Comments on: The ‘C’ in ACLU Is for Cowardice http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-c-in-aclu-is-for-cowardice/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:55:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: kochevnik http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-c-in-aclu-is-for-cowardice/#comment-438917 kochevnik Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:04:39 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=70924#comment-438917 @Dave M.: >Dave K. is absolutely right. Except for the fact that >churches feed, clothe, house, and help care for more >poor and destitude people than any government program, >they are all parasites. The fact that churches are the >first to arrive and last to leave when disaster >strikes, natural and man-made, doesn’t excuse their >secular sin of not paying taxes. Just because churches >have established non-profit hospitals, run orphanages, >provide sholarships, provide charity to poverty >stricken regions all over the world, doesn’t mean they >have ever done anthing for anyone. Yes the Jewish ghettos of Poland were exceptional examples of Christian charity. The final act of mercy was burning 18million heritics alive under the kindness of Catholic priest Adolph Hitler. @Dave M.:

>Dave K. is absolutely right. Except for the fact that
>churches feed, clothe, house, and help care for more
>poor and destitude people than any government program,
>they are all parasites. The fact that churches are the
>first to arrive and last to leave when disaster
>strikes, natural and man-made, doesn’t excuse their
>secular sin of not paying taxes. Just because churches
>have established non-profit hospitals, run orphanages,
>provide sholarships, provide charity to poverty
>stricken regions all over the world, doesn’t mean they
>have ever done anthing for anyone.

Yes the Jewish ghettos of Poland were exceptional examples of Christian charity. The final act of mercy was burning 18million heritics alive under the kindness of Catholic priest Adolph Hitler.

]]> By: Turkey Run http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-c-in-aclu-is-for-cowardice/#comment-438374 Turkey Run Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:38:03 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=70924#comment-438374 Adam Graham, Great post. I confess I have not considered why the ACLU went after the little guys. Also consider, that after dinging all these little cases, and we in accepting the outcome, now come to agree or get worn down and accept it ourselves. Appreciate your insight. TR Adam Graham,
Great post. I confess I have not considered why the ACLU went after the little guys.
Also consider, that after dinging all these little cases, and we in accepting the outcome, now come to agree or get worn down and accept it ourselves.
Appreciate your insight.
TR

]]> By: Peter the Bubblehead http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-c-in-aclu-is-for-cowardice/#comment-438270 Peter the Bubblehead Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:43:47 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=70924#comment-438270 37. Bonnie_ wrote: I believe there is a special circle of Hell reserved for members of the ACLU. Peter writes: The only problem is they themselves would never believe in it. 37. Bonnie_ wrote:
I believe there is a special circle of Hell reserved for members of the ACLU.

Peter writes: The only problem is they themselves would never believe in it.

]]> By: Bonnie_ http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-c-in-aclu-is-for-cowardice/#comment-438227 Bonnie_ Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:07:21 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=70924#comment-438227 My school doesn't allow Halloween any more. No witches, jack-o-lanterns, ghosts, or costumes. The "Fall Celebration" parties are allowed to use only undecorated pumpkins and fall leaves. My school doesn't allow Christmas any more. "Winter Break" is celebrated. No Christmas trees, or crosses, or Christmas stars. Only snowmen and snowflake symbols are allowed. Only secular songs. No "Gloria," no "Away in a Manger," no "Silent Night." Only "Jingle Bells" and other sorts. I believe there is a special circle of Hell reserved for members of the ACLU. My school doesn’t allow Halloween any more. No witches, jack-o-lanterns, ghosts, or costumes. The “Fall Celebration” parties are allowed to use only undecorated pumpkins and fall leaves.

My school doesn’t allow Christmas any more. “Winter Break” is celebrated. No Christmas trees, or crosses, or Christmas stars. Only snowmen and snowflake symbols are allowed. Only secular songs. No “Gloria,” no “Away in a Manger,” no “Silent Night.” Only “Jingle Bells” and other sorts.

I believe there is a special circle of Hell reserved for members of the ACLU.

