The 10 Gun Bills Introduced on Day One of the New Congress
Out of the dozens of bills introduced in the House on the first day of the 113th Congress, ten had to do with guns.
Eight of these were from Democrats seeking tighter gun controls. Two were from Republican freshman in line with calls from the National Rifle Association and Libertarian Party to put guns in the hands of adults who can fight off a shooter in the “gun-free zones” of schools.
The very first bill introduced on Thursday, after the block of resolutions reserved for Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was H.R. 21 from Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.).
The NRA Members’ Gun Safety Act was actually a reintroduction of legislation Moran produced in December after the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting in Newtown, Conn.
“As the first bill I introduced this Congress, H.R. 21 represents one of my top priorities – taking commonsense steps to prevent future gun-related deaths,” Moran said.
The bill is named so because Moran took polling indicating which actions NRA members would support in principle, and rolled that into specific gun-control legislation. It includes requirements for background checks for every gun purchase and on gun-store employees, prohibits individuals on the terrorist watch list from purchasing firearms, requires gun owners to report to police when their guns are lost or stolen, and establishes minimum standards for concealed carry permits.
“The NRA is working to block gun safety reforms, regardless of merit, and despite the schism between the group and their membership,” Moran claimed. “In the wake of the most recent tragedy, enough is enough. It’s time to take steps to better protect the public in ways that do not infringe on the 2nd Amendment.”
Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill.) had the next gun control bill out of the 113th gate with the reintroduction of the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2013, first introduced in 2007 and named after a slain Chicago high school student. It would implement the same type of gun licensing system and records like VINs on cars.
Naturally, under Rush’s bill, these identification numbers would be “GINs.”
“It was important to reintroduce ‘Blair’s Bill’ on the first day in session to pioneer gun violence as the number one social injustice of our time,” said Rush, who also marked the beginning of his 11th term in office. “As a legislative body we need to address the issue of gun violence head on in order to avert any more senseless mass killings and shooting deaths of our youth in cities across this country.”
But freshman Republicans Steve Stockman (Texas) and Tom Massie (Ky.) — who, incidentally, each voted against John Boehner (R-Ohio) for a second term as speaker — each introduced bills to repeal the “gun-free” designation for school campuses.
“By disarming qualified citizens and officials in schools we have created a dangerous situation for our children. In the 22 years before enactment of ‘gun free school zones’ there were two mass school shootings. In the 22 years since enactment of ‘gun free schools’ there have been 10 mass school shootings. Not only has the bill utterly failed to protect our children it appears to have placed them in danger,” said Stockman, formerly a one-term congressman in the 1990s.
“What would have been horrific massacres on school campuses in Pearl, Mississippi, and Grundy, Virginia, were averted by armed staff and students. Armed citizens save lives.”
Perhaps filling the gap left by retired Texas Rep. Ron Paul (R), Stockman also picked up the “Audit the Fed” torch and reintroduced that bill.
Massie, an entrepreneur who campaigned for Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), introduced H.R. 133, the Citizens Protection Act of 2013, which would repeal the Gun Free School Zones Act of 1990. Ron Paul originally introduced the bill in 2007.
“A bigger federal government can’t solve this problem. Weapons bans and gun free zones are unconstitutional,” Massie said. “They do not and cannot prevent criminals or the mentally ill from committing acts of violence. But they often prevent victims of such violence from protecting themselves.”
Massie voted for libertarian Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) for speaker. Stockman voted “present” after ignoring the first call to vote.
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) introduced a bill, summarized as a resolution “to prevent children’s access to firearms,” that would raise the legal age to own a firearm from 18 to 21.
Rep. Rush Holt (D-N.J.) introduced the Handgun Licensing and Registration Act, based upon his home state’s registration law, to mandate on a federal level licensing and registration of every handgun sold.
“Every day that Congress fails to act to rein in gun violence, 80 more people die by gunfire – whether from homicide, suicide, or accident,” Holt said. “The tragedy at Sandy Hook showed in horrific terms that we have waited far too long to address gun safety. At the very least, we should insist that potentially deadly weapons are licensed and registered in every state in America, as they already are in New Jersey.”
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), though, eclipsed her colleagues by introducing four pieces of gun-control legislation on Day One.
McCarthy was elected to Congress as a stringent gun-control activist after her husband, Dennis, was killed in a Long Island shooting spree in 1993.
She introduced two bills to ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the national instant criminal background check system and require background checks for every firearms sale, and to require criminal background checks on all firearms transactions occurring at gun shows.
