Smile, You’re on Government Camera!
Complaining about the government these days? Take a number — and give them your driver’s license and Social Security number while you’re at it. And don’t forget to smile pretty for the camera.
During the Bush years, the left assured us it was a citizen’s duty to take to the streets to protest American militarism, imperialism, jingoism, and intrusion into one’s private life via the Patriot Act. Left-wing activists attended war protests — many taking buses chartered by far left-wing groups — and others impressed us with their unique fashion sense. They even shut down cargo operations on the West coast.
Ah, those were the days, when protesters had the support of the likes of Hillary Clinton and media outlets with questionable reporting about the actual numbers of protesters involved.
Don’t forget progressive art — for years, George W. Bush was depicted as the Joker, a vampire sucking the life out of Lady Liberty, and with a gun to his head — to name just a few tasteful items. Yes, indeed, one’s First Amendment rights are precious.
Flash forward to 2009. Many Americans, dismayed by the unprecedented growth of government, rising taxes and the wasteful spending that accompanies it, and last but not least a health care plan that is a one-way ticket to socialism, begin to voice their concerns by attending grassroots tea parties and town hall meetings held by elected representatives. A number of these Americans, concerned about the direction in which their nation is headed, are attending such gatherings for the first time.
The following are just a few examples illustrating how this time, the protests aren’t welcome:
- A CNN reporter was openly contemptuous of the tea parties; she was more interested in arguing with attendees and criticizing her cable competition than simply reporting the facts. (Later, her contract was not renewed, but it is not clear if this kind of “reporting” had anything to do with it.)
- CNN and MSNBC hosts and guests used vulgar terminology on the air to describe tea party attendees.
- Town hall attendees are mocked as the “Brooks Brothers” brigade, too well dressed to be sincere, not only by media outlets, but also by Barbara “Call Me Senator” Boxer.
- Democrat strategist Lanny Davis has called for an “outing” of these citizens to “prove” they are on the take, using photographs and other methods of investigation. Yet in 2008, Obama told supporters how his campaign would repel Republican attacks: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” And earlier this year, he told his health care supporters to “get in their [the opposition’s] faces.”
- An anonymously created poster of Obama in Heath Ledger’s Joker makeup with the word “socialism” underneath is denounced as “mean-spirited and dangerous,” not to mention “racist.” Apparently those who worry about racism didn’t worry about Joe Lieberman being depicted in blackface by a liberal blogger.
I suppose I should be surprised by this stunning display of hypocrisy by the left and its servile media, but sadly I’m not.
Perhaps the most egregious example of the new order is this, from the White House website:
There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.
During the days of the Nazi regime, German citizens could never be sure who informants for the Gestapo were:
It could be anyone, your milkman, the old lady across the street, a quiet co-worker, even a schoolboy. As a result, fear ruled the day. Most people realized the necessity of self-censorship and generally kept their mouths shut politically, unless they had something positive to say.
And paranoia in the Soviet Union under Stalin was so bad that in the communal apartments in the cities, “each occupant was a potential informer who might denounce the neighbors in order to take over their coveted space.”
Where are the liberals who protested about the “civil rights violations” of the Patriot Act when it comes to the White House encouraging American citizens to “inform” them of “fishy” information? And aren’t libs at all worried about the provisions in the health care bill that would give government direct, real-time access to personal bank accounts and medical records?
Is this the Hopenchange we were promised? If so, I want a refund.
This, combined with Helen Thomas’s observation that no previous administration had ever tried to exert so much control over the press is disturbing.
The speed of our descent into fascism is absolutely breathtaking.
Obambi apart from being the BOGUS POTUS and a Mohammedan is a classic Narcissist just like Mohammad himself was too.
Narcissists need to be in CONTROL and this can be seen in everything Obambi has done so far . They are also very good at excercising that control by telling you EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR and making promises which they have NO INTENTION OF KEEPING its all about getting the CONTROL. They will blatantly LIE as Obambi has done and been caught doing CONSTANTLY but because of their sickness not even know that they are doing so. They are incapable of accepting that they might EVER be wrong and so never able to apologies. Just look at Obambi squirming in GATESGATE in my opinion he was SHOCKED that people did not accept exactly what he said and he NEVER apologised for saying it just tried to pass the buck to the American people its was THEIR fault not his.
Narcissists when thwarted get nasty and you can see Obambi is doing it now. America is on a very fast slippery slope to TOTALITARIAN rule and there will soon be blood on the streets if there isn’t already. But of course the NARCISSIST in Chief who has roused his left wing ‘libtard’ bully rabble will blame it all on everyone and anyone else can’t be him he is PERFECT. Who knows where this will end because the RACIST BLACKS 96% of whom voted for the Obamanation will riot for sure if he is deposed . The great UNIFIER as he thinks of himself is tearing America apart its already well on the way.
Certainly the great President Obama is America’s staunchest advocate of free speech, but mind you, free speech only goes so far.
Like it doesn’t justify anyone yelling theatre in a crowded firehouse. Or vise versa. Or bad mouthing the leader of the free world.
I agree with the President. And, as a patriotic American will carry out his directive: If I hear or receive anything fishy, it is my duty as an American to report it. Which, by the way, I already did.
My Uncle Jerry, who drinks a lot of beer, is organizing something he calls “Sons of Liberty groups”.
I don’t know if it’s legal, but they’re using the internet to contact people all over this country to become members of this citizen security organization designed to protect unpatriotic scallywags who speak against President Obama’s exciting new health care reform bill at Town Meetings.
The website Obama listed that I used to report him was easy and simple. And worked like a charm.
Uncle Jerry’s justification was something I hadn’t heard of so I assumed he probably made it up.
But then I heard that In St. Louis, among other placees, patriotic union members were goaded into a scuffle or two at the aforementioned town meetings. And dimwitted Republicans are using that as an excuse to organize.
Totally innocent, these law abiding union members, who are not affiliated with organized crime in any way in any major eastern U.S. cities, are being scapegoated by nasty Republicans who can’t fight with words, but have to resort to violins at these town meetings. Did I say violins? I meant violence.
Uncle Jerry, who is also a hunter and gun collector, today was visited I guess by government law enforcement agents. I spoke to his wife, Joan, another Republican who says first they confiscated his guns without giving Jerry a receipt (like who cares, who needs guns)? Then they drove off with Uncle Jerry in a big black car headed, they said, for their nearest big city, Springfield, Illinois. Apparently, he’s now at some federal facility deciding whether to sign to a sworn statement of loyalty to the President. And as a supporter of health reform.
Incidentally, when Uncle Jerry phoned home, his wife told me that the rube is considering not signing the loyalty statement. Said if he signs it, he’ll be home tomorrow morning. If not, he’s an idiot because they said they’d take him to some reeducation center outside of Washington DC at some place that starts with a Q. Quan something. I don’t know and I don’t care. I hope he learns his lesson. Disagree with ObamaCare and you could be up the creek. After all, he is our President.
Organize people like my brain dead Uncle is doing will only lead to problems. Uncle jerry is in extra trouble because I heard him call Obama scum in front of their children. I think it’s a federal offence to take Obama’s name in vain.
These un-American Republicans and Libatarians are in for some big trouble. Because Obama fully intends to use his power to achieve right thinking agreement.
By informing, I’m getting an Obama silver bracelet in the mail plus the incentive of $100 cold hard cash for every subversive Republican I turn in. They’re easy to find here in LaCrosse where I live.Lots of people are saying bad things about Obama loud so I can hear. They seem to think they have a right. How wrong they are.
Tomorrow is Saturday and I’m getting to the mall just after it opens to see what I can hear. Obama says people like me are his eyes and ears.
This is the first time I’ve been really active in politics and I’m really enjoying it. Plus I’m getting non believers off the streets, and making money to boot.
This is a great country. I can’t believe the Republicans have stooped so low to do so much to hurt it.
The American media had been a Pravda for the past more than 50 years.
Speaking about Pravda, this article appeared in Pravda on 4-27-2009
I’ve just notified the White House that I intend to ask questions of my rep at a town hall meeting this week.
Come and get me, copper!
On the government’s “manufacturing (faux) ‘dissent’ ” and its repressing of free speech:
http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2009/08/pelosi-astroturf-healthcare/
A future “what if” glimpse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJl9EEcsoE&feature=player_embedded
There is a report on Fox that believes that this flag@whitehouse.gov idea might be illegal!
“There’s also a statute that requires the White House to retain all communications that it receives. It can’t try to rewrite history by pretending it didn’t receive anything,” he said.
“If the White House deletes anything, it violates one statute. If the White House collects data on the free speech, it violates another statute.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/07/white-house-collect-fishy-info-health-reform-illegal-critics-say/
Let’s see what happens with this, in the meantime people are getting madder and let’s hope that there is a record turnout against Democrats in 2010.
“The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil. – Sarah Palin”
Any questions..?
2. lainvestorgirl:
No worries…..
I changed my screen name-
Because the first time we push back real hard against these clowns they will run like scalded dogs.
It is already happening
I can smell their fear of Americans waking up to take back our government.
This week has noted a sharp descent into the fray that is anxiety, paranoia and fear that reflects the character of the small man who happens to occupy the White House.
The man who was abandoned by his father and stepfather is increasingly worried about the upcoming third abandonment. The tools of the demagogue use fear and division in order to build up his strawman enemies all for his legion of minions to summarily knock down. It is a weakening facade of the shallow character that is Barack Obama. Never has a man of character taken him aside and said, “Listen, a little humility would go a long way.” No, Barack Obama believes his own press and listens to no one but himself. He has all the answers, just shut up, sit down, get in line and he’ll give them to you.
On August 6, 2009, the President’s henchmen in the office of the Chief of Staff essentially drew the sword of the state and intend to use it to shed the blood of the citizen. That same day, SEIU thugs assaulted a black man selling Gadsden Flag items–using racial slurs and injuring him at a town hall in St. Louis. Moreover, union thugs pushed and shoved at least two men trying to enter a townhall in Tampa, FL. The level of passion against this tyranny is in direct proportion to the arrogance displayed by the White House.
Mr. President, you were abandoned once–and you’re going to be abandoned again. Grandma may have kept a bed warm for you, please grab a Teddy bear a cup of cocoa, and take a nap–the rest of us have a country to protect.
Kindest regards to fellow Patriots.
The Democrats are panicking, and reverting to their old habits–like Obama’s speech in San Francisco about “bitter clingers,” this is just the way Leftists speak among themselves when they assume no one is listening–Americans are retarded fascists and racists, and a progressive elite needs to tend to them, gently if possible, brutally if necessary. They really don’t have another way of speaking or thinking, and with their scapegoats (Bush and Cheney) out of power, they have no more disguises. This is very encouraging, because they are exposing themselves more rapidly and completely than anyone could have hoped. Maybe the American people need to be reminded every few decades why they prefer the Democrats as a whiny minority rather than a governing party. For that matter, it looks as if the Democrats might prefer it that way as well–they seem to prefer sniping at the undeserving American people to governing. The basic prerequisite of governing–making compromises–seems utterly uninteresting to them.
When’s the last time an American President told Americans with a certain opinion that they should just shut up? Maybe Nixon came close to that kind of language on occasion, but I doubt he was ever as blatant and arrogant as Obama.
Keep the youtube videos coming–let everyone see Obama saying “I don’t want to see them doing a lot of talking” a thousand times–set it to music, embed it in famous movie scenes, create a medley of greatest Obama slurs, threats and slime, etc.–make it all as memorable as possible.
“Furcht und Elend des Dritten Reiches”/(“Fear and Misery of the Third Reich”, German) – 1930-s stage play by Bertold Brecht; one of the plots: a family denounces a neighbor for listening to “fishy” foreign radio stations, neighbor rapidly arrested by the Gestapo.
After that, we had the Russian purges and the Goulags, then the Stasi, then the snitching apparatus reporting fishy casual conversations all over Eastern Europe, then the Toton Macoutes, then… then the MoveOnOrg, the ACORN, the ACLU, the Southern Law, the Daily Kos, and other progressive organizations and idividuals across America ready to inflict progress (i.e. against the will of most people around), at any price. (After all, aren’t the American progressives responding to Hitler’s call: “Progressives, I free you of that chymera the bourgeoisie names conscience!”)?
Are there still people around who think that Obama, if given the opportunity, wouldn’t suspend the constitution, establish reeducation camps, and march ahead on an open-ended career of Luminous Leader America?
Strange times indeed – remind me the raise of the 3rd. Reich.
Complaining about the government these days? Take a number — and give them your driver’s license and Social Security number while you’re at it. And don’t forget to smile pretty for the camera.
And…stop speaking out. Ideally, stop expressing any opposition to the regime at all.
Your President wants you to…
Shut the Hell Up
Obama has encouraged unleashing of the union thugs and the media is painting our retirees as reactionaries. The situation is crystallizing.
It’s interesting where we are headed. Historical precedent does not give us cause for optimism.
If your are not already practicing the Boy Scout motto, now is a good time to start.
President Crisis-Chaos-and-Change is right. We do have a crisis,crisis,crisis. We have a crisis in the presidency.
Well, if I am going to have my picture featured in the anti-ObamaCare file, may I request that you please use the one from my ID badge at work instead of the one on my driver’s license? It is far more flattering and if I am to be declared an enemy of the state for disagreeing with proposed legislation, I want to look good doing so.
We are seeing our President’s true colors, aren’t we? And about the Joker poster, the ears seem a little small, don’t they?
Health care reform that I’d be happy to support would include tort reform and co-op language. Until then, everyone have a happy “thug or be thugged” August.
I agree that our nation’s descent into fascism is breathtaking. Never in our history has a president so maliciously used his office. Not even FDR’s attempts to “stack” the Supreme Court and his other aberrant political behavior come close to what Obama’s goose-stepping supporters are attempting to do in their efforts to silence dissent. Beyond the intimidation, however, is the reality that Obama’s overall agenda will eventually eliminate the middle class, which is the source of America’s revenue and the heart of our freedoms. How the mainstream media can regard average Americans so condescendingly and contemptuously is beyond rational explanation — just like Germany’s dissent into fascism defies logic. Ah, but just like Hitler, Obama and his supporters vilify their opponents in the same manner as Hitler vilified the Jews. And with willing support from the mainstream media that not only vilifies those engaged in constitutionally-protected dissent, but willingly engages in public profanity in doing so, it probably won’t be long until the DOJ is enforcing new laws written by the Democratic-controlled Congress. Laws that will find loyal Americans in the same category as the detainees in GITMO. Perhaps Caveat Emptor should have been the opposition’s rallying cry before election day 2008.
I hope all those Union drones are going to be happy they voted for Obama when their excellent health benefits are replaced with a “more economical and efficient” gov’t system. The Obama administration is a travesty and our founding fathers are turning in their graves. ( I hope I can make the watch list!)
Why is anyone surprised…??
Our problem the last 40 years is continual decline into the Liberal / Conservative abyss. I read posts on this website that are well written, researched, organized and then the writer falls into the typical conservative or liberal mindset that we are right, they are wrong, simply because they are not us.
President Obama is doing what President Bush did before him, and will get away with it because Conservatives assisted President Bush to commit those acts, and Liberals will assist President Obama to continue them
Be sure to pick up your protest-wear here:
http://www.cafepress.com/FlagWhiteHouse
I’m not waiting for somebody to snitch on me. I’ll wear it proudly. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism!
Reverse macarthyism (sp).
Watch your backs.
The absolute logical extension of where democrats want to take us, linked above by Ed Wallis…
Ordering Pizza in the Future
#4 Laurie it sounds as though you’re “loyalty” is a pretty lucrative scam. Do we get the $100.00 if we turn ourselves in? Also, is the Obama bracelet made of real silver? How large and heavy is it? Could it be melted down into 240 grain castings?
For a magnificent pictorial essay on how this gummint works to quash public free spech and the right to assembly, visit this site and see the fine work done by El Marco!
Why is anyone surprised…??
Oh, I’m surprised, Alex.
Aghast, even, at the blatant crassness of it all.
Usually, “they” in DC pretend a little more lip service and deference to we the proles out here in the vast hinterland.
But this stuff, this “we’ve got the Answers, so shut up, America” stuff boggles my mind.
20. Nick MI writes:
“I hope all those Union drones are going to be happy they voted for Obama when their excellent health benefits are replaced with a “more economical and efficient” gov’t system.”
..to paraphrase H. L. Mencken, “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the [intelligence of union members]” or was it P. T. Barnum who said, “There’s a sucker born every minute.”
..either one works.
#4
Is anyone else a fan of preposterous statements? I sure am.
Here’s one: “Certainly the great President Obama is America’s staunchest advocate of free speech…”
Pam,
Your headline is a lie.
“but now Obama wants Americans to inform on those who disagree with him.”
Obama wants to know about false and misleading information reported in order to set the record straight. And PM is one of the worst offenders.
And you know it.
Er, sorry, Laurie. I knee-jerked my comment before going back to read yours further.
Americans are getting a big, 0bamasized, steaming pile of ‘audacity’ and the foul stench is finally waking people up from their kool-aid koma.
Just wanted to remind y’all that we have it have it on good authority that our dissent, our disagreement and our yelling! (as she did!–good grief, that was hard to listen to)…….has been authorized by Mrs. Bill Clinton herself:
“I’m sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we’re Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”
– Hillary Rodham Clinton
I suggest you copy this to your documents or e-mail inbox so it’s handy for use and re-use….and re-use…..and re-use….
Herman Wouk’s 2 volume series on the Second World War, “The winds of war” and “War and remembrance” painted the followers of the hammer and sickle in terms reminiscent of Doctor Zhivago.
Because there are people who disagree, they are not to be trusted. Golly, why hasn’t that been thought of? Wait a minute, it has been.
Root and branch systemic renewal, or perestroika (which does more justice than restructuring in describing the situation) is needed. First step,
those places of indoctrination once known as institutes of higher education. The first signs
are showing, for Harvard is in a deep financial hole, and it continues to dig.
Czars, Black Panthers and Acorn, oh my!
Welcome to the USSA!
I wonder what happened to those hordes of little liberals who were so worried about fascism under Bush? That is when they were not worrying about the impending theocracy.
The real thing is upon us. The only concern now is just how bad it gets, how far the true fascists can carry it. And the little liberals seem rather to like it all while conversely doing a 360 on the beauty of dissent. Hat tip to Meryl #33.
I suppose this represents both mass hysteria and fanaticism but I thought the libs were the Reality Based Community. Guess I was wrong.
We have crossed the Rubicon, fellow patriots. It’s time to mobilize a million man tea party on the president’s front lawn. We should be making preparations NOW to safeguard our polling places for 2010. Obama is not one to accept electoral defeat. We’re going to have to depose him before we’re rid of him. The situation is going to get very bad before we can right the ship of state.
“30. jharp:
Pam,
Your headline is a lie.
“but now Obama wants Americans to inform on those who disagree with him.”
Obama wants to know about false and misleading information reported in order to set the record straight. And PM is one of the worst offenders.
And you know it.”
And we know this is true because Obama says so.
I would agree that Obama’s request is more clumsy, arrogant phrasing then a call for “snitching,” but the confusion is his own fault. The Democrats are incapable of considering that those who disagree with them might be reasonable people, acting in good faith–no, they must be idiots or bribed by some evil corporate interests. So, instead of asking their supporters to engage those who disagree in vigorous, spirited debate, they ask for instances of “fishy” “disinformation.” No one is obliged to make Obama’s intentions clearer then he does, and he is, ultimately, asking some American citizens to view other American citizens, who happen to disagree, as enemies.