]]> By: tony http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-c-in-aclu-is-for-cowardice/#comment-438219 tony Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:54:00 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=70924#comment-438219 Truth be known as it should with a little googling, the "C" stands for communist. The ACLU was started by avowed communist http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45959 http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41751 Truth be known as it should with a little googling, the “C” stands for communist. The ACLU was started by avowed communist

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45959

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41751

]]> By: Brian http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-c-in-aclu-is-for-cowardice/#comment-438092 Brian Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:06:42 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=70924#comment-438092 We should display ACLU lawyers hanging from the town square for Christmas instead. We should display ACLU lawyers hanging from the town square for Christmas instead.

]]> By: yogiman http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-c-in-aclu-is-for-cowardice/#comment-437998 yogiman Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:07:28 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=70924#comment-437998 I think the Critical Club's name has been misspelled. It is the ACLDU. Not the ACLU. The 'D' meaning Distruction, as they are trying to do to our nation. I think the Critical Club’s name has been misspelled. It is the ACLDU. Not the ACLU. The ‘D’ meaning Distruction, as they are trying to do to our nation.

]]> By: Ritchie Emmons http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-c-in-aclu-is-for-cowardice/#comment-437990 Ritchie Emmons Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:48:28 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=70924#comment-437990 I used to have a grudging respect for the ACLU when they defended David Duke's right to have his name on the ballot to run for office. At least they, at the time, seemed consistent enough that they could defend a buffoon like Duke as well as the people/causes that they usually defended. But now, there is no consistency. The ACLU has become a far left arm of the Democratic party. They've become shamefully partisan. And as this article has pointed out, they go after the little people/entities. I am an atheist. However, I'm disgusted with how the ACLU consistently goes after Christianity. I have no problem with public displays of religion. I have no problem with Christmas trees. As a matter of fact, I even "celebrate" Christmas (exchange gifts/have dinner with family). I would only object if someone was trying to force me to convert to their religion, which, aside from a couple of innocuous times when a religious someone has knocked on my door, has never happened. Christians will find no bigger defender of their religion from the atheist world than they will from me. I wish the ACLU would show a little more respect for Christianity. Or at least show a little even handedness and go after all religions equally. I used to have a grudging respect for the ACLU when they defended David Duke’s right to have his name on the ballot to run for office. At least they, at the time, seemed consistent enough that they could defend a buffoon like Duke as well as the people/causes that they usually defended.

But now, there is no consistency. The ACLU has become a far left arm of the Democratic party. They’ve become shamefully partisan. And as this article has pointed out, they go after the little people/entities.

I am an atheist. However, I’m disgusted with how the ACLU consistently goes after Christianity. I have no problem with public displays of religion. I have no problem with Christmas trees. As a matter of fact, I even “celebrate” Christmas (exchange gifts/have dinner with family). I would only object if someone was trying to force me to convert to their religion, which, aside from a couple of innocuous times when a religious someone has knocked on my door, has never happened.

Christians will find no bigger defender of their religion from the atheist world than they will from me. I wish the ACLU would show a little more respect for Christianity. Or at least show a little even handedness and go after all religions equally.

