The Gates Arrest: Sgt. Crowley’s Nightmare Is All Too Real
I had a terrible nightmare last night: I dreamed I was driving along in my patrol car when I responded to a fairly routine radio call. Someone had reported a possible burglary, and when I went to the home to investigate I encountered not the burglar I was led to believe I would find but rather the home’s resident, an Ivy League professor who, while indignantly challenging my authority to inquire into the reported crime, couldn’t resist doing so without calling my intelligence into question, accusing me of racial bias, and even going so far as to insult my sainted mother. When the verbal provocations escalated further and crossed the line into illegal conduct, I slapped the handcuffs on the man and hauled him down to the station house. A frothing media maelstrom then ensued, with reporters clogging the streets outside my home and traipsing across the lawn and through the shrubbery with their cameras and their boom microphones and their incessant, impertinent questions. Finally, the president of the United States was on television telling the entire world how stupid I am.
Then I woke up.
I am in a sense fortunate in that I work in an area where I’m as likely to encounter an extraterrestrial as an Ivy League professor, but like most police officers I can nonetheless sympathize with Cambridge Police Department sergeant James Crowley, for whom there will be no waking from the nightmare for some time to come. But, except for the notoriety and lofty position of the reported “burglar” (one of America’s preeminent black scholars, and all that), the scenario presented to Sgt. Crowley is fairly typical, one that every cop has experienced many times. A well-meaning neighbor has seen something she perceives as out of the ordinary and has asked the police to investigate. If more people were disposed to act this way, America’s crime rate would plummet overnight.
The first question to be asked about Sgt. Crowley’s initial response is, was it lawful and reasonable? Clearly it was both. A cornerstone U.S. Supreme Court decision, Terry v. Ohio, held that an officer may stop and detain a person he reasonably believes to be involved in criminal activity. Here, Sgt. Crowley answered a citizen’s report of a possible burglary. Such reports are granted a presumption of reliability under the law, so Sgt. Crowley was on solid ground in approaching the home and, upon seeing a man inside who matched the description provided by the witness, asking him for his identification. A police officer responding to such a report must, for his own safety, assume the report to be accurate until he can satisfy himself that it isn’t. The cop who blithely handles every call assuming it to be a false alarm will likely not survive to handle many of them. In fact, many police officers faced with the identical facts would likely have ordered Henry Gates out of the home at gunpoint.
Sgt. Crowley did not go so far as that (imagine the furor if he had), but he exercised a measure of caution by following Gates into the home as Gates retrieved his identification. Gates insists Crowley needed a warrant to enter the home but he is mistaken, as even the most liberal judge would find that Crowley was faced with sufficiently exigent circumstances, viz. a possible burglar who may have attempted to arm himself or flee, to justify a warrantless entry.
Mr. Gates, who admits he asked his limo driver to force open a stuck door, is surely accustomed to a certain amount of bowing and scraping in the circles in which he travels, and it must have come as a shock when he was surprised by a cop who neither knew nor cared that he occupied such an exalted position. He apparently never stopped to consider that he and his driver may have been seen by someone who would misinterpret their actions and report them to the police. No, to Mr. Gates the first and only explanation for the sudden appearance of a white police officer at his doorstep was that the cops had come to hassle him because he’s black.
The next question is whether Mr. Gates’s language and behavior that Sgt. Crowley described in his police report fell within the proscribed conduct of the Massachusetts statute against disorderly conduct. This is where the two accounts diverge most dramatically. Mr. Gates addressed the issue with CNN’s Soledad O’Brien, who, reading from the police report, said, “[Sgt. Crowley] described you as behaving in a tumultuous manner.”
“Yeah,” Gates responded with a chuckle, “look at how tumultuous I am. I’m five foot seven, I weigh a hundred-fifty pounds.” He said this as though it’s inconceivable that someone of those proportions might behave in manner that could be characterized as “tumultuous,” an assertion that any police officer, and for that matter just about anyone not affiliated with an Ivy League university, knows is preposterous. That Gates’s behavior at the scene of his arrest might differ from that which he exhibited on a nationally televised interview was an issue that went unexplored.
