The Fraud Is Everywhere: SUNY Albany and Queens University Belfast Join Climategate (PJM Exclusive)
Suppose that during the Medieval Warm Period, Earth was 1°C warmer than today. That would imply that the tipping point is more than 1°C higher than today’s temperature. For Earth’s temperature to increase 1°C might take roughly a century (at the rate of increase believed to be currently underway). So we would not have to be concerned about an imminent disruption of the climate system.
Finding out how warm the Medieval Warm Period is thus of enormous importance for the study of global warming.
It turns out that global (or at least hemispheric) temperatures are reflected by the climate in western Ireland (for a short explanation of that, see my site). Trees grow in western Ireland, of course, and each year those trees grow a ring. Thick rings indicate climate conditions that were good for the trees; thin rings indicate the opposite. If many trees in western Ireland had thick rings in some particular years, then climatic conditions in those years were presumably good. Tree rings have been used in this way to learn about the climate centuries ago.
Queen’s University Belfast has data on tree rings that goes back millennia — and in particular, to the Medieval Warm Period. QUB researchers have not analyzed the data, because they lack the expertise to do so.
They also refuse to release the data. The story is scandalous.
I have been trying to obtain the data via the UK Freedom of Information Act since April 2007.
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(Nature.com had a brief piece about my FOIA request. The piece has statements from QUB that are dishonest: see my comment posted there. Statements from QUB therefore should be checked. My site has source documents for its claims.)
Continued digging will reveal more and more rot, as this whole thing is one giant fraud designed to “perception manage” the public into accepting totalitarian government. Where the h**ll is the Republican leadership on this? One Senator? The wall is cracked, lets knock it down!
Republican leadership is non-existent. There are a few republicans left. Democrats are all aboard with Obama-Gore scheme. All those “scientists” use federal money (my money) grants to conduct such scheme. And there is nothing in view to fix this problem. Not until 2010 anyway. But, I look at it as another pile of dunk in the sheet-storm that is coming. Oh yes, it does.
For unsurpassable satire of climate scientists gone wild, read “The Secret Life of Climate Scientists” at http://iowahawk.typepad.com/.
AGW has been “Madoffed.” TIMBERRRRR.
Steven
The frauds have been working on this mess since the 1970′s with Global Cooling. However, the Global Warming crap has hit the fan as the e-mails have been revealed to show the data to be corrupted by the so-called “scientists.” The bubble has burst. And the house of cards is still crashing down as the MSM tries to ignore it. This mess goes all the way to the White House with Obama’s czar.
Republican leadership won’t touch this. If they do it will be all about the big bad Republicans and the message will dilute. Nope, these climate folks are going to swim with the sharks on this one.
My own personal feeling is if a climatologist can’t even predict next day weather…..you know the rest and the rest if allowed (cap& trade) will put one of the final strangle holds on American business hence our personal lives. Which is this administrations entire intent, no?
So . . . NOW WHAT?
So . . . NOW WHAT? Somehow, lots of people have reached the conclusion that typing comments into a website means “taking action.” Guess what? It doesn’t. There needs to be a HUGE demonstration in Copenhagen for the international global warming talks, and somebody needs to figure out how to organize it. These talks need to be conducted against a backdrop of huge crowds of people saying “enough is enough!”
Regime change is coming, thanks to the fearmongering of the climate change alarmists: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8387653.stm
So, those in the Beltway, it is in your best interests to heed this: Change your tune, otherwise you will be quarantined and what you have to say will be as consequential as those onboard the disorient express. Or should I say, as inconsequential.
Therefore, I reiterate: An Alternative government which enacts what Michael Walker has to say about monetary policy, and what Michael ledeen says about foreign policy, with all the Valerie Plame’s discharged from sabotaging what comes from higher up.
Don’t get your hopes up. No matter what variety of scientific sins comes to light, no matter how weak and vaporous the evidence base is shown to be, if anyone thinks it’s going to be easy to slow down the gravy train that the Climate Change Consensus has become, they are sadly, naively mistaken. The vested interests are too wide and deep, and the sums of money to be made are far too large for that.
Makes you think how many good scientists had their names ruined be these charlatans.
Looking for leadership on this issue from our “leaders” is futile. The world needs a popular ground swell from the bottom up to fight back. It’s to bad so many have brainwashed for so long they will never shed their beliefs in lies.
The socialist frauds in the MSM and government are still in denial. These radical leftists who depise america will never admit their AGW fantasy is dead. The only way to defeat these non american back stabbers, is to boot their commie asses all the way to cuba in the next elections.
While its true that simply commenting on websites is unlikely to effect real change, I think I’m sensing a growing trend towards derision and mockery of the AGW true believers. Never underestimate the power of mockery as a political weapon to defeat your opponents. Al Gore, Ed Begley, now these scientists, are being exposed as frauds and laughable fools.
Its not sufficient, but it may help if these types are laughed out of the public square.
Sen. Inhofe (R OK), a long time skeptic of AGW, has called for a senate investigation. I am sure the democrat leadership will get right on it.
So, how much more evidence of fraud and deceit has to come to light before we reach a “tipping point” on AGW?
