Strange Happenings During Ohio Early Voting Period
The first thing she did was issue an advisory opinion allowing people to register and vote on the same day, during the “overlap” between the beginning of early voting (35 days out) and the end of registration (30 days out). This was a reversal of the 2006 precedent. Republicans asked how someone could register and vote on the same day when Ohio statute says that you have to be registered 30 days before voting. She answered that when you vote by no-fault absentee you aren’t voting. Your vote occurs on election day when it is counted, not on the day you cast it.
There is one problem with same-day registration and voting: the registration may not be valid, and if it is not, then the vote shouldn’t be counted. Consequently, Brunner recommended that ballots cast (but not “voted”) by same-day registrants must be cast on paper and be treated as provisional ballots until the registration is validated. Election Journal, a conservative website that documents election shennanigans, interviewed two people (in Lucas County and in Franklin County ) who registered and voted on electronic voting machines in violation of Ohio election rules. If those registrations are valid, nothing can be done to remove those cast votes.
The second thing she did was to issue an advisory opinion advising county election officials that Ohio law does not require that partisan election observers be allowed to observe registration and voting. This is contrary to the practice on election day and a reversal of the 2006 precedent. Two of the largest counties, Montgomery (containing Dayton) and Franklin (containing Columbus), did not allow Republican election observers to enter the polling place. Media, however, were allowed.
The Ohio GOP sued in federal and state court to stop the implementation of these advisories. They lost all cases. Brunner also tried to throw out absentee ballot applications sent out by the McCain campaign because the campaign added an extra check-box to the application. This time, the GOP won in court. Clearly Brunner was not protecting everyone’s right to vote. If that was her interest, she would have applied the same lax standards to the McCain campaign’s applications that she applies to absentee voting.
The consequences of Brunner’s changes are unclear. Shelby Holliday, a Columbus-based correspondent for Palestra, a national student news network, has been following the Columbus voting. She interviewed a voter, who voted for Obama because of his “thug thizzle” and who said that he had taken a bus from Chicago to vote. He stayed overnight at a homeless shelter and registered from that address. When she talked to him, he was waiting for a ride back to the Greyhound station. Ms. Holliday also reports on a variety of others problems.
With only a couple of anecdotes, three potentially illegitimate votes were identified out of approximately 3,000. In all probability, there are more, and we may yet find out how many questionable votes were irrevocably cast before election day.
Ultimately, the lesson is that unclear rules sorted out in courts prior to elections raise question about the legitimacy and integrity of our elections. If similar things occur in Missouri and Pennsylvania (which have long histories of election fraud), Wisconsin (where there are already indictments), Nevada (where ACORN offices were raided by state authorities for violations of election law), or Washington (which had problems in 2004 in its governor’s race), then this election may also be shrouded in illegitimacy.
That would not be good for our own self image or our reputation with other countries.
The most amazing thing is that the GOP lost the court cases. How stupid were their lawyers, or how crooked was the judge? And why not go to the SCOTUS?
Well, maybe there’ll be a backlash. That would be a good ad. “The Dems are clearly trying to steal the election here. We’ve tried all legal remedies. The people are our last hope. Make them pay for trying to steal this, or any election.”
This won’t have any affect on our standing internationally. For one thing, the news media will ignore this. For another, it’ll lead to Obama getting elected, and supposedly that will resuscitate our reputation internationally. No problem, right?
what are the protests about? you bring in bus loads of disenfranchised voters and they get a vote. they are just playing by the rules…vote early, vote often. 3rd world voting, they will have more votes than the census count. my what a growth in population come voting time.
terrifying.
When voting fraud is rampant, democracy is dead
…and not just in Ohio…
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/08/acorn-watch-when-it-rains-it-pours/
by any means necessary…but, don’t blame them. If you are just waking up and finding out about Saul Alinsky…shame on you.
If you are just waking up and finding out that our universities are overrun with indoctrination “plants” in tenured professors, shame on you.
If you have been unaware of the rampant “grass roots” campaigns to gerrymander districts and tilt elections, …shame on you.