But there is a way we might learn, as best we may, of what really occurred that day on Harvard Square. Mr. Gates says he’s considering a lawsuit against Sgt. Crowley and the Cambridge Police Department, during which, one presumes, we would hear testimony from all the various parties and witnesses. If Mr. Gates is to prevail in such an action he would have to prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that Sgt. Crowley fabricated the case against him, and did so in the knowledge that the incident had been witnessed by several other police officers, including a black sergeant from his own department and some officers from the Harvard campus police with whom he is presumably unacquainted. Also called to testify would be the woman who made the initial call to the police and some or all of the “at least seven other passers-by” referred to in the police report. And the arrest, which was undoubtedly vetted all the way up the police department’s chain of command, was nonetheless allowed to proceed despite the certain knowledge that Harvard Law School professor Charles Ogletree and a phalanx of briefcase-bearing shiny suits would soon descend on the police station and start tossing about their habeas corpus this and their mens rea that, and that they would spare no effort or expense in ferreting out any weaknesses the case may have.
Sure, professor, Sgt. Crowley made it all up. Arresting Mr. Gates may have been arguably imprudent, but it wasn’t illegal.
If I may presume to offer Sgt. Crowley a bit of advice, I would encourage him to invest in a small digital tape recorder such as the one I carry while on duty. I have done so for many years and it has often proved invaluable, as in the case when some of my colleagues and I were accused of all manner of heinous conduct by a young man we had arrested for carrying a gun. Among the allegations was that we had used the notorious “N-word,” which, though one can’t walk a block in some parts of Los Angeles without hearing the denizens use it a dozen times, is nonetheless held as a near-capital offense when spoken by a police officer.
The time came for my interview with the internal affairs investigators, for whom I played the tape. It revealed, among other inconsistencies in my accuser’s tale, that it was he and not we who had so liberally used the accursed word, and that he used it, in the span of about 45 seconds, as a noun, a verb, an adjective, an adverb, and as something of an all-purpose interjection, a linguistic feat I suspect I may never see equaled. I was cleared of the charge, but I still listen to that tape every now and then just for its entertainment value.
Sgt. Crowley, you can pick up one of those recorders for less than a hundred dollars. Don’t you wish you had bought one earlier?






As I’ve said elsewhere, Crowley made one significant mistake. He didn’t kiss Gates’ butt when it became apparent that this was a celebrity, especially one who is likely to claim racial bias pretty much no matter what the circumstances. Gates wasn’t demanding that he be treated as if he were anyone else, he was demanding preferential treatment, because of who he is. Any of the rest of us, confronting a police officer in such circumstances, would be polite and cooperative. Gates was argumentative and obnoxious, because he should be able to get away with it. What a joke.
From early indications Sgt Crowley’s Department is supporting him–I hope so. Professor Mr. Gates is one hostile, bitter Black Nationalist and always looking for a chance to rip into The Man-cry racism and feel perfectly justified in lying about it.
Sadly racial relations are getting worse in this country and it is NOT The Man’s fault, it is NOT White Supremacist or such. It IS the fault of hostile, bitter Black Nationalist such as Professor Mr. Gates, President Obama, all too many Reverend Black Community Leaders, the Congressional Black Caucus and the White Guilt Cult in government, media, academia and the whores in business who buy them off.
From that phony, doctored tape of the Rodney King beating and riots to the OJ Simpson trial to Obama’s “typical white person” and “Stupid police” statements I can say with a heavy heart-No, We Can Not All Get Along”. When push comes to shove, politics and ethics aside, we will all cling to our own in self defense. And as in all such upheavals the innocent get hurt first.
But here is Phoenix there are indeed houses we will not respond to and enter until the Watch Commander shows up with the video camera– some white, some black, all hostile and looking for a fight. I retire in August and leave this once beautiful city to another generation.
Curious about the legal implications of the tape recorder. Private conversation, notification, permission, whatever.
But still . . . my thoughts exactly.
Maybe police shouldn’t protect houses owned by blacks….
According to the news:
Neighbor calls police for possible burglary.
Police arrives and finds suspect matching description inside the home.
Police asks for identification.
Suspect says he lives there.
Police continues asking questions.
Suspects gets upset and feels harassed and starts shouting.
Police arrests him for disturbing the order.
Based on these statements, the police acted as they should.
But no, everyone has an opinion and sound like a bunch of hens flustered by a barking dog.
I was disappointed that there wasn’t more prominent black people calling for Mr. Gates to apologize to the officer. The only one I saw on TV that said without reserve that Mr. Gates was wrong was Juan Williams on Fox. When white cops do bad things there is no end of white people condemning them. This should be true for blacks as well.
Using a tape recorder is a great idea and I believe that Sgt. Crowley keyed his microphone and most all was sent to his headquarters and it was recorded and at the moment they are deciding whether to play the tape or not.