The leftists are the communist party and they are acting as such. Name call,intimidate, harass,mock, etc,etc,. It is the way the communists have always worked their evil. If the morons in Amorica do not soon awaken, freedom will be totally lost in the former land of the free.
DOH-bamma has proven over and over that he has no love for this nation, nor do his cohorts.
It upsets, but does not surprise, me, that of all the objections I hear to DOH-bamma’s attempt to sieze control over the health care decisions of the Amorican ppl, no one argues the most basic objection – it is unconstitutional !!!!! If we do not force the slimy politicians to uphold their oath to the law of the land, the United States Constitution, the country is lost.
The difference between the present liberal administration and persons of any other political persuasion is that while these particular liberals have gained power, they still believe that they themselves are not actually the government, and so do not bother themselves with policing their own conduct with that in mind. Hence, they conduct policy as if it is still a campaign, and thus all campaign tactics can be employed in the practice of governance. They are simply not capable of viewing it differently, and utterly incapable of understanding that when they ask for names, it is government asking for names.
I think this says something more fundamental about the mindset of the liberal that I cannot quite put my finger on, something to do with the fact that liberals do not actually view themselves first and foremost as Americans, that their personal identity is more wrapped up in their psychologically-driven ideology. The do not see themselves as Americans running America. They see themselves as elite persons running America.
Regardless, it is truly shameful to become government and yet not feel any responsibility to act accordingly. You could see it almost immediately when BHO was elected — his willingness to lower the office by engaging in political rhetoric about inheriting problems, just recently embodied by his speech in which he discourages free speech by those who created the “mess”, clearly indicates that his ideology trumps his sense of responsibility to appropriately steward his office. Secret Service folks will often tell you that they do not protect the man, they protect the office. Perhaps he should take his cues from those who protect him. Or from George W. Bush, who often cited free speech rights when confronted with vehement protests, even when they set up shop near his home in Texas.
My firm opinion is that BHO has not yet acquired the experience and wisdom to conduct himself in presidential fashion. He is unlike any prior president in that regard. At the same time he seems to be the first president who regards his own ideology as something to be concealed. He is essentially still a state legislator acting as president. Even the difference between himself and, say, Bill Clinton, is staggering.
adam:
“I would agree that Obama’s request is more clumsy, arrogant phrasing then a call for “snitching,” but the confusion is his own fault.”
No. The adminintration has been crystal clear that they only want to correct disinformation.
It is clearly the wingnuts hacks attempt to rile the teabaggers by calling it “Obama wants Americans to inform on those who disagree with him”.
That clearly is a lie.
“The Democrats are incapable of considering that those who disagree with them might be reasonable people, acting in good faith–no, they must be idiots or bribed by some evil corporate interests.”
Maybe if those who disagree would start acting reasonable and put forth sound arguments. No, the teabaggers are not acting in good faith. They protested higher taxes after Obama cut taxes for 95% of us for God’s sake. And in the health care debate throw out phrases such as “socialized medicine” (a lie), “gonna euthanize Grandma” (a lie), “taking freedom away” (a lie).
“So, instead of asking their supporters to engage those who disagree in vigorous, spirited debate,”
The teabaggers are not trying to engage in spirited debate. Period. They are doing the opposite. Simply shouting down any debate.
By the way, I played golf in the county republican party’s gold outing yesterday. Free beer and free golf. Thanks guys. And I nailed them on the health care debate. Nailed them.
Town hall attendees are mocked as the “Brooks Brothers” brigade, too well dressed to be sincere, not only by media outlets, but also by Barbara “Call Me Senator” Boxer.
This one made me laugh out loud–though there were some howlers in the rest of the article as well. The dishonesty of the people driving this movement is simply amazing. I mean, anything to avoid couching anything in context or historical terms.
In fact the “Brooks Brothers” appellation isn’t a comment on the dressing habits of the town hall agitators, it refers to the “spontaneous” protest that shut down the Florida recount. It later turned out that it was led and mostly manned by Republican operatives, who, in some cases, were flown in for the event.
Rachel Maddow has a wonderful program where she uses a photo of the “brooks brothes riot” and identifies all of the Republican staffers who have gone on to bigger and better things by listing that bit of skullduggery on their resume. The fact that you had to so obviously lie about what the Brooks Brother title means, shows two things: you’re own condescending disrespect for the intellect of the readers here, and how easily they’ve let themselves be manipulated by corporate and party interests because of their own antagonism to other groups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDzDt9HZ1c
Obama’s recent remarks that his opposition should STFU don’t seem too different from the Iranian regime’s current persecution of dissenters, foreigners in the country & others as well as approximately 100 Iranians (including journalists & even some clerics) who protested the fraudulent June 12 elections (a separate mass trial)
Iran mass trial
No wonder he wants to chat with A’jad so much and likely feels frustrated that the Iranian President’s illegitimacy may preclude that.
birds of a feather
Thug politics is nothing new in this country. I just never thought I’d see it reach the White House. Think about it, the Leader of the Free World is a practicing Chicago thug. Barack Obama has no grasp of the stature of the office he holds. He hasn’t a clue how to comport himself (here or abroad).
20. Nick MI: I hope all those Union drones are going to be happy they voted for Obama when their excellent health benefits are replaced with a “more economical and efficient” gov’t system.
IF the Democrats get their way, the union drones won’t have to be concerned with such mundanities. IF Democrats get their way, the following groups will be exempt from the rules: Congress, federal employees, state, county and municipal employees (in fact, all public sector employees) and workers whose benefits are determined by collective bargaining agreements. In time, I’m sure, other Democratic constituencies will be added to the exempt list. Certainly we can’t expect trial lawyers to accept substandard benefits. And what about Harvard professors?? Not to mention journalists. Maybe they’ll all have to unionize.
Thanks for the link in #7, Ed Wallis (thanks for both links in fact). Very interesting and informative. We have our work cut out for us.
I’ll be in DC on 9-12. Come join me.
“30. jharp:
Pam,
Your headline is a lie.
“but now Obama wants Americans to inform on those who disagree with him.”
Obama wants to know about false and misleading information reported in order to set the record straight. And PM is one of the worst offenders.
And you know it.”
harpo, you have not only repeatedly proven yourself to be a vulgar and ignorant liar, but I’m beginning to think a deranged one as well. You’d have to be to keep allowing yourself to be manipulated like you do.
There is a legal prohibition against the White House using government organizations to compile information to be used to disrupt anyone’s else’s political agenda. That was established as law in 1974. Which means that any use of information gathered from the site to disrupt any efforts against Obama’s agenda makes his administration rogue. The law also requires that the White House retain all communications. The combination of the two means that not retaining any record of defying the first law is a crime also.
These are not the days of Rose Mary Woods being able to expunge information by erasing it from a tape recorder. It’s much harder to control dissemination of information these days. Plus, Rose Mary Woods was willing to go to the wall for her boss. Obama does not command that sort of loyalty because no one in their right mind would assume they wouldn’t be thrown under the bus.
The site will disappear within days because of the outrage. The reason given will either be that the site is overwhelmed by honest reports from concerned good citizens, or overwhelmed by dishonest reports from bad rabble rousing citizens, or a combination of the two.
And the ignorant tools trolling in defense of it will be left spinning in the wind. Again.
Sharper tools please.
I’m sorry but these hooligans need to be monitored. We knew it would only be a matter of time. Now the mob is encouraging its members to arm themselves at town hall meetings. Aside from the fact that it is insane, do they not realize that children go with their parents to these things? What’s fascinating to me is not just the blind fury of the people – it is much more than anger, it is close to explosive – but the bizarre points they are making. One man in a YouTube clip said adamantly that he wanted the “government to keep their mitts off his MediCare. Another woman asks heatedly, “Exactly where’s the money coming from? Is it coming out of my paycheck? I wanna know if it’s coming out of my paycheck–yes or no!” Well, if she has health insurance from her employer, yes it already is coming out of her pay-check in larger and larger amounts. Is she aware of this? Are the Dems planning to tax her to pay for insuring the uninsured? Unless she’s very wealthy, no. And then the mob disintegrates into slogan: “Liberty or Tyranny!” If these people were yelling: “End the employer tax break!” or “More Cost-Controls!” or “Malpractice Reform!” I’d be more sympathetic. But this is blind panic, rage, and ignorance. Not to mention upset that they lost the election and hate having a Black President. These people are anything but patriots. They are the enemy within and should be treated like domestic terrorists.
yes jharp … we are shouting … because we have downloaded the bill and have read it. we will NOT accept this government take over.
you’re a fool!
Commuter:
“There is a legal prohibition against the White House using government organizations to compile information to be used to disrupt anyone’s else’s political agenda.”
And so what? No one is doing anything even remotely resembling that.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/
“There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.”
I applaud Obama for correcting the teabaggers lies. He isn’t disrupting anyone’s political agenda. He’s simply promoting his own.
I see you’ve been watching Fox News. That explains a lot. I missed Rush yesterday as I was busy sucking off the teat of county republican party(free golf and booze). What’d Rush have to say? Let me guess. Obama is Hitler.
There is no longer any daylight between unhinged troll commentators and Democratic elected officials–Boxer is referring, according to moho, to that ur-event of contemporary Democratic politics, the bloody shirt (or Brooks Brothers suit) of the Florida recount. Let’s say moho’s right–how crazy would Boxer have to be to display this obsession with the 2000 election in public, as if it’s shared by all Americans? For jharp, it’s enough to call the opponents of Obamacare “tea baggers” (a weird phrase, assuming hatred of homosexuals, but otherwise meaningless) and say they lie several times. That’s all fine on a blog, but they don’t seem to realize that it’s astonishing for the President to behave no differently, to refuse even to pretend to be President of all the people. It’s good that this is coming to a head now, so early in Obama’s Presidency.
“Maybe if those who disagree would start acting reasonable and put forth sound arguments. No, the teabaggers are not acting in good faith. They protested higher taxes after Obama cut taxes for 95% of us for God’s sake. And in the health care debate throw out phrases such as “socialized medicine” (a lie), “gonna euthanize Grandma” (a lie), “taking freedom away” (a lie).”
Leftists play a little game with the American public–they put forward relatively sane party programs and statements, and then accuse anyone who looks beyond those statements and programs to the logic of their thinking and action of being liars. So, the simple deduction that a public option will ultimately drive private insurers out of business, and pointing to the fact that Obama and many others on the Left have said as much explicitly, is a “lie.” The logical conclusion that if the government controls access to health care they will determine the terms of access to that health care–it’s as plain as can be, but Obama hasn’t said that, so it’s another “lie.” The obvious fact that spending trillions of dollars must lead to tax increases is a “lie”–Obama said the opposite! And, finally, pointing out that a dogmatically pro-abortion party, with sympathies for euthanasia movements, and with appointments and associates on the record as supporting “quality of life” determinations in making health care decisions, and assuming that if things go the way Obama and the Democrats like a few years down the road pressure will be brought to bear on the sick, elderly, and those with birth defects (or bearing children with birth defects) to help “keep costs down”–all “lies.” This is not lying–it’s political profiling (making sense of someone’s character as a whole), and it is perfectly legitimate, and can’t be answered by sayin “we never said that.”
“but the bizarre points they are making. One man in a YouTube clip said adamantly that he wanted the “government to keep their mitts off his MediCare.”
A classic. Remember that we’re dealing with a group who organized tax protests after Obama cut taxes for 95% of us.
You are right. It is nothing but blind ignorant rage. They have no idea what they are protesting.
And now they are in a panic because Obama want’s to share the facts with the American people.
Commuter: I hope you don’t stop using the “sharper tools” thing, because one of my main sources of enjoyment is watching as people with withered frontal lobes actually try to reason out their marching orders rather than just follow them blindly [though with increasing volume].
Far be it from me to guess at what is going on in your fevered reasoning process, but are you referencing FISA [though it wasn't passed until 1978]? I assume that there’s a good reason that you didn’t reference the name of the law–like you actually don’t know what you’re talking about, or you’re just regurgitating something someone else told you to say. George Bush violated FISA for two years until he was caught—the violations actually began before September 11. I wonder what you thought of that, you must have been up in arms! A President violating the law? That never happened until Obama was President!
By the way, I’m actually one of the few people here lending legitimacy to this ridiculous collection of rumor-mills, by actually posting links and citations that back up my assertions.
Case in point:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/05/politics/05cnd-intel.html
WASHINGTON, Feb. 5 — The Republican who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee said today that he believed the Bush administration had violated the law with its warrantless surveillance program and that its legal justifications for the program were “strained and unrealistic.”
The program “is in flat violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act,” said the chairman, Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, who will open committee hearings on Monday.
But the deputy director of national intelligence, Gen. Michael Hayden of the Air Force, who oversaw the program when he headed the National Security Agency, defended it from assertions that it had cast too broad a net, intercepting the calls of perhaps thousands of innocent Americans, and produced only modest results in pursuit of the Qaeda terror network.
“It’s about speed,” General Hayden said on ABC. “It’s about hot pursuit of Al Qaeda communications.”
Senator Specter said that his committee was trying to secure testimony from former Attorney General John Ashcroft and other former Bush administration officials, including some who are said to have questioned the legality of the program in its initial years.
Democrats have urged Mr. Specter to ask the administration to waive executive privilege to allow former officials to testify candidly.
For now, the only administration witness scheduled to appear is Mr. Ashcroft’s successor, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.
Mr. Gonzales and other administration officials have asserted that a president’s inherent powers and the authority for the use of force that Congress granted after Sept. 11, 2001, gave President Bush ample powers to permit eavesdropping without warrants from the special court set up by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
Senator Specter said that he would ask Mr. Gonzales to seek the FISA court’s own assessment of whether the program is legal.
The senator, who has clashed with the administration before, said that it was clear to him that the law had been violated. The program, he said on NBC, “is in flat violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.” But it remained to be seen, Mr. Specter added, whether that statute is inconsistent with the Constitution.
Of Democratic calls to subpoena notes of administration deliberations about the legality of the program, Senator Specter said he would not immediately move to do so. But “if the necessity arises,” he added, “I won’t be timid.”
Mr. Specter’s strong language reflects sharp concerns among many in Congress – mainly Democrats, but also some Republicans – over the legality of the program, the administration’s decision to circumvent the FISA court rather than ask Congress to change the law, and whether the administration kept Congress adequately informed.
You have an allegation without proof that Obama is breaking an unnamed law. I have an allegation with proof that Bush broke FISA. I’m eager to watch your tortured reasoning process in action on this one.
The Republican Motto: “Rights for me, but not for thee!”
It’s obvious that counter-disinformation isn’t the purpose of the fishy email program, because all of the Democratic discourse is disinformation. So what’s it really for?
Here are a few possible objectives:
1. Eyewash to help Obama pretend to be a champion of truth in his active fantasy world.
2. Radicalization of useful idiots, first as snitches, then as citizen thugs.
3. Trial balloon – a test to measure how much the statists can get away with, and how quickly power can be grabbed.
4. Shaping – This is analogous to the use of psychological warfare operations prior to a battle. The goal is to tilt the odds against the enemy, to shape the outcome, by messing with their minds. By using the implied use of force as a tool of intimidation, Obama can suppress free speech by spreading paranoia, thereby reducing our ability to defend ourselves. This soaks up mental resources that might otherwise be directed in opposition to socialized medicine and other statist plans.
I have to laugh when I hear Nazi Pelosi state that the protesters are “AstroTurf” not real grassroute organizers….does she ever know what she’s saying or what AstroTurf is?… she sounds like a idiot saying it, she hasn’t a clue, she’s reading off of a index card a staffer gave to her. She and Boxer are are the Wood-Sisters, that is Dead-Wood and Drift-Wood. Send these queens packing back to their bankrupt state.
hahahaha… and it also cracks me up that these trolls think that “95% of us” have received tax cuts. Talk about foolish people!
46. Praetorian:
These people are anything but patriots. They are the enemy within and should be treated like domestic terrorists.
I see. So what do you suggest? Prison? Re-education camps? Or maybe just cut to the chase and announce a Final Solution? Inquiring minds want to know.
I was told to “shut up and take it” by a democrat family member the other day. They have no idea what is actually going on they just think it’s so “neato” that their guy won the election. They could care less what is happening to our Republic at the moment.
46. Praetorian,
Sometimes you have to bring a gun to a knife fight.
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun” -0bama
Nonny nonny boo boo!
OR folks could just bring a billy-club like the Black Panther thugs! WHOOT!
This is the saddest administration I have ever lived under. These folks are not Americans they are Separatists who want to take my life and country away.
elvis:
“hahahaha… and it also cracks me up that these trolls think that “95% of us” have received tax cuts.”
It is true. You think you’re being cute but you are being stupid. I had to educate Commuter on this some time ago. Here you go. The website of the IRS.
“For 2009 and 2010, the Making Work Pay provision of ARRA provides a refundable tax credit of up to $400 for working individuals and $800 for married taxpayers filing joint returns.”
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=206038,00.html
Just to update you about my Uncle Jerry, who came home this morning, escorted by two nice young men in black suits with American flag lapel pins.
They told Joan, Jerry’s wife, that Jerry had sensibly decided to sign the loyalty oath to the President, and everything would be fine from here on out.
Joan said Jerry was very quiet, unlike his usual gun toting self, mumbled something and stumbled off to bed.
I guess for his own protection they shaved his head making Jerry looking like an army recruit.
Boy, my Uncle Jerry really stepped in it this time, and with both feet. But you can’t interfere with the President with something as important as health care. If you screw around in loud disagreement with the super wonderful President Obama, you risk Obama throwing the whole constitution at your.
PS
The agents handed me my $100 that they called patriot money and left.
I hope Uncle Jerry’s learned his lesson. God bless Obama and America.
Moho,
“You have an allegation without proof that Obama is breaking an unnamed law. I have an allegation with proof that Bush broke FISA. I’m eager to watch your tortured reasoning process in action on this one.”
Commuter has no idea what he is talking about. He is simply parroting some wingnut hack on Fox News.
We’re dealing with a guy (Commuter) who still can’t comprehend the concept of a tax credit.
# 55, Paules asks, “I see. So what do you suggest? Prison? Re-education camps? Or maybe just cut to the chase and announce a Final Solution? Inquiring minds want to know.”
Good try but the real Nazi’s are the hooligans showing up to disrupt and endanger. Polite discussion and even heated debate is welcome and REQUIRED at these town hall events. However, once death threats begin, a call for individuals to arm themselves at what, a district meeting with your representative? Come on, you don’t think a line has been crossed? Re-education camps? No, any education would be most welcome actually. These are individuals who have a whole bunch of hate in them for reasons they themselves can’t articulate. We have procedures and laws in place to deal with this sort of thing and to stamp it out if necessary.
55. ~Paules:
46. Praetorian:
These people are anything but patriots. They are the enemy within and should be treated like domestic terrorists.
I see. So what do you suggest?
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I’m open to suggestions. What do think? Handle it like Bush? Wiretap phones and monitor e mail without search warrants? Then imprison them as “enemy combatants” with no lawyer, no charges, and no trial for as long as Obama says so.
Seems pretty harsh to me yet the wingnutosphere applauded Bush for it.
#10 — yes, I have a question. Have you and Caribou Barbie been sucking from the same crack pipe?
As for the rest of you who claim to have “downloaded and read” the bill… please copy and paste the applicable portion here… the one that specifically says Obama is gonna kill your pointy-headed children and grandmothers.
Should be easy enought to do. Right? I mean, since you’ve READ the bill and all…
Some of these liberals just might be open to suggestions, but it is apparent the Obama administration is not! Now we hear of civilian internment camps(concentration Camps), we on the right are in big trouble with these Chicago thugs.wake up America!
