Comments on: The Fallacy of Positive Rights http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-positive-rights/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:42:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: HT http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-positive-rights/#comment-218825 HT Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:17:30 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=47940#comment-218825 David S. I too am "for the proper approach to government assistance." <strong>Just stop.</strong> It does not work. The end result has always been bloated, inefficient, slow, etc. And, getting rid of it if (when) it does not work is basically impossible. Please provide one example where the government has not in the end eff'ed it up. The more honest statement would be for you to simply say that you just want a large government bureaucracy with the maximum number of people on the public payroll (dole). David S.

I too am “for the proper approach to government assistance.” Just stop. It does not work. The end result has always been bloated, inefficient, slow, etc. And, getting rid of it if (when) it does not work is basically impossible. Please provide one example where the government has not in the end eff’ed it up. The more honest statement would be for you to simply say that you just want a large government bureaucracy with the maximum number of people on the public payroll (dole).

]]> By: HT http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-positive-rights/#comment-218819 HT Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:08:55 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=47940#comment-218819 Richard, I'm guessing that David S. lives in Chi-town and rides your el. He clearly wants his. Richard,

I’m guessing that David S. lives in Chi-town and rides your el. He clearly wants his.

]]> By: Dave D http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-positive-rights/#comment-213266 Dave D Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:51:57 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=47940#comment-213266 problem as these replies i think show, is that if I don't have a right, why do you have a responsibility? Thing is, you don't, you have a choice to, but there is no responsibility. You really can't have responsibility without positive rights. I don't have a right to a nintendo ds. That also means that no one has a responsibility to give me one. Someone may if they choose to, but no one would say they were shirking a responsibility if they didn't. If a person is altruistic, it's like you said, they don't have to be. But without a right, you will find no one has any responsibility, and its really just the personal motives of the donor that drives the decision. problem as these replies i think show, is that if I don’t have a right, why do you have a responsibility? Thing is, you don’t, you have a choice to, but there is no responsibility.

You really can’t have responsibility without positive rights. I don’t have a right to a nintendo ds. That also means that no one has a responsibility to give me one. Someone may if they choose to, but no one would say they were shirking a responsibility if they didn’t.

If a person is altruistic, it’s like you said, they don’t have to be. But without a right, you will find no one has any responsibility, and its really just the personal motives of the donor that drives the decision.

]]> By: Jeff Perren http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-positive-rights/#comment-212775 Jeff Perren Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:37:39 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=47940#comment-212775 Richard, I fear you may well be right, but there is never any certainty in human events. All we can do is keep putting the right ideas out there. I gather you are in the military so you know that one never gives up and that, even if we are to lose the country to dictatorship, it's best to go down fighting for what's right. My best wishes for your safe return. Richard,

I fear you may well be right, but there is never any certainty in human events. All we can do is keep putting the right ideas out there.

I gather you are in the military so you know that one never gives up and that, even if we are to lose the country to dictatorship, it’s best to go down fighting for what’s right.

My best wishes for your safe return.

]]> By: Richard Cook http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-positive-rights/#comment-212639 Richard Cook Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:18:37 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=47940#comment-212639 #20 Jeff, I am affraid that we are so far from your examples that the system will have to collapse before we return to them. Before I got deployed I spoke to people everyday on my train to Chicago and the vast majority didn't even care about what you are pointing out as examples. Their primary motivation, to boil it down, was "Where's mine?". #20

Jeff, I am affraid that we are so far from your examples that the system will have to collapse before we return to them. Before I got deployed I spoke to people everyday on my train to Chicago and the vast majority didn’t even care about what you are pointing out as examples. Their primary motivation, to boil it down, was “Where’s mine?”.

]]> By: David S http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-positive-rights/#comment-212027 David S Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:37:53 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=47940#comment-212027 I'm all for the proper approach to government assistance - and given what we have seen so far from Obama, he appears to share this belief. Peace. DS I’m all for the proper approach to government assistance – and given what we have seen so far from Obama, he appears to share this belief.

Peace.

DS

]]> By: myth buster http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-positive-rights/#comment-211696 myth buster Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:38:57 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=47940#comment-211696 I have nothing against Unemployment Insurance, but I object to it being compulsory. It should be voluntary, and should be administered by private insurance companies, although the government could offer its own voluntary version if no private company is willing to offer the product. I have nothing against Unemployment Insurance, but I object to it being compulsory. It should be voluntary, and should be administered by private insurance companies, although the government could offer its own voluntary version if no private company is willing to offer the product.

]]> By: momof3 http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-positive-rights/#comment-211608 momof3 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 02:46:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=47940#comment-211608 I am so sick of hearing people talk about their "rights" to things. Healthcare being most common "right" currently. Where on earth-in what document-do they see their right to do as they wish and still have shelter/food/healthcare/etc given them? I don't know about the whole USA, but here in Texas we have the right to shoot to kill to protect not only our life but our property as well. It's high time we started availing ourselves of that. Dh and I are both conservative, but I took the early liberal route to get here. And we have yet to fill out a tax return and find we had less than 10% of our gross in charitable giving. How much (of his own money) does Obama give? That seems like a relevant stat to me, for our new transparent government to distribute. I am so sick of hearing people talk about their “rights” to things. Healthcare being most common “right” currently. Where on earth-in what document-do they see their right to do as they wish and still have shelter/food/healthcare/etc given them? I don’t know about the whole USA, but here in Texas we have the right to shoot to kill to protect not only our life but our property as well. It’s high time we started availing ourselves of that.

Dh and I are both conservative, but I took the early liberal route to get here. And we have yet to fill out a tax return and find we had less than 10% of our gross in charitable giving. How much (of his own money) does Obama give? That seems like a relevant stat to me, for our new transparent government to distribute.

]]> By: Mike T http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-positive-rights/#comment-211305 Mike T Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:01:53 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=47940#comment-211305 <blockquote> If you’re not a liberal when you’re 20, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 40, you have no brain. paraphrase of churchill IIRC. </blockquote> And true to form, most 20 year old liberals are extremely generous with others' money and time, but miserly with theirs.

If you’re not a liberal when you’re 20, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 40, you have no brain. paraphrase of churchill IIRC.

And true to form, most 20 year old liberals are extremely generous with others’ money and time, but miserly with theirs.

]]> By: Kirly http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-positive-rights/#comment-211180 Kirly Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:55:00 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=47940#comment-211180 the battle against turning to socialism in this country was lost nearly 70 years ago. FDR took care of that. O is just trying to finish the job. this article misses the mark but it also shows great promise that someone at only 22 is moving in the right direction. If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 40, you have no brain. paraphrase of churchill IIRC. Barrett is right, he's well ahead of the masses whose thinking is so incredibly immature. oh crap! O is about to speak in camp lejuene. look for another market plummet! the battle against turning to socialism in this country was lost nearly 70 years ago. FDR took care of that. O is just trying to finish the job.

this article misses the mark but it also shows great promise that someone at only 22 is moving in the right direction.

If you’re not a liberal when you’re 20, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 40, you have no brain. paraphrase of churchill IIRC. Barrett is right, he’s well ahead of the masses whose thinking is so incredibly immature.

oh crap! O is about to speak in camp lejuene. look for another market plummet!

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