The Insane Myth of ‘Renewable’ Energy
“Renewable” electrical energy sources are not even remotely equivalent to conventional energy sources, and this is perhaps the most important reality of energy to understand.
Green lobbyists go to great lengths to disguise this. Everything they propagate is based on an “equivalency” between “renewables” and conventional power sources that does not exist in the real world. Even generally objective sources, like the Energy Information Administration (EIA), seriously err when they show levelized cost charts that have wind energy and nuclear power in contiguous columns.
The first problem encountered is the term “renewables.” This word is treated like it is a scientific definition and a homogeneous group of energy sources. This is lobbyist sleight of hand, as neither is true. The definition is very subjective, and there are extraordinary differences between various “renewables.” (See here and here.)
The next hurdle is getting our heads around the fundamental difference between a “renewable” like wind energy, and nuclear power. Let’s look at two types of transportation (a parallel energy sector), using concepts we are all familiar with.
Take a business that repeatedly needs to get 50,000 pounds of goods from New York City to Denver in two days, and cost is quite important. (In the electricity business, this translates to satisfying a demand (load) through dispatchable energy, reliably and economically.)
So who do we subcontract this job to? A good option is to put this merchandise on an 18-wheeler and send it on its way. Will it always get there 100% of the time without fail? No, flukes do happen. However, if this experiment was repeated 100 times, the truck would arrive well over 90% of the time, on schedule and within budget. This is equivalent to using a conventional energy source, like nuclear power.
Now let’s introduce green into the equation, arbitrarily adding the requirement that no fossil fuel can be used: our options are now severely restricted. The parallel choice to using wind energy is to send the merchandise with golf carts (battery powered so no fossil fuel will be consumed during transport). How many golf carts will it take to dependably replicate the performance of one Mack truck?
A couple points on our renewable energy future.
Do the golf carts hypothesized in this article have the same operating characteristics in July as they have in January? In Minnesota as in Arizona? I have yet to hear just how the operations of the Chevy Volt can be expected to change depending upon the part of the country and time of year it in being used.
Second, suppose wind turbines are the source of the electricity to charge our “golf carts”. How much energy is required to build and place a wind turbine into operation? I would love to see the energy cost from the initial mining and refining of the materials of its construction, through fabrication of the parts, through construction of the major assemblies to transport and erection on site. In other words: how many wind turbines does it take to build a wind turbine?
No, I do not expect an answer to these questions.
Craigzzzzzzz: Brazil uses ethanol to run its trucks; only a moronic brainwashed American would discuss golf carts and ignore ethanol energy independent (on ethanol) Brazil; You can find Brazil on your world map south of North America!…and the physics for ethanol production do not change south of the equator!
Yes Craigzzzz wants info on construction cost for “wind”, and ignores ethanol; but Craigzzzzzz could not care less about the energy (BTU) value added to gasoline per dead army soldier…or oil spill clean up…
Another brainwashed/braindead American who, up through yesterday, can not explain cellulose ethanol production…zzzzz sound asleep!
Gee thanks Bruce. Just what we needed–sanctimonius snark from another half-witted environmentalist. Nice that Brazil produces ethanol so they can export their hydrocarbons to others who don’t grow sugar cane or other costly biofuels requiring socialist government subsidy to exist. When you are tired of the “green” sandbox and grow up come join the non-utopian real world.
Cellulose ethanol production takes more energy to produce than the ethanol contains.
Brazil makes their ethanol directly from sugar.
You realize, of course, that great swaths of the Brazilian rain forest is being bulldozed to make way for more sugar cane production now that the “environmentalists” have decided that you can’t use petroleum base energy that comes from plants that have been partially readied for energy production by mother nature deep under the ground. Oh no. It is in some way better to raze the rain forests and plant new crops and then use even more energy to turn them into ethanol.
Twits.
Lily,
Some Russians believe that oil does not come from decayed plant & animal material, but is produced by the earth itself as part of the normal geologic activities occuring every day. It is also suggested that this process is occuring much faster than conventional what conventional wisdom holds. If this is true, than oil is also a renewable resource.
Geothermal does exist and is quite feasible. Iceland is an example. Here in California we have an area that is out by the Desert Hot Springs area where all land piped water comes up hot. That is because the Earth’s crust is very thin there. If ground water is a problem, simply use a heat exchanger to tap the energy. California alone could supply enough energy for the Western United States, and nobody seems to want to do it. That and using tidal changes on the coast for energy, could eliminate the need for any fossil type energy needs for half of this country. On top of everything, it is clean, endless and free. The energy consumption in Denmark is a fraction of what it is here (per capita) and they make use of every type of clean energy source. Many of the households in Denmark create enough energy, solar and wind, that they sell some of it back to the electrical grid. Nothing should be discounted ie. Methane from garbage, methane from sewage, ethanol, wind, geothermal, tidal, solar, and damming rivers. Another reality is that we are underusing natural gas. Converting gasoline powered vehicles to methane or natural gas could make us energy independent. Its all there, all we have to do is use it.
When and where geothermal and tidal power make sense economically, they should be used. I doubt that the amount of energy available is anywhere near as great as you think, or as easy to tap as you think. Otherwise they would already be making use of both.
If we had the national will, we could produce enough electricity through geothermal energy that we could convert water to hydrogen and power all our cars with it forever.
Consider geothermal, its available and almost entirely untapped. It wouldn’t matter how many golf carts you’d need to use then. I’ll do anything to quit buying Mid East oil.
Except that geothermal isn’t really feasible unless you live next to a volcano. It’s also equipment intensive and not very efficient. (Also, pumping water into the ground tends to promote earthquakes).
There’s also the problem that the water that comes back up tends to be caustic, which does wonders for the insides of pipes and turbines.
most oil used in the USA comes from Mexico,Venezuela or Canada. very small percentage is from the middle east.
I have no problem with renewable sources of energy …but we aren’t there yet in terms of being able to do it and a lot of the talk about it right now is as the article states not viable.
ethanol is not the answer …brasil is looking for oil.
So how would you feel about a NAFTA oil tax where oil imported from outside the NAFTA area would be taxed and the revenue raised used to pay for the expenses caused by NAFTA citizens in each others’ countries? A tax like that would make oil produced in Canada, Mexico and the US more valuable since it is untaxed and oil from Venezuala, Russia and the Mideast less valuable since it would cost more to sell in the US.
Making energy more expensive is never a good idea. Unless your purpose is to put people out of work. NAFTA energy will quickly rise in price until it sells for the same price as newly taxed non-NAFTA energy. You have already acknowledged this when you stated that NAFTA energy would become more valueable.
MarkTheGreat
You are making my point. Crops grown for fuel are grown exactly like crops grown for food or fiber. They don’t pollute any more or less.
If somebody has a problem with pollution caused by crops grown for ethanol their beef is really with agriculture. I will make the bold statement that I am in favor of agriculture and all the improvements in our lives that have resulted from the Neolithic Revolution.
Ooops.
Responded in the wrong spot. Here’s a response for this place.
The employment that I would like to decrease is jihadis who are supported with money that we pay for middle eastern oil. If the price of oil goes up within the NAFTA area, that will encourage production of more oil within that area, for example Canadian oil sand to oil conversion, and also substitution of other products for oil, for example natural gas for city buses, electrification of railroads and, yes, biofuels like ethanol, biodiesel and butanol.
Fifty years ago most oil was owned and produced by private companies. Today, most oil is owned and produced by the governments of foreign nations, many of whom hate us and wish us ill. That reduces the effect of market forces on oil production decision making. Having a tax on oil imported from outside of NAFTA reduces the ability of those hostile governments to adversely affect our economy and our lives.
Besides, we are going to pay for the Mexican citizens using our schools, hospitals and prisons one way or another. Paying for it with a tax on oil from Venezuala, Russia and the Middle East is not the worst way to do it. The way we currently force localities to pay for the federal decision to not enforce the immigration laws seems to me to be a lot worse method.
Production and consumption of ethanol creates quite a bit of pollution. It is quite a bit cheaper in Brazil, because of lower land, tax and labor costs, as well as a more favorable growing season for feedstock. In the USA, it takes nearly as much resouces to prioduce ethanol as the energy produced and there is the huge environmental problem, as well as competition for food vs fuel.
The people claiming pollution problems in the growing of corn for ethanol seem to be primarily upset by agriculture. Even if no crops were used for fuel, we will produce the same quantity of pollution. If we change our agricultural methods to reduce pollution, that will reduce the pollution involved in growing crops for ethanol.
Just what are these “low pollution” agricultural methods that were aren’t using already?
And please, don’t say organic. That’s a non-starter. If the whole country went organic, we wouldn’t be able to grow enough food to feed ourselves, much less have any left over for making ethanol.
MarkTheGreat
I meant to post this here instead of the other place.
You are making my point. Crops grown for fuel are grown exactly like crops grown for food or fiber. They don’t pollute any more or less.
If somebody has a problem with pollution caused by crops grown for ethanol their beef is really with agriculture. I will make the bold statement that I am in favor of agriculture and all the improvements in our lives that have resulted from the Neolithic Revolution.
Ethanol takes more fossil fueled-sourced energy to produce than it yields. It produces more “greehouse gases,” for those still belonging to the AGW religion. Producing it has driven up the cost of food world wide. But by all means, let us ignore these realities (the point of the article) and instead focus on snark and superiority based on ignoring inconvenient facts.
Brucie, you little TOLERANT SEXULAR SUBHUMYNIST.
You live in abject terror of EVERYTHING, except that which will kill you in an instant. I got my moniker from one you you little Undead.
So, you are AFRAID, VERY AFRAID, and everything you FEAR, you LOATHE!
From my linque…
http://www.dadi.org/hysteria.htm
While Narcissism seeks to kill the G-d of our forebearers, Hysterical Feminism seeks to kill the cultural traditions of millenia. Both are goals that rival Genesis, and yet both are succeeding. From clinical experience I have learned, never underestimate the power and determination of pathology(EVIL.) Remember Faust.
As with most personality disorders, the diagnostic hallmarks of the histrionic are the evolved childish protections against the knock, knock (or Tick, Tock) of anxiety and maturation. They are the protection against the universal impulse for union and procreation. The monster under the bed has been displaced by anything which smacks of the “masculine”. The anxiety of becoming a responsible parent has been displaced by the eraser of abortion – the power to kill responsibility. The need for security has been replaced with the demand for government entitlement (another person’s money) without having to struggle with human reciprocity. I am woman, just hear me roar!
In closing…Please shut your bleeping gob, and go take about 600mg of Thorazine…And, throw away the Cialis. Your brain is starved for blood, and O2. BTW…CO2 is a FRICKIN GAS! NO SUCH THING AS A CARBON EFFING FOOTPRINT! IDIOT!
BRAINDEAD: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!! For those of us who agree with everything you state, but really don’t understand the clinical reasoning behind your statements, let me say THANK YOU again. It is pathology that drive so many of the left wing nuts (and right wing nuts, for that matter). You would think that calculated thought and reason would bring the “scientists” behind the “hockey stick” scare to re-evaluate their conclusions, but instead the individual psychosis kicks in and they’re now defending that which has been utterly shown to be false! (Cog Disso anyone?). It’s maddening. We have a president who never matured beyond 22 years of age!
Don’t take offense…I prefer TROLLSCUM, to braindead. That being said, God bless you, my brother.
Atheists on the right, seem to hate Believers as bad as Leftists.
It’s called Post Modernism, or POMO. I’ve never had a religion, except I’ve been “raised,” in Freemasonry, as did most of our Forefathers.
I have FAITH! http://www.blognow.com.au/jonjayray Lib’s RELIGION is, ATHEISM and they are Sexular Subhumynists, with not a scintilla of human decency.
Postmodernism is in fact just a tantrum. Post-Soviet reality in particular suits Leftists so badly that their response is to deny that reality exists. That they can be so dishonest, however, simply shows how psychopathic they are.
Juergen Habermas, a veteran leftist German philosopher stunned his admirers not long ago by proclaiming, “Christianity, and nothing else, is the ultimate foundation of liberty, conscience, human rights, and democracy, the benchmarks of Western civilization. To this day, we have no other options [than Christianity]. We continue to nourish ourselves from this source. Everything else is postmodern chatter.”
Congrats, Dr. Habermas. I’m just going to simplify it for you, though…Choose Light over Darkness. That’s all a body has to do.
Later James,
Trollscum
Ethanol, in particular cellulose/corn ethanol, is a SCAM. It takes major fossil fuels to grow it, it takes major insecticides that runoff into our water supply, it makes some of our food like beef more expensive, and it requires major taxpayer subsidies. On top of all that, it’s still expensive! What a crock!! Ethanol is not a renewable or even good for the environment!
As a Brazilian, I can tell you that only cars run on ethanol or gas. Trucks still run on Diesel down there.
