The Los Angeles Times Smears Memory of Former LAPD Chief Gates
Former Los Angeles Police Department Chief Daryl Gates died of cancer on Friday at the age of 83. A long-running theme in his life was the deep mutual antipathy he shared with many — but by no means all — writers and editors at the Los Angeles Times. The Times published a 1,500-word editorial on the occasion of his passing, and one is not surprised to see they were no kinder to him in death than they were in life. He probably would have been disappointed had it been otherwise.
I am grateful that I had the opportunity to know Chief Gates for these past few years, and I here offer an alternative perspective to that presented in the Times, which in my view is a shameful and unfairly dismissive characterization of his life and his dedication to the city of Los Angeles, in whose police department he served for 42 years, 14 as its chief.
The Times editorial begins as follows:
On Daryl Gates’ last day as chief of the Los Angeles Police Department in 1992, Times staff writer Sheryl Stolberg asked him how he thought history would view his tenure. “I think history will take care of itself,” he said.
By the time of his death at the age of 83, it had. Almost two decades after Los Angeles erupted in the worst U.S. rioting of the 20th century, a conflagration both ignited and unsuccessfully extinguished by Gates’ LAPD, the verdict of history is largely in — and if it suggests that Gates wasn’t necessarily guilty on all counts, there is no chance of a pardon. While an honorable man, a devoted public servant and a capable crime-fighter who might have made a decent police chief in an earlier era, Gates was a hidebound, egomaniacal figure who was so wrong for the job at the time he served in it that he nearly destroyed the city he was charged with protecting.
It must have caused the writer no little pain to allow that Gates was “an honorable man, a devoted public servant and a capable crime-fighter,” for he spent the remainder of the piece magnifying Gates’s faults and diminishing his accomplishments. No one would deny that Daryl Gates had a healthy, even outsized, ego, just as anyone who rises to a position of similar prominence almost invariably does. But to label him “egomaniacal” and “hidebound” and “wrong for the job” is to ignore the obstacles he faced during his career with the LAPD.
As the editorial notes, Gates worked for former LAPD Chief William Parker, though their use of the word “chauffeur,” like so much of the piece, is unfair in that it presents Gates as having served in some lowly, servile capacity. Like every LAPD chief since, Parker had a security detail, just as the mayor, city attorney, and district attorney do today. Gates was a member of that detail, and he shared with other members the task of driving Parker to his appointments, allowing the chief to conduct business while being shuttled around the city.
It was William Parker who as police chief confronted and uprooted entrenched corruption, both in the LAPD and in city government, and as Gates served under Parker he came to recognize the perils of undue political influence on law enforcement, the elimination of which was seen at the time as a much needed reform.
The Times goes on to lament that while the Los Angeles was changing during Gates’s early years as chief, he and the LAPD remained “much the same.” “[The city] experienced a crack cocaine epidemic early in Gates’ tenure that ravaged poor communities,” says the Times, “and gave rise to a new kind of murderous gang culture. Gates’ response was to turn the police force into an organization that even the most hardened criminals would fear.”
What, we might ask, is so objectionable about hardened criminals fearing the police? Though the influx of crack cocaine and the violence that accompanied it is often referred to metaphorically as an epidemic, it was not as though some spontaneous outbreak of disease had arisen through no one’s design. The cocaine “epidemic” was a consequence of decisions and actions made by criminals, and as police chief, Daryl Gates was asked to combat this crime wave without the added resources such an endeavor so manifestly required.
The Times’s editors criticize Gates for some of the LAPD’s innovations that were engendered by this outbreak of drug and gang violence. For example, they chide him for riding in what they erroneously describe as a “tank” outfitted with a battering ram during a 1985 raid on a suspected drug seller’s home. “With Gates in the passenger seat,” says the Times, “the ram smashed through the wall of the house, narrowly missing two women and three children who had been eating ice cream inside.”
I recall well the Times’s reference to the children and the ice cream in their contemporaneous coverage, as though Gates and his officers had flattened some nursery school rather than a drug den. “That, in a nutshell,” says the Times, “was the kind of policing Daryl Gates stood for: an officer in a tank, shielded behind steel walls from the community he serves, knocking down the wall instead of knocking at the door. … His officers were trained to bring overwhelming force to bear, to stay in their patrol cars rather than fraternize with the enemy, to focus on arrests and sweeps rather than crime prevention.”
Utter rubbish. First of all, I’ve been on hundreds of drug raids in my LAPD career, and I can say there are few moments more harrowing for a cop than those he spends prying open the door while serving a search warrant on a drug dealer. As fortifications inside such houses grew increasingly elaborate in the 1980s, it became more dangerous and more futile to use the hand-held entry tools we customarily employed. The resulting delays allowed dealers time either to arm themselves or to dispose of their wares by flushing them down a toilet or dropping them into the pots of hot grease that were routinely maintained on the stove. The armored car (as distinguished from a “tank”) was rarely used, but I can speak for many cops when I say I was only too happy to see it knock down a door or two if it spared me from the task of standing there exposed to gunfire for twenty minutes while I tried to break through the multiple layers of steel reinforcement that protected some gangster’s dope pad.
Daryl Gates wanted to shoot dead every drug user in America.
Cite, or admit you made that BS up.
A simple google search could have yielded the information easily. Did my pointing out the facts about Daryl Gates touch a nerve? It seems to. It seems like you hold him up on a pedestal.
^ Ronald J. Ostrow, Casual Drug Users Should Be Shot, Gates Says, L.A. TIMES, September 6, 1990, p. A1.
from wikipedia:
his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee that infrequent or casual drug users “ought to be taken out and shot” because “we’re in a war” and even casual drug use is “treason.”
He later said it was “calculated hyperbole.” So police are allowed to engage in murderous hyberbole about U.S citizens? How would the police feel if U.S citizens engaged in that kind of murderous hyperbole about them?
How would the police feel if U.S citizens engaged in that kind of murderous hyperbole about them?
Frank, why don’t you ask one ? They are subjected to such threats every day, some of them in popular rap music.
Casual drug users are usually too stupid to shoot. As a physician I have talked to many of them and find they have no idea, for example, of the addiction potential of cocaine, let alone its fatal cardiac arrhythmia potential.
If they are too stupid, then let them have a heart attack. Let them kill themselves with coke and heroin.
The difference between Gates, and dumbass rappers, is that Gates is the chief of police, and dumbass rappers are: dumbass rappers.
Maybe I overlooked them when I asked how the cops would feel being subjected to that.
But even if they are, does that make it right for Gates, the [i]chief of police[/i], to engage in the same kind of shit?
I guess it’s ok for the Chief of Police to sink to the same level as Ice Cube and 50 Cent. I guess Daryl Gates is no better than “Da Menace Clan”. The sad thing is that you people don’t seem to care. In fact, you excuse it.
It’s not “if”, Frank, it’s “when”. Happens every day, all the time. It’s just part of the job. Thank you for asking.
