Shock: Dept. of Defense Vindicates Fort Hood Killer
By granting PFC Abdo’s conscientious objector claim, the Army may have created trouble for themselves in the court martial of Major Hasan for the murder of his thirteen fellow soldiers at Fort Hood. Hasan’s attorney can now claim that by refusing to acknowledge Major Hasan’s claims under Islamic law as a conscientious objector and granting him an honorable discharge, the Army created irreconcilable conflict that prompted the Fort Hood massacre. And they can use the secretary of the Army’s decision in the Abdo case as proof.
But they have also created a greater problem. By bowing to the dictates of Islamic law, which defines the killing of a Muslim by another Muslim without right as terrorism, the U.S. Army has tacitly endorsed a religiously bigoted position that it is perfectly fine for Muslim service members to kill non-Muslims, but killing their co-religionists is totally out-of-bounds and is grounds for an honorable discharge. Is any other religion granted such accommodation? Will this decision help or discredit those Muslims serving honorably with both their fellow soldiers and the Muslim community?
Despite years of protestation by the U.S. government to the contrary, this decision vindicates all of these who have claimed that America is engaged in a war against Islam (including Osama bin Laden). The position that the Army now takes would also appear to acknowledge the classic Islamic doctrine of jihad that states that any incursion by non-Muslims into the lands of Dar al-Islam makes it an incumbent duty upon all Muslims everywhere to resist the “occupiers” — the position taken by al-Qaeda and every Islamic terrorist group on the planet.
How did the United States Army arrive at such a convoluted, ill-informed, contradictory, and self-defeating policy? By listening to the very Islamic “outreach” partners they have falsely assumed are operating in America’s best interests.
Given the number of muslims killed in Afghanistan and Iraq (amongst other places not involving the U.S.) by other muslims, I wouldn’t see an issue here. When a person signs a contract either as an enlisted soldier or a commissioned officer, language in the contract should indicate that by signing and taking the oath, they are acknowledging that they may be called to serve in combat against enemy forces of any religion, race, creed, ethnicity etc. Claiming C.O. status is a valid argument in a draft situation, but in an all voluntary force I see no need to even address the issue. If you sign up, plan on being in a position to kill someone. Or don’t accept the pay and benefits.
I am an active duty Navy recruiter. There is explicit wording regarding being a conscientious objector. That is covered in great depth before you are allowed to sign your contract and swear in. Obviously this is someone who planned this all along and had to real intentions of serving this country, PERIOD!
I know you mean “no intention”, and I think you’re right. Why would he have signed up at all? Thanks for the info.
The term 5th Column is applied to the enemy that infiltrates under the guise of an ordinary citizen while having to hide his true intentions, but now there is need for a new term where thanks to the stupidity of the citizens the enemy doesn’t have to hide his true intentions.
The enemy claims to want to serve the host country while espousing his loyalty to Islam and everything that it entails and the host country remains in a stupor.
This isn’t surprising to me. Of course this fine young man is being set up. Muslims have a strict policy against pornography of any kind. MUSLIMS SIMPLY DO NOT WATCH PORN! It’s impossible that this man (boy really) had child pornography. Islam is a peaceful religion that has strict moral norms that we can all learn from. As a dedicated progressive I respect all religions of peace. I regularly attend Code Pink meetings and am VERY aware of how this nation is bent on killing peaceful Muslims for no reason other than blind hatred, oil, and to expand the American empire. And to better position the country in the emerging baklava and cous-cous markets. This poor boy should be released at once and be given a personal apology by the real religious perpetrator of violence: GEORGE BUSH!
“MUSLIMS SIMPLY DO NOT WATCH PORN!”
Yes, they do. Don’t be a child.
There have also been many cases of the jihadis using porn to transmit hidden messages. Seriously. Stop snickering.
Rob, I suspect LovelyEarth is just yanking your chain. I mean, no one can be that patently, even transparently, obtuse.
You’re right, of course, that Muslims are no stranger to porn. Lots of porn flows into Saudi cell phones. Recently an Egyptian woman spoke publicly about bringing back the institution of sex slavery, and we’ve all heard about Shiite “temporary marriages”. If a rape is committed in Scandinavia, odds are (and the statistics confirm it) the culprit is a young Muslim immigrant. And many jihadists, including some of the 9/11 hijackers, are known to have frequented strip clubs.
I’m pretty sure they found a ton of porn on OSB’s hard drive. I guess he was preparing for his 72 V’s in heaven.
With regard to the 72 V(irgins)…since 2008, the afterlife has run out of female virgins and substituted male virgins.
LE is dedicated to this odd form of sarcasm.
Around here, we have a phrase: “dumb as dirt ..”
The strange mental instabilities of the democrats leave in their wake the constant droning whines and cries that Christians are thus only conveniently on Sundays while the rest of the week they wreak their sinful havok in the most unwelcoming manner to all, yet out of the same deranged minds spews the certainty that Islamic fundies not of the Christian stripe practice their virtues religiously and shun any associated by absolute error shockingly vulgar beliefs not at all.
Hence, our traitorous and deranged smoked out dope brained libtardocrats shriek fiery horrors at Falwell even towards the earth magma core where they claim he resides, and praise muslim CAIR and Obama’s fundamentalist Koran worshipful childhood as heroic human achievement beyond the realms of all known purity.