A third McCarthy bill would require face-to-face purchases of ammunition, require licensing of ammunition dealers, and require reporting of bulk ammo purchases.
Rounding out her cache is the High Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act, which gained dozens of co-sponsors in the 112th Congress after the Tuscon, Ariz., shooting in which former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-Ariz.) was shot in the head.
It would ban the sale or transfer of ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds, a tenet of the decade-long expired assault weapons ban.
“These assault magazines help put the ‘mass’ in ‘mass shooting’ and anything we can do to stop their proliferation will save lives in America,” McCarthy said. “These devices are used to kill as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time possible and we owe it to innocent Americans everywhere to keep them out of the hands of dangerous people. We don’t even allow hunters to use them – something’s deeply wrong if we’re protecting game more than we’re protecting innocent human beings.”
The Senate will not begin introducing legislation until later this month, which means Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s (D-Calif.) push to renew the assault weapons ban — and potential companion bills to the aforementioned House efforts — won’t surface for a couple of weeks.
I’ll repeat what I asked in a previous thread:
I’d like to know why we can’t get a clear answer to the simple question of whether the Bushmaster was in the trunk of the car or used in the shootings? Seems to me that this is a salient question, particularly if the answer is that it was in the trunk. If it was in the trunk then it is ludicrous to even be discussing an assault rifle ban.
A good side issue here is that with the media politicizing everything, getting answers to basic questions like the one above are next to impossible. And if that’s the case then what the hell is the point of discussing anything whatsoever. Just implement tyranny and be done with it.
It was not only in the trunk, it was not an AR-15. This is quite apparent in the video of it being extracted from the trunk – it’s some form of pump action shotgun. You can see this clearly, when the officer clears the weapon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDw0DUpKssA&feature=player_embedded
Don’t expect an answer to your question any time soon. And don’t even THINK anybody in the media is going to ask. But just to make sure the Feds keep a lid on the whole thing, they RAIDED the gunstore where the AR was purchased so now all the records of who actually purchased the gun (and when) are in the trusted hands of the Federal Government.
the weapon in the trunk is a semi-auto shotgun based on the ak. you can watch him drop the mag, then pull the charging handle on the side to eject the chambered round.
Where’s Techno?? According to him, even if the rifle/shot gun was in the trunk, unloaded and locked up, its bullets were still found at the murder scene and therefore it should also be a banned weapon.
Techno admitted that gun bans won’t stop evil people from getting guns and mags.
I heard one report that 70+ .223 shell casings were recovered. While it’s the hits that count, that would (if true) indicate he used the AR.
The long awaited Coroner’s report would put all this to rest. Where is it?
The answer to your question is irrelevant LGoPs.
None of the gun control measures proposed so far in the wake of Sandy Hook, if they had been in effect prior to the shooting, would have prevented the tragedy. The people making those proposals know this very well. The purpose of the proposed measures, if made into law, is to get people accustomed to gun controls incrementally with the ultimate goal of disarming us entirely. In other words, they are fitting us for a saddle.
Do not underestimate how pathological these people are. Their goal is to have a disarmed and helpless population that they can steal from with impunity and lord it over . It is really just that simple. I have debated with more than one gun grabber who admits this freely, and who were practically orgasmic when the news from Sandy Hook broke. It gave them another chance to climb onto a pile of murdered children and rail about gun control, hopefully riding the emotional tide to victory.
Again, do not underestimate how pathological these people are.
The malevolence can easily be seen when these people wave the dead bodies of children as political props. That reminds me of that Hezbollah “emergency worker” that was posing the same child corpse in different settings to make the gullible think that the corpse was different children during the Hezbollah rocket attacks on Israel a few years ago.
The motto of the Obama Administration;
“Never let a serious crisis go to waste”
You are right, they are going to probe the 2nd Amendment for any weakness acceptable enough to pass. Then keep coming back to hit us all again.
Actually they should all be questioned as to breaking their oath of office just for conspiring an attempt to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment.
Remember, Fast and Furious!!
The news first said the BushMaster was locked in the trunk of the car & then said Two Pistols were used in the shooting & next day said it was found in side of the school & used in the shooting.
Everything I’ve read has indicated it was still in the trunk and was not used in the actual shooting at the school. To anyone who knows firearms the reasons for that are obvious (in an enclosed environment, ease of movement), as to why you don’t hear that reported in the media that wouldn’t jive with their agenda now would it?
