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		<title>By: Bilgeman</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/specters-opposition-could-sink-card-check/#comment-229006</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilgeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#58 deguello:
&quot;you’d make a great union organizer …in Cuba! Scratch a liberal:find a Stalinist!&quot; (to David S)

 No he wouldn&#039;t. David S couldn&#039;t organize an orgy in a Havana whorehouse even if he had a wad of crisp new $100 bills from a Union PAC fund in his wallet.
 And yes...that particular method is in the arsenal. Hidden cameras and opposition reserach and all.

(BTW, we called the Seafarers Political Action Donation-SPAD-&quot;SILENCE!-PAY AS DIRECTED&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#58 deguello:<br />
&#8220;you’d make a great union organizer …in Cuba! Scratch a liberal:find a Stalinist!&#8221; (to David S)</p>
<p> No he wouldn&#8217;t. David S couldn&#8217;t organize an orgy in a Havana whorehouse even if he had a wad of crisp new $100 bills from a Union PAC fund in his wallet.<br />
 And yes&#8230;that particular method is in the arsenal. Hidden cameras and opposition reserach and all.</p>
<p>(BTW, we called the Seafarers Political Action Donation-SPAD-&#8221;SILENCE!-PAY AS DIRECTED&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: whyyeseyec</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/specters-opposition-could-sink-card-check/#comment-228847</link>
		<dc:creator>whyyeseyec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arlene Splincter is a professional backstabber. Never trust him. 

Never fall in love with a politician. They`ll break your heart every time.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arlene Splincter is a professional backstabber. Never trust him. </p>
<p>Never fall in love with a politician. They`ll break your heart every time&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Still Bill</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/specters-opposition-could-sink-card-check/#comment-228624</link>
		<dc:creator>Still Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arlen, why is your decision to vote against &quot;card check&quot; a close call?  An intimidated worker is not a voter you &quot;god dam&quot; fool.  Unions don&#039;t do shit for workers except lose jobs and pay union leaders big salaries.  Get real man!  How old are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arlen, why is your decision to vote against &#8220;card check&#8221; a close call?  An intimidated worker is not a voter you &#8220;god dam&#8221; fool.  Unions don&#8217;t do shit for workers except lose jobs and pay union leaders big salaries.  Get real man!  How old are you?</p>
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		<title>By: mwl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/specters-opposition-could-sink-card-check/#comment-228499</link>
		<dc:creator>mwl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@53. David S&lt;/strong&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The union doesn’t have the threat of termination as leverage. That’s the ace in the hole for the employer - and can provide a powerful incentive for workers to act against their larger interests.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This statement fails the giggle test. Big Labor may not be able to fire you, but there are plenty of other means of &quot;leverage&quot; at their disposal to &quot;persuade&quot; you to sign that card. Big Labor, too, decides what your &quot;larger interests&quot; are; you have little say in the matter.

When I asked a pro-union friend of mine how unions can get away with some of the things they do, his response was to point out that &quot;cops are union.&quot; Can you feel the chill? You should.

