Comments on: Steven Spielberg and the Beijing Olympics of Doom http://pjmedia.com/blog/spielberg_and_china/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:23:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: breezaway http://pjmedia.com/blog/spielberg_and_china/#comment-23100 breezaway Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:29:56 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/steven-spielberg-and-the-beijing-olympics-of-doom/#comment-23100 Yes, well, Speilberg is posturing for the folks back home, not to influence some earnest Chinese (which he would regard as 'Chinese Masses'). He would be most dissapointed that the 'masses' do not respond, but after all it's his US and Western 'image' that is important to him. A matter of 'moral posturing', playing out on TV and in Hollywood. I am not sure how we stomach such a show-off. After all, he's been doing this sort of thing for years. G Yes, well, Speilberg is posturing for the folks back home, not to influence some earnest Chinese (which he would regard as ‘Chinese Masses’). He would be most dissapointed that the ‘masses’ do not respond, but after all it’s his US and Western ‘image’ that is important to him. A matter of ‘moral posturing’, playing out on TV and in Hollywood.

I am not sure how we stomach such a show-off. After all, he’s been doing this sort of thing for years. G

]]> By: breezaway http://pjmedia.com/blog/spielberg_and_china/#comment-23099 breezaway Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:26:34 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/steven-spielberg-and-the-beijing-olympics-of-doom/#comment-23099 Yes, well, Speilberg is posturing for the folks back home, not to influence some earnest Chinese (which he would regard as 'Chinese Masses'). He would be most dissapointed that the 'masses' do not respond, but after all it's his US and Western 'image' that is important to him. A matter of 'moral posturing', playing out on TV and in Hollywood. I am not sure how we stomach such a show-off. After all, he's been doing this sort of thing for years. G Yes, well, Speilberg is posturing for the folks back home, not to influence some earnest Chinese (which he would regard as ‘Chinese Masses’). He would be most dissapointed that the ‘masses’ do not respond, but after all it’s his US and Western ‘image’ that is important to him. A matter of ‘moral posturing’, playing out on TV and in Hollywood.

I am not sure how we stomach such a show-off. After all, he’s been doing this sort of thing for years. G

]]> By: breezaway http://pjmedia.com/blog/spielberg_and_china/#comment-23098 breezaway Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:20:50 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/steven-spielberg-and-the-beijing-olympics-of-doom/#comment-23098 Yes, well, Speilberg is posturing for the folks back home, not to influence some earnest Chinese (which he would regard as 'Chinese Masses'). He would be most dissapointed that the 'masses' do not respond, but after all it's his US and Western 'image' that is important to him. A matter of 'moral posturing'. I am not sure how we stomach such a show-off. After all, he's been doing this sort of thing for years. G Yes, well, Speilberg is posturing for the folks back home, not to influence some earnest Chinese (which he would regard as ‘Chinese Masses’). He would be most dissapointed that the ‘masses’ do not respond, but after all it’s his US and Western ‘image’ that is important to him. A matter of ‘moral posturing’.

I am not sure how we stomach such a show-off. After all, he’s been doing this sort of thing for years. G

]]> By: P. Ami http://pjmedia.com/blog/spielberg_and_china/#comment-23097 P. Ami Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:33:18 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/steven-spielberg-and-the-beijing-olympics-of-doom/#comment-23097 I lived in China for almost 2 years. From my experience, I found the Chinese people to be marginally friendly, very self-serving and ignorant of the rest of the world. The moral relativism of Nobody is evident when comparing anyone who does not agree with the majority to an individual who is directly responsible for the deaths of a few thousand people. The fact that Chinese Ren, when I lived in China, thought that the US had it coming to it on 9/11, that you will find Bin Laden t-shirts sold as souvenirs and that every excuse under the sun is provided for the graft, theft and various other wild schemes one sees on a daily basis is partly a function of never having had a genuine experience with cultures and systems outside of their own. Then again, they also excuse Mao's murder of tens of millions as, "There are too many Chinese anyway". Then there was the college education computer programmer who once told my wife that if he had only one day to live he would buy a gun and kill as many Japanese as he could and the college educated office manager who told me a Chinese King once conquered half of Europe (Ghangis Kahn). Two things about that last revelation that I found illuminating. A) China's rational for its conquest of Tibet is, what was once part of China is always part of China. B) This same student denied that an Indian Queen once defeated the Chinese armies and took procession of Chinese territories (Victoria of England). Logic, innovation and property is not respected in China as it is in even this degraded version of the West. It is no wonder the Chinese still light up when you mention their thousand year old invention of gunpowder. Perhaps the progress JustAnotherInfidel wants us to wait for is far off indeed. I lived in China for almost 2 years. From my experience, I found the Chinese people to be marginally friendly, very self-serving and ignorant of the rest of the world.