The best thing about it, though, is that once said it confirms the murderously hyperbolic speaker is sub-human and no longer needs to be accorded their full rights. Let the fun begin.
Perhaps the LAT will now make it editorial policy to call for police staffing levels to rise to similar numbers as the other big cities of the US. Having a ratio of almost 1/3rd of say NYC or even Boston certainly means that having guys walking beats and showing up and knocking on a door with twice as many fellow officers and know hardened vehicles as before is impossible. LA has consistently understaffed its police from the time when the LAPD could rely more on the auto to cover territory and the radio for security. And there is a little matter of having a large population but not a very dense one which means that areas that could be patrolled on foot are too small to justify the waste of manpower vs areas that would now be uncovered.
But it’s easier simply to criticize a state of affairs that the LA Times is actually in a position to change itself by demanding or at least editorially suggesting that staffing levels must rise to a par with other big cities. Not likely. And now the LAT has reached a point where its definition of a good chief is one that says all the right things, doesn’t rock the boat and has the decency to leave before something bad happens during his watch.
I lived in LA during Chief Gates’ early tenure when the city was under seize from gang and drug crime, the 7700 police officers of the LAPD were about 10% of what was being used in NYC and for a much larger geographical area. Without troops Chief Gates used harsh tactics to try to hold the city together. The sliming from the LA Times often revolved around a single interview statement made by Gates regarding the choke hold, a maneuver used by police to subdue angel-dust psychotics. It was a quote that could be easily Dowderized by leaving off a single word, which was done as recently as this week by CNN. Here is the actual quote:
“some blacks might be more likely to die from chokeholds because their arteries do not open as fast as they do on normal people.”
One can see by shortening the quote and leaving off the word “some” –as CNN just did again–that one can completely change the meaning. One journalist began referring to cop cars as Black & Normals. There was no intent on Chief Gates part to refer to black people as non-normal, but it was the intent of the LA Times to trash Chief Gates whenever possible.
Chief Gates said after the riots that “we should have blown some heads off right away.” Which is correct, but by that time he was under such duress to make nice to the crime infested neighborhoods that they initially withdrew when the riot started.
Wonder what the obituary will read like when Williams passes.
Thanks for this, Jack. Exactly what I was thinking when I read the coverage in the Times.
Gates was a cop, tough, unreasonable, totally supportive of his men, even when they committed acts of brutality. The L.A. P. D. has cost the tax payers many millions of dollars in lawsuits because of the cops cruelty under Gates. And that is only for the times the cops could be brought to trial, many more unprovable acts of brutality never did, I know because I witnessed those acts on more than one occasion. Times for once actually for once got a story almost right.
Thanks for the thoughtful article, Mr. Dunphy. History will record the honor, dedication and care that Gates served the city with and the continued loss of readership, lack of ethics and common decency that define the LA Times.
Why on earth is anyone even reading the LA Times any more, let alone quoting it as some kind of an authority on ANYthing, including which is the best dress on the Red Carpet??? Just stop it. And especially stop it if you’re still paying for a subscription.
As for Gates, I didn’t live in California then but my out-of-state impression was that he ran in a Politically Correct fashion rather than confront minority rioters, and the way he left the Chief of Police job was less than graceful … “kicking and screaming” seems to be a good adjective.
Just like Obama, if a majority of your constituents want you gone, then go, for god’s sake. Don’t hold on to it because the minority of tens in the bubble you walk through every day keeps telling you that you’re great and everything’s fine. Were there any non-LA Times polls done at that time to indicate what “normal” Angeleno’s thought about him going or staying as Police Chief?
P.S. Who was it that introduced the insane rule that you’re not allowed to ask swarthy people who don’t speak English whether or not they’re here illegally? Because of this one nod to abusive Political Correctness, much of the ensuing Mexican take-over of Los Angeles can be laid directly at the feet of the gentleman who was Chief of Police in 1979. Mucho muy bueno, Senor Gates.
….maybe SO_40 was a well-thought out and calculated “eff-you” by Darryl Gates toward blacks for needling his methods. Sounds like a story from Greek or Roman mythology.
Why is it that people will fault him for SO40, yet at the same time, they will curse Sheriff Joe because he does enforce immigration? I guess you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
The reasoning behind Special Order 40 was that using the LAPD for immigration enforcement would deter witnesses to crimes from coming forward.
The reasoning behind Special Order 40 was that using the LAPD for immigration enforcement would deter witnesses to crimes from coming forward.
The only people who would be deterred from coming forward were people who were criminals themselves.
Yea, sure. Like witnesses or even victims actually do come forward. The culture encourages silence. No amount of pandering or special treatment will change that. Many come from socialist nations where corruption was the order of the day. They expected the same thing here.
By refusing to provide the funding for proper staffing & or equipment, Gates was forced to use methods normally not employed. Were they right? No! However, were any of you helping him fight the good fight or were you among those who spent their time casting aspersions?
Didn’t always agree with Gates or what he did, but I always thought he tried to do his best. On-the-other-hand can not say the same for the LA Times. It was always apparent to me they were trying to do their worse. In my book Gates succeeded more than they, but it’s ironic they are both fading into oblivion in the same decade.
RIP Chief Gates. Die a vermin’s death, LAT.
I would never read the LA TImes. Horrible propanganda.They do NOT report the news. They report their SLant of the news. Thier comments are selected. I will never order their paper.
My guess is that History will remember Police Chief Daryl Gates much longer than it will remember the Los Angeles Times.
After my retirement in 1995, I had the greatest pleasure of having Chief Gates come to my house and spending the day with me, my wife and two daughters. In my 30 years with LAPD I’ve never met a more warm and loving man as he was. His heart was broken anytime an officer was injured or killed. It is too bad the LA Times had this need to attack and destroy anyone they could not control with their influence over the corrupt city politicians. You can see the mess they help create when you look at the choices they made for Chief after Chief Gates retired. I guess it all works out for the best because now the LA Times is going under because people are sick of reading their BS.
Wayne:
I have always respecetd you from the first day that I met you on the Department but I could not disagree with you more. Gates created a political firestorm during his 14 years as Chief and the Department is still pay for it today.
I wish you and your family happiness and health in your retirement.
Michael N. Moulin
I was the Lieutenant that Gates blamed for pulling out our unprepared, poorly trained and under deployed officers on the night of April 24th 1992. I accept full responsibility for all of my actions and would do the very same thing again in a heart beat. I blame no one for my decisions!
Gates was arrogant, abusive, insensitive, and stood in the way of the Affirmative Action Programs for far too many years. Gates was one of the good old boys who caused unnecessary disruption in the Department and the City, just to feed, his out of control ego! During his 14 years as the Chief he caused immeasurable damage to the City, the Department and the many good men and women who served the citizens as police officers. This occurred because of his inability to get along with political leaders of the community, the many good citizens of the community that come in all colors, and his over sized ego that blinded him from reality. Gates believed that he was the only one that new right from wrong and would listen to no other person.
