‘fixing’. It’s all about power.

Starting small and unavoidably expanding their tentacles.

]]> By: Bob http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-modern-left-abandon-classical-liberalism/#comment-426010 Bob Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:09:53 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=69328#comment-426010 "<i>But when classic liberalism gives way to modern, extreme liberalism, they seek to use this problem as a launching point to a single-payer, government-controlled monopoly of the entire health care system.</i>" The Left brings to mind the owner of a house who, upon finding his toilet plugged up, razes the entire house to the foundation and builds anew, rather than simply fixing the toilet. If only a fraction of the population can't afford health insurance, fix that segment instead of boogering everyone's health care. “But when classic liberalism gives way to modern, extreme liberalism, they seek to use this problem as a launching point to a single-payer, government-controlled monopoly of the entire health care system.”

The Left brings to mind the owner of a house who, upon finding his toilet plugged up, razes the entire house to the foundation and builds anew, rather than simply fixing the toilet.

If only a fraction of the population can’t afford health insurance, fix that segment instead of boogering everyone’s health care.

]]> By: Old Soldier http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-modern-left-abandon-classical-liberalism/#comment-425992 Old Soldier Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:49:33 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=69328#comment-425992 Poor Citizen: "I think issues are way too complex for simple answers based upon a simplistic ideology, don't you?" I might have agreed with you when I was young. I've seen enough of big government and big institutions to know that they should never be trusted. Never, ever trade an once of freedom for a promise of safety or security. They are false promises. Liberty always. Poor Citizen: “I think issues are way too complex for simple answers based upon a simplistic ideology, don’t you?”

I might have agreed with you when I was young. I’ve seen enough of big government and big institutions to know that they should never be trusted.

Never, ever trade an once of freedom for a promise of safety or security. They are false promises. Liberty always.

]]> By: Anonymous http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-modern-left-abandon-classical-liberalism/#comment-425991 Anonymous Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:48:58 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=69328#comment-425991 Poor Citizen: "I think issues are way too complex for simple answers based upon a simplistic ideology, don't you?" I might have agreed with you when I was young. I've seen enough of big government and big institutions to know that they should never be trusted. Never, ever trade an once of freedom for a promise of safety or security. They are false promises. Liberty always. Poor Citizen: “I think issues are way too complex for simple answers based upon a simplistic ideology, don’t you?”

I might have agreed with you when I was young. I’ve seen enough of big government and big institutions to know that they should never be trusted.

Never, ever trade an once of freedom for a promise of safety or security. They are false promises. Liberty always.

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