Smoking Gun? Most Gunwalker Guns Targets of Ban Efforts, but Not Wanted by Cartels
On March 30, the 30th anniversary of the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan, Jim Brady, who sustained a debilitating head wound in the attack, and his wife, Sarah, came to Capitol Hill to push for a ban on the controversial “large magazines.” Brady, for whom the law requiring background checks on handgun purchasers is named, then met with White House press secretary Jay Carney. During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.
“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”
In the meeting, she said, Obama discussed how records get into the system and what can be done about firearms retailers. Her husband specifically brought up the proposed ban on large magazine clips, and she noted that even former vice president Dick Cheney had suggested that some restrictions on the clips might make sense.
“He just laughed,” Sarah Brady said approvingly of the president. Both she and her husband, she emphasized, had absolute confidence that the president was committed to regulation.
Washington Post April 11, 2011
Sarah Brady had every reason to believe that President Obama was zealously committed to turning the tide of more liberal weapons laws sweeping the nation.
While more states than ever were adopting concealed carry laws, shooting sports such as cowboy action shooting, IDPA, and three-gun competitions were surging in popularity, and ammunition and gun companies were unable to meet the explosive demand, the Bradys knew that President Obama would do nearly anything to impose stringent gun control laws.
They only had to look to his past.
In 1996, Obama filled out a candidate questionnaire while running for the Illinois state Senate, in which he supported state initiatives banning the manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns, and the ownership of “assault weapons.”
While a state senator in Illinois in 2004, he voted against Senate Bill 2165, which asserted a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions with handguns despite local ordinances. The bill passed 38-20, with Obama voting against the right for citizens to defend themselves in their own homes.
Time and again throughout his career, including at the 2008 Democratic primary debate in Philadelphia and the 2008 Democratic primary debate in Las Vegas, Obama betrayed an interest in closing down “unscrupulous gun dealers.” He created and believed in a boogeyman, a vile caricature of the small businessmen he decided were scapegoats for the problem of inner city violence. This, even though he knew criminals used straw purchasers that acquired the bulk of firearms in crime.
Most damningly, Obama was a director of the far-left Joyce Foundation from 1996-2004, when the group plotted to undermine the Second Amendment:
During Obama’s tenure, the Joyce Foundation board planned and implemented a program targeting the Supreme Court. The work began five years into Obama’s directorship, when the Foundation had experience in turning its millions into anti-gun “grassroots” organizations, but none at converting cash into legal scholarship.
The plan’s objective was bold: the judicial obliteration of the Second Amendment.
Joyce’s directors found a vulnerable point. When judges cannot rely upon past decisions, they sometimes turn to law review articles. Law reviews are impartial, and famed for meticulous cite-checking. They are also produced on a shoestring. Authors of articles receive no compensation; editors are law students who work for a tiny stipend.
The plot ultimately failed, but the die was cast; Obama showed his intent to undermine U.S. gun laws, whether ethically or otherwise.
Fast forward to near midnight, December 2010, in the desert in Arizona north of the Mexican border. Shot through the abdomen during a firefight with Mexican bandits, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry dies in Peck Canyon. Four suspects are arrested while a fifth evades capture. At least two AK-pattern rifles found at the crime scene are traced back to Operation Fast and Furious.
In January of 2011, ATF whistleblowers came forward and exposed the multi-agency plot, a conspiracy that involved the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, Treasury, and State. More than 2,020 firearms had been “walked” from gun shops acting under orders from ATF agents through a network of straw purchasers known to the Department of Justice to the Sinaloa drug cartel in Mexico. Operation Fast and Furious is just one of ten alleged gun-walking operations run by the federal government in five states that may have run tens of thousands of weapons to narco-terrorists.
Mexican Attorney General Marisela Morales has stated that at least 200 Mexican citizens have been murdered with firearms that the Obama administration pushed over the border; other unofficial estimates suggest that 300+ murders have been committed with guns “walked” by the Obama administration.
The question, then as now, is “why”?
Why would the White House, Senate-confirmed cabinet-level appointees, and other administration appointees conduct such a high-risk operation?
Perhaps the answer exists in the “smoking guns” themselves.





Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t Reagan shot with a revolver? If so, why are there shooting victims of that incident campaigning for limited round capacity in guns? It makes my head spin.
Yes. To be exact, with a cheap, short-barreled .22 rimfire revolver similar to that used in 1968 by Sirhan B. Sirhan to murder Robert Kennedy. Reagan’s would-be killer used a form of “exploding” bullet, apparently loaded with some form of pyrotechnic charge to theoretically enhance its wounding effect. Such bullets are, by the way, illegal for commercial sale, so where he got them from is a good question.
Some other “fun facts”;
1. The FN 5.7 x 28mm round may be a soft armor-vest defeater in its (restricted) AP bullet form, but otherwise it’s a relatively weak round. Its ballistics are almost precisely those of the .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire cartridge, which has less muzzle energy that the old standard .38 Special 158 grain round nose lead bullet “police” load. This makes it about as effective as a .32 ACP. I would also point out that if you can live with this power level, .22 WMRF ammunition is much cheaper per box than 5.7 x 28mm centerfire is.
