The Liberal Way of War
The current generation of American liberals loves a good war. In recent years they’ve fought, with varying degrees of success, the War on Poverty, the War on Hunger, and the War on Carbon. So it seemed ironic that when the liberals of the Obama administration launched a campaign in Libya that seemed truly worthy of being called a war, they were reluctant to use the word. But now that disinclination is starting to make sense — because a war is something you generally set out to win.
You can’t blame liberals for appropriating the word “war” to infuse left-wing social and environmental policies with a sense of moral urgency in order to sell them to voters. Try rallying support for a time-limited kinetic operation against poverty. The trouble is that when you engage in the deadly serious business of dropping bombs on an Arab country and taking sides in a civil war — actions replete with dangers and unintended consequences — you need a stronger basis for acting than the insistence that something must be done.
The Obama administration’s decision to intervene in Libya, driven by the liberal interventionist clique headed by Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power, and Susan Rice, may be based on good intentions. But it’s underpinned by no consistent principles or coherent foreign policy (why not Syria? Bahrain?), serves no obvious national interest, and seems to have been taken with little thought as to what constitutes success, or what happens a week, a month, a year down the road.
It’s a “war” waged in response to TV news reports from journalists who arrived on the scene ten minutes earlier, and who prefer a simple good-guys-against-bad-guys narrative to a serious analysis of the roots of a conflict, or of the consequences of intervention (this is actually a recognised phenomenon – it’s called the “CNN effect”). It isn’t even a case of What Would Carter Do? It’s WWBD?: What Would Bono Do? It’s Live Aid with bombs. (It’s only fair to note that some prominent conservatives are also afflicted with this mindset.)
This rather simplistic approach to foreign policy is compounded by the Obama administration’s eagerness to distinguish itself from the perceived unilateralism of George W Bush. And so, in order to create the impression of the “international community” acting in concert, the U.S. has had to ally itself with countries and organizations whose motives are rather less noble, but who lacked the firepower to act on their own.
Soeren Kern has written about how French President Nicolas Sarkozy is showboating on the world stage in a bid to fend off attacks from political rivals to his right and divert attention from economic problems. British Prime Minister David Cameron is similarly beset by economic woes, and the Libyan adventure is serving as a welcome distraction from domestic politics; both countries, and other coalition members, have energy interests in the country. And the thugs and crooks that make up the Arab League were happy to play along, calculating that by shining the spotlight on Gaddafi they could both rid themselves of a regional nuisance and divert attention from the plight of their own peoples; although the moment the bombs started falling they defaulted to “us against the West” mode.
So the intervention in Libya is the half-blood child of multilateralism, an intervention driven in part by genuine humanitarian concerns and in part by naked self-interest. But make no mistake: there could have been no intervention without the Tomahawk missiles and B-2 bombers of the American don’t-call-it-war machine.
With so many disparate interests in play, disagreement over strategy and aims, and so little moral authority or political resolve on the part of those conducting the campaign, it’s not surprising that the situation in Libya is settling into stalemate. More than six weeks after Obama declared that Gaddafi had to go he’s still in place, and still killing civilians. And absent both principles and a plan, and given liberals’ general disdain for the projection of American power overseas, it’s also not surprising that the Obama administration’s commitment is faltering. France and Britain, incapable of finishing the job the U.S. helped them start, have demanded that both the U.S. and other NATO countries do more – the participation of most coalition members has so far been limited to having their national flag stuck on a map of the Mediterranean during TV news bulletins. Sarkozy and Cameron asked Obama for more U.S. airstrikes, but all they’ve gotten so far is his signature on a joint letter filled with multilateralist boilerplate and the promise of a couple of Predator drones.
Hillary Clinton’s tough line on Libya is said in part to be influenced by her regret over husband Bill’s failure to intervene in the 1994 Rwandan genocide; Power and Rice have also invoked the spectre of Rwanda. Libya isn’t, and was never going to be, another Rwanda; but if the Obama administration wants a more suitable Rwanda analogy, as well as a timely reminder of the contradictions, messy compromises, and long-term problems inherent when the “international community” embroils itself in intractable tribal and ethnic disputes in foreign lands, they only have to look from the north of Africa to the east, to Ivory Coast.