I had a supervisor that would tell you to do something in a certain way and then later would say that that is not what he told me to do, he did this so often that I started carrying a recorder and would say alright so Tom you want me to accomplish this task using this method and he would acknowledge in the affirmative. Then later when he would come up to me and say that is not what I was told to do I would say hold on a minute there Tom here is exactly what you said and prove it to him. It only took a couple of these before he quit lying about what it was he was actually telling me if it ended up not working as planned.
“look at how tumultuous I am. I’m five foot seven, I weigh a hundred-fifty pounds.”
Did “Skip” Gates really say something so stupid? Police officers have been hurt countless times by an enraged and out of control individual far smaller than themselves. They are obligated as much as possible to deescalate the situation before it gets to that point. Sometimes, however, the officer must arrest the uncooperative suspect. And Gates was a suspect! He apparently had not provided conclusive proof concerning his identity—and right to be in the house. Both have to be established before the policeman can leave the premises. At this point in time, Officer Crowley seems to have behaved in a completely professional manner. The sole blame for this controversy belongs to the arrogant and condescending Harvard prima donna Gates.
A few observations:
With more appointees to the SCOTUS with the legal temperament of Sotomayor, look for cases like Terry v. Ohio to be overturned and ruled unconstitutional.
I heard Leo (sic) Terrell debate Larry Elder on Hannity yesterday, and every salient point brought out by Elder was attacked in predictable fashion by Terrell, to wit the fact that Crowley’s partner was black made no difference since all cops’ blood is blue and they don’t rat each other out. Terrell disregarded the facts of the incident and was just yelling the typical talking points of how ALL police behave towards black men. Disgusting.
You advised Crowley to have a small tape recorder which is sound advice, but from what I understand his microphone was open throughout the exchange, but of course people like Leo Terrell (Jackson & Sharpton et al) will claim that the recordings are faked or that they actually confirm Gates’ side of the story.
Gates seems to be a sharlatan race hustler. He thought he saw an easy mark in Sgt. Crowley. He attempted to pad his “victimized black” portfolio on the poor guys back, but what he didn’t know, and could not esxpect, is that he was dealing with a cop who was extra specialized in dealing with angry black men. Crowley never allowed himself to be provoked into the little things : arguing back, tightening the cuffs too tight, tasering the old fool, or whatever. I think the cop is bullet proof on this from this point out. The White House, the governer, the race baiting industry can continue to attack him, but people already have a clear image of the straight up professional cop, and the typical angry black male who cries racism when his burger is served without pickle at McDonalds. I hope Sgt Crowleys life continues unimpeded by this once it is all over, and I hope Harvard has the decency to send that old professional race hustler Gates off to retirement quietly afterwards. I would not want any kids of mine hearing one word from that man in a educational setting. Imagine the strange, bigoted sermons he must lay down in class.
Jack I am sure that Sgt Crowley assumed ( incorrectly it seems ) that he would not have the pleasure of running across a ghetto want to be in the hallowed highways,byways and well tended lawns of Cambridge
“Mr. Gates the first and only explanation…because he’s black.” The syllogism reads thusly, ‘Me black, him cop, him RACIST!!!’ Although, from another point of view… Me citizen, them elitist Harvard professor and elitist Harvard POTUS, them not black, them elite a@@hol*s. Heh.
Gates is plainly a racist,a practicing one,who teaches multiculturalism at Harvard which means he teaches racism and is poisioning our racial relations in this country,creating other Gates.
Some of the finest,most brilliant,most unbiased people in America are black,some are white; Barack Obama is black and white,but he is not one of them. Obama is a doctrinaire Marxist racist. Gates is not one of them either.
Professor Gates was right racism was at work here. He just misidentified it. Did he ever bother to think why one of his neighbors would call the police because he saw “two black men” breaking into a house? Did he bother to wonder why one of his neighbors did not recognize a world famous Harvard scholar who lives next door. The racist was his neighbor, not the police officer. Gates should have learned a lesson. White liberals are far more racist then police officers. His understandable anger at being questioned in his own home should have been directed at the people who he has lived with for years who could not didn’t recognize him. They only saw a black man breaking into a house in a white neighborhood.
Reports are the neighbor lady reported “two men in backpacks” breaking into the house.
Doesn’t she recognize her neighbor, or at 5’7″ in a backpack, did he look like a kid?
Do 60 year-old Harvard professors really wear backpacks on 18 hour flights from China?