Good article about the Gassers, those who believe in Anthropomorphic Global Warming (IE truthers, birthers etc.) from the WSJ.
Climategate: Follow the Money
Climate change researchers must believe in the reality of global warming just as a priest must believe in the existence of God.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703939404574566124250205490.html?mod=rss_opinion_main“]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405…ss_opinion_main
The planet fever hysteria has long been recognized as a fraud by some of us, still in the minority as of today, and we gather at a comment thread like this one like campers around the fire pit. But I don’t know how to spread healthy skepticism among the true believers. Do you?
“Trees grow in western Ireland, of course, and each year those trees grow a ring. Thick rings indicate climate conditions that were good for the trees; thin rings indicate the opposite. If many trees in western Ireland had thick rings in some particular years, then climatic conditions in those years were presumably good. Tree rings have been used in this way to learn about the climate centuries ago.”
…by the warmmongers, and invalidly. “Dendroclimatology,” I’m afraid, is about as useful as measuring cranial dimensions to divine personality. There is simply no way, at least at present, to tease out meaningful temperature effects on tree growth from the background noise of local rainfall, winds, soil nutrients, direct CO2 ‘fertilization’, competing vegetation etc etc etc.
I actually have followed the very useful field of dendrochronology, since my grandfather was one of A. E. Douglass’ assistants in the 1920s. But d-chron simply matches patterns, it doesn’t attempt to ‘read’ the patterns as if they were woody tea leaves
Now that you caught them red-handed, why not pursue this legally for compensation. Laws were violated and you incurred damages.
If there is a tipping point at all. There’s nothing that guarantees that there are tipping points at any temperature.
As for what happens now, 2010 has to be the focus. Every House seat is up for grabs along with 36 Senate seats. Every Dick and Jane in here with conservative principles needs to become very active for these elections. Those elections will determine whether this economic rape will continue or be stopped in it’s tracks for another generation. 2010 feeds 2012.
“though about a thousand years ago, there was a time known as the Medieval Warm Period when much of Earth appears to have been unusually warm. It is not currently known just how warm the Medieval Warm Period was, but clearly the warmth then was below the tipping point because Earth’s climate continued without problem.”
Wow! Now I’m REALLY confused. Let me see if I have the facts correct: around 1000 A.D., the Vikings were pillaging and polluting. I thought the Vikings used SHIPS for travel, NOT SUV’s. And the Native Americans were also traveling by SUV’s? So, if we’re going to punish someone for global warming, let’s start with the descendants of the Vikings. (I’m in favor of letting native Americans off the hook, though, ’cause after all, they been screwed by Washington for well over a hundred years.)
When did “science” become science fiction? And why am I being forced to pay for this crap?
to commenter #17,
..keep doing exactly what you are doing:
talk and write about it.
avalanches are good metaphors:
such a fury unleashed by the tiniest pebble
..or a snowflake.
..or a sound.
My irony meter broke. It froze up. Joe Romm who is a sock puppet for George Soros on climateprogress, calls the sckeptics as anti-science. Now we see what troo anti science looks like. There is pressure to publish and request grants. Even when Wang has to fudge the numbers.
3 million viewers can read this also on Wattssupwithat web site.
This scam will soon be too big for the MSM to ignore.
Get involved. We skeptics have a strong ally in the Senate. James Inhofe has been an unwavering critic of AGW and has been seemingly the lone voice of reason. He is calling for an investigation.
Write to him, thank him and encourage him to press on for an investigation – including NASA and GISS (James Hansen) http://inhofe.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm
Even if you are not in his district every email he receives gives him more leverage and encourages him that his efforts are appreciated.
The Left presumes to take the irrefutable high moral ground on every issue, and then to demonize the opposition as heartless for not supporting the Leftist takeover. The Left’s proposition for the world is that they can control the weather if We The People will just pay them enough and give them enough power over our lives. Their “we-care-about-living-in-the-cleanest-environment-possible-and-you-don’t” has worn tissue paper thin, like Obama’s race card. The Left has always claimed to have a monopoly on compassion, since feelings and superstition is all they seem to have to support their fascism. There are thousands like me, who have degrees in hard sciences, have worked as professional environmental biologists where data was meticulously and honestly collected. We have devoted time to reading available information and considered it as scientists, not acolytes of a Leftist pseudo-religion, and found it failing the basics of the scientific method in its collection and conclusions. The Left has produced a science fiction apocalyse novel, made it into a movie, and, like Scientologists, are trying to sell it as a religion. But the Global Climate religion is not based on free will; it is being legislated on us by this government, like dhimmis under the caliphate, and we will pay the jizrah as non-believers.
What #1 Fairbanks99 said. We don’t need no education from Leftists. We don’t need no thought ocntrol by Progressives, no dark sarcasm from the public servants turned royalty. Humpty Dumpty Climate Fraud is falling, and the wall of brickheads who support him should be knocked down right on top of him and Obama The King with all his con men.
One if by land two if by sea.
#26 JASP. Done.. and thanks for the contact information.
I am sorry Folks,
I have to keep telling you a bitter truth.
“Totalitarian” means totalitarian.