J Droz, and Marktheflake are most similar to Pavlovs dog, just programmed to “talk till you believe your own BS”.
Marktheflake is addicted to his propaganda about BTUs, does not matter to him the facts; like maybe I got a trillion BTUs for free and make a gallon of ethanol;
Marktheflake, he does not add the cost of wars and oil spills to the BTU cost of gasoline which is higher than the BTUs in a gallon of gas, he never thought…
What is the BTU value of a dead soldier defending your oil, Mr Marktheflake?
How many BTUs are added to the cost of a gallon of gas for each dead American army soldier? How many?
Come on, Mr marktheflake, tell us we do not have armies in the mid-east defending our oil supply and those BTUs do not count anyway…
Ok. Let me ponder your points. Hmmmm. Let’s not do anything then.
Does anyone have a moron to english translator? I seem to have misplaced mine.
I’m guessing that Gay Betty thinks that somewhere out there is a perfect energy supply that will power the nation and have zero negative side affects.
Then again, Gay Betty is a moron who believes in unicorns and fairy tales.
I get the cost in soldiers lives of defending our oil supply. I just don’t get why we don’t drill in ANWAR, for example. Why is the risk of a spill more to be avoided than warfare?
The soldiers aren’t in the Middle East to defend the oil supply, but to kill the people who are using oil money to try to kill Americans.
G-y Jetty,
Doesn’t it get old, being such a pathetic, bed wetting weenie? BOO! GOTCHER NOSE!
An addendum to CraigZ’s comment; The environmental damage that accompanies the installation of wind turbines is astonishingly awful. They carve up hillsides and forests to build roads to install and service the intrusive monsters. The concrete pad and underground wiring will stay in place forever, as the companies are not required to remove them at the end of the useful life of the turbines. The result is environmental degradation on a massive scale, to which those who absurdly call themselves environmentalists are blind. Instead of beautiful calm hillsides we have noisy, 50-story high (the new ones that are coming) machines (oh, yes, they use oil — they have gears, you know) that will be rusting junk in 30 years. As for jobs — one man sitting at a bank of computers can run a wind farm of hundreds of turbines. Can’t we just skip this energy phase and get onto pocket nuclear plants, which take up the footprint of maybe half a dozen wind turbines or a tiny fraction of a solar farm? The upside is that the renewable energy transmission lines from the desert/wind resource areas (Southern Calif Edison is building one for $2 billion) can carry electricity from other sources — nuclear or coal — when the populous –sick of paying a fortune for the wind — wises up.
Not exactly. Them Mitsubishi units are famous oil leakers. No rusty towers under their generators. Now some transmissions overheat and strat fires. That is another mess.
Not to mention the destructive mining in China for the rare earth magnets that go into the turbines.
JayGetty
still not sure who has died ‘defending our oil’… Iraq sells its oil on the open market just like everyone else. We haven’t ‘seized’ oil from there, and won’t. It’s Statists and Fascists like Hugo Chavez who seize and socialize oil and oil companies, and drive off American companies while stealing billions of their assets in place… and then come crawling back a year later asking for experts to come and help them increase their now flagging oil production. ExxonMobil said go to hell.
The soldiers I know who were over there are defending our freedom, not our oil. they’re trying to kill the guys who are mass-murdering their OWN people and planning attacks against American soil.
We’ve got plenty of oil in America that we’re not allowed to drill. How do we defend OUR oil, attack Democrats? You’re spouting anti-Bush tripe from 2006, and it was dimwitted then and is still.
Fuel alcohol costs more to produce, distribute and burn than gasoline does, and fuel alcohol emits more dangerous toxic byproducts than gasoline does. Not to mention it increases drastically the price of food, i.e. corn, which harms poor people the most as their limited income can’t handle tripling in the pricing of staples.
Windmills cost bazillions of $$ to build, taxpayer subsidized in all cases, and when the wind doesn’t blow, they don’t add to the grid. There are no GIANT BATTERIES to store their production when the wind IS blowing, and this means standard powerplants must be running at all times to take up grid slack when wind stops… and at night, when solar panels don’t work. You can’t ‘stop and start’ power plants. It takes a couple of days to fire one up from cold. They have to be kept running. So wind and solar do not add more than a tiny token amount of unreliable energy. Germans have been building windmills longer than us, they’re all OVER germany, and they add maybe 2% to the national grid, intermittently.
Give up the propaganda and think for yourself. Or don’t.
And the Germans are ending their government subsidies of the wind industry, having found wind power unreliable and monstrously cost inefficient. Spain, which has poured zillions into the “green jobs” fairy tale is also pulling out, having found the effort tto be a colossal waste of money. But let us ignore these facts too, and press on toward our “green energy” future, where unicorns and Tinkerbell will joyfully show us the way.
Toyota Prius is an example of “green energy” failure. I OWN one!:
The cost of a new battery EXCEEDS the residual value of the car. This spells “subsidy”: non-sustainability!
This concept, scaled up by orders of magnitude, is what awaits us if we drink the “renewable” Kool-Aid.
Jay Getty, with his Pavlovian blood-for-oil fixation.
Even if JG’s drivel had any basis in fact, that still wouldn’t be anything like an argument for pathetic windmills, or against increasing domestic oil and coal production.
Economic Cost.
Thanks for your essay – this is exactly how I feel about “renewable energy”. I think another way to look at it, is the cost (before tax breaks) it takes to generate the power – if renewable cost more – it’s because they are using more resources. I always find it funny when someone does an analysis of the cost of a renewable energy source (look at ethanol) and realizes it uses more energy. To put it simply “DUH” that’s the reason it costs more. That’s the beauty of markets, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist, physicist or an economist to figure the costs out.
BTW – I keep having this nightmare – where are trains all run on wind energy – so your train from Washington to NYC just stops when the wind stop blowing. Schedule based on wind blowing.
Gee, If we have armies in the middle east defending oil supplies and the worlds economy runs on oil, wouldn’t that mean we are defending the worlds economy?
Cellulose ethanol is the renewable fuel that is currently available (ever heard of Brazil?, Are physics different south of the equator) to run cars and trucks.
Batteries are current available in cars that go 40-60 miles without a recharge. (Ever heard of Israel, Mr John Droz, Jr?)
Yes Israel is now running battery cars and installing charging stations.
Just because you, Mr. John Droz love oil, & are addicted to oil, & represent oil, does not mean we need oil/gas to run cars and trucks.
John Droz, Jr, I find your article both false and delusional and unrelated to the real world. Have you, John Droz, Jr, ever been outside an Ivory Tower, no going to Star Bucks does not count…
And yes, by 1984, I built a distillery and converted my car to ethanol, no gas; so yes I know all about how few BTUs, and how little it cost to produce clean renewable Ethanol!
Not my fault that you, Mr John Droz and the American people, appear both hopelessly brainwashed and addicted, like a heroin addict in denial, to oil!
Now this moronic prattle again.
1) Brazil uses sugar, not cellulose to produce it’s ethanol.
2) Batteries going 40-60 miles. Call me when they can go 300 hundred miles and be recharged in 5 minutes. It would also help if the batter pack could last longer than 5 years, and not cost more than the car to replace.
My iPod taked hours to recharge. I can’t wait to have to drive hundreds of miles in my electric car and stop overnight five times to recharge. Electric cars will only be practical for short distance driving for the forseeable future. And they may be fine for that, but where does the eletrical energy come from? Does Israel, cited by the condescending Bruce, produce the electricy for its cars from pixie dust? Is it all from solar and wind? I doubt it.
I am responsible for a 250 Watt radio station on a remote mountain top in California. It is located there because it has clear coverage of two major cities. But, alas, there is not nearby mains power. So we used solar, wind and a backup diesel generator. We computed the amazing amount of power in a square meter of sunlight at noon in midsummer with the panel perpendicular to the sun’s rays (over a 1000 W from just a square meter). We rejoiced in the stiff thermally generated ocean breezes on a warm summer afternoon. We designed a huge “fudge factor” to allow for variation in the supplies, and automatic switchover between sources, and we employ a large bank of solar cells and batteries. We were solidly over-engineered.
The wind and solar options have repeatedly failed us. The rough environment and icing has shortened their life and reduced their efficiency to the point where they are mere curiosities. The primitive road does not allow regular delivery of fuel. We are considering running miles of power lines to the nearest civilization to get mains electrical power so we can stay on the air. This is annoying for a radio station, but no lives are at stake. But do we want this for our cities as well?
Yes Bib,
This is where people lose perspective on moving to green energy sources. It all looks like it can work on paper and sure enough you install everything and see immediately feel it is working as intended. However, it is the prolonged cost of maintenance that eventually catches up and negates any perceived benefits. Particularly, the wind and the solar options require enormous levels of upkeep to the infrastructure that interconnects these widely dispersed wind towers and solar panels. The longer you operate the more maintenance costs will accrue as hardware become older and more prone to failure in mass. It’s this cost uncertainty that offsets any benefits gained from going this route and in fact will eventually see to it grinding to a halt.
@Jay Getty
Wow, great satire. I seriously lol’d.
…what, you were serious?
Hey, Jay, have you ever lived with a renewable energy system? I have. I was married to a guy who was totally committed to it, and all I can say is that if you like living in TN with no air conditioning in the summer, you’ll love it. If you’re lucky, you’ll get to run a fan. Unless you can spend at least $20K on a home system, you’ll have to make a choice whether to run the coffee pot or the blender. You’ll need to order special (very expensive) washing machines and refrigerators, too.
Renewable energy sucks. That’s all there is too it. I’m all for conserving and using energy wisely. However, the idea that you can easily and cheaply get all your power from the sun or the wind is BS.
BTW, I’m married to someone else now, and we live on the grid.
What a poor article.
J. Droz doesn’t seem to understand how critical thinking works. You don’t quote your versions of your opponents’ claims and disprove those. You quote what your opponents actually say and then go to work. The links in this article only go to more Droz articles.
It’s a shame. I probably agree with many or most of Droz’s conclusions, but there is no way to tell in this article whether Droz is presenting Straw Man arguments or not.
The green movement itself is based on the lie that mankind is capable of causing irreparable damage to the Earth. If the main premise is false, then everything that follows is also false.
In the fantastical land of the radical environmentalist, (is there any other kind?) there are a few things missing: the laws of physics and economics, logic, and common sense.
It’s vital to the country that we return the “chicken littles” to the fringes of society and restore sanity in Washington. If any candidate claims he or she believes in the hoax of global warming, send them packing, as they have proven themselves unfit for office. If they can’t recognize reality, then they cannot be expected to make sound decisions.
The world is a rapidly changing place and Pajamas Media’s article about the scarcity of small arms ammunition caused in part because of the scarcity of raw materials speaks to this.
The only good coming out of America’s bankrupt energy policies is that the world is quickly draining radical Islam of it’s oil and therefore it’s revenues used to bankroll radicalism.
Of course, Europeans and America will eventually come up with radical breakthroughs in the form of superconductor and solar technology because that type of thing is endemic to their cultures. Meanwhile, less techno oriented and ethno oriented people like the erstwhile inhabitants of Aztlan will be trying to reverse engineer a cell phone and trying to figure what the hell the ‘Uncertainty Principle’ has to do with anything.
Sorry, I couldn’t resist a dig at the Arizona situation.
The initial cost and necessary maintenance of the wind mill generators must be considered, also. I watch the wind mill sections being transported through my part of Texas, Westward, then the broken ones being transported Eastward for repair.
People who say you can get affordable electricity through wind or sun power are the same people who preach evolution. All of it is religion based on imagination rather than scientific method.
J D Smith
Hey, Jay. How many BTUs did the World Trade Center generate ? Be sure to add that into your equation.
Sheeesh !
The point in all of this is not that the so-called “green” protestors want us off fossil fuels so we will be better for the environment.
They want us not to be a great nation that competes with their beloved socialist paymasters…
If you doubt this, interview them and see how many think Mao, Che, and Stalin (together responsible for about 100 Million dead) were more evil than Nixon, Reagan, and Bush (apparently responsible for far worse crimes)…
Liberalism actually is a mental disorder related to Narcissism. These people have become unhinged. And it’s all explained in Romans 1:18-32.
Get on your knees before the Lord, America! Before we are conquered and forced to our knees by some lesser power…
Thank goodness somebody with a voice and the medium to expose these apparently unchallenged scams is available – thank you PJM and thank you John Droz.
I am all for pursuing alternative energy, but within reason and at a reasonable cost. Life and the economy still go on. These pipe dreams of soon promise for alternative substitutes of hydrocarbons (that don’t mention nuclear) are such a joke that while we twiddle our thumbs listening to rubes like Al Gore, our children look to a bleak future.
I disdain T. Boone Pickens as a human but respect him as a businessman. If we truly have maxed at peak oil, and I think that possible though not guaranteed, then why are we not pursuing with more gusto the next logical step of abundance called methane?
Max oil won’t occur for another 400 to 500 years. At the earliest.
