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		<title>By: dealers truck</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/testimony-on-assault-weapons-guts-obamas-90-percent-lie/#comment-1975442</link>
		<dc:creator>dealers truck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 00:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello!,I like your writing so a lot! proportion we communicate extra approximately your post on AOL? I need a specialist on this house to resolve my problem. Maybe that is you! Having a look forward to look you.</description>
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		<title>By: Ashley Washington</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/testimony-on-assault-weapons-guts-obamas-90-percent-lie/#comment-1596697</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley Washington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The aurthor of this is a brainless thinking lunatic!This is the worse Article I&#039;ve Ever Seen in my life.I dearly hope you go back and Re-edit this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The aurthor of this is a brainless thinking lunatic!This is the worse Article I&#8217;ve Ever Seen in my life.I dearly hope you go back and Re-edit this.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/testimony-on-assault-weapons-guts-obamas-90-percent-lie/#comment-1350304</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 02:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BC: My understanding is that you are supposed to read the column before commenting on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BC: My understanding is that you are supposed to read the column before commenting on it.</p>
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		<title>By: SporkLift Driver</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/testimony-on-assault-weapons-guts-obamas-90-percent-lie/#comment-1117053</link>
		<dc:creator>SporkLift Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guns manufactured in or imported into the USA have that info stamped into the steel. If the Mexican authorities didn&#039;t send a gun to ATF then it almost certainly was never in the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guns manufactured in or imported into the USA have that info stamped into the steel. If the Mexican authorities didn&#8217;t send a gun to ATF then it almost certainly was never in the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: SporkLift Driver</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/testimony-on-assault-weapons-guts-obamas-90-percent-lie/#comment-1117041</link>
		<dc:creator>SporkLift Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every gun made in the USA or legally imported into the USA has information about the manufacture or importation stamped onto the metal of the gun. Do you think the Mexican authorities would miss that? It&#039;s no stretch to conclude that the majority of weapons that weren&#039;t handed over to the ATF didn&#039;t come from the USA.

That whole article you linked was full of such avoidance of the obvious while simultaneously leaping to far fetched conclusions. It was quite painful to read that cheap hack job. You&#039;re not the author are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every gun made in the USA or legally imported into the USA has information about the manufacture or importation stamped onto the metal of the gun. Do you think the Mexican authorities would miss that? It&#8217;s no stretch to conclude that the majority of weapons that weren&#8217;t handed over to the ATF didn&#8217;t come from the USA.</p>
<p>That whole article you linked was full of such avoidance of the obvious while simultaneously leaping to far fetched conclusions. It was quite painful to read that cheap hack job. You&#8217;re not the author are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Flit Andersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flit Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 00:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;lies&quot; didn&#039;t start with Obama. The Left has been lying about American firearms for many years. One of the &quot;Clintonistas&quot; had 11 US children being accidentally shot every day. An outrageous lie. Ten times as many children drown in swimming pools as get killed by bullets. But Hillary &quot;For-the-Children&quot; never suggested a bad on pools. 
Grow up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;lies&#8221; didn&#8217;t start with Obama. The Left has been lying about American firearms for many years. One of the &#8220;Clintonistas&#8221; had 11 US children being accidentally shot every day. An outrageous lie. Ten times as many children drown in swimming pools as get killed by bullets. But Hillary &#8220;For-the-Children&#8221; never suggested a bad on pools.<br />
Grow up!</p>
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		<title>By: IRR</title>
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		<dc:creator>IRR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to beat a dead horse here but I&#039;m a little confused and could use some help.

A few questions for the author:

- Could you please link Agent McMahon&#039;s testimony in which he provides the figures to clarify the famous 90%?  This would be helpful for all of us trying to understand the facts and how this 90% confusion was generated.  This would help me understand the differences between the figures you quote - 100,000 seized in Mexico, etc - to what is quoted by FOX and others - 29,000, etc.  Perhaps you are looking at seizures over a longer period of time?  It&#039;s not clear, and linking to McMahon&#039;s figures (just as you linked to the FOX piece), would at least help me calculate these percentages along with you.

- Can you please explain how you get from an 18% figure quoted at the top of your article to the 8% figure you use by the middle and the end?  Is the 10% a difference between traceable guns originating in the US and traceable guns SOLD at gun stores?  Or is this merely a typo?  If 8% is the percentage of guns traced to gun store transactions, shouldn&#039;t we simply refer to the 18% figure since what Obama and Clinton and members of Congress were referencing were guns traced to the US and not specifically traced to gun shop sales?