LovelyEarth’s sarcasm had no error whatsoever in content, even if the delivery was exposed parrotry of what we’ve all heard a thousand times from every active democrat currently in the USA.
They are all absolutely insane liars, and they obviously cannot help themselves, no matter the consequences.
LOL.
Great parody, and close enough to the real thing to be semi-convincing.
Yes, left wingers really are this insane.
LOL! You get them every time!
Islamistss don’t read child pornography.
They don’t have to. They can marry six year olds and have sex with them when they are nine. They can stone a woman to death because she has been raped and absolve her rapist. They can behead someone just because he is an infidel. They can murder innocents in nightclub or at a wedding. They can take umbrage at a picture published in a magazine and think it is just fine to blow up churches or other buildings and kill people by the tens or thousands.
These niceties of language are so convenient. But truth is truth and until Muslims are willing to say that there is a difference between goodies and baddies in the Muslim community, we will never be able to communicate properly.
More Muslims are killed by fellow Muslims than are ever killed by our service people. Why doesn’t this upset Muslims?
I heard they don’t look at the child pornography; They just get it to read the articles.
The problem with trying to decypher the “good” ones from the “bad” is that ALL muslim (islams) follow the SAME teachings, so it only stands to reason that they are ALL capable of the exact same carnage, or they are ALL not. There is NO difference in ANY of the teachings that those who commit these barbaric acts follow and those who have yet to commit them (or who only contribute financially and not physically to the acts as ALL are commanded to). They ALL follow the same Koran, Surrah, Hadith, to not follow them is to NOT be muslim (islam). A person cannot claim to be Christian, yet NOT follow, or believe in any of the teachings of Jesus. As such, mohhamed comanded ALL of his followers to kill infedels, etc.
Forgive me, but this is silly. Christians who believe the same thing do wildly different things; there are plenty of dead Jews to prove it. And the same goes for religious Jews. We all believe the same things, yet the same beliefs lead some of us to go out on hilltops in Judea and build settlements (against the wishes of the government), and others to oppose the State iteslf. Of course, most of us are in the middle.
No, what we consider internet child porn Muslims call “Match.com”
Your one note joke ran out of gas before you left the garage. 30 times now, 40?
lovely earth needs to get her head out and let the sunshine on it! funniest most ignorant comment. They found porn in Osama’s house…sweetie, get a grip on reality.
LovelyEath: Either you are lying, have your head in the sand, or you are just prejudiced. I know of many “Muslims” that view pornography. Not only that, but marry out of convenience, like for papers, and when they get into some of these marriages, they beat their poor wives, and/or try to take the children away from them. Yep, right,…..peaceful, loving, law-abiding “Muslims”. Many of these “Muslims” are just like any other man on earth, it does not matter where you come from. I say, castrate them all! All the ones that mean to do harm!
In regards to this CON. OBJ., I would throw the book at them. Shame on those that ceded to these people because they felt threathened. NO SHARI’AH LAW IN THE U.S.A.!!! They have NO business living in this country.
Hey Lovely, When the shootin starts due to the likes of you and code STINK, you will become SCORCHED EARTH!
You are an Id_T! to say such a thing is ridiculous! They are consumed by their wanton ways, that is why they make up laws that protect them, and make ways for them to have their way with sex slaves, and the whole reason the women dress like they do, to hide every inch of their skin, so man will be incited to RAPE her! And then end up dead, because he then has to protect himself form her. I think all they ever think about is ………….. What ever! Sharia law is made up by men that, have set out to invent ways to misbehave and lay the blame on their victims,
@LovelyEarth – BWAAA-hahahahahahahahaha! “Muslims simply do not watch porn”! Yeah, and they don’t drink booze and Islam is the religion of peace. Hahahahahahahaha!
Progressive must be a synonym for naive. During the time I spent in the “keeper of the holy placees”, Saudi Arabia, I encountered pornography on the satellite TV in a guest house of a Saudi national. The idea that Saudis are incorruptable is just the imagination of those who have little world experience.
Progressivism and it’s sibling Liberalism is a mental illness. Any such delusions of being better able to decide what is good for others is a mental illness and should be stamped out. Progressives who support muslims are obviously so mentally ill that they are self damaging as they seem to have no idea what will happen to them if Islam takes over our country.
Levely Earth why don’t you go live in a muslim country and enjoy this peaceful releigion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7TbhJThBFl8
Islam can go to HELL!!
The rules of any religion are broken on a regular basis… there are also rules against pornography in all Christian religions. But it seems the tighter the rules are the more some individuals are tempted to break them. I have worked in many Muslim countries and have known many good Muslims who have down loaded pornography from the internet. I have known many christians who have done the same. So this doesn’t look like a “set up” to me.
Your post just proved once again to not only me, but EVERY Patriotic American what an IDIOT you and the progressives are.
YOU need to study Islam some more! They not only WATCH porn, but they BELIEVE in taking children as young as SIX (Yeah dummy, 6) as their WIVES. They believe in stoning, beheading, and cutting off the hand of a thief.
Islam is an EVIL way of life, it shouldn’t even be CALLED a “religion” it affects EVERYTHING from EVERY aspect of their lives.
By the Way. The Qu’ran calls for Muslims to Promote Sharia WORLDWIDE, and those So called “peaceful” Muslims you are talking about, are either SLEEPERS, or they are LYING. (WHICH the Qu’ran instructs them to do to further their agenda) It also calls for Infidels to be KILLED or made into SLAVES.
