Comments on: The GOP and the Stimulus Bust http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-gop-and-the-stimulus-bust/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:40:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: The Historian http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-gop-and-the-stimulus-bust/#comment-261401 The Historian Sun, 17 May 2009 21:45:13 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=56335#comment-261401 CALIFORNIA: FULL SPEED INTO THE ABYSS Voters poised to say NO to tax increase propositions from the legislature. The time of reckoning is near. http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/tuesday-may-19th-california-goes-over.html CALIFORNIA: FULL SPEED INTO THE ABYSS
Voters poised to say NO to tax increase propositions from the legislature. The time of reckoning is near.

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/tuesday-may-19th-california-goes-over.html

]]> By: Confused in Virginia http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-gop-and-the-stimulus-bust/#comment-261154 Confused in Virginia Sun, 17 May 2009 08:28:52 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=56335#comment-261154 I totally disagree that the stimulus was a missed opportunity for the Republicans, allthough I can understand how it can seem that way. While it may be possible that they could have added amendments to "finance needed defense spending, provide badly needed infrastructure, and provide tax assistance to employers to maintain and increase hiring," I think that it is highly unlikely that Mrs. Pelosi or Mr. Reid would have allowed it. I also believe that by not participating in the money grab as the Democrats have done, the Republicans are finally standing on principle and when everything unravels as it is starting to do, they will be seen as the people who put their country's well-being ahead of political greed. In time (probably not too far into the future), Republicans and moderate Democrats, who were mesmerized by the anti-Christ, will start waking up from their trance (especially if they lose their jobs or their homes) and realize what a grave mistake they made that November day, and will not repeat that mistake in 2012. So, you are correct in saying that "sometimes saying 'no' is exactly the right thing to do," but when it's a very difficult choice and it's done while standing firm on your principles, that is when you can win people over. I totally disagree that the stimulus was a missed opportunity for the Republicans, allthough I can understand how it can seem that way. While it may be possible that they could have added amendments to “finance needed defense spending, provide badly needed infrastructure, and provide tax assistance to employers to maintain and increase hiring,” I think that it is highly unlikely that Mrs. Pelosi or Mr. Reid would have allowed it.

I also believe that by not participating in the money grab as the Democrats have done, the Republicans are finally standing on principle and when everything unravels as it is starting to do, they will be seen as the people who put their country’s well-being ahead of political greed.

In time (probably not too far into the future), Republicans and moderate Democrats, who were mesmerized by the anti-Christ, will start waking up from their trance (especially if they lose their jobs or their homes) and realize what a grave mistake they made that November day, and will not repeat that mistake in 2012.

So, you are correct in saying that “sometimes saying ‘no’ is exactly the right thing to do,” but when it’s a very difficult choice and it’s done while standing firm on your principles, that is when you can win people over.

]]> By: Derek http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-gop-and-the-stimulus-bust/#comment-260096 Derek Fri, 15 May 2009 03:38:30 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=56335#comment-260096 @ comment 10 I was going to let what i said stand without evidence as just an aside, but i decided against that and went back and tried to edit everything. Didn't do a great job. BUT my main point is that the NYT article didn't even take the time to fact check their claims. And I remembered charts for spending timelines during the whole stimulus debacle, so I knew they were out there, so it's not like the NYT couldn't have done so. @ comment 10

I was going to let what i said stand without evidence as just an aside, but i decided against that and went back and tried to edit everything. Didn’t do a great job. BUT my main point is that the NYT article didn’t even take the time to fact check their claims. And I remembered charts for spending timelines during the whole stimulus debacle, so I knew they were out there, so it’s not like the NYT couldn’t have done so.

]]> By: Wallace http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-gop-and-the-stimulus-bust/#comment-260089 Wallace Fri, 15 May 2009 02:54:49 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=56335#comment-260089 <i>In other words: they were wrong. … It will be interesting to see how the new report “saves or creates” the same amount (3.5 to 4 million) of jobs by the end of 2010 that they promised at the bill signing-even though the country has lost more than 1 million jobs since then, ...</i> It won't be as interesting as he thought. Obama backed out of the number of created jobs claims already when he used the "saved job" term. Now he can claim success no matter how awful the situation is. - The number of lost jobs is 5 million. Well, that could've been worse. It could have been 9 million without the jobs saved by the stimulus. Success!! - The number of lost jobs is 10 million. It is <i>only<i> 10 million thanks to the One for passing a stimulus that prevented a 14 million lost job catastrophe. Success!! - The number of lost jobs is 15 million. Thanks to the stimulus it weren't 19 million. 4 million jobs saved. Success!! In other words: they were wrong. … It will be interesting to see how the new report “saves or creates” the same amount (3.5 to 4 million) of jobs by the end of 2010 that they promised at the bill signing-even though the country has lost more than 1 million jobs since then, …

It won’t be as interesting as he thought. Obama backed out of the number of created jobs claims already when he used the “saved job” term. Now he can claim success no matter how awful the situation is.