Do the drivers of old Harvard professors drive with backpacks? Who was that guy, anyway? Not a “driver”.
Does he live alone in the house where his neighbors don’t know him?
This guy has issues the press needs to explore.
The Gates “racist” affair was programmed to disrupt the news cycle about to erupt bruiting Obama’s healthcare debacle. The Axelrod-Emanuel led gang at the White House mimic Clinton’s control of news. This was Obama’s Blue Dress Disaster. He had fixed a victory lap press conference for a Wednesday. Disasters are annouced and bad moves are made on a Friday, before the weekend stifles notoriety. He got stuck with 48 hours full press exposure when the healthcare thing fell apart.
What did he choose to do? Throw the race grenade into the mess.
Actually Axelrod threw the grenade, the fellow that looks like he stepped off the Kremlin Wall at the May Day parade. Axelrod plays Obama’s white Frank Marshall Davis mentor. He runs the government, and will soon run America.
I wonder if someone read Sgt. Crowley his Miranda rights before he went on duty the other day,
“Sgt., everything you do and say during this shift will be used against you by the President of the United States, both in private and at a news conference broadcast live by the major networks.”
“…oh, and one more thing, Sgt. Crowley, after he has done that for a day or two, then he will describe it a teachable moment…and you will be expected to be grateful that he doesn’t totally destroy you and your family.”
“Ok…that’s it, guys. Hit the streets.”
“When the verbal provocations escalated further and crossed the line into illegal conduct,”
By which you mean, “Pissing off a cop.”
Sure the Prof. was mau-mauing the cop, hoping from some point, to win some dough in court. How smart the Harvard Prof. was to begin seeing $$$$ emerge out of the situation is a factor of how soon he figured that out. Only he and God know when that was, and how it changed his behavior in the moment, if it did.
But the other interesting thing was why the cop asked Gates outside. He knew that a charge for disorderly conduct wouldn’t stick inside, so he had to get the guy on the porch. Did Gates play along because an arrest would garnish his “case” more money.
Here are two idiots gaming each other, and the taxpayers will pay. I hope Gates loses but I kinda think, if the cop could have walked away when he knew there were no intruders lurking in the house, he should have.
Obama is an angry racist. there are a lot of news organizations (including Fox) that say he (Obama ) has slipped and lost some of his moral authority on race !
ARE YOU ALL NUTS ? he always showed a racist bent from before he entered politics. Welcome to AFRICA. and I don’t mean that in a nice way nor in a racist way. Show me one stable democracy in Africa.
I think Obama will need to have a national police force. (well just needs to buy ACRON uniforms)
still waiting for an apology to the police from “stupid”
This is racism, straight up, but not on the part of Sgt. Crowley.
Great job detailing the law governing this scenario and the practical reasons behind Sgt. Crowley’s actions. As a career prosecutor (almost 20 years) I have been dismayed that this analysis has been so rare. This was an entirely routine incident handled in exactly the way cops do so a thousand times a day in this country.
It is stunning that some “experts” in the law have described the officer’s actions as anything other than wholly legal, entirely justified and reasonable given officer safety concerns.
I personally prosecuted the murder of a superb and experienced officer serving a (very minor)misdemeanor warrant. Without warning or escalation, the defendant grabbed the officer’s pistol out of the (Level 2) holster and used it to murder him. The defendant then tried mightily to kill the officer’s partner. Thankfully, that officer survived his wounds because of the arrival of backup.
How many cases have I tried where an officer was violently assaulted during a routine minor interaction with a citizen? There have so many I could not possibly tell you.
Good work. Good advice to Sgt. Crowley regarding the mini-recorder too. Stay safe.
Gates is a very good example of what is wrong with academia. If this is any indication of what he “teaches” in the classroom and I bet it is, we are in big, big trouble. And very likely that is what Harvard desires to be taught. Racial hatred!! Harvard is the elite school??? In the name of academia and progressives. This guy is paid very good money to “teach” 6 hours per week and given a place to stay. God help us.
It’s unfortunate that this has become a racial incident. In the end it became a pi**ing contest. He was going to show Gates, who was “the man”. Only those who have never met a cop outside of a social gathering would think differently.
The only “racial firestorm” is the one created by Prof. Gates. After teaching racial bias for years he saw his moment in the spotlight and seized on it unwittingly bringing Obama along for the ride.
It sickens me to see how the police are being used to further his agenda and I’m sure I’m not the only one surprised at how poorly our “transformational” President has handled this.