Now I KNOW you are not too darn bright because of your ideology, but consider this. TO be a “GOOD” Muslim, you are to follow the Qu’ran, those that you just commented on must NOT be “good” Muslims according to the Qu’ran, and thus according to IT, they are ALSO to be killed.
MUSLIMS HATE US–They HATE Infidels, they HATE our way of life, and if they can, they will cut your head off as soon as look at you! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!
The first key ID feature that Lovelyearth’s post was pure sarcasm was the line about the cous-cous and baklava market. I’ll admit, I started to get mad until I read that part. I’m an Iraq war vet, and I’m not laying down my life in defense of s**tty food. Perhaps some attention to detail would go a long way. Save your anger for the progressives, people.
You are correct, but I love Couscous and Baklava. MAybe the stuf here in Israel is better. Do come here and try some. And thank you a thousand times for your service.
Do you know Iraq is still legally at war with us?
You nearly had me until the “And to better position the country in the emerging baklava and cous-cous markets” Great piss-take but I’m sure there will be a number of boof-heads that think you’re serious. The other point you make about porn is a very good one. One of the most common things found on nearly all of the hard-drives of PCs and laptops recovered from Islamic terrorists including even Bin Laden himself is porn. Lots of it and frequently as deviant as hell. Kinda fits in with old Mo hisself – a good ‘ol mass-murdering paedophile if there ever was one!
Just wondering….what color is the sky in your world??
Muslims don’t watch porn…but they sure do like to pork one another up the keister. Homosexuality is rampant in Islamic countries. Why hasn’t CIC taken this dude out yet in an accident?
I hereby dub all such persons: The Sixth Column. Enemies who join the military of a potential enemy, then when the time comes to fight against persons of their ilk, they claim CO status or request transfer to other venues.
Well, an awful lot of American men were German Americans and they had no qualms about killing other Germans. There were no braver Americans than the Nisei troops of WW2, who were singled out by the Japanese to be killed in unspeakable ways after capture, or to be mutilated upon death. Neither of these people-groups had a problem with killing soldiers of their own race/former country. It is ONLY Islam in which this unique situation rears its head. Deport the f-ing lot of them as a security risk and ban Islamists from serving in the US military.
Are you nucking futs or WHAT??
He’s attempting satire.
How can you possibly be this naive and still function on this planet?
Er, you’re supposed to asdd a tag to a parody post.
If somehow this isn’t parody, then you’re mentally ill.
When did this guy threaten fellow soldiers? The validity of his CO claim aside (which isn’t very valid), I think its quite a stretch of logic to suggest that because Hasan argued for CO status as a Muslim and proceeded to kill fellow soldiers, that anyone else that might claim CO status as a Muslim is also going to kill fellow soldiers.
Mat,
Be serious…
“I think its quite a stretch…to suggest that because Hasan….as a Muslim…proceeded to kill fellow soldiers, that anyone else….as a Muslim is also going to kill fellow soldiers.”
The guy said no muslim can even SERVE in the US military…
He openly says Islam in incompatable with ANY US military activity….
When a Muslim believes Islam is “the law” , then “the law” is quite clear to them.
They will kill the infidels.
Its not “quite a stretch” its a commomly demonstrated FACT of their behavior.
If he actually feels that way, that the US military is the enemy of all Muslims, they he would have no problem with this result.
We charge him with treason, giving aid and comfort to our enemies. We convict him. We execute him.
That way he can be a Muslim martyr, and we have one less traitor.
So the US military is now observing Sharia. Great. So the end of the US has truly begun. Maybe Texas can secede after all and we can let the Muslims have the north?
Then Texas can declare war on the North and West coast and clean up the U.S.!
AMEN!
I assume this kid is doing this primarily for political/religious purposes. He gets an automatic following from the anti-war libs as well as Islamic organizations like CAIR; anti-American Muslim organizations and Iraq War objectors get a quick ride with the media for a little bit. I’m actually surprised we don’t get more people like Abdo trying to game the system and enlist just to make a point a few months later, or maybe I’m overestimating the willingness of young Muslims, gays, anti-war supporters, etc. to “infiltrate” the armed forces and get attention to their bizarre ideologies.
Jordan,
Yeah, its PC and PR all the way.
The media is eating this up, the poor muslim…
“… will be at danger of harassment and even death from his fellow soldiers, many of whom will be resentful of PFC Abdo’s religious beliefs and his desire to be discharged from the military”
No mention that his fellow soldiers might be in fear of THEIR lives, because an angry, unhappy MUSLIM who doesnt agree with the mission might SHOOT THEM WHILE THEY SLEEP ala Major Hassan.
Whats been more commonplace in the Armed forces since 9/11?
A muslim soldier being murdered by angry Christians?
Or angry mulims killing fellow soldiers?
Yeah, thought so
If Iraqis and Iranians killed each other in a war and Iraq invaded and killed Kuwaitis clearly Muslims can kill Muslims. Muslin murder bombers kill more Muslims than Christians so it must be OK. Muslims kill each other in Libya, Egypt, Syria and a host of other places. Any Muslim that used CO to get out of the military is a coward or a political tool. Give them a General discharge and make them pay back any loans they have and then pay for their training that they got by being dishonest.
P.S. Male on male child porn is very popular in Muslim circles, and sex with little boys is more prevalent in Madrassas then in Catholic schools. Do a little research.
