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		<title>By: RobertG</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-end-of-the-beginning-of-the-war-on-terror/#comment-216338</link>
		<dc:creator>RobertG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political Correctness, Identity Politics and a growing  antisemitism excludes any real action or even the idea on &quot;the War on Terror&quot;. Much, perhaps most, of this Administration does not consider the jihadist terrorist but victims of the White Patriarchy Capitalist America. 

President Obama has in fact said he wants to stop the military option and return to the Clinton era Police Model. The Police Model may well work against street criminals, thieves, forgers and such. The Police Model is rather ill equipped to deal with armed, trained and dedicated armies-men well willing to trade life for life.

But He who&#039;s middle name is Hussein may well well NOT want to truly defeat his paternal cousins. Ask Reverend Jeremiah Wright, He who&#039;s middle name is Hussein friend Minister of the Nation of Islam-Chicago Farrakhan or He who&#039;s middle name is Hussein friend Former Black Panther, now Congressmen, Bobbie Rush-or the President&#039;s friend Weather Underground Leader William Ayres. All terrorist in their own manner, friends of Hamas and Hezbollah and quite bitter at America. We ARE known by the company we keep. 

With the election of President Obama we lost the War on Terror--parking tickets and restraining orders will not impress men willing to fly planes into buildings and burn people alive.  He who&#039;s middle name is Hussein does have &quot;a certain resentment against my mother&#039;s race&quot;--it&#039;s over.

America-You will be missed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political Correctness, Identity Politics and a growing  antisemitism excludes any real action or even the idea on &#8220;the War on Terror&#8221;. Much, perhaps most, of this Administration does not consider the jihadist terrorist but victims of the White Patriarchy Capitalist America. </p>
<p>President Obama has in fact said he wants to stop the military option and return to the Clinton era Police Model. The Police Model may well work against street criminals, thieves, forgers and such. The Police Model is rather ill equipped to deal with armed, trained and dedicated armies-men well willing to trade life for life.</p>
<p>But He who&#8217;s middle name is Hussein may well well NOT want to truly defeat his paternal cousins. Ask Reverend Jeremiah Wright, He who&#8217;s middle name is Hussein friend Minister of the Nation of Islam-Chicago Farrakhan or He who&#8217;s middle name is Hussein friend Former Black Panther, now Congressmen, Bobbie Rush-or the President&#8217;s friend Weather Underground Leader William Ayres. All terrorist in their own manner, friends of Hamas and Hezbollah and quite bitter at America. We ARE known by the company we keep. </p>
<p>With the election of President Obama we lost the War on Terror&#8211;parking tickets and restraining orders will not impress men willing to fly planes into buildings and burn people alive.  He who&#8217;s middle name is Hussein does have &#8220;a certain resentment against my mother&#8217;s race&#8221;&#8211;it&#8217;s over.</p>
<p>America-You will be missed.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8 John Dubya - I agree with you.  I was just making a point, which is why I started with maybe.  Prez Obama vs. a real Hawk.  Muslim fate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 John Dubya &#8211; I agree with you.  I was just making a point, which is why I started with maybe.  Prez Obama vs. a real Hawk.  Muslim fate.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mongoose.  Stop it.  You&#039;re embarrassing yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mongoose.  Stop it.  You&#8217;re embarrassing yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that &lt;a href=&quot;http://doubletapper.blogspot.com/2009/01/safe-and-sound-mostly.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DoubleTapper guy&lt;/a&gt; for real?

He looks like an Action Figure!

And that &lt;a href=&quot;http://doubletapper.blogspot.com/2009/01/idf-secret-weapon.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Giant &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://doubletapper.blogspot.com/2009/01/idf-secret-weapon.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IDF Woman&lt;/a&gt; is incredible.

Israel&#039;s enemies better watch out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that <a href="http://doubletapper.blogspot.com/2009/01/safe-and-sound-mostly.html" rel="nofollow">DoubleTapper guy</a> for real?</p>
<p>He looks like an Action Figure!</p>
<p>And that <a href="http://doubletapper.blogspot.com/2009/01/idf-secret-weapon.html" rel="nofollow">Giant </a><a href="http://doubletapper.blogspot.com/2009/01/idf-secret-weapon.html" rel="nofollow">IDF Woman</a> is incredible.</p>
<p>Israel&#8217;s enemies better watch out!</p>
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		<title>By: vivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>45. Mongoose:

&quot;You have no idea how the world really works. You are living in a dream world supplied to you by the MSM, your education and the Democrats. 

