Comments on: The Fraud Is Everywhere: SUNY Albany and Queens University Belfast Join Climategate (PJM Exclusive) http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fraud-is-everywhere-suny-albany-and-queens-university-belfast-join-climategate-pjm-exclusive/ Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:18:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: floraaketch http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fraud-is-everywhere-suny-albany-and-queens-university-belfast-join-climategate-pjm-exclusive/#comment-475363 floraaketch Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:27:29 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=73495#comment-475363 By that I mean latching on to this or that latest, most innovative idea that some self styled money making guru has put out in the hope it’ll go viral and make them a lot of money off the backs of all the headless chickens who will follow them blindly down a blind alley. Its a shame but a truism nonetheless that people will follow where someone they see as an expert leads. Even if they lead them to certain disaster, which is what most of the gurus tend to do to their flocks. The trick is to recognize a shadow when you see it! onlineuniversalwork By that I mean latching on to this or that latest, most innovative idea that some self styled money making guru has put out in the hope it’ll go viral and make them a lot of money off the backs of all the headless chickens who will follow them blindly down a blind alley. Its a shame but a truism nonetheless that people will follow where someone they see as an expert leads. Even if they lead them to certain disaster, which is what most of the gurus tend to do to their flocks.
The trick is to recognize a shadow when you see it!
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]]> By: Btok http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fraud-is-everywhere-suny-albany-and-queens-university-belfast-join-climategate-pjm-exclusive/#comment-464843 Btok Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:14:08 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=73495#comment-464843 Monckton Says Secretive Copenhagen Treaty Creates Global Government Tax “We’re looking at a grab for absolute power and absolute financial control worldwide by the UN and its associated bureaucracies and 700 new bureaucratic bodies,” said Monckton. Speaking about how such draconian measures were being forced through despite the recent scandal surrounding how key IPCC-affiliated scientists conspired to “hide the decline in global warming, Monckton emphasized how the climate change establishment were still ludicrously attempting to downplay the significance of the climategate emails by merely repeating their already discredited propaganda about global warming. “What has happened is that the mainstream media has done themselves terrible damage by signing up to this climate nonsense and then by servilely refusing to admit that climategate was happening, admit how serious it was and simply inform their readers of what was actually in these emails,” said Monckton, “Admissions that while they’re telling us, as the Met Office did just today, that today is the warmest decade since records began 150 years ago, privately what they’re saying in the climategate emails is ‘hey look we’ve got a temperature which has been falling and we can’t explain why and it’s a travesty that we can’t explain why’ – so they’re saying one thing to us publicly to maintain the scare that’s making them rich, and that’s what’s called fraud, it’s criminal fraud, and on the other hand they’re saying privately ‘oh dear oh dear we can’t account for the fact that there’s been no warming for the last 15 years’”.Monckton said that the Copenhagen treaty meant America was in “immediate peril” of losing its freedom to a “sinister dictatorship” being formed under the contrived pretext of global warming. infowars.com NEW! NEW! NEW! Check out the Copenhagen Document Leaks : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W7vrgW8GTQ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94KH-WMZuw0 - Tells how they will get rid of UN and use IMF to tax you! Protest the False Climate Measurments being used in the Copenhagen Treaty: http://www.gopetition.com/online/32485.html Monckton Says Secretive Copenhagen Treaty Creates Global Government Tax
“We’re looking at a grab for absolute power and absolute financial control worldwide by the UN and its associated bureaucracies and 700 new bureaucratic bodies,” said Monckton.
Speaking about how such draconian measures were being forced through despite the recent scandal surrounding how key IPCC-affiliated scientists conspired to “hide the decline in global warming, Monckton emphasized how the climate change establishment were still ludicrously attempting to downplay the significance of the climategate emails by merely repeating their already discredited propaganda about global warming.
“What has happened is that the mainstream media has done themselves terrible damage by signing up to this climate nonsense and then by servilely refusing to admit that climategate was happening, admit how serious it was and simply inform their readers of what was actually in these emails,” said Monckton, “Admissions that while they’re telling us, as the Met Office did just today, that today is the warmest decade since records began 150 years ago, privately what they’re saying in the climategate emails is ‘hey look we’ve got a temperature which has been falling and we can’t explain why and it’s a travesty that we can’t explain why’ – so they’re saying one thing to us publicly to maintain the scare that’s making them rich, and that’s what’s called fraud, it’s criminal fraud, and on the other hand they’re saying privately ‘oh dear oh dear we can’t account for the fact that there’s been no warming for the last 15 years’”.Monckton said that the Copenhagen treaty meant America was in “immediate peril” of losing its freedom to a “sinister dictatorship” being formed under the contrived pretext of global warming. infowars.com
NEW! NEW! NEW!
Check out the Copenhagen Document Leaks : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W7vrgW8GTQ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94KH-WMZuw0 – Tells how they will get rid of UN and use IMF to tax you!
Protest the False Climate Measurments being used in the Copenhagen Treaty: http://www.gopetition.com/online/32485.html

