The Jihad in France
Midi-Pyrénées, the region in southwestern France stretching from Massif Central — the dark, wooded mountains of Auvergne, Rouergue, and Quercy — to the spacious Toulouse Valley and the Pyrenean cordillera on the Spanish border, was, since March 19, under “scarlet” alert: the closest France comes to martial law.
The army and police patrolled the entire area. Vehicles were subject to inspection at will. Police could half traffic without prior warning. Schools, shops, offices, and factories could be shut down by order and citizens required to stay home. Twenty-five sharpshooters from Raid had been dispatched from Paris. And naturally, telephone and internet connections were extensively monitored. No small matter considering that Greater Toulouse, the region’s capital and the seat of Airbus and other major industrial companies, is France’s fourth largest city with over one million inhabitants. In fact, this was the first time since the introduction in 1995 of Vigipirate, the French equivalent of Homeland Security, that France resorted to such drastic measures.
A chilling succession of killings in Toulouse and Montauban, an important military center one hundred miles away, triggered the “scarlet” alert.
The killing spree began on March 11, when a NCO of Maghrebine descent from the Montauban-based 17th Paratroopers Engineer Regiment, was drawn into a trap and shot in Toulouse. According to one witness, the attacker dressed as a motorbiker. Then, on March 15, three soldiers from the same unit — two Maghrebines and one Caribbean — were shot in Montauban while stopped at an ATM. The aggressor rode a motorbike and wore a leather outfit and opaque helmet. And finally, on March 19, another biker in full motorcylce gear — or possibly the same one — attacked the Jewish Ozar Hatora school complex in Toulouse. He first randomly fired at the parents, children, and teachers in the school’s courtyard before stepping down from his bike to kill four people in cold blood: 30 year-old religion teacher Jonathan Sandler, his sons Aryeh and Gabriel (5 and 4), and a 7-year-old girl, Myriam Monsenego, whom he grabbed by the hair to lodge a bullet in her head. He then jumped back on his bike and vanished from the massacre.
The good news is that there are only a few hundred thousand guys like this still in France, so the problem is well contained.
Nothing a dose of Hope&Change! won’t cure.
Isn’t multiculturism great? We import millions of people who neither love nor appreciate freedom and the accomplishments of free societies and JudeoChristianity.
Most native Europeans don’t appreciate them either; they have been brainwashed by years of Communist propaganda.
What is most scary is that in 15-20 years, when France becomes an Islamic state, the Jihadis will have France’s vast nuclear arsenal and its missiles at its disposal.
What chance does Israel have then, even if she thwarts Iran?
hmm you read too many bad novels
“It’s (Jihad) by no means a branch of Islam. It is instead an entirely different entity. In no way do I suggest it is a part of Islam.” July 4, 2009.” “Islam is not an inherently violent faith” December 9, 2011. Quoting The Honorable Mitt Romney. God help us. Is he really saying anything different than the George Bush, John McCain or Barack H. Obama have said on this topic?
I hope what he is thinking and specially what he will be thinking in 10 months is not what he was saying. Anyway let us sugggest him to do what Jefferson did: read the Koran. After reading it Jefferson stopped negociations with the Mediterranean Muslim pirate states and sent the US Navy and Marines instead.
If there is war with Iran, what do the French think all those “peaceful” Muslims are going to do?
Iran is Persian, not Muslim. Very important difference. You are committing the “amalgamation” that was warned against”
I think you mean Persian not ARAB… Iran IS Muslim led by Mullahs and calling for the death of Israel.
So, Muslim Persians are less worrisome than Muslim Arabs?
I beg to differ. The Saudis are only behaving like the extortion and ransom-loving pirates and highwaymen they’ve been for centuries. The Persians are trying to recover their ancient, imperial clout that Alexander stole from them.
Saudis don’t need nukes to extort: they have oil.
Which one frightens you more, now?
excuse me but Persians or Iranians are not Arabs but they are Muslims and have been for a very long time. while most but not all Arabs are Sunni Muslims and most Persians are Shia Muslims that is mearly a internal difference over who should be running Islam those descended from Mohammad or those appointed from among his followers but one group is fully as Muslim as the other.
you should rather be worried by what your Saudi allies are plotting around the world, they who are subsidying the Salafists and jihadist movements
France, Spain, Italy, Holland, Denmark. They’ll all go Islamic by 2020. When it happens, it’s gonna happen quick. Germany and Switzerland may hold out for another decade or so once the other “powers” go. As someone already pointed out, when they get France’s nukes, the rest of western Europe will collapse.
We’ll see how the Poles and “eurpean” or ethnic russki’s do too…
Just a question of time.
Keith P. says:
That’s a pretty confident statement. He sounds like he knows a lot. Just to be sure, I decided to check the CIA World Factbook. According to the CIA, Denmark is 2% Muslim today.
So if Islam is the religion of 1 in 50 Danes today, in 2012, I’m assuming that Keith is saying that Islam will be the religion of at least 26 in 50 Danes in less than eight years.
