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		<title>By: Mark Bernadiner</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/showdown-on-j-street/#comment-486055</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bernadiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J-Street, who claims being pro-Israel, is in reality anti-Israel organization with a clear objective of making money and political face through indengering Israel and Jews around the world and ultimately eliminating Israel from the map. These people have no credible education and knoledge in ME and Israel history, UN resolutions and documents, and thjey are acting based on street-popular anti-Israel and anti-Semitic information. They sponsors include a number of muslims and possible funding from arab organizations and countries looking for destruction of Israel and killing Jews.</description>
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		<title>By: DE Teodoru</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/showdown-on-j-street/#comment-437739</link>
		<dc:creator>DE Teodoru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does seem to me that you are doing against J STREET exactly what your rules will not allow to be done by posters here, slandering instead of debating. That, I feel is dangerous. If you look back at the public picture of Bush and the neocons, right or wrong,  many Americans see Bush as dummy duped by Israel&#039;s operatives, the neocons—whom themselves insisted that they are the only legitimate voice of American Jews. As a goy who looks closely at anti-Semitism under the sheets (where you can’t go to look) rather than wherever it erupts openly, I must tell you that it is simmering as a widespread super-volcano underground and when it will erupt it will be massive and all pervasive as an American Krystalnacht. The case about FIFTH COLUMN is already discretely disseminated quite widely and meets with little resistance. Nothing solidifies it like the chutzpah of impugning the motives of critics. The neocon call for &quot;World War IV&quot; against Islam caused one of their adherents, Fukuyama, to question why all this bringing &quot;democracy&quot; Crusade is limited to Arab nations. For that, the neocons accused one of their own of anti-Semitism! There is still lingering suspicion of Israel&#039;s participation or prior knowledge of 9/11, right or wrong, among many Americans who read blogs just as declarative as yours. We live in an era where disseminated notions via the internet live on forever as building blocs for later theories, seeming soooooo legit when footnoted with URLs. AIPAC has quite a dubious record as a backflow of US aide $ to Israel  come back here as propaganda support, so why expose itself by attacking J STREET? Please explain for the GOYIM MAJORITY in America on what basis do you think that Arab support discredits J STREET. Does that make them less Jewish or less American than you? Is your goal to make it seem like an Arab mouthpiece? Bravo, you attack your own Jewish children, chasing them away from the synagogue, and then wonder why ADL&#039;s Foxman had to explain to a Jerusalem meeting of &quot;Jewish students feeling oppressed on campuses abroad because they are Jews&quot; that ADL has not been supporting Zionism because it has been too busy &quot;fighting assimilation&quot; of Jews in goy society.  Can’t you confront ideas in MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE-- especially when it is your fellow Jews-- or is slander and assault on motive for not supporting your views all you can do? If it&#039;s all you can do, keep two things in mind: 1) You are losing MOST Jews because MOST JEWS live in the Diaspora and deem Israel a nice place to visit but not to live while very many Israelis get their degrees and move out to the Diaspora; 2) Jewish culture and ethic are the strongest and richest contribution Jews have ever made to Diaspora civilization. By demanding parrot-like compliance in order for you to restrain your scandalous slander (slander that could be deadly to all Jews because of your recklessness) you force young Jews into emersion AWAY from their roots and lose them forever religiously, culturally and as Zionists. As they face ostracization through slander by the likes of Kramer and yourselves, the same standards are applied to you but it is not these Jews you chased out that come after you but raging mobs who feel you took them for &quot;dumb goyim&quot; with your propaganda that, in the end, led to a lot of dead non-Jews fighting Israel&#039;s battles. If you need evidence just read the Daniel Report commentary in the US Army Journal PARAMETERS by one of its authors: AN AMERICAN JEW who seems to forget his nationality by speaking as a policy maven of the Israeli military.