Gates was no great leader by any stretch of the imagination. Great leaders don’t hide behind thier subordinates and blame them for thier short comings, great leaders don’t stand in the way of progress, and great leaders don’t sacrifice the men and women of their own organization to protect their own ego.
Great leaders are stand up men and women who do the right thing for the right reasons, great leaders accept responsibility and set the best example. Great leaders are not afraid of change! The Los Angeles Police Department is full of many great leaders. Gates was certainly not one of them! He knew nothing of these principles.
Gates did more to harm the image of the Los Angeles Police Department, the City of Los Angeles, and the citizens of Los Angeles, during his 14 years as Chief, than any other person ever employed by the Department.
Give me a break, come out of your dinosaur cocoons, open your eyes and get real! Gates was only an icon in his own mind.
History will be less kind to Gates than my comments above.
Michael N. Moulin
Retired Los Angeles Police Lieutenant
PS I had the last word Daryl, may you rest in peace!
Man am I glad you are gone Moulin. Sergeants, Lieutenants, Captains etc like you are the reason the department went into the crapper after Chief Gates left. “Great leaders don’t hide behind their subordinates and blame them for their short comings”. Gee you aren’t just a little biased based on the reprimand you got I guess. Great leaders also rise to the occasion in the face of overwhelming odds. Also you mentioned “unprepared, poorly trained and under deployed officers”. Are you kidding me? They were street cops from some of the toughest neighborhoods in LA who were trained to enforce the law in the worst of situations. They were experienced at dealing with individuals like those in the mobs they retreated from. They had been under deployed since the LAPD was formed and still got the job done. Most were pissed off that they were not allowed to go in and squash the riots before they got out of hand. Instead they sat at a command post and chomped at the bit as the city burned. Face it, you folded under pressure because you were afraid that if things got further out of hand you would be blamed for any action you took. If you took no action you thought you could just lay the blame at your superiors feet and blame their poor planning and your lack of resources. How dare you even refer to yourself as a leader. Believe me that was not your reputation on the department. You didn’t get the last word because there isn’t a last word when it comes to Chief Gates as he will be remembered long after you, your slander lawsuit and your cowardly actions are forgotten. Hope you aren’t wasting your employers time trolling the blogs and news articles spreading your hate for Chief Gates. That would be sad if you got fired again…
I too am glad Mike Moulin is gone. He represents much of what was wrong with the LAPD selection process. Take a test, pass an oral and wait for you number to come up. The concept of leadership, the suggestion that there is some personal and professional risk involved in leading are all alien to your type. While you were waiting for your captain to give you direction, did it ever occur to you to take action? No, of course not. I remember you as the guy who put his mechanics wrenches in his wife’s dishwasher before putting them away, then lining them up perfectly spaced in your tool box. That told me volumes about you.
I dont know Mike Moulin, but I knew Chief Gates. I disagreed with everything he said about Gates. Had the troops stayed at Florence and Normandy, things would have been very different. Reach for the mike and scream “help” and you would have had cops crawling out of the woodwork. This is where if you have a set, you deploy them. Form squads and a line of officers and quickly retake the intersection. It may not of stopped the riot, but we would have gained a foothold and set up our C.P. right in the middle of the action. I would have stayed there until someone with more bars or stars relieved me. Its in the city and belongs to the citizens, not a gang of thugs. The gangs would have known right up front we were serious. It would be very naive to underestimate the willingness and desire of street cops to want to do their job.
Moulin if you hadn’t been a coward that day and let your officers to do their job the riots would have been a much different story. To this day you continue to blame your failure of leadership on the Gates. Man up!
After reading your comments about Chief Gates and the riots it is obvious that you have been stressed out over your failures and actions on the day the riots began. I was there at the station when you came running through the back door to report to Captain Jefferson your observations at Florence and Normandie. It was very obvious that you had made the wrong decision to run from Flornce and Normandie with your tail tucked between your legs. A real leader would have stood tall with his troops and stayed at the scene and requested additional officers if needed. If you had made a stand at the intersection of Florence & Normandie the riots may have never occurred or at least not started up in 77th Division. I do want to point out that you were not solely at fault. There was a Captain and Commander who should also share the blame for their decisions and not being the proper leader.
Everyone who worked for you or around you knew what type of person you were. All you cared about was your new $2000 car phone, expensive vehicle and how much money you made off duty. If your people were under trained then you should share the blame. It was your responsiblility to see that your personnel were trained properly and given the neccessary leadership.
It does not surprise me that you made your comments about Chief Gates after his passing.
LAPD retired and proud of it.
Due to your failure as a leader
Many former residents of LA, particularly those involved in law enforcement, know that both Chief Gates and Chief Parker succeeded mightily in policing LA until, at some point, political pressure got to them and they failed to respond to mass criminal activity.
For those who have not pinned on the tin target and strolled dark alleys at midnight, it is true that “community policing” works- but only with the Good Guys. They are those one “protects and serves”.
But, with the Bad Guys, “bust and roust” has to be the routine, if you want to suppress criminal activity, eg. Giuliani in NYC.
Because, unless the Bad Guys fear immediate and effective police action they will act out.When they can count on political support they are emboldened, and act out en masse; a contingency for which law enforcement must be prepared. When the electorate permits the devolution of a civilian control over police,(police commissions running the PD), corruption of that control results in ineffective law enforcement. The criminal mass takes charge, and the riot becomes the expression of the evil individual.
Parker and Gates did not forsee and cope with this phenomenon and we do not know why. Perhaps the Hoover method might have availed for them, ie, Know where the bodies are buried and threaten to tell unless…
Is your political jurisdiction governed by the hapless, those who pander to political pressures?
Man am I glad you are gone Moulin. Sergeants, Lieutenants, Captains etc like you are the reason the department went into the crapper after Chief Gates left. “Great leaders don’t hide behind their subordinates and blame them for their short comings”. Gee you aren’t just a little biased based on the reprimand you got I guess. Great leaders also rise to the occasion in the face of overwhelming odds. Also you mentioned “unprepared, poorly trained and under deployed officers”. Are you kidding me? They were street cops from some of the toughest neighborhoods in LA who were trained to enforce the law in the worst of situations. They were experienced at dealing with individuals like those in the mobs they retreated from. They had been under deployed since the LAPD was formed and still got the job done. Most were pissed off that they were not allowed to go in and squash the riots before they got out of hand. Instead they sat at a command post and chomped at the bit as the city burned. Face it, you folded under pressure because you were afraid that if things got further out of hand you would be blamed for any action you took. If you took no action you thought you could just lay the blame at your superiors feet and blame their poor planning and your lack of resources. How dare you even refer to yourself as a leader. Believe me that was not your reputation on the department. You didn’t get the last word because there isn’t a last word when it comes to Chief Gates as he will be remembered long after you, your slander lawsuit and your cowardly actions are forgotten. Hope you aren’t wasting your employers time trolling the blogs and news articles spreading your hate for Chief Gates. That would be sad if you got fired again…
Mike Moulin’s decision, given the total lack of preparedness and decisiveness of those above and way behind him should rank as one of the bravest acts ever.
