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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-civil-liberties-vs-security-conundrum/#comment-133470</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great article from Dr. Miller. His years consulting to the justice department give us a window to the inside that we would otherwise never have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great article from Dr. Miller. His years consulting to the justice department give us a window to the inside that we would otherwise never have.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-civil-liberties-vs-security-conundrum/#comment-132227</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deguello - Um, what exactly was the point you were trying to make to me?  It didn&#039;t seem to attwach to anything I posted.  Sorry if I&#039;m dense tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deguello &#8211; Um, what exactly was the point you were trying to make to me?  It didn&#8217;t seem to attwach to anything I posted.  Sorry if I&#8217;m dense tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: NotASheep</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-civil-liberties-vs-security-conundrum/#comment-132142</link>
		<dc:creator>NotASheep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This video was shot in 1985 but is particularly germane considering the crises our country faces today and considering that one of the candidates in the Presidential race has undeniable Socialist/Marxist leanings.

Whatever else you may conclude about this video, after viewing it you will have a very different perspective on causes of the current financial meltdown.

http://www.darkskiesblog.com/2008/10/07/video-presentation-of-marxist-ideological-subversion-in-us-video-embed-very-interesting/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This video was shot in 1985 but is particularly germane considering the crises our country faces today and considering that one of the candidates in the Presidential race has undeniable Socialist/Marxist leanings.</p>
<p>Whatever else you may conclude about this video, after viewing it you will have a very different perspective on causes of the current financial meltdown.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.darkskiesblog.com/2008/10/07/video-presentation-of-marxist-ideological-subversion-in-us-video-embed-very-interesting/" rel="nofollow">http://www.darkskiesblog.com/2008/10/07/video-presentation-of-marxist-ideological-subversion-in-us-video-embed-very-interesting/</a></p>
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		<title>By: deguello</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-civil-liberties-vs-security-conundrum/#comment-131936</link>
		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc Malone: the biggest enemy free Americans face is an Obama presidency with a Dem-controlled congress,armed with the Bush national security &quot;laws&quot; .If Dems    achieve this, guantanamo bay will soon be full of talk radio hosts, libertarians, gun owners,and Thomas Jefferson enthusiasts .The main reason terrorism hasn&#039;t struck the US, is to undermine the Bush presidency, and make him look like an overeacting fool,not the efficacy of   measures  that clearly threaten civil liberties.One question for the Shrub:&quot;If Islam,as you said,is a religion of peace,then why do we need extra-legal national security measures? Oh I forgot, it&#039;s those dangerous angry white males ,and their guns!Why some of them ,after the massacres at Waco,and The Weaver  farm had the nerve to call the Bush  senior&#039;s  ATF/FBI thugs  &quot;storm troopers&quot;!Arrest the impudent hicks,send&#039;em to Guantanamo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc Malone: the biggest enemy free Americans face is an Obama presidency with a Dem-controlled congress,armed with the Bush national security &#8220;laws&#8221; .If Dems    achieve this, guantanamo bay will soon be full of talk radio hosts, libertarians, gun owners,and Thomas Jefferson enthusiasts .The main reason terrorism hasn&#8217;t struck the US, is to undermine the Bush presidency, and make him look like an overeacting fool,not the efficacy of   measures  that clearly threaten civil liberties.One question for the Shrub:&#8221;If Islam,as you said,is a religion of peace,then why do we need extra-legal national security measures? Oh I forgot, it&#8217;s those dangerous angry white males ,and their guns!Why some of them ,after the massacres at Waco,and The Weaver  farm had the nerve to call the Bush  senior&#8217;s  ATF/FBI thugs  &#8220;storm troopers&#8221;!Arrest the impudent hicks,send&#8217;em to Guantanamo!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan W.</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-civil-liberties-vs-security-conundrum/#comment-131691</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. I wasn&#039;t aware of the Clinton administration&#039;s negligence or how it contributed to 9/11. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. I wasn&#8217;t aware of the Clinton administration&#8217;s negligence or how it contributed to 9/11. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: deguello</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-civil-liberties-vs-security-conundrum/#comment-131575</link>
		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Security is nothing less than the excuse of the bipartisan plutocracy,to strip americans of their first and second amendment rights,in order to intimidate and opress them. Wait until Obama wins, you&#039;ll see all of Bush&#039;s national security poison,dumped on blogs, talk radio,and groups unacceptable to liberals,such as ther boy scouts, the NRA, and The Heritage foundation.Watch for the ACLU and the NYT &quot;discover&quot; situations where torture is permissible,and watch for the IRS to tsart harassing people who write on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Security is nothing less than the excuse of the bipartisan plutocracy,to strip americans of their first and second amendment rights,in order to intimidate and opress them. Wait until Obama wins, you&#8217;ll see all of Bush&#8217;s national security poison,dumped on blogs, talk radio,and groups unacceptable to liberals,such as ther boy scouts, the NRA, and The Heritage foundation.Watch for the ACLU and the NYT &#8220;discover&#8221; situations where torture is permissible,and watch for the IRS to tsart harassing people who write on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Civil libertarians have been absolutists for a long time. One of these days, there &lt;b&gt;will&lt;/b&gt; be another major terrorist attack, probably with a WMD (although that most recent major attempt was to blow up airliners over major US cities - stopped just in time by the British).