How is that supposed to come about, Keith P.? Is there a secret plot? Have you alerted the Danish government and its NATO allies?
Why the snark?
Those countries will be effectively Islamic states with defacto Sharia law by 2020. Will 56% be practicing Moslems? Probably not but not relevant if the current crop of weak willed Euro’s are over thrown by Islamics who are afraid to use violence to intimidate.
Who cares what the CIA has to say. As a reliable predictor of future events, you are as likely to get an accurate assessment from me (as you point out) as you are from the CIA.
funny, the only countries that accept sharia laws for their communities are the Anglo-Saxons’, but you forgot to notice it
Tell me then, what about the Islamic No Go Zones in Paris and Marseille slums? Do you truly believe Sharia law is not THE defacto law there right now?
Perhaps you forgot to…. as you say “note it”, non?
no, it’s Chicago law
You are not serisouly suggesting that the current conditions in the islamic slums of the large metro’s of France are analogous to the days of gangster run Chicago of the 1930′s?
As a home towm boy from Chicago, I can tell you that Al Capone’s Chicago didn’t “keep out” police and federal authorities. Or, if they tried, they’d paid a fairly stiff price for messing with the law.
then you only watch old Hollywood movies, and do not read today papers
Are we really surprised that this happened in France? Isn’t this the same country whose foreign minister called Israel “s-itty little country”? France has never faced up to the vicious anti-semitism of both its Vichy past and its Islamist ghettoes of the present.I wonder how long it’ll take for a lefty to say that this gunman’s “root cause” was the Israel-Palestine conflict;that the Jews are to blame for anti-semitism. When will people wake up to the fact their “root cause” is a misogynistic,anti-semitic,anti-western and murderous ideology?
I hope that aliyah is fast-forwarded for French Jews who want to get out of that sick place.
your clichés are opportunists
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/5465_13.htm
The real tragedy would be if the murders of a rabbi and his children were to diminish the enthusiasm of the French for the vibrant diversity that every Frenchman enjoys from the policy of allowing millions of Muslims to reside their country.
The extraordinary accomplishments of Muslims living in France, as well as their signal contributions to contemporary French culture and civic order, are well known and require no enumeration.
The “real tragedy?” Gee, so the cold-blooded (and boy, how cold do you have to be to grab a 7-year old girl by the hair and put a bullet into her brain?) murder of innocents is incidental to you, superseded by the ultimate, politically-correct need to continue – at all costs – to worship at the altar of multi-culturalism. The moral bankruptcy of such a view is staggering, and truly tragic.
You obviously missed the satire here. One cluebat, coming up in 3… 2…
Here’s a cluebat courtesy of PJMedia’s Ed Driscoll.
Anonymous
The real tragedy would be if the murders of a rabbi and his children were to diminish the enthusiasm of the French for the vibrant diversity that every Frenchman enjoys from the policy of allowing millions of Muslims to reside their country.
The extraordinary accomplishments of Muslims living in France, as well as their signal contributions to contemporary French culture and civic order, are well known and require no enumeration.
Citation please: all I have heard about french muslims his how often they rape women not wearing burkhas and their penchant for burning cars.
Sarcasm or stupidity. There is at least one tag missing. [/Lighthearted seriousness]
this muslim immigration was largely advocated by the French Jewish establisment too, who hasn’t to live in suburbs, but in nice Paris quaters. Besides, a half of our Jewish community come from Maghreb, where it used to live with Muslims, and they who supported FLN revendications too
I hate to have to spank you here Marie; but, the current French love affair with the Moslems started after the 1967 Israeli war when Charles DeGaule decided to switch sides and aid the Arabs instead of the the Jews. (He also made it possible for the North African Moslems to colonize France.) This was after Israeli scientists aided the French in obtaining the Atomic bomb. It left Israel, which was dependent on French armament, stranded without parts for its French tanks and aircraft. Not only that, the French seized Israeli warships which were bought and paid for. This was true to the Vichy Code which is switch sides whenever you have the whim to. They too aided the Nazis, rounded up Jews for the gas chambers etc. The French haven’t changed since the days of the Dreyfus affair. they deserve to be in bed with the Moslems.
hey Oscar, forget what your orthodoxes tought you as History facts
It wasn’t the Israeli Scientists that helped the French for getting the atomic bomb, but the US. Some even say that that was Eisenhower, who allowed France to get it because of the aborted Suez campain through a Brit help. Indeed, I saw a few pics about tests in Sahara before the end of Algeria war.
“The United States secretly helped France develop advanced nuclear weapons in the 1970s as part of a bid by the Nixon administration to sow divisions in Europe, declassified US documents showed.”
http://www.defencetalk.com/us-secretly-helped-french-nuclear-program-34496/#ixzz1prnEZ5HO
Remember, a French scientist discovered “Radio-activity”, researches never stopped, while not being “official”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel
De Gaulle give his explanation of his political move:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3putt_de-gaulle-sur-israel_news
We couldn’t stop relations with Maghreb for the only sake of pleasing Israel, whose population wasn’t/isn’t big enough for our markets (sorry businesses are businesses, tell me if Israel only sells goods to friends ?)
