Comments on: Sudan Not Afraid of the ICC http://pjmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:45:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: ella http://pjmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-78062 ella Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:35:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-78062 follow up to above from alarabiya: "Arab League criticizes ICC for Bashir warrant What the prosecutor of the court has done is a dangerous precedent," Algerian Foreign Minister Mourad Medelci told his Arab counterparts. "We have (to take) ... a strong stance in solidarity with our brothers in Sudan and move effectively with regional and international organizations and the ... states in the Security Council to immediately reconsider this demand by the prosecutor," he said, according to extracts of his speech." Yep, arabic solidarity is very important, even a solidarity with genocidal rulers. . follow up to above from alarabiya:
“Arab League criticizes ICC for Bashir warrant

What the prosecutor of the court has done is a dangerous precedent,” Algerian Foreign Minister Mourad Medelci told his Arab counterparts.

“We have (to take) … a strong stance in solidarity with our brothers in Sudan and move effectively with regional and international organizations and the … states in the Security Council to immediately reconsider this demand by the prosecutor,” he said, according to extracts of his speech.”

Yep, arabic solidarity is very important, even a solidarity with genocidal rulers. .

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Sudanese reactions to the ICC charges against President al-Bashir http://pjmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-77497 Global Voices Online » Sudanese reactions to the ICC charges against President al-Bashir Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:38:29 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-77497 [...] Thinker published his analysis and shared two photos he found in a very active Sudanese Facebook group discussing the ICC's [...] [...] Thinker published his analysis and shared two photos he found in a very active Sudanese Facebook group discussing the ICC's [...]

]]> By: ella http://pjmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-77091 ella Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:16:50 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-77091 I understand that perhaps ICC may not be able to *do* anything to Bashir but at least ICC acknowledges genocide in Darfur - OIC does not want to. Furthermore the major objection is the probable inability of ICC to arrest Bashir but situation may change. Drina, remeber the story about Hodja Nasruddin and his claim that within a year he will teach a horse to talk? He explained that "within a year the king may die, or I may die, or the hose may die. Furthermore, who knows? Maybe the horse will learn to talk" Don't you think that if there would be an arrest warrant for Bashir he will not be able to go out of the country, many a states will not be able to invite him for visit as they do right now and they will not be able to officially deny the reality of his genocidal policies? BTW have you read ICC application for warrant? ".........Militia/Janjaweed, singled out for attack those villages and small towns inhabited mainly by members of the target groups. The attackers went out of their way to spare from attack villages inhabited predominantly by other tribes considered aligned with the Government, even where they were located very near villages inhabited predominantly by members of the targeted groups The Prosecution has charted all the known attacks that have taken place from 2003‐2008 on an interactive map of Darfur, showing towns, villages and the tribal composition of the inhabitants (available on the ICC OTP website). The results show that the overwhelming majority of villages attacked were inhabited mainly by the target groups. They were clearly selected for attack............. The targets are not rebel forces, but the Fur, Masalit and Zaghawa communities. Attacks are typically launched against civilian targets, and do not cease until the town or village, in its entirety, has been victimized and its population forcibly displaced, regardless of the lack of rebel presence or the lack of any valid military objective. Witnesses have also described instances in which rebels were known to be located outside of towns or villages, but attackers from the Armed Forces and Militia/Janjaweed bypassed those locations to attack the towns or villages instead....." http://www.icc-cpi.int/library/organs/otp/ICC-OTP-Summary-20081704-ENG.pdf I understand that perhaps ICC may not be able to *do* anything to Bashir but at least ICC acknowledges genocide in Darfur – OIC does not want to. Furthermore the major objection is the probable inability of ICC to arrest Bashir but situation may change.
Drina, remeber the story about Hodja Nasruddin and his claim that within a year he will teach a horse to talk? He explained that “within a year the king may die, or I may die, or the hose may die. Furthermore, who knows? Maybe the horse will learn to talk” Don’t you think that if there would be an arrest warrant for Bashir he will not be able to go out of the country, many a states will not be able to invite him for visit as they do right now and they will not be able to officially deny the reality of his genocidal policies?

BTW have you read ICC application for warrant?

“………Militia/Janjaweed, singled out for attack those villages and small towns inhabited mainly by members of the target groups. The attackers went out of their way to spare from attack villages inhabited predominantly by other tribes considered aligned with the Government, even where they were located very near villages inhabited predominantly by members of the targeted groups The Prosecution has charted all the known attacks that have taken place from 2003‐2008 on an interactive map of Darfur, showing towns, villages and the tribal composition of the inhabitants (available on the ICC OTP website). The results show that the overwhelming majority of villages attacked were inhabited mainly by the target groups. They were clearly selected for attack………….