... What are you going to do when you discover that you are wrong.&quot;

OK, let say that I buy your BS, now what?

You&#039;re not being unrealistic.  I&#039;ve seen what you&#039;re saying.  It&#039;s going to take many generations to become civilized.  But we cannot give up hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>45. Mongoose:</p>
<p>&#8220;You have no idea how the world really works. You are living in a dream world supplied to you by the MSM, your education and the Democrats. </p>
<p>&#8230; What are you going to do when you discover that you are wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, let say that I buy your BS, now what?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not being unrealistic.  I&#8217;ve seen what you&#8217;re saying.  It&#8217;s going to take many generations to become civilized.  But we cannot give up hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Mongoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mongoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>submandave: What nonsense. all of this are part of  major &lt;i&gt;current&lt;/i&gt; discussion on the political right. There is nothing antiquated about it. Read John Bolton and his discussions about reforming the UN. Read Nyquist. Go over  to the NRO. Did you miss the &quot;OiL for Food&quot; scandal? Your 1950&#039;s &quot;argument&quot; is totally bogus on the face of it, and you would know that if you poked you head out of your Lefty bubble. What obtuse nonsense.

This &quot;Bircher&quot; slander of you is just another taking point that you have unwittingly  received in  you &quot;education&quot; and from the MSM. You do not even know its history, i&#039;d bet. It is just the standard Lefty comeback and we have been hearing for decades. This rhetorical lie is on the same level as the one that the Nazis were not Socialists, and it is just as much a lie as that. It is just BS. After all the obstructionism in the UN of the last 8 years, nobody but the Left buys your little rhetorical evasions of responsibility anymore.  Moreover, it is illogical and irrational. That fact that a proposition was once held at one time by one group of people does not logically preclude that it is not valid in another time by another group of people. The actual points have to be address. This is a plain logical fallacy of the sort that is dismissed in Freshman writing classes. To cling to such this is to merely cover your ears (and to demonstrate how poorly educated you are).

It is only a matter of time before the UN is either reformed or closed down.  We may have to wait until this incompetent current president is out, but that will hap[pen soon enough the way he is going. The country is already sick of him and he has not been in office a month.

You sink to name calling in an intellectually dishonest attempt to dismiss my position without having to honestly address it. You do so becuase you &lt;i&gt;have no valid arguement&lt;/i&gt;. Like vivo, you are living in a fantasy world, and all of by critizims of him apply as equally to you.

I would go further and say that you are a flat-out intellectual coward and liar, whereas vivo is just young and misguided.

I also doubt that you have any real world experience in the matter of the UN and FOS whatsoever. You are just repeating talking points that you have not even examined. You may think this makes you look insightful, &quot;current&quot; and clever, but in reality it make you look like a useful idiot and an uninformed dolt. Taking common cause with an anti-semite like cedarford calls into question your very morality.  The comic thing is that Cedarford &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt;sound like a Bircher, and I bet that that is where he gets must of his jew hating rhetoric from00 he sure sounds like he is of the right age. You would know that if you understood the slightest thing about the history the 1950&#039;s, the Cold War and American politics in that period. But you do not know a thing about it, you are just choke full of the propaganda that the Democrats have been pumping out for decades. When you finally figure it all out, remember I told you so.

The views that I am voicing on this thread are common currency among  most conservative and most right of center voters. The fact that you do not know this shows how mired you are in your lefty bubble and talking point.