I have come to realize that Pajamas Media is actually providing a useful service by offering a forum to jharp, praetorian and moho. When they are writing their comments here it distracts them from their other usual daily activities of sexually molesting ugly dogs, chickens, and other small animals. Unfortunately, other members of the Obama administration probably pick up the slack.
#57 Delia “Sometimes you have to bring a gun to a knife fight.
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun” -0bama
Nonny nonny boo boo!”
Uh, huh . . .I suppose when an innocent child gets shot and killed they will just be considered collateral damage in the cause from your perspective. Sick people but I am quite confident you will be defeated.
61. Laurie Thompson,
Did ‘Uncle Jerry’ suffer any electrode burns on his temples? lol
You dopes don’t get it. The “fishy” people are the ones with the fish on their cars. The ones worshiping the wrong Jesus. Thou shalt not have fishy gods before me.
68, Hey Einstein. Ever heard of figurative speech?
Laurie Thompson, there’s no need to indulge that odd fantasy you just cooked up. The kind of things you’re talking about have been going on for the last ten years. And they continue under the Obama adminsitration, just as they were the rule under the Bush administration.
I doubt you’ve heard of the story of Mohammed Jawad, but just in case you actually care about the issues you’re referencing here, and not just looking for a way to hate Obama, I offer you this story so that you can better aim your struggle to stop the quashing of human and constitutional rights. Keep in mind, this person may have been as young as 12 years old when he was arrested by the Bush administration.
Government Might Allow U.S. Trial for Detainee
By WILLIAM GLABERSON
The Obama administration changed course Friday in the case of one of the youngest prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, saying he would no longer be considered a military detainee but would be held for possible prosecution in American civilian courts.
The decision came after a federal judge said last week that the government’s case for continuing to detain the prisoner, Mohammed Jawad, was “riddled with holes” and that the Justice Department had been “dragging this out for no good reason.”
Mr. Jawad, whose precise age is unknown, has been held for nearly seven years, after first being detained as a teenager. The federal judge, Ellen Segal Huvelle of Federal District Court in Washington, reacted furiously last week after government lawyers conceded that much of their evidence to justify Mr. Jawad’s detention consisted of statements he had made that a military judge had previously ruled were obtained after he was tortured. Government lawyers said they would no longer rely on those statements.
In a filing Friday, the administration effectively conceded that it had lost the case, a habeas corpus challenge to Mr. Jawad’s imprisonment, before Judge Huvelle. The filing said the government would “no longer treat petitioner as detainable” as a military detainee.
But it said that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. had directed that a criminal investigation of Mr. Jawad continue. American officials say Mr. Jawad threw a hand grenade that seriously wounded two American servicemen and their Afghan translator in an attack in Kabul in 2002.
The filing indicated that the government planned to continue to hold Mr. Jawad at Guantánamo “at an appropriate camp facility,” evidently until a decision on whether to transfer him to the United States for prosecution.
Judge Huvelle indicated in a hearing on July 16 that she was considering ordering that Mr. Jawad be returned to Afghanistan. That created a politically awkward situation for the Obama administration, which has faced sharp criticism from Republicans for its plan to close the Guantánamo prison. It potentially meant that the administration would be required to transfer a detainee charged with trying to kill American servicemen.
In a statement accompanying Friday’s court filing, the Justice Department said that an administration task force reviewing the cases of Guantánamo detainees had previously made the decision to refer Mr. Jawad’s case for possible prosecution.
Separate from the habeas corpus case before Judge Huvelle, the government has been prosecuting Mr. Jawad, an Afghan, in the military commission system at Guantánamo. But that case met numerous obstacles. Among other things, the presiding military judge ruled last year that Mr. Jawad had been tortured by Afghan officials before he was turned over to American forces and that he was mistreated at Guantánamo.
The government’s filing on Friday said it had “multiple eyewitness accounts that were not previously available” and other evidence including an account by an witness who “alleges that he saw Jawad throw a grenade that wounded two American service members.”
Judge Huvelle could still issue an order directing that Mr. Jawad be released to Afghanistan. But such an order would encounter many hurdles. Congress recently passed legislation requiring that it receive 15 days’ notice before any such transfer, which could give the administration the time necessary to charge Mr. Jawad in an American court.
Jonathan Hafetz, Mr. Jawad’s lawyer at the American Civil Liberties Union, said he was likely to ask the judge to direct that Mr. Jawad be sent home. Last week, Mr. Hafetz said, the Justice Department acknowledged that Mr. Jawad had been tortured.
“Today they admitted he has been illegally held for seven years,” Mr. Hafetz said. “Rather than sending him home to Afghanistan, which has demanded his return, they are trying to prolong his detention.”
If you really are so worried about the suspension of habeas corpus and the institution of indefinite detetion, then you’ll be incensced about this story. That, however, would require you to concede that this was already going on in the previous Republican administration. I’m eager to see how deep your constitutional devotion goes.
The Fort Collins Tea Party recently held an anti-Obamacare counterprotest and blew the doors off the ACORN/SEIU droids, outnumbering them nearly 5 to 1. Some of the tea partiers were indeed reported. Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFmiBT_xA-E
“And I nailed them on the health care debate. Nailed them.”
And I bet that reflects reality outside of your irrational moonbat head. :rolleyes:
You fakers who post working as government stooges better realise that you are responsible for your words. What is spoken here should be the truth as we see it from the heart. Otherwise what are you? Even if some of you do not believe in truth and justice, that fact does not mean there isn’t any. The principals of God are timeless and the rules are always enforced no matter how long it takes. We always get what we deserve. If you realise that you have made a mistake you can always repent of it and ask for mercy, you might even receive some.
The White House should not be collecting any information on the free citizens of this country. The census should not be in the White House or in the hands of cronies. It’s undeniable that we are living in a thugocracy the evidence is factual the lies are constant and provable. To deny it is insane.
68. Praetorian:
LOL! Yeah, Grandma & Grandpa are DANGERUZZZ!
;p ROTFL
Mojo,
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Oh, lordy, these trolls are thick. Laurie flew right over the cuckoo’s head.
@ 48 jharp: “Handle it like Bush? Wiretap phones and monitor e mail without search warrants?”
You think that is harsh, and yet Obama’s efforts to centrally monitor political speech do not bother you? Seriously, a government agency monitoring political speech does not bother you? The white house is not a government agency all of the sudden? That doesn’t make much sense, regarding the white house as something other than government. Understand: government is not some elegant non-human solution factory. Government is people. Your neighbors, your friends, your enemies, your family, the guy that delivers your mail. That is government. And you are okay with government employees — government — monitoring political speech? You think that is acceptable because you think the political speech is wrong?
I feel sorry that in all your years you still have not appreciated what is truly great about this nation and why it’s worth defending free political speech at all costs, whatever team you play for. I also think you should work for your own beer. It too closely coincides with your political philosophy to take it from others.
And one more thing. You should read this completely instead of just skimming it, you might learn something. Your reference to the “make work pay” tax cut for 95% of us is foolish in several ways. Not only does this small amount phase out at higher income levels, but it can actually be claimed by people who don’t owe any taxes at all as a rebate. You know that that means, genius? The 95% of us are paying more taxes than we should. The “cut” is actually designed to redistribute tax dollars paid by 95% of us to those who pay none. Sure, our taxes are less — but they should be lower than what they are, and the rebate program prevents that. Very tricky to conceal that through the tax code and sell it as a cut. I’m sure you also think that when you buy something on sale for $50 that is normally $100, you actually save $50, as opposed to say, spending $50. Even so, I’d almost agree that it truly is a cut because our taxes are less — except here is the smoking gun: when you consider we are borrowing money from China to pay the bills, we’re also paying interest on the amount our taxes are lowered. With the magic of compounding, our taxes in out-years will increase by much more than the amount of the alleged “cut” in order to pay for the “cut”. If you think about it long enough, your head might explode. I therefore encourage you to think about it long enough. At the very least, stop maligning the intellects of others when your own does not position you to do so.
@ Moho 51: “I have an allegation with proof that Bush broke FISA” You consider the citation you offered proof of something? A NYT article that quotes a politician’s opinion about whether something is legal? You actually do think that’s proof? You obviously do not understand the legislative branch of government, what its powers are and are not, and how it actually functions in practice. A legislator’s opinion is exactly that: an opinion, just like yours and mine. Perhaps you’ve got an AG opinion, or else, a court decision? Even a salient fact that you can compare to specific statutory language? I thought not. Citing articles is not citing proof. Sourcing an assertion with another assertion is not proof. You do understand that, don’t you?
You shouldn’t mock people and their frontal lobes, but you especially shouldn’t mock people if you also hypocritically assert you’ve got proof of something and then fail to provide it in the very same breath. That is foolish and does nothing to advance the debate.
The two of you should just admit that you see everything through a prism — anyone who agrees with you is right, and anyone else is a “wingnut”. But stop insulting people’s intelligence, it makes you look silly.
Dissent was worthy of being tazed and demonized during the Bush years according to and supported by the right. Why change your tune now?
Am I the only one who sees the irony between conservatives complaining about Obama gathering misleading information from citizens and this: “PJTV is soliciting citizen reporters to cover the ongoing town hall meetings on health care reform. Post videos, photos, and text”
You righties really gotta proofread more.
Delia,
Those said electrode burns where located on places Uncle Jerry wouldn’t even show his wife, Joan.
Joan says he’s now upstairs watching a rerun of Beverly Hillbillies. He says he wants to put this whole sordid affair behind him. Actually, I think Obama should make signing a loyalty oath mandatory for all government workers and school children above the age of 7 (the age of reason).
For some reason, President Obama’s popularity seems to be falling like a work crew of blind roofers.
I think for his own protection he should build a bunker on the lines of the one Hitler fashioned in Germany. I’m worried the American people who don’t understand the great things Obama is fashioning (like a wonderful health care program on educational TV) for this country might do something drastic.
I went to the mall today and in the store where they sell Nascar stuff exclusively I heard some talk which I’m afraid to report on the Obama fish line because it was so derogatory to our great leado.
They even were picking on the beautiful Michelle, saying she had a n0-show job worth half a mil at the University of Chicago because Obama gave a big graft check to them.
Imagine, after less than a year in office this highly intelligent President has to put up with riff raff who aren’t smart enough to know a great health care bill when Obama tells them about it. People all over this country are casting aspersions on Obama at a startling rate.
Where are all those white people who voted for him? Don’t they know what kind of disarming man he is? Like getting Russia and Iran to agree that it’s best if the U.S. doesn’t make the stupid Bush missile shield operational. Like, there are people out there still trying to hurt us.
It’s undeniable. Obama’s magnetic personality certainly has made friends of our former enemies. Isn’t it wonderful that we can think of the oval office and know that Obama’s hand is on the ship of state?
I’m also delighted to hear Sgt. Crowley has apologized for his actions when he arrested a friend of the President, Henry Gates.
Through understanding and good will Obama is solving the problems of the world, while working to end the last vestiges of racism in the United States. What an inspirational man.
“Furcht und Elend des Dritten Reiches”/(”Fear and Misery of the Third Reich”, German) – 1930-s stage play by Bertold Brecht; one of the plots: a family denounces a neighbor for listening to “fishy” foreign radio stations, neighbor rapidly arrested by the Gestapo.”
Mon cher Alceste,
in 1930 Caporal Hitler hadn’t accessed to power yet,(1933,that is) though Bertold Brecht performed this play in 1938
‘but are you referencing FISA’
No, tool. Fisa does not apply here. FISA does not prohibit an administration from using government agencies to compile information on people who do not agree with it. FISA’s intent, and wording, are quite different. And I very specifically said 1974, not 1978.
‘I assume that there’s a good reason that you didn’t reference the name of the law–like you actually don’t know what you’re talking about, or you’re just regurgitating something someone else told you to say.’
It’s name is the Privacy Act. Passed in 1974. I described it, and I did try to tell you it’s relevance to the issue at hand. Because I did not expect you, nor would I expect harpo, to know that. Nor would I expect either of you to be capable of researching it, nor understanding it, nor it’s relevance, were you to find it and try to read it.
But do try.
BTW, harpo. Fox news did not pass the law. A democrat majority congress did.
Sharper tools. Please.
76 Delia:
James W. von Brunn, an 88-year-old U.S. military veteran and white supremacist, was arrested after the Wednesday shooting, which killed Steven Johns and injured two others at the Holocaust Museum.
Dangerous indeed.
Obviously not “Wednesday’s” shooting.
“President Obama is doing what President Bush did before him”
Oh, nonsense. When did President Bush ask people to report citizens who opposed his policies to the White House? When did President Bush have an arm of his administration release videos and statements condemning anyone who protested him as ‘Nazis’?
This is all Obama. It’s pure ‘community organizing’ and dirty Chicago politics.
And the reason you hear us fall back to ‘Conservatives are right, liberals are wrong’ is because Conservatives are right and liberals are wrong. It’s not a matter of blind ideology or partisanship. Serious discussion of any major policy issue shows you that the Conservative approach (small government, limited taxation and spending) is always superior to the liberal solution. Which should be clear, because it was the basis for the formation of this country.
“I doubt you’ve heard of the story of Mohammed Jawad”
I doubt that, in a less irresponsible media time, you would ever have heard the case of Mohammed Jawad.
He was in a combat zone when a grenade was thrown at our soldiers. He was found holding a grenade. In a shooting war, he would be dead.
Because we are humane, we instead took him prisoner. And then began the endless stream of civilian second-guessing of a wartime, battlefield situation, allowing smug lefty idiots like you to posit an opinion on how a violent enemy combatant captured on a field of battle should be ‘brought to justice’.
If anything, this entire affair reinforces why the military and civilian courts of law must be kept entirely separate. And why armchair battlefield theoreticians like yourself deserve no attention whatsoever.
…liberals do not actually view themselves first and foremost as Americans, that their personal identity is more wrapped up in their psychologically-driven ideology. The do not see themselves as Americans running America. They see themselves as elite persons running America.
Bottom line, LennyB #40.
Nice writing.
Jharp et al obamatools:
I’m still hoping to make the enemies list for submitting that Sweet Little Barry serviced his Sugar Daddy Tony Rezko in ways other than merely graft and theft-wise for about 15 years. Is that OK? Can you tell them that I said those things? Thanks!
#68 Delia wrote “LOL! Yeah, Grandma & Grandpa are DANGERUZZZ!
;p ROTFL”
It’s unfortunate that you find the prospect of someone getting murdered so amusing. This is why you people are so dangerous. Not only are you ignorant (see my post #46) but you have no conscience. In any event, I suspect this time next year the implementation of health care reform will be in full swing. Millions of hard working American families will get the coverage they need and deserve. After that, you won’t be able to pry that vote out of their cold dead hand. Guaranteed.
Lenny:
You consider the citation you offered proof of something? A NYT article that quotes a politician’s opinion about whether something is legal? You actually do think that’s proof? You obviously do not understand the legislative branch of government, what its powers are and are not, and how it actually functions in practice. A legislator’s opinion is exactly that: an opinion, just like yours and mine.
You’re really this stupid? This negates your own point about Obama’s alleged monitoring of political speech. The only people to call it a crime are you buttonheads. My god, you people just aren’t equipped for any sort of political dialogue. You make more sense when you’re shouting.
My, my, my, jharp is getting quite shrill now that Obama’s true socialist true colors are on display for all to enjoy (and the MSM can’t cover for him anymore).
Teabaggers jharp? Why the name calling when trying to defend Obama? Running out of intelligent reasons why he would want to violate the rights of US citizens? Funny how you even reach back to try and use the Bush care again. Desperation is the new calling card of the liberals it seems.
Just so you know jharp: I’m currently wearing your endearing terms of “teabagger, tin-foil hatter, wingnut”, as a badge of honor. It means you KNOW I’m right and your only means of defending Dear Leader Obama is with name calling.
Do tell us when exactly it was that liberals decided to let FREE SPEECH rights go out the window? Was it during the election or just recently?
He was in a combat zone when a grenade was thrown at our soldiers. He was found holding a grenade. In a shooting war, he would be dead.
Because we are humane, we instead took him prisoner.
You’re an idiot. The judge ruled that all of the evidence against him was extracted through torture and ruled that he go free–that’s in the very excerpt I posted here. Your points, even if they were the product of evidence or any research on your part, would be moot. A judge ordered he be freed. In any case, the rules of war do not allow prisoners of war to be tried for combat related actions. In a war, its acknowledged that the other side is not committing a crime by fighting the war! This is the reason why POW’s on both sides of World War II, men who had been conscripted and did not actually necessarily share the viewpoints of their leaders, were protected from prosecution.
In conclusion, you know nothing of current events or American history. I value democracy, but completely ignorant and stupid people like me make me wonder if it isn’t doomed from the start. Your entire political philosophy is based on nothing close to logic, but is merely “rights for me, and not for thee.” I’m waiting for you people just to finally have the balls to be honest about it and start making t-shirts.
ein bisschen Bertold Brecht Atmosphere auf den 1930 Yahren
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swa8jEnp5e8
I love free speech. It’s a pity the Liberals, ACLU and the rest of the Socialist clique only acknowledge it if one agrees with them. Where do these drones get their ideas from? Oh I forgot, from feeble like minded professors who teach people what to think, not how to think.
How soon we forget the screeching of Mrs. Clinton a few years ago when she said she was sick and tired of people who denied others the opportunity to speak up.
I think the RNC should make a commercial out of that clip. Amusing.
PS. Orwell was 25 years too early.
It’s name is the Privacy Act. Passed in 1974. I described it, and I did try to tell you it’s relevance to the issue at hand. Because I did not expect you, nor would I expect harpo, to know that.
I’m still laughing at your tortured logic. You didn’t tell us the name of the law, because you didn’t expect us to know the name of the law? This only makes your “sharper tools” comment all the more enjoyable. You have to be one of the dumbest people posting here, and that’s saying something. In any case, the Bush administration rolled back part of the privacy act for the Department of Homeland Security. My god, you’re arguing for the protection of a law that was already altered by Bush so that the government could keep and share records about individuals in a way that was considered unlawful previous to 2007. You must have been up in arms about that one, too!
http://www.statewatch.org/news/2007/sep/04eu-usa-pnr-exemptions.htm
Make that:
1-800-NARKFISH
What’s our Dear Leader going to do when he orders the National Guard to fire on the protesters outside the White House and they refuse?
Poor Obambi . . . he knows he’s history, and is trying every dirty trick in the book to reverse the flood. All he’s doing is throwing napalm on the fire of opposition.
Oh, how I’m looking forward to the next year!
AtheistConservative:
“Oh, nonsense. When did President Bush ask people to report citizens who opposed his policies to the White House?”
Are you really that ignorant? Do you really believe this is about those who oppose health care reform?
Clue. It’s not. It’s about responding to the disinformation being passed around by ignorant redneck teabaggers, and letting people know the truth.
And face it, we could use more of the truth. I still shake my head over the wingnut telling the Congressman for South Carolina that “the government keep their mitts off my Medicare”.
We ain’t dealing with very bright people here.
79. LennyB:
“Your reference to the “make work pay” tax cut for 95% of us is foolish… … it can actually be claimed by people who don’t owe any taxes at all as a rebate. You know that that means, genius? The 95% of us are paying more taxes than we should. The “cut” is actually designed to redistribute tax dollars paid by 95% of us to those who pay none.”
Nonsense. That is flat out false.
Do you even understand the concept of payroll taxes? Do you have any idea of what they are?
