The Hidden Costs of Jew-Baiting in England
London is an amazing place, full of vitality, intensity, foreign tourists and residents, a patchwork of pluralism. Talk to the average person, and nothing seems amiss: this cab driver, having driven in London for 40 years, sees no significant change in the neighborhoods he travels through; this financier sees no signs of intimidation; this shopper, this tavern-hopper, this man on the bus, lives in an interesting and relatively normal world. A superficial walk through the [Regent’s] park gives the distinct sense of normality.
But talk to the Jews, and you get a different story. The International Association of Jewish Lawyers and Jurists held a conference here this week. The topic: Democratic and Legal Norms in an Age of Terror. Panels discussed everything from the Goldstone Report, to the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) movement, to “universal jurisdiction” (lawfare against Israelis brought in foreign courts). Here, in the Khalili Lecture Theatre of the SOAS (School for Oriental and African Studies), Jewish lawyers discussed a grim reality whose only public appearance on an everyday basis is the drumbeat of calumny that a boisterous elite — NGOs, journalists, academics — rain down on Israel.
Perhaps the most startling of the sessions concerned the BDS movement. Jonathan Rynhold, from the BESA Center at Bar Ilan, and Anthony Julius, author of Trials of the Diaspora: A History of Anti-Semitism in England, both presented a picture of British anti-Zionist activity whose intellectual and moral foundations were profoundly irrational, a dogmatic will to stigmatize and destroy Israel that responded to no argument about proportion (what about other places?) or reason (you make no moral demands of the Palestinians). And behind that lies a much weightier volume of negative feeling, a kind of unthinking animosity that expressed itself in its most banal form when a woman explained to Julius: “We all know why the Jews are hated: you marry among yourselves and live in ghettos like Golders Green and Vienna [sic].” In so doing, she put her finger on the most widespread subtext for hostility to Jews – “they think they’re the chosen people.”
Daniel Eilon, an English barrister, explained to me one of the mechanisms. It isn’t real anti-Semitism. In fact, most of the stuff that comes out against Israel is intellectually hopeless — phony narratives based on fantasy “facts.” This is really just good old-fashioned Jew-baiting. It’s saying things in all righteous innocence that you know will hurt the Jews to whom you address the criticism. The problem for the Brits (and the Europeans in general), he pointed out, is that historically, there’s never been a particularly high price to pay for Jew-baiting. Now there is.
What my friend referred to with this last remark is lucidly analyzed by Robin Shepherd in his recent book, A State Beyond the Pale: Europe’s Problem with Israel. The elephant in the room, of course, is radical Islam — the people who interpret being “chosen” by Allah as a charter to dominate the world and submit everyone, willingly or not, to Islam. They’re the people no one dares bait; and they’re the folks who take full advantage of every deference to press for more. Daily aggressions from violent gangs constantly expand the territories where the Queen’s writ does not run. In tempo with the retreat of British law and enforcement, Sharia advances from internal community affairs (explicitly on the model of Jewish religious courts) towards the policing of community boundaries and claims on the state for special treatment. The British — like so many other Western nations –mainstream the extremists and marginalize the moderates. As Nick Cohen put it: “The world faces a psychotic movement and won’t admit it to themselves.”
A documentary filmmaker reveals a double assault on freedom of speech: on the one hand, everyone is terrified of peers calling them Islamophobes; and on the other, anyone who does something negative on Islam puts his or her life in danger. When I respond animatedly to her point, she looks around nervously and signals for me to lower my voice. How often did my British informants tell me in hushed tones about being intimidated!
News agencies send their journalists to special courses in self-defense for how to deal with hostile situations. How much of this responds to the pervasive dangers of doing journalism in Muslim countries, and how often does it come up in those areas where the Queen’s writ does not run? One such journalist who works for the BBC reports that when a mob turns ugly, they are told to stand back to back, palms open, pointing down and out — a posture of non-threat, but also one of subjection.
And of course, the best protection is positive coverage. Most of the time, “but we’re from the BBC” works to allay Muslim hostility: it’s code for “we’re on your side.” But for some crowds, even that’s not enough.
The result of this pervasive intimidation that comes from both peers and enemies is a body politic that feels no pain. Like a victim of CIP (congenital insensitivity to pain), the British public receives only vague hints of the assaults on its body. A widespread omerta operates in the mainstream news media, guaranteeing that many, if not most aggressions go unreported, or in a code — Asian street gangs — that only those looking for clues will notice. Aggregator sites online offer deeply disturbing collections of news items.
As a result, Brits look away while their Muslim communities are taken over by fascist zealots who enforce dress and behavior codes, who silence dissent, and who mobilize a resentful youth with violent hatreds. For these men, infidels are by definition guilty, deserving rape and lethal assault, as part of Allah’s justice. Douglas Murray’s study of twenty-seven Muslims, targeted by zealots, reveals the workings of a community hijacked by thugs.
The trials and tribulations of Afshan Azad, the Bengali Muslim-born actress in the Harry Potter films, beaten and threatened with death by her family, illustrate the depth of the community pressures. Her brothers’ failures to bring her to heel (or kill her) endanger their lives: “We are going to get trouble from the community now. It is bad news for our safety, her safety. My younger brother is going to get harassed at college. All our family is going to be harassed by the community because of this.” The tribal community rules, even in college.
So while a large and growing population falls under the grip of a Mafioso culture with an imperialist ideology of world conquest, the British look away. The “prestigious” London School of Economics disinvited Douglas Murray from speaking, lest his presence provoke violence. Paralyzed by an inability to discuss the problem, they become a train-wreck in slow motion. The lavish expenses that the government has paid out to immigrant families, which has at once increased their numbers and stilled their rage, is now run out. Budget cuts of up to 40% across the board will only exacerbate the frictions, and if the government pours money into appeasing the Muslims, they will alienate the British working class losing their benefits.
Which brings us back to Jew-baiting. As Shepherd explains in his chapter on Islam in Europe, this is a European-wide phenomenon that is directly related to the fear of criticizing Muslims. Anti-Zionism is the key extremist discourse by which jihadis radicalize communities and mobilize warriors for Allah’s armies. The disturbing figures for how many British Muslims support terror, think Muslims did not commit either 9-11 or 7-7, think the law should punish people who insult Islam, and think that apostates from Islam should die should not be read the way we read political polls in the West. These minorities are the dominant voices in their communities, if only because they use their terror tactics against fellow Muslims far more readily than against outsiders.
So while their enemies advance, the British elites are like deer in the headlights, incapable of speaking up for even their own principles of free speech and tolerance. Intimidated into silence about Muslims, somehow, they find their voice in denouncing the “real” genocidal evil empire: Israel. Thus some wax eloquent, like the Methodists with their thinly-disguised, resentful supersessionism; and others wax violent, like the anti-Zionist vandals, who damaged hundreds of thousands of pounds of property and got off scott free to the cheers of a Green MP.
Of course, every sin these brave ideologues accuse Israel of committing is done a thousand-fold by the very people who generate their demonizing narrative — the radical Muslims. It is these zealots who interpret their chosenness as a warrant to rape and massacre, to dominate and humiliate infidels. They are the toxic communitarians who believe in their side right or wrong, to the death — not the Jews, who can’t stop publicly beating their breasts about all their sins. Indeed, one of the mysterious factors in this madness is the role played by Jewish anti-Zionists, who, in Julius’ memorable phrase, are “proud to be ashamed to be Jewish.”
Instead of taking note of such sobering perspectives, Western anti-Zionists shy away from the dangerous and painful but legitimate and necessary criticism of Muslim radicals. They prefer the easy, cost-free baiting of any Jew proud enough to feel that his or her own people deserve a state. Instead of turning to the Muslims and saying “why can’t you express a fraction of the self-criticism of the Zionists?” they prefer to repeat the most toxic accusations against the Jews and claim: “I’m not saying anything that Jews haven’t said.”
They are the true Islamophobes — afraid to criticize Islam, eager to join in its chorus of hatred.
And in this act of demission before the Islamist challenge, British opinion makers and shapers also submit to their own bullies, their own zealots who push the Jew-baiting beyond the weekend sport of the salons, into the professional arena of anti-Zionist activism. When the founders of Hamas in 1988 penned their genocidal charter that explicitly targeted all infidels, little did they suspect that within twenty years, those infidels would chant “We are Hamas!” in the streets of London. Who could hope for a more useful infidel than that?
In the European past, Jew-baiting may have seemed relatively cost-free. After all, humiliate a Jew and the worst he’ll do is hector you. Sure, sometimes the sport got out of hand, and killing Jews en masse, or forcing them to convert, or kicking them out may have deeply damaged the economy and empowered repressive forces, like the Inquisition, to go after other religious dissidents. But who really noticed?
Today, however, the situation has changed dramatically because Europe doesn’t just run the risk of internal failure, but getting vanquished by an implacable and merciless foe. By failing to denounce toxic Muslim communitarianism and instead adopting its shrill discourse of demonization about Jews, Brits feed the monster that devours them. If it continues apace, if the British do not make Muslim civility towards Jews the shibboleth of assimilation to a free and democratic culture, they risk losing that civil polity entirely. As always with real anti-Semites, the Jews are only their first target.
Can Britain wake up in time? And if and when it does, can it swallow the painful price of giving up its addiction to Jew-baiting? Or will it be, as some close observers think, the first country in Europe to succumb to Islamism? Walking through the delightful streets of London, watching a brilliant performance of Henry IV Part II at the reconstituted Globe Theatre, passing by a multi-cultural mass of dancers by the embankment at night, viewing the vibrant energy of the city, one has little clue to the problem.
Or is watching this joyful celebration akin to seeing a fat man with a serious cholesterol problem dine on his deep-fried fish-and-chips and wash down those tasty truffles of moral Schadenfreude that so grieve the Jews and comfort the resentful?






The explosive book, Eurabia, exhaustively researched by Bat Ye’or is a must read for those willing to lift the scales from their eyes,thus willing to understand how and why Europe has fallen off its axis. Once digested, I implore one and all to read Oriana Fallaci’s preeminent works, The Rage & The Pride, written in ‘response’ to 9/11/01,and Force of Reason, written in 2006. Her final masterpiece, The Apocalypse, was written before her recent death(may her memory be for a blessing)and we should forever be in her debt.
For all her efforts, for her clarion calls for the west to awaken before it is too late, Fallaci was vilified, tarred and feathered, and painted as the ultimate villain to ‘enlightened’ masses. To understand how and why Europe has essentially fallen to Muslim subjugation, and eventually the US will too, (if progressive, leftists, marxists are not stopped) one must first understand the tenets of the above works.
On a personal level, when one of my sons attended Caltech, up until graduating in 2006, I felt secure in the knowledge that at least his campus was protected by the ‘Force of Reason’. However, in an alarming development, re NASA’s new marching orders under OBama’s directives, this will no longer be the case.
NASA is part and parcel of JPL, and JPL is part and parcel of Caltech. Therefore, the PC virus of multicultural psychosis has now seeped deep into the minds of those tasked to make sure that the US outshines all others in space exploration.This is Obama’s directive to ‘equalize’ all nations, and to assure that the US is held no higher than any other.
At the same time,(during 2003-2007) I watched in horror as my other son’s campus, MIT, suffered from the ‘hidden cost of Jew bating’, courtesy of the MSA, the embedded student arm of the Muslim Student Association on US campuses. I cannot overstate enough the tragedy and travesty which will befall the US if the above malevolent forces are not dealt with-and soon. On a regular basis, the MIT MSA was allowed to invite Jew baiters to campus ‘talks’, yet no one in authority lifted a finger to stop them. HOWEVER, when I attemped MANY times to ameliorate the scales, by bringing pro Israel speakers onto campus (under the auspices of Hillel) I was turned down flat. As a matter of record, Richard Landes was one of those I corresponded with, and who agreed to speak if given permission. He wasn’t and he didn’t.