He was smart enough to know the effect it would have on his career, but chose the safety of his subordinates, instead.
Of course, we on the Department –at times — had to put the lives of officers on the line to accomplish the job. But, we made sure they were equipped, trained, and supported properly.
I do not shared Mike’s animosity toward Chief Gates, but I certainly understand it –considering what happened in the aftermath of April 24, 1992.
Also, unlike Mike, I do blame others for the decision Mike had to make.
Is that what they did previously? Say in Watts during those riots. Wait until officers receive training and equipment to respond to an incident? We are paid to go in and deal with these situations as they unfold not always when its safest. I’m sure Reginald Denny would have appreciated it if some under trained, poorly equipped, unsupported officers had prevented what happened to him.
I am just thankful that during the “Rodney King Riots”, my chain of command was different than Mike’s. From what I know, he didn’t go against any orders from above. From what I know, there weren’t any –nor was there any backup likely to be sent. A lot of people admire Custer. Others think he was a macho moron.
Corrected copy / Sorry Joe my fingers got ahead of themselves!
Joe:
If you are a police officer, be proud of your comments and let us know where or what Department you work for! Don’t be afraid to have a public opinion where others just might disagree with your dinosaur mentality. I have never said I was a great leader nor do I pretend to be one.
I took an oath to protect and to serve the citizens of Los Angeles. I made a decision on the evening of April 29th 1992 to protect the officers and the citizens against each other and to come back in another forum and resolve the issue.
I only thank God that you were not there in any capacity as a leader, it sounds to me like you just may have killed a bunch of people unnecessarily as Daryl Gates has advocated for many years. That is called murder under color of authority, that is criminal act, and they put people to death for that.
There would still be rioting in the streets of Los Angeles today had the wrong decision had been made at that intersection or if Daryl Gates would have had his way. Thank God Daryl was off at some party trying to save his job and wasn’t there, I suspect you were still in high school!
Slow down John Wayne and take a deep breath, these were people who had every right to be angry and it was our job to make a bad situation better not worse.
It was our job to preserve life not destroy it!
I was never sued nor did I did ever in my career receive a reprimand for anything whatsoever.
Ok, Joe where do you work, what is your rank, and provide us with an email so that we may chat when you get bored!
Michael N. Moulin
Michael@cabonet.net.mx
Dave:
Thank you so much for your insight and support.
Mike
Lt.Rick:
May I remind you, that these were angry citizens not thugs or animals. You have no idea whatsoever what we confronted at that intersection on the evening of April 29th 1992.
Thank you for your comments and thank God that you are retired and can no longer directly influence the good old boys.
Mike
in 1992 these were Angry Citizens?? Not Thugs?? Seriously?
So it was Angry Citizens setting fires and Looting? Boy LT I am glad you aren’t on the job anymore. People like you that sit behind the big chair, that hide behind political correctness are part of the problem in policing today. Your form of thinking is antiquated, criminals need to be labeled as such, and treated as such. This Kid Gloves approach to policing has been proven wrong. You thankfully are retired, a few more like you need to retire, and the LAPD might actually have a positive effect on the citizen that reside within it’s jurisdiction.
Kent:
Why are you so angry? Is it because that you did not get promoted!
I did follow the orders of my Captain, Commander, and Deputy Chief, I just didn’t blame anyone as did Gates. I made the decesion and they went along with it. Would you rather have had a bunch of dead people at that intersection as Gates advocated or come back another day prepared to do it correctly.
What in the world does the cleaning of my tools have to do with this issue. Have you lost it or just trying to be funny.
Mike
Guess you don’t read. I made Lt. too, as far as I wanted to go. I held my day watch over in Pacific without permission, kept them on the street and formed the PM watch into Tactical squads. Waited for the court verdict. Before it came, my wise Area and Patrol captains returned from the staff meeting and rubber stamped my decision. You should have thought about making a decision yourself instead of wringing your hands and waiting for someone else to take the heat.
Kent:
No Ken, I can read, I have a life and could not care less what rank you achieved. I am happy that you finally made Lt. and then decided not to go any further. Thank you so much for informing me that Pacific Division had a plan.
Just one question, what does any of this, milding interesting information, have to do with Daryl Gates not having a city wide plan and deciding to attend a fund raiser and not take charge of the largest riots in American history? Can you answer that question for me?
You want to know what I was doing when the jury announced to the judge that they had a verdict. I was about 30,000 feet in a 747 coming back from a 45 day vacation in Europe. I dropped by the station, on what was the balance of my day off, only to find out that there was no plan, no equipment, and the Watch commander a 4 month Sgt. had sent the day watch home. The CO of the Detective Division had also sent his guys home with their take home cars and radios. O, I forgot one very interesting detail. Gates had sent all of the Patrol CO’s 100 miles north of Los Angeles to a seminar for God knows what!
Ken, don’t come to a gun fight with a B B gun. Know your facts if you want to discuss what really happened in the first several hours of the riots. You don’t have a clue what we were up against. You want to tell me about some Mickey Mouse plan you had for Pacific, tell someone who cares.
No I was not ringing my hands, I wanted to use my hands and wring the neck of Daryl Gates for allowing our city to burn down.
Now why don’t you and Rick go have a beer and share your war stories with someone who will believe your shit, cause I won’t. Better yet, tell them how great of a leader Daryl Gates was!
Have a nice evening, the dishwasher is almost done and I need to put my tools away.
Your good friend,
Mike
Mike
I was working 77th on that infamous day in 1992 when you made your decision to leave Florence and Normandie and run back to the station. You and me know the truth that you made the wrong decision to flee Florence & Normandie. As a Lieutenant you were not capable of handing a tactical decision. I over heard your conversation with Captain Jefferson regarding your observation at Florence and Normandie and how it was out of control. I also remember Jefferson, angrly stating to you as to why you had stayed at the scene. I saw you bow your head in shame and subsequently follow Jefferson around the scene like a little puppy dog.
After Jefferson received your briefing he sent me and two units back to Florence & Normandie. Upon our arrival we received some rocks & bottles and watched the looters flee the liquor store upon our arrival. We had the scene under control with only three units untill we were order to the command post by the Bureau Commander. Another bad decision.
Sorry to say Mike, you are not fooling anyone. You are still the same Mike.
A few years after your retirement I saw you in Cabo San Lucas doing what ever. I made it a point to avoid you:)
J.J. May (13261) happily retired and still proud to be a “good old boy”
Correction to my message. The correct statement regarding what Jefferson had told Moulin was why he had NOT stayed at Florence & Normandie
Mike Moulin is a twat. Always has been, always will! He’s a jerk off that personell decided to promote. I have worked around him for a while in the 80′s in Wilshre. If he had ball’s he would have put out a Help Call and the troop’s would have showed up. Hard chargers from S/W 77th and Devionshire, Vny’s could have handeled the situation. But no………he was to PW’d from the top to make a decision on his own. A Lt.or Sgt. 2 is the first line of defense against a group of people. What ever he say’s is BS.