If you have stood silently by while virtually every facet of our information stream has been corrupted with lies, intentionally misleading reports, photoshopped photographs, forged documents, staged photojourna-lies, failure to report key facts, cultlike brainwashing techniques, film propaganda, ….shame on you.
We have done absolutely nothing to stop it other than tsk-tsk on our favorite blogs. Our universities are a hotbed of hatred of America and Israel. Treasonous propaganda and seditious lies are ingrained in our youth there…your kids…and you do nothing about it.
Your “news” is completely corrupted. You can’t get even a semblance of the truth out of the wire services, the alphabet news rooms, the large metropolitan dailies…and still you sit there.
Hollywood produces screed after screed that trashes your country, and yet you support it with your dollars.
Understand this, if you don’t get it by now…that your communication channels have been in a chokehold, that your ability to get your ideas out into the marketplace have been strangulated, that they have organized a slow and steady marginalizing of your worldview…you are to blame as much as they are.
They are organized, you are not. They have a goalpost…you do not. They have the ability to mobilize forces, you do not. They are vocal, you are not. You assemble, you do not. They are galvanized, you are not. In any theater or campaign…one of the first things you do…is cut off communication. Yours has been so severely damaged, it will take decades to repair.
The next thing you do, is wear down the will to resist. Propaganda is probably the most powerful tool in the entire arsenal. If your communications are dead and you can’t fight their propaganda message effectively, if they “own” all the reports, all the “news”, all the facts…you lose.
The third thing you do, is try to demonize you and lionize themselves. You are bad, they are good. You are evil, they are saintly. You are racist, they are tolerant. You are warmongering, they are peaceful. You are greedy, they are giving. You are stupid, they are smart. Since you have no ability to communicate or articulate your ideas…their ideas dominate the culture. You, therefore…are not chic, not nuanced, not cool…they are.
William Ayers can get a professorship at the University of Illinois-Chicago Circle Campus, Dorhn can get a position at Northwestern, Noam Chomsky can get one at MIT, …people who have bombed our Pentagon, who openly preach treason and sedition, …but those who hold your values are not welcome. And you just sit there. Think about this, your views are not even welcome in the discussion.
Your wire services intentionally give you false reports…and you do nothing.
Your tv “news” stations commit glaring acts of intentional deceit and still you will not organize a protest.
Your economy is based upon essentially 25% of you carrying the rest on your backs, they steal your money for groups that slander you, and you sit around waiting for someone else to stand up to them…and then blame your elected officials for not taking them on…by not voting for them.
It’s either time to get up off the couch and stand up for yourself, or it’s time to quit complaining that you don’t like the situation. It should be pretty obvious by now, nobody is going to do it for you. If you don’t like extreme leftism, it’s time to wake up and smell the coffee. You are in a war with the Aliskyites and you are losing.
They are organized and you are not. And they intend to win…by any means necessary.
Dimocrat axiom – “Vote, vote often.” Great article and excellent information on a election travesity that will not even make it to the Classified Section of the liberal-controlled newspapers or TV broadcasts. One thing for certain, if the mainstream media heard something happened like this in the first Democratic election in Iraq it would still be front page news!
EVERYBODY should read the comment by cfbleachers – too true.
what was it that Edmund Burke said? – ‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.’
where are the good men/women of this nation and when will they rise up and do something?!
Guys this is VERY dangerous.
And enemy has very extensive experience in VOTER FRAUD
This time they may need it more then ever.
In 2000 met Marat Gelman
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Since 2000
* In April 2002 Guelman leaves “Foundation of Efficient Politics” explaining that “FEP practically became a department of media services of President Administration”.
* Between June 2002 and February 2004 he was working as an assistant of General director of Channel One, head of analytics. His resignation letter explained that this job was too simple for his analythical skills.
* Between March and October 2003 he was working in election staff of Sergey Glazyev and Dmitry Rogozin coalition Rodina (its name was changing, first it was “Comrade” and “Comrades”). (Later these clients were included in his own “list of fascists and xenophobs” [2].)
* In 2004 he has participated in Ukrainian presidental elections as an advisor of Viktor Yanukovych (whose coalition Party of Regions most possibly has no connections with same-name Polish and Russian parties.)
