Comments on: The Lessons of Election ’09 http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-lessons-of-election-09/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:01:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: myth buster http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-lessons-of-election-09/#comment-438372 myth buster Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:20:32 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=71087#comment-438372 Ed, traditional Republican candidates are social conservatives. The Republican Party is the Anti-slavery party. It's the Rockefellers who are trying to turn the Republican Party into something it is not, never was and never can be. Ed, traditional Republican candidates are social conservatives. The Republican Party is the Anti-slavery party. It’s the Rockefellers who are trying to turn the Republican Party into something it is not, never was and never can be.

]]> By: Edward A. http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-lessons-of-election-09/#comment-438251 Edward A. Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:55:45 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=71087#comment-438251 For the GOP to lose a solid Republican seat in New York State should be a wake-up call. But, this ugly fight will continue to divide and destroy the Republican party as a national vehicle. The social conservatives will hold onto the south but the rest of the country will continue to back the traditional Republican candidates. The only winner in the fight will be the Democrats...is this the hidden goal? For the GOP to lose a solid Republican seat in New York State should be a wake-up call. But, this ugly fight will continue to divide and destroy the Republican party as a national vehicle. The social conservatives will hold onto the south but the rest of the country will continue to back the traditional Republican candidates. The only winner in the fight will be the Democrats…is this the hidden goal?

]]> By: David, Sacramento http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-lessons-of-election-09/#comment-438037 David, Sacramento Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:55:44 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=71087#comment-438037 I don't wanna hear crap about what this means without a simple analysis of the numbers. If you you dump the Republican vote on the Conservative vote, you get your plurality and the outcome is the opposite. This is the Ross Perot effect on a local scale. -Let's not forget that what happened 36 and 72 hours before voting. -Let's remember some people had already cast their absentee vote. -Let's not forget the "scorched earth" tactics of the Republican candidate by supporting her supposed ideological opposite. As long as either major party puts party above ideals, they are both doomed to failure in the long term. I don’t wanna hear crap about what this means without a simple analysis of the numbers. If you you dump the Republican vote on the Conservative vote, you get your plurality and the outcome is the opposite. This is the Ross Perot effect on a local scale.
-Let’s not forget that what happened 36 and 72 hours before voting.
-Let’s remember some people had already cast their absentee vote.
-Let’s not forget the “scorched earth” tactics of the Republican candidate by supporting her supposed ideological opposite.

As long as either major party puts party above ideals, they are both doomed to failure in the long term.

]]> By: Tristan Yates http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-lessons-of-election-09/#comment-437996 Tristan Yates Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:54:59 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=71087#comment-437996 When 40%+ of voters are still buying the liberal/progressive bill of goods, and Hoffman doesn't quite make it over the top, that still means that we still have a ton of work to do. Way too many voters still believe that big government, if properly managed, can be the answer to all of their problems, which is of course in complete contradiction to the principles that this country was founded on and history in general. Also remember the Democrats are trending hard left, so we should be winning the center - but if they start running moderates, they could erase all the conservative gains. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with the Republican victories but am also trying to be realistic about the challenges we face. My fear is that things need to get worse before they get better. When 40%+ of voters are still buying the liberal/progressive bill of goods, and Hoffman doesn’t quite make it over the top, that still means that we still have a ton of work to do. Way too many voters still believe that big government, if properly managed, can be the answer to all of their problems, which is of course in complete contradiction to the principles that this country was founded on and history in general. Also remember the Democrats are trending hard left, so we should be winning the center – but if they start running moderates, they could erase all the conservative gains.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m very happy with the Republican victories but am also trying to be realistic about the challenges we face. My fear is that things need to get worse before they get better.

]]> By: whiskey http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-lessons-of-election-09/#comment-437995 whiskey Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:26:24 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=71087#comment-437995 Ny-23 according to Hotair was held by Dems ... in the 1990's. Don't rely on CNN. Ny-23 according to Hotair was held by Dems … in the 1990′s. Don’t rely on CNN.

]]> By: SukieTawdry http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-lessons-of-election-09/#comment-437967 SukieTawdry Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:27:27 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=71087#comment-437967 Jazz, you never did understand the point of what was going on in NY23, but that point was well made and, I believe, well taken. In any event, NY23 will be moot after the next reapportionment if what I'm hearing is true. Jazz, you never did understand the point of what was going on in NY23, but that point was well made and, I believe, well taken.