There is plenty of potential for unions to be just as unscrupulous as you believe employers to be. Hence, while I do think there is room for reform in the NLRA, I  strongly oppose the EFCA bill as it stands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@53. David S</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The union doesn’t have the threat of termination as leverage. That’s the ace in the hole for the employer &#8211; and can provide a powerful incentive for workers to act against their larger interests.</p></blockquote>
<p>This statement fails the giggle test. Big Labor may not be able to fire you, but there are plenty of other means of &#8220;leverage&#8221; at their disposal to &#8220;persuade&#8221; you to sign that card. Big Labor, too, decides what your &#8220;larger interests&#8221; are; you have little say in the matter.</p>
<p>When I asked a pro-union friend of mine how unions can get away with some of the things they do, his response was to point out that &#8220;cops are union.&#8221; Can you feel the chill? You should.</p>
<p>There is plenty of potential for unions to be just as unscrupulous as you believe employers to be. Hence, while I do think there is room for reform in the NLRA, I  strongly oppose the EFCA bill as it stands.</p>
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		<title>By: wancow the islomogynist</title>
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		<dc:creator>wancow the islomogynist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;d like to know, people, is why Unions are NOT subject to Anti Trust law...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;d like to know, people, is why Unions are NOT subject to Anti Trust law&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: deguello</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/specters-opposition-could-sink-card-check/#comment-228379</link>
		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T#55 Well written,cogent post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T#55 Well written,cogent post!</p>
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		<title>By: Paparon</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/specters-opposition-could-sink-card-check/#comment-228238</link>
		<dc:creator>Paparon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What good is a ballot if it is not secret? Other than secret, the ballot is void. Secret ballot, a basic right,it is not unumerated in the Constitution, so the 9th amendment&#039;s &quot;certain rights&quot; should not be denied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What good is a ballot if it is not secret? Other than secret, the ballot is void. Secret ballot, a basic right,it is not unumerated in the Constitution, so the 9th amendment&#8217;s &#8220;certain rights&#8221; should not be denied.</p>
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		<title>By: deguello</title>
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		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#53:David S (we all know what the S stands for),you&#039;d make a great union organizer ...in Cuba!  Scratch a liberal:find a Stalinist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#53:David S (we all know what the S stands for),you&#8217;d make a great union organizer &#8230;in Cuba!  Scratch a liberal:find a Stalinist!</p>
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		<title>By: deguello</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/specters-opposition-could-sink-card-check/#comment-228191</link>
		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? has this poltroonish,tumor,decided to start taking testosterone and regrow testicles? Who cares? It&#039;s too late,clown. Deguello to Spector:&quot;DROP DEAD&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? has this poltroonish,tumor,decided to start taking testosterone and regrow testicles? Who cares? It&#8217;s too late,clown. Deguello to Spector:&#8221;DROP DEAD&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Common Sense</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/specters-opposition-could-sink-card-check/#comment-228174</link>
		<dc:creator>Common Sense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David S writes:

&quot;The problem with a secret ballot is that the employer is given the opportunity to harass and fire workers before the vote occurs.&quot;

No, not legally.  Taking an adverse employment action against any employee for exercising his right to join, or not join, a union violates the National Labor Relations Act. The law already addresses this issue.  If the potential for pre-vote harassment is your real concern, then you should be lobbying for better enforcement or greater punishment of offenders -- not stripping employees of a secret ballot. 

In contrast, a secret ballot makes it far more difficult to retaliate.  Strip the secret ballot away, then you might as well wear a bullseye on your back when you vote in a union election or are asked to sign a card. 

Finally, I did not put &quot;words in your mouth&quot; when I traced the history of the secret ballot in union elections.  You previously claimed that I offered &quot;no reason to believe that card check would lead to intimidation of workers by organizers.&quot; The history of the NLRA and the secret ballot show otherwise. 

One of the great ironies here is that in countries like Mexico where union organizers have more legitimate fears of retaliation, the unions have demanded and won the right to a secret ballot. Here, however, American unions are busy trying to deny those same rights to workers so when it comes time for threats or retaliation they will know who you are, how you voted and where you live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David S writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;The problem with a secret ballot is that the employer is given the opportunity to harass and fire workers before the vote occurs.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, not legally.  Taking an adverse employment action against any employee for exercising his right to join, or not join, a union violates the National Labor Relations Act. The law already addresses this issue.  If the potential for pre-vote harassment is your real concern, then you should be lobbying for better enforcement or greater punishment of offenders &#8212; not stripping employees of a secret ballot. </p>
<p>In contrast, a secret ballot makes it far more difficult to retaliate.  Strip the secret ballot away, then you might as well wear a bullseye on your back when you vote in a union election or are asked to sign a card. </p>
<p>Finally, I did not put &#8220;words in your mouth&#8221; when I traced the history of the secret ballot in union elections.  You previously claimed that I offered &#8220;no reason to believe that card check would lead to intimidation of workers by organizers.&#8221; The history of the NLRA and the secret ballot show otherwise. </p>
<p>One of the great ironies here is that in countries like Mexico where union organizers have more legitimate fears of retaliation, the unions have demanded and won the right to a secret ballot. Here, however, American unions are busy trying to deny those same rights to workers so when it comes time for threats or retaliation they will know who you are, how you voted and where you live.</p>
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