The Cordoba House and the Myth of Cordoban ‘Ecumenism’
Imam Feisal Rauf, “founder and visionary” of the Cordoba Initiative, apparently sees the construction of a triumphal mosque within the 9/11 World Trade Center attack’s zone of destruction as a fulfillment of his vision for Islam in America. As Rauf stated in his 2004 What’s Right with Islam, a work limited to treacly Islamic propaganda:
For many centuries, Islam inspired a civilization that was particularly tolerant and pluralistic. … Great philosophers such as Maimonides were free to create their historic works within the pluralistic culture of Islam.
Rauf envisions this invented past as a model for the future “Sharia-compliant” America he desires.
Self-proclaimed “contrarian” Christopher Hitchens asserted his distaste for those in charge of the Cordoba Initiative, especially Rauf, characterizing the imam’s utterances about the 9/11 atrocities as “shady and creepy.” Yet even Hitchens upheld the Andalusian myth of Cordoba, calling it:
The site of an astonishing cultural synthesis, best associated with the names of Averroes ibn-Rushd and Moses Maimonides …
Hitchens gleaned this, apparently, from his reading of the pseudo-academic apologetics of María Rosa Menocal’s The Ornament of the World, which he insisted was “the finest recent book on the subject.”
Pace Hitchens’ uninformed praise, Menocal’s superficial hagiography ignores the mid-20th century studies of Evariste Levi-Provencal and Charles Emmanuel Dufourcq, and more recently Jane Gerber’s focused 1994 analysis debunking the “Golden Age” myth in Muslim Spain as:
[The] aristocratic bearing of a select class of courtiers and poets, [which consisted only of] garishly packaged … gilded moments.
Whitney Bodman, associate professor of comparative religion at Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary, has provided the most egregious misrepresentation of “Cordoban ecumenism.” He invoked it specifically to defend Imam Rauf’s GZM project and to condemn its opponents –who now represent 70% of both the U.S. and New York populations — for failing to understand “ … the difference between the Muslims of al-Qaeda and the Muslims of Cordoba.” Professor Bodman’s warped narrative was punctuated by the utterly ahistorical claim that the purported idyllic interfaith relations and glorious cultural symbiosis of Cordoba were abruptly terminated by the Spanish Catholic Inquisition:
The name “Cordoba House” is significant. It is named after the famed medieval Spanish city of Cordoba where philosophers, mystics, artisans and poets — Muslim, Christian, and Jewish — lived and shared together. … Its libraries were vast, and the translations of Arabic works into Latin changed Europe and Christianity forever. Among the resident luminaries were Maimonides, a noted Jewish intellectual, the poet Ibn Hazm, and Averroes, the Muslim philosopher and mystic. … With the coming of the Inquisition and Christian exclusivism, the brilliance of Cordoba faded, but its significance endures as a vibrant, inter-religious community.
Reinhart Dozy (1820-1883), the great Orientalist scholar and Islamophile, wrote a four volume magnum opus (published in 1861 and translated into English by Francis Griffin Stokes in 1913) titled Histoire des Musselmans d’Espagne (A History of the Muslims in Spain). Here is Dozy’s historical account of the mid-8th century “conversion” of a Cordoban cathedral to a mosque:
All the churches in that city [Cordoba] had been destroyed except the cathedral, dedicated to Saint Vincent, but the possession of this fane [church or temple] had been guaranteed by treaty. For several years the treaty was observed; but when the population of Cordova was increased by the arrival of Syrian Arabs [i.e., Muslims], the mosques did not provide sufficient accommodation for the newcomers, and the Syrians considered it would be well for them to adopt the plan which had been carried out at Damascus, Emesa [Homs], and other towns in their own country, of appropriating half of the cathedral and using it as a mosque. The [Muslim] Government having approved of the scheme, the Christians were compelled to hand over half of the edifice. This was clearly an act of spoliation, as well as an infraction of the treaty. Some years later, Abd-er Rahman I requested the Christians to sell him the other half. This they firmly refused to do, pointing out that if they did so they would not possess a single place of worship. Abd-er Rahman, however, insisted, and a bargain was struck by which the Christians ceded their cathedral.
Indeed by the end of the eighth century, the brutal Muslim jihad conquest of North Africa and of Andalusia had imposed rigorous Maliki jurisprudence (one of the four main Sunni schools of Islamic law) as the predominant school of Muslim law. Thus, as Evariste Lévi-Provençal (1894-1956) — the greatest modern scholar of Muslim Spain, whose Histoire de l’Espagne Musulmane remains a defining work — observed 75 years ago:
The Muslim Andalusian state thus appears from its earliest origins as the defender and champion of a jealous orthodoxy, more and more ossified in a blind respect for a rigid doctrine, suspecting and condemning in advance the least effort of rational speculation.
For example, the contemporary scholar J.M. Safran discusses an early codification of the rules of the marketplace (where Muslims and non-Muslims would be most likely to interact) written by al-Kinani (d. 901), a student of the Cordovan jurist Ibn Habib (d. 853) — “known as the scholar of Spain par excellence,” who was also one of the most ardent proponents of Maliki doctrine in Muslim Spain:
[The] problem arises of “the Jew or Christian who is discovered trying to blend with the Muslims by not wearing the riqā [cloth patch, which might be required to have an emblem of an ape for a Jew, or a pig for a Christian] or zunnār [belt].” Kinani’s insistence that Jews and Christians wear the distinguishing piece of cloth or belt required of them is an instance of a legally defined sartorial differentiation being reconfirmed. … His insistence may have had as much to do with concerns for ritual purity and food prohibitions as for the visible representation of social and political hierarchy, and it reinforced limits of intercommunal relations.
Notwithstanding Professor Bodman’s allusion, Ibn Hazm (d. 1064) was hardly just a Muslim “poet,” nor was he a paragon of ecumenism.
He was a viciously anti-Semitic Muslim theologian whose inflammatory writings helped incite the massive pogrom against the Jews of Granada which killed 4000, destroying the entire community in 1066. And Averroes — despite his “philosophical studies” — was also a traditionally bigoted Maliki jurist who rendered strong anti-infidel Sharia rulings and endorsed classical jihadism for the very same Almohads who eventually turned upon him.
Moreover, what Maimonides escaped in the 12th century — disguised as a Muslim — was nothing less than a full-blown Muslim Inquisition under the Muslim Almohads.
The jihad depredations of the Almohads (1130-1232) wreaked enormous destruction on both the Jewish and Christian populations in Spain and North Africa. This devastation — massacre, captivity, and forced conversion — was described by the Jewish chronicler Abraham Ibn Daud and the poet Abraham Ibn Ezra. Suspicious of the sincerity of the Jewish converts to Islam, Muslim “inquisitors” (antedating their Christian Spanish counterparts by three centuries) removed the children from such families, placing them in the care of Muslim educators.