If it was up to me, NO Muslim would ever be allowed to serve in our armed forces, period.
And this article sums up why, nicely.
Agreed.
This latest instance with that U.S. soldier and the Secy of the Army and this Jack-In-The-Box sharia question is just one more of the Muslim/Islamist inch-by-inch infiltration into our legal and military establishments. Forget this “all-inclusive” B.S. It simply isn’t working for us; it’s working against us.
And, it give me yet another opportunity to cite the need for the absolute quarantine and isolation of all Muslim activity in the United States….look what has already happened in England, France and Holland….why do we tighten these blinders on ourselves? We must stop this “do-good-ism”, and eliminate our diffidence in this dangerous pursuit of not offending anyone or anything….nations and ideologies, particularly.
We’re fighting our Islamist enemy with one arm tied behind our backs….tightly tied there by no one else but ourselves. What additional evidence of this do we need?
Ah c’mon now, how about drafting all moslems between the ages of 8 & 80 to serve as range targets. One could get real inventive, maybe train a bunch of pigs to chase them around & then our soldiers would have moving targets too.
@Dave Surls: I so agree with you and others here. We need to stop letting these people into our country. They CAN NOT be trusted. Some people in government are just so stupid. Didn’t they learn from history taught in Universities and Colleges? Or are they REALLY AFRAID of OBAMA? In which case, they have NO business running our country!
I’m an immigrant. When I enlisted, a whole section of MOSs/AFSCs were not available to me. And I’m from an allied nation (The UK). Even after my citizenship was finalized, it took a while to get a clearance.
A friend of mine enlisted in the 1990s–former Soviet. She had no trouble at all.
I guess next we’ll be recruiting AQ members and giving them SCI clearances.
I really don’t see a problem with tagging certain groups as potential threats, for greater scrutiny.
After all, they do it for white “Extremist” groups.
Does PFC Nasser Abdo have a decade of service under his belt? Because we have been at war with Muslims for about ten years. He VOLUNTEERED to serve in a combat unit during two wars in Muslim nations (were are up to 4 now). Refusing to deploy should result in a Bad Conduct Discharge.
That Muslims not fighting other Muslims thing is BS. I was in a war 20 years ago with us, Saudis and Kuwaitis against Iraq. I didn’t hear any of them complaining.
Time to barf up my dinner… I’ll get back to the rest of the postings when I recover from this shock…..
I had the same reaction. Just leaves me speechless. But, of course, you can understand what is happening – the Americans hire Muslim Brotherhood advisers, gov’t. agencies are full of them, under Obama, more than ever.
It’s like hiring Nazis as advisers during WWII.
Because Obama is a moslem. He continually acts to support sharia and islamic jihad. He is a traitor as well as a sociopath and must be convicted and imprisoned- forever. Worse, he probably will be re-elected by the same moral morons who elected him in the first place; aided and abetted by the votes of numerous insane, retarded, criminal, deceased and ficticious persons. And that pretty well describes his voter base.
For muslims, the excuse is always “Those muslims aren’t muslim enough”
That’s why muslims kill muslims.. PFC Abdo’s claim for CO Status is bunk..
All his CO would have to say is “The muslims you are fighting aren’t being proper muslims”.. Claim denied.
but the fact is, the ‘terrorists’ are the ‘proper muslims’..
So, that means the Army acknowledges ‘peaceful muslims’ are not true muslims..
Hmmm… Unintended consequence, perhaps?
There’s another point that the writer missed. Muslims engage in wars with other Muslims all the time. There’s no law in Islam against wars between Muslims per se. Iran and Iraq fought a war in the 80s that lasted most of the decade and was very bloody, and throughout history Muslims have fought each other with considerable savagery. In most instances, *each* side claims to have Allah fighting alongside them, so it’s okay for them to make war on other Muslims. The rule you’re quoting says that Muslims are prohibited from killing other Muslims “without right.” When they agreed that this guy had conscientious objector status, they implicity agreed that the war in Afghanistan is “without right.” This isn’t just bad, it’s incredibly incompetent. Someone needs to smack whoever made this decision, hard.
Let him have a muslim solution. Off with his head.
Another fact
muslims are always superior.. so, being ‘ordered’ to do ANYTHING by any non-muslim is against their ‘religion’…
There’s not even a law against muslims killing each other on religious grounds. They do it as regularly as rain.
The individual soldier is not allowed to judge the justice of the war. He should be shot for desertion in time of war by firing squad composed of the members of his unit.
Mannie,
Not intended as a criticism, but this is a little redundant:
“There’s not even a law against muslims killing each other on religious grounds.”
Sharia is islams’ religious, legal and political doctrine. There are no separate grounds.
Most of the worlds non-muslims don’t understand this, or are willfully ignorant. Especially idiot liberal commentators who put for the the absurd idea that U.S. law should recognize parts of sharia in legal proceedings involving muslims, while at the same time insisting the “separation of church and state” exists somewhere in the U.S. Constitution. Douche bags.
(yes, I intentionally used lower case for all things muslim.)
Yes. For the life of me, I cannot understand their “willful ignorance”. I mean, don’t they read? Watch the news? I mean,have you checked out the FBI’s most wanted list lately? Is there such a think as hyper-politcally correct, essentially the same thing as blind stupidity?