Also they apparently let him in through a secured entry. Would they have buzzed in someone carrying a rifle?
That report was contradicted in the flow of media misinformation and pure fabrications. We have yet to see a factual summary of events.
And we never will.
Chicago Finishes 2012 With 506 Homicides January 1, 2013
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/01/chicago-finishes-2012-with-506-homicides/
This is the result of gun control. It makes self defense criminal! Backwards thinking for sure!
See my comment above in reply to LGoPs.
Your argument will fall on deaf ears. When you want a helpless and cowed population a high rate of violent crime is a feature not a bug. The gun grabbers WANT a high rate of violent crime. Every time we try to point out that disarming the law abiding population will cause them to be increasingly victimized by criminals the gun grabbers chuckle to themselves. That is what they want.
I should qualify here. I am speaking of the leadership, not so much the useful idiots. These people are evil.
Yeah, it’s as if the ghetto slime gangbangers are actually the real standing army of the Left. The malevolence of these people is so obvious.
So does that mean they will raise the age to join the military and law enforcement to 21 then????
In the NJ National Guard we had this kind of jack-assery. Soldiers under 21 weren’t supposed to handle their weapons until we got to a federal base (unless we were on federal active duty). Complete nonsense.
The real question is…
Do you trust the Republicans in D.C. to stop most or any of these bills?
If the Dems are successful in passing any or all of these bills…what are you going to do about it?
Call your congresscritter?
How’s that been working out for ya?
Yes, I trust the House Republicans to stop these Dem anti-2 Amendment bills. They will also a score of Dems join them.
Trust based on what evidence?
The results of the 1996 national election perhaps?
Reaction to the 1994 AWB is commonly thought to be a major factor in handing both the House and Senate over from Democrat to Republican.
When polled for a sound bite most folks say they’re for “sensible” gun control. Once they learn that would mean taking their guns away the story changes.
In any case, the primary effect of gun control is to limit access to firearms for honest citizens. It always results in an increase in violent crime and usually in gun related crimes as well. Criminal data from Great Britain, Australia, and Mexico bear this out.
Simple math.
There are no anti-gun Republicans, but a lot of pro-gun Democrats. Any gun control bill will alienate Democrat votes without bringing any the Democrat didn’t already have. That means that unless you hail from a district with a >20% or so permanent Democratic majority you cannot afford to touch gun control and expect to win re-election. That’s why people like Pelosi and Feinstein from the people’s republic of California can afford to go on about it at length, they could eat a baby on live national TV and still win election in those districts. Democrats from more conservative districts are not so lucky and must support the 2nd amendment to win. So even ignoring the Republicans, there will be some Democrats against any gun control.
Despite their cave on the recent fiscal cliff deal, I think the house Republicans will not let this pass. In the fiscal cliff deal the Democrats held all the cards, everyone’s taxes would’ve gone up without a tactical retreat. When it comes to gun control though, Republicans hold all the political cards. The Democrats are making the same mistake of overreach they made during Obamacare, thinking that a slight majority of support for some sort of unspecified action will actually translate into support for any specific legislation.* If the Democrats controlled the house I’d be truly worried, because they may be willing to make a kamikaze trip out of it like they did for Obamacare, but without the house they’re screwed, all they can do is alienate voters for 2014 while not getting anything passed anyway.
* Polls were showing something like 70-80% of people favored some sort of unspecified “healthcare reform”, but when they saw the shit-sandwitch that was Obamacare the numbers were more like 60%+ against. Same concept applies here. The Democrats and media (redundant I know) cite a push poll taken a day or two into the media frenzy following sandy hook showing a slight majority want “more gun control”, but when they see what that actually means it will backfire horribly.
There’s another way to look at all of this. Places with the highest crime rates are typically Democrat strongholds. So, perhaps it isn’t only guns that are the trouble but that Democrats are. Therefore, let’s go ahead and ban gun ownership: by Democrats. That shouldn’t be too difficult since most already live in areas where guns are heavily restricted or banned outright already. In addition, heroic newsies can publish their names and addresses. We can let that experiment run for, say, 10 years and see what effect it has on crime rates before extending any such gun control to everyone else.
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) introduced a bill, summarized as a resolution “to prevent children’s access to firearms,” that would raise the legal age to own a firearm from 18 to 21.
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) introduced a bill, summarized as a resolution “to prevent children’s access to firearms,” that would disarm any serving member of the United States military currently under the age of 21.