First, a disclaimer: I am a satisfied owner of a residential solar electric system, and a solar hot water system. The hot water system is a 25 year old Reynolds Aluminum design, and has saved an estimated 3,500 gallons of propane over it’s lifetime, while requiring only minor maintenance. It is highly likely that it has saved far more energy then went into manufacturing it.
The solar electric is too new to judge it’s lifetime impact yet, but initial results are encouraging. While some may scoff at the “low” 16% efficiency of solar PV panels, I’d like to point out that the modern industrial world was built upon steam engines with a whopping efficiency of 6%. And, this was after the coal was dug and transported using manual labor and steam power, again at 6%. It is remarkable that we advanced so far on this technology.
Even today’s modern gasoline engines are in the range of only 20-30%, and peak efficiency for diesel engines and power plants is around 50%.
While detractors may point out the energy that went into the manufacture of solar panels, it is a one-time event. Once installed, they produce energy with no costs incurred transporting fuel to them. In addition, the power produced by small residential and commercial solar PV installations is used locally, eliminating transmission losses. True, they don’t run at night, but your conventional generators will also stop when deprived of fuel. So you say the sun is too unreliable a power source? Then you should be worrying about where your next meal is coming from, since plant life is completely solar powered.
I will admit that renewable energy is not “The Answer”. However, it can be a valuable part of a sensible energy strategy.
3500 gallons of propane? Does your system use any glass or metal? Do you have any idea how much energy it takes to produce glass and metal?
As to the energy payoff of solar, it doesn’t matter that the creation energy is a one time event. If it’s more than you can expect to get from the cell over it’s usefull lifetime, then it’s more. As to your comparisons to the efficiencies of other systems, totally irrelevant.
Anywho, that 16% is what you can expect to get from an oncovered cell. Is your cell covered by glass or plastic? If you don’t think it’s covered by anything, then you have failed in your basic research requirements.
Both glass and plastic will both absorb and reflect some of the incoming energy. There goes some of your efficiency.
If the covering gets dirty, your efficiency will plummet until you get up there and wash it. While washing it, be carefull not to scratch the surface, that’s a real efficiency killer.
Additionally, you are aware that the efficiency of those cells goes down when they get hot. Better have some method of keeping them cool.
Are you also aware that the efficiency of those cells is going to decrease over time. You better get ready to replace that panel in 15 or 20 years.
All good points. Here are some more: the efficiency of Solar panels drops about 20% in the first year. Thereafter linerly due to photo inactivation (think about the effect of sun on your house paint and vinly windows). In the last five years of usefulness there is another precipitous drop in efficiency. Use a spreadsheet and claculate your costs year by year. I found that including the government subsidy, I could not break even in under 20 years. think the installation will last that long? Will your roof? did you factor in the cost of removing the system, in order to replace your roof? I think not. Other imponderables: The repeated and long term exposure to temperature extremes (100 degrrees average in Denver summer to winter) has not been factored in. The costs of panels ( toxic waste yopu know), has not been figured in either. Not ready for prime time.
Getty: How much oil are we getting from Iraq, again? Oh, and Afghanistan is such a rich oil producing nation. I didn’t know we had our military in SA or UAE to protect their/our oil? I thought they were staging area. And if you were really concerned about our troops being used to protect our oil interests, then you would lobby your Dems and their enviro-wackjobs and EPA to allow us to drill in land and off shore right here in the US.
Why you bring in distractions to the commentary is a sign you cannot disprove or refute what the author said.
So don’t come here and talk like you care about our guys or our energy infrastructure or costs. Your side only cares about killing America.
The goal isn’t to have an abundant and efficient energy supply nor is to help the environment. The environmental and conservation movements have been infiltrated, undermined and hi-jacked by socialists, just as they’ve done with every noble cause, public institute and form of media and entertainment. The goal is the control of productivity, the erosion of freedom and redistribution i.e. confiscation of wealth. Creating the illusion that there’s a renewable energy future for us all is just the latest retorical tool they’ve invented to attack the fossil-fuel industry, with the added benefit of turning what’s essentially a cottage industry (the manufacture of wind mills and solar panels) into a worthless pit to be filled with money stolen from taxpayers.
Exactly Arty,
The watermelon environmentalists realize that they can leverage so called “green” initiates to their cause of attaining high level government power; making tons of money along the way. Despite the watermelon’s howls when an environmental disaster occurs; they all secretly enjoy when something like an oil spill occurs. Never let a crisis go to waste.
It’s funny how they deride “big oil” as greedy profit seekers all the while keeping a blind eye to the “green economy” that is being slowly created. All they are doing is creating a new commodity to trade, literally out of thin air, in the hopes of getting rich quick before the bubble bursts. At least with oil we get a tangible resource that provides a productive capability for people to generate additional wealth and resources. The green economy is built around trading an invisible gas and erecting solar panel farms in places like Chicago were the sun only really shines brightly for a couple months of the year. Hell, I’d say the dot-com economic model was more sound than this latest green economy B.S.
Not just socialists, but corporatists, too. The people who could not sell a woind turbine without taxpayers footing the bill. The General Eletrics of the world who need the government to require people to replace their 75-cent light bulbs with 6-dollar ones. The trillion-dollar markets just wating for mandatory “carbon credit” purchasdes by world industry. There is big money behind the “green movement.”
These interests exploit the useful idiots who subscribe to the green religion. They have recast the old spoiled Eden myth in eco terms, replacing God with “The Planet,” but otherwise sticking pretty close to the old tale, with paradise ruined by Man’s fundamentally wicked nature. These people are the new Calvinists, who see mankind as hopelessly sinful and whose fundamental iniquity will result in cataclysmic retribution from The Planet.
Ah yes, the “blood for oil” fallacy. We are in the Middle East for political reasons, and we import oil for political reasons. We have plenty of our own but will not use it – again for political reasons.
Your example should replace the Golf Carts with the same truck used before except that it is powered by Wind Power using sails. Any sailor will tell you this can be done.
Each truck will carry tanks of compressed air which can fill the sails when ordinary wind fails. Or the compressed air can be used to provide jet propulsion. The tanks are recharged automatically when the truck rolls down hill or when it has a favorable win.
Also the jet stream can be used to propel the trucks given a long enough cable. Simply place an inflatable helium-filled sail in the jet stream, attach the cable, and away you go!!!
Lastly each truck will need a crew of 20-100 men to man the sails and cables (no women, they are unlucky). A large crew can also man the oars if becalmed. This will eliminate the current unemployment problem.
Inmates from local prisons can be used to haul trucks through tunnels and areas too small for sails and up long, steep mountain grades.
The perfect Progressive solution!!!
Try to understand the simple facts. The sun shines only in the day time. The wind blows sometimes, not always. There is no viable technology that will store the energy when it is available and release it when it is needed. If this technology was available, windmills and solar panels would be a large and profitable industry in spite of the high construction cost, as the wind and the sun are free. Engineers tried in unsuccessfully to devise energy storage schemes like big compressed air tank farms or lifting water up and storing the water in lakes so that electricity can be produced at a later time, when needed, using the stored energy in the compressed air and water. What it means is that you need to have additional fusil or nuclear fuel plants to satisfy the demand for electric power. In addition, there is no battery technology that can store the energy at a reasonable cost.
The whole wind and solar schemes that the Politicians are pushing is nothing but a hoax.
Ah St. Jay and the blessed progs will deliver not only “renewable” but “responsible” energy. We gots to go back to living in caves, however.
Jay makes an excellent point because it is obvious that if we switch to unicorn farts to power our economy the 7th century death cult we are at war with will close up shop and stop attacking us. Islam will cease to exist and its followers will simply ignore the parts of their creed calling for them to spread their religion by the sword.
Why, we should switch the military over first! Imagine how much more effective they would be with their electric vehicles and windmill generators! We could even transport them over there on wind powered sailing ships so that our carbon footprint would be minimized. YAY!! Let’s go get a latte’!
Seriously, if Jay REALLY cared about US soldiers he would be for drilling here and using our shale oil, coal, nuclear etc… Instead we are told we must use the least efficient forms of energy production and buy our efficient energy sources only from our enemies. You can’t be against protecting our energy sources abroad while denying us access to our energy sources at home. This is just basic logic. “Renewables” are currently non-starters. You will know when they are viable because the government will not have to subsidize, extort and threaten to get people to use them.
The West is currently in an existential struggle against leftists internally and Islamists externally. Of the two I certainly know which is more dangerous. It is Jay and his ilk. Osama can’t bankrupt us by spending the wealth of future generations before they are even born, he can’t take away all of our resources and subject them to central control, he can’t destroy our energy, finance and health care sectors, he can’t force us to install smart power switches so that our electricity can be turned off on a whim, he can’t make us listen to Jay… but Obama can… and is.
Right now we are at war with the lesser of our two enemies but the time is fast approaching when we will have to do battle with the larger enemy at home. No society can long survive letting the more atavistic and superstitious of it members hold sway in the way we have with the environmentalists and socialists. Eventually civilized behavior, science and logic must be allowed to triumph or we will end up like every other economic basket case that tried substituting central control for individual freedom.
Excellent!
Two words; energy density.
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Reality is even worse than the author paints.
The biggest problem with the golf carts is that they will stop at random times for an unknown length of time. IE, the wind stops blowing.
So called ‘sustainables’ or ‘renewables’ have this problem. They derive power from the sun, the wind, and the water, which are, of course, the earth’s natural climate regulatory mechanisms. Whenever a significant amount of power is taken from these sources(ripped from Gaia’s breasts) then local and global climate will be changed. Because of efficiency losses, the value of the power thus derived is always going to less than the damages caused by such derivation. The calculus is simple; the social repercussions will not be.
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Shorter Jay Getty: NO BLOOD FOR OIL OR SOMETHING…
He goes and makes the article’s point – namely that “green energy” advocates/lobbyists are less interested in making things efficient, affordable and effective, and are more interested in demonizing and throwing insults at people who rightfully identify their pet political cause as a waste of everyone’s time, money and brain power.
Now the 400 ft tall wind turbines. It takes 850 tons of coal to process the steel for a 400 ton tower. Add the shipping for iron ore. It takes 20 trucks to haul the tower to the site. It takes a 200 ton crane to lift the parts for the tower. The blades come from plastics refined from petrol. The gathering grid for the electricity takes many power poles and wire that comes from mining. The turbines are very innefficient. They run at not much over 20% of capacity each year. Somewhere a steel pipeline is laid to gather natural gas to feed the natural gas steam/turbines for back up power for the wind turbines. The CO2 generated and the carbon consumed in making wind energy available is massive. The eco greenies actually believe if there is no exhaust pipe or smake stack at the energy site, it is carbon free.
Thank you. I had NEVER seen the numbers.
Most of the replies to my post suggested I was downplaying ethenol. A lot of projection going on here.
I personally like the pocket nuclear options
Cheers
> Just to begin with, you’re hiring 100-plus drivers vs. one
Ah – the “green jobs” we keep hearing about….
“What is the BTU value of a dead soldier defending your oil, Mr Marktheflake?”
The same as the economic libert the oil represents–the freedom to trade–which that soldier died defending.
It is priceless.
Does anyone want to tell Jay Getty that we only get 10% of our oil from the Middle East, and that you don’t measure oil in BTUs? Or would that just ruin his fun?
This is an excellent article, Mr. Droz, thank you. It is always astounding to me that lefties who see deceit and an evil “profit motive” behind everything a business does decide to shut their eyes completely when it comes to energy. Strange times indeed.
The word is logistics. Have you ever flown at night over large American cities? The idea that you could supply these cities with wind or solar power generated energy makes about as much sense as all of us collecting fireflies in a jar for light.
What with fast neutron breeder reactors capable of generating more nuclear fuel than they “fiss” can’t we call that renewable energy?
(At least to see the greenies foam at the mouth.)
With 48% of all electricity coming from coal, an electric powered cart essentially runs on coal.
I read somewhere, that if we were to convert all transportation to electric, we would have to increase our electricity generating power by a factor of 10.
With the left pushing alternative energy development we can soon get rid of the governments huge 700 million barrel reserve of crude oil . We have been bamboozled by a pack of prevaricators. The SPR (Strategic Petroleum Reserve ) is so successful they have over 700 million bl and are soliciting buyers to take part of it off their hands. Well they need to reduce their reserves to expand their capacity to one billion barrels. Yes they want to expand a program that is rarely used to one billion bl and guess where it comes from ? Thats right . The Gulf of Mexico.
None of this makes any sense except to government . This boondoggle should be terminated since it serves no legitimate purpose . The question of who profits from this is never allowed . But I think it wouldn’t be unusual to find some vast sums of money in places where auditors never look.