2. While the TNW .50 weapon is a copy of the Browning M2 Heavy Barrel heavy machine gun, it is semi-automatic only, like the Barrett rifle. It also weigh 65 pounds empty, minus its mount (tripod for ground, pedestal on a vehicle). While it would certainly be lethal on vehicles, and deadly against low flying helicopters (if you could work the trigger fast enough), so would a plain old 7.62 x 51mm M-60 squad machine gun on a bipod. Which is much cheaper on the black market, especially in Mexico. And it only weighs 25 pounds fully loaded with a 250-round belt.
cheers
eon
If you make your reloads adding in a few easily available chemicals will net you and “exploding” or “burning” round
Stay with it Mr.Owens … this is good stuff. Things are getting clearer by the day.
I still think money is the motive. Surely the 2nd amendment is one political issue among others. It is not central or crucial. Politicians milk political issues by taking positions, striking poses and talking. How many votes are there in embarrassing gun retailers? Why take such big risks for such small progress on a minor issue? But money is central and crucial. Chicago politicians are always short of money. Sinaloa criminals have lots of money. I suspect that in 2008 something happened between Obama’s team and the Sinaloa people. Later he felt he had to do something big for Sinaloa out of gratitude, and in hope for the future friendship, and in fear lest evidence reach the public from the Sinaloa side. So why has he had no fund-raising luck so far this year? Perhaps, like criminals through the ages, the drug sellers are stupid selfish ingrates. They think that whatever Obama has done for them they could have got more cheaply elsewhere. The best way to test the money theory of motivation is to check the claims some have made that the Sinaloa cartel has got better treatment from the Obama administration than the other cartels. If all the cartels have been treated equally then the money motive looks less convincing. Is it true that only Sinaloa members have been given “Get out of gaol free” cards from the US government? is it true that Zeta cartel areas are raided by US forces but not Sinaloa areas? Is it true that only Sinaloa areas received the guns?
“Is it true that only Sinaloa areas received the guns?”
No. One operation which has received little attention is that alleged to have been coordinated out of the Houston ATF Field Division. In fact, Houston is the source of the greatest number of American civilian market firearms seized in Mexico. The weapons found at the murder scene of ICE agent Jaime Zapata (carried out by the Zetas) came from Texas, not Arizona.
The motive was not money, it was disarmament of the American people. Obama thinks our rights come from laws and that if he changes the law he can disarm us. He is wrong. No law can take our rights away because our rights do not come from the constitution or any amendment thereto, or any law other than natural law. If Obama can take away the law of gravity, perhaps he has a chance. But not until then.
The scope of this lawless disregard expands by the day.
In regards specifically to the political motives and radical agenda behind creation and execution of project Gunwalker Hitler said it best:
“It is convenient to have a system of laws where everyone is a criminal.”
Only tyrants and traitors can commit treason like this, only tyranny has the stench of the big lie. And only people of the same ilk, ones who harbor such hatefulness for Liberty, for America, have the will and capacity to conjure up an entire narrative, replete with murder and blood in order to frame millions of Americans as the villains. When it is they, the very villain’s themselves who are guilty of all these crimes.
It is the astounding dichotomy of tyranny and those who foist it to come up with lying contradictions so outlandish they become believable, as long as the bald truth remains behind the fig leaf of stealth usurpation and unholy federal power.
This is a slippery slope, a deadly precipice to balance upon. It has the certain probability of backfiring upon the conspirators, along with talking everyone with them into the pits of revolution. There is always the chance enough folks will wake up and revolt via peaceful redress, but one things certain, these vermin and traitors infest every branch of our government. They are akin to a disease. A very bad disease, one that has the potential to kill its host in the process of eradication.
It begs the question if Gunwalker is the revelation of how far obama et all are willing to go to obtain the tyranny of absolute power, what high crimes have they certainly orchestrated in the quest for destruction of our Liberty that remain hidden.
We are in for a fight.
These people will never give up the power and, the wealth they have stolen, the tyranny they have acquired.
I say lets win!
You have to ask yourself are you ready? Because this tyranny is coming.
The last tyrant of America was defeated by III Percent of the people.
The scope of this lawless disregard expands by the day.
In regards specifically to the political motives and radical agenda behind creation and execution of project Gunwalker Hitler said it best:
“It is convenient to have a system of laws where everyone is a criminal.”
Only tyrants and traitors can commit treason like this, only tyranny has the stench of the big lie. And only people of the same ilk, ones who harbor such hatefulness for Liberty, for America, have the will and capacity to conjure up an entire narrative, replete with murder and blood in order to frame millions of Americans as the villains. When it is they, the very villain’s themselves who are guilty of all these crimes.
It is the astounding dichotomy of tyranny and those who foist it to come up with lying contradictions so outlandish they become believable, as long as the bald truth remains behind the fig leaf of stealth usurpation and unholy federal power.
This is a slippery slope, a deadly precipice to balance upon. It has the certain probability of backfiring upon the conspirators, along with talking everyone with them into the pits of revolution. There is always the chance enough folks will wake up and revolt via peaceful redress, but one things certain, these vermin and traitors infest every branch of our government. They are akin to a disease. A very bad disease, one that has the potential to kill its host in the process of eradication.
It begs the question if Gunwalker is the revelation of how far obama et all are willing to go to obtain the tyranny of absolute power, what high crimes have they certainly orchestrated in the quest for destruction of our Liberty that remain hidden.
We are in for a fight.
These people will never give up the power and, the wealth they have stolen, the tyranny they have acquired.