It doesn’t matter how “much” truth you think we can reveal: from all that truth WILL NOT derive the consequence that the plans of the totalitarians will be stopped.
They will march with iron boots over all the truth we can reveal, and much more.
The CHIMERA of internationalist subversives, neo-communists, black supremacists, islamists, UN overlords that is moving war against the West and against freedom will not stop just because of a “little detail” like …truth.
They are totalitarians, and we are already their subjects.
We can only hope to have the chance to roll them back with peaceful elections, starting next year, but this year will be long and difficult, they control a lot of brainwashing power and they will do ANYTHING to succeed.
I have a question for whoever knows the answer.
If a tree ring is relatively wide for a given year, how do we know it was relatively wide due to plentiful rainfall that year, or because of lots of sunny days that year, or because of the average air temperature that year? Is there a way to split the three factors apart, or to eliminate one or two of them ?
Mr. Douglas J. Keenan
Thank you for your honest and hard work.
Science we can believe in.
-little humor-
Galaxy Quest quotes-
Never give up- Never surrender.
by Grabthar’s hammer… by the Sons of Warvan… you shall be… avenged. You shall be avenged.
The question has been posed on this thread about how can we become involved and assist in stopping the runaway train of deceit and false information dissiminated by the cultish followers of AGW. The Al Gore disciples have the center stage by way of controlling the MSM, entertainment industry, and now, Washington.
We, the skeptics and questioners of the inexact science, have been labeled everything from Holpocaust deniers to traitors. Now that some actual proof and evidence of collusion and coersion is before us, we need to use it to our full advantage.
If you are serious, then use the link to Senator Inhofe and send him a message, asking how you can help. Send a message to your Representative and Senator demanding an investigation into the allegations of fraud and deceit. Let them know that you will be contacting as many of your friends as possible and in turn, they will do the same for their circle of friends and family. Remember, Obama was elected doing the very same thing and we have not been prohibited from following the same tactics.
This time, take action instead of a strong drink. This time, get off your ass and let it be known that we are not going to take this lying down anymore. How long will it take for each of us to compose a short email or letter and send it to Washington? If you can take 30 minutes to watch a situation comedy, you can surely take the same time to help your children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren not be burdened with a future of burdensome debt.
It is up to each of you. Do your part. I’m doing mine.
Mister Bee; There may well be a human effect on climate. Ten thousand years ago, agriculture was invented and the climate has probably been significantly impacted by that fact. Maybe that is why we have not had another severe ice age although the Little Ice Age was bad enough. I have long thought that I would start to get concerned with global warming when there are farms in Iceland, as there were in 1200 AD. Also, with modern efficiency in agriculture, large areas are going back to forest in Europe and America although Brazil is still cutting rain forest. That will probably stop as Brazil gets richer. I will believe that the warmists are serious when I see them support nuclear power.
Everything Michael Mann & Co have done is based on their 1,000 year temperature data bank. If this data is bad, their science is bad. It’s that simple. This data is mostly based on tree rings.
By 1998, many of these guys had invested years and even decades of work based on tree ring data. It’s in 1998 that the “divergence problem” was first recognized: Starting in 1960, tree ring data “diverted” from actual instrument readings. That means thermometers gave one reading, tree rings a different reading.
This is actual scientific proof that tree ring data is suspect. If tree rings don’t work for the last 40 years, why do we think they work for the last 1,000 years. If tree ring-based data is suspect, everything that Mann & Co have done is suspect. QED There are other issues with their methodologies, but this is fundamental. This is the elephant in the room.
They say that the “trick” to “hide the decline” was over how they spliced the old tree ring data with the new data from instruments. So they’re not denying the elephant in the room. They just hope we don’t see it.
29. Sherab Zangpo:
I am sorry Folks,
I have to keep telling you a bitter truth.
“Totalitarian” means totalitarian.
It doesn’t matter how “much” truth you think we can reveal: from all that truth WILL NOT derive the consequence that the plans of the totalitarians will be stopped.
They will march with iron boots over all the truth we can reveal, and much more.
The CHIMERA of internationalist subversives, neo-communists, black supremacists, islamists, UN overlords that is moving war against the West and against freedom will not stop just because of a “little detail” like …truth.
They are totalitarians, and we are already their subjects.
We can only hope to have the chance to roll them back with peaceful elections, starting next year, but this year will be long and difficult, they control a lot of brainwashing power and they will do ANYTHING to succeed.
sadly you are correct. I don’t think there is sufficient will to reverse the march of the totalitarians.
30. Wil:
I have a question for whoever knows the answer.
If a tree ring is relatively wide for a given year, how do we know it was relatively wide due to plentiful rainfall that year, or because of lots of sunny days that year, or because of the average air temperature that year? Is there a way to split the three factors apart, or to eliminate one or two of them ?
I will pretend you are not a troll.
the tree needs good weather period. that means sufficient rain and sun shine.
that broadly equates to a relatively warm period.
lots of rain alone will not do it nor will just sun shine. there are lots of sunny days in winter and the trees don’t grow. it is the heat units that are required with sufficient rain. …oh yeah the trees need CO2 as well.
One thing everyone with a printer can do is select three or four of the best articles/posts from the past week and print multiple copies of those.