There are Christians who have sought conscientious objector status, but that was generally an effort to stay out of the military. Somebody who joins and then says he can’t kill coreligionists (no word about killing non-coreligionists) has an agenda. I say get rid of him and everybody like him. They’re a danger to our soldiers.
Rebecca,
Exactly right. He never said he couldnt bring himself to harm another HUMAN BEING, only another MUSLIM.
To him, only Muslims matter…
A clear indicator he is a threat to other human beings
The secretary of the Army appears to be one John McHugh. Let his name be known.
As the saying goes: “He’s not against war, he’s just on the other side.” How about he pays back the salary he’s earned under the false pretense of being an American soldier rather than an Islamic Jihadi?
I was shocked! Just kidding. An Indiana soldier is serving 12 1/2 years in prison after shooting a Taliban in his prison cell because the Taliban killed his chaplain. More proof that military intelligence is a oxymoron.
The secretary of the army is a civilian and does not necessarily have the best interests of the US Army in mind. He is, after all, part of the Obama regime.
A substantive quibble with the last sentence of the otherwise splendid article:
“…falsely assumed…”
“falsely” here implies awareness of the errors the author details, with those errors consciously perpetrated for the express purpose of deceit. “assumed” here implies non-ironic belief in the content of the phrase. I’d suggest “incorrectly” instead of “falsely” here. Or does the author believe that the US Military is presenting a pro forma assumption of the patriotic foundation of CAIR et al as an outright ruse? In which case “falsely dissembled to assume” is more explicit and accurate, though admittedly that’s a bit of a mouthful. Or is the truth somewhere in the nonspecific middle… perhaps cowardly not wanting to know or not believing it is worth the political fallout to face that domestic foe right now…
Mr. Poole,
The problem transcends administrations and political parties. Quite simply, there is a refusal to look critically at the people and groups who are relied upon to provide guidance on Islam. For example, the Fatwa the Army and PFC Nasser Abdo relied upon was issued by the Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America (AMJA) prohibiting Muslims, a group linked to the Muslim Brotherhood (See below for quote from Gertz article.) Surely the Department of Defence can find a more reputable (Higher religious authority) source to repudiate the Fatwa.
Not that I would want Abdo in my tent.
Readers should also read Reza Kahlili’s June 20, 2011 article “Iranian Commander: ‘We Have Infiltrated America and the UK’” http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/iranian-commander-%e2%80%98we-have-infiltrated-america-and-the-uk%e2%80%99/ . The Iranians might not mean they have people ready to kill and maim the infidel. They might just mean they (the Shia) have infiltrated the corridors of power. The Sunnis certainly have.
“Paul Sperry, a journalist who specializes in Islamist extremism, said the AMJA is known to be close to Muslim Brotherhood leaders who often pose as moderate American Muslim scholars.
“Many of them teach Islam at the Muslim Brotherhood-controlled American Open University,” he said. “That’s why their rulings are so strict in their compliance to medieval Shariah code, including advocating adherence to barbaric ‘hudood’ punishments for crimes against Islam.” Hudood is the Islamic practice of beheading apostates, cutting off the limbs of thieves or stoning women for infidelity.”
Nope. Wrong again. While the “problem” may transcend administrations and political parties the real problem is that we will not fight for OUR foundational freedoms. Where is the policy that says any country that refuses to endorse the U.S. Constitutions First Amendment is necessarily an enemy of freedom? Does it make any sense at all to have people in the military that follow a religion that abuses the idea of the First Amendment? If we were actually fighting to install freedom instead of letting them be free to install sharia we’d be able to sort out the enemies quickly. NO VISAS or AID to any country where it’s people can’t or won’t endorse the proven rules of freedom!
Hear! Hear!
Fine. If he wants to be a contentious objector, he can be. Give him training as a medic, but do not arm him. He can help rescue the wounded from battle. That’s not fighting. He can translate languages for the troops. He can drive a truck of supplies. He can do office work. There are all sorts of things that are not combat related that he can do.
The US military has done this ever since WW I (The Great War).
Whatever his religious objection, he is not the first contentious objector, and he won’t be the last. Nevertheless, he will serve this country in some capacity, or he should be sent to prison for treason.
This’ll put him at the top of the list for promotion…
The solution is really simple. Do not allow Muslims into the US Armed Forces. Better yet, do not allow them into the United States and stop all Muslim immigration. This “religion” is totally alien to our country and brings no benefit whatsoever.
Give all of the Mohammedans dishonorable discharges. Whatever privileges they gained, revoke them. If they are foreign born, deport them. We are not safe with them in our midst.
Muhammad married a six year old, and raped her at nine. Following Muhammad is Islam, and Muslims are here in America to be Americans on paper only.
ROPMA!
Political correctness is the most dangerous ideology this country has ever faced and it allows those who do wrong to escape penalty and those who do no wrong to be punished.
America is finished. Once the entirety of the Third World is here stripping underground cable for copper and sleeping in a shanty town in your backyard maybe you’ll finally get angry and actually do something.
“I realized through further reflection that God did not give legitimacy to the war in Afghanistan, Iraq or any war the U.S. Army would conceivably participate in.”
So why did he join? Why are muslims allowed to join period? If their religion bans them from performing their duty,they have no business being allowed to volunteer.
If he was using the military to gain citizenship it should be removed.The kiddie porn should get him the dishonorable discharge and jail time.Then deport him.
“Fort Hood killer Major Nidal Hasan made identical claims and threatened that “adverse events” would occur if military officials didn’t accede to shariah principles.The warning occurred during a June 2007 Power Point presentation that was part of his psychiatric residency program.