* Between summer 2005 and autumn 2006 he was a prominent member of newly-created Social Democratic Party of Russia.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marat_Gelman#Since_2000
They call him the most devious technologist of voter fraud and dirty politics.
He is like David Axelrod multiplied by 100.
In 2000 we talked about Yushenko future presidential bet.
Yushenko was THE MOST POPULAR polititian in Ukraine since 1995 or so.
MARAT GELMAN explained to me in small detail
HOW thru
MANY DIFFERENT FRAUD METHODS
you can MAKE ANY ELECTORAL RESULTS POSSIBLE
Gelman is a rich man. He collected millions in fees for his work from politicians in Russia and Ukraine
Gelman is very good in manipulative methods in MSM
He travels to USA frequently,
as an art dealer he ran projects in partnership with the best contemporary art museums in the world and USA
Anything is possible. Any result in any election.
JUST PAY THE PRICE
>cfbleachers:
lets organize. click on my name and leave a comment or contact there
there are things we can do together and number one:
we need A PLAN for tha we need more brains for that we need to start brainstorming, a serious one
It seems like you are admitting that the election is lost and are searching for a reason other than the real one that the majority of the voters prefer Obama
Please: when it comes to dubious if not outright crooked elections, the GOP is Microsoft compared to the Democrats as, say, Opera (as in the Opera browser). Apparently thanks to Bush and Palin (you guys have no idea how many young, very bright, highly educated women got angry and political, and became big Obama supporters thanks to McCain’s pick, which many took as a personal insult), there has been a huge surge in new voter registration by people really, really not wanting another Republican dimwit to screw up the country and the world at large even more. The GOP’s BS fraud charges involve only the tiniest of fractions of new voters and appear to be no more what you should expect when dealing with an increasing pile of new voters.
And to Kabud: good luck finding enough brains among your right wing colleagues to stir soup, nevermind create something resembling anything like a storm….
Robert Hurley, if Senator Obama wins the election fair and square, I promise you that I will sit back, be quiet and pray that the Constitution is as strong as our Founding Fathers wanted it to be. I won’t cry and I won’t whine about losing. But the very foundation of our republic is that voters are represented fairly and equally.
Otherwise, which is to say if Obama is elected as a result of voter fraud, we will have a clear-cut case of taxation without representation. Wasn’t there a country once that fought a revolution against something like that?
Maybe the reason the majority of voters prefer Obama is that so many are voting from cemeteries.
“Amendment XXVI
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.
Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”
Doesn’t say anything about the states not being allowed to grant the franchise to the dead so I guess what Democrat secretaries af state are doing nationwide is legal.
You seem to be implying that if any fraud exists, it is the Democrats doing it. The Republicans are trying as hard as any to find “whatever” way they can to get those votes. Both parties have succumbed to underhanded voting procedures if they could get by with it.
It is up to each state to make sure that their state insures integrity in the voting. States have different voting regulations, so it is entirely their responsibility.
BC:
we have enough already and will win
in the process it is very likely that kremlin will attack USA in a serious way
If that happens and when it happens :
Those patriots who are prepared now will surpvive and country will be ruled by us.
We KNOW what will happen, we are ready.
You will most likely be dead as well as mostly all of “useful idiots”
But anyway lists of traitors will be used to provide for a new security needs
Which means that even if some communists who will be warned by soviets will survive-
we will get them
So anyway, stupid or dumb or with a false so called `university` `education` – lefties will be done with.
You know, i have advanced degree in space aerodinamics))) speak several languages fluently
have many years of experience in designing complex computer systems))
to give a few))))
i can imagine you IQ and `education`)) you idiot
cfbleachers – I agree with much of what you said, however I didn’t see any proposed solutions. The GOP sued and lost, so what’s next? I’m not up for firebombing ACORN offices or violence, so what’s a person to do? I don’t pay Hollywood, and haven’t for many years but I’m apparently in the minority there. I’ve tried counter-protesting when liberals protest our troops and immigration reform but I’m far too aggressive for that and I had to stop. I tend to get in people’s faces when they call me names or throw bottles at me and going to jail for assault is not on my list of things to do. I’ve written many letters to various lawmakers, Secretaries of State, and Attorney Generals but that’s apparently been ineffective as well.
