The Democrats’ Hypocritical Demonization of Health Reform Protesters
As members of Congress go home for the August recess and face questioning and sometimes angry crowds at local town hall meetings around the country, the White House and the Democratic leadership are busy characterizing this opposition as astroturfers:
The Republicans and their allied groups — desperate after losing two consecutive elections and every major policy fight on Capitol Hill — are inciting angry mobs of a small number of rabid right-wing extremists funded by K Street Lobbyists to disrupt thoughtful discussions. …
These mobs are bussed in by well funded, highly organized groups run by Republican operatives and funded by the special interests who are desperately trying to stop the agenda for change the president was elected to bring to Washington. Despite the headline grabbing nature of these angry mobs and their disruptions of events, they are not reflective of where the American people are on the issues — or the hundreds of thousands of thoughtful discussions taking place around kitchen tables, water coolers and in homes.
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It’s a tried and true method of political posturing: demonizing the opposition. It’s been especially popular with the Obama administration and the Pelosi-Reid Congress.
But if I were a moderate Democrat or an independent, one who had voted for Obama but was now feeling some wariness about the health care reform bill, how would I react to these sorts of statements by the Democratic National Committee? I believe the answer would be: with increasing distrust and resentment.
That’s because, although I would concede that some of the town hall agitators are probably exactly as described by the DNC, I would also very likely know quite a few persons in the real world who are just as angry about the current health care reform bill as those seen in the videos of the town hall meetings. And I would know that those people I’m acquainted with are not paid operatives. I might not even consider them especially extreme in their views. In fact, I might share some of their deep concerns about the bill as written — including the fact that it’s so long and complex and ever-changing that I’m not really sure what it contains right now, and I’m not sure my representative knows, either.
I might be angry at the idea that the member of the House or Senate who represents me is likely to have failed to even read the bill yet and may not plan to, and that Obama’s press secretary hedged when asked whether President Obama has read it or intends to do so. And I might even be angry about “the agenda for change” currently being implemented, thinking it’s not exactly what I thought “the president was elected to bring to Washington.”
The Dems don’t have to demonize the protesters at all. If they believe they are right, they should vote their conscience and face the consequence in the next election.
Can Ya Smell the Fear? Fear and Loathing in D.C.
“Fear is an emotional response to threats and danger. It is a basic survival mechanism occurring in response to a specific stimulus, such as pain or the threat of pain . . . Fear should be distinguished from the related emotional state of anxiety, which typically occurs without any external threat. Additionally, fear is related to the specific behaviors of escape and avoidance, whereas anxiety is the result of threats which are perceived to be uncontrollable or unavoidable:” Wikipedia.
Fear also triggers the age-old dilemma of whether to strike out or to hightail it to safer environs, the fight or flight option.
Congressional Dems evidently have chosen to strike out and fight on the Obamacare debacle, although their fighting methods are more akin to those of a 6 year old girl who chooses to strike back by screaming hysterical lies rather than directly confronting the opposition.
Wikipedia distinguishes between fear and anxiety but there really isn’t much difference with the Democrats on this issue: Their only external threat is truth and honesty and both terrify them. Admixed with a distinct loathing for conservative principles, it’s a potent combination.
I’ve seen videos of a number of those townhall-type meetings that reflected a genuine concern and, yes, outright disgust and deep angst on the part of the citizenry. The attendees, too, are fearful but not afflicted with baseless anxiety.
See a few relevant videos here http://bit.ly/2f8nAG, here http://bit.ly/194wyZ, here http://bit.ly/ICP8A, and here http://bit.ly/108jlE.
Their fear, anger, and disgust are well-founded in the belief that governmental nitwits will soon be determining what health care they get and, literally, deciding whether it’s their time to shuffle off this mortal coil.
Liberals are many things but, usually, not stupid. It will be a long, hot August for them if they continue to allow popular dissent.
Those townhalls will soon devolve into . . .
(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)
These “Astroturfers” are already getting called out by the media and are derailing talk from the real issues which I think republicans really need to focus on right now. Like the birthers, this kind of attention isn’t needed – because if any health care reform passes, thats the end for republicans.
Any time the president discredits protesters in this country, is an historical time!
You know what’s coming — ACORN, the SEIU and other Marxist groups will attack the Tea Partiers, claim the conservatives started it, and the lying left-wing lapdog propagandists in the MSM will parrot that line.
This will give the Obama Administration to open up a McCarthyist (or more accurately Wilsonist/Palmerist) crackdown on opposition groups, only this time on the right — with the media and phony far-left “Human Rights” groups applauding this descent into Marxist tyranny.
It is time for all right thinking Americans to cast aside the bigotries of the past and adopt the “right”thinking ways of the agents of change. One of the first ways all of us can cleanse ourselves of these eaviles is to follow the dictates of our leadership and report suspicious emails denigrating our leadership in their efforts to make all of us the same, granting us generous healthcare rights. Think of this as a great opportunity to kill two birds with one stone, first we report (and eventually silence) those who would ask us to question the judgement of those chosen to be our betters, and second; if even a small percentage of these emails (from Nigerian diplomats requesting aid with monies) are real, there will be no need for tax increases on anyone!!. Add to this; (with the judgement of our leadership) we will truly know if those treatments in fact make our best friends “bigger and longer”!!. So as a staunch member of the ACORN/SEIU National Peoples WOrkers Alliance (I have my brown shirt and striped armband) I encourage all of your listeners to forward these hitherto unwanted emails to flag.whitehouse.gov and to their local ACORN/SEIU chapter. With all of your help we will end the hegemony of the ogliarchy, create a true equality (in terms of male equipment) and establish a new peoples workers national paradise where every day is a holiday and every meal a banquet!!
Would the the Republicans be THAT organized!! Since when??!! Pelosis comment started with ‘astroturf’ then went on to describe swastikas present at the Town Hall meetings. The nerve of our elected officials….
Please turn your outrage into action. Write to your congressional representatives. Tell them how much you resent being called a mob. Let them know that your anger is at least as real as that shown by the town hall protesters. Better yet, ask them to tell you when their next town hall meeting will be so you can show up and demonstrate the reality first hand.
Lets let the liberal elitists feel the ground shake. This is the beginning of an American-style insurrection. It may be ballots and not bullets but they need to know they ignore us at their own peril.
It is interesting how the wingnuts have adopted Leninist/communist tactics of disrupting meetings and preventing people from speaking rather than asking questions. I actully think it shines the light on them as a group whose arguments are so weak that they have to resort to tactics like this. Keep it up!
I’m not AstroTurf, I’m the real deal – a green shoot! Are you embarrassed yet? If you are not, you aren’t paying attention. I arrived in Washington the summer of 1994, six years into, “triangulation.” Federal appointees were a “freak show.” And Monica was only a year or so away from hitting her knees. The current crop is not a bit better. Tax cheats! Amoral relativists. Narcissists. Liars. Bumblers. Gaffe-ers. Mark my word, Sodom and Gomorrah are again loose on the banks of the Potomac! Shield the children!
This is how you bring the country together? Telling people to send in “fishy” e-mails or conversations to the Whitehouse. Let’s hope they get spammed till the server croaks. This will only outrage even more people, and cause many that at first kind of listened to Obama’s speeches on the campaign to re think their decision to vote for him.
Can not wait until the 2010 election to see the fallout from what has been already done in congress and the plans for other legislation.
Bill O’Reilly called it months ago. Obama has never had to face criticism and he doesn’t like it. He has always been ‘the fair-haired boy’. Welcome to the real world.