The upshot is, the implosion of Europe is nipping at the US’s heels. It starts with the Jews, but NEVER ends with the Jews.
Thank you. The author’s last point: “it never ends with the Jews” needs to be considered by all.
Richard, when the Al-Dura blood libel swirled across the globe, thus setting in motion the ‘justification’ of the (pre-arranged) bloody second intifada by Arafat and his henchmen, (of which Abbas was part and parcel of, having been his closest protege)it was not until you laid waste to their hoax that I began to feel hopeful for Israel, despite the otherwise comfortable life I then lived in the US.
Hopeful that finally someone with such a stellar skill set was going to expose the mendacity of their fraud.Even though those who live to kill Jews will NEVER be convinced by facts, regardless of how skillfully Pallywood exposed Al Dura, however, for many others, particularly those who value truth telling, you helped make up their minds.
And for all your efforts and force of reason I thank you, and many others do too.
If you happen to be in my neck of the woods-Israel-feel free to look me up via my email attached at the posts.
that richard was not me.
Adina,
I have followed your comments at places like the Jerusalem Post and (I believe) HaAretz (grumble grumble, curse word, curse word!) as well for years prior to the birth of this particularly wonderful site: PJM. In that respect I’ve been a “fan” of your forthright rhetoric for a very long time and I thus simply wanted to take this opportunity to say, “thank you” for your seemingly inexhaustible supply of energy in the face of what feels to be an increasingly frequent number of anti-Israeli pin-pricks played out as depressing world events (even when it’s only the descriptions & opinions of these pin-pricks in “preeminent” newspapers which have devolved into what we should all recognize as anti-Semitism once again being allowed entry into the sitting and parlour rooms in the house of Polite Society).
Fruminous Falafel(great moniker!), thanks for your appreciation of my comments, both at PJM and at other sites.I refuse to be silenced or intimidated, this is the way I live my life.
As a life long Zionist, even from my previously comfortable confines in the US,(precisely, uber liberal NYC, where being pro Israel means, well, very little) the notion that Zion could be destroyed for a third ! time is unfathomable to me.
To this end, I raised my sons to view the destruction of Israel as their ultimate red line.Therefore, as soon as they picked up their hard earned degrees(with the ink barely dried on their diplomas) they made aliyah, becoming IDF soldiers in the process.
Therefore, it was a no brainer that I would physically join them, but in my case, the kids led the charge, I just planted the seeds.
If you-or others-are interested, please go to Israel National News, put my name in the Opinion search engine and read some of my articles.
To all, regardless of your religious persuasion, pray for Israel’s safety!!
It didn’t end with the Jews in Nazi Germany. Why would it stop with the Jews anywhere else?
Of all the problems and enemies my generation (Generation Y) faces in the future, the Black Flag of Islam is the one I am most concerned about.
It seems to be that the Battle of Poitier in 732, where many were sacrificed, was all in vain. Today there is no Charles Martel that we can go to for help. We’re finished. The men and women who run Europe now are of the lowest character.
i would not be too negative. the west still has overwhelming superiority in this combat. it’s a matter of will, which is a product of seeing clearly. there’s plenty of time for an effective response. the sooner, the less violent.
And another thing-I have always been of the mental persuasion that weakness begets contempt, contempt begets punishment, and that the only rational response is FORCE-if not the force of reason, the force of physical might.
This is precisely why I go nuts when Israel’s army-the most accomplished fighting force in the Middle East, on par with the US in its ability, albeit not in its size-holds itself back out of fear of being ‘disproportionate’,(exactly what is disproportionate about killing those who come to kill you?)and out of the price it pays for its own entrenched leftist forces, a tiny minority of its Jewish citizens, but neverthless wielding ENORMOUS power, power which ironically is afforded through the bribes, machinations of the European vile left, among others.
Therefore, I firmly believe, that once the crap hits the fan in the upcoming Middle East war, IF Israel truly lets loose its incredible might, then not only will Israel benefit,(which is my primary concern)but the west will yet live to see another day.
One dare not overstate the obvious, that if heaven forfend Jerusalem/Israel falls, the Muslims will become so entrenched in their ‘choseness/superiority’ that NOTHING will stop their march. NOTHING. So, IF only for self preserving interests, it would behoove those who seek to NOT live under the Sharia boot to hope Israel wins, and to cheer them on.
I ain’t kidding……it is that serious.
“One dare not overstate the obvious, that if heaven forfend Jerusalem/Israel falls, the Muslims will become so entrenched in their ‘choseness/superiority’ that NOTHING will stop their march.”
Not even 200+ nuclear weapons — the sword of Hashem?
There is a certain amount of modern Jew hatred that is just Leftists being fashionable. However the resurgence of Islam is entirely due to the fact that so much of western civilization depends on petroleum and and much of the world’s supply of petroleum is located beneath the feet of Muslims.
There are technological fixes for this situation and Israel, with its human technological resources — including your children, is in an excellent position to help make those fixes happen. This article describes one fix that would significantly diminish the power of oil producers in the near future.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/2/open-standards-for-auto-fuel/
Another fix that would work with the unmodified vehicles on the street today would involve the Weizmann organism, named after Chaim Weizmann the first president of Israel. This little bug eats sugar, molasses or anything with a lot of carbohydrates or cellulose and excretes acetone, butanol and ethanol. Butanol works in gasoline engines just like high octane gasoline.
Israeli investment in biofuels operations in Africa and South America would make those countries energy independent and so less prone to influence by the various oil exporting countries. If they export biofuels, demand for petroleum drops and those countries have economic interests that put them in contention with oil exporting countries.
While it might be too late to turn around the intellectual elites of Europe, the chances of that happening are greatly increased if their testicles are removed from the vice of oil dependency.
Adina,
You have read my mind perfectly.
There is little hope for Britain or the rest of Europe for that matter. They are sinking – irrationality is a major symptom of cultural, economic, & political failure.
Blame the Jews has always been easier than dealing with reality.
Not only but they lack common sense. Anybody with a shred of common sense would see what they’re doing and what they’re tolerating is wrong. Thats why I think America is the last hope of our civilization. We may have marxist appeasers in power but we have over half of our nation that still has it’s wits about them and know what the evil in the world is. We’ll get the right people in office soon. And I totally agree with you on Israel.
P.S. What ever happened with the Iranian Guarded flotilla? I hope Israel blows the shit out of it. But no, Netanyahu is appeaseing Obama the appeaser again and easing the blockade. I understand that Israel needs the US but he has to take into account that Obama is NOT permanent and that he should stand up for Israel and say no to Obama. Obama will be gone and a pro-Israeli president will be elected.
A correction to my first post – re the ‘embedded student arm of the Muslim Student Association’ I meant, the Muslim Brotherhood.
In essence, the MSA (as well as MANY other Muslim organizations, mainly under benign sounding names)was implanted in the US in service of the Muslim Brotherhood. Anyone who wants to know more about this international Islamist gang must read, ‘The Muslim Mafia’ by Gaubatz and Sperry. You may want to reserve this ominous reading for daylight hours, as it WILL scare the daylights out of you, but hopefully awaken you to action.
Being blinded to the facts only gets one killed!
Sadly, tragically, it is way too late for England. When sharia is validated as legitimate by the British courts, when the Holocaust is removed from the curricula of British schools, that says it all. Unfortunately, England does have a rather horrible, centuries long history of anti-semitism which I feel, as alluded too in this essay, made what is happening inevitable. But what excuse does Denmark have, or Sweden?
Goodbye Albion.
when a woman explained to Julius: “We all know why the Jews are hated: you marry among yourselves and live in ghettos like Golders Green and Vienna [sic].” In so doing, she put her finger on the most widespread subtext for hostility to Jews – “they think they’re the chosen people.”
One would be correct in asking if this woman is just stupid or a hypocrite knowing that she comes from a world that insists on “human rights” amongst other “life ordained” rights.
But as Eilon pointed out it is just Jew baiting, and malicious at that, given that the biggest crowd of inter-marrying ghettoites and deniers of the West’s litany of bipedal animal rights is the Muslim one.
No wonder in a certain society Britain is known as perfidious Albion.
I’ve never stopped being amazed at how much open Jew hatred one hears in the streets and offices of London. It is based literally on nothing. It is simply fashionable. And it temporarily endears one, I suppose, to the bloodthirsty muslim with the east ender accent who is driving the taxi or whatnot. But how can a supposedly civilized society look at the history of modern Israel and its astounding achievements, the Nobel prizes, the blooming of the desert, the universities, the physics and chemistry and electronics and the all the sheer GOODNESS it has given this world and still casually insult Jews as somehow second class human beings worthy of mere dismissal and contempt?
I vaguely recall some biblical stuff about how Jews are hated because they’re God’s chosen people. The English, among others, seem to hate them just because that stuff is written in the Bible. In other words, some are fulfilling the prophecy because what it says makes them angry.
Ironic.
Dave, there’s nothing in the christian bible about hating jews. Jew-hatred (or for that matter anybody-hatred) is anti-christian.
Jews and others in the west need to understand that Mohammed, while he specifically mentions Jews and Christians as the enemy, never had a good thing to say about ANY kaffir (ask a Hindu). I would also suspect there is more than a little bit of envy fueling Islamic (and others) Jew-hatred, for the very reasons that make decent people rightly proud of Israel.
The envious will exist as long as there is overweening pride. Pride comes before a fall. Christianity has a lot to say about this – the seven deadly sins. Is there anything like this in Judaism? I’m just curious.
What Dave is referring to is the fact that Christ prophesied that the Jews would be a hated people across the world.
Neither Christ Nor his Apostles nor any true Christian is taught to hate Jews (nor indeed anyone else for that matter). The only thing we are taught to hate is sin.
Now with Jews being so thoroughly persecuted now and in the past (indeed almost constantly since the diaspora) those prophecies have indeed come true. The God of Love and Life mourns still because men hate their own kind and their own blood. They slaughter each other for the smallest of reasons.
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/guilt.htm#How_It_All_Began
Jews are a scapegoat for some whites for the same reason whites are the scapegoat for many blacks: they have to find someone on whom to blame their own failures.
I think this wilful, perverse blindness has been inposed by the Highest Power, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He says “Vengence is Mine, I will repay” All you have to do is check out the first four centuries and the teachings that created this irrational universal hatred for the Jews. No one will wake up in time, because no one wants to admit when and where and why it started.
I agree, though this point of view is basically unacceptable here and at similar conservative American websites. That is, Christianity is sacrosanct (so to speak). The cycle generally goes like this – Christians deny that once Christianity became a state religion of the Eastern Roman Empire, that its essence change and that hostility to Jews was hard-wired into the texts and attitudes. Essentially, early Christianity was hijacked by those who saw their future as wedded to the state. This was in some ways an act of self-hatred, as the Roman rulers had persecuted Christians for a long time. Prior to this transformation, Christians and Jews argued and quarreled, but there was a sense of brotherhood, and a feeling of debt owed to tradition and moral rules handed down. Once Christianity ‘married’ the state, it had to complete its divorce of the Jews, thus also compensating for the betrayal involved, and providing a religion for the primitive masses who were the subjects.
However, this view is simply unacceptable here, at FPM or AtlasShrugs, etc. Why? Because the Jewish American Conservatives who set up these sites are terrified, or opposed to, offending Christianity. We are not allowed to say the truth about the basic Christian attitudes towards Jews, which began with the state-church marriage and then was made ‘immortal’ in Catholic doctrine. The English church was essentially the Catholic one – with divorce.