Of course, old enough to die for their country but not old enough to defend themselves. Libtard logic.
And how does this have anything to do with the killer, Lanza, and how he came about securing the weapons he used at the school?
Oh, maybe the 3 additional years (ages 18 – 21) will somehow make a differance.
She’s the gift that just keeps on giving.
And one of the objects of the Bell Curve.
“requires gun owners to report to police when their guns are lost or stolen”
Have Obama and Holder report all the guns they lost yet?
Justice for THEE; Not for me.
Well in all fairness I don’t think “lost or stolen” covers “deliberately given to criminal organizations for the purpose of creating murder and mayhem.” Existing treason laws might cover that though.
1. Why is this even a federal issue? School security is a state and local issue, the feds have little role in this. If a state or school district wants security guards in its schools, or gun free zones, or carrying teachers; or if a stae wants to adjust its gun laws, within second amendment restrictions, let them do so.
2. It’s a mental health problem. It’s a mental health problem. It’s a mental health problem.
It is absolutely a federal issue. Does the federal government not have the responsibility to protect the rights of citizens as outlined in the Constitution?
The second amendment does not say that the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. . . by the federal government. It states the this right SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, which means the federal government should take immediate steps to overturn all rules and regulations by state and local governments to infringe this right.
Federal Gov’t & responsibility????????? Really?
If by, “It’s a mental health problem. It’s a mental health problem. It’s a mental health problem.” you mean the Gun Grabbers are crazy, I can agree. Kind of. It is first and foremost a public safety issue! The attack at Sandy Hook was one of criminal intent. The murder knew he was doing something evil and he was aware that the children would be undefended! The proof of these statements is, that when the police arrived, with guns, he promptly killed himself.
Calling it a mental health problem is no more helpful than calling it a GUN CONTROL problem, for the same reason. In either case the children would be undefended!
In case I have not made myself clear, The Children Were And Remain Undefended! THAT IS THE PROBLEM!
Hate to disagree, but……I disagree.
It IS a mental health problem. We have plenty of shootings to dissect in an effort to figure out what is making these killers tick – and the single element that keeps cropping up is how their mental health is the contributing or decisive factor.
I know plenty are sensitive about it, and plenty others are just going to squeal about immorality in society and how we all need more church or need to ban violent entertainment – but the fact is these killers are all on some type of medication or have just gone off of their medications when they do their evil deeds.
If the federal government really wants to get serious, it needs to crawl up the drug companies corporate posteriers with a flashlight and magnifying glass, make all drug testing methodologies and results public domain for easy review, and either prove or disprove a link between giving developing young minds mood altering drugs for years and violent behavior that has so horribly been documented when they reach young adulthood.
I was having a conversation a couple of days ago with a young lady going for her Masters in child development – and even she was trying to make the point before I could do so myself that so many kids are being needlessly medicated.
There is a problem here, and ignoring it or refusing to even accept the possibility it’s the primary source of the problem is not going to do anyone any good.
Lanza was almost certainly on medications. No way for his Mom to get him committed without psychiatric testimony. He had already been diagnosed at school as well . Why no news as to what treatment he received ? If he was on SSRI meds (which has black box warning about violence and suicide) that might mean some sort of national study of such drugs would be a worthwhile first step.
I offered this shocking discussion of the role of psychotic meds on mass murders (and the stunning silence from our political, mental health and journalistic professions.)
NEWTOWN MASSACRE The giant, gaping hole in Sandy Hook reporting
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/the-giant-gaping-hole-in-sandy-hook-reporting/
Mass murderers often leave clear, and present clues that they are lethally dangerous, and often take powerful psychotic meds. But there is a tacit conspiracy to hush this up. An analysis of this, not the size of magazines, would lead to a safer society.
On the question: What meds was Lanza taking? No one knows. Or is reporting.
Do our elite want a solution, or a cause?
Yoy can make all the sense in the world folks. The tyranny will not stop.
Unless we step up. Even Sam Adams was getting discouraged before Lexington.
“Every day that Congress fails to act to rein in gun violence, 80 more people die by gunfire…”
So if Congress were to pass some law, the shooting would suddenly stop–like magic?
Who said Congress was supposed to “rein in gun violence” anyway? And would other-than-gun violence/death be less unpleasant?
Ban this, ban that, regulate this, regulate that….