]]> By: Michael Goot http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fraud-is-everywhere-suny-albany-and-queens-university-belfast-join-climategate-pjm-exclusive/#comment-463043 Michael Goot Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:08:10 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=73495#comment-463043 Hello, My name is Michael Goot and I am the education reporter for The Daily Gazette of Schenectady, N.Y. I wanted to get in touch with Douglas J. Keenan about the issue of SUNY allegedly suppressing information for an article. Please send me an e-mail to the above address if you are reading this. Thanks. Hello,
My name is Michael Goot and I am the education reporter for The Daily Gazette of Schenectady, N.Y. I wanted to get in touch with Douglas J. Keenan about the issue of SUNY allegedly suppressing information for an article. Please send me an e-mail to the above address if you are reading this. Thanks.

]]> By: seansarto http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fraud-is-everywhere-suny-albany-and-queens-university-belfast-join-climategate-pjm-exclusive/#comment-460991 seansarto Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:29:12 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=73495#comment-460991 The Clinton Administration (Plantation), has been parasitic in their scamming of the Irish, especially the Northern Irish, and those in Upstate New York for quite a while now....out of desperation to seem popular...Selling a lot of people down the river for their house boys. The Clinton Administration (Plantation), has been parasitic in their scamming of the Irish, especially the Northern Irish, and those in Upstate New York for quite a while now….out of desperation to seem popular…Selling a lot of people down the river for their house boys.

]]> By: Aaron Kulkis http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fraud-is-everywhere-suny-albany-and-queens-university-belfast-join-climategate-pjm-exclusive/#comment-460260 Aaron Kulkis Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:26:19 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=73495#comment-460260 David Wilson That video is the most retarded crap I've ever seen. Waiting for clouds to drift, and then taking a second picture and TIGHTLY CROPPING IT is not proof of the moon "disappearing"... it's proof that the video-maker is misrepresenting reality to imply a conclusion that is not only unjustified, but patently untrue. Just like Mann, Jones, Hansen, Gore, and the rest of the global warming fraudsters. David Wilson

That video is the most retarded crap I’ve ever seen.

Waiting for clouds to drift, and then taking a second picture and TIGHTLY CROPPING IT is not proof of the moon “disappearing”… it’s proof that the video-maker is misrepresenting reality to imply a conclusion that is not only unjustified, but patently untrue. Just like Mann, Jones, Hansen, Gore, and the rest of the global warming fraudsters.

]]> By: PJM http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fraud-is-everywhere-suny-albany-and-queens-university-belfast-join-climategate-pjm-exclusive/#comment-459972 PJM Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:19:44 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=73495#comment-459972 The opposition here is not grounded in any robust scientific theory or alternative hypotheses (all of those, in their time, have been shot down and nothing new has been offered in years) but a hysterical reaction to the possibly of what?" Really. That is so laughably false it is surely an indicator only of how completely the 'sheeple' have been spoon-fed by the IPCC-Hockey-Stick Team. In truth, there ARE alternative hypotheses (based on the simple fact that feedback effects are far smaller than IPCC models predict). Consider this exchange a few years ago: CRU scientist, Tom Wigley, suggests that they target another troublesome editor: "If you think that Saiers is in the greenhouse skeptics camp, then, if we can find documentary evidence of this, we could go through official AGU channels to get him ousted." That's exactly what they did, and a later e-mail boasts that "The GRL leak may have been plugged up now w/new editorial leadership there." See: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/24/the_fix_is_in_99280.html IF THERE WAS NO ALTERNATIVE THEORIES OR DATA TO BASE SKEPTICISM ON, WHY WERE CRU/IPCC SCIENTISTS LIKE JONES AND WIGLEG CONSPIRING TO GET 'SKEPTICS' FIRED AS EDITORS? The opposition here is not grounded in any robust scientific theory or alternative hypotheses (all of those, in their time, have been shot down and nothing new has been offered in years) but a hysterical reaction to the possibly of what?”