While it is true that fear of Muslims and oil deals play a role, this fundamental animosity must be acknowledged. True, in America the hostility towards Jews is less, but is still powerful among many groups. Even here, Jews are dissed and discriminated against in various ways. But say it here, and you risk being banned. So be it.
It could also be, that such views are rejected because they have no basis in reality.
Here’s a news flash for you Larry: the greatest threat Jews face TODAY aren’t wearing a cross or praising Jesus! Dependency on middle east oil is a manufactured dependency just like Global Warming is a manufactured crisis.
interesting discussion. i’d put it in non-theological terms as the ability of people to overcome envy. the irony of the 21st cn (third millennium) is – can christians and post-christians overcome their need for supersessionism, which is the idea that we (christians, muslims, secular progressives) are so much better (more moral) than the jews that we replace them. (“supersessionism” comes from super-sedere – to sit on top of them.)
if they do, democracy will survive and flourish; if they don’t, democratic culture will collapse.
much of the “progressive hostility to israel today derives from this problem (in secular form) and drives them to make the palestinians innocent victims of the nasty israelis, rather than face the fact that, under the worst fears of annihilation (1948-1967 and beyond) Israel has maintained a democracy that neither the French, the Russians, cd do.
on the contrary, the “left” has a terrible record of vulnerability to totalitarian paths. to accuse the best of the left of being like the nazis, is so dishonest, one can only assume some base motive (in this case, i think, moral envy).
hence the enormous appeal of Jew-baiting – that tasty morcel is moral Schadenfreude, the pleasure of feeling morally superior by abasing someone else, preferably a rival.
What the Brits haven’t realized as yet, is that a country without Jews is not much of a country. And a world without Jews wouldn’t exist.
Don’t we have a classic anti-semite as president? Didn’t he reveal it in his “some of my best friends are Jewish” interview. From the Jewish money that propelled him to the presidency, to I’ve got smart Jews all around me, it was one of BHO’s most revealing moments aside from he his usual narcissism.
While his Jewish backers were propelling him to the presidency he was seeing eye to eye with Rashid Khalid and others. It’s almost as if he’s using the Jews in order to destroy them. Hyperbole?
You are correct in that Obama, while he would never admit to being an anti-semite, continues to act like one. i wonder if his liberal Jewish supporters have learnt their lesson; somehow I doubt it.
The Brits will lose all their Jews and will be left with the moslems which a cause a befuddles look to appear on their faces. The Jews have been loyal to Britain and supportive of the monarchy to a fault; the moslems won’t be.
“We all know why the Jews are hated: you marry among yourselves and live in ghettos like Golders Green and Vienna [sic].” In so doing, she put her finger on the most widespread subtext for hostility to Jews – “they think they’re the chosen people.”
Hmmm… then why to Jews have the highest rate of intermarriage of any ethnic group here in the US? If that’s a valid reason to hate then you gotta hate lot of hating to do and you shouldn’t start with the Jews.
As for the chosen people bit. Well if you are Christian and a believer in the bible then you better believe they are the chosen people. God said so. God chose to walk the earth as one. Jesus was a Jew, not a christian.
I think if you compare attitudes, you will find that in the present time, Christianity is inversely related to antisemitism. Christians have been a shrinking minority in Europe for decades now and if you listen to the folks at the BBC and the other media folks both in Europe and the US, a despised minority.
I’ve run into several European anti-semites and not a one was an atheist. Granted it’s not a scientific survey but their attitudes were based on ancient Christian beliefs. Attitudes about money, banking, merchants, and Christ killing.
I guess that Brian Macker knows a whole different bunch of Euros than I do.
I know lots of Europeans. Very few of my European aquaintances go to church regularly and — of those that do — most do so for cultural reasons, very, very few actually believe traditional Christian beliefs. Lots of them have children out-of-wedlock with long-time companions.
I must admit that my European friends are an unusually well educated, upscale lot. This might bias my estimates. There is probably more actual Christianity among the true middle class. On the other hand, my European friends are probably are pretty representative of the educated, chattering classes that actually make and shape public policy.
They might not exactly be atheists but they surely aren’t Christians, except in the sense that they might have been baptized 30 or 40 or 50 years ago and their grandparents probably actually believed in some form of Christianity. (I don’t say this to insult them; I suspect that almost all of them would agree.)
If anti-semitism in Europe was confined to church-going, believing Christians, there would be essentially no anti-semitism.
By the way, while anti-semitism has too often unfortunately been embraced by (poor) Christians, Hitler and the Nazis hated Christianity and were certainly not inspired by it.
Well, we have apparently had different experiences. Most Europeans that I have met over the last decade or so describe themselves as atheists and regard the wide spread Christianity of Americans the same way they regard widespread firearms ownership i.e. as a kind of primitive atavism that we would be ashamed of if only we were sophisticated enough to be more civilized and know better.
When the subject eventually comes up, they start off claiming to be anti-zionist but eventually they will get around to money, banking and sharp practice in business. Sometimes, but not always they will complain that the Jews run the American government and manipulate US foreign policy for their benefit. So far I have yet to hear any of them complain about killing Christian children for their blood, poisoning wells to cause the Black Death or stabbing Germany in the back during WW I. They don’t seem to care about Christ so I can’t see how they would be concerned over who killed Him.
THere are very few Europeans left who aren’t atheist.
I have never understood why this bothers people so much. Our idea of God tells us we have been singled out to keep His laws (which is what “chosenness” really means in Judaism). So your idea of God tells you something different. Why is our idea of God relevant to anyone else? I mean, some gentiles take it really personally.
Plus: “Daniel Eilon, an English barrister, explained to me one of the mechanisms. It isn’t real anti-Semitism. In fact, most of the stuff that comes out against Israel is intellectually hopeless — phony narratives based on fantasy “facts.” This is really just good old-fashioned Jew-baiting.” Er, “good old-fashioned Jew-baiting” ISN’T antisemitism? What’s the difference? Does it only become antisemitism when the edict goes out that Jews are told to report to detention centers?
“We all know why the Jews are hated: you marry among yourselves and live in ghettos like Golders Green and Vienna [sic].” In so doing, she put her finger on the most widespread subtext for hostility to Jews – “they think they’re the chosen people.”
Hmmm… then why do Jews have the highest rate of intermarriage of any ethnic group here in the US? If that’s a valid reason to hate then you gotta lot of hating to do and you shouldn’t start with the Jews.
As for the chosen people bit. Well if you are Christian and a believer in the bible then you better believe they are the chosen people. God said so. God chose to walk the earth as one. Jesus was a Jew, not a christian.
“We all know why the Jews are hated: you marry among yourselves and live in ghettos like Golders Green and Vienna [sic].” In so doing, she put her finger on the most widespread subtext for hostility to Jews – “they think they’re the chosen people.”
And if they do move out to assimilate they’re doing so in the name of a vast jewish conspiracy to dilute the racial stock.
Britons, like other Europeans, when they deal with Jews, or even hear the word “Jew”, become deranged, psychotic, irrational monsters, so consumed by animal hatred, they even lose any sense of self-preservation.
As I once saw a poster somewhere say, they become like the infected people of the movie “28 Days Later”. I’m not much of a movie goer and hadn’t seen the film, but rented the movie and saw how apt the comparison was.
They care about killing Jews more than they care for their own survival. In the end, they will have no Jews, and no survival.
The Israelis they are trying so hard to exterminate will see to the latter.
I have never stopped amazed how the Jews are always whining about something. People got tired of hearing them go on for 50 years about the “Holocaust,” so now they do nothing but whine how unsafe it is for them in places like London, Paris, etc. I’d bet that just about all of those so-called “hate crimes” are hoaxes set up by them for sympathy, or just the natural result of a street incident that happens every day all over t6he world, which the Jews always escalate into hatred against them personally. They need to just shut up and pay the reparations they owe to the Palestinians.
Thanks, Vinny, for proving the author’s points. All of them.
That you put the Holocaust in quotation marks reveals your true beliefs.
Go back to Stormfront, Vinny.
I live in London a few blocks from the Regent Park mosque. I am neither Jewish nor Christian and I feel intimidated by the intensity and condescension directed at me by Muslims in the area. This mosque, like many (perhaps most?) in the UK incubates and propagates hatred for anyone not Muslim, as documented by a few brave British journalists; yet, the PC British gov’t does essentially nothing.
The average British citizen will talk about this invasion when they think that the PC enforcers in their midst aren’t listening, and they do not like it. In my time here I have seen practically no anti-Jewish (or anti-black, for that matter) sentiment. But, anti-Muslim sentiment is there, and growing. There are plenty of decent Muslim people here (my girlfriend is one) who do not ascribe to Muslim superiority, but they are becoming the minority in their own religious community.
Your bigotry is pathetic and repugnant. Reparations, you say, from a people surrounded by mouth-foaming haters who want to see you and children annihilated? Your ignorance is beyond any words I can find.
Vinny B you’re a prick,hope i bump into you sometime.
Vinny,
Learn some history.
The Jews lived their first. Islam was invented 2000 years later. Jews were living their continuously long before any Muslims or Christians showed up. Jerusalem was built by Jews.
About reparations. Israel does have a fund set up for any Palestinian who wishes to get a refund on any land they owned in the area before they evacuated to allow the Arab armies the freedom to exterminate all the Jews. The Israeli’s also allowed any Arabs who stayed to retain full ownership of their property and have full citizenship rights.
So where are the reparations for all the Jews that the Arab countries evicted? The Arab countries won’t even take in their own, and put them in permanent refugee camps. Yep, it was the Arabs that did that.
Oh, and by the way, when are you going to pay me my reparations?
Yo, “Vinny”, sadly for you, the Israelis are NOT the unarmed Jews of WW2 nazi filth infested europe.
Happy ETERNAL NAKBA “Vinny”!
Vinnie,
Tell your mom and the other moms to quit telling their daughters to marry a Jew.
uh, why Oscar ? are they not like us ?
Hail Britannia! Britannia, don’t make waves!
And Britons hardly ever ever shall be slaves!
I’ve known a lot of Jews over the course of my life, and most of them I liked. The ones I didn’t like were leftists who refused to acknowledge the evil done by political forces of which they approved. That said, all of them were bright people and relatively moral ones. Even the leftists in their refusal to see the evil in front of them at least claimed to want to help the lower classes. Consequently, I’ve no concern with living in a society with lots of Jews in it. If some of their thinking is weird, their actions are almost always lawful.
You can’t say that about Muslims. They use violence whenever they can and make the threat of it always very clear. As a group they are far more physically dangerous to the American body politic than the Jews. I think America made a very big mistake by allowing any Muslim immigration, much less the large amount we have now.
One last observation: it seems clear to me from the historical record that nations which mistreat and persecute Jews invariably end up worse for having done so. You could assign many reasons for that but whatever the cause, hatred of Jews seems to bring bad consequences in its train. I’ve come to look upon Jews as the traditional “canaries in the mineshaft” example. Wherever you see Jew-hatred and Jew-baiting begin to be publicly accepted, watch out for trouble and the diminishment of civil liberties because they won’t be far behind.
In so doing, she put her finger on the most widespread subtext for hostility to Jews – “they think they’re the chosen people.”
It’d be worth asking the young woman what she believes is meant by the term “chosen.”
Many cultures have origin myths that involve special blessing or attention from the divine. It’s hardly unique to Jews. And, as the article points out, muslims in particular seem to use divine blessing to sanction forcible expansion, among other undesirable actions.