All these people are going to do is piss off 100million Americans. I’m sure out of that number 10million or more might wise up and stop voting for liberals and progressives. And they will start voting in 2014. Heck, after the first pay period of 2013 I figure several million new conservatives will suddenly appear. With more to follow in early February. Come April 15th? Who knows. But I will tell you this… the Lame Stream Media can’t whitewash over those paychecks when they are handed out every week or two or monthly.
In the words of that immortal American: “Go ahead, make my day empty suit.”
Democrats over the years are known for over-reaching on gun control and finding themselves getting their clocks cleaned in subsequent elections. There’s a number of red-state Democrats in both houses of Congress who will be feeling the heat on this issue so no bill is a slam dunk. Further, a plurality of Americans are either gun-owners or sympathetic to the intent of the 2nd Amendment. I mean, a few days after the latest school shootings some 60% of Americans still had a favorable view of the NRA. So while the left may feel emboldened, and the press will certainly be rah-rah’ing for them, it’s still not a slam dunk.
Here’s the deal. The Dems want to trick the republican congress into passing gun control and then use that to demotivate republican voters so they win back control of the house. They’ve set things up so they can label house republicans as uncompassionate baby killers if they do nothing and as progressive moderate (thus alienating their base) if they do. It’s a shame everything is now all about political manuevering and power with not one single care about what’s best for the nation and its people.
I’ll repeat this: this nation seriously needs prayer and divine intervention to pull out of this nose dive.
None of this anti-gun legislation will ever see the light of day while Harry Reid controls the Senate.
The Gunphobic crowd in Congress has designs on banning all guns that look like military rifles.
Their bills are designed to prevent gun violence, like the Sandy Creek Massacre.
The bills aren’t designed to take guns away from every school entrance where every Senator’s child attends school. The armed security guards at those schools, where their kids and Obama’s kids attend school carry guns designed to protect those school children.
In fact, at ObamaKid’s school, there are almost as many armed security guards lurking the halls making kids safe as there are teachers.
If the new gun control laws were designed to put armed guards into your kids’ schools to protect your kids, I’d vote for them.
Unfortunately,they’re not. The new gun laws are designed to water down the second amendment; the right to bear arms.
So one day in the future, the only guns law abiding citizens will legally be allowed to own are water pistols.
People in Congress have designs are getting re-elected. But, in reality, they’re attaching their chances of getting re-elected to time bombs. Because most Americans don’t want to do away with the second amendment; replacing it with a second amendment that allows little more than water pistol carry.
Little do they realize the truth of what they’re doing, but today’s Congress is toying with their own futures.
Because parents don’t like the idea of leaving their school children unprotected. Like Obama, and the rest of Congress, they like the idea of armed protection in schools for their children.
Bad laws, bad gun laws especially, make bad Congressmen. In these times, bad Congressmen are walking around with a targets on their back.
All my guns keep falling out of my canoe and into the bay. I can’t believe I’m so clumsy. So does this mean that when I capsize with my next gun, I’ve got to call the police? Or the coast guard?
Call the coast guard while you’re still in the salt chuck. You might get a ride on one of their cool boats.
Yea; Heh! And they’ll give you a citation for the oil slick from that gun.
I fear that the population will soon be called to defend the Second Amendment. We are living in dangerous times, my friends. If there is serious Federal gun control legislation coming down the road soon, and if Congress is foolish enough to pass it, I don’t really see how the government is going to disarm this country. I really don’t, especially in states like Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and I don’t even want to talk about the deep south. Nope, this can only end badly and it’s a needless confrontation. How many people died in the streets of Chicago during the gang violence there in the 1920s during Prohibition? Lots, yet even then there was never a call to ban weapons, and the weapons back then were just as deadly as they are now (only back then they had Thompson sub-machine guns as opposed to AR-15s). There will always be violence in a country as large as ours. But the answer to that violence is NOT to trash the Constitution. And gun owners need to make that point again, and again, and again.
The difference between the United States of the 1920s and the United States of today is simple; in the 1920s this was a country not yet rotted from within by Marxism/Leninism/Communism.
The US back then was still united by a single culture. Today the US has been forced into such extreme cultural diversity by Marxist/Communist politicians that it is no longer able to remain intact. I am very afraid that this country will break apart within the next decade as cultural differences have now become irreconcilable.
The Second Amendment may well become the tipping point to this national breakup as it graphically demonstrates just how great these differences have become – between the new Socialist Welfare State and traditional America. When the first armed “resistance” takes place between gun owners and US military detachments sent by Obama to disarm them, secession will become inevitable.
