Comments on: The Fight for Free Speech: Will We Be the Greatest Generation? http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:46:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Exercise Your Right to Speak Freely | Tez.BradfordToday.com http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-258891 Exercise Your Right to Speak Freely | Tez.BradfordToday.com Wed, 13 May 2009 02:48:50 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-258891 [...] Taken from a blog at pajamasmedia.com :Freedom, Liberty, Rights, Speech [...] [...] Taken from a blog at pajamasmedia.com :Freedom, Liberty, Rights, Speech [...]

]]> By: is it sweat or tears? | get angry WITH me http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-152161 is it sweat or tears? | get angry WITH me Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:22:19 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-152161 [...] OR IS THE INTERNET REALLY A PUBLIC DOMAIN? according to bill moyers it isn’t. free speech, both in print and online, is narrowing every day, not because of any conspiracy but because the media has largely rolled [...] [...] OR IS THE INTERNET REALLY A PUBLIC DOMAIN? according to bill moyers it isn’t. free speech, both in print and online, is narrowing every day, not because of any conspiracy but because the media has largely rolled [...]

]]> By: Canada: Internet providers will begin charging per-site fees « Blogging for a free world http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-65955 Canada: Internet providers will begin charging per-site fees « Blogging for a free world Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:18:58 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-65955 [...] if these are not good news, there are people who have predicted it. In fact, it has happened already… with TV or radio broadcasting: The introduction of [...] [...] if these are not good news, there are people who have predicted it. In fact, it has happened already… with TV or radio broadcasting: The introduction of [...]

]]> By: Fighting for a free internet: why is it necessary? « Spanish Pundit (II) http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-60725 Fighting for a free internet: why is it necessary? « Spanish Pundit (II) Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:52:21 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-60725 [...] it is not the only one trying to control bloggers. Pajamas Media has also a very interesting article on the fight for free speech: In a recent editorial, the NY Times welcomed federal regulation of [...] [...] it is not the only one trying to control bloggers. Pajamas Media has also a very interesting article on the fight for free speech: In a recent editorial, the NY Times welcomed federal regulation of [...]

]]> By: Laika's Last Woof http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-59920 Laika's Last Woof Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:31:08 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-59920 You're absolutely right, SK. Remember the Canadian "Sponsorship Scandal?" The Canadian government tried to censor news about that, too, but they couldn't reach into America to shut down the websites that were reporting the story. Furthermore, the fact that Canadians were getting their news from American websites because their own news was censored became as big a part of the Sponsorship Scandal as the scandal itself. Even if, as is becoming apparent, Canadians believe in censorship enough to keep re-electing censors to public office, those few who believe in free speech will always be able to get an "outside line" to America. As long as America runs the internet I don't see how it could believably be said that we live in an age where free speech is restricted. We live in an age where governments and NGO's ATTEMPT to censor like never before but find themselves perpetually frustrated by the combination of American control of the internet and natural aversion to censorship. You’re absolutely right, SK.
Remember the Canadian “Sponsorship Scandal?” The Canadian government tried to censor news about that, too, but they couldn’t reach into America to shut down the websites that were reporting the story. Furthermore, the fact that Canadians were getting their news from American websites because their own news was censored became as big a part of the Sponsorship Scandal as the scandal itself.
Even if, as is becoming apparent, Canadians believe in censorship enough to keep re-electing censors to public office, those few who believe in free speech will always be able to get an “outside line” to America.
As long as America runs the internet I don’t see how it could believably be said that we live in an age where free speech is restricted. We live in an age where governments and NGO’s ATTEMPT to censor like never before but find themselves perpetually frustrated by the combination of American control of the internet and natural aversion to censorship.