I think that you have made a serious error in the definition of “renewable” energy. The term is meant to define a source of energy that over a relatively short period of time will “renew” it’s self naturally. This is to say, verses coal . . . which is NOT renewable due to the fact that it took millions of years for the carbon content of coal to be sequestered as coal. A good example of a renewable energy source is wood. Wood is produced by nature at a relatively fast pace, as compared to coal. Thus, the CO2 produced from burning wood to produce energy is consumed from the atmosphere by trees and then the new growth trees can again be used for energy. Therefore any material of high cellulosic content, wood, paper, corn stalks, filter cake from sewage plants . . . all of these are “renewable” sources of energy. Some of these can be used as an energy source in their “as from nature” condition . . . wood can be burned in a wood stove to heat your home. Others require extensive treatments to be used and those treatments may in fact result in the liquid fuels that can be produced being not economically viable. However, considering your desertation on the trucks verses golf carts . . . a liquid fuel fully capable of being used in the Mack truck can be produced from a renewable source . . . reliability of the truck, efficiency of delivery would not be impacted . . . but it would indeed cost the shipper of goods more.
I for one Do Not believe in Global Warming, it is a poltical fiasco. However, I do believe that “renewable” energy is vital to the alleviation of our reliance on petroleum based energy sources. It matters not where the CO2 comes from . . . consumption of a carbon based renewable or petroleum based souce it is still produced. Renewable souces (wood)or Petroleum sources; the most significant aspect is to realize is that when oil costs 150 dollars per barrell . . . if you heat your home with oil . . . then shifting to a wood based heating system will save lots of money . . . I can attest to this fact . . . I heat my home with wood pellets.
By the way, I am a nuclear engineer and would happily live next door to a nuclear plant . . . I absolutely refuse to live any where near a coal fired plant. My home of residence is only 2 miles away from where a nuclear plant was at one time to being built. Sad to say the project was cancelled due to the stupidity of ENVIRONMENTALISTS who failed to see or expect the current conditions. Humbly, I submit that the environmentalist of today, in no way can be compared to the environmentalist of the 1970′s
I mostly agree. But although coal is not renewable, we have enough for centuiries of electricity production. We have been able to clen most of the real pollutants out of it and have only left to overcome the myth of CO2 “pollution.” Same with oil shale. Same with natural gas and domestically available oil. Yes, someday it will all run out, but centuries from now. These sources, together with nuclear, could give us energy independence within a decade or so. But first we have to overcome the green religion/socialist/corporate exploiter complex perpetrating the myths of global warming and impractical “renewable” energy.
The good news is that, while the current phony eco myths tie up production of domestic fossil fuels, the bad guys in the Middle East are using up their supplies. Ours are fairly intact. If and when the nation wakes from its anti-fossil-fuel hallucinations, our supplies will be still be there to be tapped.
There is a 20% “surcharge” for losses incurred converting, recharging and storing of energy.
Even if the golf carts were a realistic solution it would increase the generation plant’s use of fossil fuel (or nuclear) by at least 20%, just what they say they don’t want.
How is the 110V outlet in your garage cheaper in the end than the gasoline pump down the street?
What a strange argument (wait, no, not strange…stupid!). Does it work the same way if the electric vehicle is an electric train and the ‘conventional’ vehicle is a scooter? Hmm, then you need a million scooters. Look, I’m no fan of ‘renewable energy’ arguments that suck. And, in fact, most of them suck – the company I read about who was selling solar electricity back into the grid (overnight) by plugging the power they bought cheap in and selling it at the subsidized price is a great example – but this article just creates a really stupid straw man and then beats it up for a while. That’s just stupid.
Kevin,
You do realize that the golf cart versus Mack truck was just an analogy right? The golf cart was supposed to represent “green” forms of energy production versus the imaginary Mack truck’s petroleum forms of energy production. It is just another way to think about energy sources in terms of their energy density. For instance, a cubic foot of compressed natural gas actually has more hydrogen atoms in it than a cubic foot of pure compressed hydrogen gas. This means you can create more energy from a per cubic foot of CNG than you can per cubic foot of CHG. Thus, the CNG is considered to have a higher energy density. You can still perform the same amount of work on hydrogen but you would need far many more cubic feet of gas than CNG in order to satisfy the same need. So, consider this when you analyze the abstract idea of hauling stuff around in multiple golf carts versus a single truck. It’s about the meaningful work per unit being accomplished.
I realize it’s an analogy – it’s just a silly one, and one I think is designed to be misleading. While the energy density is different, for example, efficiencies are also different. Diesel engines are at about 45% efficiency, and electric motors are much higher; I don’t know what the final cost trade off is, and if this article gives this I certainly didn’t see it. The article, instead, creates this whole golf cart analogy thing. Which is stupid. Using wind power no less – there are easier and clearer ways to show that a fuel economy built on wind power is destined to fail, I’ve seen several excellent arguments, and the amount of subsidy going in to prop up wind right now is a pretty good clue. But just because wind power is crap doesn’t automatically mean that cleaner energy sources (including nuclear) don’t make sense for transporting goods.
There is a reason Chevy Volts and other electric cars are so little and that electric vehicles do not come in large truck or train sizes. If you think hard enough maybe it will come to you.
Hint: batteries
> Hint: batteries
That’s a solid hint, thanks. I hadn’t thought of that. Batteries! Good lord, what was I thinking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_bus
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/03/freightliner-taps-tesla-to-build-an-electric-truck/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maglev_%28transport%29
If only they could solve this pesky…battery problem. Ah well.
J Getty, his strawmen are plenty.
J Getty does not refute the argument at hand.
J Getty admonishes people who aren’t even here to counter his statements, much like a coward.
Jay,
What is the value of the wars, mines and dead miners for the rare-earth magnets and metals used in the turbines?
What is the cost of the dead birds killed by the rotors?
PS: For 2007, our Top 10 exporters of crude oil to the U.S. in million barrels were:
1. Canada 680.533 million barrels (total for the year)
2. Saudi Arabia 530.245
3. Mexico 514.48
4. Venezuela 419.841
5. Nigeria 394.856
6. Angola 181.215
7. Iraq 177.009
8. Algeria 161.755
9. Ecuador 72.138
10. Kuwait 64.306
from http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_epc0_im0_mbbl_a.htm
Iraq seems very far down the list 3 years ago.
Facts will never trump belief.
Texas has about 9000 MW of wind generation.
About 385 of it is available on the hottest days of the year, when it’s needed most.
Most of the wind farms are located in West Tx. It’s about 100+ most of the time in West Texas during the summer. Know why? THE WIND RARELY BLOWS IN WEST TX IN THE SUMMER!!!!!!
Let’s ignore the fact that wind gets a subsidy of about $32 per MWh. Let’s ignore the fact that consumers in TX are spending 5 BILLION dollars to build more transmission capacity from the west to the loads.
Lets ignore the fact that using wind increases your cost of ancillary services (those gas plants on standby to work when the wind stops).
Ignore all of those items, and wind becomes a good economic choice.
Until then, anyone for wind is a fricking uneducated idiot, or someone on the .gov teets.
Btw, I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night. I know this crap.
TXL
This article just muddles the subject. The concepts from both sides of the aisle are nonsensical and unrealistic. The whole idea is to produce electrical power for homes and transportation. Current technology needs to be improved by leaps and bounds. More research and experimentation are needed. But the goals and economics need to be kept focused. Oil will get scarcer with emerging population and demand from fast developing countries (China, India, Russia plus traditional demand from Europe, USA, South America and Africa).
I bet the energy giants have found solutions, but it’s cheaper to pump oil than to develop new infrastructures. One example is the vast potential of ocean water to generate energy and drinkable water . . . Pumping ocean water for processing is a lot cheaper and safer than oil, once environmental concerns are addressed.
Are you talking about wave energy?
Yea, right… Tell that to the farmers in California who can’t even pump water out to their crops. Oh there’s plenty of water though! Just there is a wee little fish about 2.5″ long that gets chewed up in the water pumps. So, gotta turn them off! Can’t be killing little fishes no matter how hungry or cold you get.
CraigZ: “No, I do not expect an answer to these questions.”
I suspect that you don’t expect an answer because you don’t want to hear an answer. You can easily type “Renewables energy payback” into Google and there is tons of research on this. Energy payback refers to the amount of time a generator must operate to produce the same amount of energy that is embedded in its construction.
Wind turbines generally have an energy payback of 3-5 months, less than coal and nuclear plants.
Solar Panels typically have energy payback of 1-4 years.
These systems operate for over 30 years, so they produce many times the energy that it takes to build them.
The intermittency problem could possibly be addressed by linking electrical grids across vast areas to increase the chances that if the wind isn’t blowing/sun isn’t shining in one location, odds are it will be in another.
Storage/intermittency is the major problem with renewables.
Those numbers would need an order of magnitude improvement in order reach the standard of being merely bogus.
Agree.. By “Energy” does that include labor, depreciation, maintenance, etc? Gee! I guess solar and wind need subsidies because of some great conspiracy from big oil!
To refine the silicon for solar is a very energy intensive process. Turning that silicon into semiconductors is also energy intensive and requires the use of some pretty nasty chemicals (hydrofluoric acid). China leads the world in silicon refining because they don’t bother treating the silicon tetrachloride waste (which requires heating it to over 1,800 F). They just dump it around the plant, poisoning the place to the point where nothing will grow.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/08/AR2008030802595_2.html?sub=new
The “payback” numbers posted by MK are at face value nonsense. If they were real, solar and wind would require no subsidies and would dominate the electrical markets.
The biggest problem with the numbers I found was that first, they used absurd efficiency and insolation numbers.
Secondly, they covered only the creation of the cell itself. They ignored the packaging and support structures needed.
Wind turbines generally have an energy payback of 3-5 months, less than coal and nuclear plants.
Does that count the hot standby generators required for backup?
I didn’t think so.
That we sent $700 billion to Saudi and other enemies every year so they can fund Mosques at Ground Zero and propagandize millions to hate us is, to me, an excellent reason to find our own oil and nuclear power sources.
The less Middle East oil we buy, the better. “Alternative” sources make up less than 3% of our growing energy needs and themselves need taxpayer subsidies even to survive, much less become profitable.
Nothing can beat the inherent energy in a naturally occurring material (oil and coal) that is relatively easy to mine, transport and consume.
I find this argument far more convincing than the complaint that we are making mother Gaia cry.
The thing about energy is that we import oil for transportation. Since the 1973 oil embargo we have changed our electricity generation infrastructure so that almost no electricity is generated from oil any more. We could extend the overhead electric lines that power some railroads but until there is some major improvement in battery technology we are going to be relying on liquid fuel for most of our transportation needs.
Ethanol can be part of the of the solution. When oil went to over $100 a barrel a few years ago, ethanol was economically competitive even without subsidies. During that time ethanol kept the price of gasoline from going even higher than it did. Ethanol mixed with gasoline raises the octane. Higher octane allows engines to run with higher compression ratios that make them more efficient and yield more power from the same size engine with a lower compression ratio. That is why high compression ratio diesel engines are so much more efficient than conventional lower compression ratio gasoline automobile engines. Those of us who remember the early 1970s when lead was first taken out of the gasoline causing lower octane remember how the performance of cars designed to run on that low octane unleaded gas suffered.
Jay Getty,
The very reason you believe that oil is a sole basis for war is illustrated by the example of the lobbyist in the above article. If you limit your reading to a few incestuous sources you will learn little about the world and will vote the way media manipulators want you to vote.
To take your argument a step further: in your post-petroleum future would you rather an army fight for the lithium deposits in Bolivia for our battery operated golf carts? Or how about those iron ore mines that yield steel for the wind turbines? What about fanatics that take over a nuclear reactor in say Japan? Perhaps the Japanese will police it themselves, perhaps not. As we see in the naturally occurring Iceland-Europe cloud catastrophe, what happens elsewhere affects us somewhere else. Every energy source of the future will be subject to police protection. And this assumes that you are correct in your assumption that the sole basis for involvement in the middle east and Afghanistan is energy.
Congress is criminally stupid, first of all, that’s why they’d “buy” it. Next is because of the feel good qualities behind the name. In case you haven’t noticed for about the last 20 years we have been disregarding common sense for anything that even remotely ‘sounds’ like it has some form of ‘social justice’ facet to it. As though we don’t understand that “social justice” is the mark of Marxist political doctrine. Political Correctness has disengaged the minds of literally tens of millions of Americans, thanks to politicians and complicit schools. But worse than that it has engendered a suckling crowd of mindless twits who feed upon the pus laden lactate that oozes from the teats of government ‘udder’ nonsense as though some personal benefit could possibly result from their ingesting such such obviously toxic sustenance with unbridled abandon and wanton selfishness openly displayed as if social acceptance of disturbing mental and emotionally unbalanced and embarrassing behavior was expected or some how deserved. Believe me when I say, I’ll remember.
I think everyone is missing the opportunities in the “renewable energy” business. You set up your wind mills and solar panels, get drastically overcompensated by the set asides for renewable energy, then use the previously installed backup natural gas generators to supply the electricity. It’s a license to print money.
