Tea Party Defines Losing as Winning
Toward the end of the 1964 Cold War nightmare of a film Fail-Safe, the American Strategic Air Command is working directly with their Soviet counterparts to bring down two remaining Vindicator bombers that have been mistakenly dispatched to bomb Moscow due to a failed circuit in the fail-safe device.
The American General Bogan is giving the position of the bombers to the Soviet General Nevsky over the phone linking SAC with the Russian defense headquarters. He tells the Russian that they can ignore the lead plane because it only contains defensive countermeasures and no bombs. Concentrate on getting the other plane, Bogan tells Nevsky.
But Nevsky says, “Thank you General Bogan. We shall go for the kill anyway.”
On the status board, dozens of Soviet planes converge on the unarmed American bomber while Bogan screams into the phone: “I tell you, it doesn’t carry any bombs. You don’t have to worry about it!”
Too late — the movement of Soviet aircraft has created a perfect corridor for the nuclear armed bomber to slip through and, thanks to the inexplicable decision by the Soviet general, it will definitely be able to hit Moscow.
The Soviet general went for the kill rather than victory and paid the price for it. One gets a similar feeling when examining what has become of the tea party movement and its effect on Republican chances to win in November.
In politics, there is victory and there is defeat. Nothing else matters. If one wishes to pretend otherwise, the victors will disabuse those so enamored of such fantasies in short order. The raw exercise of power in a democracy demands a majority won through the ballot box. If you come up a little short, no one will pat you on the back for trying your best. You’re either on the outs or you’re in — a cold calculation that seems to have been lost on those who believe elections are about something else besides winning and losing.
The tea party folk are on cloud nine this week following several victories on Tuesday night. And why not? They took a fatally flawed candidate in Delaware — a deadbeat who stopped paying her mortgage, a tax dodge, a radical, out-of-the-mainstream social conservative — and elevated her to the status of fiscal warrior and Constitutional saint, defeating a flawed (but not half as blemished) moderately liberal Republican who almost certainly would have waltzed to victory in November.
Jeri Thompson is telling us that Christine O’Donnell is like Sarah Palin and just needs GOP “establishment” support to win in November. She will need considerably more than that, including one of those neuralizers from Men in Black to flash the entire population of Delaware and make them forget some of the loonier things O’Donnell has said about sex, about Vince Foster, and about her own financial history about which she has lied and lied again.
I guess the question is (or was), how “liberal” was this Castle? If he was a John Mccain clone, I imagine most tea partiers would have voted from him and taken that sure win. A Rino who agrees with 70% of your agenda is better than a liberal who has nothing in common with you.
I hear Castle was unpleasant as a republican.
No need to speculate. All you need to know is that all of the ‘regular’ GOP picks (Crist, Murkowski, Castle) have refused to abide by the election results by running scorched-earth independent campaigns, refusing to endorse the winner, or by refusing to concede. Castle might get character vouchers from Gingrich and Krauthammer and Rove, but the fact is he behaved like a punk-ass weasel when the chips were down, and that’s all you need to know about anybody.
Been out drinking with Karl lately, Rick?
There he said it and he’s glad: “In politics, there is victory and there is defeat. Nothing else matters.” Another way of saying it is go ahead and use an organization like ACORN to cheat and steal a victory if you must. Another way of saying it is win by any means necessary. Another way to say it is murder the other side’s candidate if you must, but win.
You must be very proud of your axx, Moran, showing it off in public like you just did. If you don’t like the duly selected candidate of your party from another state, one who is not a felon or certifiably insane, why can’t you just STFU and let those who selected the candidate live with the results. Oh no. You know better, you know the future and YOU should be selecting all the candidates from every state. YOU need to smear the candidate and help the other side win. You, Rove and Charles K. are way out of line on this one. I am so proud that you have joined with the wanker journolisters in the great argument to show that masturbation is superior to regular sex. Good show.
You make sens, there. This is by no means meant to denigrate what you said, but as a furriner I’m curious; what is it about masturbation that makes it a make-or-break issue in American politics? As far as I can gather, O’Donnell is unelectable because she doesn’t masturbate. Is the fear that she will single-handedly pass legislation to outlaw masturbation? Or is the mere failure to masturbate proof of some disqualifying mental or moral failing?
Seriously, Rick, is this the most substantive argument you have to offer against O’Donnell – that she’s not a wanker?
Let’s ask those with porn / sex addictions if masturbation is a problem for them.
You can be sure that when people say the Ten Commandments are unreasonable, what they mean is that they forbid something these folks refuse to quit doing. It’s likely not masturbation that is the ‘issue’ for these folks, but how many people could they get upset if bestiality was objected to?
I may be wrong but didn’t Ms. O’Donnell only address the issue of masturbation on the part of married people? I thought her point was that in marriage sex should be something that you share with your partner and that masturbation is something inconsistent with that.
Oops – sorry, “sense”.
“Is the fear that she will single-handedly pass legislation to outlaw masturbation? Or is the mere failure to masturbate proof of some disqualifying mental or moral failing?”
Who are you , foreigner, who are so wise in the ways of Librul American politics? You have accurately diagnosed their psycho-sexual psychoses.
See we have this cadre, connected by an internet cabal called the Journolist (a list of journalists, propagandists really, who used to coordinate their attacks against American conservatives, most especially Ms. Palin, via an exclusive internet site, similar to the Yale Elizabethan Club (you know, invitation only, no clinger-corn belt-non-Ivy-leaguers allowed). They are young Leftist “Turks”, excuse my laughing at my own little joke, who felt they had to pretend to disband because they were pretending to be ashamed of what they were doing.
Anyway this group, now allegedly communicating through onion-skin letters or such, were much given to masturbation, sometimes in public at, say, a Walmart. They were young, had strong drives for release, and were too busy to bother with, shall we say, women other than Ms. Palin, whose very appearance seemed to pour gasoline on the fire of their sexual drives. They dug up an old statement of Ms. O’Donnell’s in which she expressed the “insane notion” as they see it (but widely held in the first 3/4s of the 1900s) that there may be something lacking in masturbation that was not lacking in regular sex, i.e., another human being, love, caring, and as we now say, whatever. So they jumped on her years-old statement, for had she not stabbed them in their…hearts, using it to verbally burn her at the stake of their own fires before an audience of their witch-hating readers and to try to ruin her chances of being elected.
Hope this has been helpful. Normally, ars longa, vita bravis. In this case ars bravis, vita longa.
You’re right, the Tea Party should have gone for the Victory.
Like with Jeffords and Spectre.
Victory, Right.
Exactly. I do not define “winning” as electing a Liberal under the Republican banner. That is called surrendering before the fight. It would have been heads they win, tails we lose. Calling him a “moderate” and ignoring his long list of indefensible votes does not make him a suitable Republican. If the GOP wants our votes they’ll have to do better. If they don’t want O’Donnell, then offer us something viable (not just electable). I’m not a social conservative but I’ll put up with that flaw over Castle’s Liberalism.
Instead of weeping and gnashing your teeth, how about getting aboard and backing Ms. O’Donnell? Or is it more important to you to say “I told you so” than to win.
The Tea Party is not a branch of the Republican Party. They are the millions of people who lost faith during the six years of profligate spending, corruption, and pork under a Republican executive and congress. And now they are outraged by the current leftist regime. They want the ruling class out; both Democrat and Republican.
What do you want Mr. Moran, the status quo of the past ten years? No thanks.
I agree. The Tea Party is in this for the long haul, not just for the chairmanship positions in the next session of Congress. True, from time to time, being a young movement, we might pick some less than adequate candidates, but the result of this is still a win/win for the Tea Party movement if you widen your gaze far enough.
ex animo
davidfarrar
You’re exactly right. The author is not considering the big picture. 16 years after we gave Republicans the keys, we have a Democratic supermajority in the senate, dominant Democratic control of the house, a radically left president, not to mention the two supreme court seats that are lost for years. The country is moving to the right in a big way, so I say err on the side of conservatism. For every O’Donnell (who is actually very much in the race in my opinion), we have a Rubio and a Toomey. And that is just on the national stage. Tea Partiers are helping paint governorships and state houses red as well. Sure there will be some unelectable nominees here and there, but this is about a lasting movement, not one senate race in 2010.
The Tea Party did not rise up to RINO Hunt, it was Americans sick and tired of big wasteful Washington government. The people have tried everything they could over the last decade and nothing has worked until now. The Tea Party at its core doesn’t give a tinker’s damn about whether the Republicans regain a majority in either House, what they care about is putting an end to the out of control government spending and waste. There will be stumbles along the way because there are a whole of good choices out there yet, but 2010 is just the start and if the career criminals in Washington don’t wake up or those recently elected turn there backs on the people again then 2012 and beyond will be a continuing blood bath for the establishment of both parties. The people want answers and for their representatives to represent them, so crazy things are going to happen and continue to happen until the people get what they want. The Tea Party is not a exclusive club for RINO Hunters or social conservatives, but rather a loose group of confederates based on the idea of fiscal conservatism. This is why you see all kind of crazy crap being attributed to them as they are not just one automatronic group of sheep willing to be lead over every cliff in sight. You might be able to trick some of them some of the time, but you are no longer able to trick all of them all the time.
It was disheartening last night to find Christine the butt of late night TV.
There was even a poll about her views on condoms from 2002, to call in and vote if she was “fit” to hold office!! Fit to hold office!!
What the heck is our nation up to? Castle also reportedly got a call from Obama and Biden yesterday? Backroom politics is completely out of control and that is what this election is about to us. Getting the politics back in the hands of the “people’, not career politicians.
Castle is a narrow minded little man. I hope she raises millions and trounces the Democrat. It’s NOT about republican vs democrat. It’s about not wanting politics as normal and shoving things down our throats.
I just hope we do not end up with Specters and Mike Browns in our mist.
Status quo for the past ten years? These maroons have been at it far longer than that. The march towards socialism started ~100 years ago.
Sorry, you are correct about the last 100 years, I was thinking more about the recent failures after Reagan starting about ten years ago with how the Republicans had control and pissed it all away by being Democrat-Lite. We can only hope that this election cycle is the start of the return to fiscal conservativism and end to the progressive era, but I don’t hold out much hope that the current Republican leadership has the stones to do what is truly needed and touch some third rails.
We don’t need to rely on the stones of the GOP elite. ‘We The People’ have the stones and will change what must be changed.
This is by far the most exciting (sometimes depressing too) times I’ve ever witnessed in American politics. I regret that my Dad isn’t alive to see it. He loved following politics and would have loved seeing rinos falling left and right. I think he detested them more than I do.
Fiscal conservatism yes, but the social conservatism doesn’t sell well. Adding fuel to the anti-O’Donnell fire doesn’t help, but I think Moran’s comments and those of Rove should be taken into context…this is not a political battle this is a war. You don’t concede ground to the enemy on nobel grounds, if it hurts your cause. But then again, after watching interviews with ‘Tea Party’ representatives, I have no clue what they really are anymore.
As “Bear” is a Leftist TROLL…I really don’t *care* what Bear says about the Tea Party.
Go get your paycheck at the Astroturf store, child.
It is similar to playing Texas Holde’m. Most of the time you play only premium hands, (AA, AK, KK, AQ, QQ etc…) but sometimes you play 8,7 and hope to hit a lucky hand. Most of the Tea Party candidates like Miller or Toomey are solid and will perform well against the liberal candidates they face. O’Donnel is definitely a less than premium hand. It seems the RNSC loves small pocket pairs like Murkowski and Castle, but they dont play well against most hands even though they are better than even money to win before the flop.
Another guy holding to an outdated paradigm. Hey, dummy, it is NOT about control of the Senate by Republicans. It is about control of out-of-control politicians.
Political Parties are supposed to be a means to an end, not an end in themselves. The goal is supposed to be what is best for America, not what is best for the Party and its institutional politicos.
There have been multitudinous cries for term limits. We already have them. It is called voting the bums out. Jackass Castle just got term-limited. He was terminated. Given his pink slip. That sound in DE of some completely screwed up candidate beating a strong institutional politico was the sound of the door hitting him in the ***. It is a warning to the rest. Get your act together or get hit by the door.
And screw Karl Rove, crying about the lost potential majority and the power that goes with it. Bite me, you grotesque failure. You helped screw up the country. You got your pink slip, and now your buddies are getting theirs. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
An effective executive is liberal with the use of the axe. The boss (the people) are making heads roll. It is glorious.
Amen, bro. I just want to know who came up with the paradigm that we’re supposed to put RINOs on the ticket just because a state seems to point liberal. It’s stereotyping the voter, pure and simple. RINOs satisfy NO ONE.
DITTO Marc!!
Marc, you are right about Rove. The guy advised G.W.Bush, who became a RINO president. I would much rather vote for a Democrat who always voted with the Republicans than a Republican that voted with the Democrats. Castle voted for cap and tax. Now, what kind of conservative would vote for that monstrosity? Castle is just an arrogant RINO, deserves to be voted out of office. The guy was in politics for 40 years and wanted to die on the floor of Congress like Byrd of WV.
What a perfect movie for RINO Rick to choose for his metaphor. This film is a leftist anti-McCarthy trope which largely paints America and the Soviets as at least equally culpable in the Cold War. I’d argue Fail Safe attempts to scare-monger viewers into believing the real threat during the Cold War emanated not from world and domestic communism, but from robotic right-wing American fanatics such as the one played by Walter Matthau to the sinister hilt (playing a Joe McCarthy cartoon character). It’s absurd premise was that a thoughtless American mistake leads to the vaporization of Moscow and then NYC.
In a splendid parallel to the anti-American Obama, the notoriously anti-American actor Henry Fonda plays the US President, (you know, sire of the even more vile anti-American “Hanoi Jane” Fonda). Of course it’s mostly America’s fault in the film — or more accately, it’s the fault of the “extreme right wing” in America, and their robotic unwillingness to compromise with the ever reasonable humanist American lefties like President Fonda, who are all depicted as thoughtful in the film. The Cold War is literally seen through the lens of American hubris, and the Soviets, while, depicted as paranoid, are mainly depicted as being so in response to the scary dangerous Extreme Right Wing American War Mongers ™. At least back in the day, (unlike today under Obama), communist sympathizers like Fonda and the lefties who produced this film couldn’t come out openly with their commie sympathies, and were required to depict the Soviets in a darker more sinister and therefore realistic manner.
If memory serves, in a wonderful display of his presidential priorities, President Obama, er Fonda decides in the film to trade NYC for Moscow once the American bombers accidentally get through. You know, protect and defend the Constitution and the American People all that lame old stuff.
So this is just about perfect – Moran treats us to a lecture using one of the most slanted films of communist apologetics, to explain that the Tea Party is about robotic extreme right wingers who will happily sacrifice their cause rather than compromising with the nice commies.
Hey RINO Rick! Isn’t compromising with the fricking commies in America (by both Dems and Reps) what brought us to this dreadful debacle in the first place?
Fail Safe is part of the Modus Operandi of the Hollywood left. Dr. Strangelove, Crimson Tide (a very similar movie), and even Jane Fonda did her own fail safe failure movie about evil nuclear power in The China Syndrome. Maybe Rick made the parallel because now the Tea Party backed candidates are destroying the establishment, the establishment is going to self destroy their own party in order to save it, or some such, who can tell with these entrenched RINOs.
You refer often in your article to the Republicans and imply that the win by O’Donnell will prevent the GOP from capturing the Senate. I don’t get the sense the Tea Party is actually aligned with the GOP. I think they put their convictions above the desire to win. I am not finding fault with your article buit rather suggesting that you may not fully grasp the motivations of the Tea Party.
You seem to be under the impression that the Tea Party is working towards getting GOP candidates elected in November. Putting Party ahead of philosophy is what got us to the current situation, especially in the eyes of many in the Tea Party. Their objectives are not perfectly aligned with your objectives. Electing moderates in order to gain Republicans committee chairmanships is not the Tea Party’s goal.
I am utterly awe struck . . . unfreaking believeable . . . what rock did you crawl out from under . . . OMG . . . a Republican that SOUNDS LIKE a DEMOCRAT . . . Get Your A$$ back in the closet!!!
Best ignored.
Well, certainly bashing the tea party and it’s candidates will help republican chances this fall.
you’re a freakin’ genius!!!
I hope that you elite republicans will stop your tantrums soon and get with the program. How do we achieve any chanage in Washington if we send the same turkeys back there every year. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result! The tea party wants candidates who stand for fiscal control, traditional values, and free market economy. Some bozo like Casall voted 45% of the time for the other side. If ODonnel is not right she will be voted out in the 2012 when her partial term expires.
I think she will go on to win Delaware!! Her opposition is not exactly a perfect candidate either.
Get over it and get with the program. Yes I also mean Bill Crystal, Carl Rove, Fred Barnes and Charles K!
If someone who votes only half of the time with Obama is acceptable, just wait. There will be a ton of Dems running against Obama’s programs who will fit that particular bill!
So, you missed the point of the article. Someone that votes with Obama 45% of the time is better than someone who votes with Obama 100% of the time. Get it.
And so it is not just David Brooks and Peggy Noonan that are elitist now…it is Karl Rove and Charles Krouthammer. The Tea Party is fast becoming a single issue idea and will soon marginalize itself right out of relevancy.
I understand you are on a high about “winning” some primaries but try to remember “pride goeth before a fall”.
“Someone that votes with Obama 45% of the time is better than someone who votes with Obama 100% of the time.”
Which is true, and (IMO) the point isn’t lost on the tea partiers. That’s why they voted for the centrist Scot Brown, and not the obscure libertarian candidate who also ran in that special election.
A Rino who votes with Obama 45% is bearable. But what if he votes with him 55%? 60%? 65%? At which point do you allow your principles to tip the scale over voting for a electable RINO who might serve at least some of your agenda?
If Castle was a RINO in the John Mccain mold, I think the tea party would have voted for him. But he’s barely even that.
Depends on which bills the 45% supports. More stimulus? Bail out GMC? Obamacare? Cap and Tax? If cap and tax were to pass, who knows when the economy would recover. The fact that the Dems dropped this, means even they know the bill would have a bad effect on the economy. A Republican who thinks like a Democrat terms might as well be a Democrat. Ever hear of Arlen Spectre?
“The Tea Party is fast becoming a single issue idea”
Where do you get that crap. The Tea Party I know is multi-issue and on most of it I agree. There are a few people still ragging on about NAFTA, but for the most part it’s conservatives, both fiscal and social. What is this single issue you talk about?