Ibn Aqnin (1150-1220), a renowned philosopher and commentator born in Barcelona, also fled the Almohad persecutions with his family. He escaped, like Maimonides, to Fez. Living there as a crypto-Jew, he met Maimonides, and recorded his own poignant writings about the sufferings of the Jews under Almohad rule.
Ibn Aqnin wrote during the reign of Abu Yusuf al-Mansur (r. 1184-1199), four decades after the onset of the Almohad persecutions in 1140. Thus the Jews forcibly converted to Islam were already third-generation Muslims. Despite this, al-Mansur continued to impose restrictions upon them, which Ibn Aqnin chronicles.
Expanding upon Jane Gerber’s thesis about the “garish” myth of a “Golden Age,” the late Richard Fletcher (in his Moorish Spain) offered a fair assessment of interfaith relationships in Muslim Spain and his view of additional contemporary currents responsible for obfuscating that history:
The witness of those who lived through the horrors of the Berber conquest, of the Andalusian fitnah in the early eleventh century, of the Almoravid invasion — to mention only a few disruptive episodes — must give it [i.e., the roseate view of Muslim Spain] the lie.
The simple and verifiable historical truth is that Moorish Spain was more often a land of turmoil than it was of tranquility. … Tolerance? Ask the Jews of Granada who were massacred in 1066, or the Christians who were deported by the Almoravids to Morocco in 1126 (like the Moriscos five centuries later). … In the second half of the twentieth century a new agent of obfuscation makes its appearance: the guilt of the liberal conscience, which sees the evils of colonialism — assumed rather than demonstrated — foreshadowed in the Christian conquest of al-Andalus and the persecution of the Moriscos (but not, oddly, in the Moorish conquest and colonization). Stir the mix well together and issue it free to credulous academics and media persons throughout the western world. Then pour it generously over the truth … in the cultural conditions that prevail in the west today the past has to be marketed, and to be successfully marketed it has to be attractively packaged. Medieval Spain in a state of nature lacks wide appeal. Self-indulgent fantasies of glamour … do wonders for sharpening up its image. But Moorish Spain was not a tolerant and enlightened society even in its most cultivated epoch.
But far more alarming than the corrosive apologetics about medieval Muslim Spain are the expressed ideas and tangible behaviors of “moderate” Muslims actively promoting modern Spain’s re-Islamization.
For example, events surrounding the completion of the new Granada mosque were marked by celebratory announcements on July 10, 2003, of a “return of Islam to Spain.” At a conference entitled “Islam in Europe” that accompanied the opening of the mosque, disconcerting statements were made by European Muslim leaders. Specifically, the keynote speaker at this conference, Umar Ibrahim Vadillo, a Spanish Muslim leader, encouraged Muslims to cause an economic collapse of Western economies (by ceasing to use Western currencies and switching to gold dinars). The German Muslim leader Abu Bakr Rieger told Muslim attendees to avoid adapting their Islamic religious practices to accommodate European (i.e., Western Enlightenment?) values.
Writing in the immediate aftermath of the Madrid 2004 train bombings, Islamic scholar Mordechai Nisan discussed the contention by the “moderate” founder of the Institute of Islamic Education, M. Amir Ali, that medieval Spain had actually been “liberated” by Muslim forces, who “deposed its tyrants.” Nisan extrapolated this ahistorical narrative line, and pondered:
Reflecting on March 11 [2004] as Muslim terrorism killed 200 and wounded 1,400 in Madrid, one wonders whether one day this event will also not be commemorated as a liberating moment.
We must also ponder whether Imam Feisal Rauf, whose 2004 What’s Right with Islam was published and marketed in Muslim Malaysia as A Call to Prayer from the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Da’wah [Proselytization] From the Heart of America Post-9/11, considers the cataclysmic acts of jihad terrorism on 9/11 a similarly “liberating” occasion.






Cordoba tolerance: Indifel dhimmis would be allowed to live if they shut the heck up and submitted, islamists generously allowed them to live if they did so. Great model for interfaith understanding, left/libtards.
Dear Dr. Bones,
What percentage, would you guess, sir, of the billion Islamophalangitarian fiends in the world [1] are likely to worry about being banned by Bostom?
Healthy days.
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[1] As with beetles, so with Muzzies: Father Zeus *must* love ‘em, He makes so many of ‘em!
dont get fooled by those muslim lyers and betrayers. Europe where I still have to live is falling. And where can we, the U.S. loving minority of well educated, conservative europeans, go to, where will we be able to find shelter, where to continue a honorable, economically prosperous life, if not in the U.S.?
Your are Noah’s arche. Stand strong! God bless.
Go! Please!
The Park51 / “Cordoba Project” mosque / center / triumphal tower is, like the rest of Islam as presented to unknowledgeable eyes, an exercise in taqiyya. Muslims have little or no problem lying to the “unbeliever” for the advancement of their goals, as they believe us to harbor comparably aggressive intentions toward them. “Trust not the unbeliever” is one of their firmest maxims.
At some point, we’ll be compelled to recognize Islam for what it is. I pray daily that that point will come before we’re overrun and subjugated.
Iman shall die unfullfilled as the infedelity of his beliefs head towards hell..And may there shall they burn eternally. He is nothing more then a treacherous religious misguided person who has not the understanding of what real belief in God is about. He, as his followers have many sins to answer too, and as myself. Muslims will take the blunt of thier Radical Islamist Leaders. And die for naught also. It is sad, when the truth is amongst thier options..let it not be said,That muslims were not shown the word of the true God.. Thier inilation is upon thier own hands, as with thier demoic preachings.
Well,in the Islamic mind..both individual and collective…Cordoba is a symbol of Islamic triumphalism…and if the slumlord Imam didn’t intend to convey that mentality,he would have chosen another name altogether
People who know more about this than I do can, perhaps, answer this question: Has there ever been a Muslim state, and particularly an Arab Muslim state, that was genuinely pluralistic in our modern American sense, i.e. non-Muslims enjoyed equal civil and religious rights? Ever?
Indonesia came close in the 1970s.
Islam relies on the Dhimmi thesis: all non-Islamists must either convert or get killed, unless they are faithful “people of the Book” (bastard sons of Abraham, according to the Islamists). These may live as Dhimmis if they pay a periodic tax and agree to undergo Kristal Nachts whenever the local teenagers wish to have one.
