The End of the Beginning of the War on Terror
The War on Terror did not start on 9/11. We can argue semantics, but until the ongoing struggle against extremists materially changes we will continue to use the aforementioned name. And with a new administration, al-Qaeda does not seem to sit idle while President Obama instills new initiatives to combat them. The second in command of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, continues to mock and belittle the United States in front of his supporters. It is safe to conclude that al-Qaeda will not give the new president a honeymoon and will continue to find ways of attacking us. In the years since the attacks on our homeland in New York City, Pennsylvania, and the Pentagon, we must remain vigilant against terrorist networks around the world. We must fight this network with our own network.
President Bush and his administration implemented many initiatives and programs to ensure the safety of all Americans. Today, there are countless arguments and debates on surveillance and torture. However, one counterterrorism measure that does not garner front-page coverage has been our enhanced efforts to counter threat finance and develop financial intelligence. The Obama administration would be wise to continue to use these tools to disrupt and deter our enemies.
Since the Clinton administration, there have been efforts to follow the money and disrupt terrorist networks’ ability to fund their activities. In October 1999, the State Department encouraged the United Nations to enact Security Council Resolution 1267 against the Taliban and Osama bin Laden. This resolution gives countries the legal authority to freeze assets of known terrorists or those who support terrorists. However, it was President Bush who increased efforts dramatically. As a result our government now attacks the financial networks of criminals and terrorists with all elements of national power.
In seizing financial assets, as in drug seizures, the total cumulative dollar amount captured annually does little to reflect the progress of law enforcement. It is difficult to devise and employ metrics to gauge how the government is performing on this effort. Does more money being seized mean we are successful against more targets? Or, rather, is there so much being circulated in the global financial network that we are only scratching the surface?
How about also enhancing United Nations cooperation?
Maybe nothing needs to change. The terrorists would be fools to attack us again, as it would be the end of their dhimma Obama. Then we’d get some real hawk as Prez….
Obama does not want to defeat terrorism, the whole sick crew wants to lose the WOT:
1) The Left-Wing establishment, from Brzezinski to Samantha Powers, want to get back to the good old days of sucking up to foreign tyrants and taking, in various forms, their bribes. The fact that their paymasters hate America and what to undermine and destroy her is just more gravy on their plates. Of course, part of going back to the good old days also means getting back to the joyful business of destroying Jews and Israel. Nothing is better than killing Jews, except when you can also get paid for it. What a dessert in their banquet of ruination! They also want to get back to betraying our friends and those that depend on us. Younger voters may not realize how the Democrats constantly undermined the Cold War. Their constant aid to their fellow communists almost cost us victory—Viet Nam is a signal example of this. They have done, and will do, the same with the WOT. Any enemy of America is a friend of theirs. (And no, for the young out there, the Cold war was not a scam thought up by those evil Republicans to throw money at defense contractors, it was a savage and brutal affair, and our victory was a close run thing. If you think otherwise this is because your Democrat teachers lied to you.)
They are just smacking their lips at the thought of all of this.
2) The Left-Wing establishment does not believe there should be a war on terror. They do not believe it really exists as a threat, or if it does it is Americas fault because she is the greatest threat to the world and the largest terrorist in the world. This is because she is populated with (at least some) decent, hard working people that believe in Western Civilization. Nothing could be more evil than that. Some actually are practicing Jews or Christians — the very acme of terrorism.
These are the people who, in a time of war, have granted the legal rights of American citizens to our enemies. These are the people who, in a time of war, are going to cut the military budget by 11% just this year alone. These are the people that think that going over to the ME and humiliating themselves (and the rest of us) in front of savage and brutal killers, as Obama has just done, will keep us safe. These three items alone should tell anyone that is possessed of any sanity whatsoever how these people view the WOT. Democrats consider the WOT as a distraction from the real wars: The war on Capitalism, The War on America and the general The War on Western Civilization. The Left has be waging for this war for well nigh 100 years, now is their big chance to take it all down.
As soon as they can manage it, they will have us out of Afghanistan and Iraq, and we will be right back were we started. In fact, we will be in a worse position than have ever been in. This will be intentional.
3) The Left-wing establishment, or a sizable portion of it, thinks that the WOT is a complete scam hatched by the GOP to stay in power. Some of them actually believe that the GOP knocked down the WTC. Why would they think this? Because that is what they would do! Think not? Look at what they are doing with the “financial crisis”, a manufactured crisis created by almost solely by them. They are playing this to implement American style Communism, for in 10 days they have moved beyond even socialism, by rabidly whipping up people’s fears. Again, they want to get back to the real war, their War on America. But hey, GOP, thanks for the pointers — this is really useful stuff. Oh and by the way, did your commissar actually approve that bonus?