“This was true to the Vichy Code which is switch sides whenever you have the whim to. They too aided the Nazis, rounded up Jews for the gas chambers etc. The French haven’t changed since the days of the Dreyfus affair. they deserve to be in bed with the Moslems”
Spare me your remnent refrain about Vichy, France is the only occupied country by the Nazis where the biggest percentage of Jews survived (70% to 75%, while elsewhere only 5% did).
you aren’t getting wiser while getting older, in any case you aren’t helping your people in demonising one of your oldest allie, who, I recall you gave french citizenship to the Jews the first in the world (1792), where Napoleon enrolled them in army and administrations, whereas elsewhere they remained parias !
hey mon petit Oscar, forget what your orthodoxes tought you as History facts
It wasn’t the Israeli Scientists that helped the French for getting the atomic bomb, but the US. Some even say that that was Eisenhower, who allowed France to get it because of the aborted Suez campain through a Brit help. Indeed, I saw a few pics about tests in Sahara before the end of Algeria war.
“The United States secretly helped France develop advanced nuclear weapons in the 1970s as part of a bid by the Nixon administration to sow divisions in Europe, declassified US documents showed.”
http://www.defencetalk.com/us-secretly-helped-french-nuclear-program-34496/#ixzz1prnEZ5HO
Remember, a French scientist discovered “Radio-activity”, researches never stopped, while not being “official”
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel
De Gaulle give his explanation of his political move:
-http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3putt_de-gaulle-sur-israel_news
We couldn’t stop relations with Maghreb for the only sake of pleasing Israel, whose population wasn’t/isn’t big enough for our markets (sorry businesses are businesses, tell me if Israel only sells goods to friends ?)
“This was true to the Vichy Code which is switch sides whenever you have the whim to. They too aided the Nazis, rounded up Jews for the gas chambers etc. The French haven’t changed since the days of the Dreyfus affair. they deserve to be in bed with the Moslems”
Spare me your remnent refrain about Vichy, France is the only occupied country by the Nazis where the biggest percentage of Jews survived (70% to 75%, while elsewhere only 5% did).
you aren’t getting wiser while getting older, in any case you aren’t helping your people in demonising one of your oldest allie, who, I recall you gave french citizenship to the Jews the first in the world (1792), where Napoleon enrolled them in army and administrations, whereas elsewhere they remained parias !
Marie Claude
While I am no admirer of France’s behavior in the past century or so, I appreciate your intelligent, factual responses. Keep it up, it will help sharpen the comments of others who are often too sloppy with their statements.
I agree with Oscar about the perfidy of DeGaulle. It is a shame that he is the pre-eminent politician of 20th century France. With such a glorious history, the French can do better.
pff
that’s why Israel still allocate to French Justs each year, even to gendarmes families
Its hard to be happy when you see “your” children gunned down or when your enemy can lie with impunity and get away with it. “Gaza two children killed by the IDF” The research showed later that one was killed in a car accident, yes they have cars in Gaza. The other child was killed by a bullet that came down when people were shooting their guns in the air during a funeral. France has been especially bad at harboring the types that systematically lie and spread their poison as truth. As I said earlier, France is a nation colonized by Moslems. The Vichy Code still exists.
oscar
Today a teacher has been fired out with “fracas”, she wanted that her class make a minut of silence for the death of Merah, the kids (most likely teens) protested and got out the class, and called their parents, who protested at the academia direction, the Inspetor of the academia cam illico presto to fire out the teacher.
So, it gives you a idea of the atmosphere, the population has enough of the lefty empathy with the muslims terrorism
Your time scheme of France with the atomic bomb and Eisenhower don’t mix. Your atomic bomb was developed after Eisenhower was in office. Whether you want to admit it or not Jewish scientists were involve in its development. If you choose not to call them Israeli, that’s up to you. Israel coincidentally had its first nukes when France had her’s. Since its consensus that Israel has nukes, when and where were they ever tested?
The French threw the Jews out of France twice before. There was a small Jewish country in the south of France that was invaded by your knights. Its population was slaughtered.
tu fais chier !
I didn’t say that there wasn’t a collaboration between Israel and France for the nuclear program, but in the first place France was allowed to get it by the US, while a Israeli agent stole the plans from the US
“The French threw the Jews out of France twice before. There was a small Jewish country in the south of France that was invaded by your knights. Its population was slaughtered.”
Really? I thought that Pogroms were more of the eastern tribes !
hey, don’t forget the Romans, they who burnt Jerusalem !
oh BTW Herode killed all the males children in the era too, when the French were still drawing in their caverns !
Yes Marie there was a Jewish country in the South of France and it was wiped out by the good Catholic knights, the same ones who slaughtered the Cathards. Twice after that the Jews were thrown out of France.
As for the Jews stealing the plans for the atomic bomb. That weapon was created by Jewish minds, read up on the Manhattan Project. Why steal something you created? What is in your head doesn’t need to be stolen.
