Support for Arizona Immigration Law Cleaves Along Racial Lines
I’ve found my way to one of the best Mexican restaurants in Phoenix, the nation’s fifth-largest city — a municipality that also happens to be ground zero in the immigration debate.
I’ve returned to this city — where I lived for two years in the late 1990s, back when illegal immigrants were recruited and hired and not resented and hunted. Back then, and for many decades before, Mexican immigrants had been as much a part of Arizona as cactus, torquoise, and kachina dolls.
Today, according to the shrillest of voices on the right, they’re a bunch of illegal invaders who are taking jobs from American teenagers and twenty-somethings who secretly ache to work outdoors in 115-degree temperatures.
My lunch companion is a Mexican-American and native Arizonan who is angered and disgusted by SB 1070, the state’s infamous immigration law that, before it was defanged by U.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton, didn’t just allow racial profiling but required it. As she surveyed the menu, she wondered whether what she’s craving is worth the risk.
“I want menudo,” she said, referring to the spicy Mexican soup made with tripe, hominy, and chiles. “But, I’m not sure. Is that reasonable suspicion?”
We both laughed.
Could be. When Arizona officials were asked to produce a list of factors that would reasonably raise the suspicions of local police officers — who wouldn’t know what they were doing anyway because, after all, they’re not trained to enforce federal immigration law — they said that, among others things, you could get crossways with police by having difficulty speaking English, dressing a certain way, driving a certain kind of car, driving a car that was overcrowded, having no driver’s license, and acting nervous.
In that case, take me in, Coppers. As a U.S. citizen who was born in the United States to parents who were born in the United States with three grandparents who were born in the United States, not to mention someone who didn’t sleep through high school civics, this law makes me very nervous.
That goes for the native Arizonan, too, who asked not to be identified because she works for a state university.
“The racists are out of the closet now,” she said. “And more of them are going to come out in the future. Just watch.”
Not every Mexican-American in Phoenix, or in Arizona, agrees with her. Not everyone thinks this law — which some have dubbed “The Mexican Removal Act” — sprang from racism. But, I would imagine, many of them do.
Talk about “Mexican soup made with tripe…”, it perfectly sums up Ruben’s work, but I digress… Thanks for your racist viewpoint, Ruben – as a member of both La Raza AND the Professional Left, your views are very important to us here lately!
The fact that 70% of Mexicans don’t support the law simply means that they see it as a problem for their people. Perfectly natural. The fact that 70% of whites support the law simply means they see the law as a benefit to their people. Perfectly natural. Both groups are acting racially, naturally, since they are two different races. BTW, having lived in Texas about 40 years ago, I can swear that white people in those days did not look kindly on ‘gr**s*rs’. Hey, it turned around 180 degrees right across the river in Juarez. If two Mexicans were involved in a car wreck in Juarez who was to blame? The white guy walking along the sidewalk, naturalmente.
Well this morning I got up and started work in Baltimore,MD which as a sanctuary state has a large and growing mexican and hispanic population, many from Central America. Each year $155 Billion of additional costs for the expense of having 12-17 million illegal aliens in this country gets paid by working stiffs like me. Now I like a good tortia as much as the next guy and can appreciate that most of the illegal aliens are hard working decent people. This however, doesn’t change the fact that we need to have control of who enters and who stays in this country and most important of all who pays for the services and food that they eat. Frankly, I am pretty sick of being told I have to pay for anyone eleses anything and this is especially true of those who are here illegally. So adios amigos, regressar a su pais.
In order to have all those hard working people here legally, there needs to be a big increase in quotas for visas and green cards. Naturally, Big Labor doesn’t doesn’t want that. That is an aspect that is usually left out of the debate.
1) Secure the border
2) INCREASE QUOTAS FOR THOSE WHO JUST WANT TO WORK SO THEY CAN DO SO LEGALLY
3) Only *after* the above, provide justice mixed with mercy for illegals.
Mr. Gathman you need to wake up. Big labor such as SEIU looks to illegals as dues paying members, along with other large unions avaricious for new money, irrespective of legality.
Very well Ruben, well enough said.
The law isn’t very long: why don’t you re-write the offending bits in a fashion that does not “cast the net too wide”? You are one of those “We the People”, and apparently more knowledgeable. Take a stand. Please correct the failings of the politicians.
(The above contains absolutely no snark. I’m completely serious. Put your amended version online for comment and mail it every AZ legislature member.)
–JC
@JCinKZ – right on ! this is what we need a lot more of.. if you don’t like something post and alternative ! The biggest issue concerning SB1070 is that the opposition rants and raves but doesn’t offer a counter proposal. Everyone with half a brain can understand that a massive illegal population is costing the US billions each year so rather than just scream and yell offer a solution.
Would you be surprised if a person “who works for a state university” expressed anything but a liberal point of view devoid of rationality or facts?
The law is clear (and it is plain common sense) that you are not stopped because you cannot ‘cannot speak English, act nervous, have no drivers license” and the writer and his guest know this. They also know that Judge Bolton objected not to portions of the law were an encroachment upon Federal law but did object to those portions of the law that the Feds fail to enforce. This aspect of the State law is probably “most troubling” to this writer and guest.
If this piece was written as satire, it was good.