“The opinions expressed are his own and almost certainly do not reflect those of the LAPD management.”
If anything is missing or wrong with this article it is the LAPD CYA cop out quoted above. It would be easy to understand that police officers might have a difficult time deciding whether to put their bullet-proof vests on with the zippers in the front or in the back.
Overnight, two influential provably racist citizens of the United States of America, an upscale college professor and the President have twisted the nation into a knot of self-serving hatred and the LAPD doesn’t have the guts to stand up for what’s right.
No races of people are ever going to mutually respect each other as long as one, or all excuses the kind of pathetic behavior we have witnessed during this incident.
More importantly, no other nation is going to respect our’s when we have a president that doesn’t know or care when it is better for everyone’s interests and welfare for him to remain silent.
(…Mr. Gates…is surely accustomed to a certain amount of bowing and scraping in the circles in which he travels, and it must have come as a shock when he was surprised by a cop who neither knew nor cared that he occupied such an exalted position…”
Your comfortable assumption that obsequiousness rather than collegiality is the fashion in academia is at least as presumptuous and far less rooted in fact than Dr. Gates assumption that cops are racist.
That Gates should have held his tongue goes without saying. That Obama behaved stupidly in his news conference is obvious.
I have no brief for Obama who plays hardball Chicago politics, played the race and gender card in his campaign and is disingenuous if not outright dishonest in selling his policies. Obama deserves anything he gets.
But the piling on Gates is unseemly and disproportionate to his offense and begins to smack of racism.
I’m a white middle class guy who moves in white middle class circles. Yet everyone I know has had, at one time or another, a run in with a rude and crude cop, usually over a chickenshit, traffic-related offense rooted mainly in revenue collection. Cops are by and large insular, arrogant SOBs who suffer from a completely unwarranted sense of self entitlement and have no respect for the citizenry they ostensibly serve.
To the matter of race and racism: Outrageous, brutal and downright murderous behavior by policemen has poured gasoline on everyday racial tensions and touched off riots in this country again and again. The thin blue line is an unnecesarily high tension, high voltage wire for which our society pays a huge price.
If we’re going to talk race, it also behooves us to acknowledge that all white folk are not alike just as all black folk are not alike. There is one ethnic minority among whites in this country that has historically demonstrated greater viciousness toward black people than any other. That white minority has dominated urban police forces to the near exclusion of all others, especially in the northeast, since the nineteenth century.
Sugar planters in the Caribean during the time of slavery, valued and especially sought out overseers from this white ethnic minority for their celebrated cruelty to blacks. The worst anti-Negro pogroms and the darkest stain on our national honor–including the New York draft riots during the Civil War and the race riots in Chicago during the 1920s–were perpetrated by this same ethnic white minority.
Before you join the mob and pile on Dr. Gates, Dunphy (I assume your pen name doesn’t conceal your ethnicity), you might take a few minutes to read about these racist outrages in their horrific detail. Gates didn’t know when to shut up, Obama didn’t know when to shut up and neither do you.
To put this incident in perspective, it would helpful to also read teh following:
“Henry Louis Gates: Déjà Vu All Over Again
I’m Skip Gates’s friend, too. That’s probably the only thing I share with President Obama, so when he ended his press conference last Wednesday by answering a question about Gates’s arrest after he was seen trying to get into his own house, my ears perked up.
As the story unfolded in the press and on the Internet, I flashed back 20 years or so to the time when Gates arrived in Durham, N.C., to take up the position I had offered him in my capacity as chairman of the English department of Duke University. One of the first things Gates did was buy the grandest house in town (owned previously by a movie director) and renovate it. During the renovation workers would often take Gates for a servant and ask to be pointed to the house’s owner. The drivers of delivery trucks made the same mistake.
The message was unmistakable: What was a black man doing living in a place like this?
At the university (which in a past not distant at all did not admit African-Americans ), Gates’s reception was in some ways no different. Doubts were expressed in letters written by senior professors about his scholarly credentials, which were vastly superior to those of his detractors. (He was already a recipient of a MacArthur fellowship, the so called “genius award.”) There were wild speculations (again in print) about his salary, which in fact was quite respectable but not inordinate; when a list of the highest-paid members of the Duke faculty was published, he was nowhere on it.
The Associated Press
Henry Louis Gates, Jr., during a book signing in 2006.