There, the UN, which has been involved in the country since 2003, has just overseen the removal of former President Laurent Gbagbo and the installation in his place of Alassane Ouattara, who was declared the winner of last year’s election. This despite Ouattara’s being suspected of involvement in a failed 2002 coup against Gbagbo, which sparked a civil war that pitted the mainly Christian south of the country against the mostly Muslim north, and which the elections were intended to end; despite the fact that when he was prime minister in the early 1990s Ouattara jailed political opponents, including Gbagbo; and despite the fact that Ouattara’s forces have committed atrocities against civilians.
Yet Ouattara is now hailed as the man to unite and rebuild Ivory Coast, with a stint at the International Monetary Fund apparently enough to establish his democratic and multilateralist bona fides in the eyes of the international community. As in Libya, France is heavily involved; the former colonial power is keen to shore up its business interests in the country, and has provided the firepower that enabled the UN to oust Gbagbo. And the Obama administration has lent its full support to Ouattara, with Clinton optimistically suggesting that his band of murderous thugs must “live up to the ideals and vision articulated by their elected leader.” What could go wrong? The odds are that Ivory Coast won’t be another Rwanda, but with the country divided along religious lines a long-term civil strife akin to that in Sudan is a real possibility.
Meanwhile, what happens in Libya is anyone’s guess, but the one thing we can be sure we won’t be seeing in anything like the near future is a stable, unified, Gaddafi-less country enjoying excellent relations with the West. Right now it would appear that the best outcome the coalition can hope for is a de facto division of the country, with Gaddafi loyalists holding on to Tripoli and the western half of the country (even assuming Gaddafi himself can be persuaded to accept the hospitality of some fellow despot, which latest reports suggest is unlikely) and the motley assortment of rebels, including Islamic extremists of various stripes, holed up in the east. But such an arrangement would require UN or other international forces on the ground to police it, and at the moment few countries are willing to help enforce the no-fly zone, let alone put boots on the ground.
None of the above is to say that the U.S. and its allies should never intervene in national conflicts where civilian lives are at risk; no-one wants to see women and children being shelled. But we should only do so as a last resort, where action can be taken quickly and effectively, without the risk of being drawn into a civil war, and where we know the people we’re helping into power are the good guys (remember all the media excitement about those Tweeters and Facebookers in Cairo? Looks like that might not turn out so well). And we certainly shouldn’t act as a knee-jerk response to upsetting television pictures. If we can take out a Gaddafi or Assad regime with a few well-aimed missiles, and then offer support to factions who won’t lynch Western aid workers, all well and good. And if that sounds like a set of conditions so strict they’ll rarely be fulfilled, maybe that’s no bad thing.
And any such action should be embarked upon with as little regard for the UN and other transnational talking shops as possible. The fact that so many stars have to be aligned before anything can be done makes a mockery of so-called principles such as the “Responsibility to Protect.” If there’s a guiding principle for humanitarian intervention these days, it’s the Responsibility to Protect, as long as Russia and China don’t object and there’s something in it for France. Unfortunately as mentioned above, the Obama administration is compromised in this respect by its rejection of all things Bush, which means fudges and half-measures will be the order of the day until late January 2013 at the earliest.
You would think the U.S. in particular would have learned something from Iraq and Afghanistan; and in those cases it could at least be argued that the national interest was the overriding concern, and not the troubled consciences of Hillary Clinton and Samantha Power. But in Libya the Obama administration is now facing a lose-lose situation, with a choice between getting involved in another lengthy and unpredictable foreign adventure, or walking away and leaving European and Arab states to clear up a mess that it spectacularly helped to create.
If war is hell, even when unavoidable and fought with crystal-clear aims and unshakeable resolve, then war waged by liberals is limbo.






Looks to me like our intervention in Libya is being driven by rank stupidity.