Give them to friends and family. Leave them in public places where people tend to read newspapers, etc..
Since the MSM isn’t covering this story, the public that is aware can carry out the duty of those journalists who have abducated theirs.
I am uncertain of the legality of printing the actual e-mails so I would select articles and posts that do not copy them.
#34 Samson
You write:
“sadly you are correct. I don’t think there is sufficient will to reverse the march of the totalitarians.”
There is the will.
But the subversives have worked at occupying schools, universities, newspapers, and televisions for forty years.
The subversives are a tiny minority but have occupied the strategic points of the society with precise military strategy (Command, Control, Communications and Intelligence).
From that, they derive an enormous goebbelsian power of instant brainwashing.
We need a “prophet of Freedom”, a Thomas Jefferson. A person of subtle intelligence, unfathomable passion for Freedom, unquestionable honesty, AND deep wisdom.
We are facing a CHIMERA of enemies of Freedom, the thing that keeps emerging in history.
We can only pray that our souls will open to the Light of God.
Bart/Folks,
Waxman-Markey, a precursor to an economy-shattering cap and trade bill, has passed the House and will probably be considered by the Senate in 2010. That should provide a near-perfect forum (it would be more perfect if the Repubs could somehow gain control) for the fraud of AGW science to be aired in hearings and debate. We have time to get our act together, propose witnesses to the committees and prepare an airtight presentation. I am not a scientist and do not play one on TV, so I would not be useful in the nuts and bolts but I have been making fairly persuasive presentations of one kind or another for my adult life and would be willing to help. A 501(c) corp could be set up, accept donations and get the ball rolling. Maybe one already exists for a purpose like this. Somebody has to do this for our kids and grandkids.
“In 2007, I published a peer-reviewed paper…”
Yeah, in a VERY marginal journal. Check it out! PJM is assembling quite a company of climate “experts.”
The evidance of climate science fraud is so open and shut that even the usual trolls aren’t bothering to show up to dispute it. Maybe it is Morning In America. Even a year of this nonsense seems like an eternity.
I am glad that global warming has been exposed as the scam that knew that it was for years. As a proud PennStater I am sad to hear that one of the head ‘glow warmer’ is from Penn State. I think all Penn State alumni should let the school know how angry we are by NOT donating to the school until this guy is tossed!
Same goes with the alumni association, no money until Mann is gone!!!
“Its the Economy, stupid. ”
No offense to those here.
Health Care or Cap and Trade;
We cannot afford the taxes,
let alone the negative effects
on the industries involved.
Grass-roots up, people; no point
in getting on a soapbox, but be
ready to come-back when someone
glows on about how we simply must X:
we simply cannot afford it.
P.S. The hobnailed Jack-Boots are empty,
and TPTB will lack the time to fill them;
When the 2nd Great depression hits,
authority will devolve to the states
faster than you can say “Federalism”.
Then the challenge will be to avoid
conservative overcompensation.
I’m just an English major, but this whole discussion is making me wonder if the climate people are very smart or very stupid. Are tree rings one of the data points we are using to determine temperatures in the past? Because I can think of a lot of reasons that tree rings might be thicker or thinner that have nothing to do with temperature, CO2 or any other applicable AGW function. Is there any way to definitively link data like this to climate? I suspect not – it’s all wishful thinking and the push to publish something. The breezy way the author automatically assumes a connection makes me very nervous.
I’ve always had a problem with using tree rings as a temperature proxy anyway since their size is affected by more than just temperature. Rainfall, soil fertility and even how much the wind blows affects the growth of a tree. There is a comment in one of the emails about how reindeer poop could screw up a tree ring…
I don’t guess you will be talking to Phil-
Mendel also published “in a VERY marginal journal.” Didn’t make him wrong about genes.
44. Cardinal Fang:
I’m just an English major, but this whole discussion is making me wonder if the climate people are very smart or very stupid. Are tree rings one of the data points we are using to determine temperatures in the past? Because I can think of a lot of reasons that tree rings might be thicker or thinner that have nothing to do with temperature, CO2 or any other applicable AGW function. Is there any way to definitively link data like this to climate? I suspect not – it’s all wishful thinking and the push to publish something. The breezy way the author automatically assumes a connection makes me very nervous.
YES they are sure about tree ring data.
that is what the marxists have been altering and falsifying.
….don’t you hate it when you find some one tore the first page out of your global warming religion and then later find it and it starts of “Once Upon A Time…”
38. Sherab Zangpo:
I hope that there is the will …but I don’t think there enough and there isn’t a leader.
I am still more pessimistic then optimistic.
regards
Whoa, Nellie -
“For Earth’s temperature to increase 1°C might take roughly a century (at the rate of increase believed to be currently underway).”
Uhh, believed by whom? On which cooked data set does this belief rest? We need this information. It’s the difference between science and what we used to call at MIT “hand-wave mechanics.”
If we’ve learned anything from Climategate (aside from the obvious, that “activists” are true believers, not scientists), it’s that the days when an offhand and unspecific assertion of authority can pass as science are over. Let’s have a bit of precision of thought, please, as well as precision of data.