I guess it would not be so bad for Americans if the tax payer was not paying for the illegal alien health care, anchor babies, court/jail costs, funerals for the police murderd in the line of duty by illegal alien gang bangers, etc…
Do you get the stinking point pal?
No? How about this, we tax payers in America go ahead and pay for the food stamps, housing, and health care of all the poor in South America too, not just Mexico.
If you love Marxism write yes to the above.
Let’s see now. Whites don’t Want illegal aliens because they are illegal. Latinos want illegal aliens because they are Latinos. Would the Latinos want those illegals coming in if they were white or black or Asian? What if they were not Hispanics and were running drugs, killing and kidnapping people, I think not. It’s pretty obvious who the real racists are, Mr. Navarette. Maybe if the Hispanic writers stopped distorting what the law says, and try reading and explaining it to those they interview, we would all be better off.
“…the late 1990s, back when illegal immigrants were recruited and hired and not resented and hunted…” (i.e., “failure to enforce the law, the disinterest in the validity of the law….identifies those who ignored the law as good people….”) The low hanging fruit is always front and center in his articles! Still has a mental block on that word “illegal,” I see.
Some years back a lawbreaking “pastor” in our community faced criminal charges of sexual assault. He was found guilty by a jury of his peers in criminal court and imprisoned under a sentence such as is recommended for those found criminally guilty of such a crime. Some of his koolaid drinking parishioners were still upset long after the fact and their bitter comments included the phrase, “They’re treating him like a criminal!”
This kind of “what country am I in anyway????” compulsive self-disclosure on the part of a speaker/writer should always be considered a warning to the listener/reader that they are in imminent danger of hurting their brain(s) if they persist in voluntary exposure to such speeches/articles.
Yes it’s not surprising to see that SB 1070 isn’t as popular with Latino’s as it is with non-Latino’s. I use the term non-Latino to include whites, African-Americans, Asians, and “legal immigrants”; this last group resent very much the idea that citizenship rights can be acquired at the whim of some politicians; Democrats looking for votes and some Republicans looking for cheap labor. The legal immigrants had to undergo pretty rigorous qualifications for their US citizenship.
Thats too bad that many in the Latino community dislike SB 1070; either they get on board with the supporters or they can stay mad. No more pandering to the Hispanics, its a waste of time.
Expat
–My lunch companion is a Mexican-American and native Arizonan who is angered and disgusted by SB 1070, the state’s infamous immigration law that, before it was defanged by U.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton, didn’t just allow racial profiling but required it.
When did asking for identification during a traffic stop or of a suspect in a crime become racial profiling?
I actually have some sympathy for the Mexicans who have entered this country illegally and think most of them are pretty decent people, but distorting what SB 1070 does or implying that those who support it are somehow bigots makes me suspect your integrity, or, at best, your ability to think.
Why doesn’t Mexico have an open border with Guatemala?
If a Latino is in this country legally and is stopped for a traffic violation or the commission of a crime, the possession of a driver’s license takes care of the ancillary problem and the cause for being stopped steps is then addressed. The few times I’ve been stopped by a policeman I have had to show my license. What Senor Navarette and those who think like him want is exactly the same legal standing for illegal immigrants as for the people born here. As a member of La Raza, has he ever written about what Latinos call the Reconquest of the Southwest? I didn’t think so. Political correctness evidently requires that we open our borders to all who want to move here and accept every insult Islam can dream up. I hope to see a stiffening of the national spine after November and the return of the left to its previous shrill minority status. For good this time.
Dishonest to the core, Ruben. Few Americans want to pick lettuce in the Imperial Valley, but many jobless Americans would like to work farm jobs in the Sacramento Valley, Oregon and Washington. and many millions would like the jobs Mexican illegal aliens have taken in construction, meat packing, warehousing, etc., all over this country. So you begin with a lie and go downhill from there. You are obsessed with people of your ethnic background getting a leg up in the country. Well, a lot of us are obsessed with Americans of all backgrounds having opportunity in their own country. Mexico needs its people to stay home and fight the crime and corruption that is destroying their homeland. Illegal alien, fuera.
“The racists are coming out”? Uh, as far as I know of, Mexican isn’t a race; it is a nationality. Hispanic isn’t a race, either. It means “of or relating to Spain or Spanish speaking countries”. If you think that is racial profiling because someone can’t speak the language or don’t have a driver’s license, then you don’t know what race means. Come to think of it…
Ruby, Ruby. . . . what about”ILLEGAL” don’t you get!? If they were Asians, Ukranians, or Spainards, they would still be illegal and shoud be deported. . Why aren’t you squealing about how Mexico treats the illegals that attempt to cross through its borders? I dont understand why PJM keeps running the tripe you are dishing out. . . even with the addition of tortillas, salsa , and a cold Dos Exxus, I can’t swallow what you are selling.
Poke around on the border between Mexico and Guatamala and you can find the mass graves of the illegal aliens killed by the Mexican army and buried in mass graves, yet the white Americans are the racists. The USA is being invaded, conquered, and colonized by the third world barbarians from Mexico. They are engaged in a Reconquista against the once great and prosperous USA. Southern California was once the best place in the USA if not the world to live. Would you claim that now? It is a third world dump, just like Mexico. Everywhere they go becomes a third world dump. That is the culture that is overwhelming the USA. There are 3.5 BILLION people on Earth that live at a standard of living below that of the average Mexican. Imagine how this country will look once they all come here. Liberalism is the great distroyer of civilizations, and ours is next on the list. Call me a racist if you like, but remember, TELLING THE TRUTH IS NOT RACISM.