BTW, the Spanish Inquisition was only Spain’s proof of fealty to the Vatican after kicking out the moors (and stupid Spaniards, the Jews as well!).
Why an Inquisition, you ask? Just doing what 800 years living under Islamic culture told them to do: celebrate through torture. Those 8 centuries explain a lot about the inability of Latin America to progress.
Islam, the scourge of civilization, planted its western capital of the grand Damascus Caliphate at Córdoba, planting the flag at the edge of their conquered world. Now it’s NYC.
That’s why it’s called Córdoba house.
Alex Bensky asked:
Has there ever been a Muslim state, and particularly an Arab Muslim state, that was genuinely pluralistic in our modern American sense, i.e. non-Muslims enjoyed equal civil and religious rights? Ever?
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”
Qur’an 9:3 “And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Pilgrimage is that Allah and His Messenger dissolve treaty obligations with the Pagans.”
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Qur’an 48:19 “He rewarded them with abundant spoils that they will capture. Allah has promised you much booty that you shall take, and He has made this easy for you.”
Qur’an 8:69 “So enjoy what you took as booty; the spoils are lawful and good.”
Ishaq:327 “Allah made booty lawful and good. He used it to incite the Muslims to unity of purpose. So enjoy what you have captured.”
Tabari IX:75 “He who holds fast to his religion, Judaism or Christianity, is not to be tempted from it. It is incumbent on them to pay the jizyah protection tax. For every adult, male or female, free or slave, one full denarius, or its value in al-ma’afir [fine cloth]. He who pays that to the Messenger has the protection of Allah and His Messenger, and he who holds back from it is the enemy of Allah and His Messenger.”
Bukhari:V4B52N276 “By Allah, we saw the Meccan women running, revealing their leg-bangles. So, we cried out, ‘The booty! O Muslims, the booty! Our Companions have become victorious. What are we waiting for? By Allah! We will go to the pagans and collect our share of the war booty.’”
Tabari VIII:38 “The Messenger divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.”
Qur’an 4:94 “Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah’s Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: ‘You are not a believer!’ Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty.”
Tabari VIII:142 “Whoever prays our prayer and turns to our Qiblah is a Muslim. Incumbent on whoever refuses is the payment of the jizyah tax.”
Tabari IX:86 “He orders you to give one fifth of Allah’s booty and pay the zakat tax. It is enjoined on the faithful from their land and property…. And don’t seduce the Jews or Christians for incumbent on them is to pay the jizyah protection tax. Allah’s Apostle dispersed his representatives to every land where Islam had entered to collect the zakat.”
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low.” [Another translation says:] “pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.”
Qur’an 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”
Qur’an 59:14 “The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell.”
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
Qur’an 5:73 “They are surely disbelievers who blaspheme and say: ‘God is one of three in the Trinity for there is no Ilah (God) except One, Allah. If they desist not from saying this (blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall them – the disbelievers will suffer a painful doom.”
Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an:8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.”
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer [Prayer of Fear] near Khaybar when it was still dark. He said, ‘Allahu-Akbar!’ [Allah is Greatest] Khaybar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a hostile nation to fight, then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned.’ Then the inhabitants came out running on their roads. The Prophet had their men killed; their children and woman were taken as captives.”
Bukhari:V9B87N127 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given the keys of eloquent speech and given victory with terror.’”
Qur’an:7:3 “Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them.”
Bukhari:V4B52N256 “The Prophet passed by and was asked whether it was permissible to attack infidels at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, ‘Their women and children are from them.’”
Tabari IX:69 “He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for those who disbelieve, we will fight them forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing them is a small matter to us.”
I’ll assume that was a rhetorical question, Alex.
Bukhari: V9B87N127 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been awarded victory by terror so the treasures of the earth are mine.’”
When will Mariam Rove stop by to explain how all these exerpts you list mis-interpreted or taken out of context.
Did these people miss-interpret their own religion?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/7.htm
Did these people take the words of their prophet out of context?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T7eQyah4qU
Does British Mullah Anjum Chaudri not understand the Koran?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4&feature=related
Could all of these people be misinformed about the founding of Islam and the commands of Allah?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfrIZ-Nm1e8
More videos and images can be found on YouTube and all over the internet.
How can so many muslims be confused about their own religion?
Alex, Prof. Bernard Lewis in his book, The Jews of Islam, had this to say on the subject,
” Traditional Islamic societies neither accorded such equality nor pretended they were so doing. Indeed, in the old order, this would have been regarded not as a merit but as a dereliction of duty. How could one accord the same treatment to those who follow the true faith and those who willfully reject it? “.
Hope that clears things up. MBY
Thank you Dr. Bostom for all the brilliant work and exhaustive research that you do to expose the threat we face from Islam and all those who follow the commands of Muhammad.
We need to have an informed public when it comes to what the Islamic texts actually say to combat this wicked ideology that is mainly a political ideology. We have as many Buddhists in United State as Muslims and I’ve never heard of any problem or public concerns in regards to Buddhism since as Americans we are tolerant to how our people worship God or seek a higher power to eternal salvation.
Sadly, this is not and should not be the case with Islam. Islam is at war with us and Obama supports them. Just look at the Ground Zero mosque, unfortunately, they could build it anywhere but there but they insist on that spot. Why? To save souls? NO. They want to make a political statement by commemorating the followers of Muhammad and their victory over us at Ground Zero. No more mosques. They are just facilities to help them wage their war to our destruction.
Stop being lied to about Islam. Your talk show hosts won’t help you. Begin by reading Islam 101 and you’ll know more about Islam than 99% of you fellow Americans. Here is the link –
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html
Just look at the Ground Zero mosque, unfortunately, they could build it anywhere but there but they insist on that spot. Why?
Exactly. To inspire jihadists and demoralize infidels. It is obvious to all but the terminally stupid left.
Sorry but this was a tough read even for a old world literature major who used to live in Madrid. Good stuff, but wow, I kept getting lost in the passages.
Not wishing to invoke Godwin’s Law, I still have to wonder if a certain German strong man with his bits of yellow cloth and virulent jew-hatred was a closet muslim.
Actually he was an atheistic but he was friend to the Mufti of Jerusalem and lamented Muslim defeat at Tours-Poitiers as he believed the Muslim faith would have made Germans invincible.
I’m up on my history but if something looks, walks and talks like a duck it might as well be a duck.
“Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of Arabs. When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the eighth century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the Battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. The Germanic peoples would have become heirs to that religion. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.
“Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking, ‘You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness….”5 (A. Speer, Inside the Third Reich, pp. 142-143)
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The European ‘ruling class’ is continuing the dreams of hitler…
Just so. Racially infused imperialism with a Moongod, and a prophet who’s all for it, leading the charge. Like Nazism or Communism, only “better”. To paraphrase the unnamed teutonic strongman, “I can’t believe someone hasn’t thought of this already!”
