Comments on: Still Dis-Putin’ History After All These Years http://pjmedia.com/blog/still-dis-putin%e2%80%99-history-after-all-these-years/ Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:18:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: David W. Lincoln http://pjmedia.com/blog/still-dis-putin%e2%80%99-history-after-all-these-years/#comment-401798 David W. Lincoln Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:48:41 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=67164#comment-401798 Natalia Novikova, thanks for the link. When you have government restraining itself, via the Magna Carta, instead of Clergy warning the government (usually the king in those days) that a line has been crossed, and the government is jeopardizing itself because of over-reach; we wind up with a different path to the desired future. Natalia Novikova, thanks for the link. When you have government restraining
itself, via the Magna Carta, instead of Clergy warning the government (usually the king in those days) that a line has been crossed, and the government is jeopardizing itself because of over-reach; we wind up with a different path to the desired future.

]]> By: David W. Lincoln http://pjmedia.com/blog/still-dis-putin%e2%80%99-history-after-all-these-years/#comment-401796 David W. Lincoln Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:40:55 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=67164#comment-401796 Richard, what set me off was your reference to the "weird rules of Western Europe". Padraig of Ireland, Martin of Tours, Ambrose of Milan, just to name 3 are of the West, yet they maintain continuity with the East. The same can be said of living witnesses like Bishop Kallistos, author of "The Orthodox Way" and "The Orthodox Church" One of the most honourable desciptions of man's inhumanity to man dished out by the hammer & sickle comes to us via Richard Pipes. Lastly, one of my uncles was a POW for 18 months in the Second World War, he was kept near Moosburg, which isn't that far from Dachau. Even though Soviet soldiers were treated abominably in the camp, they did not want to be returned to the Soviet "Soyuz". So, the rottenness of that decision is more indicative of the fallenness that started in the Garden of Eden, rather than what you refer to as, "Western Europe's weird rules". Richard, what set me off was your reference to the “weird rules of Western Europe”. Padraig of Ireland, Martin of Tours, Ambrose of Milan, just to name 3 are of the West, yet they maintain continuity with the East. The same can be said of living witnesses like Bishop Kallistos, author of “The Orthodox Way” and “The Orthodox Church”

One of the most honourable desciptions of man’s inhumanity to man dished out
by the hammer & sickle comes to us via Richard Pipes.

Lastly, one of my uncles was a POW for 18 months in the Second World War, he
was kept near Moosburg, which isn’t that far from Dachau. Even though Soviet soldiers were treated abominably in the camp, they did not want to be
returned to the Soviet “Soyuz”. So, the rottenness of that decision is more
indicative of the fallenness that started in the Garden of Eden, rather than
what you refer to as, “Western Europe’s weird rules”.

]]> By: Natalia Novikova http://pjmedia.com/blog/still-dis-putin%e2%80%99-history-after-all-these-years/#comment-401512 Natalia Novikova Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:12:00 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=67164#comment-401512 New Yorkers, bar night in the city, Tea Party folks, a little r and r.... http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=281756200650&ref=mf New Yorkers, bar night in the city, Tea Party folks, a little r and r….
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=281756200650&ref=mf

]]> By: Natalia Novikova http://pjmedia.com/blog/still-dis-putin%e2%80%99-history-after-all-these-years/#comment-400998 Natalia Novikova Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:20:27 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=67164#comment-400998 David, Richard, heres an essay by Conquest, you two have more in common than you think,having read both your comments elsewhere in this site: http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3523261.html David, Richard, heres an essay by Conquest, you two have more in common than you think,having read both your comments elsewhere in this site:
http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3523261.html