Why is it okay for illegal Hispanics to sneak into this country, birth an anchor, get state and federal benefits including free education, health,sustenance and to even own property when those same “rights” are denied me if I go into theirs? And let’s quit calling them Hispanics. The Portuguese resent it. Besides we all know the governments in place were created by colonial powers who’s elite retained all the power, property and prosperity. Talk about racisim! Most are Native Americans and mestizos (mixed blood). They have been denied economic and political power in their own countries and some even blame the U.S. for their poverty and despair. The villains here are the South and Central American governments, both the so called democratic and authoritarian kinds. Immigrants know they have a better future here than back in the old country…regardless of their legal status. That’s why they come, but to wave a flag of the country that treated them so miserably rather than assimilate and become legal is not only foolish, it’s disrespectful and dissing us won’t improve your lot. If you are really a patriot, return to your countries and work to fix the problem, if not then join us legally and enjoy the fruits of your labor. This is the land of opportunity…not handouts, entitlements and amnesty. The next election should give you a clue.
They can’t come here legally because they can’t get visas. The quotas are low, and the poorest are last in line. The quota problem is as important as securing the border.
If you don’t like the law change it. Don’t whine about it.
BTW, America needs a break form immigration to intergrate
the millions of legal immigrants already here.
The poorest are last in line because they have no skills, no different from Mexico.
There’s no escaping the conclusion that whites and Hispanics see SB 1070 — and the immigration problem — very differently.
Gabriella might dispute that generalization.
Gabriella Speaks City Council Meeting April 27, 2010
Why did she order a Puerto Rican boy band for lunch? Weird.
Ruben Navarette, the professional Mexican. . .
Well, Ruben. You’ve got yourself quite a conundrum there.
I mean, if Mexicans are so ‘important’ to the lazy ‘mericans, then why do they want you out? Wouldn’t it be against their best interest if they kept you?
So, the question is:
A. Are you inflating the importance of Illegals to suit your agenda?
B. Are you inflating the importance of Illegal workers?
C. Are you inflating the idea of ‘brown’ Caucasians as a grievance group?
D. Are you inflating America’s ideology of laws and rules which no illegal Mexican seems to want to embrace?
E. All of the above?
You see, Ruben…
Money is withering on the vine. Mexicans can wither away too. Some College kid may very well pick my produce and be HAPPY to just have a J-O-B.
So, take your illegal parasitic scum and shove them back in the hell hole from whence they came. We don’t need their drug-lords, their prostitution, their welfare babies or their mops/brooms/garden-utensils.
Get it? SCRAM! GO AWAY.
Video’s and pictures of border crossing. – http://www.borderinvasionpics.com/
This one is very important and should be passed around to everyone that you have contact with. The importance of this one is for both sides of this debate and includes Canada. – http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/
The CFR report. Reading this you will notice the wording that is used is the same as what president O uses when he is making another one of those speeches. This was written before he needed to have something to say about illegal’s. And those in the CFR say they have nothing to do with policy in the US government. -
http://www.cfr.org/publication/19743/broken_immigration_system_risks_serious_damage_to_us_national_interests_warns_cfr_task_force.html
Mexican is not a race. It is a nationality, so stop with all the “racist” garbage.
Support for Arizona Immigration Law Cleaves Along Racial Lines
Mis- and Dis-information in the title of this piece.
Hispanic isn’t a race.
Hispanic (plural Hispanics)
1. A Spanish speaking person
2. A person residing in the United States, Latin America or worldwide of Spanish ancestry.
So I gather the 30 percent of Hispanics who support the Arizona law are racists, and they’re probably even in the country legally and shouldn’t have an opinion on the one’s that are here illegally, hey Ruben? You know, for you people, the 70 percent, it’s all race all the time–are you on La Raza’s payroll? And if it’s not race, then for you people its all sex all the time. And if it’s not race or sex all the time, it’s religion and the failure of conservatives to appreciate the subtle distinctions between state and Mosque, as in the state and Mosque are one and the same and their separation is an analytical artifact, for you people. Well, here’s to you, Ruben, waiting for Mecca to allow churches and synagogues, waiting for China, Japan and Mexico to allow unlimited gringo immigration, and now that our body fat content is to be registered with the National Institute Of Health under the health care reform law, you would think we could get an ameliorative draft of females to get the military sexually integrated, or at least get the girls registered with Selective Service? How about starting the gender neutral draft with Madam Speakers daughter? Hey Ruben? Do you really want reciprocity, Ruben, or are you just talking the talk?
Ruben, you are a racist.
You gotta love the facts, Arizona officials (who were they by name), come on Ruben your better than that!
No, he is not better than that. I have a cocker spaniel he is not better than.
He lies and promotes hate; for money. He is a small scale Goebbels, “Tell a big enough lie loud enough and often enough and most will believe it.”
Rev.21.8 teaches us where all liars will end up.
Dress for very warm weather, Rubie.
Oh, secure borders are “racist.” Gimme, gimme, gimme.