- Although the ATF finally clarified their statistics, it is important to note to that the ATF were the ones to originally sew this confusion.  To make it clear, linking Mexican violence to US guns has been, and continues to be, a major talking point of the ATF this entire year.  Please note Zachriel&#039;s link in #41 (McMahon himself) as well as statements made by ATF Agents on March 17, 2009 (Agents Hoover and Newell, I believe): http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/cngrtest/ct031709.pdf.

- What is the basis of this statement? &quot;But only a fraction of the guns recovered by the Mexican authorities were turned over to the ATF, because most of the weapons recovered had markings that clearly identified their origins in other countries.&quot;

- Finally, one quick thing with this statement here:

&quot;The majority of American weapons that find their way into the hands of Mexican drug cartels come from stolen weapons, or firearms that were obtained in person-to-person sales without a licensed gun dealer being involved. These person-to-person sales are often erroneously cited as evidence of a “gun show loophole” in the media, because person-to-person sales frequently take place at these venues (licensed dealers must perform NICS background checks, whether they are at a gun show or they are at their storefront location). The fact of the matter, however, is that these sales can legally take place nearly anywhere guns are not specifically banned.&quot;

You state that half of these guns come from either stolen firearms (some citations for this statement would be helpful) or person to person sales.  If we were to assume that a sizeable chunk came from person to person sales, what are we to do to discourage sales like these from ending up as illegally smuggled guns in Mexico?


In Summary, if you want to go after anyone here, it would seem like you could make a much more reasonable case of going after the ATF rather than politicians who are given talking points and short briefings by aides and department heads (read: the ATF).  I wouldn&#039;t chock this up so quickly to a deliberate attempt by the Obama Administration to misinform the American people (read: LIE) as a mishandling of the facts (by many people, including the ATF).  Was there whiff of political rhetoric at play here?  Sure.  Is it a coincidence that these numbers came out right around the time that Obama and Clinton visited Mexico?  Is it a coincidence that these numbers came out during discussions over budgetary allocations and the economic stimulus package?  Certainly numbers like the old 90%  could help justify larger budgets over at ATF, couldn&#039;t they?

Here&#039;s a link to another attempt to explain the ATF figures from a group that claims to be nonpartisan but probably leans left (it shouldn&#039;t matter, should it?):