Hitler also believed he was the reincarnation of an Austrian knight. He may also have been a Druid and was influenced by cultists, some of whose ideas are similar to…well, can’t say…that’s off limits.
Sarrazin (funny name for a anti-Muslims) is back on the diatribes, but in the opposite he accuses Muslims to weaken the german genes pool
In the game of Life, it seems that Islam has been given a free pass to zoom about the world with impunity, and we watch in disbelief as the leaders of the world acquiesce to it’s demands. It is like having a narcissistic member of the family always directing the lives of those who can’t seem to stand up to them. The overpowering personality of a self absorbed prophet and Deity has trampled over the souls of far too many. It is about time that they were fired from directing the play. Hiding behind freedom of religion and minority status is a ploy used by a deceitful mind. Enough is enough.
Islam is a deceitful parasite on the mantra “freedom of religion”. We unquestionably accept this freedom.
But Islam is NOT a religion.
This is a quote from Eulogius, a Catholic priest living in 9th century Cordoba
You do not regard as provocation the destruction of churches, the hate directed towards the priests, and the fact that we pay a monthly tribute with great hardship? Death is more profitable for us than the laborious peril of such a deprived life . . . Who, among all the persecutors of the faithful, has assailed the church as cruelly as this abomination? Who has heaped up so much in subversion of the catholics as this unfortunate one? For no one of us may walk secure in their midst, no one is left in peace, no one may pass through their walls without being dishonored. Whenever the need for any ordinary thing compels us to go forth in public, when it is necessary to go out into the forum from our abodes for any household necessity, the moment they notice the symbols of our sacred order, they attack, as if madmen or fools, calling out derision; not to mention the daily mockery of children, for whom it is not enough to inflict verbal abuse and heap up shameful examples of scurrility, but who do not even refrain from pelting us with rocks from behind. Which reminds me of what they do as an insult to the holy sign. For when the psalmody schedule dictates that we give the signal to the faithful, and the approaching hour of prayer obliges us to make the customary indication, these liars, misled by superstition, listen intently to the clang of the reverberating metal and begin to exercise their tongues in every curse and obscenity. Therefore, not unsuitably are they cursed who, with such hate, direct their followers against the clergy. We are calumnied incessantly by them, and everywhere we suffer their ferocity for the sake of religion. Many of them judge us unworthy to touch their garments and curse to themselves if we approach too closely. They deem it pollution if we mix in any of their affairs.
Memoriale sanctorum 1.21 (PL 115:754-5; CSM 2:385-6). Cf., Indiculus luminosus 6-7 (PL 12 1:520-2; CSM 1:278-9)
Also, a layman named Alvaris wrote of an “unbearable tax” that weighed heavily on Christian necks, and about Muslims throwing rocks and dung at Christians during Christian funeral processions.
Indiculus luminosus 3 (PL 121:518 CSM 1:275)
Indiculus luminosus 6 (PL 121:521; CSM 1:278).
During their conquest of Cordoba, the Muslims destroyed all (or at least most, there is disagreement on this) of the churches except the Church of St. Vincent. Immediately, half of this church was appropriated for use by the conquering Muslim army. There were so many Arab immigrants to Cordoba in the first years following conquest, that only two generations later, the rest of the church was taken over by the Muslims. This was after “negotiations” (as if the Christians had any choice in the matter) where the Emir “graciously” promised that one of the churches outside the city that had previously been destroyed could be rebuilt. Not sure if it was or not, but less than 100 years later, another emir ordered all newly built churches destroyed (although not all of them were because the Muslim army was too busy elsewhere quashing the rebellions of those pesky Spaniards who didn’t appreciate the peace harmony and enlightenment the Muslims had brought to Spain). Two emirs in row considered killing all of the Christian men in the city and selling all the women into slavery because a few Christians were blaspheming Islam and simply beheading them apparently wasn’t enough of a deterrent to the remaining Christians.
Andrew Bostom is preaching to the converted. Those who believe in Muslim tolerance and imagine Islam is a peaceful religion will not be persuaded by simple reason and accurate history.
Moderates on the subject of Islam are the same people who in recent generations were moderates on the subject of communism. The specific enemy of America and democracy with whom they sympathize is secondary to the emotional and intellectual need to imagine themselves morally and intellectually superior to the common herd. Those who jeered at the notion that the Soviet Union was an evil empire now mock those who insist that Islam is an evil faith.
Rauf is not the immediate enemy. The enemy are are own political, academic and journalistic elites.
The state Department which opened the gates wide to Muslim immigration is the enemy. The universities who welcome full tuition paying Muslim students by the thousands are the enemy. Politicians like Mike Bloomberg (currently opposing an investigation into the financing of the Cordoba mosque) are the enemy.
The communists used to say that a capitalist will sell you the rope with which to hang him. Not so. Only the capitalist leadership.
Bostom, unfortunately, is not preaching to the converted. Just about every so called conservative talk show host is still out there misleading their listeners about how some fictive “moderate” form of Islam will or could be emerging, one that ignores all the Islamic texts and the commands of Muhammad, and save us. This will of course happen because our military, instead of fighting and killing them, will persuade them to become good little leftist liberals Bush/Obama style and smother them with kisses. That will never happen.
They never discuss what the texts teach nor what evil Muhammad committed. Whenever someone discusses Islam and does not discuss the Islamiic texts and what Muhammad said and did then there is no legitimate discussion. They reference lies by Muslim leaders(acts of taqiyya) as proof that there are Muslims out there who do not want to impose Sharia law upon us if possible. That is a flat out lie.
Wake up and stopped being lied to about Islam. Read their texts. I gave you a great link on my last post.
Most Americans, including conservative talk show hosts, enjoy a healthy sense of self-preservation. Only the political and intellectual elites twist themselves into knots to convince themselves and others that Islam is benign and Muslims aren’t a threat.
A talk show host, conservative or otherwise, wouldn’t have a career if he stated plainly that Islam is evil, Mohammed was a murdering, rapine brigand and Sharia is a pirates’ code.
There’s the deeper problem of welcoming Muslims to America. Criticising Islam offends the newfound civil rights of Muslim Americans who accord none to Christians, Jews, Hindus or Buddhists in the Islamic pigsties from whence they sprang.
An Indian or Israeli politician doesn’t dare criticize Islam or Muslims for fear of rioting by his own Musllim citizens. Politicians in Judenrein and Christianrein Muslim nations, meanwhile, can say anything they like about Jews and Christians without fear of repercussions.