Joe:
I didn’t get fired! More mis-information!
I served 22 years of dedicated servcie to the citizens of Los Angeles, with honors, and enjoy a tax free pension for the rest of my life.
I hope someday you will enjoy the same.
Give me a call or drop me a line one of these days and we can chat.
Have a great day.
Michael N. Moulin
John:
Please,relax you will have a heart attack. Your language is anything but professional.
I know your form the good old boy squad but give me a break, Gates had no plan, you know it and I know it. The world knows it!
Why don’t we all go on a talk show and we can set the record straight on this and many other issues within the LAPD.
How abot that!
I take it that you ae retired because you sure wouldn’t use this language if you were not!
Have a great day, John
Mike
Lt Walker said it right. It would be very naive to underestimate the willingness and desire of street cops to want to do their job. And also to do it without getting killed. I doubt very seriously it would have been officers killed but a few of those thugs/animals may have been. It would have been a very sad day had officers been killed that day but it was also sad that firemen were shot, innocent civilians beaten and others killed during those riots. If we stopped and waited every time there was the danger of someone getting killed in our line of work, very little police work would get done. But as others have said here police work was not your forte. It was climbing. Your fear and concern was not for your subordinates, it was for yourself. You folded and gave up ground rather than stand and defend your decision later good or bad. Then you did what you said Gates was guilty of and passed the buck up to your superiors. I love your talk of what language one should use, how one should be professional and your snide comments about others who criticize you. Spoken like a true manager not a true leader. Your comments such as “John Wayne” also point to your mentality towards those cops who would have handled the situation properly. I do know what we confronted that day and they were thugs and animals. You do not do what they did if you are merely angry citizens. And you also don’t “come back the next day” to take care of the situation. Once that ground is given it is not so easily taken back. We found that out the hard way over the following weeks. But like most managers you have no desire to protect the city you serve only your self interests. I do obviously work for LAPD but have no interest in corresponding with you. And you may not have been fired but I’m sure it was not your plan to retire at 22 years either. And the only way that would be tax free was with a medical retirement which I would guess was due to “stress” right?. Enjoy your retirement the department and the citizen’s of LA are better off without you.
Lt Walker said it right. It would be very naive to underestimate the willingness and desire of street cops to want to do their job. And also to do it without getting killed. I doubt very seriously it would have been officers killed but a few of those thugs/animals may have been. It would have been a very sad day had officers been killed that day but it was also sad that firemen were shot, innocent civilians beaten and others killed during those riots. If we stopped and waited every time there was the danger of someone getting killed in our line of work, very little police work would get done. But as others have said here police work was not your forte. It was climbing. Your fear and concern was not for your subordinates, it was for yourself. You folded and gave up ground rather than stand and defend your decision later good or bad. Then you did what you said Gates was guilty of and passed the buck up to your superiors. I love your talk of what language one should use, how one should be professional and your snide comments about others who criticize you. Spoken like a true manager not a true leader. Your comments such as “John Wayne” also point to your mentality towards those cops who would have handled the situation properly. I do know what we confronted that day and they were thugs and animals. You do not do what they did if you are merely angry citizens. And you also don’t “come back the next day” to take care of the situation. Once that ground is given it is not so easily taken back. We found that out the hard way over the following weeks. But like most managers you have no desire to protect the city you serve but only to protect your self interests. I do obviously work for LAPD but have no interest in corresponding with you. And you may not have been fired but I’m sure it was not your plan to retire at 22 years either. And the only way that would be tax free was with a medical retirement which I would guess was due to “stress” right?. Enjoy your retirement, the department and the citizen’s of LA are better off without you.
Joe:
Why did you send an anonymous comment and then follow it up with your correct name, I think yuou made a mistake.
The world now knows what you think of the citizens of Los Angeles and I quote,”they were thugs and animals”, in your own words! No Joe they were angry citizens that we are paid to protect and to serve.
Well I will send this post to your commanding officer and see it we can’t get it included in your personnel file so that it will be available for our next promotional oral intervew. You can tell them during that interview that you suportted Gates and his mamagement style! You just may be a Decetive I for the rest of your career. I hope you didn’t type this onduty!
Now have a nice day, I have to get to work, make a few phone calls and find out who your CO is so I can forward your document!
Michael N. Moulin
Moulin,
You are obviously a little bitch. You demand that your critics use their real name and when they do, you start bragging that you are going to contact their CO. That tells me that you are nothing but a desk jockey with a huge chip on his shoulder. Good riddance.
Here’s a good one…quotes from la times article regarding the slander lawsuit Moulin eventually lost.
“What angered Gates far more, however, was that once Moulin had withdrawn he did not immediately turn around and head back into the fray. Moulin says he sought direction from his superiors. According to Moulin, they dawdled. They disagree. Then-Capt. Paul Jefferson, now the police chief in Modesto, has said he ordered Moulin back into the field. Other officers who saw Moulin that night said he seemed overwhelmed.”
“Mike looked like he had gone 15 rounds with Cassius Clay,” said Lt. Mike Hillman, a Metro division officer who was near Florence and Normandie that night and who echoes Gates’ assessment of Moulin’s conduct. “You do not leave, period. You do not let it go. You call in for help.”
“When the smoke from the riots had cleared, Gates and Moulin both were among the wounded. Moulin returned to work once, for a few hours, and then left, saying the pressure was too much for him. In September, he retired on a stress pension.”
The pressure was too much for you at Florence and Normandie as well huh? Tough luck on those lawsuits.
Joe:
Corrected Copy
Why did you send an anonymous comment and then follow it up with your correct name, I think yuou made a mistake.
The world now knows what you think of the citizens of Los Angeles and I quote, ”they were thugs and animals”, in your own words! No Joe they were angry citizens that we are paid to protect and to serve.
Well I will send this post to your commanding officer and see it we can’t get it included in your personnel file so that it will be available for our next promotional oral interview. You can tell them during that interview that you supported Gates and his management style! You just may be a Detective I for the rest of your career. I hope you didn’t type this on-duty!
Now have a nice day, I have to get to work, make a few phone calls and find out who your CO is so I can forward your document!
Michael N. Moulin
Wow, you are a jerk. Why in the world would you even threaten a fellow officer by snithing him off!!!! I was there too and they were thugs and animals. I finished my 37 years with honor and left on my terms with a service pension. Do me a favor and forget my name, I dont need to talk to you again. Hello Kent, you had it right too!!
Joe:
I wonder how your comments will look tomorow on the front page of the LA times.
Mike Hillman is not exactly a model Police Officer, ask the former OC Sheriff or is he already in Jail? Your right Hillman was near but he wasn’t there and knows even less about what happend then you!
I thought you were not going to have any furhter discussions. Keep it up yor just diging a deeper hole.