IOW…a typical liberal operation.
What makes you think that illegal and unconstitutional military interventions by “conservatives” are any more intelligent or justifiable than those committed by “liberals”?
Angus,
Which “conservative” illegal and unconstitutional military intervention did you have in mind?
Because we make sure to understand that the side we support are not our enemies. Al Quaida is a major driver behind the Libyan revolt.
Because when conservative types go after some dictator, they usually beat the living tar out of them (without getting hundreds of thousands of Americans killed a la our Woody Wilsons and FDRs). You could ask Saddam Hussein about that, but he’s no longer available for comment.
Obambi could have finished off K-daffy once and for all, but he’s too incompetent to get the job done.
So far, anyway.
Typical liberal Democrat bungling clown.
All we have to do is get Khadaffy in the same room with Hillary and a lamp.
keep the peace and human rights, we are all human beings is to have the same rights
Huh? And if this is such the case why is it that the United States is the only country that actually does what it takes to ensure that this is true, from its founding documents to the practice of its government? Why is it that these are just words to the populace of so many African and Middle Eastern nations? Why do they seek to replace one tyranny with another one, changing only the name of the players in the process?
It’s too bad that you’re relying on statists who came to power with Obama in the US. A President who wishes that he could act like a Chinese Premier is no friend of freedom and liberty.
“Hillary Clinton’s tough line on Libya is said in part to be influenced by her regret over husband Bill’s failure to intervene in the 1994 Rwandan genocide; Power and Rice have also invoked the spectre of Rwanda. Libya isn’t, and was never going to be, another Rwanda.”
YES! Finally, somebody has said it. Libya is in the middle of a civil war. It was very, very, wrong for the White House and Hillary Clinton to call what was happening in Libya a “genocide.” It certainly was NOT that and it cheapens the term by using it in the context of the Libyan civil war. There was no group of people that was being systematically exterminated because they were members of a specific religious or ethnic race. THAT is genocide. The people that were about to be killed in Benghazi were on the losing side of a civil war. They were ARMED rebels that were actively at war. They rolled the dice and tried to overthrow a dictator, and failed. That is very, very, different than the systematic slaughter of millions of Jews and Russians that were killed by the Germans during World War II. And Obama and his female minions should, and need to be, called on it. If Obama wants to take sides in a civil war to achieve a political goal, that’s his choice. It’s a wrong choice, but it’s still his choice. But to make this sound like Rwanda or the Holocaust during World War II is insulting, it cheapens the term, and is just plain wrong.
Spot on. If anyone is looking for an actual case of “genocide”, they need only look at Sudan, where the Islamist government in Khartoum has been very happy to look the other way while their “janjaweed” thugs exterminate Christian and animist Sudanese from the south part of the country, mainly because they aren’t Islamists.
In fact, “looking the other way” is a good definition of the Western “multicultural progressive” lot’s reaction to the Sudanese catastrophe. Probably on the grounds that they are loathe to annoy Islamists with anything like criticism of quaint customs like, oh I don’t know, mass murder of non-Islamists.
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eon
Agree with your analyzis of the problem in Sudan. Cannot agree that USA has a duty to intervene in every county where injustices are being committed. Sad to say, in general, people deserve the government they get. Until they are willing to pay the price in terms of their own blood to become free, they will be slaves. We cannot, and should not buy it for them, and certainly not with American blood (or tax dollars).
I hate to say so, but military inteventions are justifiable when they serve vital American interests. Besides, it is hardly true that people in a given country must always give their blood to become free or else remain slaves – Japan being a perfect example. But that hardly applies in Libya. The rebels are already giving their blood. Boilerplate slogans like you just recited might sound good, but their link to reality is tenuous at best.
That said, Obama’s intervention in Libya is ill-considered and is unlikely to end well. Eliminating Kadaffi and creating a Libyan democracy will require military resources and strategy beyond Obama’s meager (non-existent) capabilities. He may have railed against Iraq, but this proves he learned absolutely nothing from it; to him, it was nothing but a convenient weapon for political gain.