]]> By: Gramps Cane http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-c-in-aclu-is-for-cowardice/#comment-437954 Gramps Cane Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:55:26 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=70924#comment-437954 Much is currently being said about the separation of Church and State. The argument as to the exact meaning of “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” is constantly debated. Is the statement made by then-President Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury, Connecticut, Baptist Church about the “wall of separation” between Church and State valid? Despite all the talk about the separation of Church and State, the liberal left has done everything in its power to eradicate the Church and to place any remnants under government control. For example, the Church is taxed if it refuses to tow the IRS line. However, almost nothing is said about the currently more pressing issue of government usurpation of the church’s responsibilities. This unconstitutional usurpation has done more to destroy this nation than has anything else. Consider the following:  Government vs. Church in Social Programs. Up until the time of FDR, the Church and private charities were primarily responsible for helping the poor and needy in local communities. Since most of the people were known locally, their actual needs and abilities could be accurately assessed. Their spiritual and emotional needs could also be administered to at that time, thus helping the whole person. This encouraged the moral climate of the community as well as helping the physical, material and financial needs. Federal aid has the opposite effect. In order to receive aid a person often must be in immoral circumstances. This starts a downward moral spiral. Consider also that all aid to the underprivileged was given voluntarily, unlike the forced transferal of wealth from the middle class to the poor through government taxation. Also, churches typically have about a ten percent overhead. Contrast that with a seventy percent overhead for the IRS. This figure does not include the cost to companies and individuals for computing taxes. In other words, if people gave half as much to charity as they currently pay in income taxes alone, and all income taxes were abolished, more people would receive better aid than is currently being done through the government. Let me state it plainly: Voluntary socialism is the exclusive domain of the Church. Forced socialism administered by the government is an abysmal failure.  Government vs. Church in Capitalism. For over a hundred years the federal government saw fit, for the most part, to let free enterprise function uncontrolled. By the latter part of the nineteenth century humanism was becoming the dominant factor in many businesses. The weaknesses of the free enterprise system with the total depravity of man were becoming apparent. Unethical free enterprise will always drive wages down to the lowest common denominator. The ones controlling the power were keeping those at the bottom in poverty. However, with the intervention of pastors and other religious leaders things began to change. Well into the twentieth century many businesses had chaplains and allowed local clergy to hold meetings during the lunch hour. This aided the businesses by developing workers who were trustworthy and had a biblical work ethic. This helped churches by increasing membership roles. This aided the workers by making them become better people. It was a win-win situation for everyone – except the government. The federal government, always hungry for more power, soon stepped in. The results, predictably, have been disastrous. Without the absolute truths of the Scriptures relativism took over. Literally thousands of laws have been passed to ensure ethical results without any moral basis. The federal government has abdicated its actual responsibility and intervened in the church’s domain. The government’s role is supposed to be to provide a level playing field to keep us from hurting one another in the rough and tumble world of free enterprise. The church gives us the moral fiber to make capitalism work.  Government vs. Church in Foreign Aid. Currently the government is giving foreign aid to approximately 150 countries. On the mistaken theory that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, our government generously hand over billions of tax dollars that we do not have to countries that would gladly oversee our demise. This is one of the things our Founding Fathers warned against. But what if free enterprise and private charities took over this role? Then aid would go to those whom “we, the people” designate. On a level playing ground Christianity can out perform any other religion and free enterprise beat any other economic policy. This would improve the moral climate around the world, increase America’s good will in other nations, and stop propping up petty dictators. However, it would have one other important implication – the law of unintended consequences. Our government, forbidden from aiding the advancement of religion, is nonetheless indirectly giving millions of dollars for the advancement of radical Islam in this country. The United States gives billions of dollars to Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries. They, being devoted to the spreading of Islam, use this money (or money freed up by it) to set up college courses in our universities for the study of Islam. They also use it to support Muslim groups in our country.  Government vs. Church in Education. Tomes could be written here. In the early days of this country, all schools were Christian schools. The people recognized that education was about moral character as well as knowledge. The United States had a literacy rate among the highest in the world. To get into college usually required, as a minimum, a working knowledge of Greek and Latin. Advanced knowledge of math and science were also requisite. The biggest problems facing our schools were absenteeism and chewing gum in class! There is no need to expound upon the educational mess prevalent in today’s society. However, one important aspect of our educational system is often overlooked. The government has a vested interest in having an ignorant and immoral society. A moral well educated people are capable of self-government. An ignorant and immoral people are not. The government then has an excuse for total dominance. At the close of the Constitutional Convention, September 17, 1787, Benjamin Franklin made this observation: I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other. I fear that that day is currently upon us. Much is currently being said about the separation of Church and State. The argument as to the exact meaning of “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” is constantly debated. Is the statement made by then-President Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury, Connecticut, Baptist Church about the “wall of separation” between Church and State valid? Despite all the talk about the separation of Church and State, the liberal left has done everything in its power to eradicate the Church and to place any remnants under government control. For example, the Church is taxed if it refuses to tow the IRS line. However, almost nothing is said about the currently more pressing issue of government usurpation of the church’s responsibilities. This unconstitutional usurpation has done more to destroy this nation than has anything else. Consider the following:
 Government vs. Church in Social Programs. Up until the time of FDR, the Church and private charities were primarily responsible for helping the poor and needy in local communities. Since most of the people were known locally, their actual needs and abilities could be accurately assessed. Their spiritual and emotional needs could also be administered to at that time, thus helping the whole person. This encouraged the moral climate of the community as well as helping the physical, material and financial needs. Federal aid has the opposite effect. In order to receive aid a person often must be in immoral circumstances. This starts a downward moral spiral. Consider also that all aid to the underprivileged was given voluntarily, unlike the forced transferal of wealth from the middle class to the poor through government taxation. Also, churches typically have about a ten percent overhead. Contrast that with a seventy percent overhead for the IRS. This figure does not include the cost to companies and individuals for computing taxes. In other words, if people gave half as much to charity as they currently pay in income taxes alone, and all income taxes were abolished, more people would receive better aid than is currently being done through the government. Let me state it plainly: Voluntary socialism is the exclusive domain of the Church. Forced socialism administered by the government is an abysmal failure.
 Government vs. Church in Capitalism. For over a hundred years the federal government saw fit, for the most part, to let free enterprise function uncontrolled. By the latter part of the nineteenth century humanism was becoming the dominant factor in many businesses. The weaknesses of the free enterprise system with the total depravity of man were becoming apparent. Unethical free enterprise will always drive wages down to the lowest common denominator. The ones controlling the power were keeping those at the bottom in poverty. However, with the intervention of pastors and other religious leaders things began to change. Well into the twentieth century many businesses had chaplains and allowed local clergy to hold meetings during the lunch hour. This aided the businesses by developing workers who were trustworthy and had a biblical work ethic. This helped churches by increasing membership roles. This aided the workers by making them become better people. It was a win-win situation for everyone – except the government. The federal government, always hungry for more power, soon stepped in. The results, predictably, have been disastrous. Without the absolute truths of the Scriptures relativism took over. Literally thousands of laws have been passed to ensure ethical results without any moral basis. The federal government has abdicated its actual responsibility and intervened in the church’s domain. The government’s role is supposed to be to provide a level playing field to keep us from hurting one another in the rough and tumble world of free enterprise. The church gives us the moral fiber to make capitalism work.
 Government vs. Church in Foreign Aid. Currently the government is giving foreign aid to approximately 150 countries. On the mistaken theory that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, our government generously hand over billions of tax dollars that we do not have to countries that would gladly oversee our demise. This is one of the things our Founding Fathers warned against. But what if free enterprise and private charities took over this role? Then aid would go to those whom “we, the people” designate. On a level playing ground Christianity can out perform any other religion and free enterprise beat any other economic policy. This would improve the moral climate around the world, increase America’s good will in other nations, and stop propping up petty dictators. However, it would have one other important implication – the law of unintended consequences. Our government, forbidden from aiding the advancement of religion, is nonetheless indirectly giving millions of dollars for the advancement of radical Islam in this country. The United States gives billions of dollars to Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries. They, being devoted to the spreading of Islam, use this money (or money freed up by it) to set up college courses in our universities for the study of Islam. They also use it to support Muslim groups in our country.
 Government vs. Church in Education. Tomes could be written here. In the early days of this country, all schools were Christian schools. The people recognized that education was about moral character as well as knowledge. The United States had a literacy rate among the highest in the world. To get into college usually required, as a minimum, a working knowledge of Greek and Latin. Advanced knowledge of math and science were also requisite. The biggest problems facing our schools were absenteeism and chewing gum in class! There is no need to expound upon the educational mess prevalent in today’s society. However, one important aspect of our educational system is often overlooked. The government has a vested interest in having an ignorant and immoral society. A moral well educated people are capable of self-government. An ignorant and immoral people are not. The government then has an excuse for total dominance. At the close of the Constitutional Convention, September 17, 1787, Benjamin Franklin made this observation:
I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.

I fear that that day is currently upon us.

]]> By: SM http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-c-in-aclu-is-for-cowardice/#comment-437859 SM Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:06:47 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=70924#comment-437859 Calling it “Christmas vacation” is simply not accurate – it typically extends from the solstice through the new year for most children. Why not New Year vacation? Dave, the Christmas season extends from the vigil mass of Christmas eve until the feast of the Baptism of Jesus. Just FYI. Calling it “Christmas vacation” is simply not accurate – it typically extends from the solstice through the new year for most children. Why not New Year vacation?

Dave, the Christmas season extends from the vigil mass of Christmas eve until the feast of the Baptism of Jesus.

Just FYI.

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