Just watch what happens when Obama tries to hand over our sovereignty to the UN. All hell will break loss. Think about your lame &quot;Bircher slander&quot; then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>submandave: What nonsense. all of this are part of  major <i>current</i> discussion on the political right. There is nothing antiquated about it. Read John Bolton and his discussions about reforming the UN. Read Nyquist. Go over  to the NRO. Did you miss the &#8220;OiL for Food&#8221; scandal? Your 1950&#8242;s &#8220;argument&#8221; is totally bogus on the face of it, and you would know that if you poked you head out of your Lefty bubble. What obtuse nonsense.</p>
<p>This &#8220;Bircher&#8221; slander of you is just another taking point that you have unwittingly  received in  you &#8220;education&#8221; and from the MSM. You do not even know its history, i&#8217;d bet. It is just the standard Lefty comeback and we have been hearing for decades. This rhetorical lie is on the same level as the one that the Nazis were not Socialists, and it is just as much a lie as that. It is just BS. After all the obstructionism in the UN of the last 8 years, nobody but the Left buys your little rhetorical evasions of responsibility anymore.  Moreover, it is illogical and irrational. That fact that a proposition was once held at one time by one group of people does not logically preclude that it is not valid in another time by another group of people. The actual points have to be address. This is a plain logical fallacy of the sort that is dismissed in Freshman writing classes. To cling to such this is to merely cover your ears (and to demonstrate how poorly educated you are).</p>
<p>It is only a matter of time before the UN is either reformed or closed down.  We may have to wait until this incompetent current president is out, but that will hap[pen soon enough the way he is going. The country is already sick of him and he has not been in office a month.</p>
<p>You sink to name calling in an intellectually dishonest attempt to dismiss my position without having to honestly address it. You do so becuase you <i>have no valid arguement</i>. Like vivo, you are living in a fantasy world, and all of by critizims of him apply as equally to you.</p>
<p>I would go further and say that you are a flat-out intellectual coward and liar, whereas vivo is just young and misguided.</p>
<p>I also doubt that you have any real world experience in the matter of the UN and FOS whatsoever. You are just repeating talking points that you have not even examined. You may think this makes you look insightful, &#8220;current&#8221; and clever, but in reality it make you look like a useful idiot and an uninformed dolt. Taking common cause with an anti-semite like cedarford calls into question your very morality.  The comic thing is that Cedarford <i>does</i>sound like a Bircher, and I bet that that is where he gets must of his jew hating rhetoric from00 he sure sounds like he is of the right age. You would know that if you understood the slightest thing about the history the 1950&#8242;s, the Cold War and American politics in that period. But you do not know a thing about it, you are just choke full of the propaganda that the Democrats have been pumping out for decades. When you finally figure it all out, remember I told you so.</p>
<p>The views that I am voicing on this thread are common currency among  most conservative and most right of center voters. The fact that you do not know this shows how mired you are in your lefty bubble and talking point.</p>
<p>Just watch what happens when Obama tries to hand over our sovereignty to the UN. All hell will break loss. Think about your lame &#8220;Bircher slander&#8221; then.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar the Grump</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar the Grump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>submandave,
Check your math 1% of 1.3billion is 13million.   That&#039;s a lot of JIhadis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>submandave,<br />
Check your math 1% of 1.3billion is 13million.   That&#8217;s a lot of JIhadis.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Submandave: not to be picky but 1% would be over 10 million jihadis.
Also, in the thread above, McVeigh is mentioned as a terrorist with non-muslim background. I believe the evidence is clear that he received his training in explosives in the Philippines, another country facing a serious Muslim insurgency. Although it was never emphasized, I believe I have read that his contacts in the Philippines were muslim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Submandave: not to be picky but 1% would be over 10 million jihadis.<br />
Also, in the thread above, McVeigh is mentioned as a terrorist with non-muslim background. I believe the evidence is clear that he received his training in explosives in the Philippines, another country facing a serious Muslim insurgency. Although it was never emphasized, I believe I have read that his contacts in the Philippines were muslim.</p>
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		<title>By: submandave</title>
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		<dc:creator>submandave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat J: When a group such as Christians organize globally to violently overthrow any non-Christian nation and to oppress and kill non-Christians I will take seriously your juxtiposition of the IRA (limited in scope to Northern Ireland independence from England), the KKK (reduced these days to mostly nasty websites and the occasional irritation march) and McVeigh (a lone wacko and favorite strawman for those wanting to score cheap points against survivalists, Christians, militias or gun nuts) against the very real global structure of goals of Islamofacsism.  

I, too, dislike the sobroquet &quot;War on Terror,&quot; but GWB was up against the clock to say &quot;we are fighting those who believe and adhere to a vision of Islam that includes the violent application of terrorist tactics to expand their influence and destroy non-Muslim people and nations&quot; in a pithy way that didn&#039;t automatically isolate and alienate the millions of Muslims we aren&#039;t at war against.  The GWOT is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; a war against a tactic, but rather against those with a global reach who would use that tactic to threaten the US, her allies and interests.  Again, if you can find a way to make McVeigh, the IRA or KKK fit that mold, more power to you.