It may not be the only definition of the term “chosen” with respect to the Jews, but the concept of “chosen” in the Jewish context has always seemed more about being chosen to live to special obligations than to receive special blessings. That is pretty unique across cultures, and if it offends the woman who made the point, that’s her issue.
This is nothing new. It’s business as usual in Old Europe. The place has always been a bastion of race hatred and Jew Baiting. The miracle is that they went to war against Hitler. If he had played his cards smarter, they would have been allied and the rest of Europe would have gladly participated in his Holocaust. The place hasn’t changed.
The US, with its myriad faults remains the Shining City on the Hill. This is something to remember when Euroweenies criticize us. We are the answer to a corrupt Europe.
And that’s why Israel is necessary, there is no place safe for the Jews, certainly not Europe. Now it looks like, under the Omamanation, the US will sell Israel down the river.
Dennis,
Let’s not forget that, in Europe, the list of mass murderers happens to include many Jews.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
They, along with the Nazis, were socialists and it is leftism that is the common thread of most evil. Big Govt and Dogma (as evidenced by sharia law too) is the recipe for genocide.
It’s wrong to claim that there is an anti-Jewish strain to English life, which is facilitating Islamist infiltration. Make no mistake about it, 90% of the new anti-semitism is coming from muslims themselves. The only substantial body of Brits who collude in this is the Left, and this manifests as an anti-zionist rather than anti-Jewish sentiment.
There is no love for the Islamists here. More and more people are speaking out against their aggressions. However, a significant number of Brits remain apathetic, ignorant, or wilfully deluded – and even more think “They can’t really believe all that, can they?”.
The good news is that there are signs the tide is turning, and as more and more people face up to the Islamist threat I anticipate that support for Israel will grow.
“It’s wrong to claim that there is an anti-Jewish strain to English life,”
You are amazingly either blind or ignorant (or both) to make such a statement.
This fanatic hatred of Jews goes back 1000 years, and has never really abated. Nor did it need Muslims to exist (although Muslims certainly help boost it).
Read “Anti-Semitism in Britain” by George Orwell, written in 1946, right after half of us were exterminated. That should shed you of any romantic notions of your country.
There has been some anti-Semitism in both the US and England (back in the days when it could be called England) but Jews were safe in both countries going back to the time when the colonies left the Empire. To refer to “fanatic” is to show your own ignorance.
As to the anti-Zionist Jews, remember the assimilated German Jews, many of whom had served in the German army in World War I.
Eric,
‘You are amazingly either blind or ignorant (or both) to make such a statement’.
Fegus is right.I am in the U.K as well.
It is possible to condemn acts carried out by the State of Israel and not feel you want to kill all jews. Or agree with terrorism.
It’s an immature argument.
Anti-zionism is apparent, but there is more hatred to muslims here rather than Israel.
Anti semitism like any racism is a hatred for who they are not what they do.
It’s like be saying if only disagree with Obama because he is black.
Your own contributor Carol Gould has addressed this, if you can’t be bothered watching it all go to 7 :16 when she chips in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2ABBaMFkkA
Note how she recognise’s that events happening in Israel has an effect here.
It’s was the fifth year anniversary of the 7/7 tube bombings recently.We have lost more soldiers in Afghanistan standing ‘shoulder to shoulder’ with the U.S,
that doesn’t seem to get a mention here.
We find it hard to be lectured on terrorism by Americans,when it was them that funded and politically supported the I.R.A during it’s vicious campain
of blowing up women and children here.
Mags,
The best I can say is that you can’t see the forest for the trees. The more accurate statement would be that you are probably as ignorant and deluded as Fergus.
The UK is now an unrepentant Nazi state. Hitler and Himmler would be very comfortable in today’s UK. And even Goebbels would have found the frothing hatred of Jews at the BBC and Guardian too much.
“The UK is now an unrepentant Nazi state. Hitler and Himmler would be very comfortable in today’s UK.”
Indeed. And if Hitler had declared Nazism a “religion”…the Brits would have adopted it then and behave the way they behave today towards…this awkward, political ideology called…Islam. There can be no end to muslims desire to overthrown the crown or the state of GB. They’re just too damn stupid and too far gone to admit it.
Mags,
Irish Americans funded the IRA but a large amount of IRA funding came from – you guessed it! the PLO! Yep, those wonderful Palestinians who love humanity so much they helped IRA killers, gutted Lebanon and Jordan, initiated aeroplane hijacking, using stooges to carry bombs for them on planes, etc.
BIG IRA funders.
Fergus, so why is it taking so long for your countrymen to wake up? Never mind the Jews. I’s your own existence that is in danger of being swamped by this islamic evil. Sadly your academic institutions are actively participating in this fiasco with their preaching Israeli boycotts etc.
Too late? I’m not so sure. The Jews are the canary in the coal mine – both for the West as a whole in the form of Israel and diaspora Jews for places like England and France. When the majorities wake up there will be a sea change. Even Euros will fight if you put them in a corner. Unfortunately they are disarmed. One of the few basic issues I have changed my mind about as an American is the Second Amendment. Now would be a good time to get that concealed carry permit and spend some time at the range. They mean to make us fight for our way of life and have been telling us that as plainly as possible since 9/11.
“Even Euros will fight if you put them in a corner. Unfortunately they are disarmed.
And then…just what do you think they’ll defend themselves with when backed into that corner? A Bible or a Koran?
Me…I’m certain that the restraints upon law abiding citizens in Europe / GB, who are not allowed to defend or arm themselves….doesn’t apply to the well armed and stocked muslim armories…mosques! There they will find plenty of armor to protect themselves with. Your not naive enough to think that muslims would only arm themselves with bullhorns, BS and banners…are you?
“they think they’re the chosen people.”
The matter of choseness is misunderstood and, as a source for anti-Semitism, underestimated. Jews, after all, aren’t the only people in the world who can accused of superiority. Germans and Japanese have openly declared their superiority. The British long considered themselves superior.
So why does a claim of choseness by Jews, if such in the contemporary world there be, evoke such an overheated response?
A Briton might sniff at the notion of German superiority. A German might guffaw at the notion of British superiority. A Frenchman might sigh at such silly prattle from lowly barbarians.
Yet the Jew need make no claim of superiority to be to be accused of it. Hated for it. Actively. Murderously. What accounts for such emotion over something so silly and easily dismissed.?
The fear that it is true.
Come on people! Someone has GOT to mention the massacre of the Jews in York in 1190. It doesn’t matter that it happened over 800 years ago. Or that it involved about 100 people, about the number of Muslims you lot kill in an average week.
You need some cites on that figure of 100 Muslims killed by “our lot” each week. Furthermore, you need to get a breakdown of which Muslims were killed under which circumstances? You need to differentiate between some poor goatherd at the wrong place at the wrong time and some crazed, misogynistic, homophobic, adulterer-stoning Islamist with an AK-47 in his hands and a dream of 72 virgins in his head (surely someone as progressive as you would have no issue seeing someone like that get his just deserts, right?).
If 1190 York massacre a one-off event, it would be one thing. But it’s part of a pattern of persecution of the Jews that goes beyond England. What of the expulsion of the Jews from England and Spain? The Inquisition? The Holocaust? The suicide bombings of pizza parlors?
What are your thoughts on the Jews, Michael? Is there an element of Judenhass in some people’s criticism of Israel? What are your thoughts on Vinny B’s comment above?
The 1190 AD massacre in York! You have to be kidding!! I say so what and what in the hell does that incident have to do with anything–anything at all in the modern world.
There is another writer on PJMedia – Carol Gould. She ALWAYS mentions the York 1190 massacre when she is stirring up hatred. Personally, I don’t think it has anything to do with anything. And I quite agree with Allston – lots of the biggest “scumholes” in the world were ruled by England. But there are a few success stories, the USA for instance.
Where’s that cite you owe us?
Michael in England:
I don’t know what your problem is, Mike. You’re the one who brought up York. Carol Gould does not spread hate.
As for York, at least it reflects well on Richard Lionheart who hung the instigators and ringleaders of the pogrom.
Eric,
‘you are probably as ignorant and deluded ‘
So are you confident to belive you know more about ‘England’, then myself and the other posters commenting from here?
There is a palpable hatred for the British on this site and with the comments posted here.
I have never heard anybody talking about jews the way you all do when abusing
us.
‘The UK is now an unrepentant Nazi state. Hitler and Himmler would be very comfortable in today’s UK.’
I am actually the Queen of England and i want to make you a Knight of the Relm for shocking lack of insight,
Arise Sir Eric.
We supported you following 9/11, we are losing soldiers in Afghanistan at a high rate by standing ‘shoulder to shoulder’,the same with Iraq.
But still you are all anti-British,you don’t deserve the lives of our soldiers ‘
Calling us Nazi’s is insulting but typical here.
We understand the threat of extreme Islam around the world and here.
We just disagree on what to do about it.
Yeah weeny appollogist but they reap what they sow!
“It isn’t real anti-Semitism….. This is really just good old-fashioned Jew-baiting.”
A distinction without a difference! As your own essay makes clear, Jew-baiting is not just the adult equivalent of schoolyard bullying which takes the path of least resistance.
It is certainly possible to be anti-Zionist without being anti-semitic. Unfortunately, Israel-baiting has inexorably become the perfect, socially acceptable, vehicle for anti-semitism which dare not speak its name. Muslim extremists have no such scruples. They are accommodated by some in fear, only exacerbated by the appalling lack of reliable protection. They are tolerated by countless others who share their fundamental view of Jews as the ever present, insidiously imperialistic threat, and who fatuously believe such sympathies effectively immunize themselves from attack. As long as the barbarism of honor killings and brutal oppression in their midst seems neatly isolated in self-contained, self-policing communities, they feel free to indulge their shared grievances against “Israel.”
“It is certainly possible to be anti-Zionist without being anti-semitic.”
Wrong. No more than, say, in 1850 you could voice objection to the idea that the Italians should have a state of their own (re-unified; Italy as we know it did not exist until 1871) and not be anti-Italian.
Anti-Zionism is today, after both the religious (the Christian deicide accusation) and racial (Nazism) arguments have fallen out of fashion, THE vehicle of expressing Jew-hatred in polite society. Anti-Zionists are sworn enemies of the Jews, and they must be held accountable before the Sanhedrin (may it rise again soon, amen).
J M Hanes,
Although I cannot claim to have intimate, personal knowledge of the conditions of prejudice in England towards Jews or, for that matter, Muslims, I have drawn some conclusions, based on my readings of history and countless Guardian columns, as well as many BBC broadcasts, as to at least the media face of Britain and, due to some acquaintances here in the U.S. with Brits, feelings on the topic from some personal contact.
I agree with your assessment that “Israel-baiting has inexorably become the perfect, socially acceptable, vehicle for anti-Semitism which dare not speak its name.” Part of this must be from what some here have called fashionable Left-wing cosmopolitan opinion – to be part of the “smart” classes of Europe, and Britain in particular, one must hold certain prescribed opinions, and those opinions, like the ones so often expressed in the Guardian, are dripping with a thinly veiled contempt for the impudence of Jews trying to defend themselves and thus survive.
Yes, I do believe that part of this is also a reaction in rank fear of the ever-growing Muslim population in Britain, their Islamist-based religious bigotry, Jew hatred and hatred for Western culture in general, a sort of upside down and reverse form of psychological mirroring, hoping that the Muslim rage will bounce off them if they, in turn, show their contempt for the Jewish nation and their people, everywhere.