In any event, NY23 will be moot after the next reapportionment if what I’m hearing is true.

]]> By: Ken Royall http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-lessons-of-election-09/#comment-437910 Ken Royall Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:27:09 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=71087#comment-437910 All politics is local? Is that how it happened when Obama swept in Democrats all over the nation? Is that how the Republican Revolution of 94 happened? Of course not, they were reactions to NATIONAL political conditions. In 94 it was a rebuke of Clinton and excess taxation and with Obama a rebuke of Bush and worries about the economy. Obama had "Hope and Change" and Newt had the Contract with America. Both strong, national themes although ultimately empty in Obama's case. The party that has the most energy and can swing the independents wins. Virginia and New Jersey were in the Obama camp, now not so much. Clearly the defection of white voters and independents to the Republican ticket is a reaction to Obama's big government policies. The fact that Hoffman, a guy who no longer lived in the district due to gerrymandering and had come out of nowhere a few weeks ago got that close is also due to concerns about RINO's and liberal policies. He would have won easily if the moron who the Repubs put out there had backed out earlier on (or never been nominated). His opponent was pro-gun and anti-public option, Pelosi's denials notwithstanding. Shaw is a blithering idiot once again. All politics is local? Is that how it happened when Obama swept in Democrats all over the nation? Is that how the Republican Revolution of 94 happened? Of course not, they were reactions to NATIONAL political conditions. In 94 it was a rebuke of Clinton and excess taxation and with Obama a rebuke of Bush and worries about the economy. Obama had “Hope and Change” and Newt had the Contract with America. Both strong, national themes although ultimately empty in Obama’s case.

The party that has the most energy and can swing the independents wins. Virginia and New Jersey were in the Obama camp, now not so much. Clearly the defection of white voters and independents to the Republican ticket is a reaction to Obama’s big government policies.

The fact that Hoffman, a guy who no longer lived in the district due to gerrymandering and had come out of nowhere a few weeks ago got that close is also due to concerns about RINO’s and liberal policies. He would have won easily if the moron who the Repubs put out there had backed out earlier on (or never been nominated). His opponent was pro-gun and anti-public option, Pelosi’s denials notwithstanding. Shaw is a blithering idiot once again.

]]> By: jane http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-lessons-of-election-09/#comment-437869 jane Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:36:45 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=71087#comment-437869 I believe Jazz Shaw is a moderate on social issues. Fine. But can Jazz please explain this comment: "But a quick look at his issues page reveals a candidate who might not exactly fit in at a Club for Growth meeting. Christie is very quick to point out that he is “pro-life” but then goes on to dissemble about the need to “reduce the number” of abortions and nibble around the edges with talk of parental notification. In fact, aside from using the pro-life buzz phrase, his position is barely discernible from that of Hillary Clinton during her failed presidential bid." I don't understand this quote or what you are implying by it. That CFG people are social conservatives? Or that they are social moderates? I don't think CFG is not about social issues at all. Does Jazz know something I don't? I believe Jazz Shaw is a moderate on social issues. Fine. But can Jazz please explain this comment:

“But a quick look at his issues page reveals a candidate who might not exactly fit in at a Club for Growth meeting. Christie is very quick to point out that he is “pro-life” but then goes on to dissemble about the need to “reduce the number” of abortions and nibble around the edges with talk of parental notification. In fact, aside from using the pro-life buzz phrase, his position is barely discernible from that of Hillary Clinton during her failed presidential bid.”

I don’t understand this quote or what you are implying by it. That CFG people are social conservatives? Or that they are social moderates? I don’t think CFG is not about social issues at all. Does Jazz know something I don’t?