For those of you who don’t think that this can and is happening, you need to get out more.
Anyone remember the Tortilla shortage caused by turning food into fuel? I cannot believe that any sane or intelligent person could continue to advocate for ethanol; therefor I must conclude that people who do are insane, stupid, or both.
I’m inclined to agree with the author’s viewpoint on wind and solar, but I do think the term “renewable” has been misconstrued in the article. What’s worse is that the golf cart analogy is not a useful aid to understanding. It’s an obvious straw man. This article would have been better had the author truthfully presented lobbyists’ arguments.
bruce stein
“have you ever heard of brazil?”…
“are physics different south of the equator?”…
Hey bruce ever heard of doing some research?
energy consumption of brazil (2006):
49% oil
36% hydroelectric
7% natural gas
5% coal
2% nuclear
2% other renewables
source: EIA international energy annual 2006
energy information administration, dept. of energy
Go to any gas station in Brazil and you fill up with ethanol…so “liars figure but figures do not lie”..Brazil imports no oil, and offers to export ethanol to the USA but the USA demands 75 cants/gallon tax on imported ethanol! +/-…(may have lowered recently)
Why do you insist on lying about things that can be so easily checked?
You can get ethanol blended gasoline in almost any gas station in the US as well.
Even if every station in Brazil had a pump for ethanol, this would not prove your contention that many people in Brazil chose ethanol over gasoline.
As to Brazil not importing oil. Why would they need to? They have huge petroleum reserves, and are finding more all the time.
Prof Droz is right in his physics but wrong in his vision:
The right answer is nuclear. Battery powered trucks can and should be a reality for our country within 25 years; his golf cart analogy is way off base.
Wind and Solar technologies ARE inefficient sources now but, as any disciple of economics would tell you, through investment and continuous improvement, the cost of energy production comes DOWN. Nuclear
We can send our money to the Saudis or develop our own independent energy sources. The price of oil is only going up. Do you want to be free people independent of foreign energy driving very fast electric cars when you want going where you want? Hell yes you do!
Lastly, through storage and other technical advances wind energy will become more efficient and able to bear more load. Whatever subsidy the industry needs in the short term can pay huge dividends as an export industry to the rest of the world. If you think we have energy problems, the poorer nations of the world have economies that get crushed by higher energy prices and seek renewable sources.
Call me a Republican cheerleader for wind energy; I bear it as a badge of honor.
Please tell, what are these magical storage devices that are going to make wind energy cost effective? People have been looking for one for over 100 years.
Bah! Just wish it, and it will be. I thought you knew that.
Steam, raising water but there are new battery storage and capacitor technologies that have tremendous promise.
Steam and raising water are both expensive to build and very inefficient.
Batteries are expensive to build inefficient to operate, and come with the added draw back, they don’t exist yet.
Industrial hemp is illegal to grow in the U.S. Henry Ford said it was a better fuel for cars than petroleum based fuels. Hemp burns clean, makes better paper products than wood sourced pulp. Hemp clothing is better than cotton, in Europe they build stronger houses from hemp for one third the cost of wooden homes. Hemp grows in all fifty states, is completely renewable, anything made from wood or petroleum can be produced from industrial hemp, it could create many thousands of jobs in hundreds of new industries, has no THC like the female hemp plant, so why is industrial hemp illegal in the United States ?
Henry Ford said a lot of stuff, much of it as bunk as your hemp tales.
One other item I didn’t see mentioned here in the discussion of ethanol: runoff from fertilizer. There is a dead zone the size of New Jersey in the Gulf of Mexico (not from the BP spill). Nitrogen in fertilizer ends up in the Mississippi and thence the Gulf. This is real environmental damage on a massive scale. If the cause of this damage were any other than a side effect of the Green agenda, everyone in America would know about this, as it would be talked about frequently on the so-called “news” shows. Ditto the Great Lakes and the Chesapeake.
I’ve worked in coal plants in Alaska, and would have no problem living near one. With the new “bag houses” we had installed to catch fly ash, there are no visible emissions. It looks that way in the winter, but it is water vapor that becomes visible at extremely low temps. In the summer, it is as if the plant is not there. No smoke or haze in the skyline. Alaska has hundreds of years of proven coal reserves in the rail belt alone. Unfortunately, most of it is sold to the Koreans, not used in-state. Only the military uses coal there. (Fort Wainwright and Eielson AFB).
Issac Newton`s 3rd Law of Gravity states: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This law applies not only to physics but to economics too. For the liberal twits out there who love `renewables` you can never have a not polluting energy source. Everything produces waste. Human Beings consume and then produce waste as does every living thing on the planet. CO2 is food to plants and their waste is our oxygen. The Earth could care less that humans are here. There is nothing we can do to harm the planet since the planet is its own perfect recycler. The Law of Conservation of Energy states: Energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can be converted from one form to another. Once again, for you liberal treehugging twits that means whatever energy we use is still here on Earth but just in a different form. The molecules still exist but have been rearranged. Nothing is ever destroyed. Every ounce of water from the existence of the planet is still on the planet (except for what the astronauts left in space, of course). I`m sure by now your liberal brains have a headache so I`ll stop since I know you can`t read the truth without throwing a tantrum.
P.S. The Earth is still producing oil and will be long after we are gone….
Not true, the Earth is always producing new hydrogen from cosmic rays, and we have consumed a great deal of hydrogen nuclei in nuclear reactions (including detonating hydrogen bombs). Thus is water created and destroyed, for this hydrogen is obtained from or given unto water.
Renewable energy is a stupid, nonsensical term. Once energy is expended it is gone, it cannot be recapured, renewed and used again unless you happen to have a perpetual motion machine. Energy can only be regenerated, it cannot be renewed. Right now the most efficient and cost effective way to generate adequate and reliable electrical energy is to boil water to make steam to run a turbine coupled to an electric generator. Boiling the water is the part the greens don’t like because it means you have to burn something which to them means the end of civilization as we now know it.
One of the great political cop-outs has been touting an “All of the Above” energy policy. As the author convincely demonstrates (to those who will think through the issue), some proposed energy sources are essentially energy and money sinks and horridly bad investments.
Yet “All the Above” would continue public policies that incentize stupid investments in wind and solar. We have but a finite amount of investment capital. What we invest it in should be only in the source with the highest return. That means, oil, coal, and nuclear.
There is some room for cost-effective geothermal (2 GWe for California/Nevada/Oregon maybe) but wind and solar have crowded out transmission access on the Pacific Intertie, effectively blocking geothermal based on political directive from Caiso.
As to energy storage being the magic bullet for unreliable wind and solar, the basic equation for the cost of stored electricity output heavily favors…. coal and nuclear. That’s why almost all the existing pumped storage units build so far have been associated with large coal and nuclear projects nearby.
BTW, don’t get too excited about small modular nuclear reactors. They are chasing a new niche market for nukes and won’t affect the bigger issue of baseload, grid-connected generation that the current big nuke plants fill. In other words, they are a side line, not the main event. I say this as a nuclear engineer who has long rooted for such designs.
The whackiest scheme I hard of for sustainable energy is V2G (Vehicle to grid) which requires us all to buy electric cars. Then we change up our cars overnight on cheap rate electricity and feed it back into the grid for a premium during peak hours.
Academics and people in government are actually taking the idea seriously.
Even in the middle of the night, there isn’t enough spare generating capacity to handle more than about 5% of the existing cars as electric.
I found it interesting that a few people thought that I had created a “Strawman” analogy.
No comparison is 100% accurate, but the comparison between golf carts and an 18-wheeler truck have extraordinary parallels with the situation that exists between wind turbines and nuclear power (for instance).
The fact that they felt that I did not give turbines “their do” is something they ought to ponder, as I absolutely DID give them full credit.
The point of the analogy is to get people thinking more accurately about our energy choices. The stawman objectors are evidently unaware of the actual limitations of wind erergy. That is no surprise as this issue has been whitewashed by lobbyists for years now.
Look at “EnergyPresentation.Info” for a more detailed analysis of the whole situation.
J. Droz: Since you provided no cites to the claims of your opponents there is no way for readers to know whether you are paraphrasing your opponents fairly or just ridiculing them with straw man attacks.
Although I share your skepticism of the green energy movement, to me your article is an embarrassment. You come across as a crank, not a physicist. Surely you can do better.
Huxley:
Wind lobbyists do not represent their product accurately.
If you want the detailed picture, with technical references, please see the EnergyPresentation.Info referenced in the article.
J. Droz: Yes, I went to EnergyPresentations and clicked through several slides of your polemical PowerPoint slides and lost interest. I suppose buried in there somewhere are direct quotes from real lobbyists but I didn’t have the patience.
Lobbyists lie. Well, there is a hot flash. What you don’t seem to understand is that you are coming across in this article and in your slides exactly like a lobbyist, as someone grinding a particular axe and whom I have no reason to trust.
What huxley said. If you presented that analogy to a group of physicists you’d be laughed out of the room. To persuade intelligent people you must present your opponents’ argument in the best possible light, then demolish it with facts. That’s both good writing and good science. This article contains neither.
God, how I hate the remark “addicted to oil.” Saying that modern civilization is addicted to oil is like saying that people are addicted to food.
Oil is the most productive, versatile and helpful substance history has ever known.
And, no, a spill does not change my mind. Counting the years we’ve been using oil to run things and the number of spills, I’m not too scared. It’s like plane wrecks: they’re ugly and horrifying. But when you’re aware of how many planes fly every day, the rarity of wrecks is astounding.
Good point about the neo-luddite phrase “addicted to oil,” RKae.
Also, an oil spill does not change my mind either. Some of us recognize how much of an improvement oil and oil spills are compared to the frequent and ubiquitous spills of horse feces that petroleum-based technologies did away with.
The screaming ignorance of the many neo-luddites who crowd this combox demonstrates that Americans pay for too much college. (Seat time has its own Laffer-like curve.)
I think one of the main reasons the BP well even exists is that they are not allowed to drill on the continental shelf. They have to drill in extremely deep water because the government won’t allow drilling anywhere else.
People to the right of Mao,
You are arguing about how many demons can dance on the head of a pin, with absolute demonic lunatics.
George W. Bush, is a GOOD man. He is physically FIT and he loves the precious little planet. And, he is a spokesman for stupid Wind Mills.
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0429-03.htm
Published on Sunday, April 29, 2001 in the Chicago Tribune
Bush Loves Ecology — At Home
by Rob Sullivan
The 4,000-square-foot house is a model of environmental rectitude.
Geothermal heat pumps located in a central closet circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet deep in the ground where the temperature is a constant 67 degrees; the water heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. Systems such as the one in this “eco-friendly” dwelling use about 25% of the electricity that traditional heating and cooling systems utilize.
A 25,000-gallon underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof runs; wastewater from sinks, toilets and showers goes into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is used to irrigate the landscaping surrounding the four-bedroom home. Plants and flowers native to the high prairie area blend the structure into the surrounding ecosystem.
David Horowitz said…You cannot talk to somebody who wants to KILL YOU!
If you don’t believe in Darkness vs. Light, you are engaging in “Post Modern Chatter,” with these pseudo intellectual, self important, self aggrandizing, cerebral narcissists, with Cluster B Personality Disorder.
NOTHING ON EARTH CAN REDEEM GW BUSH, UNLESS HE OPENED UP A FREE ABORTION CLINIC. AND THEN, I WOULDN’T BE TOO SURE.
I’m not going to go ON AND ON AND ON, like a loony Liberal.
http://www.dadi.org/hysteria.htm
Above all, realize that this is war. Think like a soldier. Protect your flank; avoid potential ambushes; arm yourself with facts, logic and moral reasoning; and assault the enemy position – because you can’t win by only defending yours. Once the war is over, and Feminist/Flower Children are remembered like Pearl Harbor – perhaps diplomatic relations can be re-established with the survivors.
Crazy people ALWAYS FEEL GUILTY FOR SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE DID.
Ever hear of the Winchester Mansion? Sarah Winchester snapped her cap and FELT GUILTY for all of the deaths that Winchester firearms took, so she vowed to continue adding on to her home until she died, to do PENNANCE. FRIGGIN LOON! http://www.winchestermysteryhouse.com/index.cfm
If we are all on roller skates powered by squirrels in running wheels, the Warmists will not be happy. NOTHING MAKES A CRAZY PERSON HAPPY, UNLESS IT’S THE DEATH OF SOMEBODY LIKE TONY SNOW, OR JERRY FORD.
That’s all 4 me…HAVE A NICE DAY, OR I MAY HAVE TO KILL YOU!
I’m not going to go ON AND ON AND ON, like a loony Liberal.
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That would be a first.
The widow Winchester was told by a psychic, that the ghosts of people killed by her dead husbands guns wanted revenge, and that by making her house into an endless maze she could keep the ghosts from finding her.
