Comments on: The Dirty Little Secret About the ‘Palestinians’

By: Freedomlover

Freedomlover — Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:04:51 +0000

Must read for all: “History Upsdie Down, the Roots of Palestinian Fascism and the Myth of Israeli Aggression” by David Meir-Levi. Must web site for all who want to know what Palestinians say to one another (schools, mosques, media and political venues) vs what they say to US/West – in their own words: Palestinian Media Watch.

By: Ergo

Ergo — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:40:26 +0000

“Dirty little secret”?!
I’d say it’s a Big Lie. Of the kind that would have made Goebbels proud.

By: yoram 1

yoram 1 — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:57:11 +0000

to Matthew
many of the “facts” in your no4 comment’ are just falsed:
1. the fact that arab residence of the land were “forced” to leave by gun armed people is contraversible. many of them stayed in israel. this is a fact, otherwise how come there are any arab residence in israel today? many of them choosed to stay and only run later on if the war is getting any worst. but as they understood that no harm is going to be done to them by the Jews- they stayed. the others, that did run away, did it, mostly, as per the call to do so by arab leders, whom were so convinced the war is going to be end with wiping young israel of the map. this is not some kind of israli agenda, in contrary with the palestinian one. you can find many references and documentation to that on “from time immemorial”, by american journalist Joan Peters (if you read the prolog , then you learn that this lady used to be a real supporter of the palestinians, and the original aim of that book was a pro-palestinian one, but sitting for long time in librarys and reading lots of old papers led to an absolutley opposite conclusions- that are described in details in that must read book)
2. the fact that there was armed people, who appeared in a”peacefull” arab villages- means nothing. many civilians were killed by armed USA soldiers during WW2, for instance, so maybe it is a reason good enough to let Hittler take Europe? and how about the thousands killed by NATO forces in former Joguslavia? in time of war civilians may get killed, and with all the sorrow in the world- that means nothing when asking the questions abiut how just a war was. the 48 war was declaired by arabs, after denying UN resolution 181 (that israel gladly addopted!). israel had all the justifications in the world (including juristic ones!) to defence itself. civilians may get killed in wars (jewish civilians were killed too. did you know that tel aviv was air striked by egiptian jets during that war? did you know that jewish old city of jerusalem was blasted by jordanian artilerry during that war? did you know that jews, who used to live in old city of jerusalem for decades had to leave all behind and escape to other parts of israel as the jordanioans occupied jerusalem?)
3. about UNRWA- the point is all about justice. we, the jews, have had to learn how to stay alive in hard situations during our pleasant time in europe pogroms and arab slauters for decades. so gladly we didnt need UNRWA jews from all over the world helped us on the monitary level. but the point is that UNRWA was established by UN in order to help and to take care of refugees in the middle east after the 48 war- so why isn’t it okay to help those (so many of them!) jewes who run away and fled from their former “homes” in arab hostile countries (read the above book. it gives a comprehensive view on how hostile was arab countries to theire jewish residents, especialy after the 48 war). the point here is all about justice. if UN calls for such an agency- than it should help ALL refugees, or if not- then explain why! none of these was done.
4. the point that israel had had its payment agreement with germany has nothing to do with the above UNRWA point. my father, for instance, would have gladly give this money back if his mother and younger sister were living. it is an hypocrite act to ask israel to pay for the so called damage it made to palestinians, and use the german paymantrs as something that shall prevent jewish refugees from getting any help from UNRWA. UNRWA did not help the jews because israel is no threat to the world, and the arabs are (either by terrorism or oil)
5. about the fact that no other western country had fled residence of any occupied teritory- you must be kidding, probably: only in the last 2 decades- former Joguslavia had massive population exchange (under NATO observation). iraq, under USA mandat had removed all Sune iraqis from the south to the north, as shiite iraqis did the opposite direction. your facts are just not correct. the 20th century as a whole was one with largestpeoplation exchange with hugh numbers of refugees (few millions)moving fronm one country to another, regardless of how long they had been living in the former.all long wars in the 20th century was those which western democracies were involved in.
6. about the “thieving lands”- i believe that according to your moral code USA should give back its land to the Indians, ruissia should give Moldova back to romania, Ukraine shall give back all its teritory back to sweden, pakistan shall be integrated back into india,-or this is only truth for israel?
by the way- all “occupied” territories was never an soverene teritories. it always was a deserted land, under some mandat or other occupation- and never declaired as a palestinian state, so israel didnt stole anything from nobody- the jews declaired this teritory as a state, after was left by british mandate- which was hold after WW1 as othoman empire lost the land to UK. furthermore, israel did accepted the option of cutting the land into 2 states, an offer denyed by arabs, so there is no stealling of any land from anybody who ever declaired its ownership upon it. never was!
beside- how come that after all isreali attempts to give back all “occupied teritories” in Camp David- arafat stil refused? maybe it’s time to start, for the least, suspecting the palestinians real intentions? after all, any arab state who really want peace with isreal- have it, and even got its land back… seems odd- isnt it??

By: Stan

Stan — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:31:59 +0000

There are two rational measures that Israel must take regarding the Arabs of Judea and Samaria, both of which require that Israel asserts total control over the disputed territories. First, a kind of “denazification” of local Arab society must take place. The Arab media and school curricula will have to be made subject to Israeli oversight. All propaganda and counter-factual teaching must be banished. This is the only way to stop anti-Israel incitement, which is requisite for any conceivable future coexistence. Second, those local Arabs who present intractable cases must be permanently expelled, to Jordan or elsewhere. In particular, any Arab who identifies with Hamas, as well as most PA officials, will be disposed of. If Israel pursued these policies, it would take on the order of a decade to undo the damage done by the Oslo process.