Neo-Neocon,
Try as you might to mislead, it ain’t workin.
It is as plain as can be to see the town hall shouters exactly as the are. A bunch of ignorant teabaggers who haven’t a clue.
Chanting, shouting, waving signs, drowning out anyone who disagrees with you.
You Americans have a strange idea of how to conduct town hall meetings.
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Just to show that we’re getting involved, maybe we should all send in reports containing content similar to ‘nothing to report yet, Massah’. Just to let Obambi know we are vigilant.
I haven’t been encouraged by any group to attend a protest but even if conservatives were a large part of the protesting – would that be something wrong? About 50% of the country IS conservative last time I checked. It’s a free country, where free speech is allowed by various people rather they are in a group or not. Or least it used to be.
Typical of our liberal kook-aid friends here to once again not see the forest for the trees. Keep it up friends. Label the citizens speaking out at their own townhalls if you want, make fun of them, call them names, say they were paid organizers, whatever…it’s now past the point of caring WHAT YOU THINK! The flame of discontent fanned by Obama, Pelosi, Boxer and the rest of the DNC that forgot they were ELECTED and not ANNOINTED is now growing out of their control.
Finally the people who didn’t drink the kook-aid are being heard and seen on the MSM! Let Pelosi and Obama try to silence them at their own peril.
The American citizens are finally awakening! God Bless the USA!
jharp,
Gee, when I grow up I hope I can be as smart as you. Do you know how to spell condescending?
I see neighbors and local business people at our Town Hall meetings. How many Town Hall meetings have you attended?
That anyone can defend these fascist tactics of scapegoating the opposition astounds me. Pelosi’s swastika comment is as evil a bit of political theater as I can recall. She is either abysmally stupid or more likely a reckless lying power mad shrew. I believe the 2010 elections must be closely monitored for election fraud as this gang seems intent on burying the Constitution and turn us into a failed state.
Well, all righty then – apparently all the irate citizens speaking out at townhall meetings about the proposed health-care legislation, and most effectively using the methods perfected by Alinsky et al are paid political puppets, and are just being plain ol’ mean to our hard-working political representatives, and that so hurts their feewings.
Get used to it. And BTW, if I am being paid by some nefarious right-wing organization for my activities in the local Tea Party, can you tell me where and to whom I turn in my time sheets for the last couple of months? Thanks.
17. AThinkingPerson:
“Keep it up friends. Label the citizens speaking out at their own townhalls if you want, make fun of them, call them names, say they were paid organizers, whatever…it’s now past the point of caring WHAT YOU THINK!”
Yeah, well, we thought the same thing when we were protesting the outrages of the last administration. Guess what. it didn’t change anything. Sure, we felt better about expressing our opinions. And we were roundly demonized by the right for doing so. Here’s just one example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXoDk2R0wew
But in the end it didn’t matter. Nor will it for you. So keep bleating if it makes you feel better, but know the truth. You whine. We vote. We win.
So when will O’Reilly offer the same opinion on current demonstrations as he did in the attached clip? Right after Sean Hannity gets waterboarded for charity. Empty, all of it, empty.
AThinkingPerson:
“Label the citizens speaking out at their own townhalls if you want, make fun of them, call them names, say they were paid organizers, whatever”
The republicans won’t even lay claim to the teabag protesters. Yes, you’ve become that much of a joke.
I’m sorry, but I guess I fail to see how the health care lobby bussing in senior citizens to town hall meetings so thay can disrupt constructive dialogue and threaten people will have any positive effect on anything.
If you’ll notice, the one thing missing from these meetings is any semblance of youth. The “protestors” are all a lot of angry, confused old people who are mostly just pissed off and sad that the times have changed, as they inevitably do, and the country has changed, as it inevitably does, and they are afraid that they will be marginalized and forgotten by the next generation.
And the GOP is only too happy to play into their fears, irresponsibly telling these seniors that a public health care option will force them to be euthanized. When it comes to scaring the holy bejeesus out of old people, I gotta hand it to the GOP – nobody does it better.
However, if killing health care reform was truly something Americans wanted, as the GOP maintains, you would think that they’d be able to rally some young people behind this issue, like the hundreds of thousands of young people who poured out onto the streets of every major city to protest the Iraq War.
But the truth is that this is all just the work of an anxious health care lobby, desperate to keep the status quo, exploiting senior citizens by filling their heads with horror stories about health care, paying to bus them to these townhalls, and then letting them loose to self destruct and have emotional breakdowns on camera, all in the name of good political theater.
They also appear to underestimate the extent by which they can manipulate citizens by condescendingly mouthing the same old partisan accusations.
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What does this last sentence in the article mean?
Very simply
You are “underestimating” the effect of some action to bring about a result, in this case “manipulate citizens”.
Therefore your methods are really more effective in achieving the outcome that you seek.
Therefore the writer of this article concludes his piece by telling Obama and the DNC that you should up the amps with this mode of attack on the citizens of America because you are really underetimating how affective this tactic can be in manipulating the citizens of America.
#23. If you’ll notice, the one thing missing from these meetings is any semblance of youth. The “protestors” are all a lot of angry, confused old people …”
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Well, you got the angry part right.
Those that go to the townhall meetings strictly to disrupt them probably are paid but by the dems.
We were told all through the presidential campaign how angry we Americans are. Why is this administration suddenly surprised now that we really are ?
I joined the tea parties for the same reason that many others have and that is simply that if you want your voice to be heard you have to use it more often than every couple of years on the first tuesday in november.
Besides local issues the tea parties I attend are pushing for term limits. That applies to republicans too.
Jharp, The Shadow make me proud of the brethren . . . I hope you both have your appropriate shirt color to go with the armband of the movement of the future, the comradship of the SEIU / ACORN. You’ll be proud on that day when we unfurl our banners and give rise to a the change our society must be brought to, a free society of equals, where none have more or less than others, and we need not aspire, because our betters have given us everything we need. “None too smart, rich, poor, no person with more (or less) than they need”!! Krasnaya Okttobre!!
#9 The Shadow:
“It is interesting how the wingnuts have adopted Leninist/communist tactics of disrupting meetings and preventing people from speaking rather than asking questions. I actully think it shines the light on them as a group whose arguments are so weak that they have to resort to tactics like this. Keep it up!
Aug 6, 2009 – 6:06 am”
Now this is the type of fishy comment the White House wants we citizen informers to report at flag@whitehouse.gov. I’m not going to report this stinky Shadow catfish though. There is a simply massive fish market of comments to report on the nutroots blogs, however. I have been doing my patriotic duty and reporting comments at Kos, Huffpost, TPM, Zandar the Stupid, and a passel more. Hope (and change) you will all do the same.
23. Graham L. wrote:
I’m sorry, but I guess I fail to see how the health care lobby bussing in senior citizens to town hall meetings so thay can disrupt constructive dialogue and threaten people will have any positive effect on anything.
Peter asks: So, are senior citizens being bussed to the grocery store also threatening and non-positive? Are senior citizens being bussed to casinos in Connecticut and Atlantic City being threatening and non-positive? Are senior citizens being bussed to shopping malls threatening and non-positive?
Ever occur to you that many seniors DO NOT DRIVE, and are therefor BUSSED everywhere???
What in the world do you think city and county senior services offices are for?
Meanwhile, the Dems are typically doing stuff like this;
(From the 7/30/2009 issue of the Foster’s Daily Democrat)
Hired goons not appreciated
To the editor: Reports of recent polls tell us that a large majority of Americans oppose Obamacare, preferring a revised health-care system that is not run by the federal government. Then, I ask, just who are these people who show up at rallies to voice support for Obamacare?