I grew up with Jews as fellow refugees and my mentors were survivors of a double Holocaust, Hitler&#039;s and Stalin&#039;s. They taught me that violence in words and deeds only begets violence that is overwhelming. Better, they argued, to engage in meaningful dialogue. To my amazement, at UC Berkeley in 1964, it was NYC Communist American Jews who fomented a FREE SPEECH student revolution, supported by the Conservatives, and when they won they did not call for a Red Revolution but for MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE. The then college age neocons were hiding under their beds. Bettina Aptheker can be slandered by you for a lot of things but as a good Jew more than a good Communist she brought meaningful dialogue to the 60s, not Communism or anti-Semitism. To this day, neocons make a living abusing on campuses the right she fought and obtained for them. They used it to slander as you now use the internet. But remember, those who would push forward the minute hand on the American Krystanacht clock, thus abusing their internet freedoms, only invite a flood of anti-Semitic reactions on the very same internet that point to your slander. Israel is an over 60 years old fetus of a state living off of an engorged American $ placenta. America is broke and no matter what Congress does to give $10 billions a year to Israel, those who scream at the bailout of banks will just as loudly scream for cutting off Israel. Then you will regret having lost all the J Streeters who care for Israel as much as you. The very Christian Zionists of today will show their anti-Semitic side as they did yesterday. History has proven that for exaltation types it’s very easy to switch from &quot;Chosen people&quot; to &quot;killers of Christ&quot; once their need for cheap oil or other interests are at play. So if the placenta dries up and the anti-Semitic fires you fuel become a conflagration, where will you go? Where will all these Israeli right-wingers-- who today feel &quot;safe&quot; because they have dual passports-- go? Wouldn&#039;t it be better to engage your fellow Jews in meaningful dialogue and learn how to debate the facts rather than slander? After all, if Israel were so sure of itself Ambassador Oren would not have dual citizenship.

I was raised to believe that when you put six Jews in a room you get interminable debate over seven opinions. I bring that up when people confront me (and incredibly more now than ever do) with the notion of world Jewish conspiracy. It is you who seek to debase my argument by demanding uniformity where none is possible. Neocons thought themselves so smart following their former Leninist dictum: POLARIZE TO MOBILIZE. Finally you have polarized Jews. But what have you got? Wouldn&#039;t it be better to seek common ground by debate instead of slander?

Keep Jews together through meaningful dialogue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does seem to me that you are doing against J STREET exactly what your rules will not allow to be done by posters here, slandering instead of debating. That, I feel is dangerous. If you look back at the public picture of Bush and the neocons, right or wrong,  many Americans see Bush as dummy duped by Israel&#8217;s operatives, the neocons—whom themselves insisted that they are the only legitimate voice of American Jews. As a goy who looks closely at anti-Semitism under the sheets (where you can’t go to look) rather than wherever it erupts openly, I must tell you that it is simmering as a widespread super-volcano underground and when it will erupt it will be massive and all pervasive as an American Krystalnacht. The case about FIFTH COLUMN is already discretely disseminated quite widely and meets with little resistance. Nothing solidifies it like the chutzpah of impugning the motives of critics. The neocon call for &#8220;World War IV&#8221; against Islam caused one of their adherents, Fukuyama, to question why all this bringing &#8220;democracy&#8221; Crusade is limited to Arab nations. For that, the neocons accused one of their own of anti-Semitism! There is still lingering suspicion of Israel&#8217;s participation or prior knowledge of 9/11, right or wrong, among many Americans who read blogs just as declarative as yours. We live in an era where disseminated notions via the internet live on forever as building blocs for later theories, seeming soooooo legit when footnoted with URLs. AIPAC has quite a dubious record as a backflow of US aide $ to Israel  come back here as propaganda support, so why expose itself by attacking J STREET? Please explain for the GOYIM MAJORITY in America on what basis do you think that Arab support discredits J STREET. Does that make them less Jewish or less American than you? Is your goal to make it seem like an Arab mouthpiece? Bravo, you attack your own Jewish children, chasing them away from the synagogue, and then wonder why ADL&#8217;s Foxman had to explain to a Jerusalem meeting of &#8220;Jewish students feeling oppressed on campuses abroad because they are Jews&#8221; that ADL has not been supporting Zionism because it has been too busy &#8220;fighting assimilation&#8221; of Jews in goy society.  