4) The Left-wing establishment is embarrass by the WOT before their fellow international socialists in the EU, at Davos and anywhere else an international socialist or a corporatist transnational may happen to suck air. These self-acclaimed “Citizens of the World” are the Democrats only true fellow citizens. Why should they care about the rest of us. We are just “voters”, and, my goodness, some of us actually do something productive. How so middle class of we chumps.
5) The Left-Wing does not want to do anything that requires competency, hard work and difficult decisions. They do not want to do anything that requires sound and firm moral principles. They above do not want to do anything–anything at all–for which they could be ever held responsible for in the slightest way. They are above all of this. All they want to to is jabber while they loot the wealth of America as they bring her down. This is their only competency (besides agitprop and stealing elections, that is).
6) Last but not least, they are fundamentally perverse, perverted and immoral. They think that right is wrong and wrong is right. The few of them that might have a decent or patriotic molecule or two in them are so chuck full of Ivy League Faculty Lounge chit chat, Marxist cant and have so many unicorns, rainbows and tulips floating around in their pointy little heads that they can scarcely tell if they are talking or passing wind. Such are the hands on the tiller of the Ship of State.
At some point in the future many of us will die because of these jackals. Remember the above when that happens.
There are many good ideas expressed in this article. The problem is that the author assumes the benevolent intent of the president and his administration. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama’s foreign policy credo centers on America atoning for its alleged sins; proving to the world that it is “good,” and that all those “terrorists” aren’t really such bad guys after all.
This of course translates into policies that are inimical to national security. We have already gotten a taste of it with Obama’s Gitmo/hamstring the CIA/be nice to terrorists initiative. It was a grand announcement to the world that Washington is no longer intent on preserving the security of the United States.
For a presentation of this ideology in a more literary fashion, please see my satirical piece, “Arafat the Compassionate”:
http://awolcivilization.com/?p=580
(Keep in mind as you read it that the narrator is a time traveler who sees how history “really” occurred, when the “lies” of right-wing propaganda are stripped away. The time machine was supplied by the Obama administration.)
“We are in a struggle that did not cease when President Bush left office. Our efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq are battles in the overall struggle against worldwide terror networks. And if we are to be successful we must attack the lifeblood of any enterprise its funding.”
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The lifeblood of any organization is not its funding but it’s dynamic ideology. By dynamic ideology I mean its intellectual and moral foundation – the ideas, aspirations and the conduct – that hold an organization together and give it purpose and life. Financing results when an organization has a dynamic ideology that appeals to others.
In a contest between those who believe they have a right to impose their will on others by the use of force and those who believe that the legitimate imposition of will is limited to persuading their fellow man to adopt their ideas, the latter group has the intellectual and moral high ground.
Unfortunately as a result of ignorance, political partisanship, cultural reticence and cowardice the clear advantage of the ideology of the West over the ideology of the Islamic fascists has been dissipated. Today in Iraq a free people are participating in elections. They are enjoying this democratic right not just as a result of their own efforts but as a result of the gargantuan sacrifice of the United States of America and to a lesser extent its coalition partners. The efforts of Iraqis and their liberators should be recognized and praised rather than scorned by the likes of HRC and BHO.
Unfortunately this sacrifice, this giving of blood and treasure, rather than being hailed for the hugely progressive advance of civilization that it achieved, has – due to ignorance and partisanship – been assailed by people who not only enjoy the benefits of democracy but claim to respect this ideology.
Yes, tens of thousands of Iraqis were killed during the democratization of Iraq. But only a small percentage of these people were killed by the liberators and the democracy-enablers. The vast majority of those killed were killed by those who tried to impose their will upon Iraq to prevent it from becoming a democracy.
While the United States was giving blood and treasure to enable Iraqis to choose democracy Iraq’s neighbor Iran was sending in terrorists to kill the American liberators and the Iraqis who had joined them in common cause. )Talks with Iran should take him place after they have withdrawn form Iraq and apologized and made reparations to the Iraqi people.)
In order to win the war against Islamic terrorism the United States must believe in the rightness of its cause and must not hesitate to inform those who doubt such rightness of both the results of its campaign and the firmness of its resolve.
Unfortunately there will be no progress in the next four years but instead much backsliding as the new American president does the opposite of what is necessary to win this contest of ideas.Interdicting financing is necessary but without the propaganda support this war needs and deserves the West will forever be on the defensive in the war against Islamic terrorism.
BTW, it might help if the NYT gets a memo from this new administration that it’s time to stop undermining this costly effort.