“Sure, our taxes are less — but they should be lower than what they are, and the rebate program prevents that. Very tricky to conceal that through the tax code and sell it as a cut. I’m sure you also think that when you buy something on sale for $50 that is normally $100, you actually save $50, as opposed to say, spending $50. Even so, I’d almost agree that it truly is a cut because our taxes are less — except here is the smoking gun: when you consider we are borrowing money from China to pay the bills, we’re also paying interest on the amount our taxes are lowered. With the magic of compounding, our taxes in out-years will increase by much more than the amount of the alleged “cut” in order to pay for the “cut”. If you think about it long enough, your head might explode. I therefore encourage you to think about it long enough. At the very least, stop maligning the intellects of others when your own does not position you to do so.”
Don’t know what you’re on, but it must be some good stuff. I’d recommend not smoking it before posting.
Note the collapse of the Leftists here–they ultimately fall back on the “Bush/Republicans” did it too! The equation is nonsense, as many of you have pointed out, but the argument is interesting because it is essentially a concession and admission of guilt–you would think that leftists who just spent the last 8 years demonizing Bush as the worst-president-ever would want to stay away from this kind of argument. It was Nixon’s argument when his wiretapping and dirty tricks were made public–Johnson/Kennedy/FDR, etc. did it. When Nixon got to that point, he was running out of time. And we’re only 7 months in!
82. Anonymous,
Laurie, where do you come up with this stuff? You need a blog. he-he
85. Now and Then,
James W. von Brunn, the registered DEMOCRAT????
“Note the collapse of the Leftists here–they ultimately fall back on the “Bush/Republicans” did it too!”
No Adam, in fact. In the first place, no one has proved that Obama has done anything like abrogate the privacy of US citizens. That’s just your own ginned up and ludicrous vision. Secondly, you know that none of you complained as the Bush administration whittled away our liberties. You still don’t care that Obama hasn’t yet undone the damage! If you want to be mad at Obama for taking away your freedoms, be mad at him for not rescinding Bush era policies of wiretapping and indefinite detention, but actually making them worse. You people have no idea what you’re talking about.
“81 Now and Then: Am I the only one who sees the irony between conservatives complaining about Obama gathering misleading information from citizens and this: ‘PJTV is soliciting citizen reporters to cover the ongoing town hall meetings on health care reform. Post videos, photos, and text’ ”
Wow, I didn’t know you could compare PJTV with the power and the clout of… THE WHITE HOUSE. Ha, ha! I’m sure Move On.org and countless other Leftie organizations do the same things as PJTV. But in the end, they, like all opinionated groups, are simply venting hot air. When the government, which has real power to coerce or control, starts making lists, that’s a whole other ball game.
Consider how last year Chavez issued a presidential diktat that mandated the formation of community monitoring groups for citizens to report on their neighbors if they said anything “fishy”. If PJTV said that, who’d care? If the White House did… well let’s not go there, shall we?
Now and Then (81):
Let’s see.
One is the U.S. government asking people to report on their neighbors. Said government being led by people associated with ACORN, the Black Panthers, and the Chicago political machine (not to mention students of Saul Alinski). Seeing the history, associations, and teachers of the current president one might legitimately fear that he is gathering this information in order to suppress free speech.
The other is a news-reporting website. Said videos, photos, and text will be posted and discussed. American Thinker, of course, does not have control of a police force, an investigative agency, or a military arm. Nor does it have a history of fostering subversion or intimidation of opponents. On the other hand, free and informed discussion is a long tradition in western civilization.
Off hand, I’d say comparing the two is rather like comparing apples and hand-grenades.
The Democrats’ Missing History
By JEFFREY LORD
“So what’s missing?
• There is no reference to the number of Democratic Party platforms supporting slavery. There were six from 1840 through 1860.
• There is no reference to the number of Democratic presidents who owned slaves. There were seven from 1800 through 1861
• There is no reference to the number of Democratic Party platforms that either supported segregation outright or were silent on the subject. There were 20, from 1868 through 1948.
• There is no reference to “Jim Crow” as in “Jim Crow laws,” nor is there reference to the role Democrats played in creating them. These were the post-Civil War laws passed enthusiastically by Democrats in that pesky 52-year part of the DNC’s missing years. These laws segregated public schools, public transportation, restaurants, rest rooms and public places in general (everything from water coolers to beaches). The reason Rosa Parks became famous is that she sat in the “whites only” front section of a bus, the “whites only” designation the direct result of Democrats.
• There is no reference to the formation of the Ku Klux Klan, which, according to Columbia University historian Eric Foner, became “a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party.” Nor is there reference to University of North Carolina historian Allen Trelease’s description of the Klan as the “terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.”
• There is no reference to the fact Democrats opposed the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the Constitution. The 13th banned slavery. The 14th effectively overturned the infamous 1857 Dred Scott decision (made by Democratic pro-slavery Supreme Court justices) by guaranteeing due process and equal protection to former slaves. The 15th gave black Americans the right to vote.
• There is no reference to the fact that Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1866. It was passed by the Republican Congress over the veto of President Andrew Johnson, who had been a Democrat before joining Lincoln’s ticket in 1864. The law was designed to provide blacks with the right to own private property, sign contracts, sue and serve as witnesses in a legal proceeding.
• There is no reference to the Democrats’ opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1875. It was passed by a Republican Congress and signed into law by President Ulysses Grant. The law prohibited racial discrimination in public places and public accommodations.
• There is no reference to the Democrats’ 1904 platform, which devotes a section to “Sectional and Racial Agitation,” claiming the GOP’s protests against segregation and the denial of voting rights to blacks sought to “revive the dead and hateful race and sectional animosities in any part of our common country,” which in turn “means confusion, distraction of business, and the reopening of wounds now happily healed.”
• There is no reference to four Democratic platforms, 1908-20, that are silent on blacks, segregation, lynching and voting rights as racial problems in the country mount. By contrast the GOP platforms of those years specifically address “Rights of the Negro” (1908), oppose lynching (in 1912, 1920, 1924, 1928) and, as the New Deal kicks in, speak out about the dangers of making blacks “wards of the state.”
• There is no reference to the Democratic Convention of 1924, known to history as the “Klanbake.” The 103-ballot convention was held in Madison Square Garden. Hundreds of delegates were members of the Ku Klux Klan, the Klan so powerful that a plank condemning Klan violence was defeated outright. To celebrate, the Klan staged a rally with 10,000 hooded Klansmen in a field in New Jersey directly across the Hudson from the site of the convention. Attended by hundreds of cheering convention delegates, the rally featured burning crosses and calls for violence against African-Americans and Catholics.
• There is no reference to the fact that it was Democrats who segregated the federal government, at the direction of President Woodrow Wilson upon taking office in 1913. There is no reference to the fact that President Harry Truman integrated the military after World War II.
• There is reference to the fact that Democrats created the Federal Reserve Board, passed labor and child welfare laws, and created Social Security with Wilson’s New Freedom and FDR’s New Deal. There is no mention that these programs were created as the result of an agreement to ignore segregation and the lynching of blacks. Neither is there a reference to the thousands of local officials, state legislators, state governors, U.S. congressmen and U.S. senators who were elected as supporters of slavery and then segregation between 1800 and 1965. Nor is there reference to the deal with the devil that left segregation and lynching as a way of life in return for election support for three post-Civil War Democratic presidents, Grover Cleveland, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.
• There is no reference that three-fourths of the opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Bill in the U.S. House came from Democrats, or that 80% of the “nay” vote in the Senate came from Democrats. Certainly there is no reference to the fact that the opposition included future Democratic Senate leader Robert Byrd of West Virginia (a former Klan member) and Tennessee Senator Albert Gore Sr., father of Vice President Al Gore.
• Last but certainly not least, there is no reference to the fact that Birmingham, Ala., Public Safety Commissioner Bull Connor, who infamously unleashed dogs and fire hoses on civil rights protestors, was in fact-yes indeed-a member of both the Democratic National Committee and the Ku Klux Klan.”
Democrats used the racist KKK as their thugs and now they are using the racist Black Panthers as their thugs. Some things never change.
Perhaps we should just all add our names to the government dissent list. I’d rather report myself than have someone else do it. This is what I sent to the White House e-mail server.
“How can you justify this? Encouraging citizens to inform on each other? Really? What happened to the “patriotism of dissent” argument used before the last election? I disagree with the scatter shot approach you have taken to Health care, and the rush to pass legislation. I’ve not been spreading misinformation, but you may as well add me to your list.”
Len Hamm
lenhamm@gmail.com
I wonder if Obama knows his Democratic Congress just voted for 550 MILLION DOLLARS for new jets? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124960404730212955.html
Who knew Liberal Democrats were so fiscally conservative (besides being torch bearers for free speech)?
There’s your HopeNChange. I think I’ll report this. I’m sure Obama will find it “fishy”.
Beware! Big Brother is watching! I read the novel “1984″ fifty years ago. I never dreamt I would see such things in the United States. Regrettably that is exactly what is happening here, and Big Brother is no one other than the President of the United States!
Re #105 Moho: You claim that none of us complained about Bush’s terrorism tactics. How the hell do you know that? Your argument is that since Bush did it, it’s okay for Obama? WTF?!
ARE YOU AGAINST OMAMA COLLECTING INFO ON AMERICANS AS HE IS NOW? Well?
C’mon Moho….WHERE’S YOUR OUTRAGE NOW???????????????????????????????????????/
Re #108 Info: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome information that I will enjoy sharing with others. Thank you!
(FYI…Gird your loins for the ensuing label of “racist” that will soon be slung at you from the liberal terrorists here.)
Moho (51)
(re Bush administration telephone surveillance)
Actually, Bush’s administration went out of the way to keep the law, and never broke it as far as I know. Of course it would be nice if some people actually researched facts, but I realize that that is difficult.
The whole telephone surveillance issue is complex, both technically and legally. In order to appreciate it you have to realize a few things: first, the majority of the worlds telephone communications are routed through the US on the fiber-optic networks, simply because we started the whole network. Second, it is not illegal to eavesdrop on communications which start and end outside of the U.S. The situation is similar to listening in on a radio conversation between two people just over the border – and this was the legal precedent used. There was legal wrangling over whether a conversation that was initiated overseas to a U.S. endpoint could be similarly listened to. What was plain was that conversations which originated in the US, and especially those that began and ended in the US, were subject to warrent.
As for warrents, two points: You might notice that the Bush administration got warrents in every case but this one, so willingness to obtain warrents was obviously not a factor. This was really a matter of jurisdiction, the Bush administration insisting – legimitately – that what it was doing was perfectly legal and outside the realm of congressional jurisdiction. And yes, the appropriate members of the congressional intelligence agencies were briefed. The other factor is volume. Despite claims by Bush’s opponents that the warrents were “easy”, in fact the application for a warrent involves several dozen pages of form and days of time. If you know what you’re looking for, this is one thing. When you need to examine thousands of calls to find the one or two that have actionable material it is another.
It is really quote humorous, Moho. You and your ilk insist that Bush was a fascist and infringed on our rights, despite the lack of any evidence. On the other hand, when people present evidence that President Obama’s administration is actually doing what you accused Bush of, you dismiss it as delusioned ravings.
Well, Anonymous that’s exactly what I’m not arguing. In fact, I argue on a regular basis that the policies that Obama is continuing from the Bush administration are wrong and need to be stopped. I also oppose his continued support of war in Afghanistan and Iraq and have been quite vocal about it. In terms of his legislative successes, they’ve been middling at best. The only good thing about Obama is that he’s not a continuation of the disastrous party that ran things for the past eight years. In fact, I have a lot of problems with him, but he couldn’t be as bad as the numbskulls you people had in mind. And at least, he’s brought you crazed people out into the open.
The fact is that Obama is not involved in surveillance of any of these people–you have no proof of it, not even the suggestion of it. When you’re public, you’re in public my friend and if Lanny Davis, the police or Rush Limbaugh wants to take your picture and find out who you are, that’s perfectly legal. This is just more bs and it can be thrown in the same pile of refuse where your birther, euthenasia, muslim and other low-intellectual threshold theories go.
I’m pretty sure you didn’t oppose the issues I mentioned when Bush backed them, but you’re welcome to provide the points of your opposition now.
The Nazis and Communists were also only interested in stopping disinformation being spread by disloyal citizens. They really get a bad rap from you wingers who try to make them out to be a LOT worse than they were.
I don’t know why you wingnuts are so worried about being turned in. As long as you patriotically support Obama’s policies you’ll be fine. If you’d stop with the lying and the treasonous dissent, there wouldn’t be any problem.
“50. jharp:
“but the bizarre points they are making. One man in a YouTube clip said adamantly that he wanted the “government to keep their mitts off his MediCare.”
A classic. Remember that we’re dealing with a group who organized tax protests after Obama cut taxes for 95% of us.
You are right. It is nothing but blind ignorant rage. They have no idea what they are protesting.
And now they are in a panic because Obama want’s to share the facts with the American people.
Aug 8, 2009 – 11:43 am”
This is the second time you claim that “Obama cut taxes for 95% of us.” Are you that delusional? There have been no reductions in the taxes in this country in the six months Obama has been president. Where are you getting this cr*p from, the DNC? The Whitehouse? Obama has done no such thing. And if he has his way taxes will have to go up, the only other alternative is national default.
You ObamaBots are either stunningly ignorant or willfully deceitful. Actually maybe both.
‘You didn’t tell us the name of the law, because you didn’t expect us to know the name of the law? ‘
Jeez, another reading challenged tool in the harpo tradition.
No, tool. What I said was that I described its relevance to the issue at hand because I did not expect abysmally stupid tools to be capable of researching or understanding it. (Which relevance seems to have passed over your head anyway.) I did mention 1974. Which appears to have been a mistake because the best you could do with that information was miss it by 4 years and try to run with FISA.
‘In any case, the Bush administration rolled back part of the privacy act for the Department of Homeland Security.’
The exemptions you reference are very limited in scope and very strictly interpreted.
And have to do with air travel.
And have nothing whatsover to do with the White House soliciting information on private citizens who oppose their political agenda.
Which means that despite my advice, you did not research the law. Not when you had the year it was passed and a description of why it was passed and it’s relevance. Nor when you had the complete name.
All you did was google it and parrot the first thing that came up that you thought would stigmatize Bush.
Who did not solicit information on private citizens who opposed his political agenda and who has nothing whatsover to do with Obama doing so.
You know, I think you may be even more Pavlovian in your reflexive tendency to reinforce the impression of your partisan stupidity than harpo. And that is no mean feat.
Sharper tools, please.
“60. jharp:
elvis:
“hahahaha… and it also cracks me up that these trolls think that “95% of us” have received tax cuts.”
It is true. You think you’re being cute but you are being stupid. I had to educate Commuter on this some time ago. Here you go. The website of the IRS.
“For 2009 and 2010, the Making Work Pay provision of ARRA provides a refundable tax credit of up to $400 for working individuals and $800 for married taxpayers filing joint returns.”
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=206038,00.html
Aug 8, 2009 – 12:39 pm”
That’s just plain stupid. That’s not a tax cut, its a tax deferment. Obama just kicked the can down the road for two years — with borrowed money. Where is the money coming from? We’re going to borrow it from China and let our kids try to pay it back; print it and let inflation screw us out of it; or raise taxes to try to fix the deficit. I swear there must be a test to be a Democrat; if you pass economics you can’t get in.
The fact that Bush remains the central reference point for Obamaphiles means they are falling back on a propaganda campaign that helped them before, but can’t help them now–it means they don’t have much that’s working now. They have massive spending bills presented to us, right now Obamacare, which they can only defend in the most pathetic terms–it will cut costs. Not only is there no reason to believe this, but it’s the most mealy-mouthed, bureaucratic reason from transforming the entire health-care/insurance industry (for such “smart” people, what does their entire political philosophy come down to?–we should be more efficient). They don’t have a majority of Americans, which means somewhere along the way–House or Senate–they will get derailed, or the thing will get whittled down to something relatively harmless; they know this, and are lashing out. I’m not interested in dialogue with the Left, which is essentially a cult; I’m just interested in diagnosis–all the signs, especially Obama’s call for his enemies to “stop talking” and “get out of the way”, point to panic and meltdown. That’s all that really matters here–the focus on Bush increases in direct proportion to uncertainty about Obama. It’s a helpful metric.
Here’s an interesting counter to the fishy email program:
http://www.ledeagenda.com/2009/08/08/foia-flagwhitehousegov/
No one ever lost any rights to the Patriot Act.
However it seems that if I disagree with the Left on health care “reform”, I’ve already lost my First Amendment right to Freedom of Speech – and Obamacare hasn’t even passed yet.
All of this is common history and not a mystery to anyone, perhaps, but the people here. What I always wonder about is how the history of racial oppression as written by the ganglion powered Republican masses end in the late sixties. You are aware that Nixon’s strategy for victory was to pick up all of the racist Southerners who could no longer abide their Democratic party’s civil rights work, right? It was called the Southern strategy, and it was developed by Patrick Buchanan. Here’s a a little history lesson to complete your oh so meticulous culling of White racist politics….
From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that… but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/books/phillips-southern.pdf
…in essence, the most virulently racist Democrats became Republicans at the invitation of Nixon. Republican conservatives who were not racist were, for the most part, unable to tolerate the anti-intellectual antagonism that accompanied that transformation and they became independents or Democrats. Literally, your party is the inheritor of that history you so helpfully posted. Its quite obvious you all are fine with that, but I just wish you’d grow some balls and come out with it instead of always accusing someone else of being the racist.
#108
Nor is there mention of the fact that simply speaking German in public in this country during WWI was an offense that could land a citizen in jail. This was of course under Woodrow Wilson. Nor is there any mention of the fact that simple critical remarks of the government during WWI could land you in jail, as the man who told a representative selling bonds house to house found out, sentenced to jail for I believe 10 years for the crime of telling the representative that the government could go to hell. Or the mention of the fact that the Wilson administration sent troops to Russia to fight the communists, leaving them there after WWI. Or that the first “red scare” took place during Wilson’s admin. Or that Wilson thought the movie “Birth of a Nation” was a great, true to life movie and screened it in the WH, the movie was of course about the KKK.
But that was the old left after all.
The 1960′s brought the New Left, that is what they called themselves by the way. And the New Left brought you—–Obama.
I see jharp and pals have received their marching orders from the Borg Queen, and the vilification of concerned Americans will continue. And what is it that the putrid libtards so desperately defend?
Proceed to the CBO website and bask in the federal goodness of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. This is what they defend: more intrusive government failing on the largest possible scale, leading to national bankruptcy.
And we’re the idiots?
jharp, you fell for the classic bait-and-switch. Sure, the making work pay credit lowers INCOME taxes, but INCOME tax cuts does not necessarily mean taxes go down. Not when Obama passed the largest tobacco tax hike of all time and was attempting to pass a giant energy tax. But you only want to focus on the income tax, while neglecting everything else. You’re either a sucker who’s not paying attention to what else is going on, or you’re a lying, willfully obfuscating the fact that other taxes that hit the lower 95% are being hiked even as a token cut is given on income taxes.
For all you dissenters who are bashing the President’s visionary Health Care Plan, how many of your realize that Kenneth Gladney will have to pay 5 percent of his hospital bills out of his own money. That’s the problem with private insurance.
Under the Obama plan, it all would be covered by rich taxpayers who make over $100,000 dollars per year.
And before I get off the Gladney thing, I truly do hope Kenneth learned his lesson. You can’t criticize Obama around red white and blue patriotic union workers and get away with it.
Like Michelle joked to Obama today, Gladney make the mistake of trying to hit the union workers fist with the top of his head. It hardly ever works.
Actually, my second cousin, Remis, was a union worker before he went on disability and never allowed anyone around him to talk against the then President Carter, who, incidentally, was one of my personal heroes growing up.