I say lets win!
You have to ask yourself are you ready? Because this tyranny is coming.
The last tyrant of America was defeated by III Percent of the people.
“The best way to test the money theory of motivation is to . . . .” apply the simplest elements of logic—we’re not talkin’ pricey things like missiles and cannon; so that, buying mere firearms, buying them high and unable then, to sell them high enough to turn a profit, is exactly counter to your “for profit” arguments.
And further, sure, while “Chicago politicians are always short of money.”, they do not feel short, just a few tens of thousands of $, rather would it be tens of millions of dollars.
Also, I had to laugh at this strange presentation in this serious forum; to me, the: “the drug sellers are stupid selfish ingrates.” is quite comical, except that, if anything at all can be said about “the drug sellers” and the drug makers, it is not that, they “are stupid selfish ingrates.”, for, they are far worse in murder and corruption and vice of every sort.
The foolishness in the “the drug sellers are stupid selfish ingrates.” is a kind of mis-apprehension nature of evidence which is often to be heard of those who may be attempting some religious sentiment and is successfully countered by pointing out the logic which says that, one is not bound to suffer condemnation for his being a bad person (even the ungrateful drug-dealers, and even though, in sense of retribution, we might like to know that, some dirty so-and-so was thoroughly punished with all that which G0D might be able to throw at him, and yet again) but rather is adjudication to turn upon what the record may show concerning standing of relationship between that one and The Lord—that is the determinative gravamen in exoneration, or in condemnation.
As “to confound” attempts a kind of mixing of immiscible substances say, pepper and salt, and when done in the mind cannot but result in confusion, while these elements confounding rather simple things stemming from a failure of correct apprehension fo weight of evidence and kind or quality of evidence and returning conclusions then, bespeaking something of false relationship, are not well done, the way in which they are done and are presented do manifest in “Anonymous”, a mind which in the same moment appears as both cunning and confused, . . . the diversionary and otherwise weak nature of the anonymous statements are also, similar in kind to the weak reasoning which is sometimes put forward by those who seek justification for the man-boy love association, . . .
I still think money is the motive. Surely the 2nd Amendment is one political issue among others. It is not crucial or central. Politicians milk political issues by taking positions, striking poses, and talking. Why take such big risks for a small step forward on a minor issue? How many votes are there in embarassing gun retailers? But money is central and crucial. Chicago politicians are always short of money. Sinaloa criminals have lots of money. I suspect that in 2008 the Obama team had reasons to be grateful. Then in office he felt he had to do something in order to display gratitude, and in hope for the future friendship, and in fear that the public be informed from the Sinaloa side. So why has he had no luck this year in fundraising? Perhaps the drug sellers, like criminals through the ages, are stupid, selfish ingrates. Perhaps they think that whatever Obama got them they could have got elsewhere for less money.
The best way to test the theory that money is the motive is to check the claims some have made that the US government treats Sinaloa better than it treats the other drug cartels. Is it true that only Sinaloa members were given “Get Out Of Gaol Free” card by US authorities?, that only Sinaloa controlled areas received the guns? and that Zeta areas have been raided by US forces but not Sinaloa areas? If all the cartels have been treated equally it lowers the chance of money as motive, but if there is a sweat-heart deal between Sinaloa and the Denocrats then the money theory looks stronger.
As for the means of money transfer – that is not hard. Money can walk easier than guns. We have means motive and opportunity for both the 2nd Amendment theory and the money theory.
It’s much easier & safer to loot the American taxpayer. Look at Solyndra: take $500 million from the Treasury, give it to a company and have the company’s owners “donate” to your “campaign.” When politicians retire, federal election laws allow them to keep the money donated to their campaigns. This is a much safer scam than working with a violent drug cartel.
I doubt they need to pay income tax on anything they make while it is still “campaign money” (and are there limitations to what they can “invest” in? like “cattle futures”?). I have no idea if the money is taxable when they retire. Suspect that the money can be put somewhere tax free. They, after all, make the rules.
Obama approached John Lott while they were both employed at the University of Chicago and remarked, “I don’t think people should own guns.”
Then he turned around and walked away.
I have said this before, and i’ll say it again. Criminals don’t leave their weapons at crime scenes. They take them. The simple fact that these weapons are being left at scenes is so they will be found. Cartel criminals that are doing this must have some agreement with higher ups somewhere in our government. Look for the payoff. What is our governemnt doing to help these
cartel thugs?
My personal guess is that the Obama administration (which has been all about not prosecuting legal marijuana users) has agreed to crack down on legal marijuana as part of their deal to help the cartels.This is rather simplistic, but I,m sure there a lot more going on than just that.
That is one piece of the puzzle that hasn’t fallen into place yet. I wonder how they ever expected to retrieve these weapons apart from making an arrest.
I could understand the bad guys dropping their weapons near a crime scene in an attempt to flee when being pursued but when authorities roll up on a bunch of bullet ridden bodies with no bad guys in sight makes me wonder.
It’s starting to make sense. If you recover one weapon from a crime scene you can trace it back to the FFL, from there authorities can find out how many other weapons were sold to the same straw buyer…
Smart crooks used to drop their guns before DNA tracing and before the police learned how to lift prints off “impossible” surfaces, so I missed that.