This is pure garbage.He freeloaded an education then cried and threatened that he should be treated special because he follows laws other than those he swore to defend and protect.Not to mention psychiatrist don’t participate in battle.
I bet their brother muslims would glady exterminate them.
When the truth is apparent for their actions have spoken louder than words based on the religion of peace, islam.
History has shown that the weak will die due the religion of peace they shall say according to the teaching of isl am all infidels and non believers, if there is a difference, must die. If we as a planetary people do not wake up to these actions and accept the fact the time has come to review their believe system we as a planet shall suffer a new dark age of man for which few shall survive.
The world has only retreated in the face of these attacks soon there
will be no place to run. Aesop noted: We often give our enemies the
means to our own destruction.
Nothing to see move along………….nothing to see please move along….
To anyone living in the USA who isn`t willing to abide by our proven laws, speak our language, respect our flag and serve in our military, PLEASE just go back to where you came from. I`m sick and tired of watching the good citizens of our country try to accomodate, bow to and reduce the dignity of our God-given rights only to be sneered at by the muslims we`ve allowed to enjoy the
country built by and defended by true Americans. Go Home, wherever that is.
God Blesses the U S A !!!!
That’s essentially the real problem. Too many people are allowed to “immigrate” to the USA. No other country allows unfettered access, yet the federal government insists on ignoring the federal law.
The democrats think that by allowing anyone to come here without any system of vetting, those “immigrants” will vote democrat.
We can thank our state dept for the revolving and open door policy for Muslims, especially Saudi’s. Seems every administration is guilty of that. It is time for that to stop, but God knows the PC police will be shrieking to the heavens. Does the government really think it’s a great idea for a republic to essentially commit suicide by the continued immigration of those that will never share our values?
There is nobody in the military who didn’t enlist or reenlist since the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan started. Really, that should be all I need to say. You’re f#@!ing right he’s in danger, if anyone in either of the units I deployed to combat with (2nd Battalion, 1st Marines and 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines) tried to pull the “I can’t do my job because I don’t want to fight/kill”, we would have beaten the crap out of them. The military is a Brotherhood (and I’m not excluding all of the females serving, brotherhood just sounds tougher…); we’re a family. Siblings don’t respond well when a sibling turns their back on them. If you don’t want to fight, stay the hell out of the military. It is a military, after all.
Refusing to acknowledge something doesn’t mean that it isn’t happening. You can be a pacifist all you want: if somebody is punching you in the face, you are in a fight. Refusing to fight doesn’t mean that the other guy isn’t fighting. Similarly, refusing to acknowledge that we’re in a religious war doesn’t mean that our enemy doesn’t view this as a religious war. Post Crusades, the West did pretty well for itself. The most amazing technological advances the world could have imagined have been far surpassed by the “Christian” team (whatever your religious beliefs today, as Americans our nation descended from the Christin Crusaders), while the Muslim side has enjoyed far less success as a whole. God died in the West, while the Muslims held their faith as strongly as ever. Now, we suddenly find ourselves fighting the same people (I apologize for all of the blanket statements, but this post would be even longer if I qualified ALL of my statements), but since we have put down the banner of “In the Name of God”, we aren’t fighting for religious reasons. Sorry gents, but they are. Time to take off the “don’t offend anybody (and in doing so offend everybody)” pants and put on the “we’ve put up with this $#!t long enough” pants, truly acknowledge what we’re facing, and handle it. No, we are not at war with every Muslim on Earth. But I feel like it is justifiable to ask non-hostile Muslims for a little understanding in the present circumstances. As a white man, I am the scum of the earth: I have oppressed everyone based on their gender and or race (except other white men, of course). That’s what my nation tells me, and that’s why every statement I make is analyzed for racist and sexist tones. That is my reality, and while I privately complain, I live with it. Meanwhile, we have a faction of a certain religion who has waged unequivocal war against our nation, but we can’t even admit that it is a religious thing because that would offend people. SUCK IT UP! Nobody wins wars with blindfolds on (except Chuck Norris). Until the religious war stops, we have to at least acknowledge that any Muslim could be a part of the attack. I hate that crap, I don’t want to live like that! But I refuse to refuse to acknowledge it, because my life and those of my family and friends are more important to me than whether or not I’ve offended somebody. I’m sorry a group within your religion has made the rest of you look bad, Muslims, I really am. As a white male, I really can empathize. But you’re gonnna have to suck it up, just like I do…
And as for the “Muslims don’t watch porn” thing, we traded TONS of porn magazines to the Iraqi Army (Muslims, I believe) for all kinds of things. They were porn fanatics. When they found out we had laptops with porn, the would come knock at the hatches on our vehicles at ALL hours of the night. People rarely live up to the higher tenets of a religious construct. If these were all Christians (I’m not a Christian, but being a white guy, that is what is associated with me), nobody would have any trouble believing that this was a religious thing and not a political thing.
Very well said, and with experience. Thank you.
@nicodemus: I stand alongside you with a rifle. I am a woman with my boots on!
Conscientious objector status has been traditionally granted to draftees. We have, yet, another Obama screw-up! I know it was the Secretary of the Army who made this decision, but, Obama put him there! Since PFC Nasser Abdo is a volunteer I question such application. If he held these beliefs before enlistment he has committed fraud, and should be so charged. If he developed these beliefs after enlistment, as it has always been, no conscientious objector status.