If you bad mouthed Jimmy, especially when Remis was drinking, you were in for the fight of your life.
Sadly, there’s an unhappy footnote to this story. After an evening of Colt 45′s, the beer, while driving home, Remis got confused and tried to enter 57, a state road in Illinois going up the exit ramp ( it must have been poorly marked). Anyway, he hit another car head on, and broke three ribs, cut his forehead which needed 9 stitches. The family in the other car must have been driving a clunker because the gas tank exploded and that was that.
The real tragedy was that Remis lost his license for a year.
I guess the point is: my family believes in protecting the good name of the President albeit the Democratic ones.
From now on I just wish good things for Barack.
Adjusted tax increases on the middle and upper classes.
Passage of efficient government run and fairly rationed health care.
A liberalized food stamp program.
Jail time for anyone who takes the name of our President in vain.
A three strikes and you’re out proposal meaning if someone like me overhears you either plotting President Obama’s defeat in the 2012 election or saying fishy things about the President three times in a row, you’re to be visited by the FBI, your phone is to be tapped and any other misbehavior will constitute an assault on the President followed by not less than six months in jail.
That should throw some cold water on libertarian and Republican “back talk.”
Change has come today as we used to say on Obama’s election day.
We won. You lost. If you’re reported to be conspiring to hurt the President in any way, the Sonia Sotomeyor led federal courts will throw the whole constitution at you and yours.
If you don’t like it, maybe it’s time to leave.
I don’t mean to sound threatening, but, like Barack said in his campaign; “Yes we can.”
@ Praetorian
You are projecting like a Primary Beam;
Is your repeated reference to the murdering
of a child a warning, or a threat ?
Sadly, there is a possibility for violence
at these Town Hall Meetings, by one side,
or the other, or an Agent Provocateur in
the shadows with a sniper rifle. It will
be a personal tragedy for the victims, but
will make zero difference in the outcome;
If the Democratic CongressCritters who see
themselves vulnerable to defeat in 2010
see enough opposition to the HealthCare
Bill, they will vote it down; Democracy
in action.
81 “Now and Then:
Am I the only one who sees the irony between conservatives complaining about Obama gathering misleading information from citizens and this: “PJTV is soliciting citizen reporters to cover the ongoing town hall meetings on health care reform. Post videos, photos, and text”
You righties really gotta proofread more.”
a typical liberal mindset…can’t see the difference between PJM’s goal of excercising free speech by reporting event to Obama’s goal of stopming on free speech by blacklisting protesters.
drank too much kool aid did ya?!
Re 114 Moho: Contrary to what MSNBC spoonfed you, Conservatives are quite a savvy crowd and I won’t fall for the usual liberal MO of changing the topic back to Bush at every uncomfortable turn. I disagreed with Bush on several key fronts. The problem for YOU is that Bush is no longer President (unfortunately) and Obama has been gifted with a SUPER MAJORITY in Congress so he has free reign to do what he pleases.
What Obama pleases:
* Almost tripling the national debt.
* Encouraging citizens to nark on fellow citizens who disagree with Dear Leader.
* Allowing Pelosi and Reid to write a health care bill (tragedy) that Americans are outraged about and that Obama has now publicly said he doesn’t want to hear from.
* 550 MILLION DOLLARS for new jets for Congressional use
* Allowing voter intimidation by the Black Panthers to go unpunished.
* Claiming “The Recession is Over!” when the unemployment rate is 9.4%
* Not telling the American citizens what was offered NKorea in exchange for two of Gore’s journalists.
* Allowing Pelosi to label the CIA as liars.
* Calling policeman “stupid” when personal friend involved in arrest.
Sure Moho, it’s pretty obvious why you’d love to guide the conversation back to Bush. The other liberal terrorists that frequent here use the same tactic.
#127 Actually, my second cousin, Remis, was a union worker before he went on disability and never allowed anyone around him to talk against the then President Carter, who, incidentally, was one of my personal heroes growing up.
you’ve just lost all credibility after that statement.
just about all points in your statement is a declaration of misguided liberalism.
Riddle me this, Obamacare fans!
Obama says our current system is untenable, it’s bankrupting families, businesses, and even the government. But then he says if you’re happy with your plan, you can keep it.
So the system is an unsustainable disaster, but you can keep your piece if you want??
Obama says one of the key reasons to implement this plan is to curtail our spiraling healthcare costs. But how do you reduce costs while expanding coverage to 35 million more people?? (I say 35 million because the oft-quoted 45 million uninsured “Americans” includes 10 million illegal aliens.)
If Obama’s reform DOES cut costs, why is Congress looking to raise taxes to pay for the plan? It took the Congressional Budget Office to finally come out and state the obvious: the current proposals will NOT cut costs, if anything, they will raise them. (see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/16/AR2009071602242.html )
So if Obama’s reform DOESN’T cut costs, how is it any better from the current system, which is bankrupting us all? Though more expensive, the logic goes, it’ll cut the average American’s cost, because any additional cost will be offset by higher taxes only on the “richest 5%.” If that were so, explain to me this recent quote from the Chicago Tribune: (http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2009/08/white_house_middleclass_taxes.html )
“Both Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and chief economic adviser Lawrence Summers had suggested during appearances on the Sunday morning news talk shows that tax increases cannot be ruled out for Americans earning less than the threshold that the president has set [of $250,000]. ”
Even the administration’s money men understand that “the rich” are not a bottomless money pit. Financing for the massive subsidies being proposed will eventually have to come from somewhere else. Either middle class taxes or the deficit will rise, or costs will be cut -raising the specter of rationing.
Obama nobly states we need reform to cover the uninsured. But 25% of the uninsured ALREADY qualify for coverage in federal programs (they simply haven’t enrolled, see http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload/7613.pdf ). And, according to the 2007 US Census data (http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/p60-235.pdf ), another 33% have incomes over $50,000, so could afford insurance, but (as many are 25-35 and healthy) choose not to get it. Obama’s noble gesture, of extending them healthcare coverage would not only force them to pay for insurance, but to pay more than they would under the current system. Why? Obama is pushing for mandated community rating (which forces companies to average out premiums, regardless of age or health risk factors), hence this group’s historically low premiums would be averaged out with the higher premiums other age groups pay. Many analysts on the left say this is good, because the excess payments by the young can offset the high costs for the old. But wait a minute, wasn’t this supposed to be a noble gesture to the uninsured? Is this something being done for them, or to them?
Obama repeatedly said he would not govern for the special interests groups or lobbyists that crawl through Washigton, and that his will be a “transparent” administration. Then expain to me this excerpt from Wednesday’s NYT : (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/policy/06insure.html )
“Pressed by industry lobbyists, White House officials on Wednesday assured drug makers that the administration stood by a behind-the-scenes deal to block any Congressional effort to extract cost savings from them beyond an agreed-upon $80 billion….
“The new attention to the agreement could prove embarrassing to the White House, which has sought to keep lobbyists at a distance, including by refusing to hire them to work in the administration….
“But failing to publicly confirm [pharmaceutical trade group leader Billy Tauzin's] descriptions of the deal risked alienating a powerful industry ally CURRENTLY HELPING TO BANKROLL MILLIONS IN TELEVISION COMMERCIALS IN FAVOR OF MR. OBAMA’S REFORMS.” (my emphasis).
The simple truth is that Obamacare, by forcing costly minimum benefits packages yet regulating premiums and deductibles will make private insurance very expensive. It will be difficult for private for-profit companies -which must run in the black- to compete with a non-profit public system that can run indefinitely on deficit spending. Private insurance will be choked, and millions will migrate to the government program and it’s low premiums. As the numbers swell, so will the deficit spending, as skyrocketing healthcare costs are not reduced, but merely shifted into the public sector. In the end, we will either need to raise more taxes, or cut spending -one way or another.
Overall costs will not drop. Many of the uninsured will finally have healthcare, but over half of these either didn’t need or didn’t want expanded coverage. What will these programs achieve? As in so many Left Wing fairy tales, millions will purportedly live happily ever after, as the government assumes the responsibility for their costs. But where will the government get the money to take care of its people? From the rich, of course! So once again the mask falls, and this is exposed as yet another massive transfer of wealth scheme. Even the Democrat’s own heroes, FDR, and LBJ, insisted that Social Security and Medicare be funded through payroll taxes, so that everyone had a stake in the programs. Today, talk of “let the government take care of it’s people” are merely thinly veiled demands to “make the rich pay.” Underneath the Left’s “Share the Health” chants, you can almost hear the “Share the Wealth” slogans of old.
Who knew that the liberals would be reduced to holding up Social Security and Medicare as the gold standards in government programs? Did the official Obama talking points website forget to mention that these programs are on the brink of bankruptcy?
Note to jharp and moho, Social Security and Medicare SUCK.
Why didn’t the Democratic SUPER MAJORITY vote to make sure they would be on Obama’s plan too?
jharp – You need to stop drinking the koolaid and start looking around you. That famous statement of Dear Leader that he cut taxes for 95 % is an out and out lie, and you showed your stupidly in repeating it. This also shows that you should not be submitting comments on this blog. The fact that you do not know the difference from a government handout (welfare), and a cut in the tax rate shows just how shallow you are. Dear Leader gave everyone funds from the US Treasury (welfare), and has not changed the tax rate……….WAKE UP IDIOT !!!!
Dear Leader wants us all on the plantation where he can control us. He is without a doubt the most radical president in the history of our country. All you have to do is stop drinking the koolaid and start listening to what he actually said on the campaign trail, read his speeches, read about his background, and inspect the backgrounds and speeches of his close advisors and appointees.
Your failure to comprehend the real dangers of this guy is what is really scary to me, the uninformed electorate who exercise their privilege to vote and have no idea what they are really voting for.
MYTH: Obamacare will not expand abortions in the US. Nowhere in the proposed “minimum basic coverage” packages is abortion mentioned.
FACT: Unless explicitly excluded, the courts have consistently declared abortions to be implicitly included in healthcare coverage.
Since the 1970s, federal courts have regularly interpreted the “mandatory categories of care” within Medicaid to include abortion and thus mandate abortion coverage:
Planned Parenthood Affiliates of Michigan v. Engler: “abortion fits within many of the mandatory care categories, including ‘family planning,’ ‘outpatient services,’ ‘inpatient services,’ and ‘physicians’ services.’ 73 F.3d 634, 636 (6th Cir. 1996)
Preterm, Inc. v. Dukakis held that abortion is covered by Medicaid and implicitly concluded within the mandatory Medicaid categories. 591 F.2d 121, 125 (1st Cir. 1979).
Hope Medical Group for Women v. Edwards: a state statute limiting Medicaid-funded abortion procedures was “inconsistent with the broad objective of Title XIX [of the Social Security Act] to provide needed medical care to qualified recipients….Although Title XIX does not specifically include abortion as a mandatory service, the parties concede that abortion services fall under several of the eight broad categories of medical services mandated by the Act, including inpatient hospital services, outpatient hospital services, physician’s services, and family planning services.” 63 F.3d 418, 425, 428 (5th Cir. 1995).
So unless explicitly excluded (good luck getting Congress to do that), Obamacare WILL cover abortions across the nation. Couple this with the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) which Obama’s pro-choice minions are so desperate to enact, and you have a recepie for government-funded abortion on demand, with no restrictions and no parental consents required. If that doesn’t promote expansion, I don’t know what could.
If you’re pro-choice, I guess this will have little impact on your opinion for Obamacare. But for any pro-lifers out there still cheering for Mr. Obama’s health plan, you should read the fine print.
I’m more convinced than ever after reading this thread that this country is heading toward a crackup. Sweet. Let the losers like jharp, moho and Praetorian actually SHOW that they can make these unsustainable schemes work in their own part of the country, instead of just SAY that they will work. If we split the country in half, I bet their schemes will work even better than they would if they applied them to the whole country, since they won’t have us stupids around to mess them up. Right, guys? Put your political money where your fat, lying mouths are. If these plans are so awesome, why share them with those of us who so clearly don’t deserve your humanitarian largesse? Just let us wallow in our ignorance, occupying the red counties of this country, while you live it up in your universal health care blue utopian counties. Please?
“60. jharp:
‘I had to educate Commuter on this some time ago.’
Still ankle biting harpo? I pulled your nonsense apart. One tax hike already in place, tobacco, and your 95$% fantasy fell apart. And that was just the start. Just the start.
I’ve lately seen you proudly proclaim that you’d be happy to be the first tool to pay the increase in taxes for socialized medicine and in the same thread make your silly 95% claim. While that is a mildly amusing look into the contradictions that make up the generically dull line of progressive tools, it also reveals just how irredeemably stuck on stupid you, personally, are.
And you have no idea that you do it.
Sharper tools please.
Obama’s Tax Plan is Really a Welfare Plan
This August 19, 2008 WSJ op-ed by the Institute for Policy Innovation’s Director of Entitlement and Budget Policy Peter Ferrara was discussed at length, spawning quite a few critiques readily available all over the net. Here’s but one example (bolding mine):
A new op/ed published today in the Wall Street Journal exposes Barack Obama’s tax plan as a combination of increased tax rates for every major federal tax along with a series of federal spending programs hidden in the tax code as “refundable tax credits”. Author of the op/ed…calls the plan “The New Tax Welfare,” explaining that the refundable tax credits Obama proposes would primarily go to those who already pay little or nothing in federal income taxes. Such tax credits would primarily involve not reductions in anyone’s tax liability, but checks from the federal government to the tax filers. Ferrara says that calling such credits tax cuts “is an abuse of the language.”
According to Ferrara, “The Obama tax plan would sharply increase real taxes. It also would come nowhere near to paying for the massive increases in federal spending he has proposed, including the New Tax Welfare tax credits.” The tax plan turns tax reform on its head, and would cause a sharp economic decline and a flight from the dollar, he adds.
this August 2008 article was a head-turner for me –it was the first alert that meanings of words were up for grabs. The use of the technical term ‘tax credit’ for what is a ‘direct payment’ –the ‘abuse of the language’ noted above –was a critical move on these people’s part –they were going to see if they could get away with the simple subterfuge of having the welfare payments sent out by IRS instead of HHS, and so get away with redefining a valuable and necessary policy term.
It worked, there was almost no press analysis calling him on it.
The only question (and it’s not really much of one) is whether fools like the braggo above who is so tickled with himself over conning some freebies while he “nailed, nailed” (he says) his no-doubt-embarrassed hosts –really himself understands what he’s chortling at when he chortles at someone else for not understanding what a tax credit is.
Or if like everything else it’s just whatever he’s been told to say it is –which he does diligently every fifth or so comment, betraying the classic sign of a state ward beginning to sweat his meal ticket.
New snitch addresses:
LiberalKids.Flag.WhiteHouse.Gov is for kids who want to rat out parents
Hillary.Flag.WhiteHouse.Gov to report anyone supporting Hill against the Messiah.
Thugs.Flag.WhiteHouse.Gov to report anyone who opposes labor union goons.
Laurie, good parody –great O-bot spoofing –maybe you shumped the jark a wee bit with ‘jail time for taking the president’s name in vain’ but as the lefties say, “Whose counting, your GOOD!”.
@ 102 jharp: ““Your reference to the “make work pay” tax cut for 95% of us is foolish… … it can actually be claimed by people who don’t owe any taxes at all as a rebate. You know that that means, genius? The 95% of us are paying more taxes than we should. The “cut” is actually designed to redistribute tax dollars paid by 95% of us to those who pay none.”
Nonsense. That is flat out false. Do you even understand the concept of payroll taxes? Do you have any idea of what they are?”
No, it’s not false. The credit is refundable. Look up what that means since you won’t believe me. But the rest of the folks on here probably understand that it means that if you owe no federal taxes, you still get to claim the credit, and Uncle Sam cuts you a check. Nothing false about that. It’s a cleverly designed social welfare vehicle delivered under the guise of a “cut”. That neat little trick has nothing to do with the amount of your personal withholding (assuming you do actually work) and how that’s affected by the “cut”. You must be focused on the fact that it temporarily gives some of us more money in our take home pay — of course you would only think that far. But the refundable nature of the credit increases the overall burden on all taxpayers, doesn’t it? Now, it gets tricky, but that last requires that you understand my more subtle point, so why don’t I explain it in terms a 3 year old might understand? The US government is presently borrowing money. Proffering this kind of tax “cut” increases the amount of this borrowing. You can do it through payroll taxes, call it a deduction, call it a pink elephant — it still has to be paid back, only with interest. Which means the cut is not really a cut so much as payday loan appearing in the form of less tax withholding, every dime of which creates a need for debt service (that’s interest payments to you in the peanut gallery) coming out of other tax dollars, present and future. BHO is telling us we’re getting a cut, but is actually borrowing the money from our future taxes that we will pay to do that. Ironic, isn’t it? Sorry, did BHO say something about billing rich people for that too? I can’t keep it straight. But don’t worry — the same applies whenever a republican cuts taxes, so when they swing around again, cut-and-paste my post and you can ‘nail them’ as it were.
@ MOHO 92:Lenny:
“”You consider the citation you offered proof of something? A NYT article that quotes a politician’s opinion about whether something is legal? You actually do think that’s proof? You obviously do not understand the legislative branch of government, what its powers are and are not, and how it actually functions in practice. A legislator’s opinion is exactly that: an opinion, just like yours and mine.”
You’re really this stupid? This negates your own point about Obama’s alleged monitoring of political speech. The only people to call it a crime are you buttonheads. My god, you people just aren’t equipped for any sort of political dialogue. You make more sense when you’re shouting.”
Come again? Adults actually explain their points, I sure would like to here yours explained. You think that some legislator spouting off his opinions (and you cockily calling that proof, which was my point) is the same as BHO collecting names of opinion-holders — and using federal agency resources to do so? Buddy, the only thing legislators do is write laws, write budgets, hold “oversight” hearings of federal agencies… and oh yes, hold press conferences and do a whole lot of talking (and sleeping with lobbyists too, can’t forget that). BHO has a legislative role in signing laws, but he is also the head of executive government — and if you took social studies in high school you’d understand that while some countries have both presidents and prime ministers, ours is one and the same. Anyway, it is his role as head of government that is at issue here, quite different than being one hundreds of law-writers in the legislative branch. I just don’t see the negation, so please explain. How is a legislator popping off at the mouth the same thing as BHO collecting names associated with opinions? Looking forward to it. I really hate it when I negate my own points, it is very frustrating.
4. Laurie Thompson: Bogus.
10. Evil: “Any questions..?”
Was she hallucinating?
19. Mark Epstein: Hanging out on the “Enemies List”:
“Ah, but just like Hitler, Obama and his supporters vilify their opponents in the same manner as Hitler vilified the Jews.”
Tell that to Limbo, Beck, Coulter, O’Really, Lawry, Hannity, etc.
21. alex: “Why is anyone surprised…??
President Obama is doing what President Bush did before him, and will get away with it because Conservatives assisted President Bush to commit those acts, and Liberals will assist President Obama to continue them”
Right on target. But, what a shame . . .
27. tanstaafl:
“But this stuff, this “we’ve got the Answers, so shut up, America” stuff boggles my mind.”
Who said that? Bush, Cheney? Oh, no, they didn’t say it, they did it.
37. ~Paules:
“We’re going to have to depose him before we’re rid of him.”
We went through that with Bush, didn’t we?
39. beach bum:
“If we do not force the slimy politicians to uphold their oath to the law of the land, the United States Constitution, the country is lost.”
You’re talking about Republicans, right?
40. LennyB:
“the mindset of the liberal . . . They see themselves as elite persons running America.”
This could be true, u r onto something.