Really. That is so laughably false it is surely an indicator only of how completely the ‘sheeple’ have been spoon-fed by the IPCC-Hockey-Stick Team. In truth, there ARE alternative hypotheses (based on the simple fact that feedback effects are far smaller than IPCC models predict).

Consider this exchange a few years ago:
CRU scientist, Tom Wigley, suggests that they target another troublesome editor: “If you think that Saiers is in the greenhouse skeptics camp, then, if we can find documentary evidence of this, we could go through official AGU channels to get him ousted.” That’s exactly what they did, and a later e-mail boasts that “The GRL leak may have been plugged up now w/new editorial leadership there.”
See:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/24/the_fix_is_in_99280.html

IF THERE WAS NO ALTERNATIVE THEORIES OR DATA TO BASE SKEPTICISM ON, WHY WERE CRU/IPCC SCIENTISTS LIKE JONES AND WIGLEG CONSPIRING TO GET ‘SKEPTICS’ FIRED AS EDITORS?

]]> By: Rubicon http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fraud-is-everywhere-suny-albany-and-queens-university-belfast-join-climategate-pjm-exclusive/#comment-459690 Rubicon Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:08:30 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=73495#comment-459690 Reliance on the government does not necessarily mean socialism. It does mean serious bureaucracy. At issue is, the data has been fudged. Now, with the old temperature records lost or destroyed, few can rely on any of the findings of these folks. They have no basis in fact to start from. So anything they promote, can only be based on their 'homogenized' temperature figures. An old computer axiom is, if you input garbage data, all you will get out is garbage data. Add to this fiasco the very real fact that most of the solutions are based solely on more government, more bureaucracy, more regulations, more taxes, more limitations & restrictions on human beings, & more centralized government, and what many suspect as global government, may not only in fact be true, the truth in those conspiracy theories may have been just why such folks have been marginalized by the AGW proponents all along! The failures to release source code data for how they reached conclusions, demonstrates these guys have been winging it for decades. Otherwise, Dr. Mann would have released his source code data for the now debunked 'Hockey Stick.' Its time the so-called scientists started over with actual confirmed data & be required to go through all sorts of peer review before they can make draconian governmental recommendations to change how this world functions. Reliance on the government does not necessarily mean socialism. It does mean serious bureaucracy.
At issue is, the data has been fudged. Now, with the old temperature records lost or destroyed, few can rely on any of the findings of these folks. They have no basis in fact to start from. So anything they promote, can only be based on their ‘homogenized’ temperature figures. An old computer axiom is, if you input garbage data, all you will get out is garbage data.
Add to this fiasco the very real fact that most of the solutions are based solely on more government, more bureaucracy, more regulations, more taxes, more limitations & restrictions on human beings, & more centralized government, and what many suspect as global government, may not only in fact be true, the truth in those conspiracy theories may have been just why such folks have been marginalized by the AGW proponents all along! The failures to release source code data for how they reached conclusions, demonstrates these guys have been winging it for decades. Otherwise, Dr. Mann would have released his source code data for the now debunked ‘Hockey Stick.’
Its time the so-called scientists started over with actual confirmed data & be required to go through all sorts of peer review before they can make draconian governmental recommendations to change how this world functions.