I have long urged civil libertarians to pre-emptively prepare for terrorism related laws by working on ways to &lt;b&gt;cooperate&lt;/b&gt; the government in order to maximize security and minimize true abuses.

We have had a fetish of privacy in the US. Privacy (outside one&#039;s home) &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; going away. Civil libertarians need to figure out how to protect our more important liberties in light of this fact, rather than constantly fighting it (and having librarians destroy records).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Civil libertarians have been absolutists for a long time. One of these days, there <b>will</b> be another major terrorist attack, probably with a WMD (although that most recent major attempt was to blow up airliners over major US cities &#8211; stopped just in time by the British).</p>
<p>I have long urged civil libertarians to pre-emptively prepare for terrorism related laws by working on ways to <b>cooperate</b> the government in order to maximize security and minimize true abuses.</p>
<p>We have had a fetish of privacy in the US. Privacy (outside one&#8217;s home) <b>is</b> going away. Civil libertarians need to figure out how to protect our more important liberties in light of this fact, rather than constantly fighting it (and having librarians destroy records).</p>
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		<title>By: whiskey</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark -- the root causes of Terrorism are really, polygamy. Which leaves a few men with four wives and most men with none. It&#039;s estimated that about 30% of men in the Arabian peninsula have more than one wife, and 60% have none. This leaves them without any role in their society, except through Jihad which is the only means to find &quot;wives&quot; through 72 virgins in the Afterlife.

There is no way to eliminate the root causes because Islam&#039;s pillar IS polygamy. Polygamy is indeed Islam&#039;s reason for existence. Heck Obama&#039;s father was a polygamist, who got his then 17 year old mother pregnant while married to other women in Kenya, and who returned to Kenya to marry multiple women at the same time.

Unless we kill about 45% of men 18-44 in the Muslim world, a horrifying prospect, eliminating root causes is simply impossible. Since the polygamy will continue, with most men losing out and thus becoming Jihadis.

Thus, the need to impose serious anti-terror measures, including overt profiling of Muslims and over discrimination, shutting Muslims out of the West as much as possible.

Because nuclear proliferation, in weak, divided, tribal-oriented states means obscure would be tribal leaders in places like Pakistan or Iran can decide if Copenhagen or NYC lives or dies. One Western city WILL die from a Muslim nuke, delivered by shipping container, and THEN you will see a totally different world. You will not like it.