“My firm opinion is that BHO has not yet acquired the experience and wisdom to conduct himself in presidential fashion.”
This is probably 15% true. He’ll learn, and you’ll get used to it.
46. Praetorian:
“I’m sorry but these hooligans need to be monitored. We knew it would only be a matter of time. Now the mob is encouraging its members to arm themselves at town hall meetings. . . . But this is blind panic, rage, and ignorance. Not to mention upset that they lost the election and hate having a Black President. These people are anything but patriots. They are the enemy within and should be treated like domestic terrorists.”
That’s what they want us to believe. We have seen this behavior before and we know that there are some hidden brains behind it. Who has the most to lose with some decent healthcare plan? The insurers, some greedy doctors, pharmaceutical companies. They know how to move feeble-minded people around and create ‘chaos’. This whole thing smells like an old sock.
61. Laurie Thompson: still hallucinating.
87. AtheistConservative:
“Oh, nonsense. When did President Bush ask people to report citizens who opposed his policies to the White House? ”
Never heard of wiretapping?
120. adam:
“The fact that Bush remains the central reference point for Obamaphiles means they are falling back on a propaganda campaign that helped them before,”
You can’t change History.
Laurie: Your poignant satire has completely pwnd several posters here! Bless You!
Buddy,
So Vivo used the word bogus which pins his growing up period as being around 16 when Fast Times at Ridgemont High came out (1982) so he’s about 43 years old.
Midlife crisis age. I say he’s in retail. Maybe sells TV sets, is unmarried, drives an old Civic and was picked on constantly in high school.
Now sits in front of his food soiled computer in a dirty undershirt with a wall full of porno movies to assuage his creepy self image.
Anyway, that’s my profiling try of the day. If I’m wrong, Vivo, let me know. But don’t be a pompous prick about it. Just talk normally or I won’t be your friend. And heavens to betsy, you don’t have an overabundance of those if your social life revolves around old Harry Reams movies and a computer keyboard.
One more thing, Buddy, would you mind giving 131 Chicago a heads up before he spends anymore time chastising me?
All the best,
Laurie
(From today’s moveon.org)
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Rachel talk:
The folks at moveon.org certainly do know how to put venom, outrage, disgust and indignation into their words.
What a bunch of pansy asses. It’s like a school girl wrote the lead to their web page.
I’m embarrassed for them.
Incidentally, I was out of the country for three days, and in that time O’snitch abama has caused Bo Derek to rat on Al Franken, calling Franken a leftist pinko commie.
To me, cousin Al is just a pudge ball who most women are so disgusted by they’d rather share a bed with Charlie Manson.
I know. What an awful thought. I shouldn’t have written that. Tonight, it’ll be nightmare city.
Maybe even worse than election night when I dreamed a radical communist was elected dog catcher of Nassau County. No, maybe it was President of the local electricians union. TA for short. Thugs anonymous.
Oh, I almost forgot, tonight just to see if O’ratfink Orama’s fish website would work, I reported my Dad for plotting to overthrow Russia. To me, it’s the kind of thing that would get Obama’s dander up. And make Michelle wet her wedgies.
Tell me, guys, and be honest for once.
Would you rather sleep with Charlie Manson (not that there’s anything wrong with that) or Michelle Obama?
Now I’m not the only one that’s gonna have nightmares. Rachel tricked you.
Anyway, I’ve read a lot of your posts and they’re great. Doc Hanson wrote a good article. Jennifer did, too.
Lenny B, love ya, but paragraphing keeps from putting your reader to sleep.
Buddy, you have good taste.
So guys, in a cute contest who wins? Delia or me. Now I know what both of us look like and one’s blond, beautiful and curvy and the other’s more the girl who plays Monks assistant (I forget her real name).
The best answer gets a free night on the town.
The catch is that you have to live west of the Mississippi. Unless Dad decides to take us all out on the town in New York over the labor day weekend cause he doesn’t trust lil’ ole’ rachel with any of your Romeos. But me and my P-38 can handle ourselves fine in a tight spot. Which reminds me of my joke.
Know what’s the main cause of erectile disfunction in a rapist? A P-38 in the hands of a girl who knows how to use it.
Back to cute.
Dear ole’ Dad’s got the cutest Discover card.
It’s like Obama’s except it’s not taxpayers money. It’s late. Let me get my forty winks. Night guys.
Love you all,
Rachel
And Vivo, open with some witty stuff and I’ll start reading your entire posts. You bad bad Obama boy.
Night, night.
Remember this? I forgot to tell you. The part about keeping tabs on returning veterans I thought up and this Napilapitano(head of home securty) chick picked it up when some wire service or something or other picked it up from something I wrote on PJM which came right out my imagination.
Happened a couple of months ago.
Here’s what the press wrote about the embarrassing incident.
The Department of Homeland Security set off a firestorm earlier this month when a memo surfaced that warned of right-wing extremists. The memo, which was issued to law-enforcement officials, suggested that extremists driven to dire straits by the Obama administration could recruit returning veterans to help produce Timothy McVeigh-like terrorism. Now, The Daily Beast has obtained another DHS memo, and this one identifies an even more far-ranging group of “extremists.”
My Dad always said my place wasn’t in counter intelligence but in waiting on people sitting at the counter. Wrong again, Dad.
Rachel
Y’know, I’ve always found those various medication pitches I get in my email box a bit fishy?
Suppose I should just build a filter to forward them along to flag@whitehouse.gov?
2010………..2010………….2010……….then 2012……..2012……..2012
That’s what they want us to believe. We have seen this behavior before and we know that there are some hidden brains behind it. Who has the most to lose with some decent healthcare plan? The insurers, some greedy doctors, pharmaceutical companies. They know how to move feeble-minded people around and create ‘chaos’. This whole thing smells like an old sock.
Keep telling yourself that. The vast majority of people know that ObamaCare means lower access and higher costs. All they need to do is look at Massachusetts experience with universal health care to see that. The average person is just now waking up to the fact that the Left can’t deliver what it promises. Ever.
I returned from a peaceful retreat to a cabin in the woods (no Internet access, etc.) to learn of the Obama Admin.’s latest absurdities: painting concerned attendees of Town Hall mtgs. as members of an “angry mob,” and the request that info. about e-mailers and bloggers critical of Obama’s health-care plan be reported to the White House.
To say I was stunned was putting it mildly. Almost too Orwellian to be believed. Regarding the info. collection, former federal judge Andrew Napolitano says it’s patently illegal. (Nixon lost a Supreme Court decision over just such a matter.)
And, as for Obama’s general reaction to criticism, I say it is he — and his Chicago cohorts — who are acting thuggishly.
See: A Mob[ster] Mentality http://emmeffemm.com/id171.html
As a lurker from Germany I must tell you I have never heard a president before telling people that many times: “I am the president (therefore I have the right to decide this or that)”. And I also have never seen so many liberals in the Pajamas Media commentator sections raving against the “dumb” “idiots” here. If they are that why do you bother? I can smell the fear and desperation underlying your faked triumphing, dear liberals or progressives or whatever you like to call yourselves you brainwashed products of cultural marxism. Your president is not really sure that he is the president, he knows that he is only pretending as much as you know that you will go down the drain together with his stimuluses. Thats why you rave an rage here. Have fun.
jharp:
“They protested higher taxes after Obama cut taxes for 95% of us for God’s sake”
Yeah- how’s that thirteen bucks a week withholding adjustment working out for you? Save up for a year and you could almost afford a pair of sneakers like Michelle’s.
Unless of course you own a business. Or work for a business. Or buy a product or service from a business. Because Obama has jacked business taxes through the roof.
And who, pray tell, ultimately pays for those taxes, moron?
Besides, are you really so gullible as to stare Obama’s batshit-insane projected deficits in the face and believe he’s not going to come back (with great affectation of remorse) and tell us he’s “forced” to raise taxes?
Gorge the beast, baby.
And just wait until cap-and-trade. As Obeyme said, “your energy bills will skyrocket.”
126. myth buster:
“jharp, you fell for the classic bait-and-switch. Sure, the making work pay credit lowers INCOME taxes, but INCOME tax cuts does not necessarily mean taxes go down. Not when Obama passed the largest tobacco tax hike of all time and was attempting to pass a giant energy tax. But you only want to focus on the income tax, while neglecting everything else.”
Do the math. And this is also for the other simple minded fools who can’t seem to grasp that Obama cut taxes for 95% of us.
If you earn $5,263 in fiscal year 2009 you would own no federal income tax.
You would owe $400 in payroll taxes under Bush.
Obama’s tax credit of $400 for individuals reduces your taxes to $0.
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=206038,00.html
@ 123 Moho: “…in essence, the most virulently racist Democrats became Republicans at the invitation of Nixon. Republican conservatives who were not racist were, for the most part, unable to tolerate the anti-intellectual antagonism that accompanied that transformation and they became independents or Democrats…”
So you’re saying that all racist Southern Whites became Republicans, and that non-racist Republicans (“for the most part”) became Democrats/Independents. Forget all other major conservative issues, such as views on religion, abortion, taxes, government intervention, etc. No, the single overarching common denominator for Southern Repiblicans is racism.
Southern Republican = Racist (“for the most part”)
Hey buddy, ever heard of Bobby Jindal? What about Anh “Joseph” Cao, first Vietnamese-American in the House of Representatives?
Thank you for sharing your own prejudiced, bigoted view of Southern conservatives. Now please crawl back under the rock from whence you came.
…And I’m still waiting for the Obamaphiles to refute my rant @ 132
Guiding the conversation back to Bush? No, not really. If someone here can actually explain to me an instance where they were critical of Bush for the things that they accuse Obama of, then I’ll take you seriously. Bush violated several laws while he was President. He violated FISA so that he could collect your email and eavesdrop on your phone calls. He violated the Geneva Convention, which has put Americans at risk abroad. He violated international law by invading Iraq. The Democratic legislature enabled his crimes at every turn. I’ve actually not once here defended Obama’s health care plan–I think it won’t go far enough, and I doubt he and other Dems have the guts to get it passed. What I’m pointing out here is the pathological hatred of Obama that you people have–and I’m proving that it has nothing to do with any of his purported actions [which are the silliest allegations I have ever heard. Absolutely baseless], because I’m almost positive that none of you batted an eyelid at Bush’s crimes over the last eight years, although they’re no secret.
I’ll actually take your Obama bashing as something other than a crazed anguish over the election of the first African American President, if any one of you can actually outline to me your opposition over any of the criminal acts of the Bush administration. My bet is that you’ve never actually thought about it, because you didn’t mind any of those things. They were happening to Arabs [and often to Arab American citizens] or to people with views that you didn’t agree with. Well, guess what…all those powers that you looked upon with glee when Bush used, have now accrued to Obama. Though you people are too stupid to realize it, the precedents of jailing people indefinitely that you loved so much are now in Obama’s hands to wield against his ideological enemies. Its not the idiocies that you are repeating here, we are talking about issues of jurisprudence that are about to become settled law. Have fun with that you dopes.
Like I said before, Republicans are the conscious inheritors of the Democratic party’s Jim Crow history–Democrats who gladly became Republicans because they could enjoy the only thing that this governmental system gave them in droves. I’ll even repost the comment made by Nixon’s chief campaign strategist, Kevin Phillips, in 1970.
From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that… but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/books/phillips-southern.pdf
Racism, xenophobia and homophobia. Its the entire reason for the Republican party’s existence. All of the rhetoric about small government and low taxes is just the filler, to make it seem like you all have a real policy agenda. Well, its obvious you don’t. The Republicans yanking your chain, however, they certainly do. And its always been to your detriment. They just entertain you with the possibility of expressing your bigotry, and that’s always been enough.
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Hey buddy, ever heard of Bobby Jindal? What about Anh “Joseph” Cao, first Vietnamese-American in the House of Representatives?
I’m sure he’ll say they are their respective ethnic group’s equivalent of “Uncle Tom”s.
The Left has an all-encompassing worldview that doesn’t respond well to facts. They are the political equivalent of autistic. They can’t be reasoned with, because it wasn’t reason that got them to take their collectivist stance, since collectivism can never be based on reason.
I’ll actually take your Obama bashing as something other than a crazed anguish over the election of the first African American President, if any one of you can actually outline to me your opposition over any of the criminal acts of the Bush administration.
Take my Obama-bashing any way you like. Let me spell it out for you: I do not care what you think of me. Your opinion means as much to me as the opinions of a dung beetle. I would sooner conduct a seance to contact Michael Jackson from beyond the grave than get an opinion from you. I don’t even consider you human. Have you got the picture?
Venividivicci
Let me spell it out for you: I do not care what you think of me.
LOL. That’s funny, because I wasn’t even referencing you. I hadn’t read any of your comments here. So yes, I really do believe that because you don’t care what I think of you, that you were the first to respond to a comment that wasn’t addressed to you. Brilliant work. My god! How do you people get your shoes tied in the morning?
I do find it humorous when you trot out your handful of tokens and declare diversity has been served. That’s all this ever is to you people–a game, in which the point is to be as racist as possible while claiming you’re not racist.
Well, that’s two Republican elected representatives out of a hundred gubernatorial seats and 435 congressional seats. And, apparently, no African American Republicans elected to congress. That says to me that Republicans wouldn’t elect an African American. There are presently no elected congressional representatives who are African American and Republican–they are all Democrats. Go to this handy wikipedia site.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans_in_the_United_States_Congress
You’ll see that during Reconstruction, all of the African American representatives were Republican, and that after the civil rights legislation of the late sixties, they are all Democrats. This is the history of your party–as Democrats were outgrowing the constraints of race-based politics, Republican politicians culled out the worst of the worst, those people who could not abide racial parity, and created a new polity out of you. If you don’t like it, then you also have the power to demand a different sort of politics from your leaders. But from what I can see here, you’re a long way off from getting there.
harpo said:
‘If you earn $5,263 in fiscal year 2009 you would own no federal income tax.
You would owe $400 in payroll taxes under Bush.
Obama’s tax credit of $400 for individuals reduces your taxes to $0.’
There you go again, tool. As your off repeated nonsense is that Obama reduced the taxes on 95% of us, the tobacco tax puts the lie to it. Well, I guess if all the people using tobacco are numbered in the 95%, that wouldn’t count.
Funny thing is that your original oft repeated nonsense was that Obama reduced income taxes on 95% of Americans. When that was easily shown to be an ignorant statement, it morphed into Obama reduced income taxes on 95% of taxpayers. When that was easily shown to be an ignorant statement, it morphed into it’s current form. Which is nonsense. (there were, if memory serves, also baby steps between your big boy ones as you cycled through).
You have a few problems here, harpo.
The first is that there is a record. You add to it with every post. No getting around it if anyone considers you worth the effort to look.
Another problem is that like all tools, you can’t be anything but intellectually dishonest when it comes to qualifying a slogan. The slogan here is ’95%’. The rest you can spin, but not that. If you did, you’d be off the reservation and subject to ridicule by the rest of the kool kids in the progressive swamps. And what do you base the 95% on? A link you’ve continually provided to a progressive swamp that in turn links to a pre-nomination debate between Obama and Clinton in April, 2008 And in support of their hero, they link to a legitimate tax monitoring site that took a look at figures that the tax site admitted weren’t even yet fully compiled for 2007 tax returns. Which numbers have changed and been solidified for 2007 – and no longer support Obama. The same site, as was pointed out to you, had preliminary numbers later posted for 2008, that knock Obama’s claims down further. The same site firmed the 2008 numbers up just this July, and so on. All of which was pointed out to you. And none of which you have the wit to acknowledge screws your 95% figure.
You were also thrown a bone that if you were to do your homework instead of cribbing from the progressive dogma and qualify your figures accordingly, you could make a case for a greatly reduced percentage of taxpayers who might benefit from reduced with holdings in 2009 when April 2010 rolled around IF Obama did not raise taxes further. Big if, but you could have run with it with the tax structure and changes in it at that point in time. You couldn’t bring yourself to qualify the 95% claim. Kool kids etc.
So your now stuck on stupid. You can’t back off the 95%. You’ve morphed your claims as far as you can without doing so and are standing pat. You’re reduced to lying – again and again and in the same manner you do about Obama’s socialized medicine plans – by ignoring the record and the derision that intellectually honest folk treat your claims with. Instead claim that no one understands what a tax credit is. Which of course, everyone does understand.
You used to continually link to the IRS document on just the reduced with holding effects. You’re now linking to the site that deals with just the ARRA changes. You cannot afford to link to any information that deals with taxes as a whole and maintain the charade that Obama reduced taxes on 95% of Americans.
What? Were you afraid moho would take over the court jester position?
Sharper tools, please.
158. Moho:
You wrote: “I’ll take your Obama bashing, blah, blah, blah, if any one of you blah, blah, blah”.
Where I went to school (which probably wasn’t as fancy as your community college, I’ll admit), that’s a generic challenge addressed to a broad bunch of people representing a specific viewpoint (i.e. “Obama bashers”).
Never mind tying your shoes, how do you remember to breathe?
Ha, ha veni…you’re certainly continuing to prove this statement:
Let me spell it out for you: I do not care what you think of me. Your opinion means as much to me as the opinions of a dung beetle. I would sooner conduct a seance to contact Michael Jackson from beyond the grave than get an opinion from you.
Keep it coming. You’re really convincing me that you don’t care what I say.
Keep it coming. You’re really convincing me that you don’t care what I say.
Good. Remember it and live it.
Commuter,
“$75k-$100k income 4.66% of Americans”
Where did that Obama tax cut start to phase out again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=206038,00.html
You’ve got no business accusing anyone of not understanding Obama’s tax cuts. You haven’t a clue.
Veni–It seems that whatever I say, you’re the first to respond to it! Are you really this stupid? Do you have no self-control?
Sorry forgot to include this.
$100,000 incomes or more 5.63%
Still unable to grasp that taxes are not just what government takes from your paycheck, harpo?
Still unable to grasp that Obama can’t take credit for taking a buck from someone to hand it out to someone else with his right hand without taking responsibility for pulling 2 bucks out of that same someone else’s wallet with his left hand, harpo?
Still unable to understand that there can be no reduction in tax revenue without a corresponding reduction in federal spending, harpo?
No shrill protestations that I’m a liar when I pointed out that we’ve been through all this and you got your a$$ handed to you, tool? You can’t expunge that record of your nonsense, so let’s all just ignore your desperate gyrations that so entertained us. That it, harpo?
Haven’t noticed you linking your talking points to that esteemed fountain of political acumen, rush-hannity-watch, lately. How come, harpo?
I do thank you for providing the information in posts 164 and 165 that give the lie to your 95% figure when taking into account just one other factor – if there are multple tobacco users in any of those households. And by default your pointing out the common sense conclusion that as the tax credit phases out with income, the tobacco taxes will negate it’s effects at a rising rate until the net effect is a rise in taxes for some of your 95% households long before ones reaches the figure of, what was it again. Ah, right, 95% of Americans. Your response, on record, to that was that as far as you’re concerned, tobacco users deserve what they get. Which opinion, of course, has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that it makes your 95% claim a fool’s fantasy.
You are, as always and I suspect irredeemably, stuck on stupid, harpo.
“Still unable to understand that there can be no reduction in tax revenue without a corresponding reduction in federal spending, harpo?”
Yes, I am unable to understand. Mainly because it’s flat out false.
Do the math on your hair brained idea that tobacco taxes exceed Obama’s tax cuts for any but a few.
The percentage of Americans who smoke cigarettes is less 20%. Cull out the % smokers who don’t file returns. You pick a number.
And those left would have to smoke in excess of 650 packs of cigarettes a year (12.5 packs a week) to come out negative on Obama’s tax cuts.