I agree with both of you, and I think you’re misunderstanding me.
Military intervention is only justifiable, as you say, when U.S. interests are directly threatened. For instance, I had no problem with Nixon raiding U.S. NATO war stocks to resupply the Israelis with armor and aircraft during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, because Israel is about the only completely reliable ally we have in the MidEast.
Libya does not meet the test of a “direct threat”. In fact, the most likely outcome is that no matter who wins, it will be an anti-American, anti-Semitic, radical regime’, most likely with strong ties to other such regimes in the region via the supposedly “secular” Muslim Brotherhood. And unlike Qaddafi, whoever succeeds him will be likely to seek out WMDs to arm themselves with, not give them up for fear of U.S. retaliation.
No, my problem is with the blatant hypocrisy of our “enlightened elite’”. They cry foul over Qaddafi attacking the MB; but are silent over the Khartoum government “ethnically cleansing” non-Muslims in their country. Just as they are silent about the treatment meted out to Christians, Jews, and other groups they find “politically incorrect” throughout the Islamic world.
It is one more reason I am forced to conclude that “progressives” are at best stupid, more probably cynical, and possibly even openly malevolent toward anyone they define as “not as perfect as I am”.
/Just IMHO, take it for what it’s worth.
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eon
The model of the “humanitarian imperialism”.
“…they only have to look from the north of Africa to the east, to Ivory Coast.”
I think you mean “West”. Ivory Coast is on the Atlantic.
You must forgive writers, geography is seldom their strong suit.
You saw perrty much the same thing on a lower level during the Clinton Administration, where the idea was to pick places like Haiti or Bosina where the U.S. could go to war, but not really a “war” war — that is, not anywhere that would require a long-term commitment or possibly lead to major Amercian casualties.
In that way, the Democrats are kind of like the Top 10 college football team that schedules a bunch of Division II schools and other weak sisters on it’s non-conference schedule, in order to pile up lopsided wins and impress the pollsters. Wars are as much about countering the image back home that the party and it’s leaders are weak on defense, which is what they have to prove to swing voters. But at the same time, they still have to make the far left part of the coalition happy, which is a group that truly hates all U.S. projection of military force (or at least until the day the U.S. attacks Israel) because they think America is the cause of the evil in the world. Keeping them happy means only finding the least-defensible targets like Qaddafi while using only the lightest military footprint, such as air strikes from distant bases.
The result is you get a military strategy that’s designed more for domestic public relearns than for any true national security concerns — what looks the best, or what they think will poll the best back home trumps what is the best for American interests. And it’s only self-preservation that keeps the U.S. in Afghaistan and Iraq, because Obama and his advisers know that if they completely pulled out of Bush’s War on Terror and there was then a successful attack on U.S. soil by Islamic terrorists, they would own the entire attack, and no amount of “Blame Bush” rhetoric would save them with the swing voters.
the main difference is the college teams usually beat their weak opponent
the libs, however, have tremendous difficulty winning any fight except against their own citizens
So let me get this straight. The Obama Doctrine is: When you go to war, don’t call it “war” but claim that you are “saving the children from genocide”. Just like you didn’t do in Rwanda.
The liberals are so funny! They must have a book that contains all the buzz words liberals use so that they cut-and-paste and make whatever they do sound good and noble and compassionate and not-Republican.
From now on, we can call the Libyan War: “The Great Compassionate Humanitarian Kinetic Response to a Genocidal Action Against the Children”.
Can’t Obama issue an executive order to paint peace symbols and doves on the sides of the B2 bombers? Would that be enough to scrub the image of US aggression sufficiently and telegraph our noble and peace-loving intent to the world? It seems we need something a little more demonstrative than just coming up with snappy alternate descriptions when even the dullards at the Arab League get wise to what’s really going on once those bombs, or “compact airborne landscaping devices” start to fall.
I wonder if President Obama and his assistant coaches ( Hillary, Samantha, and Susan) have ever read the book, “The Art Of War”. They blew it when they did not step up and support the people of Iran.