The only reason there was a 70% survival rate in France was because of the French Protestant community which went out of its way to save Jews. That fact is well documented.
Your blaming the Jews for Moslems being in your country is again blaming the victim. It is in fact a form of blood libel. Enjoy your Moslem neighbors, you so richly deserve them.
ah the protestants, sure they are so numerous in France, less than 2% !
“France was one of the countries controlled by the Germans at the early stages of war, but it had a high level of democratic tradition of Liberte, Fraternity and Egalite. In France about 75000 Jews perished out of a population of 350,000, about 70% survived. Many factors contributed to the relatively high survival rate, the most important factor was the attitude of the silent majority, who made it difficult of the Germans to identify and catch the Jews. Even the local police cooperated only reluctantly with the Germans, Jews were provided with false identification papers, given shelter and moral support. Jews also participated massively in the resistance and at the beginning stages about 33% of the resistance fighters were Jewish.”
http://kimel.net/france.html
uh and for the Languedoc Jews during the Cathars crusade, the Jews weren’t killed, like the Albigeois, besides, you can’t inflict me all the kings of France policies on the back, and I’m Briton, not even French at the era
“Your blaming the Jews for Moslems being in your country is again blaming the victim. It is in fact a form of blood libel. Enjoy your Moslem neighbors, you so richly deserve them.”
No, I just said that they were part of the french elite that allowed immigration from Maghreb
But, thank you for your empathy, we know that you like us so much that you forged us a legend of the worst people on the planet since De Gaulle reverse policy
and Oscar:
“The report shows that German foreign ministry diplomats in Nazi-occupied Paris and throughout Europe played an active role in deciding whether Jews should be deported and sent to the gas chambers.
“If the French Resistance killed German soldiers, it was the diplomats who immediately deliberated whether to deport a thousand or 2,000 Jews to the extermination camps as a punishment,” Mr Conze (a historian) said.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-foreign-ministry-helped-nazis-flee-country-after-the-war-had-ended-2116414.html
I only know that when the Germans asked the French to hand over the adult Jews of Paris, the “reluctant” French insisted they take the children too. The last part that you quoted about the French diplomats offering their Jews as punishment for what the resistance did only confirms what I was saying. Overall Jews fared better in Protestant lands than in Catholic lands. The Pope was well aware of the extermination camps and did nothing. 2000 years of hate can’t be changed overnight. 30 years ago a priest apologized to me for what he did when he was younger. I asked “why?” He explained to me that it was church policy to treat Jews badly.
this comment 22, 2012 – 8:28 pm
should have gone down
“The last part that you quoted about the French diplomats offering their Jews as punishment for what the resistance did only confirms what I was saying.”
you didn’t read the article : it was the Nazy diplomats in position in France
I find you particularly bigot and of bad faith, not the Oscar I used to know, you’re becoming a old schmok
The real tragedy would be if the murders of a rabbi and his children were to diminish the enthusiasm of the French for the vibrant diversity that every Frenchman enjoys from the policy of allowing millions of Muslims to reside in their country.
The extraordinary accomplishments of Muslims living in France, as well as their signal contributions to contemporary French culture and civic order, are well known and require no enumeration.
“the real tragedy…” Wanton mayhem and indiscriminate murder are not the real tragedy? Maybe I need to read the story again. I missed something.
We’ve just seen one of their “extraordinary accomplishments.”
I’m sure there are many both in France and the United States who will study this atrocity closely, and then blame George W. Bush.
They are already rounding up the usual suspects – “far right nationalists”.
http://tinyurl.com/6rnx3on
But they will still vote for a leftisi!
There’s no problem here that a concealed carry law would not have addressed at the very first incident.
Indeed the far right presidential candidate Marine Le Pen has already said “It is time to wage war on these fundamentalist political religious groups who are killing our children,” Le Pen said on TV news channel i)tele.
“The fundamentalist threat has been underestimated.” There’s a winning strategy! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
“The so called BDS campaign (anti-Israel boycott), while illegal, gains ground and grows more violent. It is not uncommon for BDS activists to “occupy” stores that sell Israeli products or bookshops that sell pro-Israel literature and to dump or damage the items, a practice reminiscent of the SA, anti-Jewish boycott in the 1930s.”
It begins again. First the Muslims come for the Jews, then they will begin to terrorize everybody else. This could be the beginning of a Muslim revolution in France. The French have been fearing this for years and have always had to deal with major riots in Muslim sections of France. The riots keep going on, but now they may be expanding their activities into outright terrorism and killing of Jews. If the French police don’t crush these people now, Muslim attacks will only increase and grow more violent in the days to come. All of Europe should not only condemn these murders, but assist France in any way possible in stopping them.