]]> By: benAmerica http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-59626 benAmerica Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:21:06 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-59626 It's the X&Y Revolution It’s the X&Y Revolution

]]> By: SK http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-59138 SK Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:42:45 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-59138 I have a problem characterizing our speech as less free than it was before the coming of the printing press. You say, "In many ways, there was more free speech before the printing press was invented than at any time since. Yes, we have more rights today to criticize government,..." The printing press was at the foundation of our freedoms we cherish, including freedom of conscience and freedom of religion, and the right to openly criticize our governments without fear of reprisal. I think that deserves more than a "Yes, but...." I have a problem characterizing our speech as less free than it was before the coming of the printing press. You say, “In many ways, there was more free speech before the printing press was invented than at any time since. Yes, we have more rights today to criticize government,…”

The printing press was at the foundation of our freedoms we cherish, including freedom of conscience and freedom of religion, and the right to openly criticize our governments without fear of reprisal. I think that deserves more than a “Yes, but….”

]]> By: Laika's Last Woof http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-58873 Laika's Last Woof Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:56:51 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-58873 If bakers started charging more for buns if you grill cheese on them that might be a better analogy. The baker would have to follow you home and invade the privacy of your kitchen, of course, to see whether you were toasting or grilling. What I do with my buns isn't the baker's business; what I do with my bits isn't my ISP's business. ISP's should no more be inspecting packets and charging different rates for different content than the phone company should charge you different rates for different topics of conversation. Exception granted for legitimate security concerns. If bakers started charging more for buns if you grill cheese on them that might be a better analogy. The baker would have to follow you home and invade the privacy of your kitchen, of course, to see whether you were toasting or grilling.

What I do with my buns isn’t the baker’s business; what I do with my bits isn’t my ISP’s business.

ISP’s should no more be inspecting packets and charging different rates for different content than the phone company should charge you different rates for different topics of conversation.

Exception granted for legitimate security concerns.

]]> By: pisang http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-58667 pisang Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:11:52 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-58667 As a Libertarian, I believe government should hands off the net neutrality issue. I don't see why 2 ISPs is not competition, or why wireless Internet access isn't a third option, or why if government created a problem then more government action won't create even more problems and unintended consequences. Only government has the coercive power to really stifle freedom (think McCain-Feingold). Private ISPs don't. What's next, disallowing bakers from selling buns at a discount at night? We want bun price neutrality! Food is even more fundamental than speech. The US is already over-regulated. If the ISPs want to discriminate against Bittorent, then Bittorent will fight (has fought) back with encryption and dynamic ports and whatever. Customers can fight back with boycotts, demonstrations, publicity campaigns. That's freedom, that's the free market at work. Not the deadening hand of government. As a Libertarian, I believe government should hands off the net neutrality issue.

I don’t see why 2 ISPs is not competition, or why wireless Internet access isn’t a third option, or why if government created a problem then more government action won’t create even more problems and unintended consequences.

Only government has the coercive power to really stifle freedom (think McCain-Feingold). Private ISPs don’t.

What’s next, disallowing bakers from selling buns at a discount at night? We want bun price neutrality! Food is even more fundamental than speech.

The US is already over-regulated. If the ISPs want to discriminate against Bittorent, then Bittorent will fight (has fought) back with encryption and dynamic ports and whatever. Customers can fight back with boycotts, demonstrations, publicity campaigns. That’s freedom, that’s the free market at work. Not the deadening hand of government.

]]> By: The Platform » Blog Archive » Censoring the Internet http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-58597 The Platform » Blog Archive » Censoring the Internet Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:04:01 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fight-for-free-speech-will-we-be-the-greatest-generation/#comment-58597 [...] Steve Boriss, of our own Washington University in St. Louis, where he is Associate Director of the Center for the Application of Information Technology (CAIT) and teaches a class called “The Future of News,” writes: To date, the Internet has remained blissfully free of government regulation. Its backbone rests in the private sector, it requires no licensing for use, and it is seemingly beyond the reach of those who would like government to regulate online behavior such as hate speech, obscenity, and too much control by a few corporations. [...] [...] Steve Boriss, of our own Washington University in St. Louis, where he is Associate Director of the Center for the Application of Information Technology (CAIT) and teaches a class called “The Future of News,” writes: To date, the Internet has remained blissfully free of government regulation. Its backbone rests in the private sector, it requires no licensing for use, and it is seemingly beyond the reach of those who would like government to regulate online behavior such as hate speech, obscenity, and too much control by a few corporations. [...]

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