The house is a marvel, definitely worth a visit if you are in the area.
Are you dissing me, Mark? I’m sure the house is a marvel. I hate crazy people, so I will never friggin visit it. I would rather go to the Gettysburg battlefield, and say a prayer for the death and destruction caused by the Satanic Demon-O-Crats.
Is this cuckoo clock’s repartee, more enjoyable to you, than mine? Perhaps I’m misunderstanding.. “That would be a first.” If you don’t like me, IGNORE ME! Discuss, rather, how many jars you have to fart into, to get enough gas to drive cross country, in your converted Pious.
2. Jay Getty
J Droz, and Marktheflake are most similar to Pavlovs dog, just programmed to “talk till you believe your own BS”.
Marktheflake is addicted to his propaganda about BTUs, does not matter to him the facts; like maybe I got a trillion BTUs for free and make a gallon of ethanol;
Marktheflake, he does not add the cost of wars and oil spills to the BTU cost of gasoline which is higher than the BTUs in a gallon of gas, he never thought…
What is the BTU value of a dead soldier defending your oil, Mr Marktheflake?
Just having some fun with your tendency to produce very long posts.
Mark,
How much REALITY is TOO much?
AmeriKa needs more Collectivism as a Femarxist needs a fish.
That we would even CONSIDER, let alone ERECT, the little Dick Tater in the Whore House, has had me crying Tears Of Rage, since the little dust kitty showed up on the stage.
It’s impolite to keep score. Leeme alone.
PS,
That Femarxist quote is mine. Please feel free to use it.
It’s a variation of one the GIRLS put out in the 70s.
A WUMIN NEEDS A MAN LIKE A FISH NEEDS A BICYCLE.
Brevity is the soul of wit.
That quote isn’t mine, though nothing I can say could prevent you from using it if you want.
And, Mark…You KNOW that I detest Cerebral Narcissists.
Also I’m getting the notion, that you may be a MOD-STASI, because my last comment to yours won’t stay up.
Ponder for a second, the differences in our screen names. M’kay?
Sorry, I’m cranked on Maxwell House..
Do you remember the Angelic Elizabeth Hasselbeck, slaying Rosie O Pigface? Haven’t heard much from Rosie, lately, have you? We don’t have to kill THEM, per say, just get THEM, to put a sock in it. So they can go back to their caves and LICK each other’s wounds, as well as…
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh205/dishmael_bucket/07_Elisabeth_picture.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh205/dishmael_bucket/rosieopigface.jpg
THAT’S IT…WE DOWN, WE GONE, ALL THE GOOD NUMBERS TO YA, GOOD BUDDY, TROLLSCUM IS OUTA HERE…CATCH YOU ON THE FLIP FLOP. KEEP AN EYE ON THE SMOKIES.
So, I’m REALLY going to TRY to go to town and buy some groceries, now.
I used to TEACH people how to run mainframe computers. I was the BEST in the company, because I have the Patience Of An Oak Tree. I would tell the people to…DON’T EVER FEEL BAD ABOUT ASKING ME A QUESTION. I DON’T CARE IF YOU JUST ASKED ME, 30 SECONDS AGO. WHEN YOU HAVE LEARNT WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW, NOW, THEN YOU WON’T HAVE TO ASK ME AGAIN.
I also COACHED hockey. Because, I’m a pretty good hockey player. NOBODY EVER ARGUED WITH ME, BECAUSE I KNOW MORE THAN THEY DID, AND MOST WERE THANKFUL TO ME FOR SHARING WITH THEM.
If you are an Atheist/Sexular Subhumynist, I KNOW MORE THAN YOU DO!
http://niv.scripturetext.com/matthew/10.htm
The Big Guy said this to His disciples in Matthew 10.
14If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. 15I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. 16I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.
TTFN Hope you all can make it into The Light.
This post commits an egregious logical fallacies, each phrased differently, called the Appeal to Authority.
I don’t care how much hockey you coached, how many mainframes you managed, or what you say God said. If you yourself can’t make an argument, STFU.
You do those of us who think renewable energy a scam a disservice with your childish rants. Please comb the nits out of your yellowed patriarchal beard and go away!!
AWNA(libspeak-through clenched teeth.)
If I KNOW something that YOU don’t know, I am not going to argue with you about it, Cupcake. You are a Hetero/Testostero/Christophobic…BOO!
I don’t wanna gwoo up, I’m a Femarxi Kid..
LITTLE MISS MUFFET RULES!!!!!
http://4merly-a-person.livejournal.com/183928.html
http://www.dadi.org/hysteria.htm
While Narcissism seeks to kill the G-d of our forebearers, Hysterical Feminism seeks to kill the cultural traditions of millenia. Both are goals that rival Genesis, and yet both are succeeding. From clinical experience I have learned, never underestimate the power and determination of pathology(EVIL.) Remember Faust.
As with most personality disorders, the diagnostic hallmarks of the histrionic are the evolved childish protections against the knock, knock (or Tick, Tock) of anxiety and maturation. They are the protection against the universal impulse for union and procreation. The monster under the bed has been displaced by anything which smacks of the “masculine”. The anxiety of becoming a responsible parent has been displaced by the eraser of abortion – the power to kill responsibility. The need for security has been replaced with the demand for government entitlement (another person’s money) without having to struggle with human reciprocity. I am woman, just hear me roar!
Little Miss Muffet sat on her tuffet, eating her turds away…Along came a spider, and sat down beside her, and she got a lifelong restraining order placed against HIM, and forced him to pay spiderling support till the little ones were in their 30s…
FLBPFLPBFLPBFLPBflbpflpb…Did you get YOUR FRIEND YET?
Awna,
With the LOGICAL schtick…Are you a Vulcan? Did you know Sybock? What was he like? Was he as COOL as Spock?
My point in any of my comments on this, or any other blog or forum, is that ALL IS VANITY(NARCISSISM,) FROM THE GODLESS LEFT. Do EWE FEEL that RENEWABLE/SUSTAINABLE ENGERNY, IS KAKA? WELL, WEBE ON THE SAME SIDE, GIRLFRIEND! PIECE!
When I’m finished with the Nit Comb, EWE can have it for…you know…Your naughty bits.
Please change that burqa, I can smell ewe from here. Uh oh…Is this A DREADED AD HOMMMMMIIIINEEEMMM? GRATUITUS VIOLINS(DOMESTIC?)
God bless you, PJM Person. Later BT
Bravo, Not Jay!
“I’m not going to go ON AND ON AND ON, like a loony Liberal.”
Good god man! I’d hate to see what would have happened if you had decided to go on and on…
Squawtty, I see you as an Advocate Type…This little guy was ADVOCATING for the HOMELESS, that I personally cause, all over the world.
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh205/dishmael_bucket/4thehomeless.jpg
Please follow his lead. He was SPECTACULAR AT GETTING SOME ATTENTION…
Rest in Pieces..Live short, and leave a good looking corp(Corpse to the Obamessiah.)
You’ve come to a battle of wits, unarmed, Cupcake.
Every single thing Liberals do is misguided and stupid, wrongheaded… Why anyone would ever grant such morons any power whatsoever by voting for them is anyone’s guess…
Some things, there is just NO FRIGGIN MIDDLE GROUND ON!
Darkness vs. Light. Heads or Tails.
If you start whining that because the coin is HEADS, that it’s SEXIST, and WILL NOT ACCEPT OTHERWISE, and YOU, who are supposidly on MY SIDE, argue with the little dipshit, for 6 days, YOU, my, FRIEND ARE WORSE THAN THE DEMENTED UNICORN JOCKEY!
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh205/dishmael_bucket/07_Elisabeth_picture.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh205/dishmael_bucket/rosieopigface.jpg
Look at these two photographs! One is GOOD, one is EVIL! YES, THE ONE OF O’PIGFACE IS DOCTORED, FOR THE BETTER!
Reality is NOT YOUR OPINION, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR STINKING IQ SCORE IS! ASK TED KACZYNSKI! LIBERALS EXCUSE OL TED, AS A TRAGIC HERO.
PJM, If you see a glaring typo in my post that you are going to allow, please feel free to fix it. I’m MENTAL, BUT I AIN’T RETAADED!
YOU, my, FRIEND ARE WORSE THAN THE DEMENTED UNICORN JOCKEY!
Should be; YOU, my FRIEND, ARE WORSE THAN THE DEMENTED UNICORN JOCKEY!
Off to see Monty Python. Later,
d
Reading all these posts I marvel at the knowledge,good humour and patience of the so called ‘RIGHT WINGERS’ and alternatively laugh at and despair of the ignorant, juvenile, insanity and downright barefaced lies of the Green NAZI moonbats.
Pragmatist,
I’ve read several of your comments. You GET IT! We’re arguing until our eyes fall out, with psychotic, obsessed, addicted, delusion, narcissistic, sociopathic, psychopathic, TERMINALLY PHOBIC, DEMONIC CUCKOO CLOCKS, with OCD, ADD, ADHD, Bipolar, Borderline, Passive Agressive, HISTRIONIC and Anti-Social Personality Disorders(ON THEIR BEST DAZE!)
Sad thing is…TOO many people on the right, seem to LOVE jousting with them, for leisure and entertainment. They don’t know how close they are to the guillotine, or crucifix. Bad, VERY BAD!
Sexular-Subhuman-Obsessive-Regressives…EWES STFU! But, have a NICE DAY WHILE YOU’RE AT IT!
Two Progressives Of Antiquity…Judas, Then Dennis(SEE LINQUE)
Judas Iscariot was the first Lying, Thieving, Murderous Liberal…WHO CARED ABOUT THE POOER..* Dennis CARED ABOUT FAIRNESS.*** (Dennis, there’s some lovely filth down here.)
We, who follow Jesus, are akin to Lazarus.**
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+12
John 12 (New International Version – UK)
Jesus Anointed at Bethany
1 Six days before the Passover, Jesus arrived at Bethany, where Lazarus lived, whom Jesus had raised from the dead.
2 Here a dinner was given in Jesus’ honour. Martha served, while Lazarus was among those reclining at the table with him.
3 Then Mary took about a pint of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus’ feet and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.
* 4 But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected,
5 Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages.
6 He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.
7 Leave her alone, Jesus replied. It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial.
8 You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.
** 9 Meanwhile a large crowd of Jews found out that Jesus was there and came, not only because of him but also to see Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead.
10 So the chief priests made plans to kill Lazarus as well,
11 for on account of him many of the Jews were going over to Jesus and putting their faith in him.
http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-dict.html NEWSPEAK-POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
Let’s keep pacifying, appeasing and placating these Demonic Touch Holes.
doublethink – Reality Control. The power to hold two completely contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accept both of them. An excellent example of doublethink in modern society is the war on drugs. If you ask people their opinion on alcohol prohibition in the 1920s, most people would agree that it was a complete failure. People agree that it only caused more crime, it made gangsters rich, it corrupted politicians, and most importantly … it didn’t keep people from drinking.
Yet, we have almost the exact same situation today with war on drugs, yet most people think that our modern prohibition is a good idea … and more than that, they believe that anybody that thinks that the war on drugs isn’t a good idea must be completely out of their minds. In order for a person to be effective at doublethink, they must master the art of crimestop.
Sad thing is, I believe the owner of this site, is a Libertarian. Another Newspeak site was pimping for Dr. Feelgood Ron Paul. Moral people aren’t licentious Bounders and Libertines.
A little So Crates action here.
I believe that Whittaker Chambers may have been Winston Smith, in 1984.
Chambers described himself as a “Radical Christian.” He said…Man without mysticism is a monster.
The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected, in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity. more John Quincy Adams quotes
The Christian missionary may preach the gospel to the poor naked heathen, but the spiritual heathen who populate Europe have as yet heard nothing of Christianity. Carl Jung
Vices are their own punishment. more Aesop quotes
(Homosexuality and other sex addiction, Gray Flower Children STILL smoking pot, etc.)
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/carl_jung.html
Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the narcotic be alcohol or morphine or IDEALISM(LEFTISM.)
Carl Jung(WHO?)
Renewable energy crazy talk? Insane? Nutty?
You mean like transferring our nations wealth to Saudi Arabia and spending billions on senseless, endless wars and polluting our nation as the alternative? duh…let me think…
Ill take crazy thank you very much. The forces of “No” must come out from their shells someday and discover the 21st century…at least we hope.
The choices are simple, think backwards or forwards…..time, and the planet demand it !!!
Pathetic Pooer Citizen Of The Planet (Brotherhood Of Man/Communism.)
http://www.nevilleawards.com/liberalmind.shtml
What the liberal mind is passionate about is a world filled with
pity, sorrow, neediness, misfortune, poverty, suspicion, mistrust,
anger, exploitation, discrimination, victimization, alienation and
injustice.