I think I found the answer last week.
On July 17, Americans all across the nation gathered at over 250 local Congressional offices to peacefully voice their objections to the Democrats’ health-care bill. I attended one such event with 40 other taxpayers, outside the offices of Rep. Carol Shea-Porter and Sen. Jeanne Shaheen in Dover.
We were immediately obstructed by a bunch of guys wearing purple SEIU (Service Employees International Union) T-shirts. They shouted and harassed us for the hour, refused to speak with us, and as soon as we left, they dispersed.
The next day at the Exeter Independence Festival, I noticed a familiar face delivering materials to Carol Shea-Porter’s tent — one of the purple-shirt guys from the day before. His car had a Massachusetts license plate. Later, I had a chance to speak with him. Yes, he recognized me. I learned that he is from Trinidad, he is not a citizen, and that he is paid to do this “volunteer” work.
Similar bands of SEIU “volunteers” were present at every New Hampshire rally location on July 17.
I wonder whose money is actually paying for these “volunteers?” And isn’t it a sad state of affairs that those who are supposed to represent us in serious issues such as our health and welfare — life and death decisions — appear to be associated with such an operation?
It was a shocking lesson.
jharp: I’ve become that much of a joke? Why? For protecting citizens rights to speak at their town hall to their ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES? Basically you’re advocating that citizens shut up and bend over then right? Take it like a good liberal right?
Why am I a joke to think it’s okay for citizens to use their right to FREE SPEECH?
Why is it okay for Obama’s kook-aid army to “get in people’s faces” but not anyone else?
The people who are a joke are liberals like yourself who are shown to be hypocrites.
Have you reported anybody to Dear Leader’s website yet today jharp? Isn’t that what he’s called his kook-aid army to do these days? You’ve got your liberal marching orders jharp. Why waste time showing your hypocrisy here?
Those purple shirts were not SEIU/ACORN genosse, they were paid mercenaries hired by republican reactionaries to cast incorrect aspersions as to our character and goals. We wear BROWN shirts, have armbands and have proper flags . . . those purple shirted ones do not reflect the movements true character as they are mere lackeys to be used up and cast aside as our reactionary class enemies become more and more desperate to prevent the eventuality of the dialectic. At least this web site allows properly politically educated persons to show true light on it’s (otherwise) biased reportage.
What exactly is the plan for illnesses that are totally life style caused, such as AIDS, alcohol and tobacco related illnesses, obesity, etc.? I can certainly see helping those who through no fault of their own have come down with illness, but those who squander their health on degeneracy should be held up as a good example of a bad example, to me that would be all they are good for.
AThinkingPerson:
“jharp: I’ve become that much of a joke? Why? For protecting citizens rights to speak at their town hall to their ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES?”
Yes, you and the teabagggers have become a joke. By shouting “socialized medicine”, “grandma is going to be euthanized”, and “destroying our health system” when anyone with a lick of sense knows to be false.
And have a bunch of ignorant rednecks shouting out at meetings for the sole purpose of disrupting the meeting ain’t protecting anyone’s right to free speech.
But by all means have at it. It’s nothing but another nail in the coffin of the GOP.
The popping sound you hear is irony meters exploding across America. The party of Soros, ACORN, the SEIU and HCAN bleating about astroturf? Puh-leez.
Take a look at the counter-protests. Which side is the one with the identical pre-printed signs, the chartered busses, the professional sound systems?
And which side is better-dressed, doesn’t use obscenities, and contains no hippie freakazoids?
The libs just don’t like a taste of there own medicine.
It’s *community organizing*, you see.
“However, if killing health care reform was truly something Americans wanted, as the GOP maintains, you would think that they’d be able to rally some young people behind this issue, like the hundreds of thousands of young people who poured out onto the streets of every major city to protest the Iraq War.”
The GOP can’t do anything right – even as Obama slips in the polls -and the wingnuts tout it all over town, they conveniently ignore that ALL OF THESE polls not only score high for “aspects” of “Obama’s plan,” – such as a public option and taxing the rich, but that Obama – even falling, is still FAR MORE trusted and liked than ANY GOP operative. That the GOP, shilling for the insurance industry (whom they treasure far more than the old dopes out screaming for them) is faking the protests is obvious – there’s a big difference between protesting and disrupting – but – and as usual – the GOP lowers the bar. They just better be prepared to be shouted down everywhere from now on…
I’ve put together talking points for people to use…send these to your representatives, the media, talk show host, the GOP headquarters demanding accountability for liberbal hypocrisy….
1- for six years from 2003 all we heard was “dissent was patriotic”, even shrillary was caught on tape screaming it….now all of a sudden dissent is no longer patriotic…
2- when loud mobs roamed the streets of New York city during the GOP convention in August/September of 2004, setting fires on 7th Avenue, destroying property and even beating a NYPD officer unconscious, none of the leaders from the rat-wing party spoke out about it- not even the two rat senators from New York, nor complained how dangerous it was, nor spoke out about the posters making GWB look like Hitler…..yet now they complain that no GOP lawmakers are speaking out against people loudly complaining at town hall meetings…
3- during a speech in Nevada last October is was obama himself who incited mob violence when speaking of McCain and McCain supporters by telling his followers “ I want you to argue with them and get in their face,”… yet no one in the criminal liberal media seems to remember this….
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/17/politics/p185733D40.DTL&type=politics#ixzz0NLzO5FQk
4) Jodie Evans, an obama bundler, member of his campaign finance committee and member of code pink charged the stage during John McCain’s acceptance speech in Minnesota last September.
please use the above talking points to e-mail congress, the senate, the media, during talk radio…better yet call the GOP media department and remind them of this and tell them to start fighting back!!!
33. jharp: “And have a bunch of ignorant rednecks shouting out at meetings for the sole purpose of disrupting the meeting ain’t protecting anyone’s right to free speech.”
Obviously they’re losing the battle of ideas, so they’re instead resorting to thuggish behavior to try and intimidate and frighten voters and elected officials, just like the Iranian government.
Why does the GOP hate democracy?
The only thing fake at those meetings was Pelosers face.
Wow, the trolls are just kind of going through the motions today, harping the same tired old stuff, not even making a real try at debate. Are they finally getting tired — or gasp! could it be that some of this factual information is getting through to them? Best be careful — y’all are going to catch conservative cooties. Next thing you know, you’ll be voting for Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich and wondering who the heck that person was back in 2009.
Hey, Peter the Bubblehead — every little story like that is another crack in the wall. Kudos to you.
Actually, jharp, it is free speech personified as perfected, by the way, by the left. For those who are actually paying attention, isn’t it interesting that these “paid for by the Republicans” are shouting just as loudly and hotly at REPUBLICAN representative town hall meetings? What is that all about? Silent No More!
The following website has a story depicting the two groups at Obama’s meeting in Wakarusa, Indiana on August 5th. The title is “Manufactured Anger – You Decide”.
http://www.wellscountyvoice.com/
The Democrat/Obama Mafia operatives are going on every comment board criticizing Americans giving voice to their first amendment rights.
The enemies list is being composed.
The retribution is being formulated.
The punishment shall begin.
Welcome to Totalitarianism. Thanks brainless libs.
9. The Shadow writes:
“I actully [sic] think it shines the light on them as a group whose arguments are so weak that they have to resort to tactics like this. Keep it up!”