So, what can we really do about the entrenched machine that’s out there to destroy American Democracy? How do regular folks get universities to fire radical educators? How do we rid the election system of groups like ACORN? I would love to hear some suggestions – I’m always game for trying to help as long as the methods are lawful.
BC – Do I hear a little paranoa in your response?
ditto – at this point it would be beyond naive to believe that Obama will win “fair and square.” For every instance of identified potential voter fraud by ACORN there are most likely many more that the verification system just isn’t staffed to find.
There is no right-wing organization equivelent to ACORN so the liklihood of widespread voter fraud by the Republicans is remote. If there was such a group you know that the MSM would be headlining it daily.
What to do, what to do? How about vote with your pocketbooks?
Don’t send your kids to Leftist universities, no matter their reputation. Don’t hire people with degrees from those universities. Require transcripts. If you see a lot of fluff indoctrination courses, don’t hire them. Start discovering which schools actually offer proper educations, and spread the word.
Vote down school levies. The States are supposed to pay for schooling. You already pay enough. You shouldn’t have to pay more. Make sure your school is getting its share of the wealth. School systems pay $10k/yr on average per student. That’s a rather pricey college education, no? The performance is worse and worse, because there’s too much fluff, and not enough drilling and math and science.
Finally, abandon the nonsense about not discussing religion or politics. These are simply the two most important topics to discuss.
>Marc Malone:
all very true
my support
It’s beginning to look like ACORN stands for
A ctivists
C ounting
o n
R igged
N umbers
It doesn’t matter who is the best candidate for President IF the outcome ofthis election is to be predetermined byan ideology of reform at any cost.
Thanks to all media who have brought this to the attention of ALL Americans.
re; OH, 75k suspected voter registrations in Cuyahoga County all from ACORN. Judge has granted GOP appeal and Brunner is under investigation. I am so relieved. FBI has raided offices of Election Boards in a few states. The system is beginning to work. Lies are being exposed. McCain is going to win this one.
Someone nominate that judge to the SCOTUS! First good judicial decision I’ve heard in… in… in….
“Not ready to lead” was the poor and mistaken mantra before in McCain ads. Poor and mistaken because it is not a matter of more time for the younger senator to blossom into a leader but that he is the most dangerous canidate to ever run for president. It’s not just Barack Hussien Obama but everybody who’s behind him. This guy is 9/11 personafied. As Ayers and his gang are domestic terrorists still operating to undermind and destroy this country as founded by our forefathers. Obama is part of his gang. They are birds of a feather. There are no morals, there is no fear of God within them and are willing to seek to highjack the most powerful seat in this world, the presidency of the USA by any means. They are not alone though or few in numbers but are backed by a major part of the MSM as their propoganda machine. Money by the millions is being laundered in to fill their political machines coffers. This money is coming in from enemies within our country but also from enemies without. We are hearing of many corrupt activities going on to promote voter fraud. They have sympathetic friends entrenched in our federal goverment. They infest our public schools and universities. Now, they are only weeks away from the prize they seek. To man the Whitehouse with one of their own and end this dreaded country of liberty under God and make it under the man who would be god. Is McCain ready to lead?
Is McCain going to start to tell the truth? He’s too busy trying to look like a leader when America needs him to start acting like the leader who wants to the win the war thats raging within our own borders. The enemy is right in front of his face. McCain you said it already at the convention..FIGHT! FIGHT! You were willing to lose the election to win the war in Iraq but in truth you need to win the election to beat the enemy and expose him and all behind him. He is within our borders and about to take over. This isn’t just about an election. The man said it right in the Weather Underground documentary in like words, “The revolution HAS been going on! Now the question is WHO is winning it!?”. This is about the country’s survival against those who hate God and it. Why do you think Palin raised their hackles and brought “primal screaming” hisses as she was unveiled. McCain was propt up by them in the primary as a set up to bring him down in the election. His choice of Palin shocked them as she sent a bolt of energy and acted as a catalyst against them as she unified the party base and is willing to fight and expose their corrupt activities. Lord willing, the nation will stand up against Obama and his kind once more. I must say though their loss of this election won’t stop what they are up to. That will take more, a lot more.