Those who occupy this world are “workers,” “minorities,” “the little
guy,” “women,” and the “unemployed.”
They are poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed,
disenfranchised, exploited and victimized. They bear no
responsibility for their problems.
None of their agonies are attributable to faults or failings of their
own: not to poor choices, bad habits, faulty judgment, wishful thinking,
lack of ambition, low frustration tolerance, mental illness or
defects in character.
Bankrupting the country for a scheme that not only doesn’t work but has been shown to be a failure every time it’s been tried is the definition of nutty.
Then again, liberals do it time and time again.
you do mean republicans don’t you? like the whole “free market” thing while we’re quickly being outpaced by countries like china that are ACTUALLY partially socialist
Um…I like peanut butter, can you skate?
You lose the argument, the second you start calling people stupid idiots.
It’s called, CEREBRAL NARCISSISM!
Please lube the propeller on your beanie with Soybean Oil.
Don’t look know, but China’s economy is in the process of imploding.
Secondly, as has been pointed out time and time again, it’s easier to play catchup than it is to lead.
Simple thought experiment. Which results in a greater economic benefit.
1) A farmer replacing a water bufallo with a 1960′s era tractor.
2) A farmer replacing a 1960′s era tractor with a 2010 model and selling the 1960′s tractor to some guy with a water bufallo.
If you answered #1, then you get to go to the head of the class.
BTW, most of China’s farmers still use water bufallos.
Not that it needs saying, but capitalism has never failed.
Socialism/communism has never succeeded.
MTG,
BINGO, my FRIEND!
Why do you think there are 2 gazillion pages in our tax code, and just as many if not more on Cuban Health Care? http://www.therealcuba.com/
We in AmeriKa are up to our noses in EVIL, and we’re getting ready to distribute snorkels…or not.
Sorry you took my little prods personally, they weren’t intended that way.
I do believe that your message would be more effective if it were shorter.
Mark,
My style is my style. We’re on the same side. I think your nic is a little silly. Viva la difference. Go Team, Go!
Trollscum
Mark,
Sameness, SUCKS! Libs Live and Die to be part of the BLEATING HERD!
I got tossed out of The Village Of The Damned, in Divorce Court, in 1992.
I divorced my wife for threatening to kill me with my own rifle.
Last week, I found my daughter Holly, one of the group pages. I’ve not seen, her face in 19 years. I cried for 2 hours. Holly’s mum was molested by her paternal Poppy, when she was 5, as her parents were in college, to be Holy Educators.
Lucky me.
I’ve not been able to locate my 22 year old, son, Ken. Li’l Genie told my young sis-in-law, Trish, just before she wigged out on me…I hate Ken, he reminds me of Trollscum! I think the rabid bat I’d been married to, has hurt my beautiful little boy.
Being the tenacious SOB, that I am, I also found Holly’s lying Uncle Jim, who had her stay at his home through high school, less than 80 miles from me. I have e-mailed the little skunk, thusly;*(obviously, I’m only putting in 1st names to protect the effing GUILTY.)
Please stop critiquing my comments. You are not my coach, mother, boss or soul mate. Ignore me, if I bother you. Stop being a Libtard.
*Hey Jimmy,
I remember Li’l Genie gave you a Tee shirt…LET’S HUG…You were thrilled.
Remember Susan Smith? Turned her Mazda into a little submarine with her two babies aboard, to keep them away from her husband, DAVID? Her stepfather BEVERLY(I shit you not,) molested her when she was 13. Of course she blamed the murders on the Black Boody Men.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100514/world/us_river_rescue
Fri May 14, 6:30 PM
By Jennifer Peltz, The Associated Press
NEW YORK, N.Y. – An unhappy mother hurled her toddler daughter into the chilly Hudson River and then jumped in herself in an apparent murder-suicide attempt intended to spite her husband, prosecutors said Friday.
Dispirited after a few years of moving around the United States because of her husband’s job, Devi Silvia told relatives she wanted to go back to her native India with her 19-month old daughter shortly before the river plunge Tuesday, Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Robert Hettleman said.
Later, “she told us that she was sad and lonely and angry at her husband, and that she did this horrific act on purpose,” he said as she was arraigned on attempted murder and other charges.
Silvia told a detective “she threw her infant daughter into the river and wanted to die to hurt her husband,” according to a criminal complaint.
You always hated it when I told you about Adult Child issues. I’m getting the picture, clear as a bell. If a person is overcome by evil, she will defend the lie to her death.
TTFN,
Beatdead Dad
OK, so my first name is David…I make mistakes sometimes. I’m not that GREAT!
Heloooooooo! Anybody HOME? Forget personalities and styles. This WAR is not about YOU or ME. It’s about EVIL. Comment on THIS!* It’s the SAME FRIKKING THING as GLOW BALL WARNING, ONLY WORSER!
Why do you think there are 2 gazillion pages in our tax code, and just as many if not more on Cuban Health Care?* http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
Please respond to what I post, apologize, if you are going to continue to splain WHY you choose to offended me, or TAKE A BUS!
what a silly, simple-minded article. just because you can’t picture the alternatives does not mean they don’t exist.
@markthegreat you’re an idiot the republicans bankrupted the country with no regulation on financial markets, especially derivatives
A Liberal Simpleton describing something as “simple minded.” That’s RICH!
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Now, GO AWAY, OR I SHALL TAUNT YOU A SECOND TIME, YOU EMPTY HEADED ANIMAL FOOD TROUGH WIPER…KNNNNNNIGGGGETTT!
My sweetie wants me to switch to Decaf…I WOULD DIE FIRST!
Typical leftwing nonsense.
Banking and financial are one of the most heavily regulated industries in the country.
Only someone who has no idea what they are talking about would refer to the banking industry as being unregulated.
As to who’s bankrupting the country, the deficit has increased by a factor of 4 since Bush left office. Bush’s deficits were falling fast until the Democrats took over congress in 2006.
Not that you care about reality. We can picture alternatives. The problems is that they have all been shown to be complete failures.
Sort of like your economic systems.
Oil, America’s Lifeblood
As British Petroleum’s Deepwater Horizon continues to gush millions of gallons of crude oil into the waters of the Gulf of Mexico, the temptation to ban deep sea drilling for oil now and forevermore is growing.
None of BP’s fixes for this catastrophe have had any appreciable effect on stopping it, oil slicks seem everywhere, tar balls have hit the pristine beaches of Key West and may head up the Atlantic seacoast. The spill promises to exceed the ecological impact of the Exxon Valdez in 1989 and possibly exceed the gross volume of all oil spills in history.
It seems like an environmental Armageddon and Greenpeace, other environmental whacko groups, and green politicians must be mobilizing for an all-out effort to pre-empt any future, similar disasters by agitating for a cessation of all off-shore drilling just as they have campaigned against on-shore drilling.
The chief problem with that approach . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1690)
Liberals are INCAPABLE OF SEEING REALITY AND THE TRUTH, ON ANY TOPIC!
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
Look at what they just shoved in every opening on our bodies, and created several new ones.
They’re People Of The Lie. Ever won an argument with a Lib? http://www.narcissisticabuse.com/evil.html
EVIL;
No one wants to talk about it. But if they do, the talk is of Hitler, torturers, child rapists(Christians, Dad, Male Genitals, FOOD, MEAT, CARS, GOD, PEOPLE WITH MONEY, ET AL.
To an Atheist, POLITICS IS HER RELIGION!
Is it evil to belittle, denigrate, scapegoat, and make fun of someone until they are demoralized, subjugated, and traumatized? Is the verbal and emotional abuser who keeps his victim in suspense and fear an evil person? Is the person with the need to control others evil?
According to Peck, most of us view a situation in light of how we are affected by it and only as an afterthought do we stop to consider how it might affect others involved; we do eventually consider the viewpoint of the other.
Not so those who are evil. Theirs is a brand of narcissism so total that they seem to lack this capacity for empathy…. We can see then, that their narcissism makes the evil dangerous not only because it motivates them to scapegoat others, but also because it deprives them of the restraint that results from empathy and respect for others….The evil need victims to sacrifice to their narcissism, their narcissism permits them to ignore the humanity of their victims as well. ..The blindness of the narcissist to others can extend beyond a lack of empathy; narcissists may not “see” others at all. (WE DON’T EVEN EXIST, TO THESE VERMIN.)
Our trying to tell a Commilib, that 911 was NOT THE FAULT OF LITTLE EICHMANS(WHATEVER THE BLEEP THOSE ARE,) and that there is a GLOBAL JIHAD IN PROGRESS, IS AKIN TO TRYING TO CONVINCE ME THAT THERE IS NO SUPREME BEING. IT CANNOT BE DONE.
So, you have to DEFEAT them. I didn’t kill anybody on this blog today, all I did was to get a couple of the foaming at the mouth, female dogs, to stop howling, barking at and biting me. That’s all you have to do. It’s not easy, and it drains a person. We are fighting against Evil.
Ain’t I SPATIAL? Well, yes I am, thank you. I’m a RIGHT BRAINED person, so I’m big into pictures. I can’t tell somebody how to get someplace. I have to draw him a map.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
We don’t have any pictures of the idiocy of the sky falling, OH MY, or not one tree left in the universe, causing Cheryl The Crow, to use one square of TP to wipe with.
This link is a REAL HORROR STORY…How can we even let Mankey Mooer, show his fat ugly face, let alone make the narwahl into a gazillionaire? Scuze me, but WTF, are we THINKING? http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh205/dishmael_bucket/Oinkey.gif
The pig actually has a roll of fat on the bridge of its nose, in her high school pic…How long did it take her to get her hair just right?
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They ALL insult us and our intelligence with every motion, thought, written word, song, and whatever else falls out of their perpetually moving yaps.
Time to toughen up, folks. The lot of them, are hysterical little 7 year old girls.
Renewable energy? Energy can be neither created or destroyed. Physics 101.
Who Would Jesus Bomb? I Hope He Would Start With EWE, You (see linque)
Gutless F***ing EUNUCH-KILLER CLOWN FROM OUTER SPACE!
My Fellow American ADULTS…Please stop molly coddling, pacifying, placating and being cowed by depraved, hypersexualized, AGRARIAN ORGANIC MULCH WORSHIPING, demonic cuckoo clocks. I BEG OF YOU!
I’m guessing that more than 99.9 of you have pretty good VISION.
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What happens inside your head, when you see suicidal lunatics such as these?
I want to KILL them, before they can cause the death of our precious military people, and AID OUR MORTAL ENEMIES, TO KILL ME!
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This little pet of the Femarxists, I don’t want to kill. He’s dead already.
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These Satanic Phucs…A couple of flourishes with an Uzi on Full Auto…
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I lost half a dozen wonderful GAY friends to the epidemic of AIDS in the early 80s. They didn’t act like these monster, or they wouldn’t have been friends.
Western Society has been ROTTING LIKE DEAD FISH, SINCE THE NEO MARXIST/STALINIST/MAOIST COUP OF 1968.
http://www.dadi.org/hysteria.htm
An intriguing analogue to the feminist hysteric is the homosexual activist. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM), within the hysterical context, has also said that “in both sexes overt behavior is often a caricature of femininity.”
Jack Bauer is a fictional character. I wish Keifer would take Jack’s persona and RUN FOR PRESIDENT! Sadly, there is not a living soul who is a tenth of the MAN, Jack is. We B Phucked..
Billie Moyers, Chrissie Matthews, Mankey Mooer, Jimma Hassan Carter, Keithie Odorman, Hairless Reid.
START BY DEPORTING EVERY MIDDLE EASTERN MAN WHOSE VISA HAS EXPIRED OR IS HERE ILLEGALLY.
JUST SAY NO, TO HYSTERIA!
I’ve opened a discussion on Saq Be(see linque) Organization for Mayan and Indigenous Spiritual Studies.
Everybody is IN LOVE withe EVERY religion in the world, except Christianity and Judaism.
People are suffocation in “Sweat Lodges,” to commune with Ancient Spirits Of Chief Thunder Thud, who practiced Human Effing Sacrifice and Cannibalism.
JUST TURN ON THE BLEEPING LIGHTS, PEOPLE!
So I opened my own thread as Braindead Troll, and this is my last message. So far, nobody has SCREAMED at me, or NUKED me;
I’m not going to look it up, but on my Facebook wall, I recounted where I saw ancient human blood from sacrifice at, Sacrifice Rock, in Bournedale, MA, when I was 12 or 13.
When I was a kid they told us in school about this(THE TRUTH,) and we went up with our Schwinns and Huffys. Weather couldn’t get in… and sho nuff, there were pools of dried red stuff.
Mary Lynn and Robbie…Friends I’d not seen in over 40 years said they’d been to the rock in 2009 and, YEP, it’s STILL there. Mary Lynn wrote….EWWWWWWWW…
The town Chamber Of Commerce…Prints in its PC brochure…The Indigenous People LEFT TWIGS AND FLOWERS AS THEIR “SACRIFICES!”