The unkindest cut of all was delivered by some members of the black faculty who had made their peace with Duke traditions and did not want an over-visible newcomer and upstart to trouble waters that had long been still. (The great historian John Hope Franklin was an exception.) When an offer came from Harvard, there wasn’t much I could do. Gates accepted it, and when he left he was pursued by false reports about his tenure at what he had come to call “the plantation.” (I became aware of his feelings when he and I and his father watched the N.C.A.A. championship game between Duke and U.N.L.V. at my house; they were rooting for U.N.L.V.)
Now, in 2009, it’s a version of the same story. Gates is once again regarded with suspicion because, as the cultural critic Michael Eric Dyson put it in an interview, he has committed the crime of being H.W.B., Housed While Black.
He isn’t the only one thought to be guilty of that crime. TV commentators, laboring to explain the unusual candor and vigor of Obama’s initial comments on the Gates incident, speculated that he had probably been the victim of racial profiling himself. Speculation was unnecessary, for they didn’t have to look any further than the story they were reporting in another segment, the story of the “birthers” — the “wing-nuts,” in Chris Matthews’s phrase — who insist that Obama was born in Kenya and cite as “proof” his failure to come up with an authenticated birth certificate. For several nights running, Matthews displayed a copy of the birth certificate and asked, What do you guys want? How can you keep saying these things in the face of all evidence?
He missed the point. No evidence would be sufficient, just as no evidence would have convinced some of my Duke colleagues that Gates was anything but a charlatan and a fraud. It isn’t the legitimacy of Obama’s birth certificate that’s the problem for the birthers. The problem is again the legitimacy of a black man living in a big house, especially when it’s the White House. Just as some in Durham and Cambridge couldn’t believe that Gates belonged in the neighborhood, so does a vocal minority find it hard to believe that an African-American could possibly be the real president of the United States.
Gates and Obama are not only friends; they are in the same position, suspected of occupying a majestic residence under false pretenses. And Obama is a double offender. Not only is he guilty of being Housed While Black; he is the first in American history guilty of being P.W.B., President While Black.”
The reality is this. Gates, like Obama, is the problem. They are both part of the same culture that insists white racism permeates every aspect of American society instead of taking responsibility for their own actions. In essence, Obama has shown his true colors and Obama is a stereotypical black American racist.
Unless and until President Obama makes a complete apology to Sgt. Crowley, the story continues.
My brothers are also political junkies and this whole incident reminds me of something one of them said on the morning after election eve–”Barack Obama won and he is the President of all the people–white people too.” Or is he?
I remember when Jerry Jones owner of the Dallas Cowboys was arrested for trying to get to church on time. After he was released, he owned up to his mistake and not only exonnerated the policeman of any wrong doing, but praised him for his work. Professor Gates could take a lesson from Mr. Jones; the subject would be Class, as opposed to Hubris which seems to be what is being served up at Harvard.
Gates had come from the airport (Logan?), presumably on an inbound flight. He seems like an arrogant man and, so, I assume (but do not know), he flew first class. If he flew first class, he must have had a couple (or more) of the free drinks. Has any knowledgeable person dared to comment on Gates’ sobriety (or lack, thereof)? Had Gates been drinking or is that something that no one would mention, what with Gates being black and all?
Poor man. Yes, I bet he wishes he had bought a recorder with him! I feel sorry for the neighbor who called the cops too: now she’s nothing but a racist, hysterical female who suspects all black men of being heinous criminals, instead of a concerned neighbor, seeking to protect herself and her neighborhood. Which, we will note, is Gates’ neighborhood too.
No legal problems; one party to the conversation (the officer) is consenting, and that’s all it takes (at least federally, and in most jurisdictions—otherwise any operation where someone “wears a wire” undercover would be illegal).
Smart move by Officer Dunphy
Prof. Gates, like most highly “educated” leftist elites, seems to have an overinflated self-image. He also seems to believe that he can act in any manner he pleases because he possesses a “Get Out of Jail Free Card”, due to the fact his color, political ideology and university affiliation match those of the current resident of the White House. But now where did the esteemed professor acquire the opinion that he, due to his color and “status”, is somehow not subject to the same laws as the rest of Americans? Perhaps on the Harvard campus, which is known to be at bit like Havana, but with an arrogant chip on its shoulder? Could it be he learned such attitudes in a “church” similar to Rev. Wright’s, where race-baiting is known to be celebrated? Then again, could he have been playing to the lynch mob media, ravenously awaiting the opportunity to string up a policeman for daring to confront a black man? Shame on you, Prof. Gates, you are a disgrace. And shame on you, Pres. Obama, for jumping to conclusions. I only hope, for the sake of America, that your response will be more cautious and measured when confronting a crisis on the world stage. Sgt. Crowley, just keep doing your job. The America I live in is proud of you.