Gunwalker is a bigger, more serious scandal than Watergate, Iran-Contra, and Bill Clinton’s blowjob combined. Many lives have been lost (including American
citizens) already, and there is more carnage to come. Apparently all of this to “justify” further attacks on the U.S. Bill Of Rights. If Holder, Hillary, Obama,
Janet Napalitano etc. are not guilty of treason in this affair, that word no longer has any meaning.
What about asking and supporting the Mexican authorities to indict US government officials?
I’m pretty sure there is something in the books of law of Mexico about helping Narcos to smuggle weapons inside mexico.
Yes! Somebody is asking the common sense questions. Who would spend twice as much for a civilian semi-auto rifle from the north, when the full-auto military stuff is available from the south? There are real AK’s, G3′s, and M16′s available cheap from Central and South America.
The descriptors that evidently cannot be stated are TREASON, MURDER of US AGENTS, MURDER of MEXICAN citizens (probably others as well and maybe some US, we don’t yet know about) and CONSPIRACY to commit ALL OF THE ABOVE. These a the minimum charges. One can readily see why all involved are ready to disappear this from the public discourse and discussion.
The direct target of their efforts was the undermining of the US constitution and Bill of Rights. THE VERY FOUNDATIONS OF OUR COUNTRY.
Excellent points, that I’ve made several times on various blogs. The cartels have bigger navies and air forces than most countries. I would hazard a guess that the US boarder is the most tightly controlled of Mexico’s boarders. The cartels could import select fire weapons from anywhere in the world, along with the mortars, rpg’s and heavy machine guns they buy, for far, far less than the price in the US.
The Zetas, who most blame for the bulk of the violence have at their core ex-spec operations people from throughout Latin America who were trained and equipped with US “war on drugs” money. They no doubt have deep ties to the military organizations throughout Latin America as sources of supply.
Long guns account for a tiny percentage of murders in the US. The reason is prety obvious. Walking down the street with an AR/AK is going to attract a lot of attention from the police. Since most criminals, including gangbangers, don’t want to get caught long guns are not the weapon of choice. “Assault” rifles are only attractive to law abiding competitive shooters not criminals.
Please change ‘large capacity’ magazines to the correct term– ‘standard capacity’. Thanks.
Suppression of the crime is amazing and like nothing we have ever seen in the history of the United States. If you look at the capture of arms in Mexico I can see in some of the photos that the selectors are definitely military. I don’t think ATF and the Justice Department were straw buying full automatics from the local gun stores. Which is why the lower level criminal element and not the cartel would traffic in the DOJ smuggled arms.
Third Motive possibility? There is a draft “Arm Trade Tready” (ATT) making its way through the UN, set to surface next summer. It requires countries to control small arms (registration?). What better way to get moderate senators to vote to approve such a treaty than to have flooded the countries south of us with guns (under the radar) and then cite the flood as an imperative to approve a gun control treaty. An ATT would then be used as a tool to erode the second amendment. If that was the motive, it is not working.
Ask your liberal friends or relatives what they know about all of this F&F business, as I have, and you will realize that they know absolutely nothing of it. “Never heard of it.” “What is it?” I think that the most vile criminals in the whole episode are the news media types who have spiked the entire story. The Obama administration will get away with this travesty, and am convinced that they will, not because of their cover-up skills but because of the intentional silence of the so-called news media gatekeepers. Co-conspirator Brian Williams in an orange jumpsuit wuold please me.
They’re a lot of Obama supporters who have no clue what this story is all about.
If impeachment proceedings were to take place in 2012 (election year) these ill informed individuals will get blindsided and the democrats will say it’s a political power play by republicans.
Of course the state run media will run with that.
The fact that the old dinosaur media is not touching this with a ten ft pole (CBS excepted) is because they know full well know it’s all true. Because if it were not, they would be screaming bloody murder and defending their guy all day long.
How many times does Obumbles have to say “fundamentally TRANSFORM the United States of America?
What does he have to do to prove that this is one of his most prominent core values?
How does he convince people that he truly hates the United States of America?
It’s all there for you to observe and listen to.
Many spoke and wrote about his 2nd Amendment crusade before his coronation. And many are preparing themselves for the fallout from these Bolsheviks.
Some recent statistics here:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/Self-Reported-Gun-Ownership-Highest-1993.aspx
Any wonder why he doesn’t want the unwashed masses to have any means of resistance?
Obama is the major influence in my decision to build an arsenal.
“Mr Caps
Obama is the major influence in my decision to build an arsenal.”
22 years ago I migrated to the US after surviving the war in El Salvador and I swore-off guns forever. Just wanted to find myself a quiet place where I could live in peace.
Last week, I bought myself a handgun.
Freedom is not free
“Freedom is not free”
Welcome home.
A nice, ugly, black, scary Saiga 12 guage with a 20 rd magazine is the best zombie eliminator, but a handgun is nice to protect yourself until you get to it.
Hand gun is really great to fight your way back to your MBR. Great to hear about a legal immigrant buying a handgun. Exercize your rights along with us! Continue building your arsenal.
Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787
Lets see how willing folks are to accept Marshal Law in everything but name.