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/counting-mexicos-guns/


Finally, for those in the comments concerned about &quot;whistleblower&quot; McMahon, don&#039;t you worry about his career.  He&#039;ll be just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to beat a dead horse here but I&#8217;m a little confused and could use some help.</p>
<p>A few questions for the author:</p>
<p>- Could you please link Agent McMahon&#8217;s testimony in which he provides the figures to clarify the famous 90%?  This would be helpful for all of us trying to understand the facts and how this 90% confusion was generated.  This would help me understand the differences between the figures you quote &#8211; 100,000 seized in Mexico, etc &#8211; to what is quoted by FOX and others &#8211; 29,000, etc.  Perhaps you are looking at seizures over a longer period of time?  It&#8217;s not clear, and linking to McMahon&#8217;s figures (just as you linked to the FOX piece), would at least help me calculate these percentages along with you.</p>
<p>- Can you please explain how you get from an 18% figure quoted at the top of your article to the 8% figure you use by the middle and the end?  Is the 10% a difference between traceable guns originating in the US and traceable guns SOLD at gun stores?  Or is this merely a typo?  If 8% is the percentage of guns traced to gun store transactions, shouldn&#8217;t we simply refer to the 18% figure since what Obama and Clinton and members of Congress were referencing were guns traced to the US and not specifically traced to gun shop sales?</p>
<p>- Although the ATF finally clarified their statistics, it is important to note to that the ATF were the ones to originally sew this confusion.  To make it clear, linking Mexican violence to US guns has been, and continues to be, a major talking point of the ATF this entire year.  Please note Zachriel&#8217;s link in #41 (McMahon himself) as well as statements made by ATF Agents on March 17, 2009 (Agents Hoover and Newell, I believe): <a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/cngrtest/ct031709.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/cngrtest/ct031709.pdf</a>.</p>
<p>- What is the basis of this statement? &#8220;But only a fraction of the guns recovered by the Mexican authorities were turned over to the ATF, because most of the weapons recovered had markings that clearly identified their origins in other countries.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Finally, one quick thing with this statement here:</p>
<p>&#8220;The majority of American weapons that find their way into the hands of Mexican drug cartels come from stolen weapons, or firearms that were obtained in person-to-person sales without a licensed gun dealer being involved. These person-to-person sales are often erroneously cited as evidence of a “gun show loophole” in the media, because person-to-person sales frequently take place at these venues (licensed dealers must perform NICS background checks, whether they are at a gun show or they are at their storefront location). The fact of the matter, however, is that these sales can legally take place nearly anywhere guns are not specifically banned.&#8221;</p>
<p>You state that half of these guns come from either stolen firearms (some citations for this statement would be helpful) or person to person sales.  If we were to assume that a sizeable chunk came from person to person sales, what are we to do to discourage sales like these from ending up as illegally smuggled guns in Mexico?</p>
<p>In Summary, if you want to go after anyone here, it would seem like you could make a much more reasonable case of going after the ATF rather than politicians who are given talking points and short briefings by aides and department heads (read: the ATF).  I wouldn&#8217;t chock this up so quickly to a deliberate attempt by the Obama Administration to misinform the American people (read: LIE) as a mishandling of the facts (by many people, including the ATF).  Was there whiff of political rhetoric at play here?  Sure.  Is it a coincidence that these numbers came out right around the time that Obama and Clinton visited Mexico?  Is it a coincidence that these numbers came out during discussions over budgetary allocations and the economic stimulus package?  Certainly numbers like the old 90%  could help justify larger budgets over at ATF, couldn&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to another attempt to explain the ATF figures from a group that claims to be nonpartisan but probably leans left (it shouldn&#8217;t matter, should it?):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/counting-mexicos-guns/" rel="nofollow">http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/counting-mexicos-guns/</a></p>
<p>Finally, for those in the comments concerned about &#8220;whistleblower&#8221; McMahon, don&#8217;t you worry about his career.  He&#8217;ll be just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachriel</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/testimony-on-assault-weapons-guts-obamas-90-percent-lie/#comment-361757</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not even close. Out of 100000 firearms seized, 20000 were analyzed by ATF. Of those analyzed, 90% came from the United States. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/cngrtest/ct032709.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DOJ&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;&lt;i&gt;According to ATF’s Tracing Center, 90 percent of the firearms about which ATF receives information are traceable to the United States.&lt;i&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not even close. Out of 100000 firearms seized, 20000 were analyzed by ATF. Of those analyzed, 90% came from the United States. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/cngrtest/ct032709.pdf" rel="nofollow">DOJ</a>: &#8220;<i>According to ATF’s Tracing Center, 90 percent of the firearms about which ATF receives information are traceable to the United States.</i><i>&#8220;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Eddie MacIsaac</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/testimony-on-assault-weapons-guts-obamas-90-percent-lie/#comment-361604</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie MacIsaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sucksretary of State Clinton claimed that 100% of all automatic weapons in Mexico came across the border from the US. Her error rate runs consistently between  85% to 95%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sucksretary of State Clinton claimed that 100% of all automatic weapons in Mexico came across the border from the US. Her error rate runs consistently between  85% to 95%.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Baker</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/testimony-on-assault-weapons-guts-obamas-90-percent-lie/#comment-359266</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why has the Hillary and the One stopped pressing this argument?  I thought they were on a dad gum roll until the facts started getting in the way.  Don&#039;t worry, useful idiots, they will be back with another unassailable statistic to promote their agenda as soon as we all forget about this misfire.  Sort of like global warming morphing into climate change, eh?  Same agenda, just a new, less assailable, story line.  This stuff is straight from the communist book of propaganda.  Obama and his handlers are all communists.  Even the Democrat party didn&#039;t want to go that far.  They were just concerned about wrapping up the loyalty of minority voters, which they did.  
   Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why has the Hillary and the One stopped pressing this argument?  I thought they were on a dad gum roll until the facts started getting in the way.  Don&#8217;t worry, useful idiots, they will be back with another unassailable statistic to promote their agenda as soon as we all forget about this misfire.  Sort of like global warming morphing into climate change, eh?  Same agenda, just a new, less assailable, story line.  This stuff is straight from the communist book of propaganda.  Obama and his handlers are all communists.  Even the Democrat party didn&#8217;t want to go that far.  They were just concerned about wrapping up the loyalty of minority voters, which they did.<br />
   Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.</p>
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