Vivo: The UN is only useful to the enemies of the USA and Israel in particular, and of Western Civilization in general.
It has been thoroughly hijacked by crooks, creeps, Socialists, Tranzis, and, most importantly in this case, Islamic tyrants, brigands, and murders, most of whom live in the ME. This happened long ago, and, given your “beliefs” and modes of expression, probably before you were born. The fact that you do not know what the UN is really about does not speak well of you.
The UN should be shut down, all of the money that the UN has looted from the US taxpayer repatriated and its villains put in jail or hung. Foreign policy for the USA should be handled directly through the State Dept. on a nation to nation basis, allowing for temporary multi-national coalitions as the need arises. If there is a need for more permanent arrangements, the international body that would embody these arrangements should be comprised of only nations that are both free and freedom loving. These criteria would of course preclude any Islamic country on the face of the earth.
Along with this reformation of diplomacy, the State Department should be cleansed of the Leftist, Democrat, Ivy League “elites” that now pervert and degrade it and its true mission, and the Department should be made accountable to the will and interest of the American people at large. Sadly, to achieve a sound and responsible diplomacy, we will have to wait until the traitorous Democrats are out of office.
There is in the end nothing useful that can come out of the UN, it is a source of little but evil.
At best, to think otherwise is to be a fatuous fool and a useful idiot to the enemies of this great nation; at worst, it is to be a traitor.
** but its dynamic ideology**
With apologies to Clarice.
I gotta disagree with you Marc. I think the terrorist have the perception that America has just performed a self-castration. We now have a prez who will not strike back and they believe they can kill Americans and Jews without fear of retaliation.
I think we are in for a rough 4 years with maybe a few suicide bombers in our major cities.
“How about also enhancing United Nations cooperation?”
The plutocratic United Nations is overrun with genocidal dictators, kooky kleptocrats and oppressive tyrants, why on earth would free people want to cooperate with child rapists, starvationists and overall evil creatures?
Mongoose: You should seriously consider closing every post with “BWAHAHAHAAAA! Now bring me the Earth-girl, Dale Arden!”
It would lighten-up your whole vintage-’50s “World Leftist Conspiracy” rap, and let the reader know you’re in on the joke.
Just a suggestion. I’m only concerned that some readers may think you actually believe what you’re typing, instead of recognizing it as a brilliant Strangelovian send-up of paranoid American jingoism.
vivo:
How about also enhancing United Nations cooperation?
Jan 31, 2009 – 3:00 am
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After hundreds of anti Israel/pro Palestinian terrorist U.N. Resolutions, anyone who things the U.N. can help us with this problem is illiterate on this issue and probably not educable.
The UN , now why would we want to help that group of moslem terror facilitators? Instead we could bypass them and send our funds directly to hamas/hezbolla, al-queada… jeeze the UN, what a moron.
Are you kidding me? If the War against Islamo-Fascist Carrion Pig-breeding Rats is to be won, it won’t be by this complete fraud and joke of a president. This president couldn’t manage his way out of a paper bag. Obama is a mythical creation of David Geffen and the MSM. Have you noticed how confused and overwhelmed he appears when asked ANYTHING impromptu? He talks like he has marbles in his mouth. To wit:
1. He really feels that going deeper into debt gets you out of a debt crisis.
2. He claims the ethics high ground yet virtually half his major appointments are guilty of tax evation or graft.
3. The midwest has been hit with a devastating ice/storm that has left almost as many people without power (in freezing teperatures, I might add) as the blacks in Katrina – yet not a peep out of this fraud.
4. He wishes relations with the muslim world to return to its milk-and-honey days of 20-30 years ago – perhaps this clown forgot the 444 days of hostage crisis with Iran 30 years ago?
5. His Sec of State lives off the kickbacks of the cherubic Emirates.
6. He is ready to sign a bill which flushes 850 Billion down the taxpayer toilet yet has the temerity to criticize Wall Street bonus payouts. “Pot, kettle, kettle, pot.”
Wake up you useful idiots, you have elected a complete fool as POTUS. He belongs in a sociology department at a community college in the suburbs of Chicago where he can rail against racist, inperial America til’ the cows come home.
Thanks for the laugh of the day, Sergio. The point of this administration is not to keep us safe but to destroy America. Remake it to what it should be in Prince Narcissus’ head. Remember him saying that when he was stumping around the America he hates? Whatever outside or inside forces can help expedite these ends is a good thing for Barry and his believers.
Has he thought about setting up an Acorn office somewhere in the Middle East. Seems that it has been effective in destroying opponents over here. After all, it’s a political situation, not a military one.
Stupid terrorists!
You’d better be careful or we’ll unleash our secret weapon!