2012 is coming on fast and furious. obama is not about to allow something as insignificant as a Constitutional election get in the way of his hope and change. Gunwalker is a part of an entire strategy of a narrative, read excuse, of painting broad swaths of America who cherish their Liberty to bear arms as moral deficient in order to define the politics of creating tyranny as something else long enough to get away with it. Except there is a duality to the tactics involved, a fall back option B, a tactic itself used by tyrants tried and true through history, the vehicle of painting the same Americans as criminals who are the usurpers that must be stopped, the excuse to declare Marshal Law, in order to rescind all checks and balances of a Constitutional Republic so Tyranny can be quickly securely take its place.
Every indication, every revelation, every ounce of truth that is pried out of the tyrants and their agenda involved in this unquestionable tyranny called Gunwalker leads to one reality, we have a top down, I’m saying from obama on down, a coupe from the inside out.
The most powerful positions in our government, all, have been hijacked by these psychopaths and radicals. Lying and subterfuge is part and parcel of these tyrants way. There is no compunction or reservation in committing such trespasses on the rule of law nor oath of office for these vermin. There is nothing they fear, except the very guns, in the very hands of the people, We The People, who they are attempting to frame as the villains.
Worst of all, they have willing help from every quadrant of America. From the 5th column of the legacy media, academia, law enforcement, the judicial, regulatory and elective branch of OUR government. All orchestrated from the seat of corruption of the usurpation of the power of the executive.
I wonder how many LEO’s and Active Duty Military, for the sake of their PAYCHECKS, would shade their eyes from the light of the Constitution and the Second Amendment attached thereto to run roughshod over citizens of this nation? That is the ultimate test.
They’ll follow orders. If they were actually being used as instruments of oppression, over time they would begin to resist orders or even mutiny, but it would take a long time. Maybe, just maybe, military officers would put the thought in and make a conclusion that an order was unlawful and resist carrying it out, but so long as the officers give orders, the bulk of the men will follow them. There is even less likelihood of LEO command resisting oppressive orders. From Lt. or so on up they’re either political appointees or want to be political appointees in most places, so it would be the people giving the appointments who are giving the orders. Slowly over time they may begin to resist.
This video explains it all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YtBxoQEkZ0
Check out this link http://therevolutionroad.proboards.com This is a forum of patriots that are dedicated to holding the “top down” accountable. They are involved with the veteran defenders of america and are arranging a march on D.C. 11 Nov. 11 & 16 Dec 11. If you can’t make it to D.C. march at your local Federal Courthouse. Call to Action and Answering the call of our Forefathers.
Paul
III
When are the legal citizens of this country going to finally say enough is enough and demand that the criminals in washington District of Criminals be prosecuted for treason, murder and a host of other crimes against humanity ie: killing of thousands of people in foreign countries that we have no business being on their soil, stealing from the american public with their so called taxes and fees, accepting bribes from lobbyist, working at a corporation that wants certain laws passed then getting appointed to an office that will allow them to get the laws passed, poisoning the citizens with gmo foods, vaccines and poisons in the water? Makes me wanna puke.
That UN agreement in the works is about registration of all firearms. The Wiemar government, in an attempt to control the rising street violence between nazi and communist gangs, passed a similar law. Hitler was reportedly thrilled at this, even though it degraded the arming of his own street gangs. The reason was that he expected to take control of those registration files sooner or later. Which of course he did.
Elected, enabled (made dictator), he was then able to selectively confiscate –legally, by edict –guns from the neighborhoods which he knew might oppose future planned nazi actions.
The final confiscation program in Jewish urban neighborhoods preceded Kristallnacht by a mere several days.
I know i’m not alone, in getting those whiffs of mal odor from this administration. I think it gets in the breeze every time one of those 45 czars opens his or her Third Reich instruction manual.
…No wonder the president laughed about his plot to advance gun control “under the radar.”
It begs the question having been caught red handed in such treason and conspiracy, just what else under the radar is happening?
I agree completely. I just got a box of .223 that was loaded on 10 round clips, and when I tried to load my 30 round Saiga magazines with them I couldn’t get them to slide off the clips. I say get rid of all of those useless high-capacity clips!
Oh, they meant magazines? Never mind then…
+1 Larry! The clips are pain when I’m trying to load my 100 round magazine for my AR. The solution is to have my 8 year old son help me strip the cartriges off of the clips. My son’s 30 round magazine for his 10/22 is not as troublesome since it’s 22 long rifle which come in 500 round boxes. I could go on about the wife’s tactical 20 gauge shotgun with a magazine extension, but you get the point…What would the buffoons from WaPo, Brady Inc. and BO land think of us?
You gotta love these people, Holder, Hillary, and the butch bull dike Napoliatano, head of Home Land Security: they know nothing, they say nothing, they authorized nothing. We didn’t run no guns into Mexico, no. But these are the people who claim a nationalized health care is the only way to go to rationalize health care costs and bend the cost curve down. Bend over and grab your ankles, boys and girls. They’re all lawyers, yet Hillary, the Secretary of State, during oversight hearings can’t even venture a legal opinion on the legality of running guns to Mexican drug cartels, but Obama care’s individual mandate is constitutional under apparently the unlimited all expansive commerce clause. Obviously we have a Potemkin President who hasn’t got a clue where the rule of law begins or ends, except for what passes for self serving situational necessity at the moment.
Just exactly how far out of touch can these people be? Do they really think “WE” will give up our weapons?, do they really think “OUR” Military will carry out orders to disarm citizens, Do they really think local police forces will go “House To House” to disarm citizens?