“ione” has repeatedly here used the “single issue” theme here.
Just the lastest FAILED attempt by an ASTROTURF troll.
As if the U.S. Constitution were a “single issue” matter.
PTUI!!!
You JUST made my point. I am not a troll. I have been a conservative all my life. Started out working the phone for Nixon. My first disappointment was the Goldwater loss. So I was conservative before it was cool with Reagan.
What I mean by single issue is the attitude I have been seeing on the discussion forums the last two days. If I don’t absolutely love Sarah Palin and every candidate the Tea Party endorses then well I am a troll, an elite, a country club republican, a RINO. If I don’t imediately turn my back on Karl Rove, Charles K and snear at them like all the Tea Party people then I am a RINO. It is either the Tea Party all the way or I am not a conservative. It is like people making “term limits” or “abortion” or “gay rights” or “environment” the only issue they will vote on. You are in danger of turning the Tea Party Movement into an issue such as that. I agree with the Tea Party on almost every issue. But, that is not good enough it is 100% or nothing and I better smile while I do it. Now. does that explain it? By the way don’t talk to me about the Founders. I am a member of the Daughters of the American Revolution. Which means I am related to the Founders. We have been having Constitution Week Celebrations and celebrating Geo. Washington’s Birthday and the founders for 150 years. Glad you and your Tea Party finally woke up. I’ve been awake longer than Glenn Beck. So maybe you’re the troll.
@ione: I think the tenor of the comments here is a reaction to the slap against O’Donnell that Mr. Moran has put forward in his article. In normal conversation, I do not hear Tea Partiers saying to anyone, “If you don’t like our candidates, then you are .” Heck, there is no monolithic Tea Party.
But in this article, Moran is calling O’Donnell a worthless candidate, and saying that people were wrong to vote for her. It’s one thing to criticize O’Donnell or any other candidate, and it’s fair to talk about strategy at a higher level than local elections. But Moran’s rant is a bit over the top. It’s clear that he does not “get it”, or he would be more tactful in his criticism. Maybe he just had a bad day (a hangover or whatever) when he wrote it, but he’s earned the pushback he is receiving. Don’t take it the wrong way.
For my part, I think that on most days Rick has something useful to say, and I hope he continues to contribute to PJM and other blogs. He just missed the mark on this one.
You forgot the part where you turned water into wine, and walked across the Sea of Galilee.
All right, Mr. Moran. You’ve done your good deed for the Republican Party by spitting at the Tea Party movement – now go back to the RNC and get your lollipop for being a good boy. You’ve toed the party line by sneering at us, calling us names, saying we were stupid and likening us to morons who will destroy our country just to make ourselves feel smug and self-righteous.
But in truth you’re the ones who are really smug and self-righteous. You were so much smarter than all of us moronic Tea Party people – and look what your smartness has gotten us. A nation about to collapse under a crushing debt you not only did nothing to stop but actively helped to make worse. And now you want your good old boys to be re-elected so they can continue the destruction? No thanks. Call us all the names you want, make fun of us, sneer at us – it won’t matter. We’re not backing down from conservative values because we’ve seen the cost of no values at all. You don’t like us? Fine. Enjoy your lollipop – we’ve got a nation to save.
Enjoy your lollipop? We’ve got a nation to save? And that’s not “smug and self-righteous?”
The rightwing of the Republican Party–like the far-lefties you so despise–has become full of sanctimonious know-it-alls who look down their collective nose at anyone who doesn’t share their so-called “principles.” Both extremes believe in ideology over competency, ideology over character, ideology uber alles. How this will aid in “saving the nation” escapes me.
Evan Bayh sums it up nicely. “Tolerance for any deviation from party orthodoxy is at an all-time low. It used to be that principled compromise was thought to be a good thing. Now it’s viewed as an act of treachery.” He goes on to say that purging all the centrists and moderates from Washington will lead to gridlock. But then Jim DeMint, who actually believes Christine O’Donnell is fit for public office, thinks gridlock will be just dandy.
O’Donnell is a flake and a liar. My cat knows how to manage money better than she does. She holds extreme views that are sure to alienate independent voters. I pity Delaware voters, some of whom are my friends, for the choice they have to make. The ones I know have decided to “hold their noses” and support the Democrat. Odd. Who wouldn’t want to vote for an unstable woman with a checkered past who has never held a real job?
You blast Mr. Moran, along with Karl Rove and Charles Krauthammer, for daring to commit political pragmatism. Well, enjoy your continued minority status. You’ve officially lost the right to complain as Obama enacts more of his agenda. And please don’t ever again slam Obama for his questionable background and inexperience–neither of which bother you where Ms. O’Donnell is concerned. You wouldn’t want to be accused of hypocrisy, would you?
I would like to know–exactly how do you propose moving the country toward your principles if you aren’t in the driver’s seat?
Same’ol claptrap. Pardon people from wanting to get away from the Demican and Republicrat homogenization. Try not to confuse capitulation with compromise. The Republicans are in the majority and the capitulate to the minority, they are in the minority and they beg and plead to be put back in the majority. Why? So they can continue to act like Democrats lite. In the eight years of George Bush the parties “compromises” just inched us towards the abyss one step at a time rather than two. Fear of being called a radical was too much for them to bear, so they continued to go along to get along. “Enough!” -cried the people. If you want to stay in office then you’d better have something more to offer than a different 8-bit ASCII character behind your name than your opponent.
I could care less how principled politicians are anymore. They are all whores? Protect and defend the constitution, that’s what we are sending you there to do. Democrats have been getting away with field amoral reprobates for decades now. I’m not arbitrarily holding Republicans accountable anymore, when the other party will not do the same. I’m voting for candidates to go Washington and engage in Lawfare on behalf of the district, or state that sent you there, and to uphold the constitution in matters of law. As long as said candidate will do that, I don’t care what your personal beliefs are. If you can’t, than you’re outta there.
Hey F*%ck-tard,
Its the “principals” of idiots like you that got us into this mess.
Yeah, were smug and self righteous… because we are RIGHT,
Its the power nuts like Rove is just as WRONG as the leftie commies on the D side that wrecked evey place they ever governed
Did you get that yet?
Tea partiers never pretend to be Republicans. Their goal is to knock down the out of control ruling class, the incumbents, R or D. In the primaries: R, in the general: D.
In November, Delawarers are voting for O’Donnell, or Harry Reid’s pet, the Bearded Marxist. If I were them, I would vote for O’D. She will do less damages to the country.
Frankly, this odd ball is not odder than Pelosi, or stupider than Boxer, or as crooked as Maxime Walters, or Rangel, or the two who sent scholarships to their own families. Whatever O’D has done, she has hurt herself. The current crooks in Congress are hurting us and the country. Vote for the lesser evil.
O’D's ad should be: Me or Harry Reid’s pet.
That’s about where I am. The liberal, mysoginistically hypocritical attacks are pretty hard to take when we have John Kerry (male gigolo) dogging 500k in taxes for his yacht, bubba doing interns but ducking impeachment with the “it was really about sex” not lying under oath counting on an ancient social clause in the unwritten rules of american life.
Of course O’Donnell is she does get the shaft here will be because she was poor. You can see how the “two americas” are really treated in practice. Dodd gets points shaved from jumbo loans, no problem. Someone can’t pay their mortgage or gets help from her boyfried she’s a “slut” from the PC left.
The left might be in for a surprise of their own making. The society has gone to the gutter long ago. I have no doubt that Snookie or Perez Hilton have not seen their political fortunes eliminated if they so choose. The left appear to be appealing to a moral backbone/code that they have lead in it’s destruction. Young to middle age people will have to go to reference books about the particular ethic questions that are hardly found in D.C. at the moment.
So lets vet the “Bearded Marxist” and get some of those photos if this is how it has to be. With a state that produced a Joe Biden expectations can’t be high. Castle was no loss as his classless behavior since getting whipped has shown. He voted for marxist AGW fraud, he did move the impeachment action ahead on Bush exactly as reported. He’s exactly the kind of “go-along-get-along” dolt that killed the reagan reform systems. McCain and Graham should also go ASAP as well.
O’Donnell does have baggage as does the Marxist. It often isn’t pretty but the “pet”, can we call him the “poodle” run on higher taxes and more authoritarian, soviet style, top-down central planning lecture on “ethics”? You know they are scouring college contacts pretty hard right now for more dirt, it kinda tells about how is more insecure on issues doesn’t it?
Rick, the attitude that you took in taking shots at Christine O’Donnell while writing this article is EXACTLY what those of us who are happy about the primary election outcome in Delaware are tired of.
I realize that our opinions differ, but rather than crying over spilled milk on your part maybe you can come on over and support her like the Republican that you say you are rather than writing cheap-shot filled temper tantrums.
Just an idea.
So, Rick Moran, the better solution is to keep sending back RINOs back to DC? Democrap lite is a better thing? The “electable” Repub defeated in the DE primary was a staunch anti 2nd Amendment stooge, as well as a TARP supporter and Obamacare supporter. . . .Tell me again, why did we want him re-elected?Enough of these traitors to real freedom!!Sliding into the abyss, either fast or slow, is still sliding. . .
People like Rove wanted Castle re-elected so that he would vote with the Republicans on bills that don’t matter. Castle is a RINO.
Not too much seeing the long-term big picture here are you Rick? If the Republican party returns to conservative principles, we can fix anything the left throws at us in the short term. If conservatives continue to have no voice or power, all the RINO’s will accomplish is a slightly slower, though absolutely permanent, drift to hard socialism.
Maybe you should direct your anger at Mr. Castle. It was his to win and he lost it. The reason I would not have voted for him is that he supports Cap and Trade. That is the “next big thing” in power grabbing Washington. And Climategate gave him a reason to change position — if costing millions of people their jobs is not reason enough. He did not have to become a Social Conservative, but he had to appeal to some Republican Voters — not just the Country Club types.
I think you guys could have convinced Rush Limbaugh that she is nuts and got him to “not endorse.” I think you could have done that if you had actual evidence. So what if she thinks masturbation is a sin. That is what I was taught in grade school. So what?
He was also an anti-gun type. The perfect Rhino. Electing him was no different than a Dem – he would betray the party and conservatives whenever he could profit from it.
This article is a single long temper tantrum.
For the record: Christine O’Donnell didn’t sleaze Mike Castle out of the GOP’s Senatorial nomination. She didn’t bug his campaign offices or have a court unseal his divorce records. She took the GOP’s nod for U.S. Senator from Delaware in a rather straightforward and conventional way: she won the primary balloting. That is: more qualified voters voted for her than for Castle. But according to Rick Moran, because Mrs. O’Donnell is very conservative, and an orthodox Catholic with orthodox Catholic views on sex and associated behavior, she’s doomed in November. The bludgeon-word other establishmentarian types have been swinging at her is, of course, unelectable.
Moran didn’t use that particular word. Instead, he’s said:
So even in Moran’s opinion, O’Donnell has a chance for victory — but that doesn’t matter. He disapproves of her; that’s what counts.
But let’s explore a possibility here: Let’s fast-forward to a hypothetical November 3, and imagine that Christine O’Donnell has lost her bid for the Senate. What would that “mean,” other than that a majority of Delaware voters preferred hard-left Marxist Chris Coons?
– Would it be valid, by any stretch of the imagination, to insist that Castle, a GOP liberal, would have defeated Coons?
– Given that Castle has a record from his time in the House of working both sides of the aisle, what sort of behavior might we have expected from him in the Senate? Strict adherence to the party platform and party unity, or something more in the Jim Jeffords / Lincoln Chafee mold?
– Would the salami-slicing GOP power elite, so deft at selling Americans’ futures down the river for a few positive column-inches from the New York Times, have been less likely to continue bartering away our freedom a little at a time…or more?
Among the secondary consequences of Delaware voters having nominated a firm conservative, even if the nominee loses the general election, is that it makes Republican power-brokers look at other firm conservative candidates as assets to their own positions. One can’t maintain oneself in a kingmaker’s seat unless one contrives to offer the party’s allegiants candidates they actively want to support with their money and labor. That’s how a political party is sustained. It’s also how it rises to majority status: Goldwater’s 1964 nomination and defeat were essential to Reagan’s 1980 nomination and triumph.
Moran appears not to understand politics at all. Either that, or he’s lost his mind. Select the explanation you prefer.
What this schism between the power elites and the voter reveal is what is wrong with 2 party politics – and has been for many years. I’ve commented on this for over 40 years (I’m 62). They set the two choices before us and expect to like one or the other (D vs R). This has been American politics for as long as I can remember.
Along comes the Tea Party and upsets the apple cart – THEIR apple cart. We are no longer satisfied with their D or R and wish to have a different flavor of D or R.
Think about it – how is our political system so different than in a Communist system other than having what they call ‘real choice’? Is it ‘real choice’? These power elites are friends – they party and drink together in private. In public they put on an act – making us ‘think’ they are different from one another while behind closed doors they are wheeling and dealing the future of our country for their own personal gain.
Sorry but I don’t see much difference between most of the Ds and Rs. It’s time to change the ‘flavor’.
You are thinking too hard and missing the most salient aspect to the O’Donnell candidacy, to wit: people like her and they like her message.
Oh…..You’re just like Rove.
Christine O’Donnell got more votes than Mike Castle on Tuesday. I define that as, well, “winning”. How do you define that?
“She will need considerably more than that, including one of those neuralizers from Men in Black to flash the entire population of Delaware and make them forget some of the loonier things O’Donnell has said about sex, about Vince Foster, and about her own financial history about which she has lied and lied again.”
American history is filled with examples of individuals who have had strange or checkered pasts but who have stood up for this country when it counted. There was a divorced man who was a failed lawyer who, in the 19th century, decided leave his home in the east and head west to start a new life. His name was William Travis and he decided to make his stand and defend what was left of his honor at a place called “The Alamo.”
There was another man who was known to be a hard drinker and had killed a few men in duels and bar fights in his day and his name was Jim Bowie. He also ended up in this place called “The Alamo.”
And then there was another man who was considered a country bumkin, even though he was elected to Congress. He was broke, needed money, and also decided to head west to seek his fortune. His name was David Crockett. He also decided to help some total strangers at a place called “The Alamo.”
Yes, American history is filled with people who have had strange and checkered pasts all coming together to help each other when the chips were down. They generally come together to make a stand, to stop some intolerable injustice that is being forced upon them, and to stand for something that seems ridiculous today. That “something” is called Freedom. The freedom to choose who will represent you in a fair and honest way, the freedom to elect people who will actually listen to your questions, and the freedom to elect people who will actually stand up for a cause when all else seems lost. These are the people that sometimes step up when the chips are down and these are the people in the Tea Parties.
Is Christine O’Donnell such a person? I don’t really know. But what I do know is that she’s at least willing to try. She is willing to put what’s left of her honor and reputation on the line to stand up for something, something bigger than her, and that’s a lot more than 99% of the people in Washington are willing to do. Can she win? You bet she can, because when Americans stick together for a common cause there is nothing, not one thing, that can stop them. Everyday Americans can make a difference, just like Travis, Bowie, and and Crockett did. Can they lose? Sure they can. You can always lose a battle, but, in the end, we will win the war. And nobody today can stop the Tea Party movement. Not the Democrats, not the elite Republican establishment, nobody, because it represents what we stand for. The Freedom to choose who and what we are, the freedom to define who will represent us, and the freedom to tell people in Washington that, if they do NOT listen to us, they will be replaced.
Travis, Bowie, and Crockett. Not bad company to be in when talking about a bunch of losers who eventually made good in America.
Well said…
PLEASE ALLOW ME TO ADD>
..DASCHLE AND GEITHNER..LITTLE TIMMY
At some point you have to decide to send that message.
The GoP and the Dems are essentially, at their core, where all the incumbents and long term local cadre come from, the same.
Big Government, centralised power in their own pockets, disenfranchising the electorate in order to solidify and enhance their own powerbase and incomes over the backs of the taxpayer.
The rethoric may be different on the margins, the result if not the content of the policies is identical.
And as long as people keep voting RINOs into high office just to prevent the Dems from winning a seat, that’ll never change.
Maybe the best we can have now is a massive win for the Dems, to the point where they completely wipe out the GoP ruling elite.
That might cause the party to at last take notice that they’re on the wrong path, and the population that there’s a breath of fresh air waiting in the wings, willing to restore the Republic to its core values as laid down in the constitution and bill of rights.
The November elections won’t matter anyway. With their massive ACORN and Black Panther inspired and infused aparatus the Dems have it completely cornered, the only variable now is how many they can manage to steal away.
In states where old style GoP candidates (RINOs and their ilk) are running, that will mean a Dem landslide because GoP voters will stay at home in protest, they know full well there vote doesn’t matter because the candidates in their state are as leftist as those the Dems put up.
In states where new blood enters the fray, maybe there will be enough turnout to defeat the Dems, or at least give them a bloody nose.
Ergo, I don’t expect the November elections to result in the GoP win that people have got themselves to believe in. I expect it to be a Dem landslide, with a few bright sparks left where Tea Party inspired candidates manage to keep the spirit of freedom and liberty alive.
2012 might be another matter, if over the next 2 years the GoP learns from the Tea Party groups what the People want from their representatives (and that’s a very big if!).
If not, 2012 too will be a shoe-in for the Dems, even if they put Obama up for reelection.
You just don’t get it, Moran. Castle’s been voting to take us in the same direction as Reid and Pelosi, just in slightly slower motion. So what if he’s a little better than a Democrat? That’s not good enough; I want real options. And if I can’t have real options, then to hell with it. If the country goes down the toilet, turning from “a liberty loving capitalist state … into a quasi-socialist dependency”, it won’t happen because of *my* vote, or because of any money *I* donated.
Regardless, let’s not kid ourselves. The future of the country won’t hinge on our winning eight seats instead of nine in the Senate, but on our destroying the ability of the MSM to shape the narrative. And slowly but surely we are winning that fight — why do you think the Democrats are so hot for “net neutrality”? Why do they dream of reinstating the so-called “Fairness Doctrine”?
Because they can’t win the debate clean. They need to shut it down — whether it’s Climategate or the Ground Zero Mosque or the welfare state, they *have* to lie, they *can’t* tell the voters what they really believe and how they really intend to vote. Look at the insane lies Obama told to get elected — and with nonstop help from the MSM every step of the way.