Political Correctness is Newspeak from 1984, and the Dogma of Satan.
Sorry about the typos, I’m watching Law and Order. I LOVE Mariska Hargitay…Jane Mansfield and Mickey Hargitay’s daughter. Babe To The Tenth!
PJM, You are watching my life unfold in Realtime(Newspeak.)
I’ve had to ask permission, my whole life to…Stand over HERE? How High? Right Here On The Floor? And, I RE EFFING FUSE to do it. And I PAY AND PAY!
I CANNOT BE BIPARTIZAN!
The movie “Groundhog Day,” Poor Bill Murray keeps repeating the same day over and over.
I’m in, “Invasion Of The Body Snatcher/Night Of The Living Dead.” And, SO IS WESTERN CIV!
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I Need Permission To Live And To FIGHT BACK After Having My Character Assassinated, And… My Two Beautiful Children, Kidnapped…
If people who’ve known and loved(?) me for about 33 years, cannot STAND BY ME, then WHO?
This is the mindset that just erected The Obamessiah. AMERICA IS BAD! MEN ARE BAD! CHRISTIANS, JEWS AND ISRAEL ARE BAD! WAR IS BAD AND ICKY AND ANGRY AND VIOLENT!
So, since being exsanguinated in the Satanic Femarxist Abbatoir of DIVORCE COURT, NOT ONE SOUL HAS STOOD BY ME, WITHOUT SNIFFING…WHELL, YOU HAD YOUR PART IN IT…DON’T SAY YOU DIDN’T!
Mine is not the EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. IT IS THE RULE! BIG MOMMY RULES!
It’s great to show people the utter depravity, idiocy and degenerate lunacy of the LEFT, IT’S ANOTHER THING TO FRIGGIN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Innocence and EVIL
First, is Holly. My sweet child, whom I just discovered on classmates, after 19 years…Being told…Daddy is going to KILL YOU WITH A KNIFE, IN THIS TIME.
I got this from her baby brother in a Checkpoint Charley, FEMARXIST VISITATION CENTER, IN 1992.
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I had asked the FACILITATOR/PERPETRATOR of the CHILDREN’S VISITATION CENTER IN BROCKTON…PK, AND OF THE ABUSE BOWL, IN 1993, Could I please go to my car to get my Swiss Army knife, to scrape the plastic pieces to the MODEL, this asshole had given to me for my 3 year old baby boy, to help put it together.
David Horowitz, hasn’t faced as many evil people in his life.
And, the Lovely but Lethal Sarah Buel, Man Eater Extra Ordinaire, who was buds with PK in the HOAX, that was the Abuse Bowl of 1993 (Search Engine, if you don’t believe me.)
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Sorry, Mark The Frickin Great…Truth takes up a little space. BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED…The absolute Satanic Hysteria around the hatred of God and Dad, has been around, longer than anything from The Left, except for…Suicidal Pacifism/Cowardice, and hatred of America.
http://geneva.rutgers.edu/src/faq/feminist-myths.txt
“According to [the] last March of Dimes report, domestic violence (vs.
pregnant women) is now responsible for more birth defects than all other
causes combined. Personally [this] strikes me as the most disgusting piece
of data I’ve seen in a long while.” This was, indeed, unsettling news. But
it seemed implausible. I asked my neighbor, a pediatric neurologist at Boston’s Children’s Hospital, about the report. He told me that although severe battery may occasionally cause miscarriage, he had never heard of battery as a significant cause of birth
defects.
I called the March of Dimes to get a copy of the report. Maureen Corry,
director of the March’s Education and Health Promotion Program, denied any
knowledge of it. “We have never seen this research before,” she said. I did
a search and found that – study or no study – journalists around the
country were citing it.
Domestic violence is the leading cause of birth defects, more than all
other medical causes combined, according to a March of Dimes study. (Boston
Globe, Sep. 2, 1991).
Especially grotesque is the brutality reserved for pregnant women: the
March of Dimes has concluded that the battering of women during pregnancy
causes more birth defects than all the diseases put together for which
children are usually immunized. (Time Magazine, Jan. 18, 1993)
The March of Dimes has concluded that the battering of women during
pregnancy causes more birth defects than all the diseases put together for
which children are usually immunized. (Dallas Morning News, Feb. 7, 1993.)
I called the March of Dimes again. Andrea Ziltzer of their media-relations
department told me that the rumor was spinning out of control. Governors’
offices, state health departments, and Washington politicians had flooded
the office with phone calls. Even the office of Senator Edward Kennedy had
requested a copy of the “report.”
When I finally reached Jeanne McDowell, who had written the Time article,
the first thing she was, “That was an error.” She sounded genuinely sorry
and embarrassed. She explained that she is always careful about checking
sources, but this time, for some reason, she had not. Time has since called
the March of Dimes to apologize. An official retraction finally appeared in the magazine on December 6, 1993, under the heading “Inaccurate Information.”
I asked Miss McDowell about her source. She had relied on information given
her by the San Francisco Family VIolence Prevention Fund, which had
obtained it from Sarah Buel, a founder of the domestic-violence advocacy
project at Harvard Law School. She in turn had obtained it from Caroline
Whitehead, a maternal nurse and child-care specialist in Raleigh, North
Carolina. I called Miss Whitehead.
“It blows my mind. It is not true,” she said. The whole thing began, she
explained, when she introduced Sarah Buel as a speaker at a 1989 conference
for nurses and social workers. In presenting her, Miss Whitehead mentioned
that according to some March of Dimes research she has seen, more women are
screened for birth defects than are ever screened for domestic battery.
Miss Whitehead had said nothing at all about battery causing birth defects.
“Sarah misunderstood me,” she said. Miss Buel went on to put the erroneous
information into a manuscript which was then circulated among
family-violence professionals. They saw no reason to doubt its
authenticity.
I called Sarah Buel and told her that it seemed she had misheard Caroline
Whitehead. She was surprised. “Oh, I must have misunderstood her. I’ll have
to give her a call. She is my source.” She thanked me for having informed
her of the error, pointing out that she had been about to repeat it yet
again in a new article.
Where Were the Skeptics?
WHY WAS everybody so credulous? Battery responsible for more birth defects
than all other causes combined? More than genetic disorders such as spina
bifida, Down syndrome, Tay-Sachs, sickle-cell anemia? More than all these
things combined? Where were the fact-checkers, the editors, the skeptical
journalists?
People, supposidly on MY SIDE, you sit there and hold your breath. It’s been going on forever…I’m not going to get involved…It takes 2 to TANGLE. Whell, there ARE men who are monsters(ALL OF US.)Where there’s smoke. Whell, that’s YOUR side of the story, I wonder what your VICTIM has to say about it. I KNOW, that I DON’T BEAT MY WIFE AND RAPE MY CHILDREN, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES, ETC.
One of the definitions of Evil, goes thusly…In spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, the Evil will defend the lie TO THEIR DEATHS!
Innocence seldom utters OUTRAGED SHRIEKS, GUILT DOES! Whittaker Chambers, probably the first Communist, to turn HUMAN, in American history.
Here’s The KO PUNCH, Waterloo, Nagasaki. END OF THE WAR/W/UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER/AFTER DEFEATING EVIL! GET READY!
Bumper Stinker in Gayvermont…WELL AT LEAST THE WAR ON THE NVIREMINT(phonetically) IS GOING WELL!
Well, Suzie Sunshine, TWO can play at that childish game…
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And, for you “Middle Of The Roaders,” out there, who FEEL that ISLAM is better than Chrisianity, I just may appeal to EWE.
This is a fairly recent photo of me, just before I found out I had WONDERFUL PC illness AIDS, and got run over by a Hummer, driven by Sarah Palin(Caribou Barbie) with two moose on the hood. I LOST BOFE MY LEGS, and am in a wheel chair! http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh205/dishmael_bucket/GehTerrorist.jpg
PJM People…You’ve been marvelous.
I’m not a pseudo intellectual. I’m a pretty smart guy who has a near photographic memory.
Most pin headed/godless geniuses through history, LOATHE HUMANITY. HG Wells, comes to mind, as well as Jacques Cousteau. Anyway, Wells described himself as a LIBERAL FASCIST, before Leftists began using the word, to slur us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSVCOU1cw4k&feature=player_embedded
In this clip from The Time Machine, Rod Taylor has just discovered that the MORLOCK/FUNDIE/PATRIARCHAL/(LISTENING, AWNA?)/CEO/BOURJOIS/FATCATS, were breeding Peaceful/Hippie/Flower Children like CHATTLE, to EAT THEM!(LOOK AT THE RESEMBLENCE OF THE ELOY TO HIPPIES. THE MOVIE WAS MADE IN 1960. Predates Hippiness, by at least a half decade.)
AND, a guy I just happened to find tonight on the Tube…Tommy Tiernan, who seems to be the ANTI-PC. I nearly had to call 911, I laughed so hard. OMG!
THERE’S HOPE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY4k0zW6rpM
Men, if you cannot laugh at Tommy Tiernan, YOU, MY FRIENDS, NEED TO SEE YOUR DOC TO GET SOME T PATCHES. THEY DO EXIST!
Femarxists…I HOPE THIS PUSHES YOU RIGHT OFF THE DEEP END, FURTHER!
Not that anybody cares…Why Braindead Trollscum?
It’s about the dumbest thing anybody has ever called me, so I use it to take my REAL moniker(usually 4merly_a_person) off the table for these little Unicorn Jockeys
This is from my link for this comment. The second screed, I’m sure is in reference to SOME goofy Christians, who believe the world to be about ten thousand years old. The little twink flaming me, also had a thing about COWBOYS. And, of course a shot at the much maligned Sarah.
Please note,* this ambulating organic mulch pile had read something I posted to somebody else, the previous day, and went off like a bottle rocket on me. It’s a KEEPER!
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No 4merly_a_ape much like some of the real old growth forest some trees, like some people, can not be saved or in fact should be saved. While I am not a tree hugger I do realize that they make the air that we breath(sic) and that without them man could not survive.
Listen 4merly_a_human try not to step in any dinosaur dung while you go about your day it really can mess your cowboy boots. And try not to think to hard cause ya know how that hurts. Did you get your Sarah pinup poster yet? You betcha I got mine.
Here’s the original B-T bit of lunacy to yours truly, from a little goofball on Alternet, ULTRA LEFT WING BLOG COMPANY. I’ve since been vaporized. I’m Lightingman on in this ATTACK.
Hippie Love…to me…Lightingman…Eugene Debs sponsered(sic) by the Church of the presumptious(sic) assumption says(squeals shrieks and bellows):
*LightningMORON Please PLEASE kill yourself. Do so BEFORE you breed. Our gene pool cant take much more of your level of abject stupidity
LightingMORON, Go FCUK yourself you pathetic braindead trollscum. Just set yourself on fire. You are so stupid you will never be anything but a burden for decent human beings.
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It frightens me to death, that you people on the Right defer to these absolutely maniacle Demonic Cuckoo Clocks, over me, 99% of the time. Letting them go on and on and on like this, just enables them, to NEVER look into the mirror of their souls(BT waxes philosophic.)
At least, once I flatten one of them, I’ve taken her off the battlefield, for a few minutes, anyway.
The new guillotines are going to be splendid, and very high tech, as well as Stainless Steel crucifixes. NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN!
John McCain, Super Human…Beaten down by Evil, for as long as he was in the Satanic Hanoi Hilton. Always wanted to be president. Rejected Light, became a Warmist…Reached across the aisle. They TOLERATED him for about 20 minutes. Until he got the nomination. Then, into a chipper shredder, as ALL Repubs end up.
The most inspiring thing Mr. McCain said was…Who will stand by me and FIGHT?ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz NOBODY, JOHN! FIGHTING IS YUCKY! CHILL, DUDE!
And for Mitt Romney, Mr. Universal Health Care, in GAYFEMARXACHEWSHITS(MY HOME STATE, REGRETTABLY.) Mr. Romney, stop trying to get Leftists to LIKE YOU. They loathe you for your FAITH, more than anything else.
I’d rather have a God hater in the White House than a Morman, You?
Last comment for a bit. I’m headed over to my sweetheart’s. Her grand daughter’s 6th birthday.
Reporting Evil may help you think that somebody Shivs A Git. These MONSTERS are in charge.
From a Christian publication…For example, a state agency called the NKVD was watching those applauding that day to see who might be secretly opposing Josef and His IDEAL SOCIETY. The first ones to cease applauding and sit down were identified as INDEPENDENT THINKERS, a danger to the STATE. Many went to prison, some were executed. All in the name of a PERFECT SOCIETY(UTOPIA) that would eliminate PAIN AND SUFFERING.(BY KILLING US, WHO DON’T WISH TO BE PART OF THE HERD/SWARM OR WHO’VE BEEN SUMMARILY BOOTED OUT.)
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