..oh puh-leeez! We are just very frustrated with being ignored and abused by a government who does not listen and this started before The Boy King showed up. Think the litany ticked off in the DNC’s own offensive commercial and add immigration reform, the TARP bailouts, etc.
If you are serious about a cohesive discourse, then I suggest you and the Clown in the White House read this post over on Hot Air and come back to make reason arguments instead of classing us with communists/Leninists.
..and thanks, so long as The Boy King, congress, and the DNC are as tone-deaf on this issue as they have been, then we will keep it up.
jharp (#33): Just a few quick questions…Do you ever READ any of the legislation or are you just a kook-aid army g.i.? Do you ever THINK about issues before rubber-stamping anything Obama burps out of his mouth? By your inane comments where you call everyone names and offer nothing of value except Obama’s talking points the answer is a definitive NO.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news/economy/health_care_reform_obama.fortune/
Mobs, organized or impromptu, have been with us since Mesopotamia. They are a staple of political expression.
The left has had control of the MSM for quite some time and has been able to mobilize their forces to great affect while at the same time dampening down oppositional views. That’s just not true anymore with the advent of the internet.
All the name calling and empty rhetoric by trolls on this thread is more anger than thoughtful expression. Their status quo is in danger, you see.
The goal of the left is to delegitimize the right’s message. Thoughtful people will hear that message anyway and either agree, disagree, or think about it some more. The left, from the top on down, wants to influence those less thoughtful with broad strokes of the ad-hominem brush.
It would be more enlightening to lay out exactly what this health care proposal entails but that’s not happening for some reason.
Mobs, organized or impromptu, have been with us since Mesopotamia. They are a staple of political expression.
The left has had control of the MSM for quite some time and has been able to mobilize their forces to great affect while at the same time dampening down opposition. That’s just not true anymore with the advent of the internet.
All the name calling and empty rhetoric by Obama supporters on this thread is more anger than thoughtful expression. Their status quo is in danger, you see.
The goal of the left is to delegitimize the right’s message. Thoughtful people will hear that message anyway and either agree, disagree, or think about it some more. The left, from the top on down, wants to influence those less thoughtful with broad strokes of the ad-hominem brush.
It would be more enlightening to lay out exactly what this health care proposal entails but that’s not happening for some reason.
Where in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights or plain old statutory law does it say that there is something legally wrong in spending your money to transport folks to a townhall protest? Would some of you Lefties address this?
Where does it say that it is morally wrong?
Remember, townhalls are not elections. They are free and open gatherings. It is not at all clear that paying people to participate is morally wrong. Furthermore, paying people to participate is not bribing them if you are compensating them for income that they lose in attending; rather, you are making it possible for them to attend of their own free will.
Why is our Community Organizer-In-Chief against communities organizing?
Good luck. I’m sorry libs, but the stereotype of you guys being wimps, weenies, etc was one you earned. If you show up and try to intimidate real americans you are going to get your ass handed to you.
Oh yeah. PLEASE do not report me for spreading disinformation about Barry’s servicing of Tony Rezko while he was just a sweet face little lad…the disinformation is this. BO did NOT provided services other than taxpayer dollars to Tony Rezko. He did not get his knees dirty or do anything less than heterosexual! These are all dirty lies spread by the evil right wing monster billslayer!
billslayer: “Good luck. I’m sorry libs, but the stereotype of you guys being wimps, weenies, etc was one you earned. If you show up and try to intimidate real americans you are going to get your ass handed to you.”
Firstly, if you think all libs are weenies, apparently you’ve never gone up against the Teamsters.
Secondly, I would love for one of you morons to try and “hand someone’s ass to them”, preferably in front of a camera. That way, we’ll just have more documented evidence that the lot of you are just a bunch of anti-Democracy brownshirts who resort to violence and intimidation when an election doesn’t work out for you.
ACORN!!!
BOO!!!
#51
You write:
“Secondly, I would love for one of you morons to try and “hand someone’s ass to them”, preferably in front of a camera. That way, we’ll just have more documented evidence that the lot of you are just a bunch of anti-Democracy brownshirts who resort to violence and intimidation when an election doesn’t work out for you.”
Your response is exactly as expected. You do not reply as a person but as a media strategy. You have lost all sense of personhood. You are nothing more than the grease that covered Harold Loyd’s machines. If you do not recognize the name, google it.
When someone is offering to hand your ass to you, they are speaking as a person. They are saying “This is who I am and you have transgressed against me.” No one on the Left is capable of saying “This is who I am” to another person. It is not just cowardice. You folks have lost all concept of what it is to have integrity, to have personal space, to respect another. All you can imagine is erecting yet another machine to coerce real persons into acknowledging your existence. The phrase “existential loser” was created just for you.
I sent the following email to flag@whitehouse.gov, the website to report the politically incorrect to the Obama GESTAPO:
“I must report myself as one who is 100% opposed to socialized medicine, Cap and Trade, lack of transparency in government, endless and mindless taxation, non-payment of taxes by numerous presidential appointees, constant demonization of private enterprise, criminal organizations like ACORN, and spying on fellow citizens (this website).
Furthermore, I take every opportunity to criticize this administration and its policies to my two Senators (Bingaman, Udall) and my Representative (Heinrich), and anyone else that will listen.
As a result of turning myself in to the Thought Police, I fully expect to be audited by the IRS. Funny thing about that – I do not make enough money to make it worth their while!”
I included my name, address and home and office telephone numbers.
@ jharp, now and then, and any others here in favor of the current Health Care Reform legislation (if anyone actually knows what that is)
Please tell me how you can possibly think a piece of legislation is so good, when those writing it will not even subject themselves to it? If it were so good for the country and everyone, why do they not lead by example and subject themselves to it first to show us all how well it works?
AThinkingPerson:
“jharp (#33): Just a few quick questions…Do you ever READ any of the legislation ?”
Yes. I read it and study it. I’m still waiting for the republican plan to surface. Have you seen it? I even called the RNC yesterday and asked about it. The sent me to GOP.com. If you’d like a good laugh check out the site. And no health care proposal is posted.
“Do you ever THINK about issues before rubber-stamping anything Obama burps out of his mouth?”
Yes and I favor a single payer. But I’m going with the reform we’re about to get, not the one I wish we were getting.
billslayer:
“If you show up and try to intimidate real americans you are going to get your ass handed to you.”
Now we’ve got posters copying the ignorant Palin’s remarkably stupid comments.
Tell me, what is a real American? Do you mean poor, rural, ignorant, gun toting, Bible thumping white trash? Because that is what’s been showing up at the teabag parties.
The Left has broken through our defenses and is drinking deeply at the trough. Do you think they will now respond to your reasoned arguments and go away? Why? They don’t raise capital, they steal it. It will take more than a whiff of grapeshot to move them. Fasten your seatbelt and move your dining tray to the forward, upright position.
first off the teamsters aren’t going to show up unless they get paid. The folks in the article most likely paid their own way.
On a different note here’s an emailI rec’d from the boobama camp. I have forwarded it to flag@whitehouse.gov
I wanted to send you an urgent invitation to an important town hall with Rep. Frank Kratovil, Jr. tomorrow afternoon, Friday, August 7th. He’ll be talking to constituents and gathering feedback — this is an ideal opportunity to make sure your support for health insurance reform is seen and heard at exactly the right time.
Our congressional representatives are back home this month, and they’re facing more and more pressure from special interests on health insurance reform. It’s critical that we get out there and show them where we stand.
I hope you can join us.