Have a great evening with the good old boys!
Michael N. Moulin
ps Stop hidding behind your screen name, come out of the closet.
Ha Ha…the true colors come out…you are the snake I thought you were. “Ok, Joe where do you work, what is your rank, and provide us with an email so that we may chat when you get bored!” Then you type “I will send this post to your commanding officer and see if we can’t get it included in your personnel file so that it will be available for our next promotional oral interview. You can tell them during that interview that you supported Gates and his management style! You just may be a Detective I for the rest of your career. I hope you didn’t type this on-duty!” Spoken like a true climber. What a piece of s___. I clicked the send button twice for the same comment and thats why the anonymous post. I’m not afraid of you or my comments. They are true. I think most of the world would refer to those that maim and kill innocent people like Reginald Denny, loot neighborhood businesses and burn their own city as animals and thugs. My comments are protected under the first amendment just as the disparaging ones that you made about some very respected people. And thats not my real name braniac. For the same reason that others use pseudonyms, I do so that I can speak freely without worrying about retribution from those that don’t like to hear opinions other than their own.
Whats the matter Mikey? Those la times quotes from the past hit home? Man what a sad bitter man you are. If you are past this then stop trolling the news sites and blogs spreading your venom. Move on. I’m over this whole story. Please don’t disgrace the Chief’s memory by coming to the funeral.
Rick:
If you want me to forget your name, then stop talking with me! I left on my terms after 22 years, so what is your point! I guess I was just more intelligent and left earlier! God bless you for serving 15 aditional years.
Go have a beer and tell your neighbors your old police stories and how it was under the good old boy system.
Enjoy your pention, I do!
Michael N. Moulin
Most of my career was served under Chief Gates I respected him as a man and a leader. Did not agree with him on many issues, however he was honest with his opinion and you new where you stood working under him. In his opinion if he felt you were justified in your actions he would back you if not that’s another story. The City of Los Angeles was facing numerous problems during Chief Gates tender and I believe that the without Him the department would have faced much more controvery.
Guess the moderator didn’t like my last post so I will tone it down.
First you type “Ok, Joe where do you work, what is your rank, and provide us with an email so that we may chat when you get bored!” Then when you think I tried to anonymously post (clicked submit twice is all) and you “got me” you type “Well I will send this post to your commanding officer and see it we can’t get it included in your personnel file so that it will be available for our next promotional oral interview. You can tell them during that interview that you supported Gates and his management style! You just may be a Detective I for the rest of your career. I hope you didn’t type this on-duty!”. Hmmm…spoken like a true climber not a true leader. You showed your true colors in that post.
Not really worried about my comments or you to be honest. I think after the riots the whole world agreed the people I referred to as thugs and animals were just that. As I said who else would maim, kill, burn and loot in their own neighborhoods? Also I think most cops feel the same way about your actions (or lack thereof) as I do. Besides braniac that is not my true name. I like many others use pseudonyms to protect my free speech from those that don’t appreciate the opinions of others.
Whats the matter Mikey? Those quotes from the LA times hit home? Man what a sad bitter man you are. If you are past this then stop trolling the blogs and news sites and spreading your venom about the Chief. But if you continue to make disparaging remarks about him expect the same especially with your history. And please dont disgrace the Chief’s memory with your presence at the funeral. Hope this dialog hasn’t stressed you out too much.
I remember moulin when he was a sgt. a wilsire vice. he was a pompous ass then.allways thinking he knew it all. constantly looking to burn fellow officers even though they worked in different parts of the station. also i remembered that his wife also worked wilshire at the time, and everyone wondered how a sweet person that she was, could be married to a looser like him.
their must be millions of moulin stories to be told.lets see how many we can come up with.
I greatly appreciate this article. I have always been astounded by LAs lack of police force and thier ability to make do. To See a thug like Rodney King destroy those officers good lives and still have officers retained in LA is simply heroics on the officers part.
Moulin, how typical talking about sending something to someone’s commanding officer, as I know this is still a free society where an individual can have a personal opinion and express that opinion. I was there that evening and you did fold and real innocent people suffered because of your cowardice. Those gangsters maimed and killed so many people over your lack of response that you should have been charged with some type of lack of duty in the least and up to accessory to commit murder. Enjoy your pension I am enjoying mine and don’t worry about responding to me I couldn’t be bothered with a coward like you and you don’t need to know who I am. Hello Dave
Kent:
No Ken, I can read, I have a life and could not care less what rank you achieved. I am happy that you finally made Lt. and then decided not to go any further. Thank you so much for informing me that Pacific Division had a plan.
Just one question, what does any of this, milding interesting information, have to do with Daryl Gates not having a city wide plan and deciding to attend a fund raiser and not take charge of the largest riots in American history? Can you answer that question for me?
You want to know what I was doing when the jury announced to the judge that they had a verdict. I was about 30,000 feet in a 747 coming back from a 45 day vacation in Europe. I dropped by the station, on what was the balance of my day off, only to find out that there was no plan, no equipment, and the Watch commander a 4 month Sgt. had sent the day watch home. The CO of the Detective Division had also sent his guys home with their take home cars and radios. O, I forgot one very interesting detail. Gates had sent all of the Patrol CO’s 100 miles north of Los Angeles to a seminar for God knows what!
Ken, don’t come to a gun fight with a B B gun. Know your facts if you want to discuss what really happened in the first several hours of the riots. You don’t have a clue what we were up against. You want to tell me about some Mickey Mouse plan you had for Pacific, tell someone who cares.
No I was not ringing my hands, I wanted to use my hands and wring the neck of Daryl Gates for allowing our city to burn down.
Now why don’t you and Rick go have a beer and share your war stories with someone who will believe your shit, cause I won’t.
Have a nice evening, the dishwasher is almost done and I need to put my tools away.
Your good friend,
Mike
“May I remind you, that these were angry citizens not thugs or animals.”
The guy with the brick bashing in the white truck driver’s head was an animal. A rabid animal. Someone should have shot him then and there while his fangs were flashing and his spittle flying, but it took a few more decades in his career of tap-dancing with LAPD before the happy event of his death finally ended his rabies.
You lost me with your sanctimony there, Mr. Moulin. THe Korean shopkeepers with their shot-guns had the right idea in dealing with that crowd of thieves and animals, and I doubt very much whether they were better trained, armed or prepared than the Los Angeles police department.
I sort of think most people saw it that way since despite all the hand-wringing and promises those burned-out areas were never re-built. No one was stupid enough to pour in good money after bad, and the lesson learned from those days and that angry blackmail was that if you’re going to shit where you live to make whatever you think your point is, then you’ll be sleeping in a fetid sty for ever and ever. Ditto New Orleans and Katrina.
Now Obama has been elected and he says he’s going to *take* the money whether we taxpayers like it or not and dump it into those burned-out areas in Watts and Detroit and New Orleans to make them equal with the rest of America. I just don’t see how that’s going to keep them from being a fetid sty if they’re still inhabited by beings who bash other people’s heads in with bricks and then dance about it.