Can’t you confront ideas in MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE&#8211; especially when it is your fellow Jews&#8211; or is slander and assault on motive for not supporting your views all you can do? If it&#8217;s all you can do, keep two things in mind: 1) You are losing MOST Jews because MOST JEWS live in the Diaspora and deem Israel a nice place to visit but not to live while very many Israelis get their degrees and move out to the Diaspora; 2) Jewish culture and ethic are the strongest and richest contribution Jews have ever made to Diaspora civilization. By demanding parrot-like compliance in order for you to restrain your scandalous slander (slander that could be deadly to all Jews because of your recklessness) you force young Jews into emersion AWAY from their roots and lose them forever religiously, culturally and as Zionists. As they face ostracization through slander by the likes of Kramer and yourselves, the same standards are applied to you but it is not these Jews you chased out that come after you but raging mobs who feel you took them for &#8220;dumb goyim&#8221; with your propaganda that, in the end, led to a lot of dead non-Jews fighting Israel&#8217;s battles. If you need evidence just read the Daniel Report commentary in the US Army Journal PARAMETERS by one of its authors: AN AMERICAN JEW who seems to forget his nationality by speaking as a policy maven of the Israeli military.</p>
<p>I grew up with Jews as fellow refugees and my mentors were survivors of a double Holocaust, Hitler&#8217;s and Stalin&#8217;s. They taught me that violence in words and deeds only begets violence that is overwhelming. Better, they argued, to engage in meaningful dialogue. To my amazement, at UC Berkeley in 1964, it was NYC Communist American Jews who fomented a FREE SPEECH student revolution, supported by the Conservatives, and when they won they did not call for a Red Revolution but for MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE. The then college age neocons were hiding under their beds. Bettina Aptheker can be slandered by you for a lot of things but as a good Jew more than a good Communist she brought meaningful dialogue to the 60s, not Communism or anti-Semitism. To this day, neocons make a living abusing on campuses the right she fought and obtained for them. They used it to slander as you now use the internet. But remember, those who would push forward the minute hand on the American Krystanacht clock, thus abusing their internet freedoms, only invite a flood of anti-Semitic reactions on the very same internet that point to your slander. Israel is an over 60 years old fetus of a state living off of an engorged American $ placenta. America is broke and no matter what Congress does to give $10 billions a year to Israel, those who scream at the bailout of banks will just as loudly scream for cutting off Israel. Then you will regret having lost all the J Streeters who care for Israel as much as you. The very Christian Zionists of today will show their anti-Semitic side as they did yesterday. History has proven that for exaltation types it’s very easy to switch from &#8220;Chosen people&#8221; to &#8220;killers of Christ&#8221; once their need for cheap oil or other interests are at play. So if the placenta dries up and the anti-Semitic fires you fuel become a conflagration, where will you go? Where will all these Israeli right-wingers&#8211; who today feel &#8220;safe&#8221; because they have dual passports&#8211; go? Wouldn&#8217;t it be better to engage your fellow Jews in meaningful dialogue and learn how to debate the facts rather than slander? After all, if Israel were so sure of itself Ambassador Oren would not have dual citizenship.</p>
<p>I was raised to believe that when you put six Jews in a room you get interminable debate over seven opinions. I bring that up when people confront me (and incredibly more now than ever do) with the notion of world Jewish conspiracy. It is you who seek to debase my argument by demanding uniformity where none is possible. Neocons thought themselves so smart following their former Leninist dictum: POLARIZE TO MOBILIZE. Finally you have polarized Jews. But what have you got? Wouldn&#8217;t it be better to seek common ground by debate instead of slander?</p>
<p>Keep Jews together through meaningful dialogue!</p>
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		<title>By: God Bles Israel</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/showdown-on-j-street/#comment-437447</link>
		<dc:creator>God Bles Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palestinians use children as shields, they hide their weapons among civilian housing, they hide their faces when they&#039;re out and about. I love Israel and how she defends herself at all times.  All of you morons how back Hams or any of the terrorists are compelte and total boneheads...they will kill you  as quickly as they can once they are done using you........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palestinians use children as shields, they hide their weapons among civilian housing, they hide their faces when they&#8217;re out and about. I love Israel and how she defends herself at all times.  All of you morons how back Hams or any of the terrorists are compelte and total boneheads&#8230;they will kill you  as quickly as they can once they are done using you&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: julian f</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/showdown-on-j-street/#comment-436123</link>
		<dc:creator>julian f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J-street is trying to change a decades-long, mutually self-destructive relationship between the U.S. and Israel.  Your screed against this message is factually baseless and at its heart an appeal to racist fears and warmongering tendencies.