What: Health Care Town Hall with
Rep. Frank Kratovil, Jr.
Where: 5585 Main St.
Rock Hall, MD 21661
When: Friday, August 7th
3:00 p.m. – 4:00 p.m.
Our representatives are under attack by Washington insiders, insurance companies, and well-financed special interests who don’t go a day without spreading lies and stirring up fear. We need to show that we’re sick and tired of it, and that we’re ready for real change, this year.
Please come to the Town Hall, and make sure that the most powerful voices in this debate are those calling for real reform, not angrily clamoring for the status quo.
RSVP here:
http://md.barackobama.com/RockHallTH
Thanks,
Jason
Jason Waskey
Maryland State Director
Organizing for America
P.S. — Before the event, please print off a flyer to display and make sure that your support is visible.
Paid for by Organizing for America, a project of the Democratic National Committee — 430 South Capitol Street SE, Washington, D.C. 20003. This communication is not authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee.
This email was sent to: mac.mcgovern@comcast.net
To unsubscribe, go to: http://my.barackobama.com/unsubscribe
Metz:
“Please tell me how you can possibly think a piece of legislation is so good, when those writing it will not even subject themselves to it?”
They are as subject to as any other citizen.
If they want to enroll in the public plan, they can, just like you.
And if they want to keep the insurance they have, they can, just like you.
Any other stupid questions?
JHARP & NORTHERN LIGHT
Seems to me that those who do their shouting and showing up at town hall meetings must have taken some pages from Obama’s play book. Although, they must have missed the pages that would tell them to show up on their doorsteps and demand! Like Obama and his cronies did with the bankers, when he wanted to push even more sub-prime mortgages to those who cannot afford them. Or when Rahm Emanueal sends letters to Republican representatives trying their ‘chicago bullying’.
If I was to opine, I would say that you both are the same ‘sheep’ that got Obama elected, with no clue of his background, and accepted with hook, line, and sinker his hope and change, a slogan so vague that anyone can put their own meaning and ideals towards. Never has Obama clearly explained what was the hope and change he campaigned.
Your raucious attacks against anyone who’s opinion goes against Obama’s ‘plan’ without any real facts shows the cowardice of your reality.
Free speech is guaranteed to anyone, not just those who support Obamas plan. Going to these town hall meetings and voicing your outrage is NOT anti-patriotic, it is one of the premises that makes our country a great place to be.
But, if you’d like us to follow Obama’s words, then we shall “…argue with them and get in their face,”.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/17/politics/p185733D40.DTL&type=politics#ixzz0NQtpdNEw
@jharp #56
Since you’ve read and studied the Bill, I would like to hear your thoughts on why you think it is good for the entire country, and those parts in it you find troubling and would like to see addressed further.
Personally, I don’t care how many “plans” are floated around, so long as there is one good one. And when it comes to something of the magnitude this is, I am unwilling to “settle” for something less than what it should be. Maybe that’s because I’m being asked to pay for it.
62. Metz:
@jharp #56
“Since you’ve read and studied the Bill, I would like to hear your thoughts on why you think it is good for the entire country, and those parts in it you find troubling and would like to see addressed further.”
I prefer a single payer. Yet this bill is very good as it provides competition to the insurance industry. Face the facts. Medicare works pretty darn good. You don’t hear any one wanting to do away with it, now do you?
“I am unwilling to “settle” for something less than what it should be.”
It’s not perfect by any means. Again I favor a single payer. And we all know that ain’t happening. A public plan is the next best thing.
“Maybe that’s because I’m being asked to pay for it.”
You are paying for our health care system now. Twice what the rest of world pays. For the same level of care.
What’s astounding are the pro Specter folks. Here’s a man who said at the now infamous Austin townhall meeting, ‘We need to rush this thing’ regarding the health care reform bill.
‘Rush this thing’? Hey Arlen, the Government hasn’t released the final version of the bill online yet!
You know, the one rewritten in the wee morning hours in July, just hours before it was brought to the floor for a vote? Whereas both concerned Republicans and Democrats were questioning its contents? It’s been rewritten again since that time as well!
‘Rush this thing.’ Over a trillion dollars, 220 + million lives hanging in the balance and you want to ‘rush this thing.’ What a dingleberry.
This is one of the elected officials who supposedly ‘do the will of the people’? Man, if that doesn’t frighten, make you angry, et al. I don’t know what does.
I commend the people who called out this wanna-be soothsayer. My townhall meeting’s the 25th and you bet yer *ss I’ll be there as well!
Graham:
“Obviously they’re losing the battle of ideas, so they’re instead resorting to thuggish behavior to try and intimidate and frighten voters and elected officials, just like the Iranian government.”
Yep, that’s exactly what the Democrats are doing.
Smell the fear….
HR615, how many politicians have signed up for the same plan they’re peddling? Oh, that’s right. Zero.
‘Government option’? To even discuss this rationally is beyond reproach. For me, it’s a sad day and age for this nation to entertain such a concept.
If it’s such a great plan, how many Government jobs have been generated with the stimulus money? Oh, that’s right. The same results of the HR615..
I never thought I’d see a day where music by the band ‘Rage Against the Machine’ EPITOMIZES the Democratic party. WAAAAAKE UUUUP! WAAAAKE UUUUP! WAAAAKE UUUUP! WAAAAAKE UUUUP!
59 Macko:
“Paid for by Organizing for America, a project of the Democratic National Committee ”
Love it! Oh, the hypocrisy!
Teabaggers yell “Kill Your Parents” at Monday’s Health Care town hall with Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-OH)”
“Kill your parents Steve,” was one chant that was yelled at Rep. Steve Driehaus as he entered his car.”
Classy group those teabaggers. By all means keep it up. It’s just more nails in the coffin of the GOP.
Bohemond:
“Smell the fear….”
I shaking in my shoes.
Let’s see. We have the White House(landslide), 60-40 Senate Majority, 256 – 178 House Majority, and are polling to win even more seats in 2010.
It is you whose goose is cooked. Cooked. It’s over.
And hey, we got another liberal Supreme Court Justice today!
I’m liking things a lot.
Trollys trying to scare people with rough-and-tough teamsters? And if some gun clinger threatens one of them, they go running to mommy.
These trolls don’t amuse any more. Bring me some new ones.
@63 jharp
So if I’m understanding you correctly, the only part you do not like is that it doesn’t replace the entire health industry with this plan. I’m sorry, but I do not share your belief that the government, especially today, has my best interests at heart. I should note that this is not a new belief, and is not just directed at the current administration.
As far a Medicare goes, I do think it is as obsolete as Social Security. I think both of these systems should have been phased out years ago. I doubt I’m alone in that belief. I don’t think you can eliminate it for everyone, but at some point in time a line needs to be drawn. This is exactly my fear with any governmental programs such as this, one, they are never very efficient, and two, they never go away.
As far as paying for it, a think a “surcharge” of 5% of my income qualifies me as having the tag “of having to pay for it”.
As a businessperson, I’ve always seen where those who do not have “any skin in the game” are the ones who typically do not act in a manner that is good for the whole, whereby those who do, typically take more ownership and act in a manner that is more beneficial. If this “reform” will bring the prosperity that is being illustrated by the proponents, is it not fair to assume that all will prosper in some fashion? And if that is true, why should not everyone “contribute” in some manner?