And the situation will only get worse unless the Christian and Jewish elites are voted out of office and driven from the universities and government bureaucracies where they fester.
David, thanks for a great post.
Unfortunately, this situation will get exponentially worse until we stop ALL Muslim immigration and start deporting Muslims who follow Muhammad’s commands to wage eternal jihad and impose Sharia law upon us non believers. Obama supports the wicked Muhammad’s commands whether you think he is a Muslim or not.
I find your post MOST PRECISE.
You say:
“Moderates on the subject of Islam are the same people who in recent generations were moderates on the subject of communism. The specific enemy of America and democracy with whom they sympathize is secondary to the emotional and intellectual need to imagine themselves morally and intellectually superior to the common herd. Those who jeered at the notion that the Soviet Union was an evil empire now mock those who insist that Islam is an evil faith.”
And that is absolutely exact.
I can only add that there is a lot of hate hidden behind the “intellectual and moral superiority” camouflage:
the subversives and the elitists who help the jihadists actually hate the West with all their heart and DO gladly sell the future of the world to the muslim barbarians JUST for the sake of watching the Western culture…die.
They hate our culture, they hate our art, they hate every bit of the Tradition of the West.
The last one hundred years of barbarianism in the universities and in the media, in the arts and in the society are evident proof of this.
I’m glad you concur on my main point. However we part company regarding motive. Our political and intellectual elites don’t hate Western Civilization. On the contrary, they imagine they are its guardians, defending it from ignorant reactionaries like you and like me.
The elites are headquartered in the universities and in critical government bureaucracies like the State Department. Are you suggesting that Harvard, where dead languages and civilizations are studied, where ancient Greece and Rome live and breathe and where the finest mathematicians and scientists in the land pursue bleeding edge research is a nest of anti-Western vipers? Can’t be.
Do you really imagine that the State Department would hatch and implement policies inimical to the national interest? Indeed that it has done so consistently on every continent on this planet for at least fifty years? Impossible to believe.
You got it all wrong SZ.
No David, you are wrong this time. You underestimate the power of envy and hate along with the loss of rational thought caused by political correctness.
I thought it was obvious that I was being facetious, Samuel. These folks are indeed twisted.
Sorry, my last 24 hrs have been a tad busy.
I’d like to write a little note anyway.
The fact that the State Dept. is a nest of snakes cannot even be discussed seriously, the “Arabists” in fact control all our foreign policy moves with an iron fist… and Saudi Arabia acknowledges this with lavish gifts when they retire.
The “Harvard” argument would require a very long discussion about the actual policies of the elitists. They are pretty clever in hiding their hate, I agree on that, but they work hard to “deconstruct” the Western culture. You must not be fooled by the fact that they tend to transform the Western culture in the object of “archeological” studies and that this of course implies a lot of philological studies.
When I speak about the attack against the Western culture I mean that the leading philosophy of our “universities” is a mix of multiculturalism and nihilism: this is the main line of work to destroy the West.
Unluckily, I didn’t get it “all wrong” and I have a long and direct experience of the deadly cultural fight that is going on.
All this would of course require long discussions and painful analyses.
Don’t be fooled by the masks that the elitists and the subversives wear.
If they could, they would silence me and you in this split second.
There is a project afoot, and it’s not nice.
I was being facetious in my response, perhaps unfairly so.
My daughter ans son-in-law are freshly minted Harvard Phd.s, one in ancient Near East languages and civilizations and the other in biophysics. Both have been living on Harvard’s largesse for years which makes me an ingrate for criticizing the university.
It’s a big institution and hosts scholars with very divergent points of view. The mindset that predominates, however, is leftist and unhealthy. Harvard would be a better place if some of departments in the softer disciplines were shut down and their faculty forced to earn a living at something honest for a change.
As for the State Department, the less said the better. Suffice it that our diplomats, whom the left styles “wise men” not only didn’t see the imminent collapse of the Soviet Union but were making strategic concessions to the evil empire even as it imploded.
There is a wonderful scene in Bartelucci’s, “The Last Emperor” depicting the eviction from the Forbidden City of the eunuchs who dominated Chinese Imperial policy for centuries. The long line of the ousted castrati filing out, each holding the dessicated relics of his testes in a ceremonial box is priceless. Were it that we could witness a similar scene at Foggy Bottom.
How is it that among intellectuals and historians in the West, Islam’s long history of butchery, rape, plunder, and genocide, interrupted only by the briefest periods during which Muslims caught their breath and consolidated their loot, that Islam’s endless crimes of barbarity, backwardness, and cruelty are swept away and whitewashed in exchange for elevating those briefest interludes as Islam’s norm? Further, are intellectuals such as Hitchens actually suggesting that, despite the primitive backwardness rife across the entire Islamic world today, that it’s reasonable to expect that Islam’s “flowering” in the West will look more like their distorted gauzy view of Cordoba, than Islamic culture in, say, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or Iran??? After all, those are the Muslim epicenters foisting their Imams and paying for the mosques and supplying the Muslim worshippers into the West. If they are the bankers footing the bill and supplying the overflow population, what is more reasonable to expect? An 800 year old romantic fairytale, or the cold hard reality of the modern day nightmare. Why would the Islam those potentates fund and promulgate in the West look any different than the Islam they fund and promulgate in their hideous lairs today?
It strikes me as insane to imagine that Muslims will magically be any different in America than they are in Iran or Arabia.
And compare the forgiving and romantic take by those intellectuals on Islam to their take on Western and Christian history, where virtually no crime is ever forgotten, where every wart and transgression by the West, real or imagined, is endlessly examined and made the focus, where no flaw is ever forgiven. This is their take, despite the West’s long history of improvement, her colossal human, scientific and artistic accomplishment, her steady innovation and advancement.
So when viewing the West, our long track record of progress is viewed as the exception, and our periodic transgressions are viewed as the Norm. When they turn their gaze to Islam and Muslims, the positive exceptions are exaggerated into the norm, no matter how rare, and the long track record of retrogression is dismissed airily. So if Hitchens is to be believed, we are to accept the likelihood that in the case of Islam in the West, the exception is the rule, whereas in the West, the exceptions are the rule, and that the West has has much to learn from Islam. And what is more, Islam in the West will reveal itself as some glowing fairytale from “Once upon a time” no matter what the outward trends may say.
It strikes me as insane to imagine that Muslims will magically be any different in America than they are in Iran or Arabia.
Yes.
I also get impatient with all the historical back and forth as to wot Islam has or has not been.
20th, 21st century goings on in the name of Islam are enough for me.