This is by far the dumbest article that I have read on the immigration issue.
And I hate Mexican food.
More collectivist claptrap from the spokesman for the Hispanic victim group, Ruben. Imagine?
Ruben, I don’t give a tinker’s damn about how the ethnic groups of the various proponents and opponents break down. Don’t you get that? The issue is whether or not breaking federal law is okay.
Well, lets see here. A police officer pulls some one over for a violation, tail light out. Stabdard procedure for any traffic stop in all of the 12 states and 4 countires I’ve been to is to ask for ID/ license. If the driver dosn’t have that we are suddenly at two violations, plus now there is the possibility of seatbelt law violations due to having seven people in a car with belts for five (thats over crowding). Honestly, how many minor laws does some one get to break before it becomes and issue. Now, this person is going to be nervous, thats normal. But they dont speak any or very limited English in a predominatly English speaking contry, commiting several minor violations and can not provide ID? That might lead any reasonable person to wonder if this person was perhaps under the influence or not from around the area, including a wayward French Canadian. Maybe stop looking at everything through race tinged lenses and realize that for the most part cops and OWG are reasonable people whoi dont care if you’re purple with green spots so long as your following the same set of rules.
The author of this post has publicly foisted his dishonestly, lack of integrity, lack of professionalism, lazy thinking and inability to be logical or constructive on the readers of PJM. But why he intentionally seeks to emulate Al Sharpton and/or Jesse Jackson is puzzling. Most commenters here are spot on. On balance, then, this post thus seems worthwhile.
His writing does make me wonder, though, if Prof. Navarette is on retainer to the cartels? Maybe?
“There’s no escaping the conclusion that whites and Hispanics see SB 1070 — and the immigration problem — very differently.”
Since millions of Hispanics are in the United States illegally, this is hardly surprising.
Look at the racist Mr. Navarrette calling the kettle black. First of all the word hispanic is a made up concept of nonsensical rubish. As you know Reuben, hispanics (sp) are a collective of many, many separate ethnic, nationalistic, and cultural characteristics created by your commie buddies. My uncle from Argentina is of German heritage, white as a ghost, and Argentinian and proud of it. Oh yeah, he is also an hispanic by rascist definition.
Your arguments make me wonder if you forged your college diploma, check that, high school diploma.
Why don’t you do yourself a favor and be honest with the American public and just say you hate Americans of European heritage and would like to make America into a glorious country just like Mexico.
That’s northern-European heritage. It seems that southern European and, in particular, Iberian ancestries are all right by way of a generation or so south of the US border..
So 70% are opposed and 30 for. We can assume that the respondents weren’t asked about their legal status. About one in four Hispanics in Arizona is illegal. We can assume they all are opposed. So 45 of 75 are opposed. So the Hispanics who are either citizens or legal residents split 60/40. 40% support it –that’s a lot of support from Hispanics who are supposedly being victimized by the law. Fact is, legal immigrants and legal residents are often the first victims of the crimes committed by illegals. The Hispanic vote for Obama in Arizona was greater than 60%, which means some of his supporters are in favor of the law. The issue is often compared to the desegration of the south. What % of blacks do you suppose were in favor of segregation? Close to 0%.
It is interesting to me that the 1896 landmark SC case Plessy v Ferguson that decided that “separate but equal” or segregation was constitutional was overturned by the SC in a 1954 decision concerning a case that originated in Kansas. It is well for self-righteous northerners to remember that segregation was not limited to the South. Jesus taught us to love our neighbor as our self but that is a work in progress for all of us, I believe there is a high correlation between racial tolerance and proximity to racial conflict. I recognize that my use of the word race is non-scientific and that tecnically we are all of the same race with slight genetic variations.
“An immigrant from Mexico who became illegal when he overstayed his visa and now won’t leave the house except to go to work. What do these people have in common? Not much. They live in the same city, but they’re living different lives. And yet, now, there is one thing: yhey both abhor SB 1070, and they’re determined to hold accountable the politicians who wrote it, passed it, and are now trying to benefit from it.”
And how will this ‘immigrant who became illegal’ hold American politicians accountable? Will he become an illegal voter as well? Or just attend demonstrations carrying a “Go Home, This Is Our Land’ sign?
I didn’t know Navarette was involved with La Raza. He is now totally discredited in my view – the same as a Klansman is discredited on almost any issue when race is discussed.
Did you have to actually see the admission? If it walks like a duck… this man is Hispanic racialist. He is just pissed because he mistakenly thought that the white cracker had been neutered years ago. He thought it was safe to go back in the water without the great white sharks sharing the same space. He thought after DECADES of trashing white people, accusing them of all kinds of hateful, malicious and treacherous deeds we would be so beaten down that no one would ever rise up to challenge his malignant beliefs. I did not need to hear his statement of solidarity. his positions speak for themselves. He wants Hispanic superiority. But that is supposed to be perfectly understandable. After all, only white people can’t be allowed to defend themselves.
Whats life like on your Planet Rueben is it really really nice in the cloud cuckoo land you inhabit with all those illegal Alien angels all around?
So — supposedly he and this woman sat there swapping lies over lunch. Although note that he mainly let HER do the statements while he asked the leading questions and provided “context”.