And guys like Mike Castle enable Obama. Guys like Castle and Spector position themselves as the most important vote in the Senate: fickle “moderates” whose votes decide whether we get cap and trade and more Kagans and Soytomayors on the Supreme Court.
Mark Levin is right. There’s no reason for us to cede ground to the left. We need to put forward leaders who can explain to the country what conservatism is and why it works — and why left-wing ideas for governance will always fail.
In any event, I think O’Donnell’s going to win.
Right—freaking—on!
With the Republicans’ current strategy, the country is still going to collapse in the next, oh, 10 years as opposed to the next 5.
We have to forcibly send a message that makes the politicians tremble in fear if they don’t do what we want. Karl Rove and the political establishment is afraid because the Tea Party people don’t care if they make Republicans lose.
In fact, we WANT Republicans to lose if they do not support authentic limited government, massively reduced spending, and individual liberty.
That’s why Mr. Rove is bashing O’Donnell all over the television–he knows that people have discovered the scam, and that by showing that we’re willing to lose, the politicos’ careers are in jeopardy.
Only when we’re willing to lose for our principles do we have actual power over the politicians.
Re “In fact, we WANT Republicans to lose if they do not support authentic limited government, massively reduced spending, and individual liberty.
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Only when we’re willing to lose for our principles do we have actual power over the politicians.”
Exactly. The American political landscape has been shaped by the MSM for far too long. They don’t report the news, they fabricate and hide the news; their goal is to *prevent* the issues from being discussed truthfully and rationally. How else could it be that 70-80% of the country wants our borders sealed, but politicians are terrified to go near the issue for fear of alienating the “Hispanic” vote? How did Soc. Security become “the 3rd rail of American politics”? How did Gov. Palin become “polarizing”, while Obama was able to slip into office under the guise of a “moderate”? How is it that Rep. Paul Ryan’s Road Map isn’t being given serious consideration by a bipartisan majority… and by the American people?
As far as I’m concerned, the GOP can take their Mike Castles and Arlen Spectors and choke on them.
There is a revolution underway. It was precipitated by the self-styled modernization program of the Obama administration which has reached into people’s lives in a manner never seen before. One of the effects of such programs is the politicization of those who usually don’t concern themselves with politics. the Tea Parties are the voice of these newly politicized. They are offering a competing vision of how the country should be modernized so that it is competitive. This vision draws on the founding documents and philosophies but it is nevertheless revolutionary in its aims and while similar to that which drove the founding revolution is not identical to it.
You seem to be operating on the assumption that sensible, incremental steps are the way to proceed. Perhaps in another time and place that would be good strategy – but not now. Matters have gone too far. The entrenched elites are too determined to hang onto power and force the people to do as they are told – for their own good of course.
When the Tea Parties’ vision triumphs – and it will triumph because it is explicitly bourgeoise and there is no democracy without the bourgeoisie – the country will enter a period of astonishing growth and development, fuelled by the creativity that these passionate Tea Partiers will channel. Their demand that the fruits of their labour, the source of all value, be theirs to direct is a fundamental tenet of the new entrepreneurial market state that is being shaped.
I liked the economic inspiration of your post. Keep it up. We need more clear voices pointing out that there is a path back to full prosperity if we can just clear out the underbrush of Democratic regulations.
Mr. Moran, it all depends on whether you are a conservative first and a Republican second, or vice versa.
If you are a Republican first, then congratulations, you are qualified to be an establishment Republican, get on national media, and pitch a fit because that we threw away a perfectly good win (which is hardly a settled issue).
For those of us who are conservatives first, however, we don’t care whether we get liberal policies from Democrats or from a bipartisan government. Either way, it stinks.
The Democrats are in full Thelma & Louise mode, no doubt. The car is aimed at the cliff and the accelerator pedal is floored. It isn’t going to do us much good to elect someone who only wants half-throttle, or wants to put on the brakes a little bit.
We have to turn the damn car around and point it the other way. RINOs need not apply.
When Republicans go liberal, we have precisely two methods of protesting that means anything to them: withhold money, and withhold votes. The Tea Party is bringing a welcome dose of discipline to the GOP. Like most brats, they don’t like it. Since Reagan, the Republican Party has become not the opponent of liberalism, but the enablers of liberalism, in spite of the demoralized protests of their base. The GOP didn’t mind because we didn’t matter. So now, when I watch Karl Rove crying hysterically on Fox News because the Tea Party took his bare ass out to the woodshed and applied a nice thick hickory stick, my heart just bleeds.
And have you noticed that, when RINOs lose, they take their RNC money and bolt the party? Turn independent? Turn Democrat? Endorse the Democrat? But conservatives are the ones risking defeat? Hardly. We’re simply outing the liberals that head to the trenches wearing our uniform. You don’t win a war by not recognizing your enemy when he happens to be wearing your uniform.
It’s now or never, folks. Liberal Republicanism has brought us to this perilous point in our history, and to this ebb tide in Republican representation in government. If you think this can be fixed by becoming even more liberal, you should work for the RNC.
Republicans love that the Dems’ poll numbers are so bad. But they somehow miss noticing that their own poll numbers are also terrible. Obviously voters are “mad as hell” at Obama/Pelosi/Reid, but they also hate many of the decisions (especially economic ones) that Republicans made over the last decade or so. “Go along” votes by the GOP got us where we are. Its the voting record, stupid.
Very well said.
The establishment wonders why they can’t raise any money, its because we’ve cut out the middleman and donate to “candidates”…not to a party.
The Republican establishment will either wake up to the new reality, or find themselves gone along with the progressives.
Great responses to this reason-there’s-a-tea-party-movement baloney by Rick Moran.
Sure, there’s a risk that O’Donnell might not get the votes to win the seat, but if she does, we’re ‘way ahead of the game, compared to dealing with another Specter. Her win in the primary is only one battle, but having pulled that off, against the best efforts of the “Republican” party, there’s no reason why she can’t win the next battle. Conservatives everywhere need to pitch in.
O’Donnell’s abilities and history are as good as, or better than, those of most Members of Congress. Long live the Tea Party movement, it has been a long time coming and of course the party elites don’t like it. They could have avoided the need for it if they had been good Republicans in the first place.
Rick Moran,
You’re still confusing Republican with conservative. The Tea Party folks do not labor under that false assumption anymore.
You can run along back to your country club. Conservatism is experiencing a revival that you just can’t or won’t attempt to understand.
Mike Castle could have been expected to have been as reliable as Arlen Spector. Thankfully he won’t be given that chance.
When I see the collection of misfits currently occupying Capitol Hill I have to ask myself ‘can O Donnell be any worse ?’ If she’s a tax dodge then perhaps she’s suitable to serve in the Obama White House. That appears to be a prerequisite qualification
If Christine wins, the IQ of the person holding that seat will have increased by 30 points.
Respectfully, stick to watching movies, Mr. Moran, because it is obvious you don’t understand the necessity of values in politics.
Absolutely! Everyone knows that what really matters is the letter after the name. Go team go, winning is everything, the end justifies the means, to hell with actually standing for something other than the status quo!
Imagine, people willing to make sacrifices, yes, maybe even loosing, for the sake of the country. . . rather than the party. If the US continues to get flushed down the toilet by socialists, let the hand on the lever be clearly, indelibly marked “democrat”.
To paraphrase Lincoln, “I prefer my despotism pure, without the base alloy of hypocrisy.” Better a democrat than a RINO.
Get over it, your attitude is that of a relic of the bygone age of “lessor of two evils.”
It’s remarkable that at this late date so many think electing a Republican, any Republican, matters. Rick, we had a Republican President and Republican Congress not very many years ago. Did that really fix anything? Those Republicans sure embraced W’s attempts to deal with the Social Security time bomb, or Fanny and Freddy. They were death on earmarks, too. Right? Oh, wait….
Delaware is a victory for the Tea Partiers because we are, in Bernard Montgomery’s phrase, preparing the battlefield. Our goal is not to elect feckless Rinos, but to scourge the Republican party of such, and take it over from the ground up, so a return to the Founders’ vision is possible. Who cares if O’Donnell can win? The faux conservative lost.
When the Mongols encountered a town that refused to yield, they left a pile of skulls by the smoking ruins. After a while people got the message. Establishment Republicans and clueless pundits take note.
You callin’ the Founders (with a capital F even), “mongols”, BUB?
I usually vote straight republican, but if its going to be a fight against the mongols, I’ll vote straight democrat. At least the dems aren’t completely unhinged wahabbis.
Metaphor is hard, am I right?
So, you were pulling for the George Soros republican, huh? She could still win, and then we’re not stuck with Arlen Specter 2. What if she loses? Are you saying winning the Senate 51-49 is going to allow us to repeal the Obama Regime’s agenda? I would rather have enough Senators to filibuster every damn thing Obama does, but not enough Senators where we get the blame for the mess progressives have created. Wouldn’t you rather have a sweep in 2012, with very large majorities? No, not you. That would make too much sense.
You’re an idiot. You just don’t get it. We the people are saying no to statists of all stripes – no to dummycrat socialists and no to RINOs. Furthermore, there is no guarantee that Castle would win the general election, especially since he could not garner enough support to win the primary.
CONGRATULATIONS! to Rick Moran
WINNER of the 2010 Ruben Navarrette Bitter Clinger AWARD
We will all see how November turns out…AFTER the election.
Idiots who pretend to be swami-like pundits, saying “I told ya so!” beforehand are only raising the flag of defeat themselves.
YOU ARE THE TRUE LOSER.
I really don’t think slamming O’Donnell or Rick Moran for that matter is very productive….you appear to me to be part of the controlled opposition….just a variant of the useful idiot.
Read up on what Lenin MEANT a “useful idiot” was, “Bear.”
More likely you are one.
Trashing a bully on his pulpit is fair game.
So: ppphhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhttttttttttt!
What this country needs is definitely more politics as usual. It has been so successful so far. Hey, Moran about a reprise of 1994-2006 where “victory” had the same definition as the standard denotation ordinarily used in politics. How did that work out? For conservatives? For the GOP? For the nation? Like crap.
Do you know what existential crisis means? Do you live in Hyde Park?
Good thing you have the most up to date crystal ball so you can fill us in on what is going to happen in the future.
The whole point of this outpouring (see O’Donnell +$1,327,000 and counting) is to make sure that a different definition than the standard denotation ordinarily used in politics prevails.
On a scale of 1 to 10, give this a 1. Clueless.
I must concur with my comrades that there seems to be a basic philosophical flaw in your piece. That said, I will only add that I also read a NY Times editorial this morning that also decried the Tea Party movement as being “fringe”, as well as seriously in need of psychological counseling.
We, in the Tea Parties, are not deluded. We are not mentally challenged. We are not illogical, stupid, homophobic, etc., etc., etc. We are standing up for our collective view of what America should be. Is that not in keeping with your view? Or is your view, as long as we (i.e., Republicans) are running things in D.C., everything is perfectly wonderful. Yeah, sure, right Wilbur! The Republican brand has become Democrat / Socialist Lite. That’s not what the Tea Parties stand for, and will not fight for, and definitely will not contribute toward.
Mr. Moran:
Still flogging that “Republicans must move to the center and disavow the ‘Radical Right-Wing’ meme” eh?
I’ll give you credit, you’re a consistent one, y’are…
“In politics, there is victory and there is defeat. Nothing else matters.”
Okay, then.
“They took a fatally flawed candidate in Delaware — a deadbeat who stopped paying her mortgage, a tax dodge, a radical, out-of-the-mainstream social conservative — and elevated her to the status of fiscal warrior and Constitutional saint, defeating a flawed (but not half as blemished) moderately liberal Republican who almost certainly would have waltzed to victory in November.”
Your vision may have been blurred by your tears so that you missed the operative phrase as you typed that paragraph above.
The Liberal Republican candidate LOST, and so nothing else matters…right?
“O’Donnell may in fact win. By November, the Democrats might be in such bad odor with the public that a pie-eyed prostitute, much less a prevaricating lightweight, could get elected in opposition to a Democrat.”
A prevaricating lightweight…yes, quite.
(Are you familiar with the current POTUS, by any chance?)
Talk about your “radical, out of the mainstream” politicians…
“She will need considerably more than that, including one of those neuralizers from Men in Black to flash the entire population of Delaware and make them forget some of the loonier things O’Donnell has said about sex, about Vince Foster, and about her own financial history about which she has lied and lied again.”
Worked for the DemocRats…the people of Deleware, which went for the Alleged Hawaiian as I recall, apparently said:
“So, what?”
after the revelations came out about his hob-nobbing with Marxist terrorists and sitting in Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s “God DAMN America!” pews fro twenty years.
Didn’t they?
You have to give your Rockefeller Country-Club pedigree Republicanism a rest, Mr. Moran.
Because few Republicans and even fewer people vote for that crap anymore.
Now suck it up and support the Delaware GOP’s nominee, just like good Conservatives were told to pipe down and support RINOs like Mike Castle all these decades past.
Remember…we have to win, and O’Donnell just might…and nothing else matters.
Goldwater lost. But without Goldwater, there would have been no Reagan.
Goldwater said things that no one else dared say nationally, and put a “win” at risk because of the things he was saying. He broke the liberal ice that gripped our nation and laid the groudwork for Reagan and the greatest presidency of the 20th century.
O’Donnell has shaken the establishment. She may not “win” this election, but she will have shown the Republican establishment that if they truely want to win they’ve got to change.
The TEA party is a young political movement. As such they see no reason to comprise their demand for political purity. The test will come on Nov 3rd when thanks to the TEA party Coons and even worse Sharon Angle have lost (Angle loses a close race I predict). What do they do then and for 2012?
“”It’s remarkable that at this late date so many think electing a Republican, any Republican, matters. Rick, we had a Republican President and Republican Congress not very many years ago. Did that really fix anything? “”
Well they didnt pass an $800b stimulus, didnt pass socialized medicine, didnt sell out our allies and placate our enemies, didnt nationalize the auto industry. Only someone not paying attention thinks that there is no difference between the GOP and the Dems.
Yeah. It´s the same difference.
Sure, the Rs didn’t do AS MUCH harm, but they did harm. Harming the nation is no longer acceptable. If people, R or D, aren’t going to solve problems, they need to get out of the way.
The Republican Party, by endorsing damage to the US, is responsible for this state of affairs, not the Tea Party. Granted, the Republicans are only endorsing moderate damage instead of the serious damage the Democrats are, but it’s still damage, and that is no longer acceptable in the current fiscal climate.
I am a proud participant from Delaware, and I made sure I cast the vote to terminate Rep. Castle’s Senate run.
The question to Moran is – ‘Do you truly understand tea party and tea party-ers?’ Another question for Moran is this – “If Ms. O’Donnell is unelectable because she lied, which other politicians have not lied to us?”
So is the choice now between being a barbarian, who sacks Rome, or someone who is still trying to save it?
Right now, the Tea Party reminds me of radicals in the sixties, who didn’t really know much about power. The Tea Partiers have discovered that they can raise electoral hell in the Republican Party. Despite the energy sixties/seventies radicals generated, they pushed the center the “wrong way,” toward Nixon and the right. Eventually…. they had a profound effect on American politics, but they also had to grow up and understand the power elite thing better…despite the fact that they had defined it, as part of the problem. What they really meant was that it was too complicated for them to understand, and it had brought on the Vietnam War, so screw it. Hmmmm.
Good question.
Right Face, Dwhite. Forward March for home. Don’t join with the sackers of Rome in the WH and CONGress, whose actions cause quite a deficit in the long run. Into the house with you to sit quietly in your chambers while contemplating the great gifts you have been given. Those great gifts that you daily dis… Never mind. That you don’t choose to display them doesn’t mean you don’t have them. And always remember, when you disagree with both sides there is always a slight chance you may be right, Dwhite
Well, thank you, Fred. A signed copy of my latest: “The Tea is Spiked” is on its way.
And your contributions would be…what?
Why, Dwhite, you ask me about my contributions when your contribution is: The 60s radicals are like the Tea Party, sort of, “hmmmm”?
Well, OK, here is mine, I’m sure Rick will enjoy reading it the second time, but he can blame you: “You must be very proud of your axx, Moran, showing it off in public like you just did. If you don’t like the duly selected candidate of your party from another state, one who is not a felon or certifiably insane, why can’t you just STFU and let those who selected the candidate live with the results. Oh no. You know better, you know the future and YOU should be selecting all the candidates from every state. YOU need to smear the candidate and help the other side win. You, Rove and Charles K. are way out of line on this one.”
Care to give your opinion, Dwhite, about what happened yesterday rather than blandly and dully pontificate about the Left-wing nut jobs of the 60s?
Fred Beloit astutely identified the activists of the 60′s as “left wing nut jobs.”
If in politics there are equal and opposite reaction, the “left wing nut jobs of the 60′s” would eventually breed “right wing nut jobs” then and now. The Tea Party is one such manifestation, although these tend to be older nut jobs, with a more mellow kind of nuttiness. Obviously there is a big decision to be made by ALL the voters, whether or not they are ready for Paul, Angle, O’Donnell etc. Hey, it will be entertaining to see how the Dems go after these people and how they, in turn respond. Then we can throw in Lisa Mercowski in Alaska, just to muddy the water a little more.
Is the Tea Party ready for prime time? Let’s see how O’Donnell does with Chris Wallace this Sunday.
Dwight: “The Tea Party is one such manifestation, although these tend to be older nut jobs, with a more mellow kind of nuttiness.”
I guess that this is, oh, a fair statement. They do evince a more mellow form of nuttiness than the terrorist bombers of the period. I mean of course the likes of Mr. Ayers and his lovely wife Mrs. Ayers (haha allegedly).
Rockefeller Republicans
“Is the Republican establishment losing it?
Is the party leadership capable of uniting a governing coalition as Richard Nixon did before Watergate and Ronald Reagan resurrected in the 1980s?
Observing the hysteria and nastiness of Karl Rove and the GOP establishment at the stunning triumph of Tea Party Princess Christine O’Donnell, the answer is no.
This party is not ready to rule.”
“And what is the justification for the savagery of the attacks on her, from her own?
What has this woman done? Did she vote for Sonia Sotomayor or Elena Kagan for the Supreme Court like Lindsey Graham? Did she support the Obama stimulus like Olympia Snow and Susan Collins? What did she do to deserve the trashing?
The answer is not distant.