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Mongoose: Well put. Your words sound harsh to people like Rotwang because they live entirely within the bubble of Leftist propaganda, which has now enveloped America and the West to the point of suffocation. Some of them will emerge from the bubble when they come face to face with the full brunt of the Obamunist nightmare. Others will continue into the abyss, like the millions of our planet’s previous advocates of collectivism, convinced that the erasing of the individual mind is a beneficial thing. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, there will be numerous victims, many of whom opposed the monstrosity from the beginning. So be a good nonconformist and keep up the fight. This is one more round in an ancient struggle. There were Obamas before, and there will be others in the future.
Mongoose, that was a great post, right on the money.
The UN has devolved into a tool and mouthpiece for the unciviised anti Western world. I agree that all American monetary foreign aid should be sent soley through the State Department rather than filtered through this corrupt and toothless organization.
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I do agree with the author of this article to the extent that intelligence work and disrupting financing are a big part of an overall strategy, but the surest way to reduce the armed islamic threat into a mere propaganda machine is by the wholesale killing of as many of them as is possible, anywhere and everywhere they exist, by ALL Western military forces.
If I wanted to increase cooperation in the finance and business world, I would not start off with a “Buy American” stimulus package.
AWOL: Hi. Say, If that is you, I read your site all the time–you are in my reader. Good work.
Do me a favor and write more. I myself would be interest in more reading more commentary on the current hideous state of the Arts, particularly focused on music and Literature. I am less interested in pining about the current mess than I am seeking a way out of this impasse.
I do enjoy your growing prowess with fiction, but I do also like you non-fiction posts.
As to Rotwang: he is old enough to know better; I have little pity for him whatsoever, and absolutely no respect. He deserves what coming to him. He has no idea how bitter his live is going to be.
Again, nice blog and keep up the good work.
Sergio, you are a f***ing idiot!! Hussein Obama has no interest in stopping his muslim brothers; he wants the terrorists to win.
They know that! That’s why there will be another attack, probably, by income tax day or maybe on the Fourth of July.
That attack will allow Hussein to say, “we really need to hear what these fellows have on their minds.”
Always remember that Obama’s sole objective is to destroy the American middle class. Everything he does will be targeted, short range, long range, at that objective.
Obama’s response to the attack will probably be a major constriction of American military power, including reducing the number of carrier groups from the current 10 (11?) to 3 or 4, turning all sorts of US sovereignty over to UN organizations, the same to international courts, apologizing for all sorts of imagined ancient wrongs and, certainly, America’s cultural imperialism.
Sergio – Does more money being seized mean we are successful against more targets? Or, rather, is there so much being circulated in the global financial network that we are only scratching the surface?
One objective measure that the money-starving IS working and having an effect is in that seized letter in 2006 Ayman al-Zawahiri wrote to Zarkawi in Iraq. That in addition to stopping stupid medieval acts of barbarism against fellow Muslims and doing head-chopping videos, he needed to send money to AQ in Waziristan, fast…as they were badly hurting for it.
Another measure is that Saudi Arabia hopped off the fence in 2005 after two bloody attacks inside KSA were seen as a direct challenge to sovereignity. And began “disappearing” wealthy Saudis, even members of the royal family, found to be giving money to AQ. US treasury reports that the Saudis have also hit charities that funneled money to AQ and persons in the Halawa network found to be doing arms or other financial transactions with terrorists as self-identified or through the USA, European, other nation intel and SWIFT intel gleaned..
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Mongoose – Rotwang is right. All you are doing is engaging in hysterical venting, and engaging in mindless jabber about a vast Left Wing Conspiracy. Do you believe that flouridation of the water supply is also a plot?
Same with your later rant about leaving the UN. With far bigger issues than scattered small acts of terrorism facing the world today, America’s enemies would like nothing better than to have the US Veto become history and for the US to willingly leave and make itself a Pariah nation along with what Zionist backers think of as our 51st State that should call the shots in foreign poilicy for the other 50.
‘Tis indeed a pity, for you at least, that all your hysterics and fears have no power, no political backing behind them anymore in the United States. You have had – thanks to BUsh and a Republican Party gone badly wrong – embarked on a journey into political wilderness, and all you say and want no longer has any effective agents in a capacity in US Government to carry out what you want done.
All you have, until conservatives can fix all that went badly awry for them – a process that will take years – is desperate Blog rants.
Mongoose: Yes, it’s me. Glad to hear you’re enjoying AWOL. I will do my best to keep up the effort. Hang in there. I believe that America will prevail, but it will be rough going for sure.
Cedarfort,
Some how you always get to your agenda the “Pariah” state. The Zionist this, the Zionist that. Can’t you get a life. You’re getting boring.