As long as we as a nation blindly support Israel&#039;s every foreign policy blunder or, yes, war crime, they will continue unhindered.  As an added plus, we engender the animosity of the Muslim world when we prop up criminal regimes. We&#039;re doing it in Afghanistan and in Iraq.  Through our explicit denial of any possible wrongdoing on the part of the Israeli government in any situation, we ensure that peace will never come to the region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J-street is trying to change a decades-long, mutually self-destructive relationship between the U.S. and Israel.  Your screed against this message is factually baseless and at its heart an appeal to racist fears and warmongering tendencies.</p>
<p>As long as we as a nation blindly support Israel&#8217;s every foreign policy blunder or, yes, war crime, they will continue unhindered.  As an added plus, we engender the animosity of the Muslim world when we prop up criminal regimes. We&#8217;re doing it in Afghanistan and in Iraq.  Through our explicit denial of any possible wrongdoing on the part of the Israeli government in any situation, we ensure that peace will never come to the region.</p>
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		<title>By: David P</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/showdown-on-j-street/#comment-430157</link>
		<dc:creator>David P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J Street message is ridiculous, what is this &#039;approach&#039; to peace that is so unique?  Throw down your rifles and &quot;hope&quot; for &quot;change&quot; is not applicable in Israel.  Eventually J Street will be exposed for its lack of validity and support will dwindle as it garners the stigma of a fringe &amp; extremist organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J Street message is ridiculous, what is this &#8216;approach&#8217; to peace that is so unique?  Throw down your rifles and &#8220;hope&#8221; for &#8220;change&#8221; is not applicable in Israel.  Eventually J Street will be exposed for its lack of validity and support will dwindle as it garners the stigma of a fringe &amp; extremist organization.</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Alan</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/showdown-on-j-street/#comment-429276</link>
		<dc:creator>The Other Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zionist Israel, the Golden Calf of the Jewish people.  We will lose our souls the further we head down this path.  At best it offers discrimination and segregation.  At worst it is Israel&#039;s one true existential threat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zionist Israel, the Golden Calf of the Jewish people.  We will lose our souls the further we head down this path.  At best it offers discrimination and segregation.  At worst it is Israel&#8217;s one true existential threat.</p>
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		<title>By: Bethesda</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/showdown-on-j-street/#comment-429011</link>
		<dc:creator>Bethesda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting how many of the comments on Clemon&#039;s blog, The Washington Note, are flirting with outright antisemitism. These aren&#039;t posts of people with principled disagreements with Israel or its policies; like so many leftists they&#039;re consumed by hatred of Israel and Jews.

Israel is a great country, a democratic and moral one, no matter how much the haters try to distort reality and lie about the facts of her appropriate acts of self-defense in Gaza.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how many of the comments on Clemon&#8217;s blog, The Washington Note, are flirting with outright antisemitism. These aren&#8217;t posts of people with principled disagreements with Israel or its policies; like so many leftists they&#8217;re consumed by hatred of Israel and Jews.</p>
<p>Israel is a great country, a democratic and moral one, no matter how much the haters try to distort reality and lie about the facts of her appropriate acts of self-defense in Gaza.</p>
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		<title>By: David P</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/showdown-on-j-street/#comment-428334</link>
		<dc:creator>David P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, 
&quot;American interests&quot; have shifted for the &quot;personal reasons&quot; of a few, making them &quot;personal interests,&quot; NOT the interests of America.  This is why AIPAC doesn&#039;t endorse blind new strategies that evolve from academia experimentally embracing an approach regardless of the obvious &amp; severe consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,<br />
&#8220;American interests&#8221; have shifted for the &#8220;personal reasons&#8221; of a few, making them &#8220;personal interests,&#8221; NOT the interests of America.  This is why AIPAC doesn&#8217;t endorse blind new strategies that evolve from academia experimentally embracing an approach regardless of the obvious &amp; severe consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/showdown-on-j-street/#comment-428159</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To suggest that the American/Israeli special relationship is symmetric is preposterous: it is the relationship of the giant to the dwarf.  To suggest that Israel has the freedom to defy American interests in any serious manner does not pass the straight face test, or perhaps people are forgetting 1973.

Apart from the cupidity of the arms merchants, Israel enjoys overwhelming support among the American people because, emerging from the grim shadow of the Holocaust, Israel has largely tried to set an example as a moral, democratic state, and because Americans like an underdog.  To assume that this support will survive intransigence in the peace process *might* be a mistake, however, particularly if Americans decide they are tired of their national security being held hostage to the squabbling of two tiny groups of people over a desiccated piece of land about the size of New Jersey.  America has done too much to ensure the survival and prosperity of Israel to put up with disrespect from the AIPAC crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To suggest that the American/Israeli special relationship is symmetric is preposterous: it is the relationship of the giant to the dwarf.  To suggest that Israel has the freedom to defy American interests in any serious manner does not pass the straight face test, or perhaps people are forgetting 1973.</p>
<p>Apart from the cupidity of the arms merchants, Israel enjoys overwhelming support among the American people because, emerging from the grim shadow of the Holocaust, Israel has largely tried to set an example as a moral, democratic state, and because Americans like an underdog.  To assume that this support will survive intransigence in the peace process *might* be a mistake, however, particularly if Americans decide they are tired of their national security being held hostage to the squabbling of two tiny groups of people over a desiccated piece of land about the size of New Jersey.  America has done too much to ensure the survival and prosperity of Israel to put up with disrespect from the AIPAC crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/showdown-on-j-street/#comment-427995</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not the least bit scared of J Street, its J street that is scared now that it is being exposed for its treachery.</description>
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