By the way, will all of the Europeans actually say that the murder of these Jews was a HATE CRIME, and will they prosecute the murderer and his cohorts with as much vigor and ruthlessness as if the victims were Muslims rather than Jews? This is a major moment in France right now, to see how good and how impartial their legal system is. Another major difference. If the four dead people were Muslims instead of Jews, you would be seeing major riots, burning cars, burning tires, broken shop windows, and attacks on riot police from other Muslim “youths.” But with four dead Jews, I’m not seeing any major protests, let alone riots. Interesting how that always works out. Note to the remaining Jews in France and Europe: Don’t let it happen to you AGAIN.
Give a Muslim a gun and he shoots children, give him a nuke and….
For the record, 11.43mm is how Europeans describe the US .45 ACP cartridge. Norwegian .45s were labeled with this, and French ammo boxes I have seen are labeled this way (the .1911 45 and SMGs in this caliber were issued by the Free French and for a time after the war) . The other possible WWII .45 is the .455 Webley, but that’s usually rendered as 11.5mm.
So most likely the guy had a GI .45, somewhat possible he had a Thompson or Grease Gun, but unlikely because he doesn’t seem to have missed a lot.
This is less unusual than you might think. Even after 60 years, a great many WWII weapons are still loose in the criminal underground in Europe and the Middle East. Wars end but the guns last basically forever.
Mohammed Merah is suspected of killing seven people in eight days, including three Jewish children.
I get the impression it’s a little beyond suspected, based on exchanges Merah has reportedly had with the French police surrounding his bldg. Something about who was next on his list this very day.
And confusion as to whether or not the Afghans released him to the French or to the Americans and who exactly is responsible for putting him on a plane back to France.
Sorry that the French don’t have the death penalty.
“Sorry that the French don’t have the death penalty.”
They do. Pointing a gun at the police is often punished by death in France.
Killing little girls, OTOH, isn’t punished by death, so this guy might survive…unless he keeps pointing guns at the cops.
In this way, the French are much like New Yorkers, uncivilized barbarians.
not in a court !
but often the police and or the army are prompt to solve their deal themselves
Though as this case is relyied to a more global jihadism net, the authorities would prefer to get him alive, so that they learn more of his connections.
At the moment I am hearing on TV that a assault isn’t exclude
I represent that remark
I resemble that remark
Umm….
I resent that remark!!
- Conservative New Yawker (aka uncivilized barbarian)
Sorry.
No offense to normal folks that happen to live in New York or France.
But, that whole “we can’t put people to death just for murdering little girls, but we can shoot people who threaten government agents” thing really puts me off.
Guys,let’s blame Islamist ideology. Let’s not forget what one of our soldiers did a week ago. How would you like it if people said that Americans were child-killers? Blaming this on Islam is stupid..
Islamist ideology has its foundation in the Medina section of the Koran. Derivatives of the Koran, stories about Mohammed’s life, are also held sacred by true Muslims; many of these stories have been codified by agreed-to Muslim religious authorities for more than a 1000 years.
These texts urge subjugation or death to non-Muslims if the non-Muslim does not convert to Islam. The most deadly proponents of this approach are the Salafists, jihadists, and other active Muslim fanatics.
The non-activist Muslims, either from fear or favor, contribute money, shelter, and silence to the terrorizing Islamists. Where and when have we seen large-scale (or small-scale) protests, by Muslims in America, against the continuing atrocities perpetrated by Muslim terrorists around the world and in the USA? The Islamists’ fellow-travelers, non-Muslims though they may be, are the dastards and quislings among us.
We non-Muslims, ignorant, apathetic, distracted, will be quite surprised when we or our children are blithely maimed and murdered by the pestilential perverts we have permitted to proliferate among us.
The road to our Hell is paved by our well(and ill)-intentioned politically correct, cultural equivalenters. You know who you are.
Islamic proclivities for homophobia, misogyny, slavery, attitudes of anti-Christian, anti-Jew, anti-Buddhist, anti-Animist, anti-Atheist, anti-Other — are accepted by these fools and dastards.
I’ve seen a number of Muslim organizations and individual Muslims condemn terrorism. When the 26/11 attacks took place in Mumbai(India), I remember that even the ultra-conservative Deobandis marched out against the terrorists and refused to bury their dead bodies in Muslim cemeteries.If you’re talking about quasi-Islamist organizations like CAIR, then you are right. They can’t make a single whole-hearted condemnation without linking the “root cause” to Israel or America- but the reason that they can get away with this is that we have a Chomskyite left that thinks like Jeremiah Wright and legitimizes every Islamist grievance, real and imagined.
I’ve actually found that conservative Muslims are more likely to understand the nuances of scripture and thereby condemn terrorism whereas Islamism is an explicitly political project espoused by radicals who are convinced that their ideology will bring Heaven on Earth, just like Nazis and Communists.I came across a recent poll which showed that children schooled in madrassas were less likely to condone suicide bombings than those who weren’t,in Pakistan. Conservative muslims may not like America since they resent American cultural influence undermining traditional society but they are still compassionate and won’t excuse terrorism.
Thank you for your additional comments.