There is also, almost ironic in an England now so little bound by aristocracy and old-fashioned class, and unmistakable echo and lively remnant of the strange and persistent anti-Semitism and romantic pro-Arabisism of the British hereditary elite. See the Prince of Wales in his ridiculous Arab getups, playing at being a Muslim, in between his attacks on the crass commercial interests of his country and his dislike of those mean and unseemly purveyors of goods and services that despoil his newly worshipped Gaian earth. Those anti-capitalist themes that pervade so much of the environmentalism of the old moneyed classes and much of the royals are very related to the old fashioned anti-Semitism of their heyday. This, as it always has, filters down to the new elites of the media and academy who, even though they may profess to despise such people as Prince Charles for their “unearned” privilege, nonetheless wind up aping many of their social mores and habits.
I also believe that, as has been the case in Germany, but less so there in some ways, there is generally a sort of giddy feeling of relief in being able to finally be free of the “painful” politically correct restraints against postwar anti-Semitism that gripped the continent after the revelations about the Holocaust seemed to shut down in shame the average “ambient” level of European Jew hatred that had existed for the previous several hundred years or so. That is not to say that all Europeans, Christian or not, were anti-Semites, but that this prejudice was nearly a cultural norm, the vehemence of which waxed and waned with the particular circumstances of the times. How else did you think that the Holocaust could have happened in plain sight; there was just enough of the old disease extant to allow it to happen as it did. And now, Israel, poor Israel, has given so many what they think is a pass to vent that familiar feeling which its purveyors now feel they can claim as merely some type of foreign policy disagreement. Nonsense. Proportion? Good grief, the proportion is massively backwards!
Sprinkle in some old colonial schadenfreude for the Irgun and Stern Gang violence against the Crown’s soldiers in “Palestine.” Finally, stir in all that Saudi Oil. Kuwaiti Oil. The Emirates’ oil. All that Oil. That about does it.
The UK is suffering from a terminal case of cognitive dissonance from which it will eventually collapse and die an agonizing death. On the one hand, the country is home to more “human rights” NGOs and charities per capita than any other country in the world. The society prides itself on being a model of openness and tolerance. On the other hand, it is open and tolerant to those who have no tolerance and are schooled in an oppressive medieval belief system they wish to see promulgated across the land. When the lion lies down with the lamb, it is clear which of the two will walk away from the dinner table.
Reuters PLC, based in London, is a perfect illustration of Britain’s deep dysfunction. Most of its correspondents and editors are either from the UK or have lived and trained there. They have become completely inured to the backwardness of Islam and are oblivious to the danger it represents to the tolerant society they worship and as journalists, are dependent upon. Consider the following story by Parisa Hafezi about an Iranian woman who has been sentenced to death by stoning for adultery.
http://r-mew.blogspot.com/2010/07/if-its-sharia-it-cant-be-abuse.html
Hafezi’s cavalier and credulous non sequitur in the last paragraph demonstrates her cognitive disconnect between human rights as embraced by the West and rights as defined by Islam. She is so “culturally sensitive”, she can apparently no longer distinguish between the two. No free society can long endure this degree of weak-mindedness.
“Of course, every sin these brave ideologues accuse Israel of committing is done a thousand-fold by the very people who generate their demonizing narrative — the radical Muslims.”
So….it’s kind of like racebaiting in America. Blacks in America are now free to intimidate, threaten and physically attack whites in any number of documented settings and because they are learning that society’s “guardians”, up to and including the Department of Justice, will look the other way.
When the Queen goes into exile, where’s she gonna go? No point in asking to come here any more.
Yes, well, back at you, Michael: most of the biggest scumholes in the world are nations YOU “lot” ran and owned, where you stupidly mingled people who hate each other into artificial nations…and then just walked away. Leaving us to clean up your damned messes around the world. It surprises me not that all you can do is point the finger and whimper about “you lot.”
God, I am so impressed at the British penchant for lying to themselves and everyone else about their own failings and actions.
Query???
As an older American, born in the U.S.A, can someone explain to me why so many people and so many countries hate the Jewish people?
Of all the people in the world and so many religions spouting “love thy neighbor”, and killing in the name of their religion, past and present, I have yet to see the Jewish people killing anyone.
If there is a definitive answer to my Query, please tell me why so many hate so few!
Alan,
There are a number of reasons.
1. Dictators who are messing up their country need a scapegoat to blame their problems on so that their subjects don’t hang the dictator from the nearest lamppost, upside down.
2. If a leader says mean things about Israel, the oil-rich OPEC nations will be more friendly to them. Oil is vital to modern life to an extent most people do not realize. Its not just gasoline, its plastic as well.
3. I suspect its a proxy for attacking America. A lot of nations do not like America, but unlike Israel, we have a long, but not as long as theirs, hold on our temper. If we got treated as Israel gets treated, Tehran would be green glass already. We are extraordinarily patient. The Israelis take that to an extreme.
4. A lot of people are cowards but malicious at the same time. I saw people bump into my wife when she was pregnant. One part of it, I thought, was that they knew she was not likely to be able to strike back. With everyone pasting the Israelis, you too can join in and get your jollies by hurting someone without the actual threat of them getting justice by pounding you.
5. A Brit may back up his sense of superiority with Shakespeare, the Empire, and the Parliameant. But the Jew has the Holy Scripture which our Western Civilization is based on. Its kind of like if the US Constitution said ‘and all men are created equal, except for Virginians who are better than the rest of you.’ I suspect thats not what God was saying in the Scripture when He chose Abraham and Jacob and Isaac, but its an easy step for humans to look at things that way, in any case.
6. Jews often have money because they do the right things. Now, you can either say 1)Wow, I should learn from Jew guy and follow his ideas. OR 2)Jew guy is using evil sorcery/insidious tricks/some form of nastiness to get his money, and therefore if we burn him at the stake/toss him in a furnace/shoot him down we can justly take his neat stuff for ourselves.
7. Jews were the representatives of the One True God, the Trinity. They will be again. There is a spiritual war between the Creator and the rebels, and naturally those on the side of the rebels disdain those on the side of the Creator. And so it will be until the Messiah comes the second time to rule with a rod of iron.
Tennwriter
My opinion of this is generally that the chrisitians are pissed off that the Jews didn’t convert to Christianity, the Muslims (ie mohammed) was pissed off that the Jews didn’t convert to Islam. Both of these are religions that depend on their spreading the faith and getting everyone in to worship Jesus or Allah. So when Jews don’t join, the two religions get all sniffy and proselytise against them/kill them.
Communism was the same all-in-one type of ideology, hated Jews and religion.
The real reason for all contemproary hatred is, as Adina pointed out, Eurabia.
In the book, Bat yeOr points out all the strategies and compacts arranged by the EuroAerab Dialogue bunch to adopt Arab political feelings while swapping European economic and technology tools to facilitate “cultural” exchanges across the board.
Make no mistake – like in any bad decision made by humans where the decision is made and then the rationalisations start, the Euro Arab Dialogue formed by the EU and the Arabs was and is such a decision – the Jew hatred words by mediauniversities etc are simply the consequences of this decision becasue it was specified in various conferences what that Arabs wanted – to kill Israel.
It involved the EU getting cheap oil and Arab force in pursuit of being a bigger power than the US, and therefore changing EU’s support for Israel to support for the Arabs. All led by de Gaulle and France.
A lot of the documents mentioned in Eurabia eg the Venice Declaration, the Fez Conference etc can be seen on mideastweb.org (or .com, forget which).
When your mass communication leaders are openly hateful, lying, scum…as a watered down description of the BBC, you get mindless lemmings from the populace that regurgitate the premasticated tripe they are fed…without fail, and often on cue.
The BBC’s treatment of Israel is infamous, fatuous and open aggression, in a relentless pursuit of a pack of lies to tell…to the eager Brit brownnosers, who are a needy, mewling cast of extras in this farce…desperate to prove their leftist bona fides, so that their entry into the “clubby” society of the unholy spawn of Hitler cum Stalin.
The pity of this farce, is how doggedly many Jews themselves genuflect at the altar of their own debasement. They are more kneejerk, Pavlovian trained to want to be “accepted” as leftist, they deny the fraud that exists…like brainwashed cult members, shunning rational thought to ensure that they won’t be excommunicated. In fact, they are often the most prolific and loudest voices, putting leftism ahead of all else.
What’s interesting to watch, is how our current administration gives the back of its hand to both Brits and Israeli’s. We returned Churchill’s bust, maybe we can return Abraham’s as well.
Leftism has no use for either. It can slap both faces simultaneously.
Yeah. Pardon my tart prior reply, Michael, but I have really gotten impatient with the “America = You Lot” (or variations on this theme) commentary I read all of the time. I suppose I am developing a reflex in this regard when I see it online.
Noting groups that commit violence against white Euro Christians is racist, or so Ive been told.
The Arabs have oil, the Jews have the Bible. That should tell you why so many people hate the Jews.
As a small contribution to this great conversation: Note that Israel is “EVIL” because it has nuclear weapons; and Iran and the rest of the thugs of the world think they MUST have some too. ALSO note, that Israel has had nuclear weapons for decades and has NEVER USED THEM, EVEN THROUGH SEVERAL WARS. Yet, we all know that the day Iran produces a usable Nuke, it will use it.
Anti Zionism, and anti Israel is definitely a vehicle for anti semitism of the most primitive kind. It is terrible to watch the well meaning leftist intellectuals (many of them Jewish) hopping onto that vehicle. Terrible.
The article is excellent … BUT fails to answer one key point.
Demographics.
Who will be the people of Britain. Or France. Or Europe.
Muslims have about 4-5 kids per woman, over her fertility lifetime. Native Europeans often less than two, and often about 1.1. The 2.1 rate is considered replacement.
This means in about 40 years time most all of the people under 40 … will be Muslim.
They won’t be natives. They will be colonizers (to put it bluntly) from places like Algeria, or Pakistan. That belong in Europe as much (as Obama said about Kenya in his book DREAMS FROM MY FATHER: A STORY OF RACE AND INHERITANCE) as non-native Africans belong in Kenya.
I certainly agree with anti-colonialists that British rule over Pakistan and India was wrong, and am sympathetic with the argument that non-Natives coming to rule native peoples in colonialism is wrong, and should be stopped.
That is not limited to merely non-Whites. Britons have inhabited Britain since the end of the last Ice Age when the glaciers retreated. Why should they be replaced by Pakistanis? I have never seen a satisfactory answer for this, other than the assertion that native Britons have some sort of racial original sin, or something. [No race or group of people will be blameless or without virtue and merit.]
The issue of the Jew-baiting is merely a larger reflection of natives being replaced by Pakistanis, basically. Native Englanders did not bait Jews in the 1930′s-1960′s. It was only when they were replaced by new colonizers that this happened.
Yes, I know, we should not talk about such things. We should not say, perhaps England should be for the English born there, native the past few hundred years, and colonization by a foreign, alien in every way, Pakistani people is wrong and should be not only stopped but reversed. That is because the native Britons are guilty of something … racial original sin I suppose. For colonizing Pakistan in the first place.
Thus punishment for their great-grandsons and grand-daughters. To be colonized and replaced.
“Muslims have about 4-5 kids per woman, over her fertility lifetime.”
Perhaps it’s because they know they’ll have to sacrifice half of them through…”honor killings”?
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/07/constitutional-coup-in-netherlands.html
The Royals prefer lobotomized ‘subjects’.
what is the difference between “Zionism” and just being Jewish?
Simple.
The Zionists had the temerity to move Jews to Israel, defeat multiple Arab/Muslim nations in several wars, declare Israel a Jewish STATE and change the world for the better a gazillion times over with scientific, artistic, creative GENIUS for which they are reknowned, and of course hated.
Zionism IS what they hate. But Zionism is what made ISRAEL WHAT IT IS TODAY.