The US today is in the middle of a social experiment. Obama won by 2% and that after running a nearly perfect campaign. The US is waiting to judge him and it will. 2% margins move very easily. I see nobody who is desperate. The first test will come in two years in the congressional elections. Obama better realize he represents whole country not just the loose screws like you. He can very easily lose the House and destroy his own mandate to rule.
Cederford: Look at the idiotic and immature moonbat that you side with. You should be ashamed of yourself. Look were your bitterness is leading you. Go over to KOS and stew in your bitterness and frustration. they hate jews over there too.
Spare me your nasty personal problems. You are a bitter, frustrated old anti-semite. If ever there was evidence of the shallowness of your mind it is agreeing with someone like Rotwang. Take a look at yourself. And you purport to be a conservative. What a fraud.
Do not project your loopy venting on me. Look at the rest of the thread. Everyone but the moonbats agree with me. Why are you in such vile company?
You need to face the fact that you have serious emotional issues. You need help. get it before it is too late. Seriously. you are head for some real problems. Pityful.
Few adults on this site can stand you. The only ones that listen to you at all are the howling moonbats.
Why is no one talking about the 1 millon homes without electricity in KY? Obama hasn’t even mentioned it. If Bush did that the MSM would be going nuts. He has the oval office at 72 degrees while people are without heat. I have family there, they have lost all their food in their freezer, they can’t drive because of the trees in the roadway, they had to walk to a neighbor’s house to stay because they have a generator thats providing some relief. Shoudn’t he have done a flyover or a press con.?
Cathy,
You mean to say Obama is not perfect?
Cathy horner,
I just read the article about KY and what’s going on there. I’m sorry about the joke earlier. You are right. Keep it up!
Just a side point….
Obama just signed legislation to double the amount of money this country is giving to foreign aid. Also this story was about terrorist, right?
He is giving Hamas 20 million to help them rebuild.
See, that is why everybody loves him.
Mongoose, take a nap.
Obama has already taken a first step in promising to close Gitmo. Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and the War in Iraq have created inspiration for terrorism. Why fight a “war” if you’re just going to create more enemies?
The so called war on terror has become the biggest fraud since the war on drugs. You can’t wage war on a tactic. Terrorism will be best fought through international cooperation instead of military confrontation. That means concentrating on some of the hot spots the author mentioned. That may also mean working with the United Nations as well as some countries who don’t really like us too much.
Don’t get me wrong. That doesn’t mean we always play nice. Iran is obviously a main player in terrorism and we need to confront them. Pakistan is another. But entities like Al Qaida are a true cancer and are as much a threat to Pakistan and Iran as they are to us.
Lastly, let’s remember that terrorism comes in all forms. I resent for instance the tag “Islamic terrorism.” The bastards who perpetrated 091101 hurt their religion and should burn in hell for the twin sin of murder and suicide. I have always thought the Ayatollah Kohmeini also deserves a special place in hell for inspiring many of the jihadists we have to confront today. But terrorism crosses all boundaries. Timothy McVeigh was certainly not a Muslim nor an Arab. Neither are the KKK, the IRA or Che.
The War on Islamic Terrorism has been continuing since the Jefferson Administration, and can end only with the total annihilation of Islam.
6. Mongoose:
Boy! You do hate the world!
Your views are so constrictive it must hurt like hell . . .
The best thing President Obama can do is stop American aggressive policies and declare peace with the world. America does not need a military and violence is NEVER the answer. Obama is intelligent enough to understand this.
17. AWOL Civilization:
“Mongoose: Well put. Your words sound harsh to people like Rotwang because they live entirely within the bubble of Leftist propaganda”
EVERYTHING that is not right-wing is leftist propaganda! You cannot believe that there are rational people outside the Right fringe. Get out of your cave and see the world. With 6 billion people and counting, the solutions for the world need vision, not parochial nonsense.
25. Mongoose:
Well put! What you wrote is simply SELF-REFLECTION.
Is Leftwingand Brave (#33) serious or joking? War, you say, is never a solution – to what? The United States going to war in World War II was the solution to the wars started by Nazi Germany and Japan. The Union fighting the Confederacy during the American Civil War was the solution to the attack of the South on the United States and to the problem of slavery. And so on. The United States established peace in Europe which has lasted from 1945 to the present and protected it from Soviet expansion. Do you really think that all the tyrannical dictatorships are peaceful?
All those conflicts created violence and killed people.
Pat J: Grow up.