]]> By: Richard Wilson http://pjmedia.com/blog/still-dis-putin%e2%80%99-history-after-all-these-years/#comment-400964 Richard Wilson Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:26:21 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=67164#comment-400964 David, excuse my brashness. I apologize for the rudeness, but to liken me to Philby cut deep. I am not a Communist, and resent being called one. True, I think there should be some kind of Nuremberg Trial for the victims of the Soviet state---perhaps even arresting any former KGB agent, including Putin. I have read everything , in Russian and English, about Communism, especially the horrors of the Soviet state. Heres a link to what I think are the best books on the evil , I created the list, so if anyone is to blame , it is myself.:http://www.amazon.com/Horrors-of-Communism/lm/R1S1T8K5LBD6A6 Communism is anti-truth, anti-Life, I sir, am not a Communist. There is a tragic clash between Truth and the world. Pure undistorted truth burns up the world. Nikolai Berdyaev David, excuse my brashness. I apologize for the rudeness, but to liken me to Philby cut deep. I am not a Communist, and resent being called one. True, I think there should be some kind of Nuremberg Trial for the victims of the Soviet state—perhaps even arresting any former KGB agent, including Putin. I have read everything , in Russian and English, about Communism, especially the horrors of the Soviet state. Heres a link to what I think are the best books on the evil , I created the list, so if anyone is to blame , it is myself.:http://www.amazon.com/Horrors-of-Communism/lm/R1S1T8K5LBD6A6
Communism is anti-truth, anti-Life, I sir, am not a Communist.
There is a tragic clash between Truth and the world. Pure undistorted truth burns up the world.
Nikolai Berdyaev

]]> By: Richard Wilson http://pjmedia.com/blog/still-dis-putin%e2%80%99-history-after-all-these-years/#comment-400952 Richard Wilson Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:03:36 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=67164#comment-400952 David, first off , do you know how to read? To throw me in with Philby is disingenious. What are trying to say? I agree that Sharansky, Bukovsky and Bonner ( I met her after a talk in NYC)command respect, I did not say they didn't---did I? So, too, does Evgenia Ginzberg, Bardach, Shalamov and hundreds more. Please, explain what it is you are trying to say. Just because I tried to point out the "why" the CCCP did what she did, I , in no way, condone it. In fact, Mr. "Lincoln", I have actively fought, with pen and fists, Communism, so I don't think I need a lecture by someone who cannot write without sounding as if his mouth is full of food. Panyatna? Just because one has sympathy for the victims of the worst evil known to mankind, Communism(tied with Islam), doesn't make one a sympathizer. I specifically said that when the Nazis weren't destroying themselves the Soviets did fine with being as totalitarian as the Nazis. David, first off , do you know how to read? To throw me in with Philby is disingenious. What are trying to say? I agree that Sharansky, Bukovsky and Bonner ( I met her after a talk in NYC)command respect, I did not say they didn’t—did I? So, too, does Evgenia Ginzberg, Bardach, Shalamov and hundreds more.
Please, explain what it is you are trying to say. Just because I tried to point out the “why” the CCCP did what she did, I , in no way, condone it. In fact, Mr. “Lincoln”, I have actively fought, with pen and fists, Communism, so I don’t think I need a lecture by someone who cannot write without sounding as if his mouth is full of food. Panyatna? Just because one has sympathy for the victims of the worst evil known to mankind, Communism(tied with Islam), doesn’t make one a sympathizer. I specifically said that when the Nazis weren’t destroying themselves the Soviets did fine with being as totalitarian as the Nazis.

]]> By: David W. Lincoln http://pjmedia.com/blog/still-dis-putin%e2%80%99-history-after-all-these-years/#comment-400902 David W. Lincoln Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:05:44 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=67164#comment-400902 Richard Wilson, enough of your trying to get away with following Kim Philby, Burgess, and the rest of that jaded lot. When people like Sharansky, or Bukovsky, or Elena Bonner speak, they command respect. Does this diminish their "Russianness"? (Even though Sharansky is Jewish, there are attributes of Russian culture that are discernable in his character, such as what Doestoevsky points toward). No, it does not. Therefore, accepting that the world is better off for the writings of Tolstoy, Pasternak, Solzhenitsyn, Doestoevsky, and Pushkin, as well as the art of Repin, Ivanov, Glazunov, Vasnetsov, and Kramskoi, not to mention the music of Borodin and Tchaikovsky; this speaks to the true broad mindedness that the human race is capable of. Richard Wilson, enough of your trying to get away with following Kim Philby, Burgess, and the rest of that jaded lot.