The moral relativism of Nobody is evident when comparing anyone who does not agree with the majority to an individual who is directly responsible for the deaths of a few thousand people. The fact that Chinese Ren, when I lived in China, thought that the US had it coming to it on 9/11, that you will find Bin Laden t-shirts sold as souvenirs and that every excuse under the sun is provided for the graft, theft and various other wild schemes one sees on a daily basis is partly a function of never having had a genuine experience with cultures and systems outside of their own. Then again, they also excuse Mao’s murder of tens of millions as, “There are too many Chinese anyway”. Then there was the college education computer programmer who once told my wife that if he had only one day to live he would buy a gun and kill as many Japanese as he could and the college educated office manager who told me a Chinese King once conquered half of Europe (Ghangis Kahn). Two things about that last revelation that I found illuminating.

A) China’s rational for its conquest of Tibet is, what was once part of China is always part of China.

B) This same student denied that an Indian Queen once defeated the Chinese armies and took procession of Chinese territories (Victoria of England).

Logic, innovation and property is not respected in China as it is in even this degraded version of the West. It is no wonder the Chinese still light up when you mention their thousand year old invention of gunpowder. Perhaps the progress JustAnotherInfidel wants us to wait for is far off indeed.

]]> By: Thomas http://pjmedia.com/blog/spielberg_and_china/#comment-23096 Thomas Mon, 18 Feb 2008 10:31:46 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/steven-spielberg-and-the-beijing-olympics-of-doom/#comment-23096 It is dead wrong if anyone consider Mr. Spielberg a person another A-Mei. It is also dead wrong to say "In China, nobody cares" about Mr. Spielberg's decision, indeed it has caused a shock wave in China, the fact of your writing from GZ in China itself mirrors it. The author claims that "China was founded on the atheist principles of communism", wrong. At no single exception of communism regimes in the world has it helmed by an atheist, Chinese communist party has made every effort to establish and create its leader and the party as the unique God in China-- jails open widely the doors for dissents. And this time the jail in Beijing opens its door to those residents who protest being kicked out of the city with their aged homes were shoveled away just to make the city look modern for 2008 Olympic. It is dead wrong if anyone consider Mr. Spielberg a person another A-Mei. It is also dead wrong to say “In China, nobody cares” about Mr. Spielberg’s decision, indeed it has caused a shock wave in China, the fact of your writing from GZ in China itself mirrors it. The author claims that “China was founded on the atheist principles of communism”, wrong. At no single exception of communism regimes in the world has it helmed by an atheist, Chinese communist party has made every effort to establish and create its leader and the party as the unique God in China– jails open widely the doors for dissents. And this time the jail in Beijing opens its door to those residents who protest being kicked out of the city with their aged homes were shoveled away just to make the city look modern for 2008 Olympic.

]]> By: John Dunshee http://pjmedia.com/blog/spielberg_and_china/#comment-23095 John Dunshee Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:17:44 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/steven-spielberg-and-the-beijing-olympics-of-doom/#comment-23095 <blockquote><i>The Chinese Government is feeling the backlash from it's citizenry against injustice and corruption.</i></blockquote> They are? I thought the whole point of the piece was that they're not. China has seen that Communism leads to poverty. So they have advanced to Fascism. The State no longer has a monopoly on business, but they still have a monopoly on censorship and regulation. They don't need to own it, as long as they control it. But they will still call it Communism, just as in the U.S. it is called Liberalism. <blockquote><i>"But isn't that like..Fascism?" "No son...because we don't call it that" - South Park</i></blockquote> Capitalism - The means of production are owned and controlled by private parties. Communism/Socialism - The means of production are owned and controlled by the State. Fascism - The means of production are owned by private parties but are controlled by the State.

The Chinese Government is feeling the backlash from it’s citizenry against injustice and corruption.

They are? I thought the whole point of the piece was that they’re not.

China has seen that Communism leads to poverty.

So they have advanced to Fascism.

The State no longer has a monopoly on business, but they still have a monopoly on censorship and regulation. They don’t need to own it, as long as they control it.