To the Republican establishment, tea party people are field hands. Their labors are to be recognized and rewarded, but they are to stay off the porch and not presume to sit at the master’s table.
And what O’Donnell did, with her amazing victory, is to imperil that establishment’s return to power. That is why these Republicans went ballistic.
O’Donnell’s conservative convictions and Castle’s social liberalism mean nothing to them.
They are about power and all that goes with it.”
http://townhall.com/columnists/PatBuchanan/2010/09/17/rockefeller_republicans/page/full/
I must’ve missed something in the translation, but I thought there was a Republican primary election in DE last Tues., whereby DE VOTERS DECIDED WHO THEY WISHED TO REPRESENT THEM. In case you didn’t get it the first time – DE VOTERS CHOSE O’DONNELL, NOT THE TEA PARTY.
Would someone wake Rick up and ask him to get back on-line and explain to us exactly what “kill” the Tea Party should have been seeking?
So, you’d rather surrender the senate to the democrats instead of learning to “handle” these intractable northeastern RINOs?
Is there a tea party Madarassa somewhere indoctrinating this stubborn, dimwitted behavior?
And don’t use the constitution as a crutch. The constitution is the most perfect example of tempered balancing of conflicting interests that the world has ever seen. Its a CURE for fanaticism.
The teapartyers claiming to restore the constitution is like the wahabbis trying to build a temple for Voltaire.
Since *when* could you see into the future, sonny?
Clearly, you are unable to remember the PAST: “RINOs” voting with Dems over and over, dragging the country down.
NO LONGER.
Take a long walk on a short deck, sonny.
Since *when* could *you* see into the future..( umm “ole coot”, I reckon?)
How many jobs have *you* teapartyers created in your life? What do you know about “RINO”S?
Have you guys no sense of just WHERE you can ram your views down the throats of the population? In Utah, yes. In Texas, yes. In Delaware? Does it take a crystal ball?
As for Rick Moran, you might as well give up trying to make these people see any sense. This is a raging teaparty mob, not a group of intelligent “electorate”. And they take pride in it too. Dumbbells.
They cant see past the end of their noses…this rage is only going to lead to more socialism.
And congratulations for letting dissenting views to be posted in response. Thus proving you have too much “constitutionalism” in your blood to be a teapartyer.
RINO, I was all set to post a partial agreement to your post, but I wanted to check Castle’s voting record again, first. from http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2010/09/17/after-50-years-in-politics-mike-castle-had-to-go/
Voted for budget-busting stimulus spending.
Voted for the bailouts.
Voted for Cap-and-Trade.
Voted to ban ANWR and offshore drilling.
Voted for Cash-for-Clunkers and tax increases while earning an “F” rating from Second Amendment supporters.
Even voted to allow the courts to remove “God” from the Pledge of Allegiance.
Look, I agree with Moran’s basic point: to really get your way, sooner or later you have to win general elections. And I agree with your point, that Delaware isn’t Texas, so maybe Castle had to vote that way to get elected.
But, looking at that voting record, if I’d been in Delaware I’d have voted against that guy in the primaries whether or not he had an (R) after his name.
Thanks for the succint summary, furball. Yes, I realize that Castle seems to be a “real”, unmitigated RINO. But..its Delaware.
Understood that such a “lesson” would be a welcome dose of reality, especially to anyone getting an “F” on 2A. But curiously, this election is going down to the wire when it comes to the control of the senate.
Thats why the “coup” is so comical,self-defeating and absurd at THIS time. They should’ve held their noses AT LEAST in Del. keeping the broader objective in mind.
But I guess its too late now.
Your incoherent rant is as amusing as it is tragic.
Seek help,child.
Since you refer to “mobs,” just when was the last time you raised an eye to tzhe firebombings and otherwise violent protests of the LEFT in the last 10 or even 20 (much less 50) years?!
Not holding my breath, you hypocrite.
“We can learn a lot about people from their dislikes, as well as their likes. They reveal a great deal about themselves when they call “extremists” patriotic Americans who believe in the American ideal, lower taxes and fiscal responsibility, originalism, the rule of law, blind justice, equal protection under the law, strong national defense, limiting government to its assigned constitutional functions, the Second Amendment, the nondiscriminatory application of freedom of speech and expression, the free exercise clause, a reasonable — not unduly expansive — interpretation of the establishment and commerce clauses, protection for the unborn, judicial restraint, federalism, the separation of powers, the free market, racial colorblindness, the existence of good and evil in the world, equality of opportunity rather than of outcomes, law and order, immigration control and border protection, motherhood and apple pie.
That’s a fair summary of a typical tea partier’s credo. By definition, then, in America at least, tea partiers are not extremists. For approximately two times as many American voters identify themselves as conservatives than as liberals, and conservatives mostly believe in those things I’ve referenced.
So who is more extreme? Is it the guy (and his enablers) who is driving us at warp speed into national bankruptcy, supports abortion on demand and the militant homosexual agenda, appoints judges who believe government has the right to “unskew” speech when it becomes “overabundant,” Mirandizes terrorists on the battlefield, appoints one radical czar after another, apologizes every chance he gets for the country that we love, fires his inspectors general without notice for uncovering corruption among his friends involving stimulus money, takes over and then tries to restructure Chrysler and GM in a way that discriminates against secured creditors in favor of his union buddies, forces national health care on the nation when Americans told him they rejected it and on and on, or is it a typical tea partier?
It’s not even a close call, and the more tone-deaf that liberals (and establishment Republicans) are to this reality the worse their respective electoral futures will be.”
http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidLimbaugh/2010/09/17/extremists_calling_mainstreamers_extremists/page/full/
“All of the far-left and many shamefully from the establishment out-of-touch right who proudly inhabit glass houses bought with the hard-earned tax money of the American people, are eagerly casting stones at Delaware Tea Party victor Christine O’Donnell. Why?
The short answer is fear. For ethically challenged far-left publications like The New York Times, O’Donnell, Sarah Palin, and the Tea Party as a whole, represent an unblinking and harsh light illuminating the freedom-destroying socialist path they and the President are forcing the American people to walk. To extinguish that light before it’s too late for them, they need to strike hard and often at traditional values espousing personalities like Palin and O’Donnell. For them, the end justifies any means.
We all make mistakes. None of us is perfect. Learning from such mistakes is essential. And forgiveness is a virtue. Unless of course, your far-left utopian dream for a borderless, defenseless, multicultural section of North America formerly known as The United States of America, is about to go up in flames.
Should that be the case, and you are The New York Times, and the anointed voice of the far-left, you offer up laughable attack lines like, “the growling face of a new fringe in American politics,” or “the toxic message of the Tea Party.” Hackneyed, sophomoric and predictable are the only arrows left in the quiver of the politically-correct hire editorial writers for The New York Times. Sad.”
http://townhall.com/columnists/DouglasMacKinnon/2010/09/17/the_lesser_of_two_evils_is_still_evil/page/full/
Forget about being sensible, Rick. Am I the first supportive commenter? The current electoral system is a great, big incumbency protection racket. It takes BOTH a) great energy and perseverance AND b) strategic intelligence to unseat vested interests. THINK. Castle may not have been the biggest conservative down the line, but he was no Lincoln Chafee, either. And as Krauthammer says today, “Delaware is not Kentucky.”
But hey, it makes y’all feel great to beat up on Rick Moran in the comments. All together, just like a mob – doing wonders for the image of the tea party (of which, you’ll be shocked to learn, I am a supporter).
Yes, winning is INADEQUATE IF it elevates weaklings, obsessive compromisers, and closet statists. Bit winning is NECESSARY.
And I am rooting for O’Donnell NOW. What choice do I have? How many of you would have had the sense to pull for Castle had HE gotten the nod?
Name calling and self-righteousness aren’t gonna get us there, folks.
Ahem. Name-calling and self-righteousness doesn’t get us anywhere, Mr. Pot? Ms. Kettle here has noticed that you called folks a “mob.” And you ooze of self-righteousness.
Just sayin’
Forget it, Gracchus.
Firstly, with Moran’s condescention comes an equal or greater reaction.
This was not his first lame article, but only the latest.
Many have had enough.
Secondly, you cannot see into the future.
YOU DO NOT KNOW who will win in November.
Should Coons win, that would still not logically “prove” Moran’s point.
But thank you for supporting O’Donnell.
To elect a conservative, you have to vote for one.
Here, here. Very good point and I agree. The Tea Party is fast becoming a litmus test and just another single issue instead of a movement. At least that is what I see with the comments here.
How queer that someone considers the U.S. Constitution a “single issue.”
PATHETIC.
That is not what I said. I said it is becoming a litmus test and turning into a single issue. This means one is either for or against a candidate that supports the issue. You can be for or against: abortion, gay marriage, global warming, term limits. From the past two days you are either 100% Tea Party or 100% against. One is fast not becoming allowed to back some Tea Party candidates and not others. Not only that if I don’t yell and holler about how wicked Karl Rove is then I am not for the Tea Party therefore I am not a TRUE Conservative. Your backing of O’Donnall has nothing to do with the Constitution it has to do with backing the Tea Party candidate. I like most of what the Tea Party stands for. I am a conservative. I just don’t like being told that if I don’t hate everyone you hate and love everyone you love I am not a good conservative. How’s that? Frankly I think Rove had a bad day. Also, frankly I don’t think the Tea Party has elevated itself much by their behavior the past couple of days. It has been pretty hateful on the boards. If I was the suspicious type I would say there are a lot of trolls on this site and others trying to get some Tea Party person to say something really, really bad that they can use.
Well I see the Left has taken over this site also.Time to push the SPAM BUTTON on PJ .
“Rarely does a single remark in the news, whether from politician or pundit, sum up the attitude of a whole class, in this case our betters. Call them the elite, the anointed, the ruling class — if we would only recognize their superior insight and follow their lead. For they know us better than we know ourselves, at least to hear them tell it. And they do keep trying to tell us. At length. They seem intent on explaining our mysterious refusal to follow their enlightened leadership. But how sum up their whole worldview in a single quote?
“You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Any coincidence between this oh-so-deep psychoanalysis and reality is of course purely coincidental. It’s the sort of thing you hear from cocktail-party types who are always trying to explain how best to appeal to “ordinary Americans.” You know, the hoi polloi, the masses, the rednecks — those poor benighted bigots. The kind of rubes who actually like America. And who can look at it without realizing it’s just a vast collection of wrongs that need to be righted. Poor hicks, they’re really more to be pitied than scorned.
Those who offer such analyses don’t seem to realize that there’s no such thing as an ordinary American. For each of us has his — or her — own eccentricities. Along with the experiences that shaped them. And it’s our delight to fool the kind of pols and pollsters who think they’ve got us figured. The only sure thing you can count on from “ordinary” Americans is that they’ll surprise our oh-so-sophisticated analysts every time.”
http://townhall.com/columnists/PaulGreenberg/2010/09/17/what_they_really_think_of_us/page/full/
I recall Ross Perot pleading at the last second for Americans to consider the best of two horses, implying that while neither was “the best”, one was the “the best worst”. That turned out to be GWB as decided by the Supreme Court in the battleground of Florida where the Democrat’s Lawyers had tickets to fly even before the votes were counted. Well, we got a President with convictions expecially after 9-11 and then both the Democrats and the Republicans proceeded to spend the country “broke”, holding the President hostage so that the man with convictions could lead the country and fulfill his oath of office to protect and serve.
If the entrenched Republicans are concerned about losing their seats, the Democrats also will be squirming in their’s because there is a movement of PEOPLE that will vote them all out and take whatever is the result. Many Americans are betting on the long shot hoping if they let it ride something good will happen.
The Democrats filled an empty shirt with emptiness, this will be a test of whether the Republicans can fill an empty shirt with substance instead of a mirage.
By all means, use astute political thinking and keep nominating people like McCain (Castle). How has that worked for us? Give them a clear choice between left and right, not left and a little less left. Electing Obama was the best thing that ever happened. It has gotten more people in their “right” minds engaged and it appears they are going to stay that way. The 100 year slide to socialism is coming to an abrupt stop and a reversal of course will follow.
CC
I think Mr. Moran is on the mark with his assessment. O’Donnell is not a conservative. Rather, she is an anti-abortion and anti-birth control jihadist who would work towards a state-driven imposition of religious dogma. If one actually reads up on some of O’Donnell’s positions, it is a real scary picture. But I doubt that the Tea Party adherents who are living in a “wet dream” world will bother to do that, or will just make excuses.
I also question her fiscal competency. If she can’t get her own fiscal house in order, how does anyone expect her to get the nation’s fiscal house in order? Along the same lines, I find it amusing, and sad, that Tea Party adherents are focused on Obama out-of-control spending, but continue to ignore the hundreds of billions in waste at the Pentagon. I wonder how many Tea Partiers are supporting the efforts of Defense Secretary Gates to bring some order to the Pentagon chaos, and thus actually focus on a strong national defense instead of the current financial free-for-all?
Those of the ilk of Ms. O’Donnell and Sharon Angle in Nevada; “traditional values” adherents all; have had control of the Republican party grassroots here in Colorado for some years. Under their inept control, since 2004, Dems have taken the governorship; both houses of the state legislature; a Senate seat; and two House seats. Given the Colorado example, I think CINO candidates like O’Donnell and Angle will keep the Dems in control of the Senate come November (CINO = “conservative in name only”).
Thanks, Steve, for letting all of us here know how DKos and HuffPo in Colorado think.
You sound quite certain of that. Can you substantiate your claim? You made it in another post, but you didn’t bother to substantiate it there. I assume that’s just because you…wait, why should I assume anything about someone else’s vitriol?
By the way, Mrs. O’Donnell’s religious views about sexual propriety are made irrelevant by the “No religious test for public office” clause in the Constitution. Harping on her religious views makes you sound like a pro-abortion shill, or possibly a homosexual-rights activist. Is one of those your real agenda? Or is it just that you don’t like feeling naughty about nailing random bimbos and playing with yourself?
Either prove the meat of your case — the emphasized words in the above — or kindly spare us.
I did prove it, Francis. I gave you a reference to her Saviour group. As for being a pro-abortion shill or homosexual rights activist, I am neither. I simply don’t want big government in my, or other citizens, bedrooms. If you truly believe in the no religious test for pubic office in the Constitution, would you vote for an atheist?
For Ed Wallis, I have no idea what Daily Kos thinks about things here in Colorado, or the Huffington Post. Have never read DK and seldom read HuffPo.
What you gave me, Steve, was neither a link to any site nor a substantiation of your claim that Mrs. O’Donnell seeks to have her opinions about sexual sin made into law. That, after all, is the heart of your allegation.
I had to Google furiously even to find a reference to the SALT group Mrs. O’Donnell helped to found. I was unable, with considerable effort, to find any statement of hers that could be construed to mean that she seeks to make masturbation, birth control, etc., made illegal. Inasmuch as I’m a rather devout Catholic myself, I take allegations and accusations of your sort seriously. Very seriously: I see them as a tactic for excluding Catholics from the national political discourse, much less from elective office.
Your mealy-mouthed comeback — Would you vote for an atheist? — is a low shot. At any rate, the answer is YES: if he’s a proven, faithful allegiant to the Constitution of the United States. I’ve done so before, and no doubt I’ll do so again when the situation arises. So you can cram that back down your gullet.
It’s time to put up or shut up, Bubba. Either show your high cards, or be known as a liar, and of the worst sort, at that.
Francis: it’s not my problem if you can’t find the link to Ms.O’Donnell’s Saviour group. Mr.Moran provided a link regarding her views in his article. Denver Post article today found a reference to Ms. O’Donnell saying that condoms are “anti-human.”
You try to take me to task for my concerns about Ms.O’Donnell’s social views and demand proof. Yet you have referred to Mike Castle as a liberal and the Dem opponent as a hard-left Marxist. You provide no proof. And just what is a liberal or Marxist these days. Now, commenters in posts #100 and 102 tried to make Castle’s votes for cap & trade as a bad idea. Funny, since cap & trade originated in the Reagan administration as a market driven method of dealing with the then problem of acid rain. And it worked.
STEVEB, fortunately, we have video to prove you categorically wrong. This morning on MSNBC’s Scarborough show they played video of O’Donnell “debating” Coons after the election. There she states categorically that her remarks about masturbation, etc., were voiced 20 years ago and that she would NOT govern with those views.
Please find the video. O’D may have a lot of “baggage,” but she is far more erudite and “weighty” than you give her credit for.
I suspect this article is a farce.
Full disclosure: I voted for Paladino, because the last thing we need is a choice between two career politicians. I wouldn’t pick him for a friend. I don’t care about his position on social issues. New York is broke, and we cannot afford more of the same. Paladino has accomplished something without my money. You can’t say that of Lazio, or Cuomo, or Schumer, or the female Schumer puppet…
You look at the situation as if it were some normal year and prognosticate with your blinders on. The real unemployment and underemployment rate is almost 20 percent. We are running deficits paralleling those of WWII. This cannot continue, and the career politicians who made this mess cannot and will not fix it.
Wars are won one victory at a time.
What about the “Republicans” that lose to Tea Party candidates then run as Independents? Who are they really looking out for, the citizens or themselves and the establishment?
This article is just another example of how BOTH parties have become so out of touch with America that in the end we will have to defeat them both. The time has come to put an end to all of these self serving “servants” and put the power back to where it rightfully belongs…to the people.
Let me see, “we’ll have to pass the bill before we know what’s in it,” or ” we haven’t read it yet (Obamacare Bill)” for one year the economy has been ignored and I am still unemployed..Yep, I guess you’re right Rick, I’ll keep voting for the established parties.
Maybe you can send me some money for food for my family.
I am madder than a wet hen…you ignorant jerkoff….I am a loser…oh yes i am…..like alot of imperfect Americans….i have a checkered past….and today …..i am a upstanding citizen….REDEMPTION you coward…..in your tower….looking down upon the unwashed masses….the hoi polloi……because some has religion…..or views not communist enough for you……alot of Americans have a bit of sacrilege in their past….we pray to our gods and do the next right thing and move on with our lives….helping to grow America….THE MARXISTS WILL NOT TRIUMPH…ever..never…..crawl into your hole…you disgust us regular folk
“a flawed (but not half as blemished) moderately liberal Republican”
Today’s “moderately liberal Republicans” stand just to the left of Reagan-era left-wing Democrats…electing them gets us nowhere in the big scheme of things.