A few years ago we traveled in Sicily and stayed at a boutique hotel in Syracuse. Surfing the local cable offerings at night we found over a hundred Arabic porn channels.
What was he thinking when he JOINED?? The US Military has to ask this of every soldier before enlisting, swearing allegiance to the United States of America. If he lied then it remains his problem and kick his @$$ all the way to the country of origin. We have to stop ACCOMODATING those who would kill us and no muslim should be enlisted in the army of a Christian nation. IS THIS NOT MADNESS?
Notice how Muslim conscientious objectors have a problem with killing other Muslims, while Christian conscientious objectors have a problem with killing ANYONE.
department of defense budget cuts need only involve removing the entrenched bureaucrats and statists
Conscientious objector status is not defined or intended as being so select that you don’t have to serve in a particular area based on a particular religion. The objection of conscious is based on not being willing to take a human life not being sympathetic towards the enemy. There are plenty of non-combatant positions that can be offered. The US military is defeating itself by allowing this sort of redefining of already existing conditions. How can anyone join the service and not expect the possibility to be deployed in a Muslim country since we are involved in combat operations in four and are also sitting in Bosnia while Islamics blows up Christian churches and monasteries on a weekly basis. This person should be brought on charges.
Conscientious Objector???!!! This guy isn’t against ALL war. He’s NOT a pacifist. In Gillette v. United States, 401 U.S. 437 (1971), the Supreme Court ruled against selective conscientious objection. This ruling still stands. There are only two explanations for PFC Obdo getting CO staus in this case. It’s either political Correctness gone amuck or just plain old cowardice. Either way, the person who made this decision simply has no spine.
This country is being run by PUSSYS…..drop kick the spineless bastard out of the USA………….
http://www.aifdemocracy.org/news.php?id=6187
These Muslims don’t support Abdo one little bit, and call him what he basically is: a coward, a traitor, and a de facto supporter of Muslim terrorists.
If all Muslims thought the way these guys do, then we wouldn’t have a problem, but, IMO, hardly any Muslims think this way, and taken as a group they can’t be relied upon to be loyal to this country. Even though it’s not fair to Muslims like these Muslims, a blanket ban on Muslims serving in the armed forces will enhance our ability to defeat Muslim terrorists, and this ain’t about being fair, it’s about crushing our enemies.
I believe the military & intelligence powers that be were very well aware of the Ft. Hood murderer’s activities & possibly intent. I think they left him in place thinking he’d inadvertantly be an avenue of intel for them. I think they stupidly believed they’d read signals enough to step in before he became an active operative for Islam. I am outraged that our US troops could be at risk like bait this way. We have CIA , Mossad, SASS operatives who do knowingly sign up for such duty. No Muslim should be in US service against other Muslim’s because no real Muslim can war against another Muslim in any war with non-muslim’s. Sharing barracks or a fox hole with known muslim’s is something no US troop should have to do. A muslim having an American’s back in open battle against another muslim is just plain outrageous to contemplate let alone be a reality!!!!
It is quite clear now that Muslim groups in the USA are engaged in fairly open subversion of the US Constitution and law and encouraging treason amongst Muslims serving in the US Armed Forces.
I’m in 95% agreement with Abdo and Hassan. They should both be discharged, poshumously. All other Muslims should be unceremoniously dumped from our millitary immediately, so that they can go fight for allah and a price should be put on each of their heads to be collected by whatever serviceman bags them.
Actually, we had two Muslims in our unit, one of North African heritage, and one white woman from Mississippi (Really). Neither had any problem being there or performing their mission. They’d spit on this POS.
OK so according to his religion he cannot kill a Muslim, but looking at naked children is just fine and dandy.
You know you cannot make this stuff up. I say cut his nuts off.
The reason for the switchover to male virgins as a heavenly reward is that most moslems prefer males, when camels are not available.Khomeini’s precious pigeons are altogether another issue.And we’re not even going near the sheep scene.
“Selective Conscientious Objectors” have never been recognized by the Army as real Conscientious Objectors.
“Politically correct” policies lead, eventually, to treason (providing aid and comfort to our enemies).
Talk about getting your knickers in a twist or should we say burqa in a twirl.
Whats next, check out the Monty Python Parade ground sketches on you tube.
A soldier can’t divided its alliance with somebody else neither shared it. The army can’t enter into the business of moulding itself into everybody’s needs and wishes. DIVERSITY AND MULTICULTURALISM PAVED THE WAY FOR THE END OF ROME!
Let’s see. You enlist to be a soldier. Unless you are brain dead you know soldiers kill people. But now you claim:
“I realized through further reflection that God did not give legitimacy to the war in Afghanistan, Iraq or any war the U.S. Army would conceivably participate in.”
OK. If you want to suddenly take CO status, then you should be required to personally refund to the taxpayers the entire cost of your training, lodging, food, and other supplies and expenses borne by the taxpayers.
In addition, you should be assigned to the dirtiest, most menial tasks possible for the rest of your term of enlistment, then be dishonorably discharged, lose your US citizenship and be expelled from the US and never allowed to return under pain of death.