“May I remind you, that these were angry citizens not thugs or animals.”
The guy with the brick bashing in the white truck driver’s head was an animal. A rabid animal. Someone should have shot him then and there while his fangs were flashing and his spittle flying, but it took a few more decades in his career of tap-dancing with LAPD before the happy event of his death finally ended his rabies.
You lost me with your sanctimony there, Mr. Moulin. THe Korean shopkeepers with their shot-guns had the right idea in dealing with that crowd of thieves and animals, and I doubt very much whether they were better trained, armed or prepared than the Los Angeles police department.
I too watched in horror at what was happening at Flo & No. Moulin displayed cowardice in the face of bad odds. Also, the Chief (may he RIP) should have come to the scene and assumed the role of IC. That being said, everyone knows that we let the city burn because the politicos got what they deserved. The mayor should have been charged with inciting a riot! The D.A. slapped the wrists of the looters. Damian “football” Williams eventually got what he deserved! Reginald Denny should have run those animals over with his truck! Finally, Mike Hillman earned the respect of the rank & file for his service to the city. But finally, my fellow officers should have disregarded clowns like MOULIN and gone in there anyway and taken care of business! Then said, “oops, did you say attack or fall back!?” Oh well, the street is cleared now sir!”
Still serving
I also remember Mike Moulin and my recolection is not favorable. It is obvious that for 18 years Moulin has had a beast tearing at his guts that refuses to die. That said, I don’t understand him lambasting someone who is no longer here to defend himself. I believe he would never had taken on Gates while the Chief was still alive. To do so now may be reflective of his decision making ability as evidenced long ago.
Thank you guys so much for making my point even more clear. I see that there are still a few good old boys still alive and in the streets of Los Angeles and other parts of America.
Lets see if we can touch another nerve! I bet you guys think Stacey Koon is a hero also!
Now lets see how you sustify his actions and those of his officers that he led to jail.
Have a great day, I have to go read the Los Angeles Times!
Michael N. Moulin
Joe:
Please continue to drag up whatever stories and articles you wish. I find your comments and those of several others most interesting. It points out just how far we most go to clean up law enforcement in Los Angles.
Thank you so much for your insight. I have given you all the time your going to get. Time to move and push that deliete button. see ya
Your friend, Mike
Joe:
One last point who is the coward here, I do beleive that in your comment above you stated that you are using a screen name. I’m not!
Why is that Joe?
I know why, because you lack the courage to use your own name. You are the coward! You are afraid! You are weak!
Let me assure you, the good men and women working IAD will have no trouble finding you, hiding in your spider hole, like another coward that is no longer with us.
God bless you and have a great day.
Your friend,
Mike
Ha ha…keep making my point. Litigious, vindictive guys like you do make me afraid. Believe me there is nothing I have said that warrants any fear on my part from PSB (its not called IAD). And me not using my name ranks way lower on the yellow meter than your actions or lack thereof back in 92. Enjoy your medical retirement and living with your past Mikey. Really pathetic…
The true Coward here is the man who threatens an active police officer with sending off information to his commanding officer, or internal affairs when you yourself are retired. Why don’t you wait a little while and meet Joe Deeone for a beer after he’s retired himself, then you can disccuss and resolve these issues like MEN.
However, it sounds to me that upon your first promotion, you left what made you a man on the desk of whoever promoted you. You climbed your way through the ranks that much lighter and that much easier.
It’s my opinion you were given a stress pention to protect the officers of the LAPD’s Stress level and not your own. You were a coward then and remain a coward now. You couldn’t lead men into battle then, and even now you come to battle a man who himself is dead. Why didn’t you ever come out of the woodwork while the Chief was around?
You define the word COWARD.
You were there in a leadership position on the first day, you were in a position to end the riots before they began and instead of calling in for help, you retreated… probably never tore a uniform on duty, and didn’t want to start 04/29/1992?
From Wikipedia:
“First day (Wednesday, April 29)
The acquittals of the four accused Los Angeles Police Department officers came at 3:15 p.m. local time. By 3:45, a crowd of more than 300 people had appeared at the Los Angeles County Courthouse, most protesting the verdicts passed down a half an hour earlier and many miles away. Between 5 and 6 p.m., a group of two dozen officers, commanded by LAPD Lt. Michael Moulin, confronted a growing African-American crowd at the intersection of Florence and Normandie in South Central Los Angeles. Outnumbered, these officers retreated.[22] A new group of protesters appeared at Parker Center, the LAPD’s headquarters, by about 6:30 p.m., and 15 minutes later, the crowd at Florence and Normandie had started looting, attacking vehicles and people, mainly whites.”
Moulin was the watch commander that fateful day. He was in charge not Chief Gates. If there was no plan, Moulin should have made one; it is that simple. Moulin was mentally unprepared to take his people into battle and had to run away with his tail between his legs. Moulin your people were prepared and trained; that had their batons, pistols and shotguns. We knew how to use them you just wouldn’t let us you coward.
Hey I must admit Mike, you looked FABULOUS in your gold braided baseball cap directing the chow line WITHIN the CP..man did you look GOOD…And the renderings “Cobra” did of you were spot on hahahaha. You sued him too didnt you? You were 77th’s joke prior to the events in 92, and a embarrassment after. Go count the money from your tax free pension loser.
All this back and forth with moulin is just giving moulin a chance to do what he never was able to do when on the job… be part of something worthwhile… dont waste your energy on his “words”…we all know what type of officer/”leader” he was… or actually, what type of officer/leader he was not…
let him have his opinion… it’s his way of “clearing” his name on that historic day where we we’re ordered to stand around and let the residents of the city be injured and maimed…not for the reasons he cites, but for his own selfish reasons…
We all know who’s who in the proverbial zoo when it comes to our LAPD history… you gotta consider the source…
All this energy wasted on moulin could be used to continue to honor Chief Gates… let mikey sit on the other side of the chain link fence, face pressed against it, his little chubby fingers gripping it so hard the ends turn white… with his pension check (for the rest of his life, as he said)…i bet he’s got a full growth of facial hair now… cant blame him… if i was him, i couldnt look in the mirror either…
Chief Gates, thank you for your service not only to the men and women of the LAPD, but also for the average, everyday deserving residents of the city of angels… thank you for not bending to the winds of political correctness, thank you for standing with us not only when we were lauded, but also when we were thrashed for simply wearing the uniform. Thank you for standing with us that one hot summer day at one of our fallen’s funeral, for not sitting in the shade with other staffers there without an option…thank you for choosing to stand on the uneven ground amid the blue mist, amid the sweat and tears we shed that day for our fallen brother…I’ll never forget seeing you standing in formation with us… and that’s the image we have of you… and speaking for myself, no one can tarnish that image…God Bless our LEOs and those that lead by example…
Man, I look at some of the comments above and I see some of the names making them and wonder “WHAT HAPPEN TO YOU!” This is NOW ABOUT YOU-IT’S about “The Chief”-he passed and it was a great life. Put aised your own issues and celibrate his great life and leadership!