“O’Donnell will be slaughtered and the likelihood of a GOP takeover of the Senate — already a long shot — will go down the tubes.”
Castle’s record already demonstrates that if he were in the seat he would be “reaching across the aisle” when standing against the Democrats counted most. As far as that one seat’s one vote is concerned, a Castle win would have essentially been the same thing as a Coons win.
It’s not about the number of Rs after people’s names. It’s about beginning to put on the brakes and (over time) turning back the last eighty years of progressivism. Short of that, America is dead anyway so we may as well go all-in.
“Yes, but the tea party people stuck it to the establishment.”
Despite what the news tells you, this was never what it was about. The tea party people secured the only hope (out of four possible outcomes) of having a meaningful voice in that seat.
Before the primary decision, there were four possible ways the November election could have gone: Coons over Castle, Castle over Coons, Coons over O’Donnell, and O’Donnell over Coons. The first three result in (essentially) a Democrat vote when it counts (like Cap and Tax), so who the hell cares what letter comes after the senator’s name? That’s the same kind of good-for-nothing that’ll break a Republican block-vote at the eleventh hour anyway.
And the seat was Biden’s – a Democrat’s – before…so it’s not even like losing the seat results in a net loss for the Republicans. This is precisely the kind of race where it’s worth going “all-in” and trying to get one more *meaningful* vote in there.
No, to use your analogy, electing Castle just to get another “R” in there is “going for the kill” as the win would be meaningless. The only “victory” is getting a vote that you can count on to be *against* the progressives every single time…that vote would not have been Castle’s…
Voters stole the election…
Islamic birth control is a bomb strapped to a ten year old.
Bloomberg wears fishnet stockings, a garter belt and high heels under his burqa.
“Voters stole the election…”
POTD!
I am SO stealing that!
Talk about talking smack….”No doubt the destruction of one of the few RINOs left in the GOP was satisfying”
What planet are you living on Rick? The question of RINOs is all relative. Take a look in the mirror and you will see they are far from gone.
This be the people’s country my friend and while the elites and the NeoCons might think it is their country, there are a couple hundred million Americans who still think it is their country. O’Donnell will win in Delaware and the tide will wash a lot of other Democrats not yet perceived as being in the in the killing pool far out to sea.
Are you sure you are spelling your name right??? Just wondering… it COULD explain a lot!
I suppose you have an alternative spelling for “nickel”? Perhaps you should try buying a dictionary.
I think that thrust was aimed at Mr. Moran.
Even Dems are defending her..
Just a note–Pols Gotta Eat: Delaware GOP Senate primary victor Christine O’Donnell has been accused of “living on campaign donations–using them for rent and personal expenses.” This might sound illegal but it’s not necessarily. Sure the Federal Election Commission regulations go on and on about how a campaign can’t use contributions to pay for the candidate’s personal expenses–including food and rent. But the regs explicitly allow candidates to pay themselves a salary (as long as it doesn’t exceed what they made “as earned income in the previous year”). Trust me, that’s a provision I was eyeing eagerly when I ran for Senate, though I never had enough surplus money to pay myself anything. … Given that candidates can pay themselves money and then use that money for personal expenses, I find it hard to get too worked up about O’Donnell’s alleged transgression. …
P.S.: Apparently the FEC woke up and realized that if you prevent candidates from paying themselves, and prevent friends from giving them money to live on, and prevent employers from giving them cushy no-show jobs, then only idle rich people could afford to be full-time candidates. … The downside of the “salary” rule is that it opens the door for professional loser candidates who run year after year, milking their small flock of die-hard contributors. … Hmmm. …
P.P.S.: I would think the ‘previous year income’ limit on candidate salaries might be unconstitutional, given that it operates viciously against poor candidates–it means Mitt Romney-CEO types can help themselves to hundreds of thousands of dollars out of campaign contributions while a minimum- wage worker who runs for the very same office violates the law if he pays himself $18,000 a year. … O’Donnell might have been on solid legal ground, then, even if she paid herself more than the $6,000 she allegedly earned as a marketing consultant last year. …
P.P.P.S.: Is it just me or are the “Craziest Things Christine O’Donnell Has Ever Said” not really all that horrifying? I think my greatest-hits reel would be worse. … 9:50 P.M.
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What was really insightful about the Christine O’Donnell fiasco was how poorly Karl Rove and even more surprisingly Charles Krautheimer misplayed it. Not content with a series of obviously unforced errors they both doubled down on their bets and came back on the air to lecture Americans about why their power politics should have been the criteria for the primary election not the representation of the people. I have respected both of these men for decades and now I wonder if they are all too human as well. Foolish moves for anyone trying to secretly manipulate the power of the masses. NEXT.
CK is a man of great intelligence, but that probably does not suffice now. In the past, many intelligent people succumbed to both national socialist and communist tyrannies simply because they could not see clearly.
Nothing disinfects like direct sunlight. It is far better to have a Democrat win that Senate seat so that the sheeple may finally see the cause of their pitiful economic existence than a shiftless unprincipled RINO who becomes a blame magnet for when the inevitable Democrat epic fail occurs. When our economy hits the shitter bigtime by end of 2011 (DOW 5500, unemployment 11%)2012 should set up nicely for the next Tea Party step – the White House. And who knows, ODonnell may just squeak it out.
seconded
“It’s time to stop mocking the Tea Party.”
“The Washington establishment has its nose out of joint because a rag-tag group of misfits have deigned to challenge the entitled incompetents who run the U.S. Congress. Somehow, because a few of the Tea Party candidates support abstinence training, or other garden variety right-wing notions, they are more dangerous than the people who were actually in charge of our country as it was being run into the ground economically.
We’ve been treated to obsessive coverage of Christine O’Donnell’s opinions on masturbation, and whether she had premarital sex, because we all know that these are the Very Important Issues facing our country.
Every Tea Party candidate has been variously described as crazy, stupid, and on track to destroy America, if elected. Funny, that’s pretty much what was said about Barry Goldwater and his followers by the establishment. And yet, that didn’t stop him from reshaping the Republican Party and laying the groundwork for the Reagan Revolution.
Today, Barry Goldwater is romanticized as an undiplomatic but principled conservative with an adorable penchant for “shooting from the lip.” He retired after decades in the Senate as a revered elder statesman. Even Hillary Clinton once referred to herself as a “Goldwater girl.””
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-16/stop-ridiculing-the-tea-party/
“Even Hillary Clinton once referred to herself as a “Goldwater girl.”””
My God, but the Sixties were a very,very strange time, huh?
Victory at the cost of principle is no victory at all. Politics is not about winning, it is about defending individual rights. If you win by making it impossible to defend individual rights, you have lost.
Case in point: DISCLOSE is dead. Mr. Castle was a key player in once again trying to muzzle those who actually produce wealth and create jobs.
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”
Thomas Jefferson
“We conservatives are constantly fending off the Quislings..”
Mark Levin
http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-its-time-to-raise-our-voices
And what exactly has compromising our principles, voting for the “lessor” of two evils, voting for the most electable from the right, strategy gotten us so far.
ANOTHER DAY OLDER, AND DEEPER IN DEBT
When the person on the right, is not much better then the person on the left, maybe it’s time to throw the bad cards out, and get new cards from the dealer.
Yes! A “Scrabble” election…dump the tiles and pick again!!!!
Boy, that was one silly article.
I like it how the moderates destroyed the GOP, and helped get a marxist and a bunch of lunatics running Washington, only to have the Tea Party come along and throw the GOP and the country a lifeline, at a very perilous time (thanks to squishes like Moran). The GOP, which had basically committed suicide, starting with the amnesty push and capped off with the asinine John McShame candidacy, finally has a chance to come back to life and they are now dictating to those who are saving them about how we should act and vote.
And that movie analogy was about as dumb as they come. I’ve had quite enough of the Vichy Right.
I, too, suspect this article is a joke. I find it hard to believe that PJM would allow someone so abominably stupid to write for them. If it was a joke, then might I suggest that it was in extremely poor taste, and if we wanted poor taste and fluff jokes we would be reading some other publication? Very poor editorial decision. On the off chance that it was not a joke:
Dear Mr. Moran [and PJM Editors],
The Tea Parties ARE NOT REPUBLICAN. The GOP is not the solution, it is part of the problem.
Had you ever paid attention to anything at all about the Tea Parties, this simple fact would have screamed out at you.
You moron.
No, it’s not a joke, Rick Moran has been feebly beating this kind of little drum since at least November of ’08.
Every so often, he climbs up on his soap-box and berates Conservatives for being the Republicans’ electoral “Achilles Heel”.
And Moran is not a moron, what I think he is is someone who has let Conservatism largely be defined, in his mind, by those who are its enemies.
So while he’s not a moron, he DOES often play one on PJM.
What YOU have to bear in mind also is that we are having discussions with Moran and his fellow Rockefellerians because it is still POSSIBLE to communicate with them.
Could you envision trying to have any kind of civil discourse with a slobbering moonbat who, sitting behind their computer, would be absolutely convinced that the entirety of PJM’s commentariat were looking at our monitors through the eye-holes of the Klan robes we were wearing?
Moran just needs to realize that his favored brand of Republicanism is largely becoming a relic because of the success of the Left in advancing its social and economic agendas. This very success, (that people like Moran helped bring about through “bipartisanship” and “compromise”), is what is responsible for the growing number of people who are saying:
“ENOUGH!”
with their ballots, their bucks and their boots.
A movie reference then an ‘analysis’ gleaned from MSNBC. *sigh*
The Tea Party movement activists are standing up and making the establishment fight for their political lives, and some pseudo-conservatives, like Moran and many others, don’t like it one bit.
The Tea Party movement defines winning as winning. It does not define it as “become Democrat-lite.”
Moran, it seems, simply wants Republicans to maintain power and privilege, which is why rather than fighting for his principles, he would abandon them at the drop of a hat and attack the Republican nominee in Delaware.
Title: “Tea Party Defines Losing as Winning.”
First sentence, second page: “O’Donnell may in fact win.”
Is it incoherent in here, or is it just me?!
The tone of this article is like so many others who cower in the wake of Tea Party influences. It reflects a great deal of ignorance, fear and hatred for non ‘affiliated’ voters who are fed up with the self styled historical political revisionism of the past 40 years where politician after politician is elected on reform rhetoric and once they complete the freshman indoctrination by the “good old boys” deeply entrenched in the cronyism of the status quo on capitol hill, it’s back to business as usual and Americans get screwed all over again. Nothing says that we won’t face this exact same thing after (potentially) a clean sweep with Tea Party supporters, demonstrating that we have a hopelessly broken system. But it is very much worth a try. Shallow envy of the loss of handouts stolen from the successful thru class jealousies and possibly the end to cronyism and incestuous dealings with big business who have paid HUGE sums for favoritism from politicians pose serious threats to existing “politics”.
This article points up those fears. And the fundamental misunderstanding or intentional misdirection of those like Mr. Moran trying to ‘interpret’ for those not able to see the truth themselves.
Government isn’t (supposed to be) in charge here, we are. And (establishment) government has proven undeniably they are incapable of trust or being able to do the job with even the remotest competence. And we are tired of the exhausting and endless failure.
It was the people that constructed the government. Now, government has morphed into some Frankenstein’ monster running amuck and reeking havoc on every thing it touches. It has even destroyed our international relations, once quite good, for it’s own ends.
Denial ain’t a river in Egypt. Yet, EVERY politician has set sail in denial of their purpose, duty and responsibility. If it ain’t clear to idiots like Mr. Moran yet, it hopefully will be. And not soon enough.
CHALLENGE TO THE WINNERS: Can you get O’Donnell over the top? NOTHING ELSE MATTERS, Moran is right about that,if she loses in November you are losers. I have been involved in something like this in a local (state house) election in a neighboring state. It was very painful and the voters are paying a hefty price still. Outside conservative groups came in, propped up a weak (no money, few friends) ultra-right candidate & knocked off a longtime incumbent who was generally conservative and very effective. Then these groups disappeared, leaving the locals with a bad, broke candidate with no friends to help him. The loss of this seat flipped the State House and who do we have today, a left wing SEIU member, bankrolled by Union Pacs who votes 100% with our cheese steak eating, nitwit lefty Governor who raised spending 40% while creating a $ 3 to 4b dollar deficit & bankrupted the state but hey, they sure did show us a thing or two!!
Now we are in a dogfight. We must raise over $100k to compete, trying to dump this idiot with our small business man candidate who will actually represent our district if we can get him over the top. This is our only chance to get the seat in this good cycle for challengers.
You can’t spend the entire primary kicking everyone in the groin and then when the election is over expect your targets to just line up & support you. YOU HAVE TO DO IT YOURSELVES!! YOU have to raise the money & YOU have to provide the volunteers to do the work on the ground. You cannot alienate voters who generally agree but may not completely agree with your positions. If she is getting traction in the general & people see that O’Donnell can win, then she will get all kinds of help. I agree that she can be no worse that the loony lefties in Congress today!
This cycle is your ONLY CHANCE TO WIN, people like winners, stop whining about the “elites” and go get it!!
Yo, Bubba: We’re not the one’s whining. We’re the ones marching.
“You can’t spend the entire primary kicking everyone in the groin and then when the election is over expect your targets to just line up & support you.”
Umm…isn’t that EXACTLY what Castle and his establishment-Republican pundit friends did to Cmp O’Donnell?!
“Moran is right about that,if she loses in November you are losers.”
No..see…even if Castle won we’d still be losers as we’d just have one more turncoat, Democrat-wannabe in the seat…and one whose duplicity would be trotted out whenever blame needed to be deflected from the Dems or “bipartisan” support for something needed to be claimed.
Honestly, given that, a Coons win would be far better than a Castle one…
What an ingrate idiot.
1. Without the enthusiasm of the Tea Party, Moran’s precious GOP would have not chance of retaking the Senate even with their beloved “moderates”. Screw you if you don’t like us. If the GOP establishment doesn’t straighten out their act, we will leave and take 3/4 of the Republican Party membership with us.
2. We have been fooled too many times by the electable “moderate” B.S. Ford instead of Reagan in ’76 (thanks for Jimmy Carter). Arlen Specter over Toomey (how did that work out?). Olympia Snowe – thanks for Obamacare and the stimulus. Lindsey Graham , like Castle, wants a Cap & Trade bill.
We know that a Rino is nothing more than an unreliable Democrat. Whenever the Democrats need a few extra votes for wasteful spending or a new federal agencies, they only have pay off a Rino to “reach across the isle” to get it passed.
3. RINO’s destroy the Republican image and product. The big spenders of 2000 – 2006 handed Congress and the Presidency to the Democrats.
No more. I would rather see a Democrat win than a Rino.
Rick
I think everyone, or nearly everyone…is misreading the “tea leaves”. Completely.
Peggy Noonan (of all people), seems to be at least on the right track.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703440604575496221482123504.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
Christine O’Donnell may not be “mainstream” in some of her views. She may have had financial issues and tried to gloss over them, or polish them up so she wouldn’t be beaten to death with them. She may hold more strict and orthodox Catholic views on sexual matters.
Now, compare those “sins” against Chris Dodd. Barney Frank. Charlie Rangel. Maxine Waters. Compare her “belief system” against that of Jan Schakowsky (and her husband).
Are there tax cheats, mortgage shenanigans, and bizarre sexual beliefs…that are glossed over, hidden and obscured littered throughout the EXISTING Congress and Senate?
Who throws the first stone in that glass house? Are there any mirrors in that glass house?
I LOVE Charles Krauthammer. (and VDH, Michael Barone, Dennis Prager). These are my type of thinkers. I think Karl Rove has been brutally savaged, unfairly and with great conspiracy by the left and their mass media stooges.
You and I probably don’t disagree on as much as we agree upon. But, CK, Karl, and you are missing the bigger picture. You are misreading the “tea leaves”.
The Tea Party is not about Republican vs. Democrat. It is not about conservative vs. “liberal”. (this is also the misread by my friends here in the comments cheap seats with me)
It is not about Christine O’Donnell. It is not about Coons or Castle. It is not about Sarah Palin and it is not about Jim DeMint.
It is about WE, THE PEOPLE. We are sick and tired of being slandered. We are sick and tired of being lied to…and about. We are sick and tired of being called stupid and racist. We are sick and tired of being used. We are sick and tired of having self-absorbed, lazy, bureaucrats sticking their hands in our pockets to “redistribute” OUR money, to THEIR friends and themselves.
It’s not THEIR money to “redistribute”.
We are sick and tired of “legislators” flaunting rules WE set in place to self-govern this land of ours.
We are sick and tired of them spending OUR money, our kids’ money and our grandkids’ money on idiotic “programs” and earmarks and pork.
We are sick and tired of them not reading the damn four hundred pound piece of nonsense, that they pass without reading and through means that circumvent the rules WE insist they abide by.
We are sick and tired of the “go along to get along” ENTITLEMENT mentality of being re-elected because you are in the “old boy” network. It’s not YOUR damn seat…it’s OURS. You need to obtain it the old fashioned way…you need to EARNNNNNNN IT.
Our vote isn’t a “given” any longer. We do not want to be led by people who believe and act as if we are “homegrown terrorists”. Who think OUR money is THEIRS to do with as they damn well please.
Who treat our own men and women in uniform as if they are criminals. Who sue our own states for wanting to protect our borders. Who call US horrible people because we don’t want a shrine to mass murderers built upon the ashes of our innocent countrymen.
The LARGER issue…is not whether Republicans take back the Senate because of one silly race in Delaware…it’s whether we take back the country from people who have slandered, ignored, pillaged and besmirched us for too long. The bigger picture is this:
We, the people DESPISE the lies, cheating, pork, and ripping off of our land. We DESPISE the way the mass media portrays us and OUR country.
And, if you don’t stand with us…then you stand against us. Whether you have an R or a D next to your name. Can you hear us now?
CFB: you are very eloquent about the waste of money on idiotic programs, earmarks, and pork. How do you feel about this? In Feb., 2009, the Governmental Accountability Office (GAO) released a study of Pentagon weapons procurement programs. 66 of 94 programs reviewed were running a collective $268 billon over budget. That’s not chump change and dwarfs any money that would have been earmarked for Alaska’s “bridge to nowhere.”
This isn’t money to help the troops or make us feel safer. It’s money that is lining the pockets of defense contractors. I’ve yet to hear any prominent Tea Party adherent come out against that type of spending. In order to be consistent and have credibility, one can’t just be against the Obama stimulus, but should be against all waste in federal spending.