The problem is that “conservative” or “moderate” Muslims must deal with the hateful, deadly comments of the Koran, ahadith, and sharia if they are to be considered Muslims and not apostates. These urgings violent actions against non-Muslim others or to less-than-orthodox Muslims are inherent in those sacred texts for all time. Mohammed is held by the orthodox to be the supreme human being whose actions are to be emulated by all true Muslims.
This viewpoint is supported by all the major Islamic religious traditions.
To be less than adherent to the sacred texts and their authorized interpreters is to open oneself to the penalty of endless torture AFTER death of the body.
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I hope you’re joking when you say blaming this on Islam is stupid. The actions of this man are precisely the actions of Mohamed and what he called his followers to do in his name. But don’t blame it on that ideology. Right! If a person is a Muslim this is what he believes in.
If someone says he is a Muslim but he doesn’t believe in violence such as this there is no reason to believe him because violence is the very soul of Islam. If someone claims to be a Muslim who wants no part of this violence he should be prepared to answer this question: “Then why are you still Muslim?”
Judah Maccabee is (rightly) considered a hero by Jewish people because of his revolt against the Seleucids. Didn’t he take part in violent acts against Greeks? If you believe Judah is a hero, it doesn’t necessarily mean you hate Hellenistic culture as a whole. In the same manner, many Muslims understand the Medina part of Mohammed’s life as a victory of an underdog against the bigwigs. For an outsider, it looks as if he is exhorting the killing of Jews while many people who interpret scripture understand it to be confined to a specific place and time.
The Islamists say that no one is a true Muslim except them. If you really believe that, you are giving credence to their beliefs. In France, Muslims outnumber Jews by atleast 10 to 1. If the problem is Islam, then there must be an incident like this every other day.
With your logic it was stupid to blame Auschwitz on Nazism. Have you read the Koran? No? Then how do you know that Islam is not to be blamed?
EUs foreign policy chief justifies Toulouse murders
Ashton did not distinguish between a deliberate terror attack against Jewish children and those children in Gaza who are accidentally killed in IAF air strikes, due to the fact that Gaza terrorists deliberately fire rockets at Israeli children from populated areas and use civilians as human shields – and despite the fact that the IDF makes herculean efforts to pinpoint terrorist targets as no other army in the world does
How can this be??? A representative of the worlds’ great peaceful religion? There must be some mistake. We must await the incisive analysis of the NY Times. And Michael Bloomberg. It’s the Nazis. Or rabid rightwing extremists. You know, the racist, homophobe, misogynist underground right wing conspirancy. Let us see how CNN, the Wash Post, and the rest of the MSM spin this. If you are too stupid to recognize your mortal enemies, you deserve to die. QED.
Always wondered at how the apocolyptic prediction that all nations would someday be at war with Israel could come true. But now I see how. Muslimification.
Stop calling the murders killings…
time to use the english language better…
“part the torturing and killing of Ilan Halimi in 2006 and the Toulouse massacre today.”
should read…
“part the torturing and MURDER of Ilan Halimi in 2006 and the Toulouse massacre today.’
“Mohammed Merah is suspected of killing seven people in eight days, including three Jewish children”
again it should read
“Mohammed Merah is suspected of murdering seven people in eight days, including three Jewish children”
Time to use the correct term…
Amen; lock and load.
Cris,
The difference is that when an American murders, it is widely condemned, while this s***bag will have his visage plastered over walls in many islamic countries. His actions are also COMMON-see Israel, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Muslims care when their own are slaughtered, not so much when it’s the other way around. Get educated. Muslims today practice a form of cultural cancer.
“Sarkozy warned against “amalgamating” the “peaceful and law abiding Muslim community” with jihadists and other radicals, or “calling for retribution.” Many other candidates, or national leaders, said the same.
Such attitudes displease French Jews. For one thing, they know that if all Muslims are not jihadists, jihadism and other extremist movements still spread among French Muslims, especially the younger, French-born, generation. Conversely, they believe that their own global image and condition have steadily deteriorated for years and that this explains at least in part the torturing and killing of Ilan Halimi in 2006 and the Toulouse massacre today.”
displeased the French Jews? not what I heard, in the contrary, Sarkozy managed that the different communities didn’t go at each other throat !
Moderate Muslims are also the target of islamists, Check Belmont Club, Wretchard has a better explanation of the stakes !
hmm Ilian Halimi was murdered by a Ivorian theaft, that had no religion jihad agenda, but only that in his immature African mind, he thought that the Jews were all rich
“Sarkozy warned against “amalgamating” the “peaceful and law abiding Muslim community” with jihadists and other radicals, or “calling for retribution.” Many other candidates, or national leaders, said the same.
“street violence against Jews is increasing, and is largely perpetrated by Muslim thugs”
not only the Jews, French people too, and now the moderate muslims too, see the Arras Mosquee killing of the late week by a radical Muslim
“The so called BDS campaign (anti-Israel boycott), while illegal, gains ground and grows more violent. It is not uncommon for BDS activists to “occupy” stores that sell Israeli products or bookshops that sell pro-Israel literature and to dump or damage the items, a practice reminiscent of the SA, anti-Jewish boycott in the 1930s. One hears “Death to Jews” mottos frequently in Muslim-populated areas. Such cries sounded last month in Champigny, near Paris, upon the release of a comedy about Sefardi Jews, La Vérité si je mens 3.”
yet, it happened how many times? a couple of years ago in a supermarket in Paris suburb, where not only local immigrants were manifesting, but also “lefty” french Jews !