Although we hope that the idea of America will subsume the inferior idea of Islam just as it has assimilated others before it. E Pluribus Unum and all that. Unfortunately, the all-knowing left, for reasons of their own, are trying desperately to unlevel the playing field and turn that notion on its head. Out of one, many.
Bill Whittle and Declaration Entertainment . . .it is time to consider producing an historic documentary challenging the delusions of tolerance Menocal and company portray of al-Andalus. At a time when 70% of the American population openly opposes Islamic triumphalism at Ground Zero, as well as taking advantage of the hundreds of thousands of patriotic individuals awakening to erased history, courtesy of Glenn Beck — it is safe to assume these individuals would be open to entertaining an important revealing history lesson about the repetitive nature of Islamic conquest and dhimmification, particularly of Andalusian Spain.
Update: The Mosque and the Glaciers
Trying to keep up with the news nowadays is like liberals/leftists/”progressives” trying to make sense of their lives and trying to fit themselves into their advertised profile of caring, generous, sensitive lovers of humanity and all things that live on God’s green Earth.
It’s nigh near impossible.
Of course, we should strike the word “God” from that last phrase since most libs/lefts/”progs” either don’t adhere to a belief in the Almighty or don’t believe that He was in any way a participant in making the United States of America the exceptional nation that it still is despite their efforts to alter that.
We should also qualify that concern for “all things living” since pre-born babies don’t count.
Nevertheless, let’s give a shot at keeping abreast of things going on in the world on two fronts, mosques and glaciers:
The Monster Mosque and Its Monstrous Supporters:
The extraordinarily contentious issue of whether Muslims should build a mosque 2 1/2 blocks from Ground Zero where almost nine years ago other Muslims destroyed the World Trade Center and, by downing those two iconic towers, destroyed 2,996 innocent lives, was brought to a head last week when those who oppose and those who support the mosque gathered to demonstrate their opposition or support.
Islam’s constitutional right to erect such an edifice has never disputed. Islam’s discretion and sensitivity toward the feelings of 9/11 survivors and loved ones and its sensitivities toward every New Yorker or American who died a little that day are the chief issues of contention.
At those Ground Zero rallies on August 22nd, 2010, the two opposing forces met, head to head, virtually mano-a-mano. . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1871)
But far more alarming than the corrosive apologetics about medieval Muslim Spain are the expressed ideas and tangible behaviors of “moderate” Muslims actively promoting modern Spain’s re-Islamization.
Doesn’t that go along with the notion that once the waqf is established, it can never be removed ? Which is why modern day Islamists still consider Andalusia their turf.
In real time…in my view, it is enough that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf (aka the New Jersey slumlord whose mosque financial guy is an ex-con who owes a huge amount on back taxes on the bldg.) calls the thoroughly vile al-Qaradawi among the most brilliant Islamic scholars alive today.
Or that Rauf (a self-described Sufi) writes glowingly of another Sufi, al Ghazali, in his book What’s Right With Islam ?
But to put to rest any notion that Sufism is necessarily synonymous with compassion, peace, tolerance and love read the words of al Ghazali perhaps the most revered Sufi master and jurist in Moslem history-a model of the true Moslem Sufi according to Rauf who praises Ghazali in his book What’s Right With Islam”…
“At its core, Islam is a religious mission to all humanity,” says Ghazali. “Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world. “We have sent you forth to all mankind” (Q. 34:28). If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call (da’wa) can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them. In Islam, peace requires that non-Muslims submit to the call of Islam, either by converting or by accepting the status of a religious minority (dhimmi) and paying the imposed poll tax, jizya. World peace, the final stage of the da’wa, is reached only with the conversion or submission of all mankind to Islam…Muslims believe that expansion through war is not aggression but a fulfillment of the Qur’anic command to spread Islam as a way to peace. The resort to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of “opening” the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur’an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, creating obstacles for the da’wa, are blamed for this state of war, for the da’wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. In other words, those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them. Only when Muslim power is weak is “temporary truce” (hudna) allowed (Islamic jurists differ on the definition of “temporary”)…..*”
Pretty much sums up the plan
When is Mass scheduled next at Hagia Sophia?
Probably when a service to the Aztec gods is scheduled at the temple squashed under the Metropolitan Cathedral in Mexico City.
Certainly, certainly.
We can go on fighting each other in the name of the past while the most barbaric military-political enterprise ever seen on the face of earth is chewing our Freedom.
But that is just what our enemies want.
We can talk about the mistakes of the past when we have secured the Freedom of our children.
And: are you sure you care about the Aztec “gods” ? They did drink a lot of blood…
I would personally care more about the Museum at Alexandria…
But not in the middle of a worldwide war against me and my family…
Like I said above:
“And compare the forgiving and romantic take by those intellectuals on Islam to their take on Western and Christian history, where virtually no crime is ever forgotten, where every wart and transgression by the West, real or imagined, is endlessly examined and made the focus, where no flaw is ever forgiven.”
It is this kind of insane moral relativism which dredges up half-millenium old barbarity by Western civilization to dismiss the ubiquitous Muslim barbarity of today.
If you even have an honest bone in your body, you must admit that those transgressions which can be laid at the feet of Christianity are examples of Christians running afoul of their foundational doctrine — whereas Muslims who terrorize and murder for the sake of spreading and protecting Islam are acting in the explicit direction of Islam.
What’s your quip to that?
Excellent point.
But the West would be safe if 85 % of the people would know what you are talking about.
Unluckily they don’t.
We have thrown ourselves down the pit of ignorance (the specific sin -AMARTIA- against Hagia Sophia, in fact) and now we are desperately trying to crawl up.
De profundis clamavi ad Te, Domine…
Even the fact that the word AMARTIA (…missing the mark…) has been translated in a strange way now does not help to defend the Tradition against the worldwide conquest…
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS
The West would be safe if 85 % of the people knew…
(Sorry, I was thinking in Latin and Greek, I got distracted)
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I understood. I’m still waiting for ‘cousins’ to be reconciled.
Islam is a ‘religion’ like “The Art of War” is an outline for ‘religion’.
A ‘religion’ that condones lying, cheating, murder, assault (wife beating) et al, isn’t a religion at all but a doctrine of despotism, tyranny and war.
If every word that emanates from the lips of a ‘believer’ is suspect of sincerity by virtue of it’s own doctrine from where does the conclusion that peace is a fundamental foundation come?
Islam means ‘submission’.