- The number of lost jobs is 5 million. Well, that could’ve been worse. It could have been 9 million without the jobs saved by the stimulus. Success!!

- The number of lost jobs is 10 million. It is only 10 million thanks to the One for passing a stimulus that prevented a 14 million lost job catastrophe. Success!!

- The number of lost jobs is 15 million. Thanks to the stimulus it weren’t 19 million. 4 million jobs saved. Success!!

]]> By: billslayer http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-gop-and-the-stimulus-bust/#comment-259983 billslayer Thu, 14 May 2009 23:02:49 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=56335#comment-259983 JED: If you like that idea then repeat it to everyone you know. Keep talking about it in these forums. Call into talk radio and talk about it there. If you hear of one of the republican establishment trying to push a watered down version of this with a million loopholes in it--call them out on it in all of the aforementioned forums. THIS is change we can believe in! JED:

If you like that idea then repeat it to everyone you know. Keep talking about it in these forums. Call into talk radio and talk about it there. If you hear of one of the republican establishment trying to push a watered down version of this with a million loopholes in it–call them out on it in all of the aforementioned forums. THIS is change we can believe in!

]]> By: JED http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-gop-and-the-stimulus-bust/#comment-259910 JED Thu, 14 May 2009 20:35:10 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=56335#comment-259910 The stimulus has not hit the fan yet and the market is wallowing in the lower mid ranges. Consumer confidence and spending is off. Where as the markets may be interpreted as recovering slightly, because they are not falling any faster, we will only know if the stimulus package worked after a few years. History trumphs journalism in matters of those measurements. Those measurement are a principle of hindsight. Gambling with our future is very exciting. Employment is predicted to be the last item to recover which does not sound like "trickle up economics." The quick fix is to increase federal employment. I like billslayer's pledge or something to that effect. That would be about responsibility on contract. The stimulus has not hit the fan yet and the market is wallowing in the lower mid ranges. Consumer confidence and spending is off. Where as the markets may be interpreted as recovering slightly, because they are not falling any faster, we will only know if the stimulus package worked after a few years. History trumphs journalism in matters of those measurements. Those measurement are a principle of hindsight. Gambling with our future is very exciting. Employment is predicted to be the last item to recover which does not sound like “trickle up economics.” The quick fix is to increase federal employment.
I like billslayer’s pledge or something to that effect. That would be about responsibility on contract.

]]> By: billslayer http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-gop-and-the-stimulus-bust/#comment-259788 billslayer Thu, 14 May 2009 17:45:31 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=56335#comment-259788 What the GOP needs is a pledge, a solemn oath by all elected members of the party that they will oppose--unless there's a goddam comet about to smash ben affleck--that they will oppose any and all forms of deficits pending, and in the existing context absolutely refuse to spend any more than 90% of tax until such time as ALL debt is paid off. Oh yeah, and no more sneaking around the taxpayers by issuing debt through the treasury! Who's with me????? What the GOP needs is a pledge, a solemn oath by all elected members of the party that they will oppose–unless there’s a goddam comet about to smash ben affleck–that they will oppose any and all forms of deficits pending, and in the existing context absolutely refuse to spend any more than 90% of tax until such time as ALL debt is paid off. Oh yeah, and no more sneaking around the taxpayers by issuing debt through the treasury! Who’s with me?????

]]> By: David W. Lincoln http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-gop-and-the-stimulus-bust/#comment-259756 David W. Lincoln Thu, 14 May 2009 16:58:22 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=56335#comment-259756 Yes, the option is open for the GOP to hold the Dems accountable for the increasingly larger credibility deficit that afflicts the US these days. For the United States has a trade deficit, and the US federal government is running a larger deficit these days. Yes, the option is open for the GOP to hold the Dems accountable for the increasingly larger credibility deficit that afflicts the US these days.

For the United States has a trade deficit, and the US federal government is
running a larger deficit these days.

]]> By: typos_R_us http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-gop-and-the-stimulus-bust/#comment-259747 typos_R_us Thu, 14 May 2009 16:53:09 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=56335#comment-259747 TOhio is correct. The Demonrats have hosed the economy so badly that it will take decades to get it right. I expect the voters will respond accordingly. So conservatives need to run off the Rino's. Let them go pig out at the Democratic trough. They will be gone after the next election anyway. Meanwhile, the Usurper crawfishin' ( southern talk for walking backwards) on the Torture photos tells me that the CIA finally got solid proof that the Usurper was born in Kenya. IIRC, they do the baby footprint thingie over there. Not real sure about that but they have to have something on the Usurper to make him spin on a dime like that. Wish I could have been a fly on the wall when that GS 17 from Turkey Run told the Usurper; "You publish those photos and we publish these." Now we see how far the left wants to go. What if the judges say release the photos and the CIA says 'No'? The Law does not reach where enforcement does not go. Who has the most guns? Democracy is so much fun! TOhio is correct. The Demonrats have hosed the economy so badly that it will take decades to get it right. I expect the voters will respond accordingly. So conservatives need to run off the Rino’s. Let them go pig out at the Democratic trough. They will be gone after the next election anyway.
Meanwhile, the Usurper crawfishin’ ( southern talk for walking backwards) on the Torture photos tells me that the CIA finally got solid proof that the Usurper was born in Kenya. IIRC, they do the baby footprint thingie over there. Not real sure about that but they have to have something on the Usurper to make him spin on a dime like that. Wish I could have been a fly on the wall when that GS 17 from Turkey Run told the Usurper; “You publish those photos and we publish these.”
Now we see how far the left wants to go. What if the judges say release the photos and the CIA says ‘No’?
The Law does not reach where enforcement does not go.
Who has the most guns?
Democracy is so much fun!