The entire global warming scam was cooked up circa 1980 by George Soros and his commie environut Maurice Strong. It is designed to attack anything based on carbon, a product with millions of uses in daily lives. The entire crap and tax hoax proposed by the onescum is nothing more than criminalizing cartbon usage. LAW, ACADEMIA,MEDIA AND POLITICS became taken over by communists in the 1960s. The results are seen in climategate. (1) scientists putting ideology over science(2) media perpetuating the hoax, and when exposed refusing to acknowledge it as such(3) scum such as Soros, Gore, Jones trying to hide behind “legal protections”, using our constitution when they are the worse abusers of the process. (4) an entire political party which is now dominated by there ideology and hatred of freedom, including capitalsim, which is merely economic freedom. Thomas Jefferson was correct. A little revolution every now and then IS a good thing.
Adding to 36/Samson and 45/choey:
Fertilizer as well. Apparently bears eating salmon are responsible for a fairly large part of the nitrogen requirements of the magnificent trees of the pacific northwest. It seems to me that if the bears or salmon locally were to disappear for a few seasons or a few decades for whatever reason (and other conditions remain equal) the tree rings corresponding to that time period for trees in that area would be scrawnier, skewing the data for anyone foolish enough to rely on a few trees only.
Some info (BTW the Suzuki Foundation is underwriting some of the research, maybe they’ll decide that tree rings aren’t good proxies for co2 or temperature
http://web.uvic.ca/~reimlab/treering2.htm
Reimchen et al are using N15 in tree rings as a proxy for salmon run abundance, the hypothesis being that salmon are the only significant source of N15 near salmon rivers. My guess is that there are analogous as yet unknown fertilizer transport mechanisms elsewhere.
For me this underscores how little we actually know of environmental dynamics. Pretty cool!
The whole “tipping point” argument should be viewed with great skepticism… were it the case, given known climate fluctuations over the past million years or so, with glaciations alternating with warm interglacials, the Earth would at some point have tipped and now be either a Venusian hell or a snowball.
The fact that it hasn’t doen that suggests the basic tendency is toward a fluctuating or banded equilibrium.
This isn’t proof, of course, but people arguing for a tipping point that we are rapidly approaching must bear a very heavy burden of proof.
Proxy data introduces accuracy vs precision issues. Personally the historical written record, to me, is more valid and limited. But the climatologists know that they have the interpretive skills no others possess.
Bohemond, as you said yourself, they show a pattern. That in and of itself is proof that what we see today is the status-quo in regard to global climate. The period in Earth’s history when life was most abundant was much warmer than it is today. The Earth is in a constant state of change.
The fraud was obvious to anyone that seriously looked for it (eg past CO2 levels of 7000ppm vs 380ppm now don’t indicate need to panic, and medieval warm periods don’t just disappear). But I still want to know, where was the media all this time?
Al Gore, Phil Jones and Michael Mann should go to jail.
Now it’s time to get to Obama’s background and birth certificate.
52. Captain Steve:
The fraud was obvious to anyone that seriously looked for it (eg past CO2 levels of 7000ppm vs 380ppm now don’t indicate need to panic, and medieval warm periods don’t just disappear). But I still want to know, where was the media all this time?
Al Gore, Phil Jones and Michael Mann should go to jail.
Now it’s time to get to Obama’s background and birth certificate.
YES to all the above !
Just what is it that governments are intending to do with their AGW ‘totalitarianism’? I can think of these options:
(1) It’s just a way of extracting more tax from the population – with the advantage that people feel good about being ‘green’ so pay it happily. But won’t these policies artificially restrict growth, thus reducing the overall tax take eventually?
(2) It’s just a favour to their rich friends who want to make a mint off carbon trading. But again, won’t there have to be real ‘caps’ for this to work, which again will restrict economic growth, and their friends have many other ways to fleece the masses anyway.
(3) It’s a backdoor route to ‘One World Government’/'New World Order’. People seem to have been talking about this for years. Not sure what’s in it for the politicians, but AGW is a good way of starting it off by stealth.
(4) Perhaps Peak Oil is really here and it has been decided that we must wind down the excesses of the global free market, otherwise we will descend into competing over a ‘zero sum game’. AGW is a global threat that means we all accept a lower standard of living without fighting each other about it.
(5) The West has to find a way to wriggle out of its debts and kill off Asian competition. AGW is a brilliant way of isolating ‘dirty’ China and controlling them.
I see (5) as the most likely. Any other ideas?
In the pre-pleistocene periods (Eocene, Miocene, Pliocene) the Earth averaged 10 degrees C warmer than now, the seas were deeper, there was much less forestation than now (multitudes of large grazing animals). The conceit is that the Ice Age in which we are living is normal. Of course temperatures are fluctuating, we’re in (according to the evidence) an interglacial period. (Previous Ice Ages lasted an average of five million years, we are only two million years into this one)
I suggest contacting the following
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/nolan/
Nolan likes a good story and I’d say would be more than happy to run with this one.
# 26 justasimplepatriot:
Just finished the message to Inhofe. Thanks for the link. I know too well what ideologically driven, Stalin-Lysenko type of science, is to be quiet this time around, when I am free.
