The Hate Process
Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is reported to have told Vice-President Joe Biden this week that “Israel has made enough efforts to reach a peace settlement [with the Palestinians] and has not received sufficient gestures in return.” If so, it was a great understatement.
Palestinian Media Watch (PMW) has published an overview of anti-Israeli incitement in the Palestinian Authority during July and August of this year. That was the time of the Israeli-Palestinian proximity talks, the result of intensive U.S. diplomacy spearheaded by Middle East envoy George Mitchell.
Those proximity talks led to the crowning glory: the direct talks of September, which Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas ended almost as soon as they had begun by demanding that Netanyahu extend Israel’s settlement freeze — something Abbas knew he wouldn’t do.
With the talks now in suspension and a change having swept Washington, speculation is rife as to whether, and how much, the administration will keep pushing for the “process” to continue.
No one who reads PMW’s report, however, can rationally believe that the PA is ripe for peace or that U.S. efforts to promote this entity to statehood are efforts well spent.
Since June of last year Netanyahu has been airing the demand that the Palestinian side recognize Israel as a Jewish state. But as far as the official PA is concerned, Israel’s nature is not in question: it doesn’t exist at all.
As PMW notes, on June 4, 2008, then-candidate Obama told the AIPAC conference: “I will never compromise when it comes to Israel’s security. … Not when there are maps across the Middle East that don’t even acknowledge Israel’s existence.”
And yet, as PMW points out — displaying many examples — “all the official PA maps in offices, websites, schoolbooks, and those appearing on official PA TV since the start of the proximity talks continue the policy of defining all of Israel as ‘Palestine.’”
That policy is also expressed verbally by referring to Israel in official PA TV shows, its official newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, and so on solely with such epithets as “the occupied homeland,” the “Palestinian interior,” and the like. And this refers to Israel within the 1967 borders, the part that’s supposed to be one of the “two states living side by side in peace and security.”
This goes hand in hand with a systematic, total denial of Jewish ties to Jerusalem and the land of Israel, laced by constant incendiary claims that Israel plans to seize and even destroy the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.
Blatant demonization of Israelis and Jews is also an ongoing feature of PA media and sermons, to the point that the supposed distinction between “radical” Hamas, the rulers of Gaza, and the supposedly “moderate” Fatah, the rulers of the PA, emerges as meaningless.
This is a timely dissemination of PMW’s research, with some apt comments. The greater the number of rational people who are informed about this, the better. There is no excuse for ignoring this information, and for being too cowardly to draw the right conclusions. That applies to the top echelons of Washington, first and foremost.
I seriously doubt there will ever be peace between Israel and the Arabs; thus, Israel ought to do whatever necessary to become as perfect of a fortress as possible. The time is running out.
As to the Palestinian hate teaching, if I were born on that side of the wire, I’d most probably would be throwing stones and drawing ugly pictures.
One day they have to slug it out.
Actually there will be peace,because it’s written in the Bible. And this is how people will know who the anti-christ is.
I respectfully disagree.
A peace, regardless what the Bible says is impossible with the Muslims. The core tenant of their “religion” is to create a world of Dar al-Islam – one Muslim-run world. There is no room for Eretz Israel (or Europe, America) in that grand plan of Allah’s.
The vilification and incitement from so called ‘moderate’ PA leaders continues apace, NO different in scope than when Abu Mazen’s mentor, Arafat-the godfather of modern terrorism-was at the helm.Therefore, it is no understatement to suggest that the time for ‘peace’ has NEVER been farther away, as a new generation of jihadists are continually fed from the breast milk of terror.
What to do? Our only option in Israel is to exert MAXIMUM pressure on our own leaders to REVERSE course, not Kadima (forward) like, but backwards. Backwards to a time when our leaders upheld our national legacy and rights, our inviolate ties to our Jewish patrimony, not to a legacy which just magically appeared in 1948, (upon Israel’s rebirth) but to a legacy that spans 3,000 plus years. A longer legacy than ANY nation state can claim, a longer legacy than even the Muslims can claim under the banner of Islam,yet to be conceived among the religions of the world.
This volte face will come about when our leaders understand that their rule is in jeopardy IF they continue to defy and deny us what is ours. Leaders want nothing more than to remain in power, and if their power is up for grabs, anything is possible.