Anonymous -above, has a point. We are in a fight, and if we do not get “O” and his ilk out -then an “Uncivil War” becomes more plausible. Well then so be it! Check your mags and your “6″
I’m an avid reader here and at Sipsey, but not a gun owner or enthusiast. So why am I so pro-2A? Because it utterly chills me to consider the question, “Why would a government want to take guns from law-abiding citizens?”
It’s abundantly clear that Obama is a lazy, golf-playing hack who doesn’t like presidentin’. The job isn’t what he thought it would be. This has me wondering why he’s running so hard for re-election. Sickeningly, I realize: he wants to be a dictator. That’s really his intention. I hate it when he makes me think in such a tin-foil-hatted way, but I can’t help it.
You can’t help it because it is the truth. As of today, there’s 18 no-brainer need-to-do-now jobs and economy-helping bills passed thru the House and languishing without action in Harry Reid’s senate.
Meanwhile, Obama’s tour is featuring his savage attacks on the ”do-nothing congress”.
Of course, the part of the congress doing nothing is HIS part, the senate. But he feels no need to avoid outrageously obvious lies about congress being responsible for the OWS movement, as well as everything else frozen, stuck, and gone haywire.
That’s because his zombies don’t need the truth –they just need talking-point slogans bumpersticky. The ”do-nothing congress” slogan is enabling the executive orders, three or four momentous of which he issued just in the last week or so, while baldly promising more and more of the same.
So, there’s your sickened feeling that he wants to be a dictator –he IS a dictator, already –just flexing in front of the mirror so far, waiting to see if anyone is gonna start trying to stop him.
Remember this? Police disarm an elderly lady. She was subsequently robbed at gunpoint, in the period of chaos after hurricane Katrina.
I am sorry,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Qx0cTze0M
Forgot the link: http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/list/index
Must get more coffee. . .
More on that ‘sick feeling’ –it may be a ‘conquered population’ feeling.
He’s doing what he was raised to do and what his handlers put him there to do. The only thing that explains what we know of his history is that he is a Red Diaper Baby. He has his lie about his thoroughly “white” middle class grandmother and all that but no thoroughly “white, middle class” family lived they way they did. Don’t know what they were doing before the move to Harry Bridges’ Seattle but their lifestyle and associations were very far left and no “white, middle class” family of those days would have tolerated their daughter’s behavior. It isn’t coincidental that they then moved to Hawaii at a time when that was not easily or cheaply done. Nor is it coincidental that Harry Bridges’ Longshoremen controlled Hawaii. For those of you not familiar with him, Harry’s last appearance was on the balcony at the Kremlin. only committed lefties would have allowed BHO’s mother the associations she had in either SEA or HI. In ’61, a “white, middle class” family whose daughter became pregnant by a black Kenyan would have been sent to her aunt in Montana for a nine month visit and the baby would have been put up for adoption. And it was far from impossible for anyone with means to get an abortion.
I don’t know where he was born but he was raised in Indonesia at a time when that country was facing a communist inspired and backed revolutionary movement. Then back in Hawaii he was mentored by a notorious communist and racial radical. Somebody made the arrangments for him to go to top rank schools and we have no idea who paid for it or what he did. There’s not even anybody coming forward to say, “I knew him when.” He is a “made man” and his mission is the “fundamental transformation” of the US. So far, a lot of his mission has been accomplished.
I figure it’s a two-fer. Oblame-o and his Chicago friends have been taking a cut in the drug money to protect suppliers since taking office. Maybe, every administration has done it. Cash is King- the border is still wide-open, isn’t it? Like winning the lottery every week, Pancho. “Ah, Cisco!”
Somebody (a carteleon) was about to blow the whistle (payoffs too high?) so the Chicago boys did what they do best: dropped weapons (thousands) at the crime scene to divert attention from themselves while making the Cartel-ners the bad guys. Look, they’re rich, but still stupid beaners. What not to like?
In the process, folks at home pay for clinging to their guns and bibles. If you can take away their fundamental right, great, if you merely limit their right, that’s ok too. Either way, drugs will flow and the cash will follow. The last thing you need are armed citizens who’ll muck things up. Say, a father whose crack-addled daughter leads him to her ‘dealer’, who then leads to his ‘dealer’, and so on- leaving bodies in the ‘wake’.
Barack Obama supported the Washington DC gun ban. (I believe, under that law, you could keep guns in your home but they had to be disassembled.)
In June of 2008, District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court overturned that law, at which point candidate Obama briefly (very briefly) acknowledged the citizen’s second amendment rights to bear arms.
Obama’s flipping in reaction to the decision in Heller was done in keeping with his vote pandering strategies at that time and trying to sound like a “constitutional scholar”.
The entire scenario was one glaring example of Obama’s duplicity and hypocrisy.
It is very likely that “we’re working on it” told to the Bradys meant he (and cronies like Holder) were using federal government resources to discredit gun sellers in phony operations like Fast and Furious.
In questioning Janet Napolitano yesterday, Representative Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) was incredulous when Big Sis claimed ignorance of the various gunrunning operations and said she’d had no contact with the DOJ following the killing of Brian Terry, one of her own border agents.
Janet tried her best to look indignant at Jason’s question and responded that she didn’t talk to Holder following Terry’s assassination since the justice department’s own Inspector General was looking into F&F.
We already know that this DOJ Inspector General (that everyone and their brother, from Obama on down, keeps referencing as “looking into” this mess) is a Holder confidante and crony.