Death mottos are also thrown at French people too, just listen to the “rap” songs !
“French radio and TV indulge routinely in Israel-bashing and even, more recently, Jew-bashing programs; a laxity encouraged, French Jews surmise, by the rampant anti-Zionism of many government agencies and initiatives (like granting sovereign state status to the Palestinian Authority at UNESCO). Last but not least, Prime Minister François Fillon crossed a red line three weeks ago when he bluntly decried both hallal and kosher slaughtering as irrational “ancestral customs” and President Sarkozy failed to reassure when he advocated “voluntary tagging” for ritually slaughtered food.”
“Israel Bashing”, Quote one !!!!
it’s not in Informations programs, but in individual opinions !!!!
Anyway, the UN, UNESCO policies aren’t french initiated, but yours, in the US !!!
oh and quoting Halal and Kosher together is quite a antinomy for a person of your accabit !
BTW, the slaughtering of animals in such practices have been the topic of the EU parliament lately. And sure that there are some shades by the merchands on labelling their products !
And yes, I too support a more soft practice of slaughtering animals, they deserve our respect, for nourishing us ! At least the Indians knew that: they thank and make escuse to the animal for being slaughtered for our own sake !
It’s simply dishonest to separate Islam from Jihadist ideas. It doesn’t matter if “the majority of Muslims are peaceful,” etc., as is repeated by rote after each of these events. You are not talking about a small, insignificant fringe group within a wider religion. You are instead talking about a significant percentage. It is also the main dynamic force within the Islamic religion. It’s not as if the Jihadists are seriously challenged within the Muslim polity. It is meaningless to claim that, say, 80 percent of Muslims are not Jihadists if the rest of Muslim society does nothing to stand against them, if mosques are routinely taken over by Jihadists and the supposed moderates do nothing and say nothing to combat the Jihadists. And if the Jihadists comprise, say, 20 percent of Muslims, another significant percentage sympathize with them and rationalize their conduct. At that point the knee jerk claims of a supposed peaceful Muslim majority ring false. It is hardly a peaceful majority if it is always silent and inert regarding the atrocities that are committed in Islam’s name. And to be frank, something about the Muslim faith has allowed extremism to flourish and endure. How many thousands of these type of incidents have to occur before we stop thoughtlessly uttering the useless cliche that Islam is allegedly not the problem? Obviously something about Islam is the problem, and it’s delusional to claim otherwise.
Mohammed Merh,
The killer of a 6 yr old jewish girl,shot her in the head.
Murderous muslim swine,scum of the earth.
Long Live ISRAEL!!!
sweat Angel victim of Monster
incomprehensible.
What do you expect from a country that has coddled socialism and multi-cultural “values”? France is screwed unless they pull their heads out of their asses and start embracing reason.
multicultural values? hmm do you include the Jews into them?
so sorry, we are rather a centralised country that doesn’t acknowledge multicultures, but one republican, but your country is a multiculti nation, where sharia laws are accepted for the muslims
Long live Israel.
I hope this murderer is not taken alive.
Just a clarification on this statement:
“Little doubt remains, however, that his systematic murders of French soldiers (especially Muslim French soldiers, seen as renegades) and Jews (including children) fit with jihadist and al-Qaeda ideology, strategy, and tactics.”
Of the four French paratroopers that were shot, three were killed, one remains critical. Two of the dead were Muslim. One, Corporal Abel Chennouf was a practicing Catholic. scroll comments at midilibre.fr – (use google translate). A third paratrooper, 28-year-old Corporal Loic Liber was from the French overseas region of Guadeloupe (of Afro-Caribbean descent), remains in a coma. He was found shot in the head, his motorcycle beside him.
Also of note, Toulouse appears on the list of 751 Zones urbaines sensibles (aka ZUS). Perhaps someone with familiarity of the particular neighborhood/residence blocks will be able to confirm.
No no no you got it all wrong he’s a WHITE French Right Winger the Lame Stream EneMedia has told us so for days now. He’s a Neo NAZI too and they’re Right Wing aren’t they NAZI as in the National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party ………oops so thats wrong too. How unlike the Media to get it COMPLETELY wrong as usual anyone would think they has a Left wing moonbat bias. LOL
At least the Lame Stream EneMedia know that Islam just like the NAZIS hates Western Democracies and JEWS.