I am against ALL pork, earmarks and craptacular spending, no matter which governmental department it seeps out of…including $7000 toilet seats and $4000 hammers from the Pentagon.
Except, that really is an interesting attack…why do leftists always go after our military, when we talk about waste? It’s a kneejerk and predictable response. I’m not on board with that.
CFB: I’m glad to hear you’re against Pentagon waste. You also wrote: “except, that is really an interesting attack….why do leftists always go after our military, when we talk about waste….” Because, waste is waste, no matter which federal agency it originates from. And why would you assume that anyone who criticizes Pentagon waste is either leftist or anti-military? Visit this web site if you want to learn more: http://www.cdi.org . The GAO’s website has other information about military spending issues other than just the Feb., 2009 report.
Because whenever a criticism of the left is leveled, it almost always produces a response against the military. I’m not on board with that, I AM on board with doing away with ridiculous spending, earmarks and pork.
I just wanted to make that clear, when I came back with my response.
Most military waste is pork. Congress critters use the defense budget to get contracts for companies in their home states, to keep bases open that the military no longer needs, and other such things. This kind of thing is EXACTLY what the Tea Parties are against.
Wow! That about sums it up.
Thank you for corrrectly framing the ISSUE that Mr. Moran and nearly every other pundit is totally missing!
As seen repeatedly with the likes of Jeffords, Specter, et al; it makes no difference if you elect someone with the “R” behind the name, you still have functionally elected a Democrat. The Republican “establishment” is self-destructing and has been for years from that attitude. They are now trying desperately to co-opt the Tea Party movement because so many of the GOP’s loyal supporters (that used to include me) have recognized that the time, money and effort we put into electing “R” candidates is a waste if that’s not who the candidate really is. Castle, McCain, Murkowski, Graham, Snow, Collins and their fellow RINOs are all symptoms of the problem.
Each new “thought piece” reaching new heights of cluelessness. One might almost consider someone like this working for the other side.
So long as the GOP establishment at the state level insists on backing RINO candidates, Tea Partiers are obligated to vote against them if there is a more conservative candidate in the race. Why does this seem so hard to get across? The days of moderate-liberal Republicans running the party are over, so please quit whining and get used to it.
Isn’t it funny how the Establishment GOP (Group of Prostitutes) expects us to vote for their flawed candidate, no matter what, but they can’t stand it if a less-than perfect candidate whom they don’t control manages to knock off their puppet! Well, the message is this – either the GOP supports O’Donnell full tilt, with money, or they can forget about scaring us into voting for “the lesser of the two evils” forever!
PS. There are no perfect candidates.
Somewhere deep in Moran’s mind there’s a point lurking, I totally lost him on the “defeat” thing. One of the worst posts I’ve seen on P J since I started here.
I guess Rick wants to be invited to a few lunches and get some phone calls answered from Republican biggies.
Moran, you seem to think we are willing to have a return to the Republican Party of 2006. If that is the goal, then I would just as soon have the Democrats in charge.
This is a sea change and you better get your boat turned around. The Tea Party is about fiscal responsibility, and anyone who voted for cap and trade has insufficient understanding of economics to be in the Senate. Period.
I can only repeat what many others have already said:
IF WE KEEP ELECTING RINOs, THE DEMOCRATS WILL ALWAYS HAVE TWO MAJORITIES, AN OFFICIAL ONE AND AN UNOFFICIAL ONE.
There is no use in “winning” if we send RINOs to Congress.
The Long March against socialism has just started, we cannot win in the end if we surrender our principles now.
You don’t “win” against the commies by filling the Congress with agents of the commies.
This is not politics as usual, the American People have understood that, the pundits haven’t.
To pile on a bit more….
The Tea Party is not an extension of the GOP – it is a ground swell movement. That’s what makes people like Mr. Moran so insanely afraid of it, I wager; decentralized power is downright scary to folks who think they have everything figured out. It’s obvious that DE Repubicans are fed up with Mr. Castle’s “conservatism” – which isn’t conservatism at all – and that’s really what’s at issue in American politics in 2010 and beyond, isn’t it?
Mr. Moran sings:
“Saint Peter don’t you call me ’cause I can’t go,
I owe my soul to the company store”
I’m sorry to use comments to communicate this, but when I tried to read this article on RightWingNutHouse, Google gave me this message:
The website at rightwingnuthouse.com contains elements from the site rpc.blogrolling.com, which appears to host malware – software that can hurt your computer or otherwise operate without your consent. Just visiting a site that contains malware can infect your computer.
I’m a liberal and not inclined to paranoia, but do you have any reason to think you’re being censored by Google?
One more point, against ALL pundits:
We would not be in this situation if the GOP had nominated a conservative in 2008.
We are in ObaMAOIST regime quite because the GOP nominated a RINO in 2008.
THAT is a losing strategy.
We have learned the lesson, the pundits haven’t.
If not taking the gloves off in a dirty fight makes you a RINO, I will agree with you. Being Nobel will get you slaughtered in a dirty fight…that’s a lesson you should have learned in the 2008 election. That is a losing strategy.
Dear Rick,
O’Donnell may lose in November but there are none so willing to “tell it like (they think) it is” on the Left as there are on the Right. Keep expressing your opinions about how corrupt and unelectable are those tea Party candidates who strangely enough won the primaries they ran in; with Karl Rove, Charles Krauthammer, et. al. you’re definitely in good company but, unfortunately, with more “good company” like yours you will likely be able to wallow and gloat in your self fulfilling prophecy post November. Then you’ll be able to chastise those rascally, ignorant, misguided Tea Partiers along with the enigmatic Mr. Beck into that neat little pigeon hole. “See! I told you so!”
But, perhaps you and Karl and Charles, who I have a great deal of respect for, were out front ferreting out all the nasty details surrounding O’Donnell’s past and using your megaphone to expose her and all the rest of the tea Party candidates that inexplicably and much to your dismay, kept winning those Primaries. O’Donnell has personal baggage, no doubt, but her democratic opponent is certainly no paragon of American patriotism and where are you on Chris Coons, the so called “bearded Marxist.” If you lived in Delaware would you vote for this guy?
I held my nose and voted for McCain in 2008. I suspect the citizens of Delaware might do the same if folks like you did due diligence, fully investigated Coon’s background and gave it at least equal exposure to O’Donnell’s. Just off the top, Marxist or a conservative, young, careless, irresponsible, fibber who has perhaps matured a little. Oh my! What to do? Hold your nose!
The Democrats and their minions are going to go on offense on all the Republican candidates and especially those they see as vulnerable. That assessment, in part, will result in a laser focus aimed at those who were stiff armed by their own. I would hope that in the future you will spend more of your valuable time fending off those attacks and stop helping the other side by lamenting O’Donnell’s victory. That is if you are who I think you are.
Moran: “They took a fatally flawed candidate in Delaware — a deadbeat who stopped paying her mortgage, a tax dodge, a radical, out-of-the-mainstream social conservative”
OK, for the sake of discussion, let’s say O’Donnell is a weak candidate, even a flake. In that case, it is time for us to remember when the very corrupt Edwin Edwards ran against David Duke for the Louisiana senate seat. Good government types held their noses and lined up behind Edwards under the slogan: “Vote for the Crook. It’s important!”
In Delaware, Castle supported half of Obama’s destructive program, and Coons enthusiastically supports it all. If Christine is as bad as Moran suggests, it is nonetheless time to say, “Vote for the flake. It’s important!”
Genius is the ability to decide what is important. Rick Moran has demonstrated that. Many of the commenters here seem to believe been right is enough. Welcome to planet earth children, just to be safe better stay indoors.
So, you voted for McCain in his overwhelming victory over Obama, right? I’m not sure when the likes of you will figure out from the many examples of the defeat of wishy-washy Republicans that real conservatives CAN win. People like you said that Reagan couldn’t win either. Two landslides later…
In Delaware, GOP should target Dems, not O’Donnell
“Imagine for a moment that Republicans were not consumed with the various faults of the party’s newly chosen Delaware Senate candidate, Christine O’Donnell. What would GOP operatives, both in Delaware and in Washington, be doing right now? They’d be attacking the record of O’Donnell’s Democratic opponent, Chris Coons. As it turns out, there’s plenty to attack, if Republicans ever get around to it.”
“Put it all together, and could central casting have come up with a better Democrat for a Republican to run against? “We believe that Chris Coons, with his record of raising taxes, has shown throughout his career that he would rather take orders and directives from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid than do what is right for Delaware and the country,” says state GOP spokesman Thomas Doheny.”
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/In-Delaware_-GOP-should-target-Dems_-not-O_Donnell-883378-103093409.html#ixzz0znyNL2Wh
“A day after saying the GOP had united headed into the fall elections, South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint laid out a sweeping indictment of Washington Republicans on Thursday, accusing party leaders of quietly trying to discredit conservatives and undermine their chances at the polls.
In a fundraising solicitation sent to supporters, DeMint said the Washington establishment had “launched an all-out assault” on him for backing the “principled” Christine O’Donnell, the conservative Republican who shocked moderate Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) but now has imperiled the party’s chances of winning the Delaware Senate seat in the fall.
“They say she can’t win and that by supporting her, I’ve helped lose the seat for Republicans,” DeMint said. “Well, I’ve been in the majority with Republicans who didn’t have principles, and we embarrassed ourselves and lost credibility in front of the country. Frankly, I’m at a point where I’d rather lose fighting for the right cause than win fighting for the wrong cause.”
And he highlighted anonymous comments Republicans have made criticizing him in the press, saying such attacks “are really against you and the thousands of freedom-loving Americans in Delaware who supported Christine.”
“National Republicans are not going to invest real money in this race and her primary opponent, Rep. Mike Castle, is refusing to endorse her,” DeMint wrote to supporters of his political action committee, the Senate Conservatives Fund. “The dirty little secret in Washington is that the establishment is quietly rooting for Christine to lose so they can continue to peddle their discredited line that conservatives cannot win.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42306.html#ixzz0zo0ThZtp
Thank you all who have commented on this article by the clueless Moran. It is heartening to read comments from so many like-minded people.
And thank you Rick Moran for outing yourself as a CINO – Conserative In Name Only. My new acronym for the likes of you – and Dr. Charles Krauthammer – and Karl (I am a genius) Rove – and so many other CINOs who thought a faux Republican (RINO) should have gotten the nod over Christine O’Donnell.
You’ve unleashed a shitstorm on yourselves – may you never recover!!! Never Never Never stand in front of a fan and throw crap. Don’t piss into the wind – and quit lecturing us on whom should govern us.
THANKS to all you CINOs for outing yourselves. All this time you’ve been under the cloak of conservatism – making the case for your hand-picked candidates – playing would-be king/queen makers.
Now it begins in earnest – the bare-knuckled fight for the heart and soul of the GOP – and at stake is the future of our country.
Lets put a stake in the heart of the old guard GOP elite – no more money donations to these idiots. Make your donations to the candidate directly until the GOP finally gets a clue and starts backing conservative minded candidates who show respect for the Constitution – for the values of our country that have been cultivated and work – and for a return to sane fiscal responsibility.
I doubt either party has any idea of just what is happening in this country – the Tea Party isn’t just some small movement from radical elements. I’ve been to a couple of small gatherings. These are REAL Americans.
November will be a shakeup for the Democrats – the primaries have been a shakeup for the CINOs. Thanks to people like the comments here We The People finally have the advantage over the power elite. As long as we have the vote we will prevail. The liberals in the democrat party and RINOs in the republican party have pissed off the voters – and that is where the power should be – was meant to be – and will be – at least while we have the vote.
The GOP is dead. The TEA Party is alive and the future for Conservative America. Mr. Moran is obviously dead morally.
You know folks I could not disagree with this article more. Over the short term, we might actually be better with an honest to God Democrat than a RINO in a lot of these places and races (Delaware included). A card carrying Democrat can be opposed directly. A left wing Republican is much more difficult to do anything about. You have no alternative but to do what the O’Donnell camp did – buck the establishment and engage in a primary fight. It is extremely difficult to get good candidates who are interested in doing that.
I am one of those who thinks that (over the short term) we MIGHT be better off with Obama than McCain. McCain would have done much of the same stuff and probably would have gotten farther with amnesty. Obama has at least served the purpose of galvanizing the right in opposition. Obama is personally handing the left its biggest defeat in more than a decade. McCain would have supported the left and the right would stay home.
“Winning” is NOT electing Republicans. Winning is electing conservatives. Republican is just a term that SOMETIMES means conservatives. There is NO VALUE AT ALL in holding your nose and voting for a RINO. The national party wont help us get rid of RINOS.
From WaPo, no less…
Has Sarah Palin saved the GOP?
“Delaware Republicans have proved it: Sarah Palin is the best asset the GOP has right now.
There has been a lot of carping about Republicans’ prospects for November since Palin-backed candidate Christine O’Donnell defeated longtime Delaware officeholder Mike Castle for the Republican Senate nomination Tuesday. But contrary to conventional wisdom, the 2008 vice presidential nominee has kept the party strong. How? She has kept the Tea Party faithful inside the GOP tent. Had she instead encouraged these disillusioned voters to mount third-party challenges across the 2010 general-election ballot, dozens of Democratic incumbents, not to mention challengers, would be smiling like Woodrow Wilson in 1912.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/16/AR2010091606348.html
#89 — somehow 50 or 60 comments that you agree with just don’t quite add up to the 60 million you need to say the TP has the majority of people needed to win.
Yes, after November when O’Donnell loses we can expect you and your merry band to say it was all due to the RINO, power mad base, that undermined the efforts of what “the people” want. And as today you will have no evidence there are as many people as you assert.
You are certainly entitled to cultivate your delusions, but I do speak with a LOT of people in a half red-half blue county and I assure you that there is a very large majority of voters, and of people who have never voted before, who are absolutely mad against this subversive administration.
Not “50 or 60 comments” here. Tens of thousands of voters out there in a little county.
We have to work to be sure that all the rage against the subversives will become a vote. That’s all. People like Rove are not cooperating in this effort.
The vocal ‘We The People’ may add up to tens or hundreds of thousands in blogs such as this – but like an ice burg – there is much that you just don’t see.
This comment has all the characteristics of a troll but I will answer anyway.
1) The empty assertion: “after November when O’Donnell loses”, How does Brad know this? He doesn’t. No one knows. This is what they said about her chances against Castle. How did that work out? Chris Matthews, no less, thinks she is going to win the general election.
2) “And as today you will have no evidence there are as many people” Of course there is evidence, mountains of it. The very fact that she won is evidence of it. Then there are the yawning gaps in races across the country as people like Paul, Rubio, Blunt, Miller, Portman, Toomey etc. widen their leads against all sorts of Democrats. Then there are the many, many polls which Brad might want to read outlining the disenchantment with both party establishments and the basic fact, shown in poll after poll, that there are fundamentally 20% liberals, 40% conservatives and 40% independents in this country. The $1.4 million she raised in 48 hours is more evidence. There is a ample evidence that the left and the Dems are demoralized and apathetic while the tea party and Republicans are full of energy, a fact that the chattering classes have been harping on for the last couple of months. Then there is a great deal of polling evidence that independents are presently moving rightward in droves.
Hey Brad, how about his? Does this qualify as evidence?
“After a decisive win in Tuesday’s Republican Primary, businessman Ron Johnson now holds a seven-point lead over incumbent Democrat Russ Feingold in Wisconsin’s U.S. Senate race.
The latest Rasmussen Reports statewide telephone survey of Likely Voters shows Johnson picking up 51% support, while Feingold earns the vote from 44%. One percent (1%) of voters prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) remain undecided.
The significance here goes beyond this state. This slippage in one of the “toss-up” races amounts to a five-alarm fire calling for triage by the DSCC. If they want to save their majority, they are going to have to abandon other candidates. Among the weakest links: Lee Fisher in Ohio (suddenly 20 points behind), whomever they would have backed in Florida (Charlie Crist or Kendrick Meek), Joe Sestak in Pennsylvania, and Rep. Paul Hodes, D, who is running for Senate in New Hampshire.”
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/if-delaware-seemed-like-good-news-to-dems-wisconsin-is-killing-them-now-103134134.html#ixzz0zoJBliVB
Does anyone remember the Dems “50 State Strategy”? Now we have the Democrat Party abandoning US Senate races in the bellwether states of Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania because they are unwinnable and the funds are urgently needed elsewhere. Meanwhile, they and their minions in the press lecture the right on what makes a good candidate and how to win elections.
I am happy to see that the country is finally seeing the light on what the Tea Party is all about. It is a loose confederation of fiscal conservatives that have all kinds of different warts, but one over arching principle that they absolutely hate big government fraud, waste, and abuse. The casualties of this are the progressives in both parties, but we must be careful to stay on theme or the movement will lose steam. We must continue to focus on what unites and not that which divides (there is plenty). We need to build a core of fiscal conservatives in the House and Senate, so that nothing passes without going through their filter. This is a wonderful time to be an American because we have the opportunity to show the world once again that America is exceptional and we can pull ourselves from the brink of financial disaster to greatness again. Who doesn’t believe that if we push the government back in their box, balance the budget and pay down the national debt that America won’t lead the world again. Reagan had it absolutely right that you must starve the government beast to put America back to working again.
Mike Castle’s votes
Voted YES on TARP
Voted YES on Cap and Trade
Voted YES on Cash for Clunkers
Voted YES on the auto bailout
Voted YES on bailing out Fannie and Freddie
Voted YES on SCHIP (w/ tax increase)
Voted YES to increase taxes on oil and gas companies
Voted YES to increase the minimum wage
Voted NO to open up ANWR
Voted YES on the pork-infested 2005 Highway bill
Voted NO to restrict eminent domain abuse
Voted YES to increase funding for PBS
Voted YES on the Medicare drug benefit
Voted YES on No Child Left Behind
Voted YES on McCain-Feingold
Voted NO to end milk subsidies
Voted NO on waiving Davis-Bacon labor rules
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/perm/?postID=14059
At this point I can see little daylight between the actions of the Democrats and Republicans. Show me in concrete terms the philosophy of the Republican Party. Since the GOP will not willingly return to its roots, it must be, painfully, driven.
Castle voted to refer the Bush Impeachment effort of Kucinich to Committee and for Cap and Trade. On those accounts alone, no sensible Republican should support him.