I’m sure there’s some. So I’ll willingly cut my estimate down to Obama cut taxes for 94% of us.
And that calls for a teabag party in the mind of the ignorant redneck trash that the GOP calls it’s base.
Think very carefully before you answer this, jharp. You said at 116: “As long as you patriotically support Obama’s policies you’ll be fine”
Do you really believe that freedom of speech and dissent is so wrong that only by unthinkingly supporting whatever is said or done by Obama can we expect to make progress?
“As long as you patriotically support King George’s policies you’ll be fine.”
“As long as you patriotically support Josef Stalin’s policies you’ll be fine.”
Is that really the sort of position you take in these matters?
LennyB #40,
I’ve been thinking about the same things you are. I chalk it up to the liberal politician’s belief that his/her highest and best role is that of an advocate and protector of the Left…at whatever cost. I think that because so many of them are lawyers and so many prominent lawyers who are not politicians are in positions of influence among the left. Lawyers quite properly advocate for their clients no matter what their own beliefs as long as they can do so ethically. And of course many fail that test. Facts and evidence be damned, if I can spin it I can sell it. Much sturm and drang on this site seems drawn from this notion. There are plenty of lawyers infected with politics on the right, but it seems different somehow…sorry to sound so wistful, but that’s me. But what do I know? I only tried cases for 30 years.
“Still unable to understand that there can be no reduction in tax revenue without a corresponding reduction in federal spending, harpo?”
Yes, I am unable to understand. Mainly because it’s flat out false.’
Wife do your checkbook for you, harpo? Mother? Account closed for excessive overdrafts so no checkbook at all?
‘And those left would have to smoke in excess of 650 packs of cigarettes a year (12.5 packs a week) to come out negative on Obama’s tax cuts.’
Nope. We’ve gone through that. 2 smokers smoking pack a day each in a single income tax filing household have seen a tax increase using just the with holding tax changes and the tobacco tax increase as metrics. It is not only the households not paying in taxes that have smokers. The effect slides up into the households that get decreasing tax credits until it reaches a point where the tobacco tax negates the decrease in with holding. Above that, Obama has raised taxes on affected households.
‘The percentage of Americans who smoke cigarettes is less 20%. Cull out the % smokers who don’t file returns. You pick a number.’
Since people who don’t file returns live off the radar, let’s choose that their cigarette use id not being tracked either. We’ll stick with the 20%.
‘So I’ll willingly cut my estimate down to Obama cut taxes for 94% of us.’
Some progress, tool. Which means that your reflexive tendency to call anyone questioning your 95% figure a liar was actually in response to you being the liar all along. Or ignorant. Or both. More on that in a moment,tool.
Isn’t one of your claims that you have a business degree and your own business? How do you work the accounts receivable versus expenditure’s balance? Borrow hoping that the government will bail you out and send honest creditors packing at 10 cents on the dollar?
Is that what you expect the US government to do?
Because if that’s not your position, tool, then arguing that Obama’s spending policies will not inevitably require tax increases – during his adminstration or down the road if he can kick the deficit can far enough into the future – reveals once again that interpreting your positions is subject to a binary solution set.
You are lying about your background and are truly as ignorant as you seem to be.
You have the background you claim you have and are lying about what anyone with that background understands at the lowest level.
So, tool, whether you’re ignorant or intellectually dishonest might still be an open question. My money, based on your pattern of ludicrous claims on every subject, is that that part is not a binary solution set. You are both. But that you are a liar is not in question.
Sharper tools, please
Oh. Also a vulgar little pissant as well as an ignorant liar. Can’t forget the obsession you have with the practice of teabagging, can we, harpo.
Sharper tools, please. Without the self-loathing obsession with teabagging expressed as homophobic stigmatization.
Commuter. I know a lot of gay people–in fact, I probably know more gay people than straight people–and none of them are offended by the “teabagging” appellation. In fact, I’m pretty sure they’re the ones pushing it hardest. They know people like you loathe gay people, and so throwing your insults back at you is the sweetest revenge. Enjoy!
If i may interject, moho, maybe the reason your first channel is jamming up here is that the second channel is just overloaded with your audience’s appreciatation of the effects of admin policy.
Or maybe its your underlying premise that you see unerringly into people’s hearts and are expert on their motivations.
Sans any proximate objective data, many folks would feel a few compunctions for & about telling another what that other’s own motivations are. And the more so of reservation, per the greater the weight of the assertion.
So clearly, imputatations of ‘racism’ (BTW to quote a Nixon official is to admit a data deficiency so wildly out of synch with the gravity of the charge that it can be answered by father of Progressivism Woodrow Wilson’s ‘race’ remarks), are, when persuasion is the goal, <i<no longer going to substitute for objective data.
IOW, what you need to do is disconnect wallet & race rather than, as you are so assiduously doing, connecting them all the tighter, transposing the two issues at will as as per tactical upmanship rather than truth. Some sort of historical-data argument demonstrating how the average person will fare better under the one system than the other, and so forth. Campaigning is one thing, but policy debate needs to reverse that ‘blue-sky’ noise-to-signal.
Also, this is basic, that a pol who says (s)he is not all that familiar with these bills (haven’t had time to read, bill is too long, too complex, need to huddle with lawyers before can answer questions, etcetera) but will support these bills anyway, and that the people should too, is not ‘asking for and being denied trust’, as admin is framing it, but is rather more a demand that we bet the future on a dice throw. And under the conditions, that’s a lot to ask of anyone –whether she or he be a KKK Grand Dragon or a John Brown’s Body dyed-in-the-wool racism-hater, or Patrice Lumumba, or just a plain old american everyday non-racist dude or dudette.
Also, “Rule or Ruin” has never, except for a very sobering mid-19th century decade, been ‘American’. In fact, our deliberate avoidance of the Samson Option is our “exceptionalism’. Many people now believe that the so-called ‘BDS’ phenomenom was in fact a Samson Option, a ‘rule-or-ruin’ proclamation a la Cloward-Piven.
That this is such a departure from the tried-and-true (“here, upwardly mobility is up to you”) is distressing to millions of people who do not ascribe to the notion of collective/selective racial guilt. Calling ‘racism’ on everything is racism. Since this ain’t rocket science, those so doing are deliberately ‘investing’ in racism. Otherwise, they’d be promoting anti-racism rather than pro-racism.
IOW, what you need to do is disconnect wallet & race rather than, as you are so assiduously doing, connecting them all the tighter, transposing the two issues at will as as per tactical upmanship rather than truth. Some sort of historical-data argument demonstrating how the average person will fare better under the one system than the other, and so forth. Campaigning is one thing, but policy debate needs to reverse that ‘blue-sky’ noise-to-signal.
I actually don’t support the White House plan at all, so you won’t see any defense of it from me, nor do I see any need to separate wallet from race. For eight years, you people stood by and watched enormous deficits pile up over an unnecessary war. The fact that it was bs is incontrovertible fact–there is no longer any debate about that. Your party, your voters, you rank and file people who until February 2009 were content to watch the world go down the tubes in a blaze of heat and light, said nothing. That to me, says that this is most definitely not about the wallet. A lamer, less likely, argument by your party could not be made. In terms of your other overly-worded criticisms–
1. There is a direct line of site between today’s Republican party and Nixon–in fact, your standard bearers sung his praises just one year ago and the man who helped pen much of the Southern Strategy, Pat Buchanan, ist still the party’s grandfather. In such a light, and given the extreme lack of interest of Republican rank and file in the huge war deficits gifted to the nation by the Republicans, I can only note that the sudden and unprecedented interest in deficit-building accompanies the election of the first African American president.
2. As for bills not being read: I recall that the bill authorizing force in Iraq was also pushed over night through congress. Again, I doubt any here objected.
A movement that claims to be about issues of governance that was basically asleep during the last eight years that its own party ran things, but suddenly wakes up when a black man is running things, attracts the notice of incredulous people. Add to that, the fact that your foot soldiers can’t seem to articulate opposition to anything that’s actually in the bill, and spend most of their time in frightened discourse about euthenasia and Nazism…well, you have a long way to go to make your case.
In short, I have no problem with your opposition to the bill. I do have a problem with the creation of the most sickening and disgusting race discourse of my lifetime–talk of Obama being a muslim, of not having a birth certificate, of being a Nazi. And, of course, the overt racism that is a staple in this forum.
Finally, jamming as many prepositions, obscure references and parenthetical statements as possible into your text window may make you seem smart to the ganglionic intelligence floating around here, but its an obvious sign of someone without much to say to me.
144. Laurie Thompson:
“that’s my profiling try of the day. If I’m wrong, Vivo, let me know. But don’t be a pompous prick about it.”
You just described YOURSELF. Don’t ever take a job as a ‘profiler’. Now, who’s the pompous here?
‘Commuter. I know a lot of gay people–in fact, I probably know more gay people than straight people–and none of them are offended by the “teabagging” appellation.’
They know people like you loathe gay people, and so throwing your insults back at you is the sweetest revenge. Enjoy!’
Really? Loathe them do I? And that’s why you use the term so frequently. To revenge them…you…ah…on…for..ah…seems the logic broke down there.
BTW: tool. The term applied to the Tea Party movement first came to prominence in an conversation on MSNBC between Ana Marie Cox and Rachel Maddow tittering away at each other like two middleschoolers. Want to claim that they were using it to point out the homophobia of the Tea Partiers? The use of the term as an insult has been one way, tool. You aren’t tossing the term back at anyone. You’re in with the crowd who introduced it into the push back against Obama’s policies as a way to stigmatize it, continue to use it for that purpose, and are the only ones using it.
What you are, moho, is another run of the mill vulgar lying little pissant from the democratic underground cesspool. The site you’ve taken up linking to. And on that site there is no pretension that the term is being used as revenge for anything. It’s quite openly used by half-wits like yourself who think that to stigmatize the tea partiers with what they consider a vile practice is the height of clever commentary and congratulate each other effusively when they do. Which says reams about what their dirty juvenile minds think about gays.
So spare me the projection that what goes on on that cesspool you swim in has any relationship to anything other than to amuse the grade school level intellects that hangs out there.
And spare me the self-aggrandizing claptrap that you yourself are using the term for any other reason than to stigmatize by using the term in exactly the same way and for exactly the same reason the rest of the marching morons on DU do.
And, tool, what you do not and probably aren’t capable of understanding is that it is not your practice of using the term in a neener neener namecalling manner that is so loathsome. It is the foul idea you have in your head that they way to answer the concerns of your fellow citizens is to label them with the nastiest thing your prurient little mind can think of that you feel will stick to them.
Sharper tools, please. Preferably without the self-loathing obsession with teabagging desperately projected in a transparent homophobic stigmatization of good people.
The term applied to the Tea Party movement first came to prominence in an conversation on MSNBC between Ana Marie Cox and Rachel Maddow tittering away at each other like two middleschoolers.
Well, I’m not actually sure that was the first use of it. But Maddow’s gay and out and open about it. Trust me, teabagger is far from the “nastiest thing” this “prurient” mind can think up. I don’t consider it an insult at all. I’m pretty sure Maddow didn’t either. It does seem to drive you people crazy though.
Finally, I was only kidding when I said you were the dumbest person here, but you’re on a mission to prove it. And its a wide field, my friend. Good luck to you!
“169. jharp’s flaw:
Think very carefully before you answer this, jharp. You said at 116: “As long as you patriotically support Obama’s policies you’ll be fine””
That post was not mine. We have an impostor.
It happens all the time when you make conservatives look the fools that they are. Some wiseguy starts posting under your handle.
It’s flattering but I wish it wouldn’t happen.
178. Moho:
‘Well, I’m not actually sure that was the first use of it. But Maddow’s gay and out and open about it.’
Which has what to do with her decision to stigmatize the Tea Party movement with it?
‘Trust me, teabagger is far from the “nastiest thing” this “prurient” mind can think up.’
No doubt, as it appears to be a severely damaged mind. But the term gets by the moderators here.
‘I don’t consider it an insult at all. I’m pretty sure Maddow didn’t either. It does seem to drive you people crazy though.’
Are you really this stupid? Strike that. Of course you are. You completely miss why the reaction to it has nothing to do with anyone feeling personally aggrieved by it’s use. And that’s understandable. Because you haven’t the wit.
Sharper tools, please.
Preferably without the self-loathing obsession with teabagging desperately projected in transparent homophobic stigmatization of better people.
179. harpo:
Might want to consider why readers would easily accept it as coming from you, tool.
Sharper tools, please. Preferably without the self-loathing obsession with teabagging desperately projected in a transparent homophobic stigmatization of better people.
Commuter:
“Still unable to understand that there can be no reduction in tax revenue without a corresponding reduction in federal spending, harpo?”
Yes, I am unable to understand. Mainly because it’s flat out false.’
Wife do your checkbook for you, harpo?
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Yes she does. I am on a cash basis so it’s really quite simple.
Care to explain you idiotic remark?
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‘And those left would have to smoke in excess of 650 packs of cigarettes a year (12.5 packs a week) to come out negative on Obama’s tax cuts.’
“Nope. We’ve gone through that. 2 smokers smoking pack a day each in a single income tax filing household have seen a tax increase”
Two smokers get an $800 tax credit birdbrain. Have you ever heard of filing a joint return?
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“Isn’t one of your claims that you have a business degree and your own business?”
Yes, an accounting degree from a Big Ten University and have been working for myself in the business of international trade for 25 years.
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“How do you work the accounts receivable versus expenditure’s balance?”
First, I have no debt. So I lay my money out for the deals I make. Then when they come to fruition I get paid. Generally we work with letters of credit so my bad debts are minimal. And I don’t do business with people I don’t trust and don’t have a history of legitimacy.
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“Borrow hoping that the government will bail you out and send honest creditors packing at 10 cents on the dollar?”
No. I don’t borrow. I put up my own money.
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“Because if that’s not your position, tool, then arguing that Obama’s spending policies will not inevitably require tax increases – during his adminstration or down the road”
The wingnuttosphere is so confusing. Here I thought cutting taxes raises revenue.
“You are lying about your background”
I am who I say I am.
“You have the background you claim you have and are lying about what anyone with that background understands at the lowest level.”
The guy who can’t comprehend a tax credit accuses me, educated in accounting and working in international trade for 25 years, of not understanding. And after he has made a fool of himself with ignorant posts. Good grief.
Commuter:
179. harpo:
Might want to consider why readers would easily accept it as coming from you, tool.
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I think I know. Because it was posted using my handle.
It can’t be you ain’t bright enough to figure that out for yourself, could it?
so moho, your defense of the congress’s careless handling of the bills –bills changing the warp n woof of a 2.3 century-old system that has made this country the destination of generations of the world’s poor & downtrodden (the ‘class’ which your class-warfare party bills itself as champion of) is: I recall that the bill authorizing force in Iraq was also pushed over night through congress. Again, I doubt any here objected?
Which has what to do with her decision to stigmatize the Tea Party movement with it?
You are now officially the stupidest person posting here.
Oh dear, Moho has declared that he knows more gay people than straight people and that we’re all racist. Gosh Moho, I guess that means you’re ever so cosmopolitan and smart then right? LOL!
You and jharp and the other liberal terrorists here are a perfect example of why the “mobs” at the townhalls continue to grow larger and larger with every passing day. In fact, we should thank you for furthering our cause with your high-brow, egotistical rants. Thank you.
It’s clear to see that you are here because you’re out of your minds with rage because the rest of us have seen what’s behind the curtain. Obama is the racist here. He’s taken race relations back decades. Obama’s war in Afghanistan is a disaster and now more troops are being called for. The economy that stunk before is now a disaster. Thank you Dear Leader Obama.
The “mobs” have had enough. C’mon, now it’s your turn to use your exemplary vocabulary and throw out a few “wingnut”, “tea-bagger” and “racist” names at me. I could care less. You’ve shown your seedy, terrorist underbelly. I’m starting to enjoy watching you squirm. No, I lie, I’m WAY past starting to enjoy it. I must be honest and admit I’ve enjoyed watching your anger for quite some time now.
Please, more venom and name calling. Show us more of that liberal chutzpah.
Nope, Buddy Larsen; I don’t actually agree that the bill is being pushed through the way you characterize it. I’m, just pointing out your hypocrisy. You people have never cared about this kind of stuff–even the stuff you’ve hallucinated–before. It seems to coincide with the color of the President.
In terms of this being such a great health care system that people travel to get at, here’s some reading material that might make you think twice. That is if you could think.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/03/BUGA121GPF.DTL&type=printable
Americans look abroad to save on health care
Medical tourism could jump tenfold in next decade
Linda A. Johnson, Associated Press
Sunday, August 3, 2008
(08-03) 04:00 PDT Trenton, N.J. –
Consumers increasingly are trying alternatives to their local hospitals and doctors, from going abroad for less-costly surgery to seeking quick, basic care at new clinics in drugstores and discounters, experts say.
The number of people heading abroad for “medical tourism” could jump tenfold in the next decade, to nearly 16 million Americans a year seeking cheaper knee and hip replacements, nose jobs, prostate and shoulder surgery, and even heart bypasses, according to a forecast by health care consultants at the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions.
Meanwhile, the number of retail clinics operating in pharmacies, big-box and discount stores and supermarkets has jumped from about 200 in 2006 to nearly 1,000 last month, according to a second report from the Deloitte center.
While growth is slowing and some early players funded by venture capitalists have folded or been bought out, major retailers such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc., CVS Caremark Corp. and Walgreen Co. have announced plans to open hundreds more clinics in their stores in the next few years.
The two reports show potential big savings for U.S. consumers – and probably their health insurers – would come at the cost of American hospitals and doctors losing billions of dollars a year in revenue.
“Significant numbers of people are willing to vote with their feet to try something different, whether it’s retail clinics or medical tourism,” said Paul Keckley, the center’s executive director. “U.S. providers are having to pay attention.”
He cites patient dissatisfaction with high costs, long waits in the doctor’s office or to get a procedure, and reports about errors and quality problems in U.S. health facilities as fueling both trends.
Surgery in some of the countries that have become hubs for medical tourism, from Thailand and Singapore to Mexico and Brazil, can cost less than half the U.S. price, even when including outlays for airfare, hotel and meals abroad. In a few cases, procedures overseas can cost one-tenth as much, Keckley said.
Many of these countries actively market their programs in wealthier nations and have new, 21st-century hospitals. Most of their physicians are trained in the United States and know all the latest techniques, according to Keckley and Michael Taylor, a global health consultant at Towers Perrin.
But in the event of botched surgery or complications later, who takes care of the patient?
“That’s one of the two big question marks about this, and the other is liability,” said Keckley.
When patients work with specialized brokers who arrange the surgery, travel and hotel, contracts sometimes provide for a doctor or hospital back home to handle follow-up care and spell out who is liable if a lawsuit follows, he said, but that’s inconsistent.
“In many ways, it’s still the Wild West,” Keckley said.
About 750,000 Americans headed abroad for major health care last year and an estimated 1.5 million will do so this year, according to the report.
Also…
U.S. patients choosing Mexican hospitals for price, quality
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nationworld/stories/072807dninthospitals.36608c1.html
and…
California health costs send patients to Mexico facilities
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/11/13/california_health_costs_send_patients_to_mexico_facilities/
i’ll take a look, moho –& thanks for the effort w/ the links –
Up till this stunt, I didn’t hate Obama.
Sure, I hated his Marxism, but not him.
Now it’s personal.
@4 – Laurie Thompson – Awesome post!!
Anyone else notice that jharp and moho are always around at the same time?
here’s something else pertinent, just popped up. Wretchard as usual, pointing out the structural chords underneath all this. “The Wheel of Misfortune” indeed.