I think the most revolting part of this story is that Mr. Gates is a professor at Harvard. Instead of intellect, he’s achieved his status by using his race to guilt the system. And how angry he is to be where he is! Oops, I forgot — that’s his schtick, his pass into academia. Every parent needs to push back against the nonsense being taught in our schools, nonsense being taught by the nonsensical. We undermine our very civilization by ignoring what is being taught to our kids. To what purpose, except our own destruction, do we think it wise to promote men of Mr. Gate’s caliber to the best universities (or any university) in the country? Mr. Gates is an insult to all black people around the world. Reason does not seem to reside at Harvard (or Princeton, or Columbia, or Yale).
I noticed that obama’s approval rating dropped below 50% the day after he called the Cambridge Police “stupid” on national TV. It took a while, but obama has “jumped the shark”.
Most arrests for disorderly conduct just mean that you annoyed a cop. This one smells like two a holes collided with each other. Once Crowley was satisfied that Gates was legitimately in his house, the professional thing to do was leave.
But he arrested Gates, not because he should have but just because he could.
Gates is a jerk. That’s not against the law.
Part of the problem here is that The One knows Skip Gates–and The One was “outraged” that his buddy had been arrested. Like all questions at Obama pressers, those questions he would take were pre-selected.
Unfortunately The One stepped in it on this one.
No comment was the right answer; and “no question” was the better script for this particular Potemkin Village press conference.
What is interesting is that the usual dance–steps prescribed in advance–that happens after an incident like this…is not happening.
The cops are not flogging themselves. The city is not talking about sensitivity training. No extra funds are being made available for midnight basketball. Except for a couple of white-guilt-excuses-everything-and-applies-everywhere-and-for-all-time folks–see above–only a few of the most reflexive race hustlers are even getting aboard.
A cops’ union is talking about suing. Another has asked zero for an apology.
Zero has tried to walk his first remarks back.
Crowley’s union is talking about releasing the tapes.
New dance.
Hey, talk about being mistaken for a servant…. I’m white. We had some exchange students in town. One lived with a well-off Jewish family. She was from Brazil and so we figured she’d like to do Christmas as well as Hanukkah. So we arranged to go to a tree farm, cut down a tree and have a decorating party. I went to the home to pick her up, wearing jeans and my old field jacket. The daughter of the house answered the door, dressed as preppily as can be imagined. Looked askance and suggested I go to the back door to pick up the exchange student.
Sometimes there is confusion due to local issues–Durham in the old days, say–and sometimes there is simply arrogance. Blacks aren’t the only ones.
Oh, and Obama is not guilty of being president while black. He’s guilty of being president after a number of dishonest campaigns, incompetent, radical socialist, a liar, and a panderer to our enemies.
Once again we see that there are some things they just can’t (and won’t) teach at Harvard.
The world needs more Crowleys and way less of the coddled arrogant Gates types.
What a shame that Gates has tarnished himself so that he is now regarded as a race hustler undistinguishable from the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
So much for a Harvard education.
The distinguished professor now says that he wants to use the incident as a “teaching moment” on the preponderance of racial profiling. What a sanctimonious, self-righteous boob.
Crowley is a victim of racial profiling and defamation – by President Obama.
I think the good professor is unaware that a series of lessons has already been learned.
I am especially tickled by the fact that Gates is having the exact opposite affect on race relations than he intended. The populus now feels sorry for the white cop for having to suffer through a hysterical attack by a racist Professor with a grudge.
Hopefully the days of hearing the word racist thrown around as a weapon are gone.
I think we as law abiding citizens should make something clear to everyone: we will not tolerate verbal abuse of our police because it is an insult to the citizens of the United States.
Levavi: “Your comfortable assumption that obsequiousness rather than collegiality is the fashion in academia is at least as presumptuous and far less rooted in fact than Dr. Gates assumption that cops are racist.” While eloquently stated, profoundly irrelevant defense of Gates. Gates is certainly bowed to because he is one of the few blacks a university can legitimately hire on affirmative action models. He teaches Black Studies which should tell you something of his scholarly competence.
Your second paragraph lets us all know that despite the eloquence you use in writing, you are nothing more than a liberal hack. To make sweeping charaterizations of the police because you had a run in for doing something wrong is again profoundly irrelevant to the defense of Gates.