Ms O’s belief in creationism and opposition to masturbation will have absolutely no effect on the lives of the people of Delaware. The election of her opponent Coons, another leftist, will assist in Obama’s destruction of America.
This is what should concern any sensible person, member of the GOP or otherwise.
Unfortunately Moran brings his usual intellectual heft to the debate.
Correct, additionally the GOP and media alike really need to understand that there are an enormous number of us out here that actually read our Bibles and believe what it says. We are generally called “Christians” if you’ve never heard that before, and there are an aweful lot of us. We don’t blindly believe in what Science! has passed down on high, like global warming that science has disproved more and more, or the theory of evolution which has so many holes that Richard Dawkin’s was willing to believe in pan-spermia from alien races. So when elitists like Moran gasp and say something about how she actually believes in what the Bible says, we in the silent (or no longer silent) majority just become more emboldened to rid ourselves of you demeaning, self-angrandizing, elitist fools.
Some of what you say is pure nonsense. In every political campaign, you are going to win some and lose some. But not to fight because of fear you might lose? That is the approach of a coward. What the tea party is doing is taking the fight to the powers that be, and that includes Republicans and Democrats. We’re going to win some and lose some. But we are not afraid to fight.
The Republican party has been forcing voters to choose between Democrats and democrats with an R after their name for the last ten years. In fact, the party establishment has been actively opposing conservative candidates. Should Christine lose, the party establishment has no one to blame but themselves. Next time, recruit and support actual Republicans instead of liberals with an R after their name. Then we can all support the Republican candidate in November. If not, we will sit home or vote for a third party candidate. Its that simple, dude.
This kind of thinking is what got us in the mess we are in right not. I choose to do the right thing, not the most convienent. Your name says it all, Moran.
Without the tea partiers the GOP establishment wouldn’t be anywhere NEAR even thinking about a House or Senate majority. Strip away the tea partiers, independents and libertarians from the Republican Party. What’s left? A small group of clubby elitists who flubbed up their majorities last time around, and who have excited NO followers to support them or vote for them. If it wasn’t for the tea partiers and their visible hard work, the GOP would be looking down the barrel of a long march in the wilderness.
For them to come out now and blame the tea partiers before defeat has even happened is a stupendous eye-opener. The GOP would be no where without the tea partiers, and wouldn’t be any where near getting a majority.
They’d be lucky if the tea partiers didn’t cut them off altogether. Let the establishment club Republicans stand on their own w/o the energy and enthusiasm of the tea partiers and they’ll get the same results this time that they got in 2006 and 2008.
Pardon me for thinking that the vitriol now being directed toward Christine O’Donnell is the same kind of crap (with the same motivation) that was thrown at Sarah Palin by both the Democrats AND a substantial part of the Republicans Party. Is it sexism, or is it the deep-seated fear that the business-as-usual apple cart is about to be upset?
Rebecca, you are absolutely correct. In the not so distant past Rick Moran himself tried to earn his own 15 minutes of fame by repetedly trashing Palin.
Fortunately, he was brutally, and deservedly, rebuked by the great majority of responents and went silent for a while, later even praising Sarah on a few occasions.
Now, however, it seems that it was only a tactical retreat. He returned with the vengeance and a doubled fury.
It is clear that their (Moran’s, Krauthammer’s, Rove’s) monopoly on defining the political processes and events is slipping from their hands. They feel they’re becoming irelevant; jabbering heads powerless when facing the women of action. Hence the fear and generated by that fear fury.
Delaware: Can Coons Hold Off the O’Donnell Juggernaut?
“Thanks to Christine O’Donnell and the Tea Party, a lot of Democrats are confident Joe Biden’s former Delaware Senate seat is now in the bag. But their celebration may be premature. O’Donnell has already raised more than $1 million since her primary win, and while a competitive race is likely to cost several million dollars, she might not have much trouble, given the national support she’ll be getting from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Sarah Palin.
Chuckling Democrats would be wise to remember a woman named Martha Coakley was once considered a shoo-in in another reliably Democratic state, Massachusetts, only to become the first major political scalp of Tea Party politics. But Coakley turned out to be a lousy candidate and Scott Brown caught the world unawares.
Things will be different this time. While some senior Republicans, including Karl Rove, seem convinced that O’Donnell can’t win, not all Democrats (including Biden himself) agree. One party strategist with extensive Senate campaign experience told me after her win that he thinks O’Donnell’s star power with the far right might enable her to raise money and generate enough enthusiasm to pull off an upset.”
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,2019820,00.html#ixzz0zoKRiJS2
It’s been said before, but it needs to be repeated.
The Tea Party is NOT a sub-division of the republican party. It is made up of republicans, democrats and independents who are center right and want the elected representatives to uphold the center-right values of the constituents.
O’donnel can win if she emphasizes she understands the job she’s applying for- represent the constituents.
The people are tired of being center right and only having the choice of center-left and left. The republican party has been center-left for the last 20 years- just expanding govenment power and debt slower than the dems. And with the dems on things like amnesty. Both parties act the same in power- handouts and subsidies to their buddies, serving their party more than their constituents, corrupted by the drive for re-election fundraising.
Then why do they insist on running in GOP primaries? If they are so awesomely good for humanity, universe and the USA they should have the numbers to run their own party.
Since the Republican Party has proclaimed itself the home of conservatives, the conservatives have decided to stay and force it to be honest for once.
Moran working for Soros now?
Moran probably considers this article his “job application.”
Nov. 2nd – It will be LADIES’ NIGHT!
And perhaps Sarah will have her ‘lady’s night’ in 2012? I’d love to wake up Nov 7th 2012 and hear the words ‘President-elect Sarah Palin’.
Rick,
The Republican party in Illinois gave us Alan Keyes and Judy Bar Topinka as their best candidates. Neither could win but that didn’t stop them. In my own county in Illinois I got into an argument with a Republican Party official when he asked me if I voted for the Rep. candidate for sheriff. I said, “no he’s a crook” and he said, “so what he’s our guy”. So, we are going to vote for the person that matches our philosophy even if they will lose and also vote for “not incumbent” and kick the Rep. party leadership butts until they get it!
“The night Christine O’Donnell won the GOP nomination for Senate in Delaware, party stalwart Karl Rove flipped out, and warned that she was a liar, of ill-character, and generally not the kind of person that the party should get behind.
It only took an instant for other party leaders like Rush Limbaugh and Michelle Maulkin to flip out right back at him.
But why did Rove take this tack? It’s not because he’s not into right-wingers.
Here’s a hint: do your remember his nickname?
He’s the architect, the man who architected Dubya’s rise from modestly successful Texas governor to two-term prominene.
But O’Donnell didn’t need an architect. She just needed a little bit of attention from Sarah Palin — whose political machinery is in large part comprised of her Facebook page — and the grassroots Tea Partiers who donated her money.
No grand visionary was needed.
In short, Palin-O’Donnellism marks a major threat to Roveism. Actually, the whole Tea Party movement is a threat, but O’Donnell is clearly the movement’s most attractive, shiniest, and most unlikely star.
And this probably isn’t going to change. Sure, the Tea Partiers may ebb and flow in terms of political success and influence. But the big trend — non-establishment candidates winning big without the help of old-boy architects — isn’t going to go anywhere.
That’s why Rove is peeing himself.”
http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-real-reason-karl-rove-flipped-out-on-christine-odonnell-2010-9#ixzz0zoeoUCtz
Losing vs. winning?
You seem to have confused a battle for the war.
Hint: In 2 more years, there will be more elections.
If the GOP does not find and vet conservatives to run in elections, others will.
We don’t care if there is a majority of Republicans in Congress if those Republicans are indistinguishable from Democrats.
The faster you (and the GOP) figure this out, the better off we’ll all be.
That is what they have yet to realize and if the newly elected go back to business as usual they will find themselves unemployed in 2012.
Charles Krauthammer and Rick Moran, two of her most pernicious, unrelenting detractors, owe Sarah Palin a debt of undying gratitude, but are way too foolish and full of themselves ever to understand it.
Chuck has become kind of a grande dame of punditry. The other day he ordered Israel out of the West Bank. These folks are celebrities; in the end, they’ll say what they need to protect career and reputation. Krauthammer is able to mask his shifting positions with eloquence and the sort of disdain that George Will is also good at. But Krauthammer still has valuable insights on different topics.
“The other day he ordered Israel out of the West Bank.”
Yep, and five years ago he was all for the “disengagement” atrocity in Gaza. That’s when Krauthammer — and Podhoretz, by the way — lost me, whatever else, good or bad, the two may have had to say since.
Really? This is what passes as “unelectable? While yes some things do concern me about her. The fact that she has views against wacking t are not among them. We have a thief getting reelected. We have a pres whi is “not concerned with the proccess” and senetors who don’t care about the constitution. And her comments on that is bad.. look at it this way we have people on both sides who have been prroven hypocrites and thieves onn really serious issues. Even if we find out she master baites 5 times a day it would still be a lot better than someone who describes himself as a ]earded marxist”. We need to work to get her elected.. the is electable as we have seen. Sure she is not perfect. Heck id love to be a theif like oceans 11 all smooth and cool. But sometime you just need to do the ole smash and grab
The RINO’s have now convinced Rick… it’s about power and whatever it takes to keep it. Any compromise is good as long as it keeps you in power. Ask Bob Bennett, ex-senator. (The same Bob Bennett that has millions in his campaign fund.)
http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ramirez-teaparty.jpg
These exchanges are great fun! It is amazing how many wingnuts are willing to expose their ignorance for all to see. I only wish they had been able to nominate more nutty people. I take a break for about a half hour every week or so to make sure the nuts are still foaming at the mouth. It is senseless to have a dialogue with them because they would have to be a scintilla of common sense and be able to understand simple rules of logic.
This guy, The Shadow, is a troll
By nominating nutty people are you referring to:
Weiner
Palosi
Biden
Boxer
Dodd
Durbin
Feingold
Feinstein
Franken- There’s a solid candidate
Kerry- He served in Vietnam!!!
Leahy- How many gov’t leaks?
Reid- No crimial activity there
Frank-male prostition?
Thanks for the comedic relief.
I haven’t heard any fat lady singing yet. The only noise i hear is a bunch of vindictive chicken little squishes running about. Mr Moran, your inner defeatist surrender monkey is showing – and it’s a pretty pathetic sight.
What good does it do to elect a “flawed (but not half as blemished) moderately liberal Republican?” Conservatives have not had a voice in either party in nearly a generation. Dump the liberals–they do us no good in either party.
This article makes no sense, and leaves me wondering if there’s a traitor in our midst. By now, everyone in America (minus the socialist moonbats) realizes what the Tea Party movement represents. It’s the only — last chance — hope we have to regain the principles our great nation was founded upon.
Mr. Moran begins his piece with a pronouncement, “In politics, winning or losing, is all that matters.”
And then he belittles and insults the duly elected candidate, even referring to her as a slut, prostitute, liar, cheat, and idiot.
All in writing, on a website with immense popularity?
I bet the left-wing really loves this!
Even if we take Mr. Moran at his word about being “Republican,” which side is he on?
…if winning is all that matters, is he helping?
Christine O’Donnell is the first Tea Party candidate I have had a problem with. Well, I have to admit, Rand Paul kind of bothers me, but I think that O’Donnell has latched onto the Tea Party and is using them for her own benefit. I just don’t trust her, there are too many strange things in per past. I mean really, look at Joe Miller and then look at Christine O’Donnell, there is no comparison. And while Castle might not have been everything I would have liked him to be, he was better than Coons..and Coons will probably win now.
I may agree with you but, you better be careful; everyone else in this discussion will start calling you a RINO or a troll if you don’t just LOVE everything about the O’D. Just like being called a racist has lost its punch for me; calling me a country club Republican or an elite doesn’t hurt anymore either.
O’Donnell is a total disaster.
And, she still looks to be ten times better than any Democrat that ever crawled out from whatever rock it is that Democrats crawl out from under.
We’ve got the most left-left-left-leeeeeft-wing Commie/Socialist cabal running the White House/Senate/Congress with ‘unread’ bills being ‘passed’ and shoved down America’s proverbial throat, we’ve got a President who is so far left that he appoints child molesters and tax cheats and Commies for ‘czars’ and who is so unfeeling, cold and heartless that one of the few times he didn’t just ‘vote present’ as a senator was when it came to voting AGAINST providing medical treatment for a partial-birth aborted baby who survived.
Ayers? Soros? Acorn? The fraudulent DOJ?
Where does it end?
It ENDS with WE THE PEOPLE trying to RIGHT this ship from the roots on UP.
Enough whining about ‘winning’.
This is about SURVIVAL of our REPUBLIC!
You can take away my Windows 7, my Cuisinart mixer and my World of Warcraft, but, you will NOT take away my FREEDOM!
T-Partiers cleaning HOUSE!
Get used to it. We’d have looked like hypocritical fools if we’d have gone the ‘party-line’ route.
Hey, are we still “Raaaaaaaaaacists”, Demtards?
The “Good ol’ boys club” is going DOWN.
Semper Fi
Well it is refreshing to know there are still a few Americans left in this country. There are many great posts on this topic and my hat is off to all of you who posted them. Keep up the good fight and don’t let light weights like Rick Moran drag you down. As for pundits like Krauthammer, he is a pseudo-intellectual elitist who innately side with their perceived own kind and reject any candidate who isn’t an establishment elitist. At least he isn’t a left-wing elitist, but that’s about all the kudos I can muster for him. As for Rove, he’s just another political hack hired by the Country Club Republicans to do their bidding and you see how that worked out.
As a life-long conservative I’ve always voted Republican because they use to represent more of what I believed. In the last 8 years though, the Republican Party has devolved into the biggest bunch of mealy mouthed, “Go along to get along” cowards I have ever seen. I guess once you get inside the beltway and reap the harvest, you kind of whore yourself out to stay on the gravy train. Who knows, if I was in their shoes, maybe I would do the same thing as a function of inevitable human nature. I hope I would be better than that though.
The tea party movement will save this country and the Republicans better embrace them and fast. If the Republicans behaved more like Tea Partiers there would be more Republicans and fewer Independents because most independents I know are disaffected Republicans.
Moderates of any stripe make me sick. They don’t have the will or conviction to take a side.
As for Mike Castle, if supports Cap and Trade, that is a thousand times worse than anything I’ve heard about O’Donnell. That’s not moderate, that’s criminal.
Well Moran, talk about taking a dump and falling back in it, you have outdone yourself this time. You’ve made a bigger fool of yourself than you did when you complained that Glenn Beck was incompetent and had no business with his own radio show. You on the other hand with your big time commentary on your own radio show haven’t quite been projected onto the national stage. That was a sad day at American Thinker, but in time most people forget- most people, except for me.
Now, you are making your pathetic case for Obama Republicans with weak and disjointed prose: it’s a sad day for PJ when they are so anxious for articles that they consider your drivel worthy of publication. Hopefully, they will strive to improve their standards in the future.
You have missed the point entirely Rick; Americans are not satisfied with the direction of the country and electing Obama Republicans has no appeal for Conservatives. Why elect an Obama Republican so that he can vote with the Socialists to destroy our country. They (Obama Republicans) only cause resentment, anger, and confusion among Conservatives.
Concerning your future as a political writer, maybe you should stick to radio, there is less of a paper trail.
“Concerning your future as a political writer, maybe you should stick to radio, there is less of a paper trail.”
Awww, c’mon…don’t be so hard on Moran,(and PJM). PJM is open to all sorts of conservatives and Republicans,(even bogus ones); and as for Brother Rick, he’s just butt-hurt because he’s STILL got a garage chock full of “SCOZZAFAVA FOR CONGRESS!” yard signs to get rid of.
What good is a 51 seat majority when 4 or 5 always vote with the other side?
You are a spoiled brat, Mr. Moran. Things didn’t go your way and now you want to take your marbles and go home.
In the past we’ve always been asked to hold our noses and vote for the pseudo-Republican in the name of ‘party unity’. Now it’s your turn, Mr. Moran. How about if you exercise some of that party unity and get behind Ms. O’Donnell.
But if you want to continue to pout, go ahead. In direct response to you and your ilk, grassroots Conservatives have stepped in and donated $1.6M to Ms. O’Donnell in just the past 60 hours since the GOP old guard told her to go pound sand.
Ecclesiastes 7:14
In the day of prosperity be joyful, but in the day of adversity consider: God also hath set the one over against the other, to the end that man should find nothing after him.
Which means, you do not know what will happen. So, stop.
Principles are the refuge of the just.
I reckon this Moran and the RINOs (varmints) dont know a thing about us ragin’ non-elitists (us! who know ABSOLUTELY the best about what that constution critter sez).
He uses them big words (Dern elitist); but he’s stupid. We aint stupid and we sure aint no mob, but we know BEST..and ONLY we know what and how the constution critter came to be. and ONLY we know the truth! And we aint elitist.
We’s so intellgent and non-elitist, we think the constushun was writ by “we the people”. Cuz it sez so in the beginnin’. Kinda like God revealin to mahmood that God wrote the koran. heh heh. Its circular logic but we aint fooled by them elitists.
George Washinton (we drop all “gs if theys in the middle, I reckon. Cuz we aint no elitist), and Hamilton and Wilson wuz regular folks just like you an’ me. Them wasn’t elitists. Folks like us should take back America. What with dark furriners runnin the show. Dern stupid elitists. And lets cannibalize ANY chance of takin back the senate, cuz we superior non-elitists know that we’ve sent a message. We aint gonna let commonsense stop us.
Now lets run David Duke for senate in Massachusits. heh heh. OR Barney Frank in Wyoming.
– Abbot (Wahabbi) Teabot.
(no relation to the city dwellin’ french cousins the De Ranged Obamabots (proununced “Obamaboh” probly) ..but just as crazy-but-non-elitisiically superior constututionalist)
Beggin’ y’alls pardon fer spellin wyomin’ …like a pansy elitist -constituionally-ignorant-RINO traitor.
Abbot Teabot is obviously a TROLL, likely bought and paid for by the George Soros Fan Club.
Wouldn’t it be great if the left-wing could argue their case factually?
Nice try TROLL. You’re not as witty as you think!!
Actually, compared to the smuggling, farming, hard-scrabble majority of the revolutionaries, Washington and Hamilton WERE elitists. But they’d decided the time had ended to “go along to get along” with George and Parliament.