I wonder if the MSM and the AGW true believers have already made a bad mistake on Climategate. Remember when early in the 2004 presidential race, John Kerry’s campaign decided to ignore the Swift Boat Veterans? After Kerry lost that election to Bush, the liberal CW was that if Kerry had fought back immediately he wouldn’t have been “Swift Boated”. Well, what have the AGW true believers done? They have ignored Climategate. There is almost nothing in the MSM about it and almost nothing on the left wing blogs. Instead of fighting back they’ve just been assuming they can get away with ignoring it forever. Bad mistake? I think so. Since liberals don’t care about results, how can they learn from their mistakes?
So maybe you guys who are so sure we’re screwed are just wrong. Please try to keep an open mind about it unless you’re a liberal troll and wouldn’t recognize an open mind if it bit you.
Australia just voted their version of crap and tax down …
Brasso
“AGW is a global threat that means we all accept a lower standard of living without fighting each other about it.”
The strategy to lower the standard of living in the US so the developing world loses the aspirations of acheiving the same quality of life may be at play. No middle class…the bottom class and the chosen elite. Howard Dean said quite plainly that the democratic party was finally employing the useful elements of Socialism while restricting Capitalism to where it does no harm (my paraphrasing).
It’s out there on you tube.
After Gore lost the election to Bush Steve Jobs put him on the Board of Directors of Apple Computers at a very hefty salary. Millions. This gave Gore the money, time and place to play his part in this fraud. Shame on Apple Computers for your part in this seedy mess.
PS (Typed on an Apple Computer)
Joe Thomas Dec 1, 2009 – 9:12 am
So NOW WHAT?
Looks like we have to follow these guys lead! http://www.prisonplanet.com/al-gore-confronted-on-climategate-in-chicago.html
This matter is far too significant for universities to do their own internal investigations. The police and fraud squads should be involved to ensure we don’t see further cover-ups of corrupt scientific practices.
The process was corrupt. The IPCC was a scam. Mann and his buddies are arrogant bullies. The UN is speeding to Copenhagen to begin the process of destroying our capitalist economies based on fake science.
You ask: What can we do?
There is strength in numbers.
We must form an organization to communicate our simple message:
No Consensus–No Warming (NOC-NOW)–Stop the Scam–Halt the IPCC
I’ve taken the liberty of putting together a Yahoo Group (CO2 is Plant Food), and a petition (NOC-NOW) that simply spells out a Declaration of Climate Independence.
We can gather a group there, and have a virtual place to meet and plan what steps might be useful.
Please join the group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/co2isplantfood
And sign the petition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/NOC_NOW/
We can stop this scam.
Kent Clizbe
There’s now an internet petition to have the climategate scientists removed from compiling government data: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/UEACRU/
Or just google: “climategate petition!”
If there was a tipping point, it would have happened sometime in the 4.5 billion year history of Earth.
Nice to see some front page coverage now: http://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2009-12-02
If the planet was in such danger, would we not be finding ways to reduce pollution … stop cutting trees down, stop using dangerous chemicals, stop messing with nature as a whole, use it but lets not abuse it!
As for the world being at a point of destuction, thats odd as the governments of the world have spent many years developing a process to tax us, odd, why would money be important if we the human race were in mortal danger?
We have lost our way, getting towards everything developed in a lab and financed via fear and taxes, yes i believe we have abused the planet we live on and yes we do need to show this planet more respect, a lot more respect and that needs to start at home, by respecting ourselves .. better lifestyles based around real happiness, not chasing profit and gain as that will strip this planet bare
What bothers me is we are in the same situation we have been many times, debating the actions of others and doing nothing about it, we will still be debating this in 10 years, while we are paying the C02 taxes and still allowing big industry/government/ourselves to polute the planet. We get what we deserve, so lets stop moaning and get back to burying our head in the sand and continue to let others with power kick our backsides … seems to be our usual way of avoiding responsibility. So I see no change as usual, just lots of debate and many wasted words. I remember a good saying … action speaks louder then words, I’m taking action by spending my money in small shops, local produce and organic when i can, i walk more, turn lights off when not needed, watch less TV, buy very few newspapers, vote for people who care, not those who can only talk the talk etc… etc…
Change starts at home …
ReikiRebel
Ironically enough, we are already taxed to the hilt on fuel (especially petrol), here in the UK about 70% of the cost of a litre of fuel is tax!
Here is more evidence: As of 1 December 2009 the IPCC archives have been removed from the Internet Archives web site – the WayBack Machine – Go to http://web.archive.org and do a search for http://ipcc.ch. All the links I checked showed a result of Not in Archive or other errors. On 30 November at least some of these archives were available.
On the IPCC web site itself, under Organization http://www.ipcc.ch/organization/organization.htm, it states that
” The IPCC is a scientific body. It reviews and assesses the most recent scientific, technical and socio-economic information produced worldwide relevant to the understanding of climate change. It does not conduct any research nor does it monitor climate related data or parameters. [e.g., Don't blame us for publishing false info or Garbage in- Garbage Out!]. Thousands of scientists from all over the world contribute to the work of the IPCC on a voluntary basis. Review is an essential part of the IPCC process, to ensure an objective and complete assessment of current information. Differing viewpoints existing within the scientific community are reflected in the IPCC reports”……
“….Because of its scientific and intergovernmental nature, the IPCC embodies a unique opportunity to provide rigorous and balanced scientific information to decision makers. By endorsing the IPCC reports, governments acknowledge the authority of their scientific content. The work of the organization is therefore policy-relevant and yet policy-neutral, never policy-prescriptive.