]]> By: typos_R_us http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-gop-and-the-stimulus-bust/#comment-259737 typos_R_us Thu, 14 May 2009 16:41:57 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=56335#comment-259737 L, I didn't read this the way you did. Not sure if it's me or it was so poorly written as to be confusing. "BTW, the timeline is to have 92 billion spent by October 2009, 6 percent means we’ve spent 47 billion already…" No, I didn't read the article. Why should I have to? If I want male bovine feces, I can just walk out to the back yard, where my neighbors bull is very much in residence. {snipped} "Nearly three months after President Obama approved a $787 billion economic stimulus package," {snipped} "According to the document linked, $816b was the amount of the stimulus." So which is it we are discussing? 787 billion, 816 billion or 92 billion. In the absense of other information, I had to assume he was talking about 92 billion, since that WAS the number applied to the subject of that sentence. So naturally I think that was the number we were talking about. Not my fault he changed subject in mid sentence. God knows I'm no English major but I do dimly remember being told that a new subject gets a new sentence. Has that changed? As far as the URL, that goes to the Congessional Budget Office ( that is what the cbo.gov means). The CBO is a joke. Anything you see from the CBO needs to be taken with several grains of salt. If a senior Congress critter decided that water runs uphill, the CBO would dutifully do a study and put out a report on how water runs uphill. CBO is even more politicized then the CIA or State. Almost as bad as Justice. I havn't practiced the arcane art of sentence deconstruction in several decades. I never much cared for it anyway, so I could have screwed the pooch on this one. Transposing the data to do a validity check, I get 50 months to complete the project, which fits the common sense test. I seriously doubt that the Usurper will still be in the oval office 50 months from now. I know, based on historic examples, the economy will be in worse shape in 50 months then it is now. The stimulus package adds nothing to the economy. It just moves money from one pile to another, with little bits getting lost in the process. It will keep things from hitting bottom until the make work is done. When all the roads are paved, the bridges to nowhere finished, the real crash will begin. Or at least that is what happened every other time a government has tried to spend it's way out of an economic crisis. L, I didn’t read this the way you did. Not sure if it’s me or it was so poorly written as to be confusing.

“BTW, the timeline is to have 92 billion spent by October 2009, 6 percent means we’ve spent 47 billion already…”

No, I didn’t read the article. Why should I have to?
If I want male bovine feces, I can just walk out to the back yard, where my neighbors bull is very much in residence.
{snipped}
“Nearly three months after President Obama approved a $787 billion economic stimulus package,”
{snipped}
“According to the document linked, $816b was the amount of the stimulus.”

So which is it we are discussing? 787 billion, 816 billion or 92 billion. In the absense of other information, I had to assume he was talking about 92 billion, since that WAS the number applied to the subject of that sentence. So naturally I think that was the number we were talking about.
Not my fault he changed subject in mid sentence. God knows I’m no English major but I do dimly remember being told that a new subject gets a new sentence. Has that changed?

As far as the URL, that goes to the Congessional Budget Office ( that is what the cbo.gov means). The CBO is a joke. Anything you see from the CBO needs to be taken with several grains of salt. If a senior Congress critter decided that water runs uphill, the CBO would dutifully do a study and put out a report on how water runs uphill.
CBO is even more politicized then the CIA or State. Almost as bad as Justice.

I havn’t practiced the arcane art of sentence deconstruction in several decades. I never much cared for it anyway, so I could have screwed the pooch on this one.
Transposing the data to do a validity check, I get 50 months to complete the project, which fits the common sense test. I seriously doubt that the Usurper will still be in the oval office 50 months from now. I know, based on historic examples, the economy will be in worse shape in 50 months then it is now.
The stimulus package adds nothing to the economy. It just moves money from one pile to another, with little bits getting lost in the process. It will keep things from hitting bottom until the make work is done. When all the roads are paved, the bridges to nowhere finished, the real crash will begin. Or at least that is what happened every other time a government has tried to spend it’s way out of an economic crisis.

]]>