But they will still call it Communism, just as in the U.S. it is called Liberalism.

“But isn’t that like..Fascism?”

“No son…because we don’t call it that” – South Park

Capitalism – The means of production are owned and controlled by private parties.

Communism/Socialism – The means of production are owned and controlled by the State.

Fascism – The means of production are owned by private parties but are controlled by the State.

]]> By: JustAnotherInfidel http://pjmedia.com/blog/spielberg_and_china/#comment-23094 JustAnotherInfidel Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:36:38 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/steven-spielberg-and-the-beijing-olympics-of-doom/#comment-23094 "Western governments and societies were all founded on the same Christian principles and their laws are built on those same principles of morality and fair play; modern day China was not. China was founded on the atheist principles of communism and has morphed into what it is today: business and making money. There is little regard for "moral" issues when it comes to the competition over business interests. " Let's give the Chinese a little time to adapt. We used to have child labor, indentured servitude and monopolistic business practices in the U.S. before the labor movement. All with the blessings of our good Christian leadership. The Chinese Government is feeling the backlash from it's citizenry against injustice and corruption. “Western governments and societies were all founded on the same Christian principles and their laws are built on those same principles of morality and fair play; modern day China was not. China was founded on the atheist principles of communism and has morphed into what it is today: business and making money. There is little regard for “moral” issues when it comes to the competition over business interests. ”

Let’s give the Chinese a little time to adapt. We used to have child labor, indentured servitude and monopolistic business practices in the U.S. before the labor movement. All with the blessings of our good Christian leadership. The Chinese Government is feeling the backlash from it’s citizenry against injustice and corruption.

]]> By: A. N. Pierson http://pjmedia.com/blog/spielberg_and_china/#comment-23093 A. N. Pierson Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:14:11 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/steven-spielberg-and-the-beijing-olympics-of-doom/#comment-23093 One thing should be obvious - someone with Spielberg's experience would be perfectly aware of the business implications of his actions. And yet he went ahead and did it. Good for him. The Chinese may be too paranoid to allow their people to hear about this, but the rest of the world has. One thing should be obvious – someone with Spielberg’s experience would be perfectly aware of the business implications of his actions. And yet he went ahead and did it. Good for him.

The Chinese may be too paranoid to allow their people to hear about this, but the rest of the world has.

]]> By: Concerned American http://pjmedia.com/blog/spielberg_and_china/#comment-23092 Concerned American Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:03:17 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/steven-spielberg-and-the-beijing-olympics-of-doom/#comment-23092 nobody, if only it were 20 years ago that persecution of different groups in China had ended. Persecution of Falun Gong continues to this day, with tens of thousands imprisoned and over three thousand documented deaths to date. In the past month, another dozen were killed. Who are these people who are persecuted? Peaceful and gentle people, arrested for the "crime" of practicing a non-violent, compassionate and tolerant belief system. Why are they persecuted? Because the Chinese Communist Party can't control it -- practice is entirely up to the individual and there is no centralized organization. When old women are arrested for peacefully meditating in a park or even in the privacy of their own home, something is definitely wrong. Not everyone cares only about making money and supporting the evil. nobody, if only it were 20 years ago that persecution of different groups in China had ended. Persecution of Falun Gong continues to this day, with tens of thousands imprisoned and over three thousand documented deaths to date. In the past month, another dozen were killed.

Who are these people who are persecuted? Peaceful and gentle people, arrested for the “crime” of practicing a non-violent, compassionate and tolerant belief system.

Why are they persecuted? Because the Chinese Communist Party can’t control it — practice is entirely up to the individual and there is no centralized organization.

When old women are arrested for peacefully meditating in a park or even in the privacy of their own home, something is definitely wrong. Not everyone cares only about making money and supporting the evil.

]]> By: Curly Smith http://pjmedia.com/blog/spielberg_and_china/#comment-23091 Curly Smith Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:22:25 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/steven-spielberg-and-the-beijing-olympics-of-doom/#comment-23091 I think this "Well, he only made a statement to the western media outlets: in China, nobody cares." should read "Well, he only made a statement to the western media outlets: in China, nobody hears about it". If a liberal buffoon criticizes a dictatorship does he make a sound? I think this “Well, he only made a statement to the western media outlets: in China, nobody cares.” should read “Well, he only made a statement to the western media outlets: in China, nobody hears about it”.

If a liberal buffoon criticizes a dictatorship does he make a sound?

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