To be ‘anti zionist’ but not ‘anti semitic’ is a silly distinction without any difference whatsoever. To be an anti zionist is to wish, demand, insist that Israel never be formed, that Jews never have a homeland, that the pogroms of various eras and nations and regions just continue with their killing of helpless Jews a few at a time until they were all gone.
To be anti zionist is to be pro FINAL SOLUTION. so how the HELL is that not anti-semitic?
Just a regular American guy from Texas askin’. Not jewish, don’t know a lot about ‘em, but I always wondered why they’re so hated. I’ve determined through application of simple logic that it is NOT zionism that makes them hated. It’s JUDAISM. Hebrew-ness. History.
Nonsense.
I am not anti-Croatian. In fact some of my friends are Croats.
I am however opposed to Croatian nationalism.
In fact I am opposed to all nationalism.
My own views on Zionism are rather more complex, but it is a logical fallacy to claim opposition to Zionism is anti-Semitic in and of itself. That does not mean, however, some anti-Semites might not use anti-Zionism as a cover.
Britain is a perfect example of what happens to the mainstream worldview of the Jewish population whenever you have an Islamic influx of immigrants come into a virgin non-Islamic population. The same thing happened with Germany when HItler ruled and he was personally and significantly influenced also by the Muslim Mufti of Jerusalem – who was feverishly anti-Semitic. You can watch other countries as well – and see a specific pattern.
Most of the global anti-Semitism is fueled by Islam and the Muslims who spread it. In Islam, the tolerance for Jews is ZERO no matter where the Muslims go.
That’s a big stretch.
Hitler made his ideas about Jews very well known when he penned Mein Kampf in the 20s, way before he ever met the Mufti. Blaming Nazi antisemitism on Muslims is really a disgraceful example of revisionism. If you believe that, you’ll believe anything.
Nazi antisemitism teamed up with Muslim antisemitism. Look it up, it’s history.
Yes, but that was a couple decades after he wrote Mein Kampf. Look it up.
I recently met an educated young couple with 3 small children. They had been living in the Netherlands for 5 years. They said that they missed it. I asked then why they moved to the U.S.. They said that they just couldn’t see raising their children there. I looked at them, and on a hunch asked them if they were Jewish. They answered yes, and told me that so many anti-Jewish comments were expressed to them, that they just did not feel comfortable staying in Europe.
The intimidation, the threats, the lies, distortions, and propaganda have been working. Many leftists have joined with Islamists, willing to ignore what were supposedly their core concerns — bigotry, misogyny,homophobia,classism, poverty, illiteracy, infant mortality — all strongly evident in most Muslim dominated societies throughout the world — to focus their animosity against Israel and its supporters.
And the U.N. continues to operate in the most biased and corrupt manner — but where is the power willing to renounce their membership, or to demand that autocracies and theocracies not dominate its business? So, as depressing as it may sound, the momentum of events suggests that a large scale tragedy is unfolding in front of us, and that there is no power willing to alter its course.
The weak point in the argument is that there is no necessary correlation between the Jew-baiting and the steady Islamization of the British Isles. With or without the Jew-baiting, the Islamization would proceed apace until and unless the inigenous Brits – decendents of some very war-like stock – wake up to the threat and decide to take steps to defeat it. The Jew-baiting is merely a sytmptom – but not a cause – of the wider malady: the refusal to face up to reality.
Demographics. We have 60+ million people. About 2 million are Moslem. Another 2 million are Hindus, Sikhs, Budhists etc. The Moslems are not a monolithic bloc, they are divided by race, nationality and religion. Shia & Sunni are divided by hatred we Christians can no longer imagine. The non-Moslem foreigners are all locked in combat with the Moslems in their home countries. These culturally enriched foreigners (new buzzword) are having more children now; but will their children and grandchildren? Who knows. No Mark Steyn for sure. In England we are now on a cultural and social roller coaster. We weren’t asked of course and we don’t know how it will turn out. Perhaps it will be OK – after all the English State has existed for about 1200 years now.
I’m speaking as a Brit who recently made aliyah, not for negative reasons but for positve ones. However the Britain of today is not the Britain of my youth and Jew-hatred is now very fashionable,especially so among the trendy-lefties and their Islamic overlords. Britain is now close to becoming a de facto Islamic state and I believe it’s too late to reverse the process.
Those Jews of the kapo persuasion will discover too late that when their “useful fool” status is over,they will share the same fate as any Jew foolish enough to stay. I take no pleasure in saying this but it’s a fact of life.
Thank G-d for Israel.
Well, the England of today is not the England of my youth either (74 years old!). But what is new about that? I expect that an American born in 1936 is absolutely amazed that a third of his fellow Americans are Hispanic! But you are right in your reference to the left wing of British politics and the Islamo-fascists being the cause of anti-Israeli feeling. Most of us don’t give two stuffs about the Israelis or the Arabs. Not very commendable, but there you go………..
I don’t give two stuffs about England. Your country is getting everything it deserves for being cowards and moral degenerates. Wallow in the islamic sharia hell hole you are creating. Jews in England need to get the hell out of there, fast. Of course this will be a significant brain drain for England and deservedly so. I hope you are happy replacing intelligent, civilized law-abiding Jewish citizens with barbarians.
The ‘chosen people’ concept is continually misread and misunderstood. Jews were chosen by God to spread monotheism. The reason they were chosen is they were a small and militarily weak group. Up until then religion had routinely been spread at the point of a sword after conquering groups. Jews were chosen to spread it by setting an example for others to follow and in the Bible God said if you follow my laws and live so as to set that example then I will take care of you. Jews believe that because of that covenant it’s actually harder for a Jew to go to heaven than a gentile. Gentiles only have to be moral and lead a good life. Jews have to live a life good enough to set an example for others to follow. That’s why Jews never try to get others to join their religion. Jews believe that if your religion makes you a better person and live a moral life then it’s the best religion for you. Jews believe it’s your actions that determine whether or not you’re a good person and not your beliefs. Why on earth would people be jealous of that and if they are why don’t they just become Jewish? Killing Jews never made anyone a better person no matter what the Imams say.
I’m not a Jew and I believe I’m better placed than some to comment.
I live in the midst of a Jewish community and get on very well with my neighbours. It’s not a religious community either – they “mix with the rest of the world”From what I’ve heard none of my neighbours have suffered any serious anti-Semitism, and we have engaged in rigorous debate on more than one occasion about what, in my view constitutes Jew hatred. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but I believe the Jewish community is in danger of becoming engaged in a little too much navel gazing on the subject. I would stand shoulder to shoulder with my Jewish neighbours to combat any Jew-hatred, however in a sense they’re taking their eye off the ball here. Somebody mentioned further up the thread that they’re ignoring the elephant in the room – Islam – which is a clear and present threat to BOTH the Jewish community and the wider non-Muslim community in the UK.
Old habits die hard, and Jew hatred is one of them. No amount of race hate legislation will stop it – on the contrary, the zealots who want it brought in must not be allowed to smear all “goyim” with the brush because of what may well be in some cases innocent remarks “taken the wrong way”. The Jewish community needs all the help it can get. By all means be vigilant, but also start working with the wider community to combat the greatest danger we are facing – extremist Islam, which is working very hard indeed to set Jews and Christians against each other. Please – don’t fall into the trap. British Jews have given so much to this country – don’t give up now.
Steve,
I appreciate your thoughts but you forget that the Islamic community in the UK is growing at a staggering rate, primarily due to immigation, having gone from 1.8 million to 2.4 million in about 10 years. A 3% increase per annum.
At that pace, it would double again in 20 years, and quadruple in 40. By 2050, your country will be 20% Muslim, and with their higher birth rates, would be 50% of those being born.
There is no way for the UK to stop this now even if it wanted to, which I doubt it does. Even if the EDL became a major political force, you could not deport Muslims without setting off Islamic terrorism that would paralyze and destroy your country.
Frankly, I think the UK has been too paralyzed by political correctness, multiculturalism, moral equivalence, and yes, Jew-hatred, to ever respond firmly to the Islamists.
In other words, the UK is finished. The Jews will be gone before Sharia law is imposed.
Non-Jews will not be as lucky.
Steve – I understand what you’re saying. I AM a Jew, and from what this article seems to me to be saying – there are anti-Semites everywhere. I must have been sleeping while all this was going on….(?) I agree with what you say, also about Islamism and extremists being the main danger the Jewish community faces here in the UK. What some of our community should do is look at the statistics regarding race hate crimes. It may surprise us to find out that most racially motivated crimes are carried out against white, British non-Jewish/non-Muslims.
So let’s all get off our backsides, and like you say, form alliances with like minded communities who don’t want their country taken over by a violent, totalitarian religion – and, if the proverbial does hit the fan – we’ll find loyal allies in our non-Jewish British neighbours. The Sikh and Indian communities are already doing it – and we don’t hear of them being totally absorbed in the amount of hatred coming their way,do we?
Steve, Islamism isn’t a danger just to non-Moslems but to the majority of Moslems themselves, who just want to get on with their lives and go to mosques instead of to churches and synagogues.
Nobody will do this, but we need legislation forbidding the teaching of certain things:
the superiority of one’s own faith over other people’s;
the idea that your religion is the only way to God;
the idea that it is legitimate to kill or do violence to promote one’s faith;
the idea that you have special entitlements over those of others;
the idea that you are obliged by God to have children;
the idea that there is a difference in the role and status and entitlements of women and men, other than the obvious fact of child-bearing and its aftermath.
I dare say more could be added. It would mean disestablishing the Church for a start, which would be a great step forward.
Granting that those Jews who have moved out of Europe recently are a self-selected group [as are any pioneers on any frontier, and as were those Jews who left Germany from 1933, and Europe from the mid-1930's], and that my source is a Jewish woman of my acquaintance who works with refugee Jews in the Atlanta, Georgia area [which source may totally disqualify what is said for some readers]; but the consistent story among those re-settling there is one of explicit legal tolerance of attacks on Jews on the European mainland by the authorities, especially in France and especially if the assailants are otherwise unidentifiable “youths” named Achmed, Mohammed, or … Buraq. It seems from reports [Adina Kutnicki, Israel- could you please confirm or deny?] that one of the drivers of the Israeli real estate market is European Jews buying houses to have a place to flee to at need. Given that Israel is itself under threat of constant rocket and missile attack, soon with the additional threat of nuclear strikes from Iran; it says something about what the judgment of the relative dangers of staying or going are. Kind of like European Jews being willing and grateful to go to London during the Blitz, for similar reasons.
The heirs of Europe’s Judeo-Christian tradition are doomed. Demographics is the future. In some countries in Europe, there are already more Muslim males of military age than European males of military age. To put it mildly, they are not exactly well integrated into their host societies.
The elites in Europe [including in Britain] are more concerned with collaborating with the cultural transition to hold on to power as long as possible than with trying to defend against anything. They think that Dhimmitude will enable them to maintain their positions in the new order. I may regret what happens to the masses in Europe [and admittedly we may share their fate, albeit with a great deal more resistence than in Europe] but the phrase Schadenfreude is made to describe what I will see as the elites face the reality they denied so long.
Subotai Bahadur
“but the consistent story among those re-settling there is one of explicit legal tolerance of attacks on Jews on the European mainland by the authorities, especially in France and especially if the assailants are otherwise unidentifiable “youths” named Achmed, Mohammed, or … Buraq”
ah Subotai, could ask your acquaintance to prepear a refuge for Sarkozy, actually he’s been attacked lately
oh, that’s funny:
Israeli millionaire builds mosque in France
Surprisingly, he has not harbored any ill-feelings against the Arab side and is a strong supporter of co-existence. He was recently approached by the mayor of Montereau, a French city adjacent to Paris, who informed him of his difficulties in financing the renovation of a large mosque in the city.