]]> By: david wilson http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fraud-is-everywhere-suny-albany-and-queens-university-belfast-join-climategate-pjm-exclusive/#comment-459509 david wilson Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:26:16 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=73495#comment-459509 NO POINT IN EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE CLIMATE UNLESS YOU TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPwGX3EnDWc NO POINT IN EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE CLIMATE UNLESS YOU TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPwGX3EnDWc

]]> By: kochevnik http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fraud-is-everywhere-suny-albany-and-queens-university-belfast-join-climategate-pjm-exclusive/#comment-459449 kochevnik Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:00:27 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=73495#comment-459449 The opposition here is not grounded in any robust scientific theory or alternative hypotheses (all of those, in their time, have been shot down and nothing new has been offered in years) but a hysterical reaction to the possibly of what? One-world government? The return of communism? If that's the fear, perhaps someone can explain why the preferred solution to climate change offered by former proponents of inaction is nuclear power. Has there ever been a nuclear reactor built anywhere in the world that didn't rely on government to get it done? Sounds like socialism, doesn't it? Hello France? USSR? USA? The opposition here is not grounded in any robust scientific theory or alternative hypotheses (all of those, in their time, have been shot down and nothing new has been offered in years) but a hysterical reaction to the possibly of what? One-world government? The return of communism? If that’s the fear, perhaps someone can explain why the preferred solution to climate change offered by former proponents of inaction is nuclear power. Has there ever been a nuclear reactor built anywhere in the world that didn’t rely on government to get it done? Sounds like socialism, doesn’t it? Hello France? USSR? USA?

]]> By: Patrick M. http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fraud-is-everywhere-suny-albany-and-queens-university-belfast-join-climategate-pjm-exclusive/#comment-459438 Patrick M. Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:40:50 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=73495#comment-459438 "The fraud was obvious to anyone that seriously looked for it (eg past CO2 levels of 7000ppm vs 380ppm now don’t indicate need to panic, and medieval warm periods don’t just disappear). But I still want to know, where was the media all this time?" The media was and is a liberal agenda-driven media. They have hyped this with more bias and irresponsibility than even the scientists. The whole of global warming science can be summed up in one sentence: IF YOU TORTURE DATA LONG ENOUGH, IT WILL CONFESS TO ANYTHING. The email trove and the "Harry_read_me.txt" shows case after case of data fudging, hiding data that doesnt fit the theory, making little wrong adjustments to 'hide the decline' ... all in the name of making the 'case' for man-made global warming stronger than it really is. The media is in on the game, selectively reporting only far-fetched worst-case scenarios and ignoring the skeptic realistic doubts and conflicting information. In reality, the last 60 years have shown a non-remarkable and slight (0.4C) warming, if that much (since dodgy temperature adjustments were also a part of the games played by CRU, GISS and Hadley). In reality, the more commonsense view is to consider the Co2 impact to NOT be amplified by water vapor feedback, since observations are showing negative feedbacks. In reality, tree rings lack accuracy to help us determine detailed temperature trends. In reality, polar bears are doing fine, the sea isnt rising much at all and antarctic ice mass is growing. “The fraud was obvious to anyone that seriously looked for it (eg past CO2 levels of 7000ppm vs 380ppm now don’t indicate need to panic, and medieval warm periods don’t just disappear). But I still want to know, where was the media all this time?”

The media was and is a liberal agenda-driven media. They have hyped this with more bias and irresponsibility than even the scientists.

The whole of global warming science can be summed up in one sentence: IF YOU TORTURE DATA LONG ENOUGH, IT WILL CONFESS TO ANYTHING.
The email trove and the “Harry_read_me.txt” shows case after case of data fudging, hiding data that doesnt fit the theory, making little wrong adjustments to ‘hide the decline’ … all in the name of making the ‘case’ for man-made global warming stronger than it really is.

The media is in on the game, selectively reporting only far-fetched worst-case scenarios and ignoring the skeptic realistic doubts and conflicting information.

In reality, the last 60 years have shown a non-remarkable and slight (0.4C) warming, if that much (since dodgy temperature adjustments were also a part of the games played by CRU, GISS and Hadley). In reality, the more commonsense view is to consider the Co2 impact to NOT be amplified by water vapor feedback, since observations are showing negative feedbacks. In reality, tree rings lack accuracy to help us determine detailed temperature trends. In reality, polar bears are doing fine, the sea isnt rising much at all and antarctic ice mass is growing.

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