Right; Due to the polarization of ethnic and social differences for political gain.
I really do believe we’ll have to break up this nation so that some of us may retain our liberty: our ability to worship God as He reveals Himself in the Bible without being actively persecuted and assaulted by government. If the breakup doesn’t have the above as one of the central themes then I’m afraid any result will not be very good.
I see a breakup coming as the result, among other things (irreconcilable cultural differences among them) of the fact that the US as a nation is becoming too difficult to govern effectively, efficiently & at a reasonable cost.
In Japan a Muslim can not work there unless they work for the company that sent them there. Muslims are not allowed to Practice Islam in public or to build a place to worship Islam. Go Japan !!
Isn’t it true that when CA banned certain types of weapons, barely 1/3 of those weapon’s owners turned them in? In Canada : The firearms registry was a total failure, as a huge majority of Canadians refused to register them.
Does anyone really think that midwesterners, westerners, and southerners are MORE apt to comply with unconstitutional laws meant to criminalize self defense than were Californians and Canadians? Seriously?
This goes beyond left vs rights. There has been an explosion in gun ownership and conceal-carry over the last few years, and by no means were all those weapons sold to Constitutional conservatives or Republicans. Many Democrats also conceal carry, hunt, own firearms for home defense, and they know just as well how vital firearms ownership is to their safety.
Agree entirely. All you need for proof is to look at current trends. People fear that AR-15 style rifles and standard capacity 30rnd magazines may become banned soon, so what do they do? Buy every single AR-15 and mag on the market. Millions of them. Suppliers cannot even remotely keep up with demand.
Now if people were anticipating a ban, why would they spend $1500 on a rifle that they would just have to turn in? The obvious answer is that most of them have absolutely no intention of turning these weapons in. The recent spate of gun buying should send shivers down the spines of the anti-gun politicians. That was after all the intent of the 2nd amendment.
The path to disarming the citizens is simple. They won’t confiscate our guns. They will make it impossible to get ammunition.
If they try to do that it will simply create a black market for ammo.
I expect we will need those 30 round mags when the goons come after our guns.
I live in Flint, Mivhigan, one of, if not the most violent cities in the country. Our homicide rate is 61 per 100,000 which is much higher than Chicago at 18.5 or detroit at 54.5. WHY are the dems so against me having the ability to defend myself? Actually, I know; it’s not about the guns, it’s about control.
The world’s largest army… America ‘s hunters!
I had never thought about this but a blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:
There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin. Allow me to restate that number:600,000! Over the last several months, Wisconsin’s hunters became the eighth largest army in the world.
More men under arms than in Iran. More than France and Germany combined. These men deployed to the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin, to hunt with firearms, and no one was killed.
That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan’s 700,000 hunters, all of whom have now returned home safely. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world. And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states. It’s millions more.
The point? America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower. This is food for thought, when next we consider gun control.
Hunting…it’s not just a way to fill the freezer. It’s a matter of national security. That’s why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed.
Overall this is all true. If we disregard some assumptions that hunters don’t possess the same skills as soldiers, the question would still remain. What army of 2 million would want to face 30, 40, 50 million armed citizens???
For the sake of our freedom, don’t ever allow gun control or confiscation of guns.
Pure unadulterated totalitarianism on the march. Lincoln was right. This nation can only be destroyed from within. The mindset is nearly complete in Washington DC. Whether it’s gun grabbing or fiscal responsibility. ‘Do anything except actually deal with the problem’. This society has gone insane. Near total denial. We are lurching toward chaos and we deserve the madness, despair and anarchy we have bread into our people. Barack Hussein Obama is our Nero. Congress are his enablers.
bred not ‘bread’
“Congress are his enablers.”
Congress and the stinking MSM! Fred Barnes addresses this most annoying issue with a great piece here.
It’s a “NATIONAL CRISIS.” A real “NATIONAL CRISIS”, don’t you know. Every “NATIONAL CRISIS” demands irrational, immediate, and gratifying, Congressional and Presidential attention that makes all the supporting legislators look like they know better than anyone else. And most importantly, makes THEM feel good.
Because, the States have proven they can’t handle any CRISIS.
Constitution? We don’t need no stinkin, ineffective, outdated Constitution.
Tick, tick, tick, tick …… BOOM!
Detective, firearms expert, and student of the American scene, Techno, needs to study this:
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/160939/
Another statistic for Techno’s defense of tyranny.