“I told myself ‘here is an opportunity to bring the people together’ and decided to donate the money,” Harush said. “People were dumbfounded. What does a Jewish-Israeli man have do to with refurbishing a mosque? The answer is simple: I’m sick and tired of the hatred. A sane voice must emerge.”
Harush explained that he built the mosque in order to promote co-existence. “It wasn’t a cheap venture but I did with all my heart.”
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/07/israeli-millionaire-builds-mosque-in-france/
” What is the reason for anti-semitism? There is one reason which is two-fold. One reason is that we say we are the chosen people and the other reason is that the gentiles believe that it is true. ”
Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz
43. Steve UK: “The Jewish community needs all the help it can get. By all means be vigilant, but also start working with the wider community”
This is definitely a subject that needs to be addressed. Jews are not known for making friends and allies. They can be prickly, stiff-necked, and independent. None of which makes for close friends. They still call me a “gentile” and remind me of what my ancestors did to them in the Inquisition. My ancestors didn’t come from Europe, but I still get blamed for it. And they never get tired of telling me in a loud voice that Jesus is _NOT_ the Messiah. And at the end of the day, when I’m hot and exhausted, they insist that I pay attention to their problems – but they don’t want to talk about the plight of Christians in Israel. They just want it dealt with their way. Well, OK . . . I guess . . .
” And at the end of the day, when I’m hot and exhausted, they insist that I pay attention to their problems – ”
Let us know when you wake up and I’ll make sure you get our bulletins with your morning coffee.
Whereas Muslims attacking your friends and neighbours, insulting non-Muslims, sucking up your country’s welfare, targeting non-muslims women for rape and kidnapping, plus that feamle circumcision thing – that’s all just too endearing isn’t it?
And the constant whining about antiIslam this and Islamophobia that, the constant accusations that nonMuslims are racist, the constant campaigning for the Palestinians, the increasing number of “no-go” zones in Europe, the increasing number of mosques, terror attacks in Europe -the tolerance of which was also one of the Eurabia promises, by the way – this is so clearly the way to friendship for you, JJJoseph?
Treat ‘em mean, keep ‘em keen eh?
And that Israeli millionaire who paid for the mosque is a f****** idiot.
Eric R – thanks for this. However I still feel that if the Jewish community in the UK pops the bubble they live in and listens to what their wider communities say – there will still be a place for them in the UK. They have been woven into the fabric of this country for over 350 years, and their contribution to the British way of life is indelible. Besides, I know of many Jews who have no affilition whatsoever to Zionism or Israel – England is the country of their birth, and their home. To say Israel cannot possibly accommodate all of them isn’t rocket science, is it?
It’s only since the multiculturalist steam roller flattened the will of the British people to speak their minds, this in conjunction with the bad laws concerning what is and what isn’t racial hatred (sadly I have to say helped along by the bigots in every community)- that it’s becoming dangerous to speak about religion and politics. This is because these idiots who govern us have succeeded in eroding our basic human right of freedom of speech. The Islamists are delighted each time Jews get aeriated about real or perceived anti-Semitism and threaten to prosecute whoever they see to be anti-Semitic – because they (the Islamists) will stroll through the doors these knee-jerkers leave open and then God help us all. We’ll be effectively silenced and will only be able to say complimentary things about Islam. These laws WILL be used as yet another tool of Jihad.
Juliantheprostate – well said, but I think you’re being over-simplistic about the majority of Muslims just wanting to get on with their own lives and go to mosques. Islam demands total obedience, does it not, and if the Imam of the local mosque tells Muslims to riot, or demand elitist treatment, or hate anybody who isn’t a Muslim, can you honestly see the so called moderate Muslims standing with US against their Muslim brothers? That is a heinous crime in Islam, isn’t it, punishable by death? I am all for giving active support to those Muslims who want to cut the chains, but it’s they themselves who must make the first move. If they don’t tell us, how would we know? I for one am not prepared to wait until the end-game starts before I decide which Muslims to trust.
JJ Joseph – well said! However – if we put things into perspective when (not if) it all goes belly up the Jews in the UK and we, their friends will not have time to be prickly and standoffish or demand things are done their way.
Menachem ben Yaakov – that’s precisely what JJ Joseph means – everything he says and a healthy dose of sarcasm, too. Not destined to win friends and influence people, is it?
JJ Joseph – I forgot this in my last post. The “plight” of Christians in Israel? There isn’t a plight – unless you choose to believe the fabrications of various Christian groups who think the Palestinians are lily-white. The government of the Palestinians, Hamas, prides itself on its treatment of Christians – they’re harrassed, threatened and persecuted. True – the behaviour of some of the ultra-orthodox Jews is reprehensible, but they treat secular Jews in the same way. It’s not an excuse, it’s an explanation. When are Christians not allowed to worship freely in Israel? Aren’t their holy places protected by the Israeli Government? Compare this to how Christians are treated in Muslim countries – Somalia, Indonesia. Compare this to the treatment of the Copts in Egypt – I could go on …..
Prof. Landes is just an hysteric. What he calls “Jew-baiting” is principled opposition to the Crimes of Israel as detailed extensively in The Goldstone Report. There are 1,000,000,000 Muslims on the planet – what would the good professor have us do – incinerate them? As far as “proportion” goes – Israel sits at the epicenter of the world’s troubles,and its murderous racism has a much more harmful impact than do similar atrocities in a backwater like the Sudan. Landes’ delusion is that Israel is in fact NOT doing anything except lapping buttermilk and beehiving honey. The truth is a bitter pill to swallow and Prof. Landes would be well-advised to pour himself a shot of castor oil when he drops the little capsule in his already wet mouth.
Ian Slade
London,UK
As far as dealing with “infidels” is concerned, the moslems say they will deal with the “Saturday people” first, then the “Sunday people” later. They are talking about death you know.
Ian Slade,
So happy you joined the disscussion. You have just put a gold stamp on this piece. Your comments are so typical of almost every Brit I encounter and discuss Israel with. Yes, I live in England. I am a Jew/Zionist and you, like so many of your fellow countrymen love this ridiculous narrative. So you brought up Sudan. Now let’s talk. Hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) killed and displaced by Bashir in Sudan, Muslim. Southern Thailand, thosands murdered for being Christian; usually beheaded. The list goes on and on. Just check out Unwatch.org and Hillel Neuer has presented the embarrasing list of atrocities comitted worldwide. And what does the world focus on? Nine armed terrorists breaking international law, capturing, stabbing and kidnapping the dozen or so Israeli first responders who were armed with paintball guns and told not to fire untill given the order to do so. Blood was let on that boat. First in a rabid planned attack organized by a known terrorist group looking to become Shahids, then and only then, some 20 minutes later, the Israelis realized their countrymen were hostages, and the terrorists were going to kill if necessary. See photos of captive Israelis as well as video evidence to prove this.
Continue to ignore the true atrocities of mankind in the world today and continue to demonize the diamond in the desert which I suggest you start boycotting immediately! Start by tossing your smartphone and computer in the trash. Then, if you ever need a stent or non invasive surgery, deny it. Invented by Jews. Oh, the newest solar technologies. Jews. Science, Medicine, Math, the Arts. Jews, Jews, Jews. Get to it big man, put your money where your mouth is. No texting anymore. Jew technology. But it’s not your own fault, I watch Tele here, you are just drinking buckets of Kool-aid. Just as most of the Brits I talk politics with.
Just remember, there would be no England as you know it if it weren’t for people like my father and Uncle, who made Aliyah in 1980, fighting the nazi’s in WWII. Now you turn your back on western capitalism.
Final point, my Israeli cousins are of Morrocan, Yemeni descent. Refugees along with 700,000 others forced from their homes and absorbed into the 6000 year old state of Israel. So what have your Arab buddies done for their refugees?
Wake up. Study history. Help save the millions of humans dying at the hand of Islam. You believe in Human rights?
No just another British Jew Hater.
Ian Slade you blotted your copy book when you brought up the Goldstone Report, and showed your woeful lack of insight into what’s going on. Look out from your self-imposed bastion of “im”moral righteousness, which you CHOSE to erect – so much is evident. Did you ever remove the blinkers from your eyes and do research(as I did) how flawed the report was? Didn’t think so. So – “Israel sits at the centre of the world’s problems”, does it? You want Israel gone, do you? Imagine if that were to happen. The whole of the area would be taken over by extremists who make Hamas look like boy scouts – aided and abetted by the Muslim Brotherhood. Fancy being governed by them, do you? Fancy converting to Islam and not being allowed to air any views but what they tell you? Maybe you do – you’re so far gone anything would be preferable to the “problems” Jews cause. Somalia is a backwater….. fuss about nothing……. tell that to the dozens killed on Sunday in Nigeria by Somalian Al Qaeda terrorists and their “crime” was they were enjoying the World Cup Final. You’re so full of the proverbial we can smell it a mile off.
Steveoh – I see what you mean, but for all the information you give this person, it’s a waste of time. You’ll never change his mind. He’s been fed a diet of Leftist crap until his brain’s saturated. Oh, and by the way, there are Jew haters all over the world – don’t tar all us Brits with the same brush.
Ian Slade – right on cue. Bringing up the Goldstone Report, the Bible of the self-righteous leftists. I’ll bet you didn’t research the information in the report, did you? If you had researched it, you’d have found holes in it large enough to drive a double decker bus through. But no, from your “im”moral self-righteous ivory tower, you went along with the herd and decided Jews are at the centre of the world’s problems.
At least you’re honest enough to admit you want Israel/Jews gone. If Jews in Europe and Israel were to be destroyed tomorrow the whole of the Middle East would be the Muslim Brotherhood’s for the taking, as well as Europe, and America…. when you starting living under Sharia you’ll wish the Jews were back…. or you might do well to take the medicine you wish Ian Landes would take. I’d even double the dose for you.
Never have I been more sure of the saying “Be careful what you wish for……”
With people like you for “friends” – why should decent Brits need enemies?
Steveoh – don’t tar all of us with the Jew-hating Brush.
The “Anonymous” post was mine, too – wasn’t sure if it would go up – posted it without putting my details up.
The following is a comment I wrote in a post (http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2010/07/12/swallowing-the-bitter-pill-a-comment-from-an-islamophobe/) that Professor Landes posted on the Augean Stables which Prof. Landes wrote in response to the comment posted on this post by commenter Ian Slade.
Professor Landes,
Please stop being so timid and appeasingly “universalist” and overly generous about people such as that commenter (Ian Slade).
People such as that commenter are not primarily motivated by fear of genocidally anti-Jewish political movements – which the current huge one today is the modern Islamic-Supremacist political movement.
People such as that commenter are primarily motivated by bigoted antipathetic views that they hold about, and antipathy that they feel toward the country of the Jewish people.
They have been brainwashed by the sea and tsunami of lies – the overwhelming propaganda – about the situation that vilifies Israel and that obfuscates the reality of the situation and that utterly falsifies the factual history of the situation – the 90 year intendedly genocidal Islamic-Supremacist and Arab supremacist, and colluding Western (mainly European (mainly British)), military, diplomatic, terroristic, and propagandic war against the country of the Jewish people.
People such as the commenter are blinded by the bigotry towards Israel.
The number of people in Western countries who hold the bigoted wrong views about the situation that that commenter does is huge, and includes leaders of governments of Western countries. The reason that the number of people who hold those bigoted wrong views is huge is because because of the mass-indoctrination with lies – which made possible because of, and whould not be possible without – the utter lack of honest, accurate, clear verbal defense – speach – public relations – diplomacy – by Israeli government officials.