Our own citizens with the ACLU wants all mention of GOD and especially JESUS removed from the public and forbids militery chaplains from praying with any association to GOD or JESUS BUT we are to allow muslims to kill us and to not fight the enemy if they are Muslim. YEAH this all sounds fair!!!!!!!!! It must if who ever is in charge (IT SURELY ISN’T THE AMERICAN CITIZEN) is allowinmg this to happen. Who are the ,lawyers that are considering defending this Muslim Major ( he isn”t an American , they should be tarred and feathered and sent to these muslim countries to live in the perfection of their society.Look around you and see the unrest in all the countries by the people that are tired of the BULL CRAP. America has fought within itself before and will again if this crap doesn’t stop.
To provide some correction: Chaplains may and do lead religious services of their particular faith, and specifically do invoke God, Jesus and Mary, etc.
When providing a benediction to a unit as a whole, outside of the chaplain, the language must be neutral as to faith. That’s because not everyone is a Christian, or even the same type of Christian, and some of us aren’t religious at all.
I’d deploy him, and suggest he ask each person he’s fighting for their affiliation, and grant him the privilege of not shooting back at them if it bothers him.
With all due respect, and I mean with all due respect (look it up!! it’s in the Geneva Convention!!), Muslims do not watch or read pornography when in their own Muslim lands (supposedly not anyway), nor do they consume alcohol in their own Muslim lands. However, given my extensive experience, they do so often and with wild abandon when in “infidel” lands and away from home. I sincerely hope LE isn’t as ignorant as so many of our obtuse “everyone should just get along” fellow citizens (I won’t say liberal, because I don’t want to besmirch them that much). However, since there are so many out there that believe the criminals and terrorists waging the “jihad” are true Muslims, I imagine she/he is. Yes, there are people out there who believe it is okay to murder innocent people (Muslim, Christian, or otherwise). Those are the people we are trying to prevent from killing Americans, non-Americans (whatever their religion), and reigning terror on the Nations they are attempting to subjugate. They would corrupt those Nations and use them to stage further attacks on whomever they believe are infidels, attempting to bring Islamic rule and Shariah law to the world.
And furthermore, since we are speaking of the great “American” devils who bring so much evil to the world, who among the ACLU flag bearers and the “let’s all get along” crowd have ponied up and admitted the official and unofficial slave trade among the racist Islamic states, who believe it is right and just to enslave (mostly white females) infidels based on their non-Islamic beliefs? Well, to be fair, they do enslave female Muslims, also. And for sex, no less (but it’s NOT porn!!). How on earth are these “true” Muslims endeared to the leftist idiocracy? Politically, there are plenty of these oil (er.. gift) bearing Muslims who are supported in many ways by both sides of the political spectrum, so we cannot demonize only the left leaning, “though shalt not wage war or protect your nation” cowards. However, it seems the only group with enough huevos to protect our nation understand the true nature of our enemies – hateful and vile.
PaddyUSArmy.” Muslims do not watch or read pornography….nor do they consume alcohol in their own Muslim lands.” This is what muslims have us infidels believe or they say to us. They do every thing under the sun,behind closed doors.Just go to YouTube and type in ” afghan bacha bazi” also ” sexual slavery in afghanistan ,an over looked tragedy” Shiia muslims can have a one night stand. ” shia girl does mut’a” and ” 10 years old girl sold for prostitution in hera mandi” Let me assure you all muslims do worst things than you can imagine. also see http://www.faithfreedom.org and http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
Mr. Poole, I don’t quite understand this statement. You say “Al-Jazeera and CNN” as if they are two different organizations. ????
Can you explain that, please?
Al Jazeera is an Arab press organization who present news in Arabic and English.
CNN is anti-American propaganda.
It seems to me that when I was sworn into the US Navy that religions, like Islam, that advocate the violent overthrow of the US Government were banned; if you were Muslim you couldn’t serve.
That, I think, should still be the rule.
Because if a Muslim cannot, with the rest of us, swear to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic — there is a major security breach and an invitation to the mayhem that Shariah law seems to foster.
Because THERE IS NO SUCH ANIMAL AS A MODERATE MUSLIM…… HELLO… THEY ALL READ FROM THE SAME QURAN. Round them all up, put them on Planes and drop them off at the ‘sand pile’ of their choice…. via parachute. … or no parachute… I don’t care. Get them out and keep them out. They are all just waiting for their numbers to increase so they can wage war here.
That goes for all the illegals from down south, or China, or whereever, our Constitution says NO ILLEGALS ALLOWED. Fill out the application, get a sponsor for three years (used to be two yrs), be a law abiding applicant, LEARN ENGLISH, READ IT, SPEAK IT PERFECTLY, WRITE IT, MEMORIZE THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS, DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, AND MEMORIZE THE 10 COMMANDMENTS….. ALL OF WHICH THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON AND STILL OPERATES ON…. EXCEPT THE PIG IN THE WH….. THEN IN 7 YEARS … WE’LL SEE IF WE WANT YOUR BUTT IN OUR COUNTRY.
Maybe he could be transferred to Obama’s Cabinet? He would fit right in, and he’s already taken his oath, too… Could this be an example of what Herman Cain was concerned about, maybe? Jeeez!
I see Mr. Abdo has now been arrested for plotting an attack on Fort Hood. Seems he has no qualms about killing Americans.
Worst case scenario- 1 million jihadists invade from our southern border. They quickly secure major cities and establish sharia. Anyone not of Islam is imprisoned or killed. When the rubber hits the road, what side of the line in the sand will all those “moderate” muslims form up on? Just askin…
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