So the open question — does he know he is lying? And if so does he care? Or does he believe the lies?
Forgive me if this is a double post
No faster way to find a nazi race supremacist then statements like this “There’s no escaping the conclusion that whites and Hispanics see”.
You do understand my very racist friend that counter to the racist belief of groups like mexicans and so forth that hispanics are white…
The only ppl who don’t believe hispanics aren’t white are racists. Its very clear the issues here. You have the racist mexicans and to a latter part “hispanics” who think they are above US law because they as a superior race shouldn’t be told what to do by an inferior race/nation/anyone.
Once again with the race supremacist crap
“But along racial lines, the fault lines are obvious. More than 70 percent of whites support the law; more than 70 percent of Latinos oppose it.”
Look you complete piece of shat “latinos” are not a race either. The only ppl who believe latinos are a race are racists.
The world will be a better place when racists like you and your friends crawl under a rock and die.
I’m Hispanic and I am not at all nervous about going to Arizona. Then again my English is excellent, I’m light skinned, and I have identification, a driver’s license. A Mexican immigrant I recently talked to was very nervous about the law, and BTW by Mexican immigrant I mean a legal immigrant. He speaks with a thick accent although he speaks English very well. His main concern seemed to stem from the lies coming from Obama and others that the cops can stop you for looking Mexican and arrest you if you don’t have a passport. Once I explained the law he wondered what the big deal was. Understand as Correctional Officers we are considered law enforcement and understand what reasonable suspicion is. Sheriff Arpaio’s deputies, many of whom are Hispanic, also understand what it means and have been apprehending illegal aliens for years without having violated anyone’s civil rights as far as know. Not bad considering he and his agency have been under a Federal microscope for years looking for just that.
Everytime i read how racist SB1070 is the angrier i get. I am a legal U.S. resident born in Cambodia and went through the long process of becoming a U.S. citizen a few years ago which included learning the english language and learning it’s culture. I’ve always had to show my drivers license as a form of ID and never had a problem with it. I know it is for my protection and others. Only those that have things to hide are scared to provide it. The race card is over used. The illegal aliens are using it to keep the law from fully coming into fruition. The supporters of Illegal aliens are trying to help keep their friend in the states. Maybe if they entered the U.S. legally we woudn’t be having this discussion.
Well…another ingenious analysis from the Hispanic chauvinist Navarette, Jr. Let’s see…most of the people invading, pillaging and plundering are Hispanic. Many of their VICTIMS are white. SO…why wouldn’t it cleave along racial lines? That is just LOGIC. Nothing sinister like you attempt to insinuate. And since the major media is constantly telling people who are not white that whitey hates them, what else would you expect? Get used to it Navarette, Jr. By the way, why, in column after column, YOU NEVER MENTION THE SEETHING ANGER THAT BLACK AMERICANS HAVE FOR THE INVASION? HMMM? Why is that Navarette, Jr.? Why do you never mention how they resent being displaced, in jobs, education, in housing, driven out of their neighborhoods in California and elsewhere the hordes have colonized? WHY? Because the fact that BLACK PEOPLE resent it just as much as we crackers destroys your propaganda? Your MARXIST NARRATIVE? Is that an inconvenient truth for you?? We are on to you bro. So keep it up. Or take some time to see all the videos of those wonderful aliens cursing, spitting, and screeching at their victims and maybe, just maybe, you’ll get another bright idea and wake up to the fact that human beings don’t normally welcome attackers and parasites. NO MATTER WHAT COLOR/ETHNICITY THEY ARE. That’s JUST HUMAN NATURE. Or are we too white to be allowed to be people? Too white to be allowed to protect ourselves, families, and property? Too white to be allowed to live by our own laws in our own communities, on our own terms? People like you have been trying to destroy OUR CIVIL RIGHTS FOR DECADES. YOU HAVE MET YOUR WATERLOO. WE have had enough. So pull the race card. Who gives a rat’s rearend.
Rueben, “Hispanic” is not a race. Thus, this has nothing whatsoever to do with race. For me, I am actually a fan of Mexico’s immigration laws and think we should look to the wisdom of that country for ideas when crafting a “comprehensive solution.” Maybe we can start with sealing our southern border, as Mexico does, and shooting at anyone who tries to cross it, as Mexico does. I, a gringo, say “Viva!” Mexico’s immigration laws. How can I be anti-Mexican (i.e., Hispanic)?
By the way, I thought the use of the term “Hispanic” was “offensive” and that the term “Latino” should be used? Or should we use the ant-white term “People of Color?” Where do we gringos go to know what PC drivel to use so as not to offend you? Does the racist group La Raza’s website have a section for instructions? Also, what “race” is La Raza supposedly talking about?
I wrote this especially for you Rueben because, if anything, you are all about race.
YOUR ARTICLE STINKS. IT’S ACTUALLY PATHETIC. MANUDO..TEEHEE.CRAP
After reading your article, I don’t care what you’re “for”, I’m against it.
Most illegals and 30% of legal Hispanics object to the law. Are they like the 97% of Black voters who only voted for Onama for his skin color? Are we allowed to call blatant racism, racism. I really don’t give a rat’s a@@ that Hispanics likely to support their illegal cousins. Demanding immigration papers from Hispanics without a drivers license a hundred miles from the Mexican border isn’t racist, it’s prudent. If 70% of Muslim immigrants voted for Sharia law, do you really think current society would support it?