The entire mess of Iran today is the direct result of US meddling in affairs that we should have left alone. When those people want liberty, they’ll rise up and get it. Those who advocate intervention in other nations’ affairs are the ones who cause the world to hate us. And yet, they rarely advocate going where the greatest problems are, such as China or North Korea, etc.
The horror Hillary is selfish in a selfless way…or selfless in a selfish way. Either way she always has her cake and eats it and has that patented obscene cat that ate the canary look plastered on her horrible sour midwest suburban matron Methodist puss afterwards.
The Hill is still very much the same as Obama’s SecState as she was as Bill’s “co-President”. I forget who said it, but back then, somebody observed that the problem with “Billary” was that he was dangerously stupid, and she was stupidly dangerous.
I’ve always maintained you had to watch Broderick Crawford in “All The King’s Men” to understand Bill, and Angela Lansbury in “The Manchurian Candidate” to comprehend Hillary. Bill was, and is, a self-seeking idiot, Obama isn’t much different (except for being even more completely out of touch with reality than Bill), and Hillary continues to dream of power on a level that “will make martial law look like anarchy”.
The dynamic between Bill and Hillary, and The One and Hillary, is substantially the same. The critical difference being that this time around, the stupid one was dumb enough to give the dangerous one the equivalent of a loaded gun.
And no safety lessons.
clear ether
eon
Intervention for humanitarian concerns? Look at the horror perpetrated against non-Muslim innocents in Africa’s Ivory Coast. The U.S. France and the UN have blood on their hands.
Frontpagemag
Faith J. H. McDonnell
Apr 15th, 2011
Senator Jim Inhofe warned the UN and the State Department “that they would have blood on their hands.”
Ouattara’s troops were using machetes. “They were slitting people’s throats, anyone — men, women, children…
Ouattara’s men circle Simone Gbagbo. Inhofe said that the thugs had pulled out her hair by the roots and then went to the streets, displaying her hair to mobs of cheering Ouattara supporters. Again Inhofe repeated his warning to other Sub-Saharan African leaders, saying, “This could happen to you. This could happen to your wife.”
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/04/15/a-cri-de-coeur-for-the-cote-d%E2%80%99ivoire/
Racism, contempt and violent hate for blacks has to stop. The U.S. administration, France and the UN have blood on their hands. With very strong U.S. backing, French military and UN troops went to war against black Christian innocents in order to conquer the Ivory Coast for Islam. Another huge victory for global jihad.
UN Peacekeepers? Give them their proper name: UN Soldiers for Global Islam.
Ruthless and cruel French military handed over Christian President Gbagbo, his wife and son to their enemies in order for this family to be horribly abused. What terrible things are Quattara and his followers perpetrating against them in private? The Koran commands to show no mercy to non-Muslims. The UN, French military and their U.S. backers are fully responsible. They are allowing it.
There are pictures of terrified captured black Christians on the internet. They are deeply aware of Muslim barbarism. 1,000 Christians were hacked to death or burnt alive in recent days. There is no one to rescue them and Gbagbo’s family. No one to help.
A photo on the internet shows an Ivory Coast black Christian man and woman holding identical signs – a desperate plea to the world for help. This is how America and France are now seen by victims of Islam.
UN-USA-FRANCE=ASSASSINS
If I were to compare and contrast the Obama anti-Bush to the Bush style of war, it looks like this. Bush got rid of Sadam and the Taliban in weeks; the aftermath has lasted years, and with Afghanistan perhaps decades of civil war. With Libya, Obama is doing phase one, getting rid of Gadaffi in years, perhaps in a decade, of civil war during which the competing tribes will bleed themselves out. There wont be any aftermath, winner takes all. That’s pretty slick! Actually, that’s what I thought Bush was going to do initially. You know, roll through Baghdad, then on to Damascus and Teheran, and let the natives sort out the petty details (everyone has scores to settle). Since the prolonged spilling of blood leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths, there really isn’t much to recommend between the two, except that in one the natives generally do most of the bleeding. Ah, the modern American way of war, only the enemy is supposed to die.