Israeli government officials need to realize that the war that is being waged against Israel, and which is a war that the government of Israel needs to fight against, is not mainly a physical war. It is a war of communication.
ISraeli leaders need to destroy the false narrative about the history and current reality of the situation.
Israeli leaders need to stop falsely confessing and stop appeasing and stop aiding and colluding with the racist genocidal leaders of the racist genocidally anti-Jewish anti-Israeli political organizations Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas.
Israeli leaders have been falsely confessing and acting with delusional harmful appeasing actions and have been aiding and colluding the racist genocidal leaders of the racist genocidally anti-Jewish anti-Israeli political organizations Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas.
Israeli leaders have been doing so do appeasingly – out their having internalized the lies about the history and current reality of the situation, out of timidity toward the bigoted ignorant craven anti-Israeli Western leaders – and out of, involved with that, wrongly placed compassion toward the several million of descendants of the 400,000 to 700,000 Arab refugees from the 1948 Muslim Arab genocidal attack on Israel (which caused 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jewish refuges from Muslim countries in the Middle East) and the Jordanian Arab people in Judea Sameria – who are now called the “Palestinian” Arab people.
Ooops, here I go again! Two typos – apologies – I should have said Richard Landes and the Somali terrorists set the bombs in Uganda, not Nigeria.
The following is a comment that I wrote (to which I have here made some clarifying and typographical corrections) to Professor Landes in a post that Prof. Landes posted on the Augean Stables (http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2010/07/12/swallowing-the-bitter-pill-a-comment-from-an-islamophobe/) which Prof. Landes posted in response to the comment posted on this post by commenter Ian Slade (whom I refer to as “that commenter”, in my comment).
Professor Landes,
Please stop being so timid and appeasingly “universalist” and overly generous about people such as that commenter.
People such as that commenter are primarily motivated not by fear of genocidally anti-Jewish political movements – which the current huge one today is the modern Islamic-Supremacist political movement.
People such as that commenter are primarily motivated by bigoted antipathetic views that they hold about, and antipathy that they feel toward, the country of the Jewish people.
They have been brainwashed by the sea and tsunami of lies – the overwhelming propaganda – about the situation – which is a sea and tsunami of lies that vilifies Israel and that obfuscates the reality of the situation and that utterly falsifies the factual history of the situation – the 90 year intendedly genocidal Islamic-Supremacist and Arab supremacist, and colluding Western (mainly European (mainly British)), military, diplomatic, terroristic, and propagandic war against the country of the Jewish people.
People such as the commenter are blinded by the bigoted antipathetic views that they hold about, and antipathy that they feel towards, the country of the Jewish people, Israel.
The number of people in Western countries who hold the bigoted wrong views about the situation that that commenter does is huge, and includes leaders of governments of Western countries. The reason that the number of people who hold those bigoted wrong views is huge is because of the mass-indoctrination with lies – which is made possible because of, and would not be possible without – the utter lack of non-appeasing, honest, accurate, clear communication – speech – verbal defense – public relations – diplomacy – by Israeli government officials.
Israeli government officials need to realize that the war that is being waged against Israel, and which is a war that the government of Israel needs to fight against, is not mainly a physical war. It is mainly a war of communication.
Israeli leaders need to destroy the false narrative about the history and current reality of the situation.
Israeli leaders need to stop falsely confessing and appeasing and need to stop aiding and colluding with the racist genocidal leaders of the racist genocidally anti-Jewish anti-Israeli political organizations Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas.
Israeli leaders have been falsely confessing and acting with delusional harmful appeasing actions and have been aiding and colluding the racist genocidal leaders of the racist genocidally anti-Jewish anti-Israeli political organizations Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas.
Israeli leaders have been doing so do appeasingly – out their having internalized lies about the history and current reality of the situation, and out of timidity toward the bigoted ignorant craven anti-Israeli Western leaders – and out of, involved with that, wrongly acted upon compassion that they feel toward the Arab people who are today called the “Palestinian” Arab people – who are the several million of descendants of the 400,000 to 700,000 Arab refugees from the 1948 Muslim Arab self-proclaimedly intendedly genocidal genocidal attack by the armies of five Arab countries on the country of the Jewish people, Israel, lauched several days after Israel was voted into the United Nations by a majority vote (which was an attack that caused 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jewish refuges from Muslim countries in the Middle East) and who are the Jordanian Arab people in Judea and Sameria (The West Bank), which Israel took back from Jordan (which is Arab Palestine) in 1967 after the army of Israel attacked and defeated the armies of four Arab countries that had assembled along the borders of Israel in preparation to intendedly genocidally attack and invade Israel, which was an attack against Israel that had been planned and organized for over a year by, and which was led by, Soviet supporteed Soviet funded, Soviet armed, Araba Nationalist Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser.
Since 1948, after the 1948 Muslim Arab attack on Israel, until 1967, Jordan (which is Arab Palestine) occupied “The West Bank” (Judea and Sameria), and Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip.
I apologize for posting two similar comments. I think that the first of my two previous comments was not immediately posted by the blog server (After I submitted it, I perceived it as not having been posted by the blog server). That is why I posted the second of my two previous comments. Please disregard the first of my two previous comments.
Apologies to those offended by my broad brush strokes with regards to British Jew Haters. Clearly not all, but the vast majority of Brits I have spoken politics with embrace the leftist narrative as fact. Look at Prime Minister Cameron’s remarks immediately following the Flotilla incident. And he’s a conservative? Tony Blair at best went halfway in his “support of the Israeli narrative”.
The Poiticians speak for the people. I am certain there are many here in the UK who get it, I just haven’t met many yet.
I would love it if anyone could help me identify MP’s, organizations and other like minded people here in England. I wish to get more involved politically here if possible. Thanks in advance. And again my apologies to any good people I offended.
I fail to see why the Americans are throwing their hands up in horror about Jew-hatred in the UK, when their own country is barely containing the torrent of Jew-hatred of its own.
I will say one thing about the US – your laws governing free speech are far more user friendly than ours are – but from the outside looking in, you’re no different from us in that your official bodies are running scared of Muslims in exactly the same way as ours are.
I just read that the Mega Mosque at Ground Zero is likely to go ahead, in spite of the objections and demonstrations against it from the survivors and bereaved families of those who died and were injured. The chief proponent of it – Mayor Bloomberg, of course, one of our own. It made me sick to see how self-righteous and annoyed, and even SURPRISED he was at the way people were against it!
Whoa – you’re not telling me anything I didn’t know. Multiculturalism, globalisation, neo-liberalism, abolition of borders in order to make sure the fat cats get rich, all contribute to the woeful state the UK is in – and also America, too. But what are we doing about it? Whining, complaining, wringing our hands and wasting time. Some Jews in the UK will never wake up to what’s going on around them – so self-absorbed are they about what Jews want. If they’re not careful, it’ll be their downfall. People see the Jewish community OBSESSING (yes, obsessing) about real or imagined anti-Semitism to the exclusion of how their compatriots feel about the onslaught of Islamism, which threatens Jews and non-Jews alike – and it’s no wonder they view us and the whining complaining Muslims as problems in equal measure.
Steve UK – you’re absolutely spot on about the “navel gazing”.
Wow, Denise! I’ve been living in the United States my entire life, and I managed to miss the “barely contain[ed] torrent of Jew-hatred” you claim. Ironically enough, right after that you mention Mayor Bloomberg.
I guess he managed to duck the torrent. Who’d a thunk it?
There is a lot of anti-Israel opinion in Britain and some people are clearly anti-Semitic.
I recall in the 1960s and 1970s some occasional anti-Semitic comments among the working class people with whom I lived and was brought up – but it was almost exclusively to do with ethnic stereo-typing about meanness, and was much less vociferous than anti-Black or anti-Irish comments.
Now I live in an area with among the largest Jewish populations in Britain, and I live in social housing among working class people. The local Labour MP is Jewish, and so in fact was his Conservative opponent in the last election. In the three years I have been here I have never heard any anti-Jewish comments by working class people. I have however heard a lot of anti-Asian comment (little distinction being made between Muslims or Hindus) and hostility towards South Asians is the dominant form of racial hostility I would think. (Afro-Caribbean people have largely been accepted, although there is some occasional retrograde hostility.)
If you read the comments in The Guardian you will find a lot of educated middle class hostility to Israel, but I think that a lot of effort is made by the vast majority of such commentators not to attack Jews as such. There is no discussion of Judaism as a religion, since most Brits aren’t interested in religion and are not “Christian”. They are not even post-Christian for the most part. They are post-post Christian. [There is btw vastly less inhibition about attacking Catholicism and Catholics in general.]
The hostility in my opinion has little to do with the historic tropes of anti-Semitism – i.e. racial opinion, supercessionist theology, nor ethnic stereotyping.
For the most part, except for Asians, Britain is a live and let live country as far as most of the population is concerned. Actual incidents of anti-Semitic actions almost all seem to be done by a very small portion of some Mulsim communities.
So I think what you call anti-Semitism is all about anti-Israel feeling. Many people are equally hostile to the United States. And there is much much more hostility and hatred of Islam and Muslims.
I would like to return to the topic of intimidation (that’s the use of threats along the lines of “we’ll get you” or “our group is bigger than your group, and you’re in trouble”, etc.) I don’t think I need to really bother with the Islamist threats which are by known well-known, well-documented and amply illustrated on virtually a daily basis.
I’m beginning to wonder if the use of threats hasn’t seeped into other fields, other areas? Take for example, the intimidation of dissenting views regarding climate science. This has been especially evident in the UK. (In a somewhat related vein, it has also been evident with the virulent self-proclaimed atheists — and anyone who dares dissent in the slightest fashion or question an atheist’s stance is subject to a verbal beating, etc. Ironically, again, some of the demands for abject conformity and the intidation of opponents, arise from “scientists” — Dawkins, for example. Hitchens (although, now an “American”) is yet another example of a verbal bully(and yet another product from the UK.)
Much of this I feel is fascistic in nature, and it’s coming from (of all groups) so-called Progressives. Is it also due to too close an association with the Islamists? Are they anxious to emulate the tactics Islamists use? Is HAMAS now at the forefront (the inspirational and political guide) for Progressives?
Those of us who concentrate on what is and isn’t anti-Semitism in England and Europe are missing the bigger picture. We ALL have to unite – Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists – everybody, against an enemy that makes mere anti-Semitism/anti-Zionism/anti-Israelism irrelevant.
Watch this:-
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Please stop this incessant obsession with anti-Semitism and start fighting back against Kuffarphobia – it’s here, and it’s coming to your neighbourhood. Non-Jews can’t do it alone – all us Kuffars need each other.
The next leader of the British Labour Party will be David Miliband, the son of Polish Jews who were given refuge from Hitler in England at a time when America’s doors were closed against them. Ten years ago, the leader of the British Conservative Party was Michael Howard, the son of a Romanian Jew who, etc, etc. The present Speaker of the House of Commons is John Bercow, the son of a Jewish taxi driver.
There has never been a Jewish leader of the Republican or Democratic Parties. Clearly, American Jews should move to Britain where they won’t be so oppressed and excluded.
The amount of stupidity and hatred in these comments defies belief.
Abracadabra, “Clearly, American Jews should move to Britain where they won’t be so oppressed and excluded.”
Thanks but no thanks. Most Jews will continue to take their chances in the US or A. The uk is rapidly devolving into a third world country. I suggest that the uk turn over its nuclear weapons stockpiles (why does the uk even have nukes???) to the US, to keep the nukes out of the hands of the lads who bombed the London underground and buses on 7/7/05 and who openly (behind masks) threaten the uk with its own 9/11.