Thank you for a restrained article on this issue. No thinking American wants to see fraudulent voting. As an Ohio citizen, occasional pollworker, and [full disclosure] a Democrat, I think certain things can be said.
First, the courts upheld Bruner on the “same day” issue because she was implementing the relevant laws as the Republican controlled Legislature had actually written them, and there was no essential inconsistency between the language of both laws. Our fine Republican legislators are not exactly world-class legal craftsmen, and that they overlooked this issue doesn’t surprise me in the least.
Second, she was pretty clearly in the legal wrong on the McCain registrations issue. Whatever her motivations, she should have seen that this would not stand, and was pointless to push. But she is what people call a “self-starter”, and this is not the first time she has taken the initiative and fallen on her nose.
As to the machine voting, I must say I am very skeptical of the YouTube “proof”. When the observer was handed the court order bouncing him from the premises, they were pretty clearly in the Board of Elections. I’ve been there and I recognized the location in the building immediately.
But if he was bounced from the premises, how on earth did he get any footage from inside the voting room? Especially footage that is clearly shot by someone standing on a table or a chair behind the voter so that the camera can catch the touchscreen.
This is the sort of thing that gets noticed if you try to do it surreptitiously. So where did the footage come from?
Moreover, the room with the voting machine doesn’t look in the least like any voting area in Veterans Memorial that I remember. Nor does the interview foyer resemble any thing that I remember in that building. If I have a little time on Monday, I may just go down there and see if I can find anything that matches.
Finally, I would be curious to know just who the young lady “voter” was constantly glancing toward on her right. Whoever it was seemed to have much more of her anxious attention than the man with the microphone. For an interview, that’s quite odd.
“With only a couple of anecdotes, three potentially illegitimate votes were identified out of approximately 3,000. In all probability, there are more, and we may yet find out how many questionable votes were irrevocably cast before election day.”
For all the fuss about ACORN, there is something that needs to be pointed out. In 2004, 122+ million people voted nationally, 5.6+ million people voted in Ohio. We were the single swing state that realistically could have changed the result from Bush to Kerry. The Bush victory margin was 118,000+ or 2.11%. The late lamented Yankee Stadium seated 57,000. Fill up Yankee Stadium twice with fraudulent voters, and you still wouldn’t have enough to change that election result.
I don’t know whether or not ACORN is capable of fielding 120,000 fraudulent voters in Ohio, but I see no reason to believe that they can. All you have to do is think about what it would really take in terms of time, money, and effort to get 120,000 people to do anything, and you can see immediately that the scale of a Presidential election dwarfs any imaginable conspiracy to field illegal voters.
For example, voting fraud is a fifth degree felony in Ohio. The only reason anyone would risk casting an illegal vote is if they were bribed to do it. So let’s say you paid these 120,000 people $20.00 each. I wouldn’t risk felony prison time for that amount of money, but maybe there are 120,000 strung out crackheads in Ohio who would.
At $20 a head, the cost to ACORN would be $2,400,000.
I doubt they have that much in their budget.
Frankly, it’s a lot easier and less expensive to canvass the legitimate voters, than to bribe the fraudulent ones.
More effective, too.
Joseph Marshall:
man, you wouldn’t believe:
i personally know many people involved in elections on different levels
mostly in Ukraine and Russia
There are so MANY different technologies how to fix the results of elections that can easily be applied here in USA
Thats not my opinion, but i’ve heard it from people who now it, not just out there in soviet world but they know it here too.
It is done through manipulations with list of voter, thru registration, thru many many different schemes
The only fact that makes american elections more or less clean, not always, for example
i know from a judge in Chicago that dirty elections take place in USA, he saw it
he also was present at Ukrainian elections in 2004 and saw all the dirty stuff
yes, it was much dirtier the USA he said
If russian organized crime can effectively manipulate financial system here as we can see today-
they might have a working plan for the elections
Why am i saying that russians manipulate finances?