Of course liberals love to declare “war” on poverty,”war” on drugs, and so forth. in peacetime, it’s a citizen’s duty to ask what’s going on. During the war, nobody is supposed to ask questions, just obey.
And no surprise, either, that in a genuine war, up against somebody who is serious and fights back, they flounder.
Well they can’t really explain why the U.S. is there, what our strategic interests are, or who the rebels are. Yeeccch. What could possibley go wrong? And look what useful idiot is over there saying we should do more
to help the rebels? Its Juan McCain of build the danged fence fame. He can’t seem to get a border fence built, but he’s over in Libya calling for the U.S. to expend more resources. And this is leadership?
Both sides of the aisle will doom the United States to the dust bin of history.
It should be noted that John McCain the democrat candidate for republican president is in the tank with Hilary and the girls. This war in Libya is absurd and trying to make an unruly mob riding around in pick up trucks and firing into the air a respectable pro democracy force is more than ridiculous. Hilary is and always has been a war monger;never forget her vicious enmity towards the Christians of Serbia and her glee at the bombing and killing of Christian children in Belgrade all in order to impress her Islamic friends. She is also a militant anti semite who willingly serves the American President who is also a pro Islam anti semite.
Right on!
The real problem is that Liberals are not interested in foreign affairs, just foreign soirees. This lack of interest means they are completely ignorant on the subject. So, they just make it up as they go along.
Everything to them is about domestic power. Obama felt compelled to act for whatever political reasons, but really had no idea what to do. He has the Pentagon who explicitly warned him, but you have to have at least passing knowledge of something to be able to use the good info being given.
Foreign affairs is the President’s primary duty. He is the CinC. Yet we keep electing guys who are totally ignorant on the subject. Bush was just as abysmally ignorant as Obama. Clinton was hardly any better. Bush I had real knowledge, which is why he did not pursue Saddam into Iraq after Desert Storm. Reagan had some good amount of knowledge too, which is why we had no big wars on his watch.
Just look at the record of Dem Presidents. Wilson gave us WWI after specifically campaigning against it. FDR gave us WWII after specifically campaigning against it. Truman gave us the Korean “police action”. Johnson fully committed us to Vietnam. Carter did NOT fight, when he should have, when our embassy and its staff was taken. These guys really suck at foreign affairs, but now, so do the Republicans.
We keep electing these yokels without considering the requirements of the job. Our people are just too ignorant. We have this mighty military, a loaded gun, and we let children play with it. What could go wrong?
And, whos’ fault would that be?
Robert… I think you mean ‘whose’… You have to forgive geographers… Writing is seldom their stong suit…
It is well-known that Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood are the most powerful force within the Libyan rebels. The U.S. government is eager to support them.
A couple of days ago the UK Daily Mail described America’s extremely dire financial situation as a “financial Chernobyl”. The Obama administration is going out of its way to support the most radical Islamic elements in Libya and other countries. God, help and protect all innocents.
washingtontimes: Libya rebels will receive $25M from U.S.
Dismissing concerns over possible links between Libyan rebels and al Qaeda, the Obama administration has notified Congress it is providing $25 million in nonlethal aid to the rebels’ effort to drive Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s regime from power.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/19/libya-rebels-will-receive-25-million-from-us/
“the Obama administration has notified Congress…”
I just hope the day never comes in which the sentence is completed by the words “that its days of being useful idiots are over, and that henceforth the Obama administration will decide what is best for the American people.”
How much did the mainstream media have to say about the carnage in Libya before our 3rd war? Little. The first I heard was from John McCain that ‘thousands were being killed’.
But we’ve heard for years of hundreds of thousands, maybe millions in Darfur…on a daily basis being slaughtered by the Muslims…and we did nothing beyond sending Clooney.
Is there any sanity at all left in this world? Are we going to allow the world to be dominated by Islamic rule? It looks like we’re doing our best to this goal!