Everyone knows already, or will soon know, that the public option is just a way of getting to socialized medicine (i.e., the public is the only option). So the lines will be drawn very clearly, which is very good. It is also very good that the Democrats are panicking, and demonizing their opponents–they’re acting just like the leftist trolls on blogs like these! It’s hard to predict the electoral consequences, but the more the Democrats come across as snarling, undisciplined bullies, the less likely they will be able to destroy the country. The problem, no, is for the Republicans to avoid the temptation to come up with another “plan” or some “compromise,” and, instead, to start building support for a remaking of the medical profession, medical technology producers, the pharmaceutical industry, and insurance industry along market lines. That is, a transition from insurance supplied by employer to insurance purchased by individuals; and towards insurance as properly conceived, as protection against catastrophic events, with ordinary costs paid out of pocket. That’s the long trek for Republicans once we make socialized medicine impossible once and for all.
JHARP! my old buddy! STILL You have not answered my questions about the Obamessiahs previous incarnation as a provider of services other than merely graft and corruption related to “Big Daddy” Rezko. Buddy, I’m so glad you’re here! PLease Please Please tell me!
Oh yeah, about that white trash thing…yes, you are clearly a guy who looks like rachel maddow….
The Toad – Do you really think anyone really cares about what you think?
GRAHAM L:
Teamsters? Oh…you mean you’re going to bring the ENTIRE GLBT Comparative Literature dept?
Our Senators and Congress aren’t going to chose the new public option over their existing superior public option.
Too funny.
Why do that? Why take one public option that is better and replace it with a public option that is less? Their superior option isn’t going to go away because of competition from a tax funded public option made available to the masses.
Pretending that it’s the same thing, the same choice, as the concerns about how a public option would undermine private options is beyond lame.
Nor are assertions arguments.
Simply saying AGAIN that the availability of private insurance will not go away doesn’t make it so.
What will most likely happen is that vastly superior and vastly expensive private insurance will remain available for the rich and the rest of us will be gradually nudged into the public option creating a greater divide between the care available to rich and the middle class and poor.
And Grandma WILL be denied treatment, because rationing occurs in any and all systems.
And attempts to manage the compensation of doctors WILL result in a shortage of doctors because all rational human beings weigh compensation against aggravation when making career decisions.
The Dems want to claim that these town hall protesters are frauds so that when the election comes around the Dems can claim voter fraud when they lose big time! The only brown shirt types around are those that were carrying clubs at the Polls in PA last November…but hey, Nancy P. did not see them, o no she did not but she does see them at town hall meetings, mmmmh strange is it not!
We are not fools!
“These “Astroturfers” are already getting called out by the media and are derailing talk from the real issues which I think republicans really need to focus on right now. Like the birthers, this kind of attention isn’t needed – because if any health care reform passes, thats the end for republicans.”
Weaver, these ( health care, the Constitution, degree of government control of the economy) ARE the issues. While I understand why a Socialist such as you appear to be would object to a rational discourse on these issues, the issues them selves are NOT going away.
While Republicans may have surrendered, conservatives have NOT. If the mid-terms were held next week, the Democrats would lose Congress. Not that a Republican controlled Congress would be all that different. The removal of Fancy Nancy and Dirty Harry would make enough of a difference to stop this obscene Heath Care reform effort.
Let me ask you; WHAT is wrong with the current health care system? Nobody seems to know. We (taxpayers) are being asked to pony up trillions to fix what ain’t broke. That smells fishy to me. Makes me wonder what the real agenda is.
If you want a good bill leave the government provider out and make health insurance companies compete against each other as other insurance types must. Expand insurance company’s ability to provide coverage in all the states. Then you can mandate no dropping of people with expensive illnesses and preexisting conditions.
This bill is written so that no private insurance company can improve their coverage. How does that make competition even possible? This is just a false front for a government takeover.
Even ABC News is pointing out the lie about those bussed in crowds.
ABC’s Steven Portnoy reports:
There were no lobbyist-funded buses in the parking lot of Mardela Middle and High School on Tuesday evening, and the hundreds of Eastern Maryland residents who packed the school’s auditorium loudly refuted the notion that their anger over the Democrats’ health care reform plans is “manufactured.”
“I went to school in this school,” a man named Bob told me. “I don’t see anyone in this room that isn’t from Mardela Springs right now.”
“We’ve been quiet too long,” said a woman named Joan.
They came to yell at their congressman, freshman Democratic Rep. Frank Kratovil, and they were surprised to hear that the “Congress in Your Corner” event to which they had been invited — by a robocall from Kratovil himself — was not to be a public airing of grievances, but instead an opportunity for private, one-on-one sessions with the freshman Democrat.
As the crowd grew, and began venting frustration over the fact they would only be meeting with the congressman behind closed doors, Kratovil’s aides suggested he switch to a town hall format.
The aides seemed nervous. Last week, someone hanged Kratovil in effigy outside his district office in Centreville, Maryland.
“I am here because I understand that I do represent you folks, okay?” Kratovil said, after entering the auditorium to applause. “The opinions that you folks have, I need to know. There are legitimate concerns.”
Just then, someone in the audience shouted back, “Our freedom is being taken from us!”
So jharp, I take it you don’t find mandatory end-of-life counseling even the slightest bit disturbing?
80. myth buster:
Description of the counseling to which you refer begins on page 425 of the health care bill, available here.
Please identify the aspect of this counseling you find disturbing. It will help if you refer to specific section numbers and text. Thanks.
I wonder if these “real” Americans are protesting at town halls?
http://bravenewfilms.org/
55. Metz:
“Please tell me how you can possibly think a piece of legislation is so good, when those writing it will not even subject themselves to it?”
Tell me how a Republican Congress can send off 5,000 sons and daughters off to die in Iraq and not send their own kids. Cuz they can, I guess. ain’t that right?
Obama was voted in with only 50% of the registered voters of this country voting and with lets give him 54% of that 50% that works out to 27% of the registered voters in the country, so he and other democrats might just find that after p!ssing off over 50% of the country that in 2010 the democrats will be booted out and I as one of the newly registered voters will actually vote and rid this notion of socialism for my country.
If you are registered to vote then be careful in whom you vote for and if not then please register there is plenty of time. Tell everyone you know that is mad about what is going on to do the same and in 2010 smash the democrats hard and bring sanity back to governing this country.
If you join a tea party to express your dissent about a governement initiative you never asked for, you get branded as a mobster. In psychology, this is known as projection. Who is yelling “Astroturf”, anyway?
Let’s not push harder than necessary: Zealots are capable of melting from their self-generated heat.
Don’t you like it when a chameleon reveals its true colors?
I think the Left really believes these protesters are astroturfers. After all, we all know there is really no such thing as REAL grassroots protests. It MUST be manufactured… just like we do.
One last word . . . reconciliation.
82. Now and Then:
I watched your little Move On Dot org clip and while it is distressing there are more than one private insurance companies in this country. Perhaps a catastrophic health care policy would suffice since a simple cafe type policy will only cover certain health conditions under the terms of the policy. This means READ THE fine print before you take out a policy and know what you are getting and what it covers.
You seem to miss the point of insurance altogether which is that no matter what it covers they must make a profit or go out of business at which point no one gets anything no matter how much they paid.
An automobile insurance policy will vary in cost given certain criteria given your age and driving record. A life policy will hope that you reach a certain age due to certain criteria and the policy will vary, and so on. So in this case was the care even provided as per the fine print? If not then it will not be paid for and while it might be sad it is a reality, life is not necessarily the way you wish it to be but instead the way that it is, and you can not force your ideas of fairness on reality.