Seems like the Palestinian minister Salam Fayyad is fed up with the “Palestinian” pseudo-excuse. He’s asked people to stop justifying terror in the name of Palestinian children. Fat luck, Salam. We have an extensive academia with “eminent” people like Chomsky and Mearsheimer, “experts” on Islam like John Esposito and a substantial portion of the left, who have spent their entire lives spinning this yarn. Think they’ll take back their words due to a know-nothing Zionist like you? Yeah. Get ready to be called a Zionist. “But, I have been a stauch anti-Zionist,” I hear you say. Doesn’t matter. You are exposing these pseudo-experts and you are also pro-Western. It seems like you’ve even asked Hamas to recognize Israel. Next thing you might say that the US is not a satanic,imperial power. It also seems like the patron queen of leftism in US- New York Review of Books, already don’t like you and have done a hit piece on you.
Watch and learn from your counterparts,Salam. The more outrageous and genocidal you are, the more you’ll be pitied and excused. If you say guff like “Strong Security, good governance and economic conditions are necessary for a Palestinian state”, any self-respecting NYRB author knows that you’re a stooge of the Western imperialists. You still have a chance to retract that statement,you know. Just sayin’.
Yes, I remember when the brillaint “News” people were speculating, even doing psycholigacal profiles, on the Washington DC sniper insisting that he was a white middle aged male. Of course it turned out that he was a black middle aged male Muslim with a black male Muslim teen aged accomplice.
Being Left means you are always wrong but you never have to admit it.
REgarding Marie claude at #24 above: Take her advice and check out what Richard Fernandez—aka Wretchard——has to say or compiles. He is uncannily good and there are a couple of Old Spooks at Belmont Club who can weigh in from time to time.
FWIW: Right after 9/11 that Wiley Old Soldier T. R. Fehrenbach penned a masterful column called “Ancient History Lives In Struggle For Soul Of Islam”.
He remains accurate more than a decade later. The real struggle is for which elements will define and control thae rather largish religion called Islam. Normal people or fanatical bandits. Our efforts must concentrate on being nice to the former and nasty to the latter or we wind up as collateral damage. And we ain’t got too much time in which to correct our errors. Bowing, both literally and figuratively to the rituals and demands of towelheadism just dig our grave the deeper. Assertiveness is our most pressing need. “Nuff said.
PS to MC: Ain’t no sech animul as “multiculteral”. Term is concoction of American left. Two cultures never occupy the same spot. When they try conflict results and a victor emerges. Where I come from, three cultures tried to hold the same turf. Hispanic, Commanche and Anglo Celt. The result is called Texas.
“Little doubt remains, however, that his systematic murders of French soldiers (especially Muslim French soldiers, seen as renegades) and Jews (including children) fit with jihadist and al-Qaeda ideology, strategy, and tactics.”
The ideology and tactics of Al-Quaida? C’mon!!!! This is Islam and it’s been going on for centuries; Mo’ wrote the blueprint for it.
“On the other hand, Sarkozy warned against “amalgamating” the “peaceful and law abiding Muslim community” with jihadists and other radicals, or “calling for retribution.” Many other candidates, or national leaders, said the same.”
Any Muslim that is serious about his/her chosen belief is, supportive of killing Jews/infidels because it is in the “cause” of Islam and is directed by Muhammed himself. These “national leaders” are afraid of Islam and the specter of a fabricated “Muslim backlash”; which is just a moronic and cowardly response to justify their fear. Islam is NOT a peaceful entity; it is not a faith or a religion; it is a counterfeit of a religion which embodies every evil yet somehow manages to deceive ordinary worthwhile people into thinking otherwise … war is deceit.
How many no-go zones does France have? This latest Jihadist atrocity probably will not involve serious punishment for the perpetrator. Again, Sarkozy and every other spineless French politician are afraid of the “backlash”; they’re cowing to Islam by submitting to Sharia blasphemy laws and the fear of Muslim “backlash”. There were enough enforcement personnel in Toulouse to field a small army …. one murdering b’tard sure can mobilize the French authorities; lest they are left embarrassed by their incompetence – how many years have they been monitoring the perpetrator????
You guessed it … I’m tired of PC politicians sacrificing our children to further their ambitions.
but, which country vetoed Burqa and Veils when you were condamning this law for the sake of “freedom of religion” and of clothing?
and half of our muslims aren’t practicing their religion, you know, they can’t resist to our laic way of appreciating the good life and food
http://culture.france2.fr/patrimoine/dossiers/principes-rites-et-pratiques-des-religions-14888357.html?page=23
just a matter of time before same situation here, given our dumb and blind polite tics on both sides of the aisle regarding the “religion of peace”. 30 hour stand off, 100 police v. one gunman? Would have thought the French would have surrendered much sooner than that.
povecon
“100 police v. one gunman? Would have thought the French would have surrendered much sooner than that.”
Nah! Union rules allow for 30hr standoffs for 1 gunman … quadruple pay and a mobile restaurant always on standby across the street!!! And uh … I forgot …
free goat’s cheese with folding chairs because standoffs may as well be sitoffs when unions are involved!!! Heh! But hey … union rules apply to the gunman too … 1hr for breakfast; 2hrs for lunch and 2 hrs for dinner turns a 30hr standoff into a 25hr sitoff toute suit! Takes a lot of organization to do sitoffs! Whew!
(povecon)