Only those who will assert our NATIONAL rights via educating our children, stripping the leftist media of its stranglehold, revamping the Supreme Court from its self perpetuating fiefdom, and generally gaining hold of our cultural and academic institutions should be supported.
Under the guise of ‘democracy’ our self appointed elitists have stolen our Jewish narrative, eviscerating its core. Our ship of state won’t be righted until our leaders swear loyalty to our Jewish legacy, instead of peace processing with Abu this, Abu that……Washington be damned.
By the way, the only time world leaders respect us is when we respect ourselves. To wit, after our glorious win in 1967, after the Six Day war when the amassing armies attempted to push us into the sea,(when we ironically recaptured our heartland, the land now called the ‘West Bank’, when in effect, it has always been for thousands of years, Judea and Samaria)we were NOT only respected but feared!
Our success flows from the above paradigms.As usual, Hornik’s analysis is spot on.
Don’t give the Palestinians ANYTHING. They already have a homeland. It’s called Jordan. They can go live there. If they don’t like that, then they will have to sit down with the Israelis and cut the best deal that they can. The Palestinians could have had a state of their own under Bill Clinton in 2000. It was the best deal they could ever get and they still turned it down. The Palestinians want ALL of the land and Israel to be destroyed. There really is no point in talking to them anymore until they recognize Israel’s right to exist and renounce terrorism and any further warfare against Israel. Good luck with that. The corrupt, selfish, and greedy men who lead the Palestinians have no interest in peace because constant warfare is more profitable to them. They enjoy living on the handouts from other countries like Saudi Arabia. No more talking. Unless the Palestinians are really serious about ending this stupid war with Israel, then they can all pound salt for the rest of eternity.
Yes you have hit the nail on the head. The Palestinian state already exists it’s called Jordan. Let them move there and leave Israel and the Israeli people in peace. I thought I was alone in thinking that Jordan was the new Palestine.
Yes. And I believe Gaza was once part of Egypt. But I’m not sure either Egypt or Jordan would want the Palestinians back. The threat to internal stability would be too great. It seems the Palestinians have burned all their bridges behind them.
Have a look at the flags of both Jordan and so called “Palestine”.
Q: How can there ever be peace between Israel and the Palestinians when the “moderate” Fatah glorifies the terrorist who plotted the 1972 massacre of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympic Games?
A: There can’t.
Dang, beat me to it!
Muslims Lie…Mohammed told them it was Gods will for them to lie.
And steal, and cheat, and kill and maim…Lie about your intentions so you ca be a more effective killer, thief, and terrorist once your enemy has let his guard down.
This is Islam, in Islams own sacred texts…
Nothing they say can ever be trusted.
All anyone in then west must do is compare their public statements to their actions, and they will see who really is the true force of evil is on this planet.
See who will NEVER accept peace on any terms, with anyone, because it is simply NOT their way of living.
Terrorists all, until they reject Isalm and become civilized.
All else is folly and wishfull thinking, at our peril
To worship a god who lies (As Allah himself is called ‘The Master of Deceit’ in the holy texts of Islam! Look it up! It’s there!) is to worship the Devil.
To follow a god who commands you to lie (and cheat, and steal, and kill) is to follow the devil.
You can find no trust in such a god, and will find no salvation… for if he himself can lie, how can you tell if he’s not lying to you?
Only the God of Truth and Love (Who is Christ) can offer a salvation you can trust in… For he has never lied to us, and never will.
Chaz,
“You can find no trust in such a god, and will find no salvation… ..for if he himself can lie, how can you tell if he’s not lying to you?
Perfectly said, I bow to your brilliance in that simple, clearly explained truth.
Chaz not many say what you have said, but I’ve believed it for a long time, Allah will bow before the great white throne and acknowledge Christ as the one true God.
Hillery just promised the savages another $150 million. I think it is wasted money. If the Palestinians need that money they should get it from Arafat’s estate. Israel is correct, their position should be you lost it it is our land now live with it.
The “natural borders” for the State of Israel were attained at the conclusion of the Six-Day War in 1967; there was no reason for Israel to withdraw from them then, nor now.