Now and Then: I Doubt it. Wow, you guys sure hate it when you get called on being lesser than real americans because you’re a wimpy effeminate liberal! Sucks to be you…
@82 Now and Then
Am I to assume from your post that you somehow feel it is justified that Stephen Helmsley lose a fortune he spent a lifetime acquiring so that Isabella can afford her tube feedings? And that because she has the misfortune to have a disability that somehow that makes her more of a “real” American?
Sorry, but you need to help me understand the point you’re trying to make.
@83 Now and Then
Oh, the only thing missing from your post was the “nah nah nah” and you sticking your tongue out at me.
You, and those like you on both sides of the aisle, are really the biggest problem facing this country. You think you are justified in doing anything “because they did _________” (fill in the blanks with whatever suits you). This is like having a conversation with my kids.
It’s this type of nonsensical thinking that needs to stop. Just because the side you’re on, and I don’t care which side that is, came up with an idea, it does not make it right. And conversely, just because the other side came up with it, does not make it wrong.
91 Metz . . .
Why would I educate you when your ignorance provides such useful truth?
90. billslayer:
“you’re a wimpy effeminate liberal!”
Tell me, is it bill slayer or bill’s layer?
@93 Now and Then
Here again, arguing with my kids. When you’re ready to have an intelligent, adult conversation, let me know.
jharp:
You know damn well that the “public option” is not meant to “compete” with private insurance. It’s intent is to replace it. You also know damned well that this health care bill is intended to evolve into single payer.
Stop lying.
82. blarty
The wording sounds great. You can choose whatever type of care you like to live out your final days. The scary part is that the treatment you receive will be decided by a doctor and “approved” by the health commisioner. The doctor needs to comply with the standards included in the bill or be fined for the first offense and jailed for the second. Last I saw the standards didn’t exist yet. Perhaps you can direct me to the section that provides those standards.
The comments of the trolls clearly show why this will not end well. Despite liberal protestations, America seems intent on becoming something akin to Venezuela, Zimbabwe or Iran Lite. Perhaps not as extreme but not unlike any of the three, the jharps among us aspire to this. I’m not sure if we will have elections in 2010 or not. While more and more people are very angry and that does not bode well for the present crop of self servers in office ACORN can’t allow any more “change” to occur. I am more and more convinced that there may well be civil war before 2012. And, frankly, it is probably close to time to finally settle all this and see if America as founded will survive or whether it will continue down the Democrat party path and become another despotic and oligarchic socialist failure. Interesting times. I’m mobile myself, single, sans family ties, and have very little reason to stay. I can do nicely without the pittance I receive from Social Security (though rest assured that I will milk it as long as I can) and I have contingency plans. Do you? Or will you, in the end, realize you are “locked in” by circumstances and ties you can’t control and just lament what might have been as you grab your ankles and discover what “soft” slavery is all about?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/08/unions_to_counter_town_hall_te.html
Teamster call to arms
I feel sorry for some of these people. They’re inspired by multi-millionaires like Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh who will flat out lie to them and will never ever have to worry about healthcare. And then there are organizations like Freedom Works who pretend to be grassroots organization yet are led by the likes of Dick Armey. Ah well. Most of them will be dead in a few years anyway. They’ll be as extinct as the dinosaurs and the GOPosaurus.
What is it with jharp and his obsession with teabagging?
Not getting enough gay porn?
“Let me ask you; WHAT is wrong with the current health care system?”
Easy question. It’s too expensive.
We are paying twice what the rest of world pays, for the same level of care.
81. myth buster:
“So jharp, I take it you don’t find mandatory end-of-life counseling even the slightest bit disturbing?”
It isn’t mandatory, liar.
“Tell me how a Republican Congress can send off 5,000 sons and daughters off to die in Iraq and not send their own kids. Cuz they can, I guess. ain’t that right?”
Ah, the “chickenhawk” argument.
I know the Democrats are still smarting over this, but slavery is no longer legal in the U.S. Also, I know you probably try to avoid facts, but the U.S. currently has an all-volunteer military. Put together, that means that those sons and daughters have the option of whether or not to serve in the military.
And, I’d like to say that your implied suggestion that President Obama send Malia and Sasha to fight in Afghanistan to be reprehensible (since he should “send” his own children to fight, correct?). I’ll assume that you are equally disgusted with former President Clinton for not forcing Chelsea to serve in the military when we invaded the Balkans.
And, speaking of Chelsea, I’m reminded that the authorization of force was not supported by just Republicans. For you to suggest it was proves that you’re just a partisan hack, unwilling to present a reasonable argument. Like most liberals, you’re just skewing facts to support your preordained conclusion.
billslayer:
JHARP! my old buddy! STILL You have not answered my questions about the Obamessiahs previous incarnation as a provider of services other than merely graft and corruption related to “Big Daddy” Rezko.
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Take another toke off the bong and try again to ask me your question in English. I’d be happy to answer.
I answered your last question that I don’t think any one person should set policy. You know, kind of like the Constitution says, three co equal branched of government, checks and balances, and stuff like that.
Serious question, did you take Civics in the 7th grade? It explained it quite simply.
God Bless Michelle Malkin for compiling pictures of what “real” grassroots protesters look like. Enjoy (I sure did)!
http://michellemalkin.com/
30% of Americans on anti-depressants, 30% addicted to alcohol/drugs, 30% obese, that leaves about 10% of us (who are still working) paying for the 90% who refuse to take care of their own bodies. We don’t have a health care crisis, we have a irresponsibility crisis. Hell NO !!!!
All you lefties seem pretty smug and self-satisfied at the moment. And why not? “You Won”, after all.
I’d just like to point out that I once saw a video of an interview with a Soviet KGB defector. I can’t find it now, but here is a transcript:
Yuri Bezmenov on demoralization
Among other things, he says that the useful idiots who are the early supporters of Marxism will be the first ones to be liquidated once they consolidate their power.
But I’m sure your God, Obama, would never do such a thing to you.
Or would he?
Sleep tight.
All class moderator. You are all class. Simply take my posts down. No need to publish anything that completely disarms the wingnuts.
Notanonymous:
jharp:
You know damn well that the “public option” is not meant to “compete” with private insurance. It’s intent is to replace it. You also know damned well that this health care bill is intended to evolve into single payer.
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No, I don’t know damn well thet the public option is to replace private insurance. The reason being it is false.
Look around, please. For God’s sake, the rest of the world uses a similar model and spends half of we spend. For the same level of care.
My apologies to the moderator. I am sorry.
For whatever reason my posts reappeared.
No hard feelings. I hope. I was wrong.
Now & Then: ‘Tell me how a Republican Congress can send off 5,000 sons and daughters off to die in Iraq and not send their own kids.’
Being prior military, which you obviously are not will never come to terms nor understand.
I have a friend, married family man who’s going on his 3rd Tour. I asked him his reasoning, he’d told me if he stayed stateside he’d only be doing drills, exercises, mock simulations for such a situation.
Before you or others speak of his naivete or lacking intelligence, stop right there. He holds down degrees in Chem, Physics and is now pursuing a BS in Meteorology.
He’s proud of what he does, who he is, and the men and women, NOT CHILDREN he serves with here and abroad.
He’s one of thousands, tens of thousands in the Marine Corps who needn’t ask for your pity or questioning. Ever.
BTW, there are plenty of soldiers who are sons and daughters of city councilmen, councilwomen, police officers, fire officers, court baliffs, et al. You know, the true backbone of America. Not these bureaucratic wastes of space pretending authority, justice.