Aside from this, Israel should unilaterally annex at least those parts of Judea and Samaria that are deemed vital to Israeli security, whatever those may be. The Israeli public needs to realize that hostile Arabs in annexed territories need not be granted automatic citizenship; rather, this should be conditioned on the demonstrable desire to live in peace in a sovereign Jewish state. The Arabs of Gaza, Samaria, and Judea have among the highest fertility rates in the world. This is self-conscious and deliberate overbreeding as a weapon of demographic Jihad, and it shouldn’t be rewarded.

In the near term, the most important thing to do is to bomb, bomb Iran (as John McCain put it). And if at first you don’t succeed, try, try again.

By: John "birther" Samford

John "birther" Samford — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:36:31 +0000

For decades I have been asking who the first Palestinian King was, what city his palace was in and how long did he reign. The Arabs cannot provide an answer. Never have, never will because there never has been a nation called Palestine, isn’t one now and never will be. If Israel vanished tomorrow, the Levant would be fought over between Syria, Jordana and Egypt.
My money is on Egypt. They have a bigger army. Jordan has a better army, but not enough to make up for the numerical difference.

By: DoubleTapper

DoubleTapper — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:20:48 +0000

I don’t recommend you attack us at all.

If you do

we’ll unleash our secret weapon!

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By: Ray in Seattle

Ray in Seattle — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:41:40 +0000

DavidN writes: “So both Israel and Palestine are modern constructions. Does this mean that either of the groups of people involved have less of a right to the land they’re standing on? Of course not.”

Seems sensible David. You are correct that both groups of people had an equal right to the land they are standing on – in 1947. That is, before the people standing on the land that was to be given Arab sovereignty – attacked those standing on the land that was to become Israel – with the intent to destroy them.

Even so, had the Arabs accepted their defeat in 1949 and endeavored to live peacefully then they could have asked the right to live there as part of a peace treaty and agreement between thee parties. But they did not. Instead they claimed that their abortive war was not over and that they’d continue their efforts until all Jews were either gone from the ME or were living as dhimmi under Arab rule. And since then, they have several times now attacked Israel with that intention, each time from the territory that was to be theirs legally but is now, on the WB in any case, under defensive Israeli occupation, circumscribed by a fence and wall, necessary to keep them from killing Israelis with bombs in their cafes.

In any sane world the people who call themselves Palestinians would have been relocated to Jordan and Egypt (or someplace else even further from Israel) long ago and the WB and Gaza would have been added as necessary defensive additions to the state of Israel – as they should have been in 1948.

But this world is not a sane one and so the killing and bloodshed will continue, encouraged along by clueless individuals like yourself who choose to believe, against all evidence and historic fact, that the people who call themselves Palestinians will happily live in peace with the Jews of Israel as neighbors – if only the right concessions are made to them.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:40:22 +0000

By: Don51

Don51 — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:33:55 +0000

So what’s the principle here. Will German Silesians get the right of return to lands they were ethnically cleansed from after the Second World War, mere years prior to the Palestine-Israel situation? Or do white Europeans get a separate set of principles than others?

By: Jimmy C

Jimmy C — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:01:44 +0000

“But this thread is discussing the palestinians…” and I said the problem was Islam and the others I stated were all about…and I did mention that Jews and Christians have been kicked out of ME countries and you ignore that conveniently. But we’ll keep it to your borders. These “Palestinians” you believe are poor little innocent victims, why don’t you study what they’ve done to Lebanon and the maronite christians, around 100,000 of whom were slaughtered for welcoming these “victims” into their land? What do you think should be done for “compensation” here – if any.

“See now why that argument is bogus?”

That’s kinda the point but you cannot see it. You only attack Israel yet Israel has done no worse than most other nations, in fact I’d argue that they have done much better. You apply one set of rules to Israel and only Israel. You also dismiss the jews’ belief in their homeland as “fairytale” whilst believing in the biggest fairytale of all, that of the “Palestinians”. Your point about demographics is potent, pity you cannot expand on it as regards the spread of Islam and the use of demographics as a weapon of conquest. But you naively believe this conflict is about territory and Israel. It isn’t. It is about Islam, the spread of Islam and sharia law again, an aspect never mentioned.

It is amazing that apologists will be full of vehemence and high morals they demand be applied to Israel but never ever apply the same standards to Islam. It’s funny how you resent my assertion “Israel belongs to the Jews” but having seen jews and christians massacred and expelled from Islamic countries, you don’t seem to have a problem with Islamic countries making the assertion about their lands – “Dar al Islam” belonging to Muslims, which is blatant hypocrisy. And you mention apartheid when under sharia law, non-believers are regarded as inferior to muslims and are oppressed dreadfully, and when it comes to women, their lives are regarded as half that of their menfolk and they too are oppressed, a clear gender apartheid. Yet you whine about racism and ethnic cleansing? It isn’t the Israelis who are guilty of that and it isn’t Israel who is trying to destroy other people. The muslims on the other hand seem to have a habit of slaughtering people who do not share their belief wherever they go. Ignored by Israel haters of course.