http://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=57

You think he would have killed more people shooting his magnum?

FACTS people . . .

Atlanta GA, 9mm & 45acp, 12 dead

Washington DC sniper, bushmaster .223, 10 dead

chicago laid off worker, 2003, walther pp .380, 7 dead.

ratzmann, 2005, church (talk about easy targets), 22 rounds of a 9mm, he killed 7 other people.

omaha, 2007 nine killed assault rifle

virginia tech massacre, .22 walter p22, and 9mm glock. He shot 174 rounds in 10 minutes, killing 30. using a 15 round mag in the glock, and a 10 round in the walther.

carnation, wa, 9mm & .357 revolver

chicago, 2008, 5 women die, dekalb, 2008 5 students die, alger, wa 2008, 6 killed, covina 2008, 9 dead, geneva 10 dead.

Let’s be real. The five-seven is one of the most lethally effective guns out there. If you look at all of the above incidents, you’ll notice the bigger the caliber of the weapon, the less lead you have to put into someone to kill someone (sorry this is so gruesome). A smaller weapon like a five-seven requires more rounds to stop someone BUT and here is the interesting part . . .

most of of the times (I have read this from police reports too) when a person gets shot, he goes down NOT because is “stopped” by the round, but because he is so surprised that he got shot. For the five-seven shooter, this meant that having such a large volume of fire meant he had great defensive capability, because touching someone with a bullet would send them down (even though they were physically able to continue).

I have always felt that the 45acp was the best weapon for home defense but seeing the results of the five-seven disaster has made me rethink this issue.

I think if I were protecting my home from a gang, the five-seven might be the best choice. You touch a gang member with a bullet he’ll go down from the surprise even if he’s not officially “stopped”, allowing you to prevent you from being attacked.

Notice also that this fort hood shooter only got stopped when he was RELOADING. Which means to me that the five-seven is so effective defensively that it is only because this shooter was bad at reloading that he got shot so early in his rampage.

Not that i would ever actually buy a five-seven for home defense. Who wants to spend $1,000 for a gun that so easily overpenetrates.

But I think the “bigger is better” people have to give credit to the gun. I think this guy would have killed a lot less people if he had been carrying a 45acp. Apparently there is something to being able to “spray” bullets. The large capacity magazine kept people from jumping him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fort_Hood_shooting#.22Thank_Goodness_for_.27Cop_Killer.27_Weapons.22

…(as they’re known to do), you’ll see that some several of the hoplophobes have attempted to refute the “lies” you’d purportedly uttered in your article by citing reviews of various types of 5.7x28mm rounds written by David Fortier and Michael O. Humphries (who had interviewed a Sheriff’s Dept. officer in Passaic County, NJ, and second-handed some results on ballistics tests conducted by department’s SWAT team).

Read Mr. Humphries’ interview of Capt. Lostan explaining why his SWAT team had all adopted the Five-seveN and how pleased they were with it. Then read what there is on those impact tests – on a cartridge type not commercial available for sale to “Guns Galore” patrons.

Mr. Owens, apart from plain damn’ common sense, how did you come to assert that the rounds used by Maj. Hasan were almost certainly of the SS197SR type (with the 40-grain Hornady V-Max projectile) and not the SS195LF 28-grain practice round? Or some left-over discontinued SS195 FMJ cartridges?

The gun-grabbers on Wikipedia have fixated on your supposedly prevaricative pretense to a knowledge they’d like to believe you could not know – or robustly infer.

These guys do really chap my ass, I tell you.

This one comment should be attached to all similar articles on handgun usage.

Sure, what else would they have? But the problem, in addition to facts you cite, will be that Maj. Hasan circulated amongst mental health pros for years without any of them being disturbed enough to act. It will make for an interesting defense though.

My question is whether the US Army will have the nerve to charge Maj. Hasan with treason: Levying War? Debatable. Adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort? Recent reports on his activities could be used to make that case.

I am not now nor have I ever been a member of any military of law enforcement agency, nor am I a trained ballistics expert, nor a medical examiner, nor do I claim to be any of those things.

Guns are devices, tools, neither evil nor good, right or wrong, not black,, not white.

I own an XDM… it’s basically a Glock 17 and has been referred to as a weapon of mass destruction by Congressmen.

.22′s, 9′s, .45′s, all are lethal in their unique way.

All weapons are either offensive, or defensive. Used for good, or for evil. How good each model do their job or not is irrelevant to the Hood tragedy, but it’s an emotion amplifier for the fear mongers over the fearful.

Frankly, I tremble some when I think about the events and how they must have unfolded, and wonder if I was there, armed or unarmed what I would or could have done or not done.

The evil is what kills… always been that way, always will be.

Weapon choice (stick, rock, sword, bow & arrow, baseball bat, gun, or micro-laser blaster, etc.) is a matter of efficiency to carry out evil.

PS. Yet another example of the “gun free zone” in action. It’s what the suicide crowd love… calculating how many unarmed sheep they can they slaughter before the armed protectors show up and move in.

School. mall, federal building, now military base? Suicidal terrorist or suicidal nut case is the same difference to me.
They suffer from a serious mental disorder caused by a chronic mineral deficiency, nothing a little copper and lead won’t cure.

But, of course, the Wikipedia apparatchik responding says that there’s not enough proof of Mr. Owens’ qualifications to speak as a firearms expert, so they’re not going to soil their site with a dirty, awful, horrible Pajamas Media citation.

Mr. Owens? You reading this? Care to put up a truncated curriculum vitae attesting to your bona fides in this matter?

The high velocity shock wave from the 5-7 damages tissue not associated with the wound wound channel.

The .357 sig and the 9×19 are about the same size the only real difference is the velocity.

Ya’ll know this but send out this misinformation that smaller high velocity rounds are safer than lower velocity large caliber.

Stop trying to pretend that the weapon had nothing to do with the resulting deaths.

Everyone who has bought a weapon knows different weapons are suited for different applications.

Some weapons are better than others.

The 5-7 did what it was designed to do.

Don’t put down the weapon to further your political agenda.