VIvo, you have no idea what the world is or what it is about. You do not live in it. You live in a bubble supplied by the MSM to keep you in the dark. I live in the real world and have in fact spent decades oversea. I also had the “pleasure” of interacting with foreign services of our government and those of foreign governments. You only know what you read on the left-wing end of the internet, what your Democrat teachers taught you and what you hear in the MSM. That claptrap you have your nose in is just a confabulation of lies and agitprop. I doubt that you even own a passport, but, if you do, I bet it has only two or three tourist stamps in it.
BTW, like a true moonbat, you cannot counter my points, but can only call names. This is because the “opinions” that you mouth are merely received, and the talking points themselves are absurd.
I can assure you the UN is most certainly not“the world”, it does not “speak for the world”; it does not “represent the World”. Moreover, heaping upon it the derision it so deeply and richly deserves is in fact an act of courageous love for “the World”–the real world, not your fake little moonbat notion of it.
The UN no more “represents the world” than Hamas “represents the Palestinians” or the NYT and the Democrats “represent America”.
If you had ever met a few of the average UN “representatives” and understood how they got their “jobs”, you would understand that they do not “represent” anything other than themselves, their current tyrants and paymasters, and the parasitical political classes from which they spring.
Do you have any idea how they get those “jobs” in most of those countries out there?
They were toadies, thugs, bagmen and henchmen to brutal tyrants and oligarchs. Either that or they are the children of such vermon. They rat people out, enslave “the people”, loot “the people”, ensnare and attack the enemies of their faction, sometimes hounding them to death. They do this all out cynical self interest to curry favor from the tyrants that run their countries. If they do this well enough then they (or their children) get the jobs. Then they head out to Turtle Bay and begin to cynically hustle up international funds from their counterparts in the West who themselves have pilfered their own countries for the loot. When they are not doing that they are down on the floor of the assembly spewing out lies, hatred for the West, and in general seeking to lot and undermine your country. Oh, and destroy Israel. Rogues and parasites.
The whole lot in general aid and succor the most vile people in their countries and in “the World”– the real world. You know, a UN representative when he actually goes home form NYC gets to take a shipping container of personal loot home with him–tax free, BYW–you should see the booty these brigands take home.
What villains you are defending. Why is that? It is because you are a clueless tool of tyrants and the International Left.
The perfidy of the UN and its villains is well documented. Next time check it out before you start defending such vile miscreants. But, remember, that is just the time of the iceberg. We will never get to the bottom of most of it. There buddies, like the Democrats in Congress, cover for them.
37…if little Finland had not “created violence and killed people” in response to the unexpected invasion by the Soviet Union in 1939 and basically fought them to a standstill for months, Finland would not have survived as a nation.
Finland’s leaders didn’t think, and neither do I, that surrender to avoid violence is a logical choice for a sovereign nation.
“Leftwingandbrave” is just trolling for hits on its blog. Ignore it.
Looks like some PJM Censor has been busy deleting any posts that she or he disagreed with.
If you disagree with posts or think they violate some policy or are too personal…then you should in the places you delete – mention that you just wiped out about 7 posts on this thread, including all of Victoria’s, and state why….Please..With sugar piled on top…
And perhaps put on your frontpage that PJM is now vigorously enforcing certain policies and that contrary views on (list the subjects) will be deleted..
Otherwise, it just looks sneaky and cowardly to people realizing you are actively censoring, but not being open about it..
Cedarfart,
Be glad that PJM is censoring everyone, or else you would have gotten all those “love” messages I sent you.
39. Mongoose:
“Do you have any idea how they get those “jobs” in most of those countries out there?
They were toadies, thugs, bagmen and henchmen to brutal tyrants and oligarchs.”
The UN representatives are simply the voice of their country leader. So it makes sense that a bunch of them are no different from really bad leaders. But you make it sound like it’s 100%. There are many “good” countries, so many representatives are good ones. And that’s one of the problems with Democracy: the majority wins. Not Reason.
I’m sure you have seen your share of unfair, unjust, unethical behavior. So you have lost hope. As long as your brain (everybody’s, so you don’t feel insulted) is chemically balanced, there is hope.
Vivo: Yet again vivo, you fail to address my points with real facts, experience or valid argument, and resort to sloganeering, wishful thinking, projection and name calling. You are living is a fantasy world. The “you make it sound like it is 100%” is just a lame argument and merely a rhetoric dodge on your part. If it was only 40% it would be reason enough to shut thar viper pit down, particularly if they are the ones calling the shots.
Your rhetoric just avoids the issue. You need to travel a bit, and with your eyes open, and if you do you will see that most of the world is a political hellhole. It is not at all like America, though with Obama we are getting closer to this nonsense every day. The so caled “stimulus package” is right in line with the sorts of lootings and political opperssions that happen all over the world every year under 3rd world despots. SO in ACORN.