[IOW the IPCC takes information , publishes it and does not verify it].
An earlier version of the above organization statement was at
The http://web.archive.org/web/20071229050508/www.ipcc.ch/about/index.htm [this link has been removed from the Internet Archives]
Have the archives been removed because of the release of the CRU-Hadley emails and other documents? What is IPCC trying to hide? Did the IPCC cause the archives to be removed or was it the Internet Archives web site owners? Just what is in those archives dating back to about 2004 that are no longer available?
“25. BackwardsBoy:
This scam will soon be too big for the MSM to ignore.
Wanna bet?
What can the man in the street do to help? It’s as simple as going out to vote. During the election that got Obambi into the presidency, only 58% of the eligible voters bothered to cast a ballot. Of the 58%, Obambi got 52% of the ballots, which won him the WH with only 31% of eligible voters.
Fraud can be avoided by providing justice first to their home members and your neighbor and then country and all over the world, we pointing out others but don;t about himself or herself.
Maybe Al Gore can share a cell with Bernie Madoff.
Time is getting short and it is coming down to the fact, that soon ( December 7 to December 18 ) I will have to pray to the good Lord to maintain our freedoms and not allow our leaders to sign the Copenhagen Treaty, which will take away our liberties, let go and let God-this being a challenge to our Lord and Saviour? However, while there is still time to prevent the loss of a lifetime, perhaps loss of life it’s self – I will do what I am able to fight for our freedoms! The whole Climate Change agenda is a proven fraud and racketeering, but the United Nations and Globalist governments don’t care as that is just the excuse instrument they have used to ensnare us! Has everybody out there become a tree hugger? The tree will be standing 100 years from now, but will you be looking at the tree, from inside the fence of a Concentration Camp? Anyone out there want to fight to maintain their freedom anymore? Please do all you can to preserve freedom in North America!
Check out what Government is doing behind your back at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU
To request that PM Harper doesn’t sign the Copenhagen Treaty, thereby causing Canadians to lose
their Sovereignty and Freedom email the PM at: pm@pm.gc.ca
Any lawyers want to help out by filing this Copenhagen Treaty be classified as an illegal Treaty, in order to, help save Freedom in North America? ( Unlimited Promotion Opportunity Here For a Law firm to Gain a favorable high profile credibility! )
I Have forwarded the link to this article to the Leader of the Opposition in the Australian Parliament, Tony Abbott.
Tony Abbott was the moving force behind voting down the Australian version of an ETS. To do so the incumbent leader was tossed out on his left pointing little head.
Prior to the vote that deposed the said leftie, I emailed all members of Mr Abbotts party with various links to Climategate.
To any Aussies following this thread, email your local Federal pollie with all you can get your hands on about Climategate. I always thought Hockey was a game played with balls!
“The fraud was obvious to anyone that seriously looked for it (eg past CO2 levels of 7000ppm vs 380ppm now don’t indicate need to panic, and medieval warm periods don’t just disappear). But I still want to know, where was the media all this time?”
The media was and is a liberal agenda-driven media. They have hyped this with more bias and irresponsibility than even the scientists.
The whole of global warming science can be summed up in one sentence: IF YOU TORTURE DATA LONG ENOUGH, IT WILL CONFESS TO ANYTHING.
The email trove and the “Harry_read_me.txt” shows case after case of data fudging, hiding data that doesnt fit the theory, making little wrong adjustments to ‘hide the decline’ … all in the name of making the ‘case’ for man-made global warming stronger than it really is.
The media is in on the game, selectively reporting only far-fetched worst-case scenarios and ignoring the skeptic realistic doubts and conflicting information.
In reality, the last 60 years have shown a non-remarkable and slight (0.4C) warming, if that much (since dodgy temperature adjustments were also a part of the games played by CRU, GISS and Hadley). In reality, the more commonsense view is to consider the Co2 impact to NOT be amplified by water vapor feedback, since observations are showing negative feedbacks. In reality, tree rings lack accuracy to help us determine detailed temperature trends. In reality, polar bears are doing fine, the sea isnt rising much at all and antarctic ice mass is growing.
The opposition here is not grounded in any robust scientific theory or alternative hypotheses (all of those, in their time, have been shot down and nothing new has been offered in years) but a hysterical reaction to the possibly of what? One-world government? The return of communism? If that’s the fear, perhaps someone can explain why the preferred solution to climate change offered by former proponents of inaction is nuclear power. Has there ever been a nuclear reactor built anywhere in the world that didn’t rely on government to get it done? Sounds like socialism, doesn’t it? Hello France? USSR? USA?
NO POINT IN EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE CLIMATE UNLESS YOU TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPwGX3EnDWc
Reliance on the government does not necessarily mean socialism. It does mean serious bureaucracy.