My wife is a Canadian citizen, and she is REQUIRED to carry her green card at all times. Why should Hispanic immigrants in south Arizona be exempt?
Ruben,
If the dispute cleaves along ethnic lines, how do you account for this:http://is.gd/enYPa ?
Excerpt:
“If Harry Reid can’t understand why any Hispanic would vote for a Republican, he ought to meet my dad. A Mexican-American resident of Maricopa County, my dad not only votes Republican (his first Republican vote was for Ronald Reagan, and he’s never gone back), but he also supports the new Arizona immigration law.
What Harry and other pandering politicians fail to realize is that Hispanic-Americans are Americans first. They worry about crime, the economy, taxes, and national security — all the same things their neighbors worry about.
The idea that the Hispanic vote hinges on one issue — immigration — is the most ridiculous and patronizing notion.“
You both laughed? What’s so funny?
I like Mexican food; but what’s strange, or amusing, or courageous, about ordering a Mexican dish in a Mexican restaurant?
There is nothing funny here. The implication is that the law is racist and would impact hispanics adversely because those implementing it would regard normal hispanic cultural behavior as suspicious. In fact, the majority of officers in Arizona are either hispanic, married to hispanics and thus the fathers of hispanic children, or thoroughly familiar with hispanic culture as they went to school with, played sports with, hungout with, served in the military with their hispanic buddies.
Navarette is a despicable clod who makes his living selling hate and lies.
In another surprising finding, researchers found a speciesist element to support or disapproval in surveys on new chicken-coop laws. Doctors Zorro, Fuchs and Reynard report that there is an overwhelming anti-vulpine level of support amongst chickens for new legislation preventing foxes being allowed to become coop security personnel, whereas almost 90% of foxes support amending the Hen-house Security Act to allow foxes equal rights with hound-dogs.
Dr Zorro said, “Some foxes feel alienated by new laws, even if they’ve been raised on local farms.”
He said that Dr Reynard and he had recently dined in a KFC restaurant, but had felt uncomfortable about ordering a family combo lest passing poultry mock them.
The bottom line is money.
We are rewarding people who break the law.
We can no longer afford to do it.
This problem is a major cause of California almost being bankrupt.
Cops not trained to identify law breakers??
Give me a break.
Just check everyone in custody after they commited a crime.
No profiling, no racism, just check everone.
Beneath the irrational and indefensible rhetoric coming from the Mexican racialists, lies the ugly tribalism of one particular group of people blatantly special pleading for their own group against the fair advantage of others. Not that tribalism isn’t widespread, or a perfectly natural inclination, but the tribal chauvinism of Mexicans, both legal and illegally living in the United States, has become so egregious and outspoken that is has become impossible to ignore; its like bad manners at a nice restaurant. Seemingly incapable of understanding liberalism, Mexicans look out for their own, with no regard anybody else, or the integrity of the process; they appear to have no sense of even-handedness whatsoever, and the millions of other people from around the world who would like to come to the US the legal way can just turn around because the Mexicans think they have a unique right to large parts of the United States all to themselves (I have never once met a Mexican national who, after running out of any rational argument for being here illegally, didn’t revert to claiming the southwestern US actually belonged to their people anyway). And, like most tribalists around the world who hope to profit from their own brand of ethnic chauvanism, the Mexicans have long ago learned the language of racial grievance-mongering and victim status to scare away anyone who would question their specious claims (they have been trying to position themselves along with blacks as a put-upon minority for decades so they can capitalize on the set-aside spoils systems).
Do a little thought experiment: let’s say LA was being invaded by tens of thousands of illegal Koreans who were pouring into traditional Mexican neighborhoods, working for very little, and very organized as a tribal group, even threatening to overturn the longstanding Mexican political hegemony in the districts. Now imagine the Koreans had an outrageously high birth rate as well, and would be the majority in LA within a decade. Do you think for a second, honestly, that the la Raza tribalists are going to be pouring into the street, waiving Korean flags, in support of this particular wave of illegal aliens, demanding they be permitted to stay? I think the answer is obvious; the Mexicans would be locking down the ports and beating the Koreans back onto their ships.
Large numbers of Mexicans are tribalists: they only look out about their advancement, not the advancement of anyone else, and the thousands of other minority groups in American need to wake up and smell the sour beer, raw sewage, and lime coming from south of the border; once the Mexicans have the numbers, you will soon discover it’s not America for all, but America for la Raza and only for la Raza. La Raza and (everything associated with it) is a racialist group of thugs who should be hounded and ridiculed right out of the country.
Now, as Ruben points out, a sizable portion of Mexican-Americans do not support either amnesty or open borders, and they are to be congratulated and enlisted as allies in the fight against both amnesty and the ongoing bum-rush of our borders by one group of yahoos. But huge numbers of “Hispanics” want no rule of law when it applies to them, and that amounts to awful lot of people demanding to be treated differently under the law. The conservatives need to stop pandering to the “Hispanic” vote, establish sound and universal principles for immigration, and then stick to them, selling the integrity and the inherent fairness of their message to all the ethnic groups in the US, including the “Hispanic” voters who obviously get it.