The two-state charade needs to be abandoned, Israel must permanently annex the disputed region and discontinue the pursuit of any process that further divides the state. Politicians must cease in paying reckless homage to an inconceivable notion that the security of the Jewish people can be outsourced to a world body like the UN.
It’s actually worse than just garden variety hate.
The very existence of Israel challenges the basis of Islam. How could Allah even allow the accursed jews to not only set up a successful, flourishing state in the heart of the Islamic world, but horror of horrors, successfully defend themselves against the combined onslaughts of the armies of the faithful? Arab acceptance of Israel would challenge the very narrative of Islamic expansionism and allow for the possibility that maybe Islam ain’t what the prophet said it would be. This, I believe is at the heart of the conflict. The Arabs are not only in denial but, must maintain the illusion that Israel can be destroyed. It is why they must think the only reason Israel is successful is because it is supported by the US (the jews could never do it themselves).
So, in the end, the conflict is not just about land or refugees. It is about the failure of the Islamist narrative of triumphalism.
DD,
Forgive me for editing your very cogent thoughts, but I cannot resist:
“So, in the end, the conflict is not just about land or refugees. It is about the failure of the Islamist narrative of triumphalism.”
This can be distilled even further to simply:
“So, in the end, the conflict is…about the failure of the Islam”
Nothing will improve or change until rreasonable people accept and understand this truly, PAINFULLY obvious fact…An this unreasonable cult of Islam is abandoned for the failure that it is.
Obama’s mideast policy aims to weaken Israel, strengthen her enemies, and in so doing provoke an all-out war to destroy her. The entire State Department, all his close friends and advisors, and half of the Democratic Party support him in this policy, not to mention the Quartet’s other three members: the UN, the EU, and Russia.
More than likely, then, sad to say, this war will break out while Obama is still in office.
The Japanese and German peoples were similar to the muslims in the middle east today. Blind faith and following of a madman intent on destroying anyone that doesn’t agree with them. And the way to beat them is the same way we beat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, make the people want to stop fighting.
Notice when Israel strikes back, the muslim population immediately wants peace. But as soon as Israel stops attacking, they go back to launching rockets and suicide bombings. Until Israel convinces the paleostinian people that they need to change leadership to something that wants to live in peace, there will never be peace.
Same thing happened in Iraq and Afghanistan, half assed efforts at winning hearts and minds, letting them base their new constitutions on sharia, and the violence continues.
Fight to win or don’t fight at all. And tell the U.N. to “F” off.
That’s they way to peace in the middle east.
“Fight to win or don’t fight at all. And tell the U.N. to “F” off.
That’s they way to peace in the middle east.”
Yes, peace CAN be imposed, and it has in the past, as you point out. Trouble is, we worry alot (and thats sometimes a good thing) about the inevitable collateral damage and death of innocents that would result from such a policy.
Our Liberal press refuses to acknowledge the Islamists OBJECTIVE is Collateral Damage and the maximum death of innocents. And a 24 hour live news media will not permit the sort of “March to victory” that undoubtedly WORKS, but is out of fashion today.
Everyone knows the benovolence of the USA, and how Germany and particularly Japan (a non-christian, non-european nation?) were, following the war, basically dusted off and hugged, as we held their hand and escorted them along a new path. Old hatreds replaced with mutual respect, cooperation and prosperity for their people, as we welcomed them to a place among an admittedly imperfect but FUNCTIONING family of respectful Member States.
The entire middle east KNOWS this could be the result for them too, if they would just STOP THE TERRORISM and become civilized….
But that would mean “they” would have to admit “we” are right, and they cannot bring themselves to accept the truth…..To become a functioning, peaceful, civilized people, they would have to acknowledge the fact that Islam is a complete and utter human failure.
And they would rather destroy the entire world, than admit that.
“…the paleostinian people…”
I like that! It’s spot-on!
I also fully agree the UN is useless.
Someone needs to say “You’re not serious about peace, it’s time for us to get serious about war”!
The entire Oslo Process was a mistake. Israel should have never recognized the “Palestinians,” an identity that was manufactured by the Arabs to use against Israel. It never should have given them the right to administer their own territory. It never should have created the PA. It never should have disengaged from Gaza in 2005. And it should never accept a single Arab refugee, sever Jerusalem, which is Zion itself, or give away Judea and Samaria. Don’t concede a thing to these murderous, loathsome, bloodthirsty barbarians and jihadists.