“Imam” Feisel Rauf said: “For many centuries, Islam inspired a civilization that was particularly tolerant and pluralistic. … Great philosophers such as Maimonides were free to create their historic works within the pluralistic culture of Islam.” Earth to the great(ly ignorant) Imam: Maimonides’ family was forced to flee Cordova[!] by the fanatical Almohades — it was either exile or conversion. The family chose exile. They initially settled in Morocco, posing as Moslems for their own safety. Indeed, it appears that Maimonides himself may have converted to Islam for a time. Things got too prickly for them though (when a good friend of Maimonides, Judah ibn Shoshan, was exectued for posing as a Moslem). Maimonides and his family had to flee once again, finally finding safe haven in Fostat, in Egypt where the ruler seemed to be a little more open and Maimonides’ services as a physician were needed. But be certain, they were dhimmi even in Egypt. So much for Moslem tolerance and liberality, my “dear Imam.”
In that regard, remember that at one time North Africa, the Near East and Asia Minor were Christian. They didn’t get the way they are today through voluntary conversions.
Both bubber @ 12 and Ruler4you at @ 20 are on to a point I have been making repeatedly on PJM. Islam is not a religion. It is an authortarian political ideology whose goal is world domination. It is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Beware.
Thanks for bringing up the true history of Miamonades, not many people know it. Even in many Jewish circles he is the poster boy for a supposed “Golden Age” of Muslim/Jewish/Christian tolerance and cultural creativity.
In addition to your facts, M’s father, a distinguished rabbi was asked by Morrocan Jews if it was permissable to pretend to convert to Islam to save their lives, as they were under the sword there. Later when he had succeded his father, M was asked the same question by the Yemenite Jews and replied with his famous “Letter to the Yemenite Jews” in which he says that in their persecution of Jews, Islam is worse than Christianity. (I would link to the letter but i am typing this on my phone & inserting URLS is tricky, but you can google it)
Taqiyya… of some Arabs and progressives, me thinks.
I know of no other religion (and this means religion, not a socio-political religion or cult) that issues fatwahs on it’s own followers; that has death as one of its tenets if one leaves that so-called religion. Remember when there was lots of cults in this country and all those guys who used to do the talk show circuit to tell the rest of us what has to be done to de-program cult followers? It is also important that we get it across to everyone who doesn’t seem to get it yet that Islam doesn’t have separation of church and state and that Islam is a fascist,misogynistic, evil and barbaric social organization fronting as a religion. Besides that, who in their right mind would want to live under Sharia law? Maybe a message of this sort would be good to go out in Christmas/holiday messages this year to all our friends and relatives that are still living on another plane although physically still on this planet.
And here may be the difference between the Cordoba of old and the New Cordoba of America and why we should question all of this chit chat about tolerance and learning and motive, etc.
“Seems to be true (http://www.nakbaonline.org/download/UNDP/EnglishVersion/Ar-Human-Dev-2002.pdf)(PDF):
The figures for translated books are also discouraging. The Arab world translates
about 330 books annually, one fifth of the number that Greece translates. The cumulative
total of translated books since the Caliph MaaÕmounÕs time (the ninth century) is about
100,000, almost the average that Spain translates in one year (Galal, S., 1999).”
The Muslims started their conquest of Spain in the year 7ll C.E. It took the Spaniards 800 years to get rid of them. All I can say is “Quick Henry, the Flit”.
Andrew, I have not read Rauf’s book but this quote you offered caught my attention-
” Great philosophers such as Maimonides were free to create their historic works within the pluralistic culture of Islam. ”
While Rauf is not worth my time I visit Maimonides often. Maimonides was born in Cordoba under the Caliphate.
His family had to flee Cordoba for their lives. Their crime? They were Jews.
Fortunately for us Maimonides himself left a written account that describes the conditions of Jews under the Arabs-
” God has hurled us in the midst of this people, the Arabs, who have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us…. Never did a nation molest, degrade,debase and hate us as much as they … ” .
That is the truth of Islamic Cordoba. A history Rauf wishes to whitewash. Only the ignorant believe him.
I just have one question…
Why do Muslims need a mosque on Ground Zero when there’s already one four blocks away, according to none other than NYC Mayor Bloomberg?
(Please forgive the self-referential link… I don’t do it very often, and it was the handiest link I had to that story.)
Should we even be calling Islam a religion?
Calling Islam a religion is rather absurd if you stop and think about it for a moment. A Chrysler has a transmission component to it but you don’t call a Chrysler a transmission; you call it a car. Likewise, Islam has a religious component to it, but with Islam the religious component is only one of many components [theological, political, social, judicial, military, etc], and NOT the most important component at all as the MOST important component can be summed up as DOMINATION OR ELSE, so Islam should properly be called a Totalitarian System, not a religion. This is so simple. It’s logic 101.
Nazism, another Totalitarian System, had a religious component to it too, albeit one arguably smaller than Islam, but I have never heard anyone call it a religion. Winston Churchill even equated Islam and Nazism, when in his book The Gathering Storm he equated Hitler’s Mein Kampf with Mohammad’s Koran. Religion is just a skirt, or burka if you will, that the Totalitarianism that is Islam hides it’s evil [women stonings, honor killings, gay hangings, 100 lashes, etc ad nauseam] behind. That skirt should be pulled off. Totalitarianism should not be allowed to hide behind religion.
Back in the 1800′s it was Southern culture, almost religion, to have human beings as property. Did those in the North say, “Hey it’s their culture, so we most be tolerant of it and any who are not tolerant of it are intolerant bigoted Southernophopes?” Of course they didn’t as they were intelligent enough and moral enough not to think that or say that. Why are so many so stupid and/or morally bereft today, such as the schlamiel Bloomberg, when it comes to tolerating Islam, which keeps woman as property, just to mention one of Islam’s hideous practices? Abraham Lincoln weeps. Martin Luther King weeps.
Islam is not a ‘Religion’ it’s a ‘cult’, it is what it is. Islam does not distinguish between Religion and Politics. It is one and the same.
Remember the ‘cults’ of the past? Jim Jones comes to mind. Once you were in, it was very hard to ‘get out’. For many the way out was death, as we know. Or How about the ‘gangs’ (cult) we now have? How easy is it to ‘get out’ of them?
It is very hard to ‘convert’, or leave once you are Islamic. It has been said you get the mark of death if you try. What kind of ‘Religion’ is this intolerant? I can convert to any religion I wish, without fear.
Is Islam/Muslum really ‘leading by example’ with ‘their own’ “intolerance”???
If the heads of the Islamic Cult came out more, much more, to TRUTHFULLY AND PASSIONTELY ‘DENOUNCE’ the radicals; Al Quidea, Taliban, Jjihad, Hezbola, and the suni wahhabi faction of this cult. I think it would put them in a much better light (maybe). I know of only one (courageous Woman) a Muslim leader in the Canadian Islamic Congress, who came on national TV (Fox) and denounced all of the above and does not believe the Mosque should be at ground zero – the ground Zero Imam and his cohorts ‘will not dennounce hezbola’, and in past writings he wrote about a one state solution to Israel/Palistine issue. What does that tell you about this Imam?