Make no mistake about it-I was not one of his “favorite” cops. After all, during the week of June 19th to the 22nd of 1991, I along with a few others “locked horns” with The Chief-BIG TIME; when we “came out” publically in West Hollywood. It was not a pleasant time for any of us (even him)-yet, I never lost my respect for him. I suspect, that right now “Mitch Grobeson” is possibly dancing in the streets in West Hollywood at his passing-I am not. I am sad over his loss.
Sure, it was not perfect, and it was messy-that the job people and we are not perfect and I did not expect him to be. I like the guy-I really did. The Department was never the same after he retired and since his death I have found myself thinking back to the times I met him or he was “out an about” and we crossed paths.
Man, people stop the crap on this-give it a rest. This is about a man who was “L.A.P.D” and our only link to Chief W. Parker-a small part of LAPD is now gone-that’s to bad.
I will always think fondly of my years when he lead us-it was a special time in my life.
John-LAPD RETIRED
I wonder how many of you active dinosaurs will use your comments above, in your next promotional opening statement? I bet not many!
I really didn’t think it would so easy to get a bunch of dinosaurs to take the bait!
What a bunch of wimps hiding behind a screen names!
Michael N. Moulin
Yeah nothing like you huh? Wimp hiding behind a computer. Your name is already mud and nothing more could be done that you haven’t already done. The rest of us want to avoid being pulled into some meritless lawsuit which seems to be your modus operandi when you don’t like what people say about you. Thats not hiding its being smart.
Michael,
I have no connection to the LAPD whatsoever, but if you are representive of the brass there with your demonstrated immaturity and vindictiveness, then I think that all LAPD street officers are very wise to remain anonymous.
….Norbert is this you?
John, the point of this article was that the LA Times had smeared Chief Gates in their article. Then this bitter man came on here and smeared it some more. Hence the comments. We don’t need to put aside anything and I am quite sure the Chief wouldn’t want us to either. My only “issues” are the comments he made. This (former) climber needed his exploits brought into the light of day. Bullies like him are used to people letting things go and avoiding confrontation for fear of retribution. That’s how poor supervisors “lead”, through intimidation. This is evidenced by his remarks towards me. Luckily he is not a supervisor anymore, he’s just a retired loser with no juice on this department. Pathetic…
Gentlemen, let me propose the following forum!
See if you can get a one day pass from Jurassic Park!
I’ll buy lunch at an agreed upon restaurant in the City and we can sit down and discuss these issues eye ball to eye ball. You will be able to put a name with a face and relaese some anger, maybe we will even learn something.
I will bring only one person as my guest and you can bring no more than 8 active memebers from the Department to participate!
We will need a very strong mediator and some very simple ground rules.
I will sign any agreement you wish holding you harmless for any stupid or inappropriate comments that you may make to me. Comments made by you, about any other persons, then your own your own!
No costumes, no screen names, no attorneys, no weapons, no Department brass, no media, no tape recorders, just a bunch of guys sitting around having a good heart to heart discussion.
No one gets to hide behind anyone or anything. This should make, Joe feel comfortable as well as the other anonymous persons.
Now, who wants to organize this little seminar and who has the guts t show up?
Michael N. Moulin
Crash 30 yep!
Even more pathetic…whatever…get over it
I doubt you could find eight people who would actually sit down with you…even with you paying…Trying to make up for the retirement party you NEVER had? Keep your tax free stress money. See theres the difference between us “good ole boys” and losers like yourself. Id gladly sit with any of these guys and exchange ideas and beliefs. Even if we did not agree, there will be a respect among us all…..You never enjoyed respect when you were active and you sure don’t have our respect now. I enjoy your comical rants…You are now just an old red faced man with no real friends from those days gone by and even less respect from those who were there…including those who were more like you then us…..Even the other RATS deserted you…..Joe sums it up very well with just one word…pathetic…….
I had one hell of a retirement party, it was by invitation only and you were not invited!
I guess you won’t be attending the seminar!
If you can’t find eight then try seven, surly one of you have the guts to sit down eye ball to eye ball, can’t be that many cowards in Jurassic Park! You guys sure talk brave and spew a lot of false BS when you’re hiding behind a screen name.
Please don’t use words that are beyond your vocabulary and that you have no idea what they mean, like respect.
Just another coward hiding behind a screen name!
One question is Joe related to Joe the plumber?
Have a great, I am!
Michael N. Moulin
Dozens of coppers came and paid their respects to YOU?? I bet it was crowded…hahahahaha Im done..you bore me……
His retirement party was at Chuck E. Cheese, invitation only… Rats Only!!!
That’s why none of you guys heard about it!
Moulin, I lived in SoCal at the time. I called KBLA and opened my home to any Korean family burned out by the thugs and animals you were too scared of. I suppose you were the first to kiss up to Warren Christopher as he and the city council sold out LAPD. Unlike you at the time, I loaded a Browning A5 with alternating buck shot and deer slugs. Two doors down was a retired LAPD officer even better armed than I was and our neighborhood was safe.
Back stabbing, gold plated doofuses like you get people killed because you don’t have the cajones to do your job.
From my perspective Gates will always be “The Chief” and the LA Times will always be “the rag”. One thing about dinosuars – they went extinct before the humiliation of being “chick-a-fied”.
I am SO HAPPY to see ALL these people SLAMMING Mike Moulin for the Arrogant, sniveling, ignorant coward that he is. He runs a 3rd rate, sorry-ass security company in Cabo where he pretends to be someone of importance. He’s a total jerkoff down there too. The only reason they put up with him at ALL down there is because of his pension. He’s an abusive loudmouth and I see he hasn’t changed at all. Too bad all this has to be at Gates expense. Moulin is finding every internet thread he can find to cut and paste his hate mail around. Can you believe he would do this after the man dies? I can.. I know him…that’s the kind of coward he is, and continues to be. While Gates nickname in LAPD was “The Chief”, Moulin’s nickname in the LAPD was “The Asshole”.
Moulin is an ignorant, arrogant, coward hiding out in Mexico, where they hate him down there just as much as they hated him here in the U.S.
The world will be a better place without him
As a ctitzen, I’m glad there are men who put the shield on and do what’s right (Gates & Co) despite criticism from the pampered wealthy (LAT) who enjoy freedom and safety precisely because of people like Gates.
Lets all realize that, just like any schoolyard, there are bullies and they don’t stop until someone puts them down. Wyatt Earp, Buford Pusser, William Parker and Daryl Gates stood up and did what was right in the face of daunting odds and that is why America is not a corrupt land like so much of the rest of the world.
I do accept as true with all of the ideas you have introduced for your post. They’re really convincing and will definitely work. Still, the posts are too brief for beginners. Could you please prolong them a bit from next time? Thanks for the post.