As long as Israel’s neighbors follow Mohammad, and the god, there will be no peace.
Nothing has changed since 1967 except the scale of hate being spewed by the Phalicstinans. I spent a year there in 1972 as a child. I can remember posters in our classrooms warning us of what we should not touch if we find it by the side of the road.
These evil people would leave booby-trapped lunch bags, money, or candy on the sidewalk waiting for the next child to pick it up. The grocery store nearby my school was bombed by the PLO.
At what point do we admit that these people were never trustworthy enough to deal with? Enclose them. Wall them in. Let them seek money from someone else.
The only way there will be peace is if Israel is destroyed or the Palestinians are.
Our so called “commander in chief” has made it very clear by his words and by his actions that he will support the palestinians and will demonize the Jews. He has already guaranteed Jerusalem to them,even though Jerusalem is spoken of nowhere in their “holy books”.
Maybe if people knew that Barry had people living in Gaza making phone calls during the 08 elections,they would realize just how anti-American,just how corrupt and just how pro-muslim he really is.
The problem for Israel is that they simply cannot take over the West Bank and make it a part of sovereign Israeli territory. They are not using most of it now so give it to the Palestinians since it is inevitable anyway. Do it now and get it over with. Yes it will be another Gaza but build a wall around it and ignore them.
The good part is that it will disarm all the nonsense about occupation because most countries in the middle east know they cannot insist on Israel disbanding itself and will have to be happy about a Palestinian State, no matter how shrunken.
Give the Palestinians the West Bank and say, “That’s it, there you go, have a nice life, cuz there ain’t no more.”
Continued complaints from Islam will look pretty stupid and the Palestinian Arabs can shoot themselves in the foot as they have for 6 decades and not blame it on Israel or America anymore.
There really is no alternative so just do it and let’s get on with life.
James, just look at Gaza and you’ll see that your assumptions are wrong (as well meant as they are).
Israel withdrew unilaterally from Gaza just to received a barrage of thousands of rockets from Gaza and condemnations from the rest of the world for trying to protect her citizens.
Your suggestion may work for logical people like yourself and many of the posters on PJM but not for the Muslims nor the Jew hating left – they will always find a reason to hate and blame Israel and the Jews.
But those reasons, unlike Gaza which was only giving in a little, will be disarmed in the eyes of the rest of the world. Without public opinion, the matter will settle down as I am not interested in what muslims and leftist Jews think but what how the rest of the world see the matter. People will have to shut up or unreasonably start talking about Israel disbanding itself. Let’s face it, a Palestinian state will be so busy having it own internal civil wars and butting up against Jordan that Israel will be able to take a nice snooze, relatively speaking of course. The rest of the world can take a nice nap when the oil that woke up a centuries depleted culture runs out. Islam is the only major religion that was created in war and defined itself by its enemies. When the military option was taken away by the “innovative brilliance” of their own cultures, it was nappy time.
As Daniel Pipes has said, peace will come to the Middle East only when the Palestinians, and, I would add, the global Islamists, have been absolutely, irredeemably, irretrievably beaten to a pulp and have no dignity and/or hope whatsoever. Then, and only then, when the Islamists of the world are nothing but a disgusting memory of the spiritual and intellectual plague they have been to the rest of humanity, will the rest of the world be able to move forward. The Islamists are pathetic PIGS who have contributed nothing to the human race and have taken way, WAY too much. It’s time to exterminate them like the insects they are.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7274772-pakistani-christian-woman-sentenced-to-death-for-blasphemy-charges
“THE HATE PROCESS”
Alive and well; Thriving in the Democrat Party and LIBERAL MEDIA!!!!!!!
150 Million USD just released by the PA Authority to complete the Arafat Museum
JUST after
BO gave the OK to send 150 Million to the PA Authority
YOUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING USED TO BUILD A MUSEUM FOR ONE OF THE NASTIEST MASS MURDERERS AND THIEVES in History – so that they can preserve his Kaffiyeh for posterity!
We should empart again and again to them “Muslim” that their Koran is the source of all evil on earth, Either they can agree on it or not just that’s the way it goes.