I’d bet that you have never even spoken to a UN manger or FO official. Hve you ever been in the building for anything else than a tour? Certainly, you have never tried to do business overseas, or tried to raise a family overseas or protect people that you care about or their property. I’d bet that you have never tried doing business anywhere, that you just have some staff job somewhere. Do you even have any children?
What on earth do you base you opinion on? The snake water that the Democrats are pushing? Listen, this whole game that the Liberal Democrat (and their foreign counterparts) have got going with the UN, NGO’s, Foundations, International “poverty consultants”, “development banks”, etc, is just one big hustle. Its primary purpose is for them to take the taxpayer’s money (or hit their own cash) and for them ro sit around in these parasitical organizations and not have to work for a living!. It is a completely made up and make believe world. That is what it is about. It is not about anything else than that. That is what the Democrats are about, and you will be completely excluded from a job in that world, or if you got one it would just be a grunt job–you would be a peon. Remember that the next time you are sick of your job or your boss. You are paying the rent for these folks. You are being played for a fool. You might be able to live with that now, but think about what it means over the course of your life. Your children are slaving away for these floks children.
You really need to face that. You have no idea how the world really works. You are living in a dream world supplied to you by the MSM, your education and the Democrats. Your future depends on you getting clear on that. Get clear on it.
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You post your nonsense all over this bog, adults try to correct you and yet you still cling to your moonbat BS. What are you going to do when you discover that you are wrong.
Cedarford: no sane adult agrees with you.
hit their own cash=hide their own cash
While I agree that a cry to “protect the purity of essence of our precious bodily fluids” does little to add credence to any of the speaker’s positions, I think it is inaccurate to lump Mongoose’s thoughts on the UN in with John Birch anti-flouridation efforts. Can you, either Cedarford or Rotwang, offer any objective evidence that the UN, as it exists and not as the ideal you think it should be, would likely be more helpful as a body in fighting terrorism given its track record of anti-semetic/pro-terrorist GA resolutions and meetings, the make-up of its “human rights” commission, its history of human rights violations (e.g. slavery and child prostitution throughout its involvement in Africa), its unappologetic corruption at the highest levels (Oil for Food just being the largest and having the most direct impact on policy), etc. These are not fantasy, but cold hard fact.
When I look at the UN, I see a body that does reflect the world. Unfortunately, in most of the world, poverty and hunger reign and the powerful keep their power through violence, corruption and graft. On the banks of the East River it can honestly be said that the inmates run the asylum.
Pat J: When a group such as Christians organize globally to violently overthrow any non-Christian nation and to oppress and kill non-Christians I will take seriously your juxtiposition of the IRA (limited in scope to Northern Ireland independence from England), the KKK (reduced these days to mostly nasty websites and the occasional irritation march) and McVeigh (a lone wacko and favorite strawman for those wanting to score cheap points against survivalists, Christians, militias or gun nuts) against the very real global structure of goals of Islamofacsism.
I, too, dislike the sobroquet “War on Terror,” but GWB was up against the clock to say “we are fighting those who believe and adhere to a vision of Islam that includes the violent application of terrorist tactics to expand their influence and destroy non-Muslim people and nations” in a pithy way that didn’t automatically isolate and alienate the millions of Muslims we aren’t at war against. The GWOT is not a war against a tactic, but rather against those with a global reach who would use that tactic to threaten the US, her allies and interests. Again, if you can find a way to make McVeigh, the IRA or KKK fit that mold, more power to you.
As the idea of “creating more enemies,” I see it more as a case of those enemies we did not know of coming into the open. As many have pointed out, the terrorists don’t wear a uniform declaring their loyalty; we do not know they are an enemy until they act. Anyone who is going to say “I’ll blow myself up because those American devils kicked out that murderous dog Saddam” isn’t someone we were ever likely to win over anyway. They were a loaded chamber waiting for the hammer to fall, so I say it’s better to know them for what they are than for what they were hiding as. My perception is that many of the Democrat persuasion are reticent to listen to what these people’s leaders are really saying and to honestly consider just how many jihadi there may be. If only 1% of Muslims believe in violent jihad (and polls show it is higher) that’s still a global army of over a million. I don’t say we have to kill all of them, but we will have to kill all the most dedicated and ardent before the others start reevaluating their commitment.
Submandave: not to be picky but 1% would be over 10 million jihadis.