Well, first of all there is no organized crime in the world that is not manipulated, infiltrated and effectively controlled by KGB and their allied partners from China
Second : naked short sales and many derivatives schemes are conducted from shady dealers from offshore jurisdictions -
exactly where russian kgb mobster keep their money and organize this thing
We talk about hundred of billions and very likely that Chinese and OPEC money are also engaged
in oil speculations- for sure
the only reason why we have predominately clean elections here:
is the high morales of general public
but if you compomise enough people- you will not be able to keep it clean EVER
thats why kgb conducts subversive operations in USA for dozens of years
but thats a different story
Well, kabud, what I can tell you about elections here stems only from my experience in Ohio. The principal safeguards are four:
1) Requirement for a secondary ID number and a signature for matching on every official document: registration, requests for mail-in ballot, mail-in ballots, paper ballots at the polls, or access to voting machines.
2) Protocols that require at least two citizen volunteer pollworkers, one from each party–and sometimes all six pollworkers at once, three from each party–for every action from opening the polls, unsealing the machines, processing the voters, managing the machines, certifying the counts against the fresh signatures on the voting rolls, resealing the machines, and closing the polls.
3) State law mandated County Board of Election protocols for unsealing the machines, and counting the votes.
4) Ohio Department of State supervision of (3) backed up by powers of arrest of the Ohio Highway Patrol; and legal recourse through the courts if (3) and/or (4) break down.
In my experience, (1) and (2) make it extremely difficult for any single fraudulent voter to actually obtain a ballot, or access to a voting machine. Also, (4) is very difficult to subvert because the state supervisors do not actually handle the ballots or counts.
This leaves (3) as the weakest link in the chain. To that all I can say is that anybody fiddling with things at the Board of Election level risks not only being fired, but also being prosecuted, as would anyone trying to bribe them.
When all four of these things are done properly, voting fraud on any scale large enough to spike an election is far too difficult and dangerous to be worth trying. The system is not foolproof against a single fraudulent voter [I think none can be] but fraud on any scale is effectively held in check.
But, beyond that, all we can do is step up, become involved as citizens of a free country, and demand that these four things are done right.
If the US was in as bad shape as cfbleacher’s says we would indeed be in bad shape BUT
We have Fox News Channel and Fox Business Channel who DO present both sides of the news.
We have talk radio with a number of conservative talk shows.
The main stream media has been losing listeners and readers for years.
Without all that much organization, Americans have been boycotting left-wing and anti-war films quite effectively.
The universities have priced themselves out of the market. Charles Murray’s idea, in REAL EDUCATION, of replacing college with certification may take hold. Accountants have to pass a 14 hour exam. Who would you hire? A c- accountant with a degree from Harvard or an A student who got his training online or at a local college?
There are many stories of people with BAs who can’t get jobs and go to a technical school to get trained and then get jobs. So why pay for four years of babysitting and left-wing indoctrination.
I personally believe in studying on one’s own and taking CLEP exams for credit. One woman who knew several of the romance languages (spanish, french, italian, portugese) graduated with a 4 year degree in 6 months.
Americans are pissed at losing their retirement money and want to know who’s responsible. Fox did a documentary last night which will be repeated which indicts Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and Barack Obama.
I don’t think young people are feeling quite as idealistic about Obama as they once did. The stench of Chicago politics is getting too strong.
I don’t think Obama will get elected. Too many scandals bubbling up. We can’t rely on the main stream media to spread the word but radio and the internet do a pretty good job.
All is not lost. As Edward Evertt Hale said:
I am only one,
but still I am one,
I cannot do everything
but still I can do something
and because I cannot do everything
I will not refuse to do the something that I can do.
I will do.
CR and CFBLEACHERS: I support your initiative: how about filing a lawsuit against ACORN for malicious intent? getting an injunction against them for fililng fraudulent voter forms like the one reported here, 11 year old girl in NY? Surely there are some legal avenues and lawyers in this forum to help put together a lawsuit that stops ACORN from operating nationwide?
A lawsuit to invalidate all voter registration forms submitted by acorn. That’s what I would push for in the courts, and through the FBI and find a way to disarm the Secretary of Elections from accepting those registrations, in case they have the power to do so. A second lawsuit against illegal contributions from overseas that Obama has used already, not returned; those illegal contributors used made-up names, with unknown addresses. There is so much evidence on this that a judge can act and cut Obama’s funding, so he can’t buy the 30 minute infomercial 3 days before the election…. just brainstorming, I’m one that is afraid for our country, our future, so I’ll call the GOP office and start vounteering here in my city. That’s something we can all do.