I put “Hispanic” in quotes; there really is no such thing, except maybe the 3% of Mexico’s ruling elite who are actually Hispanic. Almost all the illegals I am referring to are either mestizo or Indian and from from Mexico (and some from central America who try and succeed, despite Mexico’s strenuous attempts to stop them, in getting through Mexico to the US), so I refer to them as Mexicans; I think that more accurately describes the truth of the situation. BTW, the Mexican chauvinism also extends to other Spanish speaking nations to the south; America is for Mexicans, not Salvadoreans or Panamanians.
More hate whitey columns from Navarrette. Talk about a one trick professional racist. Yes, a professional whiner about racism. He is nothing better than the drug dealer and abettor of murder Al Sharpton.
My lunch companion is a Mexican-American and native Arizonan who is angered and disgusted by SB 1070, the state’s infamous immigration law that, before it was defanged by U.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton, didn’t just allow racial profiling but required it.
Required it? It was specifically prohibited! What a typical leftist liar and professional racist agitator.
Why PJ keeps this one trick pony is beyond me. Certainly one of the reason I don’t contribute to the site or to PJTV. Why pay for this drivel?
What I want to know is: how come Ruben never appears to defend anything he writes? I read him get roasted and hammered again and again with very solid arguments, and nothing but silence in return. Me, I can defend what I write, and am more than happy to roll up my sleeves from time to time and give as good as I get, but where’s Ruben? Has he ever come to the rescue of his column? I like him on PJM, and am glad he puts his voice on the line in a conservative web site, that takes balls, but I am rarely impressed with his argument.
Have a look at some of the comments above: would you want to hang around with people who treat you like that.
And you don’t even have to read the comments that get trashed.
“But I would imagine…”. Exactly! Navarette, who makes his living as a Professional Mexican, imagines quite a lot. He really wants every single Mexican to come to the USA and live for free, forever. And we get to pay for it. And, as we let them sweeps across the border in giant waves(they already have) how many of them will turn out to be dependent persons, criminals, diseased, welfarites, scofflaws, traitors, irresponsibles? And how many of those who come mingled in the crowd will be terrorists?
But Mr. N doesn’t want the cops to sort ‘em out. Because, while he doesn’t want ‘em in his neighborhood, he must appear simpatico to La Raza exclusively, or lose his hispanic and ultraleft readership; hence his “value” as a moneymaker for those stupid enough to hire him to scribble his drivel.
Tell you what, Rubie, my ancestors came here from ten different countries. All of them came here legally. My wife is chinese. She came here legally. Our adopted son is mexican. He came here legally. We keep the law. Y’all are scofflaws. You want to live in chaos. If we don’t all keep all the law all the time we live in Hell. A Hell where each one “does his own thing”; to the detriment of many others. There are but two things that keeps us all from living in a jungle; that is the Thin Blue Line of men who pin on their tin targets and walk the dark alleys while we sleep, and the Cammy Covered Courageous who stand between us and the Traitor-In-Chief and his communist-moslem allies.
The Republicans are so funny, when the economy is good you say let’s all celebrate “Cinco de Mayo, my brothers” but when the economy is down “it’s all your fault, you damn immigrant”. When most Americans (with Latin America roots) go to the polls this November we will remember that the GOP has gone on a nationwide rant in proposing and passing several anti-immigration legislation and have continue to blame the immigrant for the flat economy or worse. We will remember who stands with us and who stands against us, so trying to stop it now is somewhat funny, but go ahead, you will not change our minds. Is does not help that the GOP has recently attacked the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Your hate made you do it, in November; you will reap what you have sown.
Refer to comment #56.
Your own country doesn’t want you.
Mexicans refuse to fight for their own country.
Mexico is dying. Where are her heroes.
Benito, I am hispanic by ancestry, and I never heard of Cinco de Mayo until I moved to California. My mother, who is half Mexican and half Spanish never hear of it either. I resent you and your ilk trying to portray anyone who would disagree with you as racist when it is you that are the most racist. Our economy would be doing very well if we didn’t have the influx of tens of millions of people who won’t abide by any rule of law. We would still have hundreds of hospitals and all the support businesses still operating, the states budgets would probably be balanced by not paying out our tax dollars to illegal non-citizens who shouldn’t be getting them in the first place.
Problem with your logic is that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is for AMERICAN CITIZENS, not illegals. If this country is so horrible, why are you still here? Why don’t you go protest the southern Mexico borders treatment of illegals there and see how far you get? How much would I have to bet that you think the southwest still belongs to Mexico? Nevermind there were a couple of wars and several treaties and many millions of dollars that Mexico fought, signed, and was paid for by the U.S.
What’s the matter, you didn’t really read history, only listended to what some liberalized professor told you and thought that was the truth?
Americans will stand together or fall together, so if people who are legally in the U.S. feel angered or threatened by the Arizona law, even if their feelings result from a misunderstanding, then this is a problem for all of us, including those of us who want stronger border controls.
We may not be able to solve the problem but we need to at least try. For example, Mr. Navarette mentions that it would have been possible to draft middle of the road legislation that would have been acceptable to most Americans of Hispanic descent. If this is true, then we need to be looking at this.