Also, in the thread above, McVeigh is mentioned as a terrorist with non-muslim background. I believe the evidence is clear that he received his training in explosives in the Philippines, another country facing a serious Muslim insurgency. Although it was never emphasized, I believe I have read that his contacts in the Philippines were muslim.
submandave,
Check your math 1% of 1.3billion is 13million. That’s a lot of JIhadis.
submandave: What nonsense. all of this are part of major current discussion on the political right. There is nothing antiquated about it. Read John Bolton and his discussions about reforming the UN. Read Nyquist. Go over to the NRO. Did you miss the “OiL for Food” scandal? Your 1950′s “argument” is totally bogus on the face of it, and you would know that if you poked you head out of your Lefty bubble. What obtuse nonsense.
This “Bircher” slander of you is just another taking point that you have unwittingly received in you “education” and from the MSM. You do not even know its history, i’d bet. It is just the standard Lefty comeback and we have been hearing for decades. This rhetorical lie is on the same level as the one that the Nazis were not Socialists, and it is just as much a lie as that. It is just BS. After all the obstructionism in the UN of the last 8 years, nobody but the Left buys your little rhetorical evasions of responsibility anymore. Moreover, it is illogical and irrational. That fact that a proposition was once held at one time by one group of people does not logically preclude that it is not valid in another time by another group of people. The actual points have to be address. This is a plain logical fallacy of the sort that is dismissed in Freshman writing classes. To cling to such this is to merely cover your ears (and to demonstrate how poorly educated you are).
It is only a matter of time before the UN is either reformed or closed down. We may have to wait until this incompetent current president is out, but that will hap[pen soon enough the way he is going. The country is already sick of him and he has not been in office a month.
You sink to name calling in an intellectually dishonest attempt to dismiss my position without having to honestly address it. You do so becuase you have no valid arguement. Like vivo, you are living in a fantasy world, and all of by critizims of him apply as equally to you.
I would go further and say that you are a flat-out intellectual coward and liar, whereas vivo is just young and misguided.
I also doubt that you have any real world experience in the matter of the UN and FOS whatsoever. You are just repeating talking points that you have not even examined. You may think this makes you look insightful, “current” and clever, but in reality it make you look like a useful idiot and an uninformed dolt. Taking common cause with an anti-semite like cedarford calls into question your very morality. The comic thing is that Cedarford doessound like a Bircher, and I bet that that is where he gets must of his jew hating rhetoric from00 he sure sounds like he is of the right age. You would know that if you understood the slightest thing about the history the 1950′s, the Cold War and American politics in that period. But you do not know a thing about it, you are just choke full of the propaganda that the Democrats have been pumping out for decades. When you finally figure it all out, remember I told you so.
The views that I am voicing on this thread are common currency among most conservative and most right of center voters. The fact that you do not know this shows how mired you are in your lefty bubble and talking point.
Just watch what happens when Obama tries to hand over our sovereignty to the UN. All hell will break loss. Think about your lame “Bircher slander” then.
45. Mongoose:
“You have no idea how the world really works. You are living in a dream world supplied to you by the MSM, your education and the Democrats.
… What are you going to do when you discover that you are wrong.”
OK, let say that I buy your BS, now what?
You’re not being unrealistic. I’ve seen what you’re saying. It’s going to take many generations to become civilized. But we cannot give up hope.
Is that DoubleTapper guy for real?
He looks like an Action Figure!
And that Giant IDF Woman is incredible.
Israel’s enemies better watch out!
Mongoose. Stop it. You’re embarrassing yourself.
#8 John Dubya – I agree with you. I was just making a point, which is why I started with maybe. Prez Obama vs. a real Hawk. Muslim fate.
Political Correctness, Identity Politics and a growing antisemitism excludes any real action or even the idea on “the War on Terror”. Much, perhaps most, of this Administration does not consider the jihadist terrorist but victims of the White Patriarchy Capitalist America.
President Obama has in fact said he wants to stop the military option and return to the Clinton era Police Model. The Police Model may well work against street criminals, thieves, forgers and such. The Police Model is rather ill equipped to deal with armed, trained and dedicated armies-men well willing to trade life for life.
But He who’s middle name is Hussein may well well NOT want to truly defeat his paternal cousins. Ask Reverend Jeremiah Wright, He who’s middle name is Hussein friend Minister of the Nation of Islam-Chicago Farrakhan or He who’s middle name is Hussein friend Former Black Panther, now Congressmen, Bobbie Rush-or the President’s friend Weather Underground Leader William Ayres. All terrorist in their own manner, friends of Hamas and Hezbollah and quite bitter at America. We ARE known by the company we keep.
With the election of President Obama we lost the War on Terror–parking tickets and restraining orders will not impress men willing to fly planes into buildings and burn people alive. He who’s middle name is Hussein does have “a certain resentment against my mother’s race”–it’s over.
America-You will be missed.