Smellier and smellier.
“So: Is it plausible that Operation Fast and Furious just happened to focus on selling the very weapons anti-gun groups want to ban south of the border with the intent that they would be used to commit murder? Knowing that cartels can either get such weapons at lower cost and less risk in Mexico, or don’t need them at all?”
Just one of them amazing coinkidinks.
Less than a week later, the straw buyers — all of modest means — began flocking to Andre Howard’s shop. Operation Fast and Furious was off to the races.
I think some of Barack’s $800+ billion in “stimulus” was used here.
Prominent anti gun politicians who had been aggressively promoting the “90-percent lie” were in a position to use agencies under their control to carry out a gunwalking plot that planted the evidence to support their contentions.
Gubbmint at work.
They can make guns like alcohol illegal but that will not stop people owning guns. Prohibition did not slow down alcohol one bit and actually made the problem worse.
Some American’s will bend and give up their guns for the peace from being pursued by LEO as criminals.
Some American’s will fight. Obama’s mentor Bill Ayers said once “it may take the death of 25 million American’s to get our policies enacted” It seems that’s the plan.
The question is, will the gun grab collect a few guns here and there over time or all at once, citizens with trumped up charges can be stripped of rights (guns, voting etc) one by one easy but a massive gun grab would most likely start a guerilla war against the federal government which would then declare any gun owners terrorist and then Uncle Sam will use predator drones against Americans in their own country.
It all boils down to how many gun owners are willing to fight and die or at least live under threat of death or prison for the right to bear arms.
Most Americans will simply give them up in order to live a normal life free from government threats.
As for threats from the government I feel more threatened by the current government than at any time in my life, I fear my own government here in 2011 and I am almost 60 years old.
I fear my votes, texts and phone calls will be used against me at some future date just because the administration doesn’t like what I’ve said.
That’s scary.
The most likely scenario would be a propaganda campaign that leads to your neighbors turning you in as one of those scary, bitter, gun-clinging people. Then the cops come arrest you for threatening and scaring your neighbors and you can go to jail or give up your evil weapons.
Commonly done after the nazis came to power and confiscated private guns: any influential established citizen householder not demonstrably an ardent nazi, was vulnerable to a visit from the authorities, professing anonymous tips (proof by law against verification by evidence rules) and brandishing a writ to search the premises for contraband. During the search, a gun would be found –commonly buried in the back yard so as to preserve the state’s option of letting the citizen off the hook later if so desired –and the citizen would be arrested and taken into custody. Release usually followed interrogation, and a point would have been made to the neighborhood. This point, i’d imagine, had far less to do with any rogue neighbor and far more to do with a rogue government wanting everyone to understand that it was indeed a rogue government.
The big gun grab, what will it look like? Think of a nation wide series of Ruby Ridges and Waco’s.
Think of the facts that a right can be taken away for our own good.
The rights to own firearms, free speech, even slavery bans can be over turned.
Once we loose just one right the rest are up for grabs.
If one is not sacred enough to keep then all are in danger of being taken.
Who paid for these guns. Cartels aren’t “stupidly”(word in Obamas vocabulary) enough to pay more than necessary for weapons. & if the cartels did pay for weapons, why have a large quantity of them been abandoned at crime scenes. This corruption may go viral to the Nth degree if some of the NEVER ACCOUNTED FOR OBAMA STIMULUS MONEY was injected on MANY LEVELS of F&F. It would only take millions out of the billions of obama greenbacks to accomplish the Presidents “under the radar” goals on the border. President Chaos & his agenda must be stopped
You can rest assured that the straw buyers were US assets and they were being given government funds to make the purchases. So, you paid for those guns. Fundamentally, the real bad guys wouldn’t be caught dead with US legal semi-automatic weapons and they aren’t stupid enough to pay several hundred dollars for a US gunshop gun when they can buy a black market fully automatice AK for a hundred bucks. People who buy cocaine and heroin by the ton don’t have any trouble getting military weapons by the case.
Somebody needs to swing the hot torch towards the president. It might flush him out. It might cause him to throw people under the bus, wholesale. It might cause him to even turn right, though this would certainly cause a blowout on his left side. Waiting to put some intense pressure on the president will seem Nixonian, dirty tricks, if it occurs late in the campaign season precisely because it is an impeachable situation.
In any event forcing the resident’s hand can only hasten the resolution to this traitorous drama.
The downside is that the democrats might bring an Even Bayh type to the election.
Use the tool PJM put there to spread the word. Hit that share button on the right.
All my weapons were stolen. Honest.
As a resident of Arizona I am deeply disturbed by Fast and Furious. Not only was this a an attempt to undermine the 2nd Amendment, I believe that Arizona was specifically chosen to be the spearhead of this operation to further discredit our state in light of our stance on illegal immigration and because Arizona has a history of “hands off” when it comes to our guns. It’s also noteworthy to mention that we also have an F-rating from the major anti-groups because of our gun laws.
I personally believe that the President, the AG and Janet were all well aware of what was happening and when. I believe that they were simply stupid and they never thought that something like this could backfire.
So more republicans are calling for Eric Holder’s resignation, some calling for a special prosecutor to investigate the DOJ.
Others are expressing concern at Holder’s apparent inability to grasp his own stupid behaviors.
Tiptoeing through the tulips.