“None of the above is to say that the U.S. and its allies should never intervene in national conflicts where civilian lives are at risk; no-one wants to see women and children being shelled.”
Really? How do you think we won WWII? And we call the people that firebombed cities “The Greatest Generation.” As General LeMay said about the Japanese, “If you kill enough of them, they will stop fighting.” And they did.
I sure haven’t noticed our enemy not bombing someplace because there were women and children there.
The USA’s leftists convinced almost everyone that we could fight a war without FIGHTING a war. It hasn’t worked but the USA keeps using the same tactics.
In Korea, we had completely defeated the North Koreans and MacArthur’s troops were on the Chinese Border. This offended the American leftists so much that when the Chinese attacked the Americans forces (without provocation) the American leftist press (New York Times) vilified MacArthur so much that a democrat president eventually fired him. Truman then tied the hands of American forces by not allowing offensive action, only defensive actions. The shooting stopped only when Eisenhower took command and leaked the OpPlan for using nukes against the Chinese mainland. The Chinese quickly signed the cease fire and repatriated American POWs.
The same failed military tactics continued through the Viet Nam War, Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghanistan War and now the Libyan Kinetic Humanitarian Can’t-We-All-Just-Get-Along Save the Children Activity.
re:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfi4s8cjLFI
If I may add to that, one of the reasons for the firebombing campaign was the earnest hope and desire (from what I understand) to avoid a direct invasion of Japan by U.S. troops (and possibly the Red Army also, in which case we would have almost certainly have to have given Stalin an occupation zone, as in Germany). Such an invasion would have led to carnage on a scale that would have been unimaginable just five years before.It was a case of using cruel means to avoid even more cruel means.
Can anyone here imagine what would have happened had 0 been the President in 1945, rather than Harry Truman?
It is thoughts like this that make me profoundly distressed and troubled that 0 is our president.
The One would have had a nervous breakdown about the middle of ’42. And there would have been no “Manhattan Project”- he would have had our “best and brightest” in the high-energy physics area trying to prove that we could not morally mount the war effort we did, because it would contribute to Global Warming.
The worst part, from his point of view, would have been his inability to blame Israel for everything, because the state had not yet been re-established. However, I strongly suspect he would have pressured Churchill to quietly kill the Balfour Declaration.
Obama trying to “bulldog” Churchill. Now there’s an image for you.
Right up there with him at Yalta with Stalin. The Warsaw pact border with NATO would have been somewhere around the Somme.
(Never get an old SF fan thinking along these lines.
)
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eon
Libya… “A Matter of Days, Not Weeks.” -BHO
And same day war on Libya starts, it’s time for BHO to go Spring Breaking in Rio. Too bad Brazil didn’t keep him there!
One of the downsides of the all volunteer army is that politicians use our soldiers like those lead soldiers we played with as children.
Madeline Albright’s comment to Colin Powell was telling: “What’s the use of having this great military you are always talking about if we can’t use it?”
At least with an army of draftees polciticans would not be so spendthrift ot at least like Lyndon Johnson pay a price in tenure and public opprobrium.
The absence of anti-war protestors or the continual news of conflict (on 3 fronts) lays the lie to Libs being concerned about human life or peace in the trash. They’re going to bankrupt us all then blame somebody else. ’12 simply can not come fast enough.
I think the key problem for the administration was:
1. No clearcut winner. It looked like Qaddafi would win then it looked like the rebels would win. The outcome was in doubt.
2. Because of 1, there was no clear option for the administration. Intervene and maybe make the outcome worse (because it would be Obama’s “fault”) or not and watch the “freedom-loving” rebels get massacred or (worse) take half measures neither really in the conflict but now committed in part to some measure of the outcome.
There were no good choices. All had political costs at the minimum.
A really confident or self-assured leader might have sent in troops to kick out Qaddafi while proclaming that then “he’s outta there” then leave (get out) things to NATO, UN, or the rebels.
There are any number of ways to do things, it seems that the administration tried to do it on the cheap, to avoid the charge that it would do nothing, and maybe ended up making things worse.