All the more because the nuclear death of up to 6 million Westerners in a nuclear bombing by Muslim terrorists -- is totally preventable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8212; the root causes of Terrorism are really, polygamy. Which leaves a few men with four wives and most men with none. It&#8217;s estimated that about 30% of men in the Arabian peninsula have more than one wife, and 60% have none. This leaves them without any role in their society, except through Jihad which is the only means to find &#8220;wives&#8221; through 72 virgins in the Afterlife.</p>
<p>There is no way to eliminate the root causes because Islam&#8217;s pillar IS polygamy. Polygamy is indeed Islam&#8217;s reason for existence. Heck Obama&#8217;s father was a polygamist, who got his then 17 year old mother pregnant while married to other women in Kenya, and who returned to Kenya to marry multiple women at the same time.</p>
<p>Unless we kill about 45% of men 18-44 in the Muslim world, a horrifying prospect, eliminating root causes is simply impossible. Since the polygamy will continue, with most men losing out and thus becoming Jihadis.</p>
<p>Thus, the need to impose serious anti-terror measures, including overt profiling of Muslims and over discrimination, shutting Muslims out of the West as much as possible.</p>
<p>Because nuclear proliferation, in weak, divided, tribal-oriented states means obscure would be tribal leaders in places like Pakistan or Iran can decide if Copenhagen or NYC lives or dies. One Western city WILL die from a Muslim nuke, delivered by shipping container, and THEN you will see a totally different world. You will not like it.</p>
<p>All the more because the nuclear death of up to 6 million Westerners in a nuclear bombing by Muslim terrorists &#8212; is totally preventable.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not concerned about Posse Comitatus.  I don&#039;t view it as sacrosanct.  Besides, we are at war with terrorism.  If we have to use troops within our borders, it&#039;s because there would be enemies within our borders.  Just because the enemy is a terrorist, doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s not an invader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not concerned about Posse Comitatus.  I don&#8217;t view it as sacrosanct.  Besides, we are at war with terrorism.  If we have to use troops within our borders, it&#8217;s because there would be enemies within our borders.  Just because the enemy is a terrorist, doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s not an invader.</p>
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		<title>By: njcommuter</title>
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		<dc:creator>njcommuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Notutopia&lt;/b&gt;, the Posse Comitatus act was created to stop the Federal Reconstruction of the South after the War Between the States.  It allowed segregation, Jim Crow, the Klan, and unanswered violence against blacks to continue for decades.  That&#039;s not such a good thing, is it?  But even Posse Comitatus allows the governor of a state to &lt;i&gt;ask&lt;/i&gt; for military aid.

For a much deeper analysis of why we have to at least consider taking down internal/external walls like Posse Comitatus, see Philip Bobbitt&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Terror and Consent&lt;/i&gt;.  (Bobbitt is a lifetime Democrat, by the way, and is IMO unfairly harsh on George Bush, but his analysis is strong enough that it should be accepted or refuted.)  For why these responsibilities fall to this generation, read his previous work &lt;i&gt;The Shield of Achilles&lt;/i&gt;.  But if you have the guts to take on TSoA, be warned that if you don&#039;t read and re-read the introduction until is seems (almost) obvious, you will probably miss the point of the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Notutopia</b>, the Posse Comitatus act was created to stop the Federal Reconstruction of the South after the War Between the States.  It allowed segregation, Jim Crow, the Klan, and unanswered violence against blacks to continue for decades.  That&#8217;s not such a good thing, is it?  But even Posse Comitatus allows the governor of a state to <i>ask</i> for military aid.</p>
<p>For a much deeper analysis of why we have to at least consider taking down internal/external walls like Posse Comitatus, see Philip Bobbitt&#8217;s <i>Terror and Consent</i>.  (Bobbitt is a lifetime Democrat, by the way, and is IMO unfairly harsh on George Bush, but his analysis is strong enough that it should be accepted or refuted.)  For why these responsibilities fall to this generation, read his previous work <i>The Shield of Achilles</i>.  But if you have the guts to take on TSoA, be warned that if you don&#8217;t read and re-read the introduction until is seems (almost) obvious, you will probably miss the point of the book.</p>
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