Agree with Insta’s analysis. But I also think, in the case of the woman and her kids, 5 hits of even .38 spcl SHOULD have done the trick. She needs to choose better ammo.
That’s why I’ve always liked the .45 M1911 for close work. That, or a semi-auto .12 gage. If anyone can take multiple hits from that kinda fire power and keep coming, you’ve entered The Twlight Zone and you’re screwed, anyway.
There’s a time for rate of fire and there’s a time for stopping power. Go for both, whenever possible. Then, double-tap the target, whenever possible. Put ‘em down and make sure they stay down.
I do prefer the elegance of high-powered rifles and long distances, but, for close work? Stopping power all the way.
I thought this odd too. I wouldn’t be surprised if she fired in a panic and so missed the better target areas. Understandable, but a lesson for us all.
^^This.^^ If you’re going to own a weapon of any kind, you must practice with it regularly. “Practice makes perfect.”
A better choice for this woman may have been a pump action 12 gauge loaded with 00 Buckshot.
The pump action is extremely reliable and quick into action, and it makes a distinct sound that is guaranteed to get your undivided attention.
A long gun is generally easier to become proficient with than a handgun, so her shot placement could have been better.
The muzzle has this frickin HUGE hole in the end that is impossible to ignore if it’s pointing at you!
Since she was home, there was no need for her to conceal it, so size was not a detriment in this case.
If the sound of the pump jacking a shell into the chamber isn’t enough to dissuade an aggressor, then one or two rounds of 00 Buck to their midsection should do the trick – and I’m fairly confident the criminal would NOT have had the ability to make it to their vehicle and drive away.
cool this is where we have fun. A shotgun is good for psychological effect but it does have a problem long guns have indoors, they’re slow to slew and the flash/bang is temporarily blinding and deafening. Recoil recovery isn’t great either. But if used in a “trap” situation they are pretty good.
With .38 (about like a 9mm) I’d say her problem was with shot placement, meaning she didn’t spend enough time at the range getting more familiar with her weapon. She needs better “gun control”. But even so she had enough to ultimately protect her family. Now where was the man of the house?
Another ‘erroneous’ report for Techno to apply his evident propagandistic talents to, this time a report (2001) from the liars[/s] at Leiden University in Holland.
http://www.wnd.com/2001/03/8340/
Where’s the legislation to prohibit parents/adults from having guns in their homes where they have juvenile offenders, mentally challenged, or mentally ill children?
OOPs; That would cover too many Democrat/Liberal/Independent households. Guess We’ll never see any genuinely practical legislation like that ever introduced.
Folks, you know why Techno hasn’t shown up? He admitted that gun bans don’t work. All his arguments were just noise.
Here is a quote from Facebook:
“my school district in Butler Pennsylvania signed an emergency bill for our schools to be armed by retired state police officers. Our school has already seen an amazing decrease in fights in the school along with less trouble like stealing and bullying. Amazing how that works huh? Before the Armed presence there was an average of 3 fights a day in the high school last week only 2 were documented for the entire week.”
An interesting trend.
But, but, the all knowing MSM said that the NRA’s suggestion of having armed trained adults protecting children was ridiculous! You mean it works! The MSM doesn’t know anything!?
/sarc
I wish, I wish, that you would all stop being defensive about this push against guns, and start attacking the government’s absolutely awful record of dealing with mental health! Almost everyone is going to suffer from mental disabilities in the last years of their lives, so it matters to everyone–but the laws that meant that his mother had to either abandon her home or live with someone who she was trying to have legally removed because he was a “danger to himself or others” (!) made the tragedy! Same with Ms. Gifford in Arizona.
By changing the ground of the argument to guns, government avoids responsibility, again.
It is impossible to win your point by defending it, you can only stay where you are, or lose.
Start going to a church that teaches the bible instead of sunday morning “worship” consisting of “sit down, stand up, fight, fight, fight”. The bible has the solution for non medical psychological problems. And yes there are medical ones (one inlaw is sometimes prone to brain chemical imbalance).
You sound imbalanced; “No soup for you!”.