The targets are not rebel forces, but the Fur, Masalit and Zaghawa communities. Attacks are typically launched against civilian targets, and do not cease until the town or village, in its entirety, has been victimized and its population forcibly displaced, regardless of the lack of rebel presence or the lack of any valid military objective. Witnesses have also described instances in which rebels were known to be located outside of towns or villages, but attackers from the Armed Forces and Militia/Janjaweed bypassed those locations to attack the towns or villages instead…..”

http://www.icc-cpi.int/library/organs/otp/ICC-OTP-Summary-20081704-ENG.pdf

]]> By: olad http://pjmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-76852 olad Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:46:37 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-76852 It,s not good to hate any fellow human beings unless that kind of ethenic is evil or like to ruin the world but still some people are very harmfull and like to eridicate the others for no reoson or less measuremant then to be reached to let them go or show "0" tolerence yet we see , feel and know how the law is not equels to all mankind for instance , ICC called some power full men earlier years _those they call world leaders _but never showed up in the court or rejected to come or don,t even recognise their excistence of ligitimcy at all. how come then one can obey such law that never rulled over Bush and Ramesfield and Gonzelos sorry if i miss pronounced the last name !? we need real change and one who can bring back the dignity and reliabilty of whats when is upon a time known as world,s most precious country . It,s not good to hate any fellow human beings unless that kind of ethenic is evil or like to ruin the world but still some people are very harmfull and like to eridicate the others for no reoson or less measuremant then to be reached to let them go or show “0″ tolerence yet we see , feel and know how the law is not equels to all mankind for instance , ICC called some power full men earlier years _those they call world leaders _but never showed up in the court or rejected to come or don,t even recognise their excistence of ligitimcy at all.
how come then one can obey such law that never rulled over Bush and Ramesfield and Gonzelos sorry if i miss pronounced the last name !? we need real change and one who can bring back the dignity and reliabilty of whats when is upon a time known as world,s most precious country .

]]> By: I challenge you http://pjmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-76762 I challenge you Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:40:58 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-76762 watch this video and demand answers. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6802228062297352475 watch this video and demand answers.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6802228062297352475

]]> By: ListeningandLearning http://pjmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-76179 ListeningandLearning Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:59:01 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-76179 Azores, We'd have to be able to get to them to do so. Darfur is blocked off from what I understand. Last I knew Chad's IDP camps are accessible, but there is still no way to go into Darfur without conflict. The consequences could also be very bad, and give the Khartoum government more 'justification' for 'counter-insurgency'. The ICC and UN need to go in and get him. Period. Without him, the conflicts will crumble (though the Sudan has been an area in great conflict for sometime) Azores,

We’d have to be able to get to them to do so. Darfur is blocked off from what I understand. Last I knew Chad’s IDP camps are accessible, but there is still no way to go into Darfur without conflict.
The consequences could also be very bad, and give the Khartoum government more ‘justification’ for ‘counter-insurgency’.

The ICC and UN need to go in and get him. Period. Without him, the conflicts will crumble (though the Sudan has been an area in great conflict for sometime)

]]> By: Azores http://pjmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-75792 Azores Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:59:15 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-75792 A naive question: why do not arm and train the people of Darfour? A small army would make wonders. A naive question: why do not arm and train the people of Darfour? A small army would make wonders.

]]> By: Drima http://pjmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-75340 Drima Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:09:34 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-75340 "one’s mouth should refrain from writing checks one’s ass cannot cash" LOL Dick, that's hilarious! toohugeworld, Precisely my friend! “one’s mouth should refrain from writing checks one’s ass cannot cash”

LOL Dick, that’s hilarious!

toohugeworld,

Precisely my friend!

]]> By: toohugeworld http://pjmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-75304 toohugeworld Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:07:54 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-75304 Drima, I think you've hit this nail on the head. While the sentiments are laudable and the information contained in the indictment is, no doubt, interesting, it will not help move Sudan towards peace. It will push this government to stonewalling and non-cooperation, precisely what we need less, not more of, these days. Drima,

I think you’ve hit this nail on the head. While the sentiments are laudable and the information contained in the indictment is, no doubt, interesting, it will not help move Sudan towards peace. It will push this government to stonewalling and non-cooperation, precisely what we need less, not more of, these days.

]]> By: Dick Eagleson http://pjmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-75178 Dick Eagleson Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:55:42 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sudan-not-afraid-of-the-icc/#comment-75178 I believe there is a not so old saying to the effect that one's mouth should refrain from writing checks one's ass cannot cash. I believe there is a not so old saying to the effect that one’s mouth should refrain from writing checks one’s ass cannot cash.

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