The true backbone of America are the folks I’d spoken of in a positive light. It’s too bad many are myopic in their reasoning to think otherwise.
In order to maintain peace one must be prepared to go to war. I believe Obama’s getting a crash course in this regard.
Jharp: no worries. You are always wrong.
Anyone that does not believe this to be a truly grass-roots effort, I suggest they google 9/12/09 march on Washington.
If the White House wants to get info emailed to them, I think we should all do our patriotic duty and forward (via email) any and all articles we see re: National Health Care Plan to flag@whitehouse.gov. We all know how the media distorts the news, so how are we (simple humans) to know which information is incorrect? I think we should assume that it is all “fishy”, and forward whatever we read or find.
“…the rest of the world uses a similar model and spends half of we spend. For the same level of care.”
The rest of the world sends those with the private funds and difficult medical conditions to the United States for rare surgeries and treatments that the common folk in those countries do not get. (Though, if you’re from Canada and can drive, you don’t have to be quite as wealthy.)
“We are paying twice what the rest of world pays, for the same level of care.”
Aug 6, 2009 – 6:00 pm
Ah, but that, jharp, is the fundamental lie you will never admit. Your dishonesty is palpable, but fully expected. That’s simply what you bast&*rds do. We have come to expect it and that is why we pay no attention to what you say.
jharp @ 13:
Read the new comments poicy. I am flagging this as offensive. The description of “teabagging” is obscene. Please:
You are not being relevant to the comment.
Brain Trust @ 42:
Bang on! What will be the Cloward-Piven (“Wag The Dog”) crisis that strips our civil liberties? That The 0bamanation is a pathogogical narcissist and cannot abide criticism is becoming more and more plain by the day.
The Toad @ 54:
I’ll see you at their townhalls, should they be brave enough to have them.
To JHARP & NORTHERN LIGHT & the other trolls who continually show up here disrupting the conversation, why? Do you think that you will change my mind? Or do you get paid to do this? Or are you a script kiddy living at momma’s and leeching off the adults?
My advice to others on the threads – Don’t engage these folks. They are just dishonest and most likely astroturfers sent by their masters.
The Dems no longer have a media monopoly, so this charge of “astroturfing” will hopefully blow up in their faces, much like the Dan Rather forged document… how can we, the pajamahadeen, make this happen?
“The Dems no longer have a media monopoly, so this charge of “astroturfing” will hopefully blow up in their faces, much like the Dan Rather forged document… how can we, the pajamahadeen, make this happen?”
For now, just keep letting them bluster–repeat 1,000 times every clip of a Democratic leader complaining about swastikas and “astroturfing”; make videos parodying them doing so in various ways; make videos juxtaposing Democratic claims about the protesters with shots of the protesters themselves and–to drive the point home–shots of the anti-war and other protesters (truly crazy and truly backed by astoturfers like Soros, ACORN, et al). A genuinely small government conservative politician can afford to look silly occasionally, because they’re not claiming the right and ability to run our entire lives. But for the current crop of Democrats, looking panicky and ridiculous is a political death sentence–they can’t make a single coherent, honest claim, but they want to run everything?
Good morning, Comrad Obama!
Oh, and flood the White House’s “snitch line” with, for example, lots of examples of Obama and the Democrat’s own “fishy” claims about health care.
Didn’t something like this happen in Iran in the recent past? The party in power and the media covered everything up just like they’re doing here, now! But, what government will condemn this action? Apparently not ours!
jharp: So, what are your kook-aid army marching orders for the day? Report all “fishy” comments to headquarters? Join union members to stop citizens from speaking at town halls? Talk to any MSM outlets with a camera and tell them that YES, Nancy Pelosi DOES need 3 fancy private jets?
So much to do for a kook-aid army GI. Get started jharp!
97. macko:
Nothing about the counseling is mandatory. The purpose of that section is to ensure that Medicare will pay for VOLUNTARY advance care planning every five years (but not more often than that unless there is a “significant change in the health condition of the individual).
Advance care planning is a valuable service that people who can afford it are happy to pay for. The counseling provides information about living wills, durable power of attorney, and what one’s CHOICE is regarding end-of-life care.
There are no shadowy undefined standards lurking out there. It’s very straightforward. The provision regarding advance care planning is a good thing. It will help lower-income people obtain an important service.
Re #124 Blarty and #97 macko: Why allow a kook-aid army member to disseminate Obama’s health care plan information macko? Blarty has proven himself to be an Obama mouthpiece.
Here’s a link with actual parts of Obama’s “end-of-life” plan for you to decide for yourself without the liberal filter just what is hiding in this disaster.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104719
125. AThinkingPerson:
Note that the relevant text contradicts WND’s characterization of it. “Explain” does not mean “recommend.”
But yes, let’s eliminate the filters. The full text of the bill is here. The relevant section begins on page 425. Read and decide for yourself.
AThinkingPerson:
He avoided the question like I knew he would.
The last I saw the standards that the health commisioner(czar) was going to rule by had not yet been created. Regardless the czar decides your treatment not you.
Unless someone can show me different I believe the health commisioner could decide whether or not you deserve the hospice, hospital, homecare or the old “sorry granny but we’re going to have to put you down”.
125. AThinkingPerson:
Oh please. Wing Nut Daily is hardly a credible source. I’ve read the actual bill and the part in question. It’s common sense advice for the terminally ill and elderly and says nothing about euthanasia.
“Leninist/communist tactics of disrupting meetings and preventing people from speaking rather than asking questions.”
You mean like the Lefties have done for at least the last 40-50 years?
“The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today called attempts by some opponents of health care reform to bring Nazi imagery into the debate, “outrageous, deeply offensive and inappropriate” and condemned remarks by talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, who compared President Obama’s health care logo to a swastika, and policies championed by the Democratic Party to those of the Nazis.
“Regardless of the political differences and the substantive differences in the debate over health care, the use of Nazi symbolism is outrageous, offensive and inappropriate,” said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor. “Americans should be able to disagree on the issues without coloring it with Nazi imagery and comparisons to Hitler. This is not where the debate should be at all.”
Strange, that I never saw the left-wing ADL complain about years of Bush/Hitler signs at protest. There are so many left-wing organizations in America it is scary. PETA, ELF, ALF, New Black Panthers, NAACLP, Code Pink, Moveon.org, and ACLU just to name a few. They all exist to bring down traditional America. From Walmart to the Boy Scouts.
This is soooo much fun to watch. The fools on the left just love the whip and aren’t smart enough to see that the purge of their ranks is the next act in this Obama Nazi Party stage show. After that, I guess the Super Obama Bandleader will start a war as an excuse to draft younger conservaties and stifle and stomp on the older ones. I’m keeping lots of snacks around and getting DVR. I want a good record of the end result of 40 years of letting the liberals in this country remain unconfronted. Yea, compromise and moving “to the center” has been fun to watch and we’re finally at the final act!!
have a nice rerun of history, oh ye who didn’t bother to study it.
Nazis? Professionals? Thugs? Storming. Storming? STORMING? was it something to do with Bastille Day?
What ever happened to DISTRACTIONS?
What’s missing, and would save ever so many billions, is if Americans could purchase dozens of safe, effective drugs over they counter like Mexicans can do.
In my own case, I believe this would make half my doctor visits unnecessary. While we are at it, if you need to take a drug for the rest of your life, you need a lifetime prescription.
Shadow,
Ol’ Abe didn’t so much as raise an eyebrow with all the Nazi imagery directed toward the Bush administration by your allies. Strange that. But chin up ol’ boy, they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.