]]> By: John "birther" Samford http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-lessons-of-election-09/#comment-437816 John "birther" Samford Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:17:02 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=71087#comment-437816 Nobody that counts has forgotten anything; "It's the economy, stupid!" It was the Market drop in October of '08 that elected the Usurper. Not that he didn't run a good campaign but if the market doesn't tank, it was another Supreme Court election. It's not like nobody misses the FACT that the Economy started it's downward slide AFTER the Dems took over Congress in '07. The dems are trying to pin that tail on the Bush donkey, but that won't fool anybody new. Congress has the power of the purse, they are responsible for the economy. Which is why Congress will flip if the economy doesn't improve dramatically over the next 10 months. I personally think we will start the other side of the 'W' in January. A disappointing Christmas will finish off those retailers that have been barely holding on, waiting and hoping a good X-mas will buy them so more time. 2010 will be a watershed year in American history. Like 1774, 1860 and 1941. Nobody that counts has forgotten anything;
“It’s the economy, stupid!”
It was the Market drop in October of ’08 that elected the Usurper. Not that he didn’t run a good campaign but if the market doesn’t tank, it was another Supreme Court election.
It’s not like nobody misses the FACT that the Economy started it’s downward slide AFTER the Dems took over Congress in ’07. The dems are trying to pin that tail on the Bush donkey, but that won’t fool anybody new. Congress has the power of the purse, they are responsible for the economy. Which is why Congress will flip if the economy doesn’t improve dramatically over the next 10 months.
I personally think we will start the other side of the ‘W’ in January. A disappointing Christmas will finish off those retailers that have been barely holding on, waiting and hoping a good X-mas will buy them so more time.
2010 will be a watershed year in American history. Like 1774, 1860 and 1941.

]]> By: ETAB http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-lessons-of-election-09/#comment-437714 ETAB Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:59:10 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=71087#comment-437714 Here's a comment on Obama, from Glenn Reynolds: http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/04/lessons-from-election-night/ "As president, he seems confused and a bit distant on the issues, leaving the details to congressional Democrats and an ever-growing number of “czars” while he golfs and launches attacks at Rush Limbaugh and Fox News." Notice this - Obama delegates everything; he himself isn't involved in policies.He isn't involved in developing, analyzing or even explaining them. He's not interested in America's wellbeing or in Americans. All he is, is a campaigner for Himself. And, "With the economy tanking (unemployment is much worse after Obama’s deficit-swelling stimulus than Obama’s advisers predicted it would be with no stimulus at all), with the promised post-partisanship dissolving into witch-hunts against hostile media and the promised post-racial America devolving into the awkwardly staged “beer summit,” with the “necessary war” in Afghanistan the subject of endless dithering and the promised “smart diplomacy” materializing as a series of awkward missteps by Hillary Clinton, the froth has become a lot less frothy." Right. Obama can't handle criticism, so, he'll devote himself to attacks against FOX news. He hasn't a clue about the foreign affairs realities, and so, stumbles along with the policies of his radical leftists. These people support Chavez and reject the Honduran constitution; these people enable Iran to develop nuclear weapons..and..they've renamed the War on Terror to 'overseas contingency operations' (which removes any notion of who the bad guys are)... Here’s a comment on Obama, from Glenn Reynolds:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/04/lessons-from-election-night/

“As president, he seems confused and a bit distant on the issues, leaving the details to congressional Democrats and an ever-growing number of “czars” while he golfs and launches attacks at Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.”

Notice this – Obama delegates everything; he himself isn’t involved in policies.He isn’t involved in developing, analyzing or even explaining them. He’s not interested in America’s wellbeing or in Americans. All he is, is a campaigner for Himself.

And, “With the economy tanking (unemployment is much worse after Obama’s deficit-swelling stimulus than Obama’s advisers predicted it would be with no stimulus at all), with the promised post-partisanship dissolving into witch-hunts against hostile media and the promised post-racial America devolving into the awkwardly staged “beer summit,” with the “necessary war” in Afghanistan the subject of endless dithering and the promised “smart diplomacy” materializing as a series of awkward missteps by Hillary Clinton, the froth has become a lot less frothy.”

Right. Obama can’t handle criticism, so, he’ll devote himself to attacks against FOX news. He hasn’t a clue about the foreign affairs realities, and so, stumbles along with the policies of his radical leftists. These people support Chavez and reject the Honduran constitution; these people enable Iran to develop nuclear weapons..and..they’ve renamed the War on Terror to ‘overseas contingency operations’ (which removes any notion of who the bad guys are)…

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