The first amendment to these bills should be to ban the depiction of any banned gun or gun-related item (magazine, folding stock, bayonet lug, silencer, etc) in this bill in any motion picture, video, or game that is introduced into interstate commerce. This would only involve commercial speech, not artistic expression. You could make Batman 4 in your basement for your own amusement and express yourself and friends with any manner of machine guns and as much horrific gun violence as you like. You just couldn’t make a buck off of it. I am actually serious. The second amendment to be offered should be that within 180 days of passage of the bill, all law enforcement officers (including Secret Service, Capitol Police, mayoral protection details, whatever) will be subject to the same terms as any other citizen of the US covered by this bill, while operating in the US. I am again serious. If banning guns solves the problem, there is no problem. Let Secret Service and police give up semi-automatic weapons, or high capacity magazines, whatever. If they go overseas where the law does not apply, they can have all the tacticool gear they want to ban, since the are behaving more or less like a military detail in a foreign country. See the people who want to ban certain guns struggle to defend rejecting either of these amendments. I am serious.
Ah, yes; It is working so well in the U.K. and Australia.
Poison pills to make people think. Seriously.
‘number one social injustice’; That would be Bobby Rush; street thug; former Black Panther…..How ’bout all the boz in the ‘hood’ who be getting wacked by the ‘banger’? I suggest we build a fence around the ‘hood’ in Chicago; supply the residents with guns and FREE ammo (they be likin’ that free stuff) and throw those who survive in jail! Problem solved, and we’d have ‘urban renewal’.
And have all the traffic cams converted to internet feed so we can watch like “reality TV”.
People like Bobby Rush wants to have their would be victims disarmed. Rather predictable, no?
Why is it that whenever there is a mass murder, the politicians immediately try to pass legislation that would have done nothing to prevent the mass murder?
Am I being cynical for suspecting that they are just using the crisis to advance their agenda?
You are not one of the privileged class known as “low information voter”.
Because desecrating the graves of children to pass your agenda is a proud tradition among gun banners. Our domestic enemies of the constitution look to how gun ban bills passed in other countries and try to emulate that here.
I predict that, because of the heinousness of the Sandy Hook massacre, there will be the political will this time around to restrict ownership of some types of guns.
This is not me being either for or against, it’s a PREDICTION of what will come to pass.
Such courage.
Nah, the news is already fading and there’s only so long the media can keep pimping the story. The Republicans in the house won’t pass any sort of gun ban, and the Democrats are unlikely to retake the house in 2014. Even the gun banners admit that they need to immediately exploit a tragedy to pass their agenda. Calling on this years from now won’t work. Don’t believe the lies that “it’s different this time” either, the media just says that because it’s what they so desperately want to believe and they hope that repeating it enough will make it come true, but it won’t.
On the front page of the local liberal rag this morning, lead paragraph of the article titled:
“More guns, less violence in gun-strict California.
Sacramento– California has millions more guns than it did 10 years ago. It also has thousands fewer gun injuries and deaths each year.”
I am anxiously awaiting the liberal spin on this.
We’ve got to work together on this as an electorate. Grassroots sites like StopTheGunBan have their own petitions circulating, with plans to hand deliver the signatures directly to Obama and Biden along with each Representative and Senator. 537 hard copies. I say we all get to work on getting this to fruition. Guns dont kill people, if they do then the fork makes people fat.
Many countries have strict gun laws and less guns and mass gun murdering. America has much less gun contol and more gun crime and mass murders using guns. I wonder if there is any correlation? Great Article, Thanks.
Jackie, you are right… except, how much ammo does this “army” have. The govmt stockpile is in the billions. Plus, they have all the big guy stuff… mortars, drones, tanks, etc. It sound like a no-win situation for us little guys to me.
Jim Moran is the last person in the world to try to take firearms away from sane people – his frequent events of road rage and violence toward such victims as a little Black boy and a 100 pound woman should give him more modesty in the violence area. Of course there is also his son . . .
If these SOBs don’t calm down and quit violating the law (i.e, the US Constitution) they are going to push the responsible people in the US to the point of desperation.
AS for the big guys having the big weapons – yes, they do, but they can’t nuke Battle Creek, MI, and see what the Afghan riflemen did to the Russians and are doing to our troops. All it takes is a rifle, the skill of a rifleman, a small quantity of ammo, an engaged and dedicated group of people and even dictators like Obama can’t win.
First the soap box, then the ballot box, then the jury box, and – finally – the cartridge box.
We’ve tried the first two without results. The judiciary are obsequious to the government and not impartial arbiters between the citizen and the government as they should be, so where do we go from here?
Molon labe
Here is a clip on Pistol Packin Dianne Feinstein on Armed self protection in 1995.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Dianne+Feinstein+Youtube+concealed+carry&view=detail&mid=CD04616F10158C49A1E6CD04616F10158C49A1E6&first=0