At issue is, the data has been fudged. Now, with the old temperature records lost or destroyed, few can rely on any of the findings of these folks. They have no basis in fact to start from. So anything they promote, can only be based on their ‘homogenized’ temperature figures. An old computer axiom is, if you input garbage data, all you will get out is garbage data.
Add to this fiasco the very real fact that most of the solutions are based solely on more government, more bureaucracy, more regulations, more taxes, more limitations & restrictions on human beings, & more centralized government, and what many suspect as global government, may not only in fact be true, the truth in those conspiracy theories may have been just why such folks have been marginalized by the AGW proponents all along! The failures to release source code data for how they reached conclusions, demonstrates these guys have been winging it for decades. Otherwise, Dr. Mann would have released his source code data for the now debunked ‘Hockey Stick.’
Its time the so-called scientists started over with actual confirmed data & be required to go through all sorts of peer review before they can make draconian governmental recommendations to change how this world functions.
The opposition here is not grounded in any robust scientific theory or alternative hypotheses (all of those, in their time, have been shot down and nothing new has been offered in years) but a hysterical reaction to the possibly of what?”
Really. That is so laughably false it is surely an indicator only of how completely the ‘sheeple’ have been spoon-fed by the IPCC-Hockey-Stick Team. In truth, there ARE alternative hypotheses (based on the simple fact that feedback effects are far smaller than IPCC models predict).
Consider this exchange a few years ago:
CRU scientist, Tom Wigley, suggests that they target another troublesome editor: “If you think that Saiers is in the greenhouse skeptics camp, then, if we can find documentary evidence of this, we could go through official AGU channels to get him ousted.” That’s exactly what they did, and a later e-mail boasts that “The GRL leak may have been plugged up now w/new editorial leadership there.”
See:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/24/the_fix_is_in_99280.html
IF THERE WAS NO ALTERNATIVE THEORIES OR DATA TO BASE SKEPTICISM ON, WHY WERE CRU/IPCC SCIENTISTS LIKE JONES AND WIGLEG CONSPIRING TO GET ‘SKEPTICS’ FIRED AS EDITORS?
David Wilson
That video is the most retarded crap I’ve ever seen.
Waiting for clouds to drift, and then taking a second picture and TIGHTLY CROPPING IT is not proof of the moon “disappearing”… it’s proof that the video-maker is misrepresenting reality to imply a conclusion that is not only unjustified, but patently untrue. Just like Mann, Jones, Hansen, Gore, and the rest of the global warming fraudsters.
The Clinton Administration (Plantation), has been parasitic in their scamming of the Irish, especially the Northern Irish, and those in Upstate New York for quite a while now….out of desperation to seem popular…Selling a lot of people down the river for their house boys.
Hello,
My name is Michael Goot and I am the education reporter for The Daily Gazette of Schenectady, N.Y. I wanted to get in touch with Douglas J. Keenan about the issue of SUNY allegedly suppressing information for an article. Please send me an e-mail to the above address if you are reading this. Thanks.
Monckton Says Secretive Copenhagen Treaty Creates Global Government Tax
“We’re looking at a grab for absolute power and absolute financial control worldwide by the UN and its associated bureaucracies and 700 new bureaucratic bodies,” said Monckton.
Speaking about how such draconian measures were being forced through despite the recent scandal surrounding how key IPCC-affiliated scientists conspired to “hide the decline in global warming, Monckton emphasized how the climate change establishment were still ludicrously attempting to downplay the significance of the climategate emails by merely repeating their already discredited propaganda about global warming.
“What has happened is that the mainstream media has done themselves terrible damage by signing up to this climate nonsense and then by servilely refusing to admit that climategate was happening, admit how serious it was and simply inform their readers of what was actually in these emails,” said Monckton, “Admissions that while they’re telling us, as the Met Office did just today, that today is the warmest decade since records began 150 years ago, privately what they’re saying in the climategate emails is ‘hey look we’ve got a temperature which has been falling and we can’t explain why and it’s a travesty that we can’t explain why’ – so they’re saying one thing to us publicly to maintain the scare that’s making them rich, and that’s what’s called fraud, it’s criminal fraud, and on the other hand they’re saying privately ‘oh dear oh dear we can’t account for the fact that there’s been no warming for the last 15 years’”.Monckton said that the Copenhagen treaty meant America was in “immediate peril” of losing its freedom to a “sinister dictatorship” being formed under the contrived pretext of global warming. infowars.com
NEW! NEW! NEW!
Check out the Copenhagen Document Leaks : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W7vrgW8GTQ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94KH-WMZuw0 – Tells how they will get rid of UN and use IMF to tax you!
Protest the False Climate Measurments being used in the Copenhagen Treaty: http://www.gopetition.com/online/32485.html
By that I mean latching on to this or that latest, most innovative idea that some self styled money making guru has put out in the hope it’ll go viral and make them a lot of money off the backs of all the headless chickens who will follow them blindly down a blind alley. Its a shame but a truism nonetheless that people will follow where someone they see as an expert leads. Even if they lead them to certain disaster, which is what most of the gurus tend to do to their flocks.
The trick is to recognize a shadow when you see it!
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