155. Moho:
” I’m proving that it has nothing to do with any of his purported actions [which are the silliest allegations I have ever heard. Absolutely baseless]…” -I’m still waiting for you to respond to post #132, an argument against Obama’s healthcare plan, based entirely on COST, and how this is essentially another transfer of wealth scheme. But you prefer instead to join in with the ad hominem which you say proves how low-class the Republicans are.
“…because I’m almost positive that none of you batted an eyelid at Bush’s crimes over the last eight years, although they’re no secret.” Do you know for a fact where I stand on the Iraq war? Bush’s use of “enhanced questioning”? I doubt it. Yet you don’t even care to find out, as you’ve already made up your mind. That’s called prejudice, a term you easily apply to each and every Republican without batting an eyelid. For the record, I did not support Bush’s “enhanced questioning,” it crosses the line into torture, and may even be counterproductive in terms of the veracity of data extracted in this fashion. Yet to equate Bush’s acts, performed during war, against enemy combatants who are looking to kill Americans, with Obama’s attempt to cull information on peaceful citizens who are merely questioning their government’s acts is laughable. How desperately you try to line up events to fit your hateful anti-conservative agenda.
“Racism, xenophobia and homophobia. Its the entire reason for the Republican party’s existence.” Wow, you really came out and showed your true colors!! What a bigoted, prejudiced little man you are. Your evidence for this grave accusation? Nixon’s Southern Strategy, which occurred OVER 30 YEARS AGO. You dismiss allegations of past Democratic party racist acts as ancient history, then wield Nixon’s plan as your “smoking gun”?
“…that’s two Republican elected representatives out of a hundred gubernatorial seats and 435 congressional seats. And, apparently, no African American Republicans elected to congress. That says to me that Republicans wouldn’t elect an African American.”
Is this your litmus test for racism? Your quotes say less about Republicans and more about your rabid anti-conservative, pro-African American agenda.
You rave how there are no African American Republicans in Congress. You SAW the Wikipedia website you quoted, and FAIL to mention the first African American Senator elected since Reconstruction, REPUBLICAN Edward Brooke, from Massachusetts (served 1967-1979). And why did it take until 1993 for Democrats to elect an African-American Senator?? By your logic, there must be plenty of racists still in that party.
True, there are no current African American in the House of Representatives (though Republican Melvin H. Evans, non-voting delegate from USVI 1979-1981 was Black).
But there are several other minorities: The 110th Congress (latest data I cold find) included 5 Republican Hispanics and 1 Republican from Asian/Pacific origin. The ONLY American Indian representative was a Republican. And how easily you dismiss the achievement of the first Indian-American Governor and the first Vietnamese-American Representative.
How about this list of “firsts,” all recorded during Bush’s term:
First African American Secretary of State: Colin Powell
First African American woman Secretary of State: Condoleeza Rice
First Hispanic Attorney General: Alberto Gonzalez
First Asian American woman in a Presidential Cabinet: Elaine Chao
And for all the talk of Sonia Sotomayor entering the Supreme Court, let’s not forget this one: First female Justice of the Supreme Court: Sandra Day O’Connor, appointed by Ronald Reagan, and the second African American appointed to the Supreme Court, Clarcence Thomas, appointed by Bush, Sr.
But to you all this is “not enough,” easily dismissed as “tokens.” Apparently you only care about Blacks, or, rather, Blacks that share your Left-wing ideology (and you say conservatives are racist? For God’s sake, look in the mirror!).
In the end, it’ll never be “enough,” because what you want are minorities that think “like you.” Everyone else, in your prejudiced little mind, is either a token or a racist.
This is the game all liberals play. When a conservative woman is presented as Vice Presidential candidate, the left (even feminists) tore her apart “on principle.” Ditto for Clarence Thomas’ candidacy for SCOTUS. But if conservatives object to a Hispanic woman candidate to the SCOTUS, it must be because they’re racists.
If advancement of a gender/minority is the issue, why do liberals oppose conservative women/minorities? Because what they’re pushing is not minority/gender advancement, it’s IDEOLOGY advancement. Hence, if a person, regardless of color or gender, does not match their ideology, they will be attacked.
Consider this: After calling him “n!gger,” two big white guys beat up a scrawny 150 lb. African American, and the Left said NOTHING. Why? Because the guy they beat up was conservative Kenneth Gladney, and the guys doing the pummeling were SEIU thugs. Had it been two conservatives beating on a hapless liberal, the liberals would be screaming bloody racism. But ideology trumps race.
How about this: Promiscuous politician makes sexual advances on his young female staff, and the Left, even the feminists at NOW, said NOTHING. Why? Because the politician was Bill Clinton. Had it been a conservative politician, again, the liberals, including the feminists, would have been calling him a sexist pig. But ideology trumps gender.
Do Republicans advance their ideologies? Of course they do. but they don’t hypocritically call everyone opposing them racist bigots.
You claim Republicans are only held together by their hate of other people, yet the only one here expressing hate for those unlike them, is YOU. That’s one of the reasons why I, as a proud Latino, would NEVER consider joining the Democratic Party.
Rocketeer,
Thanks for the compliment, but it’s President Obama who deserves all the credit. Without him, where would this country be, question mark.
Surely, not this united.
For instance, we’re almost all on the same page when it comes to the great President Barack’s ObamaCare.
Yesiree, united are we. Personally, I’m frankly flabbergasted that ObamaCare is so far reaching.
But the message of efficient government run, fairly rationed health care is just one spoke in President Obama’s wheel of hope that’s spreading round’ the world.
One sour note.
The President’s messages of hate, happiness at being above the law, pro-socialism, anti-private enterprise etc., etc., etc., seems to have served as a rallying point for rebel rousing Republicans, independents, moderate liberals and conservatives.
Which, while unfortunate, is nothing we can’t overcome. If those stupid tea partiers won’t stop, we may send some socialist union muscle men who can tea bag with the best of them.
I just hope that Hillary stops running off at the mouth about how protest is the highest form of patriotism.
Pure, unadulterated malarky. Just about the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard the pudge ball princess say.
Why doesn’t she start up once again that drivel about being under sniper fire in Iraq, and take those idiotic right wing minds off ruining the great plans for change that the great one, Barack Obama, has up his sleeve for this nation?
Or why can’t she do some crying. Barack’s slave media eats that up.
But my mind always returns to Obama.
Who could argue with a man tutelaged under Jeramiah Wright for twenty years. Pedagogy is crucial to a critical thinker’s mind, especially one as steeped in logic as Barack Obama. It’s a mind that most true blue union members, especially, would have trouble arguing with. And always want to take orders from.
Like the President, I hate black people who try to use their heads to hurt the fists of said patriotic union members.
Like the President, I despise the Catholic Church for hating the wholesale slaughter of the unborn.
Like the President, I think of the police and the military as thugs who want to hurt and harass everything from other countries to other black men.
Like the President I despise so called American patriots, from Paul (why couldn’t he just stay home and relax that night of April 18th, 1775) Revere to Claire (medal of freedom) Phillips to Petraeus, David, General U.S. Army, who created the surge that won the war in Iraq.
And did this in spite of the fact that the great one, President Barack Obama, in his infinite wisdom said the surge would never work. Moveon.org pointed out that Petraeus at the end of the day would betray us. Isn’t their word good enough for most Americans? It is for George Soros.
Actually, that moveon ad about Petraeus was (of course) Barack’s brainchild. Alledgedly, Barack saw in the General’s 201 file a position paper on politics which stated that General Petraeus doesn’t “give two hoots in hell” about pro-socialist agendas.
While we work day and night to change the country; turn it into the European nation state that Barack envisions, Petraeus and his kind won’t give us the time of day.
President Obama is busting a gut because he can’t wait to fire the General. I certainly do feel for Barack who’s Harvard educated. Where did Petraeous go to school? Podunk University?
Also, like the President, I’m proud as a peacock that Sonia Sotomayor wasn’t dissuaded from taking her historic and glorious stand against the oppressive and slow witted white males who began this country by throwing so many worn out phrases of personal freedom, justice and liberty into the mean spirited, wordy, flowery Declaration of Independence.
But, no, that wasn’t enough.
Then to add fuel to the freedom fire, they created the U.S. constitution with that damn second amendment, not to mention the first and 14th that get in our way every time we try to change this country into Barack Obama’s image and likeness.
I put that message of hate in there (I know it sounds negative) because it may be the number one galvanizing force that’s come from our great leado.
Until I went away to college at NYU and came home a muy bonita socialista, my parents thought I was right wing enough to join the CIA. Imagine that, a nappy haired (I refuse to wear wigs) black girl (light skinned though like Obama likes em’) in the CIA.
But once I heard Barack Obama’s undertone of hate, and saw him (alledgedly) give the finger to Hillary, I was hooked. Hate. Unlike Hussein which comes between Barack and Obama, nowadays hate is my middle name. I know it sounds a little crazy, but, hey, if it feels good, do it.
I’ll just add one more reason why The Great One has been so successful in uniting his contumely filled coterie of socialist/stalinists.
The brilliant way he responded when a racist Sgt. attempted to arrest a freedom loving Harvard Professor. Like the late great Howard Cosell would “tell it like it is” so does President Obama. He called the white racist cop out on the carpet and informed the cowering, slow witted, pale white man that he had acted stupidly.
To which Crowley replied, “I know you did, sir.” Well, I may not have the facts perfect, but I believe that was the gist of their conversation.
Now Professor Gates is hailed at Harvard as the masta of the white slave. Another proud moment in Obama’s Presidency.
Before I go, I should say a word or two about the coal black gentlemen dastardly accused of voter intimidation in Philadelphia. Nonsense, they were providing security for black voters.
Consequently, said Eric Holder, “that’s why we naturally dropped all charges and apologized to the great community organization known as your Black Panthers.
Okay, at least I got a few things off my chest. It’s time for me to go to sleep and hopefully dream about the great days ahead for the greatest President this nation has ever seen.
Imagine, in just seven short months, he’s succeeded in unifying the nation. A man of his word. The man of his time.
#191…Yes…and I enjoy it when libs like moho and jharp use their time to come here and pontificate endlessly to deaf ears. They pop in and vilify “you people” repeatedly, but never really define who it is that they hate so much or why, so I will attempt do it for them, based on what I’ve read here and elsewhere the last couple months.
Moho and its liberal pals hate those who would stand up and defend Constitutional principles, capitalism, and the American way of life. They stand for change, a new way of American life, one unlawfully dictated by Washington in the name of social justice for the federal redistribution of our private property. By supporting irresponsible Obama-led Congressional spending and other expensive policy, they also stand for perpetual debt on regular American taxpayers already in hardship.
They stand for a centralized government that encourages citizens to snitch on “fishy, misinformed” fellow Americans. Deep down, moho and jharp know these are indefensible positions, so their political arsenal mainly consists of name-calling, contempt and ridicule, seldom debate. And their marching orders reflect this truth: They have very little of value to stand on.
There is no defense for flag@whitehouse.gov, so they slink in here to smear and distract instead of joining us for the common good. FIGHT!
From Mojo.
“He violated the Geneva Convention, which has put Americans at risk abroad.”
Simple question… Are the terrorists we are fighting covered under the Geneva Convention? You better look it up. Because they CLEARLY are not! So what violation are you refering too?
185. Moho:
“‘Well, I’m not actually sure that was the first use of it. But Maddow’s gay and out and open about it.’”
‘Which has what to do with her decision to stigmatize the Tea Party movement with it?
You are now officially the stupidest person posting here.’
So you have no answer. I did not think you would, since your asinine justification for using the term can only be stated, not defended.
Sharper tools, please. Preferably without the self-loathing obsession with teabagging desperately projected in a transparent homophobic stigmatization of good people.
183. harpo:
‘Might want to consider why readers would easily accept it as coming from you, tool.
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I think I know. Because it was posted using my handle.’
Whoosh. Went right over your head did it? Not unexpected.
Sharper tools, please.
harpo siad:
‘Yes she does. I am on a cash basis so it’s really quite simple.
Care to explain you idiotic remark?’
Sure. You appear to be too stupid to grasp the simplest of economic principles required to balance a checkbook. Lucky your wife isn’t. That help, tool?
”“Nope. We’ve gone through that. 2 smokers smoking pack a day each in a single income tax filing household have seen a tax increase”
Two smokers get an $800 tax credit birdbrain. Have you ever heard of filing a joint return?’
Um, ‘…in a single income tax filing household…’ Have you ever heard of reading comprehension? Birdbrain?
Sharper tools, please.
Hmm…. I stated above that Moho was “the only one here expressing hate for those unlike them.” Though there some here from the Right have made some nasty remarks, (mostly at Moho), Moho is still the ONLY one making hateful, sweeping generalizations (e.g. all Republicans are “racist, xenophobes, and homophobes”) Prejudiced, bigoted, doesn’t he realize he’s become the very thing he claims to hate?
Personally I could care less what Obama’s skin color is. Moho seems to be obsessed with it. I guess he’s just another liberal playing the race card, as, after all, he cannot defend his ideology. Some on the Right have also been accused of playing the “patriot” card. I don’t question liberals’ patriotism; it’s their judgement that I find sorely lacking.
Commuter:
Have you ever heard of filing a joint return?’
“Um, ‘…in a single income tax filing household…’ Have you ever heard of reading comprehension? Birdbrain?”
(a) Joint returns
A husband and wife may make a single return jointly of income taxes under subtitle A, even though one of the spouses has neither gross income nor deductions
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00006013—-000-.html
As usual Commuter has no idea of what he is talking about. No idea at all.
Sharpen tools, please.
Hey Obamaphiles, read this, from your own Salon.com liberal screed:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/08/10/pharma/
“…the White House confirmed it has promised Big Pharma that any healthcare legislation will bar the government from using its huge purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices…
“…the deal between Big Pharma and the White House frankly worries me. It’s bad enough when industry lobbyists extract concessions from members of Congress, which happens all the time. But when an industry gets SECRET CONCESSIONS out of the White House in return for a promise to lend the industry’s support to a key piece of legislation, we’re in big trouble. THAT’S CALLED EXTORTION: An industry is using its capacity to threaten or prevent legislation as a means of altering that legislation for its own benefit. And it’s doing so at the highest reaches of our government, in the office of the President.
” …We’re on a precarious road — and wherever it leads, it’s not toward democracy.” [my emphasis]
Change we can believe in? How about… more of the same… or perhaps even worse…
Moho is still the ONLY one making hateful, sweeping generalizations (e.g. all Republicans are “racist, xenophobes, and homophobes”) Prejudiced, bigoted, doesn’t he realize he’s become the very thing he claims to hate?
This is the main difference between myself and the kind of people involved in the teabagging movement. I have no desire to hide my hate and disrespect for all of those involved in this bs. I do hate you. The fact that you’re bigots and that you’re movement is a response to a black president is duly indicated by the facts–during eight years of the most intense money-wasting and freedom-threatening administration you were all silent. Now, every governmental action is a crime against your liberty that you cannot bear. All the while, you seek to hide your outsized bigotry against all people not yourself with constant accusations against the other side–this lame teabagger from St, Louis being the latest.
I never claimed to be a pacifist and I generally live and let live. But when people are mounting a campaign based on ignorance and exclusion of people–the Kenyan birth certificate, the Nazi and communist appellations, as well as all the secret muslim bullshit–I see no reason to call it what it is, nor to hide my disdain for such cowardly and insincere antics. I do hate you people. I think you’re idiots. I have the balls to say it. Live with it or piss your pants and stomp your feet about it like a little girl. Either way, okay by me.
Balls Moho? Do you seriously believe that you risk the microscopic contents of your scrotal sac by posting at PJM?If you want to posture as “brave” why don’t you call the presidential thug’s website with a criticism of his health care bill.How about walking to a polling place through a mob of Obama DOJ-sanctioned, black panther intimidators?Daily, Obama and his stalinist party demonstrates their contempt for dissent and freedom of speech,and the American people who realize that his policies are catastrophic.If Obama wants to behave like Hugo Chavez,the American people will behave like patriots.
Laurie Thompson and Chileno, great reading, and –minority-group (i retch to type that label) anti-socialists sure do put the “?” on old Marx’s ‘historical inevitability’ –thank goodness.
This is good, if ya get a chance.
Like I said, Deguello, you hide behind fantasies. Was there more than one Black Panther intimidator? Do you think that I’ve never placed a call to Democrats opposing their policies? Or Republicans? Like I said, you hide your race-based antagonism [black panthers? my god, how asinine]. I don’t envy your pathetic, frightened existence, and am not surprised that you act up like frightened children the minute the teacher leaves the room. Yes, you’re not racist, you’re just scared that black people working for the black President will “mob” your polling place. Right. Got it. Like I said, empty sack.
Moho says: “…I have no desire to hide my hate and disrespect for all of those involved in this bs. I do hate you.”
That says sooo much more about your own shortcomings than mine, ha!
You still don’t get it, do you? If Hillary had been president, and were she pushing this same agenda, I’d STILL be here arguing the talking points (which YOU have obviated, since you’re so busy with your “hate” agenda). It’s f*cking SOCIALISM I hate, not you. Conservatives did not complain during the Bush years because they AGREED with his spending, just like you AGREE with Obama’s. Is that so strange? Here’s your stupid logic in a nutshell: “Conservative man supports Bush, liberal hates Bush’s policies -that’s O.K. Liberal supports Obama, conservative hates Obama’s policies -that’s RACISM!!”
You parade beliefs held by a minority, like the “Kenyan birth certificate, the Nazi and communist appellations, as well as all the secret muslim bullshit” as proof (PROOF!) of racism. Like he’s the only politician ever to be surrounded by bizarre rumors and accusations. How many accusations did Sarah Palin have to fight off -regarding her AND her family? How about John McCain portrayed as the warmongering monster that was ready to bomb Iran? Nazi appelations?? How about Nancy Pelosi demonizing concerned citizens at town hall meetings, calling them people “carrying swastikas and symbols like that.”
I don’t care if the President is Black, White, or Yellow. If he’s promoting socialist policies that will ultimately take away the hard-earned GREENBACKS in my pocket, I will fight him.
So you hate people you’ve never even met. What a sad, bigoted, prejudiced little man you are. AND YOU SAY WE’RE THE AWFUL ONES?? You think you’re such a big man to admit your hate. Silly person, hate is soooo easy. It frees you of the need to listen, or argue intelligently, gives you someone to blame all your own shortcomings on, and can justify the use of insults or even violence. Understanding those who think unlike you, arguing the points, and looking in the mirror and admitting you may have been wrong – THAT takes courage. Many times it’s more than I can do, but hell, I try. You just hate.
And no, I do not hate you. You’re a terribly sick and misguided fool, who will be consumed by his own hate. In your intense hate, I could see you cheering on the two White SEIU thugs beating up on Black conservative Kenneth Gladney while calling him “n!gger.” Your silence on this shameful act makes you an accomplice. Look at yourself, for God’s sake, look at what you’ve become.
Farewell little man, this conversation is over. There’s no arguing with someone so blinded by hate. You won’t let facts get in the way of your pre-determined Truth.
In the end, I’ll say thank you. You really made my day, you know! After years of hearing the MSM imply that conservatives were the hateful bigots, I can say today that those titles belong to Moho. You were never able to defend the talking points (you didn’t even want to). I argued the talking points. You argued hate. Go home and be consumed in your own bitterness.
Mediate on these quotes, see if you get something out of them. I honestly hope (but doubt) one day you realize just how wrong you are.
Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction…. -Martin Luther King, Jr.
I will permit NO MAN to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him. -Booker T. Washington
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