When people like Sharansky, or Bukovsky, or Elena Bonner speak, they command respect. Does this diminish their “Russianness”? (Even though Sharansky is Jewish, there are attributes of Russian culture that are discernable in his character, such as what Doestoevsky points toward). No, it does not.

Therefore, accepting that the world is better off
for the writings of Tolstoy, Pasternak, Solzhenitsyn, Doestoevsky, and Pushkin, as well as the art of Repin, Ivanov, Glazunov, Vasnetsov,
and Kramskoi, not to mention the music of Borodin
and Tchaikovsky; this speaks to the true broad mindedness that the human race is capable of.

]]> By: myth buster http://pjmedia.com/blog/still-dis-putin%e2%80%99-history-after-all-these-years/#comment-400702 myth buster Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:31:49 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=67164#comment-400702 27. The nukes would've taken about three weeks each to build, so we could've had another one ready by the time Japan formally surrendered. 27. The nukes would’ve taken about three weeks each to build, so we could’ve had another one ready by the time Japan formally surrendered.

]]> By: Richard Wilson http://pjmedia.com/blog/still-dis-putin%e2%80%99-history-after-all-these-years/#comment-400398 Richard Wilson Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:33:35 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=67164#comment-400398 "wish we had destroyed the Soviets", The CP destroyed the soviets, but Im sure this isn't what you meant, I am quite sure you don't really know what you mean, eh? Do you know what the Eastern Front was like? What the Soviet Union endured? Mass death, cannibalism, hunger(not Great Depression-Peter Fonda hunger), self-destruction, when Hitler wasn't destroying them, they destroyed themselves.What we should have done was put more troops on the ground in Vladivostok during the Bolshevik coup, not only that but thousands more into the Crimea, onto Moscow and assisted the Czar. But, as always, western governments have always detested Russia, always. She's def. not been great at p.r. Nor has she been really civilized, according to Western Europes weird rules. One rule for Russia, another for us, yes? “wish we had destroyed the Soviets”, The CP destroyed the soviets, but Im sure this isn’t what you meant, I am quite sure you don’t really know what you mean, eh? Do you know what the Eastern Front was like? What the Soviet Union endured? Mass death, cannibalism, hunger(not Great Depression-Peter Fonda hunger), self-destruction, when Hitler wasn’t destroying them, they destroyed themselves.What we should have done was put more troops on the ground in Vladivostok during the Bolshevik coup, not only that but thousands more into the Crimea, onto Moscow and assisted the Czar. But, as always, western governments have always detested Russia, always. She’s def. not been great at p.r.
Nor has she been really civilized, according to Western Europes weird rules. One rule for Russia, another for us, yes?

]]> By: Richard Wilson http://pjmedia.com/blog/still-dis-putin%e2%80%99-history-after-all-these-years/#comment-400396 Richard Wilson Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:23:47 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=67164#comment-400396 Whoever said Poland suffered the most is slightly more idiotic than Obama after nitrous hits. The Russian people lost 3 million soldiers, more than all other soldiers combined in the Euro theater. Add to this , they were the primary target of the rogue state----as another poster said, this is ludicrous, noone in Putins government is responsible for Katyn, for Magadan, for the Holodomor, for the Purges, the ethnic cleansing of dozens of nations, most all of the blame can be laid at the crooked feet of one Georgian man: Iossif Dzigishvilli. Whoever said Poland suffered the most is slightly more idiotic than Obama after nitrous hits. The Russian people lost 3 million soldiers, more than all other soldiers combined in the Euro theater. Add to this , they were the primary target of the rogue state—-as another poster said, this is ludicrous, noone in Putins government is responsible for Katyn, for Magadan, for the Holodomor, for the Purges, the ethnic cleansing of dozens of nations, most all of the blame can be laid at the crooked feet of one Georgian man: Iossif Dzigishvilli.

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