They are doing themselves a disservice by being so tight lipped and secretative. And in doing so, how are we suppose to know who is a righteous and peaceful Muslim and who is not? I have a friend who is from Turkey, a US citizen for many years. He is of the Muslim Faith and agrees with the above. He also is against the Mosque at Ground Zero.
I, as a person, and Americans have every right to be weary of such a cult that has been shown in such a dreadful, intolerant light. They have no tolerance for any other religion (especially Judao-Christian).
Does anyone ‘really believe’ any conflict in the Middle East would end if Israel was ‘blown off the face of the earth’? Suppose it was what then?
An interesting website is below, there is an interesting, controversial, yet very scarey write up under the Action Alert Tab on left then its the 2nd ‘red’ article about human rights. Controversial because Muslums disagree with the author Mark Styne of McLean’s Magazine and are trying to sue. It’s an old post but the sentiment is the same today.
http://www.canadianislamiccongress.com/ar/Report_on_Macleans_Journalism.pdf
The Muslims in Spain were, for the most part, a bunch of intolerant thugs, but they could only carry it so far, largely because they were unable to maintain political unity, and were constantly fighting amongst themselves, which cuts into your pogrom time.
My guess, speaking as an amateur historian with an interest in the period, would be that the Norman kingdom of Sicily was far more tolerant than the taifa emirates in Spain were during the same era (and definitely more tolerant than the Almoravid or Almohad dynasties, the latter being especially nasty). I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for liberals in academia to start extolling the virtues of a Christian political entity like the Kingdom of Sicily, however. If it ain’t foreign, they don’t think much of it. And, the more at odds a foreign entity (nation, culture, religion) is with the Judeo-Christian West, the more the lefties love it. You’ll hear a lot about how swell Cordoba was, you won’t hear diddly about Sicily.
One thing the Muslims did do though, and that’s bring prosperity to a lot of the places they conquered. It looks to me as if places like Muslim Spain and Muslim Sicily were comparatively rich, but not especially tolerant.
the reason the moslem stand to the GZM, is forceful,is the cramming, of Sharia, down the throat of America…
this act of outright hostility, shows to all that, that Isalm, is a political entity, masquerading as a religion…..
in all of moslemdom… Sharia politics, is paramount,followed by a religious aspect….that is why the GZM, MUST BE DEFEATED…
where-ever moslems reside, in western society, there is the concerted attempt to delegitmize western values, to be supplanted, by Sharia.. even demanding/intimidating..!!!
this deception/acquiecence,weakens the resolve, allowing for further encroachment.. with the final goal of complete subjugation, of America
Speaking of Islamic Spain, one of their capital crimes was religious conversion to Christianity if you were a Muslim. Note also that if your father was a Muslim, by Islamic law, you were one also whether or not you ever practiced the faith.
So, by the standards of Cordoba’s “tolerant Islam”, not only is Obama a Muslim, but an apostate facing capital punishment.
Its a fact they own and teach in their own ‘schools’ which are private and therefore can teach whatever they want, what exactly DO THEY TEACH THERE? Besides Islam/Sharia day in and day out… Overbearing?
I am sure they do not teach how to ‘assumulate’ into western sociey? Ok, maybe only to find weaknesses there. They consider their communities not as a community, but as a ‘corporation’ who the hell does that?
And creapier still, Why?
Look people, the “Anointed One” makes his chess move’s and us babbling humans need to realize that the unbelieving conspiracy “heathen” understate the issues when they say that Obama is a radical. Alas, they know not the secrets we are all going to witness. The “Anointed One” is amazing, he takes the people at the highly efficient Post Office and sends them right over to the Student Loan Program. The “Anointed One” knows all. Twitter messages were machine-gunned to cell phones at mach speed. Facebook and MySpace groups spread across the Internet like digital fire. YouTube videos featuring celebrities ricocheted across the globe and into college students’ in-boxes with devastating regularity. All the while, the Obama mega-money-raising engine whirred on at high speed, until the result became inevitable: an unthinking mass of young voters marched forward to elect the “Anointed One.”
I am not surprised to hear these stinking lies about our “Anointed One,” it should be apparent to anyone that this was coming down the pike. I do have a couple questions about future process steps concerning these developments? When the “Annointed One” decides to start bar-coding everyone, will we get to decide if the mark is on our hand or forehead? Allot of people will prefer the hand, (especially women of course), unless your a porn actress or something along those lines. Also, my girlfriend was wondering if the Administration will be getting fashion advice from Hollyweird or the New York City crowd? We are both agree that the Administration “Maoies” as the “Anointed One ” so lovingly calls them,will be getting uniforms similar to the SS uniforms in Germany in WW2. With big letters abreviating “Barack’s Socialists.” So shall we start calling them the BS?
My guess is that in Arabic “Cordoba House” will be called: “The Shrine of the 19 Martyrs”.
And that Rauf will write a special blessing for the dedication cerimony: “O blessed Holy Warrior Atta, you took down the looming tower of the infidels and raised a mosque in its place!”
“Imam Faisal ‘Abd Al-Rauf’s book What’s Right with Islam: A New Vision for Muslims and the West was published in Indonesian in 2007 with a different title – Seruan Azan Dari Puing WTC: Dakwah Islam di Jantung Amerika Pasca 9/11 (“The Call of Azan from the Rubble of the World Trade Center: Islamic Da’wa in the Heart of America Post-9/11″).
“The azan is the muezzin’s call to prayer. It consists of a number of sentences repeated several times: “Allahu Akbar,” the Shahada (la ilaha illa Allah wa-Muhammad rasoul Allah – “There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger”) and the phrase “Gather for prayer.” It is noteworthy that, in the period of Muslim conquests in the first centuries of Islam, this call was made from newly conquered sites.”
Source: MEMRI, August 23, 2010
Islam isn’t a religion, but a dominating theopolitical system masquerading as a religion and is based on the cultural supremacy of the Arabs. It is to be placed in the scorned and reviled vine along with Nazism and communism.
And yes, I’m being harsh. In fact, we all should be harsh toward Islam.
Okay! Is there hope this mutilation of our land will be stopped? Is there any warriors that will stand up to the codependent Jackbuts in control? Can’t someone prove the Bloomberg has financial interests in Muslim areas that causes him to be a sell out? Cannot someone go after him too?
What a shame you don’t have an edit button so we can correct our errors.
god = jesus please save the u. s.