“Police Say It’s ‘Very Possible’ Attacks Near Fairgrounds Had Racial Overtones”
“Police say it’s ‘very possible’ attacks near [the Iowa State] fairgrounds had racial overtones:” Tom Alex, “public safety reporter,” DesMoinesRegister.com
That classic example of contemporary journalism’s and conemporary journalists’ lack of backbone is characteristic of how the mainstream media deals with certain racial incidents and criminal activities in America’s and President Obama’s apocryphal and poisoned post-racial atmosphere.
Following stabbings on August 14th, last weekend two cops were injured as were an unspecified number of civilians, three people were arrested, and a number taken into custody and later released after groups of marauding teenagers and young adults, males and females, caused havoc in and around Iowa’s state fair.
A nearby resident indicated she had never before witnessed such “hostility” toward police who had to fend off repeated assaults, many by females.
Des Moines Police Sgt. David Murillo stated in a report, “On-duty officers at the fairgrounds advise there was a group of 30 to 40 individuals roaming the fairgrounds openly calling it ‘beat whitey night.’ ”
Yet the Des Moines Register and its “public safety reporter,” Tom Alex, ran with the intentionally obtuse, evasive, and misleading headline that “It’s very possible attacks near fairgrounds had racial overtones?”
Very possible? . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=1862)
Posted by berlet98 at 12:11 AM
Carlos Slim Helu could solve the immigration problem with 1 billion of his 53.5 billion.
Roads, elementary schools, middle schools, high schools, nursing schools, agricultural schools etc. etc. etc.
The truth is the political elite of Mexico don’t want the illiterate testosterone loaded masses in their country.
Mexico needs a revolution, but her own people won’t fight for her.
Ruben, must be a record for you! You’d gone THREE (3!) paragraphs before mentioning a ‘Mexican-American’. Hyphenated Americans – thanks for the ‘unity’ *sigh*
‘They twisted the legal term “reasonable suspicion” to the point where, in the real world of policing, the first hint that someone is in the country illegally will likely be skin color’ – NICE ASSUMPTION, RUBEN. You’re strawman’s argument is WEAK. Though pouting, adding empathy and voila! – YOU inserted identity politics to a bill THAT DOESN’T suggest as such.
FYI: Arizona borders Mexico. Mexico is a 3rd World hellhole. Many of the illegals (~66% ARE FROM MEXICO) in MY border abuse every facet of our system. And yet, I’m not supposed to be concerned or encourage law enforcement to do the job the Feds won’t do?
I lived half my life in California. Bay Area and Central Coast. I’ve seen forsthand the destruction of ‘sanctuary cities/state’ mentality has caused.
Ruben, what do CA, AZ, NV have in common? A large Hispanic population and (California ‘boasting’ of Hispanics being the teen majority) ranked 47th-49th nationally in regards to education scores.
‘But the architects of SB 1070 weren’t that smart’ – Look in the mirror, Ruben. You write an op-ed column and have employment due to PC protocol.
‘Weren’t’ – have they all passed away?
‘Yhey’ – Did you mean ‘They’.
I recommend proof reading your work before submitting it. Considering it’s your occupation and all..
Di, EDb: This is all about politics and November 2010 and nothing more. The most outrageous racial profile law was AZ SB1070, the one that failed in our US Courts that the proponents claimed was Constitutional. The current GOP wants to decide for you when they will apply our Constitution and Bill of Rights in the bent minds (Good luck with that). Considering that all the numbers of crime are down In AZ (even ex-governor Janet Napolitano agrees).
So we have Brewer signing a bill (that she probably did not even read), lying about the crime rates in AZ, and now we find out that she is in the pockets of PRIVATE PRISONS who stand to benefit with the increase Federal jailing.
So quit lying, with your pathelic rhetoric, stand up and be men or women, no, no I am sorry your leaders are now just Birthers, Baggers and Blowhards and will continue to take the GOP towards obscurity because they are no longer a party of ideas, just of empty suits. Good bye, fawell….
In the last four months Jan Brewer has been caught lying, three times and counting.
The comments made on June 16, 2010, and June 27, 2010, clearly indicates that the Brewer says that immigrants are beheading people in the United States desert. She first ran away from the question and the press when confronted with the question. She finally when to FOX/ FAKE News to recant her lie.
When Brewer was confronted with the fact the two of her top Advisors (Paul Senseman, Chuck Coughlin) are lobbyist for “Private Prisons” giant CCA she first ran away from the question and the press.
In an attempt to gain sympathy, she first said her father had died in Germany fighting the Nazi in World War II (which ended 1945) but of course we find out the truth that her father was never in Germany and died in California in 1955. Do you see a trend here?
Brewer signed into law SB 1070 Bill (Did she even read it?), lied about the crime rates in AZ (even Janet Napolitano knows that all crimes rates went down), and now we find out that she is in the pockets of PRIVATE PRISONS who stand to benefit with the increase Federal jailing, and thus they will pay her back, I wonder if it has to do anything about the fact that her son was transferred to a brand new prison, he was convicted for rape and sexual assault, I guess the fruit does not fall far the tree.
“Private Prisons Lie”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMcgXxzcBeY
“AZ Crime Rates”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eb4mMk6XgQ
“Father Lie”
http://vodpod.com/watch/3771595-charles-krauthammer-rips-jan-brewer-for-lying-about-her-father-dying-in-ww2