And, if you read unbiased accounts, the revolutionaries were a minority of the colonial population at large that had a variety of motivations but were able to unite (more or less) under a common banner. The O’Donnells and Chris Christies of the era became its Thomas Paines (who had been a privateer and corset maker) and down-to-earth legislators when the time came to govern.
Is that what the tea party is? A shadow of the Republican party?
Or is it a backlash of Big Government IN GENERAL?
Of overspending government IN GENERAL?
Of political business-as-usual IN GENERAL?
The Tea Party was never about the R and the D but of relieving the elites (which are not party-based) of the illusion that they can keep power even while crapping on those who granted it to them.
In other words those who harp on them for not sticking to part lines are ignoring the one reason why the tea party is so strong.
They are NOT about the R and the D.
Rick, you sound strangely similar to the ruling elite. Thanks for letting us see who you really are!
Rick, apparently your an elitist and you don’t even know it. Why? Some of both the Democrats and Republicans are terrified of the Tea Party but neither will tell you the “real” reason. Its the elite seeing the peasants rise up. it’s guaranteed, definite, surefire, cast iron, in the bag, clear cut, assured, straightforward, and a sure thing that’s the reason.
Hey, mate see what happened in Australia?
http://www.austeaparty.com.au/index.html
Moran is the one with the problem.
Why the invective? Is O’Donnell so bad that a so-called conservative cannot even bring himself to concede that she might be a decent person? The slurs are so numerous that you have to wonder if she once rejected Mornan’s clumsy advances.
I don’t know much about the lady, but I know that Castle has spent a lifetime in politics, and at least half that time in DC.
During the last 40 years what has happened to this country? That alone is enough to prefer a random person x over Castle. The only thing he could have done to correct his history would have been to come out rock ribbed for the Constitution with 20 iron-clad proofs that it isn’t just lip service. And the fact that he has proven to be a monumentally sore loser butresses the point that he wasn’t “serving” the people.
As usual, Rush is right on this. Why can’t she win? and even if she doesn’t, what good would it do to put another proven member of the Ruling Class in office for another 6 years. Better to give somebody a chance to make a difference than to guarantee more of the same crap sandwich.
Basically, Castle’s only strength was the meme that he would win. Well, he didn’t win this one, so why would anybody think he would win the next. And O’Donnall can’t win but she won this one, so why would anybody say she can’t win the next one.
Oh how sweet it will be to rub these RINO’s faces in it again.
“a deadbeat who stopped paying her mortgage”
Kinda gave yourself away there with the deadbeat comment Rick.
Admit it, you really don’t like the Tea Party and anyone involved with it.
Sucks to be you.
How about this, a little vintage Chris Matthews. Let me say that Chris Matthews gets it, he may not agree with it, but he gets it. He is not our friend, but his take is interesting. He has said O’Donnell will win in Delaware and Palin will be the GOP nominee in 2012.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/09/14/msnbc_odonnell_win_product_of_angry_hillary_voters.html
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/09/15/chris-matthews-bets-liberal-guest-christine-odonnell-wins-november
What principle is it when one says do not stand on principle but with the most sure path to victory?
Isn’t that what Progressives do?
Mr. Moran — now that you have been duly spanked by the vast majority of those who have responded to your article — perhaps it is time for you to take a break for a few days and read and reread what people are telling you.
#1 take away for you is Tea Party DOES NOT equal Republican.
#2 take away for you is Tea Party intends to PURGE Republican AND Democrat parties.
It really is about fiscal responsibility, cutting spending, lower taxes, less government regulatory intrusion, and returning to Constitutional principles.
You can either fight it, join it, or get out of the way.
Then why are the TP candidates running as Republicans. Could it be that they realize that running third party will almost guarantee them no wins.
They are thinking like … well… politicians. OMG the Ethically Pure TP candidates are really elitist politicians in disguise. What a brilliant Rovian strategy to get their hands on the levers of power….
You ALL have expressed yourselves very well and I am very heartened to see these posts as they articulate so much of what I have felt over past 8-10 years.
I have been voting Republican since 1980. If they cannot move back to fiscal and social conservatism then I am done with them. Rove’s rant on Fox was his and the Repubs Waterloo for me. With candidates like O’Donnel I won’t HAVE to vote for the “McCains”.
BTW, I saw a good new “Flag” The “Don’t Tread on Me” emblem has changed to a striking rattlesnake with the NEW emblem “Too Late” Eat that Karl.
“Who was this mysterious rival, I inquired – some heretofore unknown Machiavellian prodigy from Harvard poli sci? An old-money interloper from the Philadelphia Mainline? Neither, they said. The challenge, they explained, came in the form of one “Christine O’Donnell,” a financially destitute 37-year old Tea Party schoolgirl whose intellectual heft by comparison made even la Palin look Obamanesque. I then watched in abject horror as they played a video of her crusading against teenage onanism. I admit no great pride in my own occasional participation in that unseemly adolescent pastime, but what sort of person declaims it on MTV? And what sort of party allows her name to appear on an official primary ballot? And that is when it struck me: I was obviously now witnessing the premise of an elaborate practical joke. Delawareans have long been known as the irascible pranksters of East Coast Republicanism, and to be selected as the target of their good-natured japery is in some fashion an honor. Even though the stunt nearly led to his untimely demise, the very first T. Coddington Van Voorhees himself reportedly enjoyed a hearty laugh after his waggish Delaware friend E. I. du Pont replaced his trusty dueling pistol with a replica that egested a comical “BANG” flag. Not wanting to spoil their fun, I did not let on to the Delaware party officials that I was wise to their little joke. Instead, I played along and counseled them to run a last minute, no-holds-barred negative media blitz against their impossibly fictional “Tea Party candidate.”
“And thus I awaited with wry anticipation as Farquhar slowly traversed the breakfast room with the cart bearing the punchline to the Delawareans’ clever prank. This was followed by gales of riotous laughter when I discovered the wags had printed an entire mock edition of the New York Times announcing their satirical “Miss O’Donnell” had actually won the race! I was so overcome with mirth that I kicked over the cart, spilling grapefruit across the marble. As Farquhar trembled back to the kitchens to retrieve the mop, I reached for the ringing telephone prepared to hear the voice of the Delaware GOP chairman crowing about his ingenious drollery. Instead I was greeted with the panicked entreaties of none other that Mr. Castle himself, joined by the Republican National Congressional Committee brain trust, insisting against all rational evidence that Miss O’Donnell was in fact real and that she had indeed won the contest. I conducted an incredulous review of the cable news channels, which confirmed their wild story. I called the kitchen intercom and bade Farquhar fetch me a stiff drink on his way back with the mop.”
What followed, I will state with no small amount of confidence, was the birth of a mighty counterrevolution to wrest the cause of conservatism back from the would-be mobs.
“Gentlemen, at long last it is time to draw a line in the sand,” I announced. “For too long we have stood by idly while these insipid cretins – the Palins, the Limbaughs, the Becks – have run roughshod over our once proud party, making it a mockery and ruining our social standing, advancing the insane notion that years of Washington experience and good breeding are somehow trumped by idiotic pledges to dismantle the very government on which their very existence depends. Well, my friends, I say unto you, with this Delaware disaster they have gone a bridge too far. Today we begin the counterattack, and we will make it plain to the insurrectionists that they shan’t see another dime of our inheritances.”
The polite huzzahs and claps emanating from the speaker-phone indicated to me that my call to arms was striking a chord within the heart of traditional Republicanism. Heartened, I pressed on.
“If it is a fight the Jacobins want, then it is a fight they shall have”
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2010/09/fight.html
There is a certain comedy to this week’s coverage from the “establishment” which, sadly, is bordering on the hysterical. The establishment is gnashing its teeth and rending its flesh because the electorate just wont listen and vote for a ruling class approved candidate whereas the electorate has finally ginned up the courage to ask: “To what end?” What inherent benefit is there in a Repub majority over a Dem majority when both rule for the benefit of their own position instead of governing for the benefit of the citizenry? If Repubs have such a problem with Christine O’Donnell then why the hell weren’t they vetting viable fiscally conservative candidates in DE instead of crowning Mike Castle the heir apparent?
Besides, this is all political grist for the talking head mill. In reality, the Tea Party has already won whether the Repubs get control of the House and the Senate or not: witness the rightward lurch of the democrats seeking re-election; witness the democrats running against their own legislative enactments; witness democrats trashing their own leadership. Obama’s agenda is forever (un)dead, now we just have to have the stones to put the leftover zombies down for good.
It was a battle of wills and the establishment (both Repub and Dem) blinked first, horrified at the measure of devotion shown by an electorate willing to voraciously consume its own to send a message of unfaltering and unerring clarity to D.C.: “We don’t care who you are, we don’t care how long you’ve served and, most of all, we don’t care what letter is behind your name; if you have abused your station of trust for personal enrichment at the cost and peril to OUR republic, you will be consumed in the righteous fire of an electorate finally awakened.
Since 1972 we have been voting for the candidate that could win rather than the conservative. That meant that the conservative movement has had to defend the conservative credentials of such liberals or big government types such as McCain, Bush 2, Bush 1, and Reagan. The same has happened on the state and local level.
Every election it’s the same thing.
If the Democrats win, they will take responsibility for their garbage.
“No doubt the destruction of one of the few RINOs left in the GOP was satisfying, but how does that stop Obama from taking a liberty loving capitalist state and turning it into a quasi-socialist dependency?”
Good question. I have one, too: how does electing Republicans who vote Socialist stop it? For 80 years the Castle-like republicans have been democrat lite ‘n’ later.
The more the TP and Palin push the GOP to the far right and the worse the economy gets the stars line up closer for a Hillary challenge in 2012. If she pulled the epic primary upset and met Palin as the GOP nominee Hillary would enjoy a landslide of historical proportions.
Rick’s point is well taken. I’m sure a lot of Democrats felt like that after Chicago 68 and then got Nixon. Telling people (on your side) to shut up or get with the program doesn’t convince me as a winning strategy. Worse yet, the constant whining about “the elite”; since when is that really a problem?
Mr. Moran, you were totally wrong about Sarah Palin last year (belittling her and failing to anticipate the position of power and influence she would eventually attain) and you are totally wrong about the Tea Party and Christine O’Donnell, who will win the Senate seat in Delaware. You have become as irrelevant as the MSM, and almost as unreadable. Have you no shame?
Rick once again shows himself to be a right-wing socialist and like all right-wing socialists, they are under the delusion that they are conservatives. They get very confused when confronted by real conservatism.
BTW, it would be foolish for the Army to promote a suspected traitor just because he looks good in a uniform.
Short version of this article :
“Those little people up in Delaware are all stupid for not listening to their betters and they’ve voted for some damn Looney Toons character instead of for a democrat wearing a big paper mache elephant head. Now your betters can blame you little people for your betters missing out on the chance to have a long shot chance at controlling the Senate.”
Maybe the people of Delaware are so tired of having people like Castle shoved down their throats that Daffy Duck looks good to them. Who is to blame for that, the people that never got to vote for anything other than a lame excuse for a candidate and finally went insane or the party that refused to even look for a candidate that wasn’t lame?
Tea Party’s already won
“Even before Christine O’Donnell handily defeated Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) in an epic upset Tuesday night, the Tea Parties, all of them, had already won. No matter what happens in the midterm elections on Nov. 2, the Tea Party has moved the Democrats to the right and the Republicans even more so, and President Obama’s agenda is dead.”
“What debuted in nationwide protests on April 15, 2009, has taken less than 18 months to become the current driving force in American politics. The Tea Party insurgency will not only cost Democrats dozens of seats in Congress, and likely their majority — it will define the coming GOP presidential nominating process, determine the direction of the GOP for years to come and threaten any remaining plans Obama has for sweeping reforms of education, energy policy or our immigration system.”
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/ab-stoddard/119061-tea-partys-already-won
Read that as well this morning and there are people finally waking up to the fact of what the Tea Party truly is and it isn’t an arm of the Republican party. There are a lot of Americans that are fiscal conservatives that don’t fit into the full on social conservative category and that can either propel the movement forward or shatter it. It is up to the people to decide what they want and I think November 2nd will shake the halls of Washington to the point that we will see the progressive rats leaving the sinking ship of big government. There is a new day dawning where the American public has had enough of the progressive ideas of the political ruling class because we are tired of paying for their giveaways with our hard earned money. As Americans first, we should stand up to the progressives in both parties and take back our government. We must stop seeking ways to drive people away and stay focused on putting an end to the progressive era. The social issues will melt away as there is no government money to fund them and the states regain control from the feds and their judges.
Exactly – and this is why folk like Moran Rove and Krauthammer et al are pissing and moaning.
We are no longer following orders.
I find it amazing that so many like-minded Americans can come together in such a short span of time to affect the body-politic so quickly and in such dramatic fashion.
Keep it up America – we just may get our power and country back from these elites…
As a citizen, I only support candidates who represent me, not a political party. The Republican citizens of DE. voted for Ms. O’Donelle because they think she represents them, not Castle. The Republican Party is obligated to support and enhance her campaign to win.
As it stands right now, if she loses the general election it will not be her fault. The blame goes straight to the shoulders of Rove, Krauthammer, RNC, etc. She is the choice of the voters. When Rove or anyone else complains about her qualifications, they are arrogant to question the decisions of the citizens.
Rick, no General Nevsky ordered the Castle kill. No party boss dialed in a hit on him. Castle met his demise at the hands of Delaware voters who are part of a populist movement. They and their counterparts across the country scare you and others who cling to the establishment precisely because there is no General Nevsky to coopt, coerce or destroy. There is no Oz behind the curtain, Rick. The Munchkins have taken over. Get used to it.
Yes, let’s keep electing the same establishment RINO Republicans. That has worked so well for the country and the Republican Party in the decade just past.
What part of “Enough is enough!” do these people not understand?
Fred Beloit astutely identified the activists of the 60’s as “left wing nut jobs.”
If in politics there are equal and opposite reaction, the “left wing nut jobs of the 60’s” would eventually breed “right wing nut jobs” then and now. The Tea Party is one such manifestation, although these tend to be older nut jobs, with a more mellow kind of nuttiness. Obviously there is a big decision to be made by ALL the voters, whether or not they are ready for Paul, Angle, O’Donnell etc. Hey, it will be entertaining to see how the Dems go after these people and how they, in turn respond. Then we can throw in Lisa Mercowski in Alaska, just to muddy the water a little more.
Is the Tea Party ready for prime time? Let’s see how O’Donnell does with Chris Wallace this Sunday.
Your analysis is flawed, in that you consider both ‘Left” and “Right” wing “nut jobs” to be equidistant from some imagined perfect center where all is good and proper.
Most anything the so called “right wing nit jobs” really stand for, are willing to shed THEIR OWN BLOOD over, are far far better than any spineless left of center policy wonk’s contribution to the republic.
Its a really simple debate:
The Left wing nut jobs want to continue to force is to the left, and the country slowly being destroyed by P.C. lies, mismanagement, and unsustainable debt.
The center isnt the center anymore. Mainstream D’s are Hard left commies anymore. The right wing nut jobs are “the center” now
And stop calling us right wing nut jobs already ….were REGULAR ,AMERICANS, like they used to be, before the MSM hijacked the narrative
I’m an elected Republican PCO in Washington State…a johnny-come-lately as I only joined around 2004. Each and every election the state party hierarchy has chosen for the top position some middle-of-the-road, “name” candidate — who eventually went down in flames to the Democrat. The public seemed to say, if we want a Democrat, we’ll go to the Democrat Store…thank you.
So, while electing a (supposedly) “unelectable” candidate in the form of a Tea Party member seems like folly, I would ask you to look at the actually foolishness of trying to hide our values under the veneer of a Ruling Class candidate and forever being pummeled.
An excellent point.
Sometimes the best part of a post is in the comments.
I have to contribute to this debate. Here are my two cents:
I can no longer vote the lesser of two evils. It is still evil.
I can no longer, in good conscience, vote for the party. I’m tired of looking in the mirror and feeling I’ve let myself down.
I can no longer be half-hearted in my choices. Those choices I have made have brought us to the brink of economic destruction, have led us to where we are today.
I can no longer vote for someone who is delusional, lest I look at myself and realize how delusional that is.
I keep seeing the delusion on the part of both the liberals AND conservatives. This country, state by state, is on a path of economic suicide. There is no more money, no more wealth to ‘redistribute’
The state of California has, when all the REAL figures are analyzed, a 25% unemployment rate. This is a state that was the fifth largest economy in the world. The state of California, along with at least 20 other states, is heading off an economic cliff.
I, as a citizen, have only one way to stop it; remove EVERYONE from office and place people in office who are not delusional. Say what you will about Cristine O’Donnell, she will help stop the REAL madness running amok in Congress and in the current administration.
Debate if you will, the silliness, the mundane, the gaffes of the people chosen by the Tea Party. I think they’re of sound mind and good intent. And though they may become jaded eventually, which is the reason for term limits, they will not fail the mission we’re sending them on.
The goal of the Tea Party that matters should be to have a majority Congress combined with a President willing to make the changes necessary to get this country back on track as an exceptional nation that is the leader of the free world. This goal is unattainable prior to 2013. It just is.
The election of 2010 will be a win for the Tea Party if they deny President Obama another two years of unified government with Democrat Party majorities in both the House and Senate. The problems of Obama’s first two years governing need a bogeyman to scare voters into his vote column in 2012. A Republican Congress does that service for Obama much better than one where Joe Biden is mostly back in the Senate, tied down for the next two years keeping Democrats in charge through the use of his tie-breaking vote.
So, objectively, which is better Mr Moran, a full throated victory in 2010 and improved re-election chances for Obama in 2012 running against a “do-nothing Republican Congress” or enough of a gain that President Obama is hamstrung and a new run of unified GOP government starting in 2013 with a much more fiscally responsible GOP caucus? I like the sound of the 2nd one. Can you even make a case for the first?
Mr Moran has insight that conservative principles and true conservatism are beyond the pedestrian intellect. Most intellectual conservatives believed and believe that Godly morality (there is no other) was at the core of conservative thought and without it you would drift into a an abyss that blinded you to true wisdom without which it is impossible to see the world as it is and impossible to make correct moral assessments. And even though what you proclaim may sound like it is correct and hailed as brilliant commentary, the end result is that your solution is always wrong.
All I had to see was the title to know that this piece, like virtually everything Moran writes, deserves to be ignored.