As the idea of &quot;creating more enemies,&quot; I see it more as a case of those enemies we did not know of coming into the open.  As many have pointed out, the terrorists don&#039;t wear a uniform declaring their loyalty; we do not know they are an enemy until they act.  Anyone who is going to say &quot;I&#039;ll blow myself up because those American devils kicked out that murderous dog Saddam&quot; isn&#039;t someone we were ever likely to win over anyway.  They were a loaded chamber waiting for the hammer to fall, so I say it&#039;s better to know them for what they are than for what they were hiding as.  My perception is that many of the Democrat persuasion are reticent to listen to what these people&#039;s leaders are really saying and to honestly consider just how many jihadi there may be.  If only 1% of Muslims believe in violent jihad (and polls show it is higher) that&#039;s still a global army of over a million.  I don&#039;t say we have to kill all of them, but we will have to kill all the most dedicated and ardent before the others start reevaluating their commitment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat J: When a group such as Christians organize globally to violently overthrow any non-Christian nation and to oppress and kill non-Christians I will take seriously your juxtiposition of the IRA (limited in scope to Northern Ireland independence from England), the KKK (reduced these days to mostly nasty websites and the occasional irritation march) and McVeigh (a lone wacko and favorite strawman for those wanting to score cheap points against survivalists, Christians, militias or gun nuts) against the very real global structure of goals of Islamofacsism.  </p>
<p>I, too, dislike the sobroquet &#8220;War on Terror,&#8221; but GWB was up against the clock to say &#8220;we are fighting those who believe and adhere to a vision of Islam that includes the violent application of terrorist tactics to expand their influence and destroy non-Muslim people and nations&#8221; in a pithy way that didn&#8217;t automatically isolate and alienate the millions of Muslims we aren&#8217;t at war against.  The GWOT is <b>not</b> a war against a tactic, but rather against those with a global reach who would use that tactic to threaten the US, her allies and interests.  Again, if you can find a way to make McVeigh, the IRA or KKK fit that mold, more power to you.</p>
<p>As the idea of &#8220;creating more enemies,&#8221; I see it more as a case of those enemies we did not know of coming into the open.  As many have pointed out, the terrorists don&#8217;t wear a uniform declaring their loyalty; we do not know they are an enemy until they act.  Anyone who is going to say &#8220;I&#8217;ll blow myself up because those American devils kicked out that murderous dog Saddam&#8221; isn&#8217;t someone we were ever likely to win over anyway.  They were a loaded chamber waiting for the hammer to fall, so I say it&#8217;s better to know them for what they are than for what they were hiding as.  My perception is that many of the Democrat persuasion are reticent to listen to what these people&#8217;s leaders are really saying and to honestly consider just how many jihadi there may be.  If only 1% of Muslims believe in violent jihad (and polls show it is higher) that&#8217;s still a global army of over a million.  I don&#8217;t say we have to kill all of them, but we will have to kill all the most dedicated and ardent before the others start reevaluating their commitment.</p>
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		<title>By: submandave</title>
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		<dc:creator>submandave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that a cry to &quot;protect the purity of essence of our precious bodily fluids&quot; does little to add credence to any of the speaker&#039;s positions, I think it is inaccurate to lump Mongoose&#039;s thoughts on the UN in with John Birch anti-flouridation efforts.  Can you, either Cedarford or Rotwang, offer any objective evidence that the UN, as it exists and not as the ideal you think it should be, would likely be more helpful as a body in fighting terrorism given its track record of anti-semetic/pro-terrorist GA resolutions and meetings, the make-up of its &quot;human rights&quot; commission, its history of human rights violations (e.g. slavery and child prostitution throughout its involvement in Africa), its unappologetic corruption at the highest levels (Oil for Food just being the largest and having the most direct impact on policy), etc.  These are not fantasy, but cold hard fact.  

When I look at the UN, I see a body that does reflect the world.  Unfortunately, in most of the world, poverty and hunger reign and the powerful keep their power through violence, corruption and graft.  On the banks of the East River it can honestly be said that the inmates run the asylum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that a cry to &#8220;protect the purity of essence of our precious bodily fluids&#8221; does little to add credence to any of the speaker&#8217;s positions, I think it is inaccurate to lump Mongoose&#8217;s thoughts on the UN in with John Birch anti-flouridation efforts.  Can you, either Cedarford or Rotwang, offer any objective evidence that the UN, as it exists and not as the ideal you think it should be, would likely be more helpful as a body in fighting terrorism given its track record of anti-semetic/pro-terrorist GA resolutions and meetings, the make-up of its &#8220;human rights&#8221; commission, its history of human rights violations (e.g. slavery and child prostitution throughout its involvement in Africa), its unappologetic corruption at the highest levels (Oil for Food just being the largest and having the most direct impact on policy), etc.  These are not fantasy, but cold hard fact.  </p>
<p>When I look at the UN, I see a body that does reflect the world.  Unfortunately, in most of the world, poverty and hunger reign and the powerful keep their power through violence, corruption and graft.  On the banks of the East River it can honestly be said that the inmates run the asylum.</p>
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