Holder has agreed (under God knows what duress) to testify before the judiciary committee, December 8. Five weeks away.
Getting blood out of a turnip.
Since, at the May 3 hearing, “Holder said he had not learned of Operation Fast and Furious until a few weeks before — even though Iowa GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley told TheDC he personally handed Holder an inquiry letter about the scandal months before” and since da boss Obama “…addressed Operation Fast and Furious in an interview on Univision about a month before Holder claims he first learned of the gun-walking program”…
We’d like to see Eric explain that away now, instead of waiting five weeks and giving him more time to craft a new set of lies
It is pretty darn simple. Stand back a speck, squint yours eyes a bit: The only thing these traitors, aka ruling elites, are scared of is the guns we own and the 2nd amendment.
Is there any other reason for them to invest such enormous political capitol, involving the high risk of so many of their ilk inside and out the inner circle of their organized high treason, so many knowing what the strategy and tactics instituted for the singular purpose eventually creating the ruse of a narrative and political justification of disarming the citizenry so they won’t end up with a patriots bullet through their heads due to the tyranny they are hell bent on imposing on better than 300 million people?
Now tell me different and I have some ocean front property to sell you in Arizona.
Author is correct. Ortega in Nicaraugua will sell the Narcos all the guns they want. Colombians (FARC, AUC) can ship guns with the cocaine.
I would think that Holder to be risk adverse bureaucrat. Fast and Furious is high risk program, whatever the motivations.
I hope Issa keeps digging.
Jonathan Alter and the Scandal-Free Obama Administration
Bloomberg.com recently published an article by Jonathan Alter titled, “Obama Miracle Is White House Free of Scandal.” There are very few better examples of liberal obtuseness and evidence they suffer from acute political astigmatism.
Alter, liberal author, liberal columnist, senior editor of Newsweek for 28 years who helped drive that liberal magazine into virtual bankruptcy and its sale for the tidy sum of one dollar, frequent contributor to Al Franken’s liberal Air America which filed for chapter 7 bankruptcy, still appears as a commentator on liberal MSNBC among other liberal MSM and still totally idolizes liberal president Barack Hussein Obama.
Did I mention Jonathan Alter is liberal?
Evidently flummoxed by fellow leftists’ waning support for our failing, flailing chief executive, Alter successfully attempts in his piece on Obama’s miraculous avoidance of scandal, its “scandal-less state,” to be as honest and transparent as the hero he so deeply admires.
“Obama Miracle” would be comical if not for the Halloween-y scariness of its author’s knowing commission of deceptions.
Alter skirts the dirt and completely avoids reference to what is rapidly developing into the most contemptible presidential scandal since Republican president Richard Nixon lied about Watergate and Democrat president Bill Clinton lied under sworn oath.
In fact, Obama’s scandals are far worse than Nixon’s and Clinton’s. They merely lied to protect their sorry arses and to deceive the American people but Nixon was just stupid and Clinton just a congenital liar. Obama, and his henchmen, have not only lied but have cost the country hundreds of millions of dollars and, more reprehensibly, have cost the life of a border patrol agent.
That last, deadly fiasco, the grossly-botched Department of Justice/ATF Fast and Furious gun-running operation, effectively gave some 1500 weapons to Mexican drug cartels to wreak havoc south of our border and to murder agent Brian Terry.
Government and law enforcement agencies often foul up stings like Fast and Furious. What they are not expected to do is what Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder has done, lie and obstruct congressional inquiries into what went wrong.
Jonathan Alter’s reaction to Fast and Furious and its relevance to administration scandals? Fast and Furious? What Fast and Furious? Alter would sooner air Holder’s filthy New Black Panther Party linen!
Either Alter is ignorant, obtuse, Obama’s cover-up point man, or all three.
While praising the president’s honesty, character, and integrity without sourcing any of those debatable attributes, Alter lambastes Republicans for allegedly tarnishing Obama’s reputation and attacks the Obamian favorite whipping network, Fox News, for “manufactured controversies,” also without providing any substantiation.
He criticizes GOP Rep. Darrell Issa’s contentions that Obama’s is “one of the most corrupt administrations” in history, a view predicated mainly on the White House and Justice Department consistently stonewalling on every issue Issa is trying to investigate.
He accuses Fox of manufacturing stories concerning the multitude of Obama’s extremist “policy czars,” those secretive heads of agencies recruited from the leftist fringes and put in place without congressional scrutiny.
Alter knows full well that stonewalling, refusals to cooperate with legally-constituted authorities, is invariably indicative of illegalities and unethical conduct. At the very least, they put the lie to this president’s vaunted, unfulfilled, transparency.
As for Fox, he knows that the only conservative alternative to the liberal mainstream media has exposed far more than just the czar scandals . . . (Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=5842
Either Alter is ignorant, obtuse, Obama’s cover-up point man, or all three.
It’s stunning how liberal pundits and writers manage to frame these arguments, manage to write and speak the words they do.
You’d think the constant dissembling and cognitive dissonance, crafted in support of pre-selected narratives, would give them ulcers, at the very least.
$1 (from Jane Harmon’s now deceased husband) was too much to pay for Newsweek.
Alter is a pure partisan hack. His high profile on the national journo scene is due to the purity and single-minded drive of his partisan hackery. His notoriously bent columns qualify him as infamous rather than famous. He thrives as Joseph Goebbels thrived.