Bah. There’s no appreciable election fraud; if anything, this is the usual right-wing “suppress the vote” maneuver, with the added side benefit that they can try to claim a stolen vote when their lame candidate tanks.
IN OHIO, YOU HAVE TO SHOW A VALID GOVERNMENT ID TO VOTE. You can try to register Mickey Mouse, but unless Mr. Mouse shows up on election day with his driver’s license, he doesn’t get to vote, capice?
Newt, this has been mentioned in many places…YES, there is evidence of voter fraud already in Ohio. If you have to show a valid ID to vote, how is it possible for many out-of-state college kids holed up in a house in Ohio to register and send in absentee ballots? That has already happened.
Newt, Here’s a little video support on that from Palestra.net:
http://palestra.net/videos/play/17193
When McCain loses by 6 million votes, are the conservatives going to put on their tin foil hats and cry? And you wonder why American Independents have a hard time taking you seriously anymore. Especially when our economy is falling around our ankles. Yeah, let’s moan about voter “registration” fraud. Please, get serious.
Here’s a guy who’s living in one place and voting in another. Perhaps this is voter fraud? This is from the Dayton Daily News
Residency questions continue to dog Husted
Husted claimed a tax break on a Kettering house; his wife got a break on another home
Related article: Tax breaks raise doubts
By Lynn Hulsey
Staff Writer
Saturday, October 18, 2008
Photos
Ohio House Speaker Jon Husted, R-Kettering, who is running for the 6th District Ohio Senate seat, says the house at 148 Sherbrooke Drive, Kettering, is his residence.Click to enlarge
Husted, who was elected in 2000 and represents the 37th House District, also lives with his wife and children at 2672 Coventry Road in Upper Arlington.Click to enlarge
His wife, Tina Husted, owned the house until she sold it this summer and bought the house at 2305 Haverford Road, Upper Arlington. Rep. Husted said they are living in the Coventry Road house while renovating the Haverford Road house.Click to enlarge
DAYTON — Ohio House Speaker Jon Husted, R-Kettering, has long claimed that although he lives with his family in Upper Arlington, his real home is in his district in Kettering.
But legal documents involving property owned by Husted and his wife, Tina, raise new questions about his principal place of residence.
Those documents show that Jon and Tina Husted received a property tax break on the Upper Arlington home she owned at the same time he got a tax reduction for his Kettering home.
Ohio law says a couple can only take that tax reduction on one home.
Montgomery County Auditor Karl Keith, a Democrat, and Franklin County Auditor Joe Testa, a Republican, said they will investigate to see if the law was broken. Since they married in 2005, Jon and Tina Husted each claimed a separate house as a primary residence on legal documents that trigger the 2.5 percent property tax reduction for owner-occupied homes.
“The 2.5 percent reduction is meant to be on one property and one property only. It’s supposed to be your primary residence,” said Keith. “Those are legal documents. You are signing those documents under penalty of perjury.”
A “principal residence” is a person’s legal, permanent residence and used to determine where a person can vote, according to John Kohlstrand, spokesman for the Ohio Department of Taxation.
By law, Husted cannot run for the Legislature if he does not live in his district. He is registered to vote in Kettering.
Husted said he stays in an Upper Arlington house with his wife and children because his job as Speaker keeps him in Columbus more than most legislators.
He would not say how often he sleeps in his Kettering home, nor whether he plans to move his family to that house once he relinquishes his Speaker duties this year, or if he is elected to the Ohio 6th District Senate seat.
His opponent in that race, Democrat John Doll, said Husted should forfeit his seat if it turns out he does not legally reside in the district.
Husted said he does live in the district and was unaware of the tax issue. It did not involve a great deal of money. Between 2005 and 2007, the property tax reduction saved the Husteds $577.04 on Tina’s house and $205.08 on his house.
“Along the lines of everything you asked me today, with technical details and all these kinds of things, at this point I don’t know that anybody has questioned whether I’ve done a great job,” Husted said. “I will continue to do a great job.”