This comment is especially crude: “Outrageous, brutal and downright murderous behavior by policemen has poured gasoline on everyday racial tensions and touched off riots in this country again and again. The thin blue line is an unnecesarily high tension, high voltage wire for which our society pays a huge price.” I presume you are referring to black criminals-King, and a few other isolated incidents being apprehended by the police. Okay, so your intimation is for the police not to arrest black criminals? Black criminals by and large all try to escape capture and resist arrest so police use force to get their acquiesence. Again to blame race relations on police instead of black instigators belies you agenda.
Now this comment really is off the hook: “There is one ethnic minority among whites in this country that has historically demonstrated greater viciousness toward black people than any other. That white minority has dominated urban police forces to the near exclusion of all others, especially in the northeast, since the nineteenth century.” Talk about racist ideas-you exhibit the cream rising to the top. I guess the Black Panthers, and NBP are simply a community organization that just happens to have killed police officers-for what, fun??? Just exactly what white minority are you referring to: Irish, Italians-oh that is pretty racist of you!! I bet you are from another “poor pathetic white minority”-Jew-who sees things “colored” in black tinted glasses.
If it weren’t for those police officers you so hate and denigrate, Jews would not be so cocky walking the streets of NY and other major urban centers because the same people Jews defend would certainly target you more for crime.
And for the Shadow, off topic that you are on the only thing that has been shown regarding Obama’s birth is a Certificate of Live Birth-NOT a birth certificate.
Re #28 The Shadow: So, do tell, how would you classify the good Professor’s “your momma” comments to the police officer and how do they fit into the “majestic” picture that you painted of the much maligned black man?
I guess you’d fall into the “whenever ANYONE of color claims racism it must be true and facts be damned” column? That in itself is racism you realize right?
Instead of cutting and pasting more PR for Gates, why not take FACTS into consideration (for once)?
How delicious would it be if Sgt. Crowley declines Obama’s invitation to have a beer with him and his pal Gates in the White House? By declining, Crowley would be providing Obama with a “teachable moment,” namely that the President of the U.S. has no legal basis whatsoever to compel Crowley — or any citizen of the United States — to come to the White House to meet with him.
It would also be a marvelous example of “speaking truth to power.”
The one thing everyone seems to be overlooking in this case is this: when an officer of the law orders you to do something, you are required – by law – to comply. Period.
Officer says: Show me some I.D.
Perp says: No I won’t.
Officer says: Let’s step outside
Perp says: Yo mama
Officer says: Calm down or else
Perp says: You don’t know who you’re messin’ with.
No safe and sane officer would make the assumption that this guy’s anger is not going to escalate after he leaves the scene. The civilians in here who don’t know squat about being a police officer have NO idea of the abuse they take – every single day. Perps threatening to come to their homes and rape their daughters or kill their wives. And police officers can’t do a thing about it. They have to listen to it – but they also know when that abuse has crossed a very bold line, as Gate’s abuse clearly did when he refused – repeatedly – to comply with the officer’s requests.
It’s always, always better to err on the side of safety than it is to err on the side of political correctness.
When a cop tells you to do something, just effin’ do it.
Shadow # 28 You are as big a racist as any! All of us in any walk of life can complain of past social injustices. My past doesn’t ok my future bad behavior. Nor should it in anyone else’s.
Oh, and just for the record: the only racist present at the entire event was Gates himself. His flagrant and blatant hatred of white people was painfully obvious.
He said that he thinks Crowley had a “narrative” already in his head about the black man.
Sorry, Prof. You are wrong. YOU had the pre-conceived narrative, and it sounds to me like it’s a non-stop mantra inside your head: “Hate whitey, hate whitey, hate whitey.”
Interesting comments. The former Duke professor who says he is Gates’ friend neglected to mention the institutional racism of his university that attempted to prosecute a bunch of student athletes based on a drugged up stripper’s incoherent story.
The unkindest cut of all was delivered by some members of the black faculty who had made their peace with Duke traditions and did not want an over-visible newcomer and upstart to trouble waters that had long been still.
Yet those are the same black faculty who formed the gang of 88 to demand the hockey team’s heads. Maybe racism poisons the mind of the left far more than the right.
The comment about encountering cops as bullies should be qualified by noting the location and the jurisdiction. I have found some small, safe town cops to be bullies. Big city cops have a tough job and are in an entirely different class. The bored deputy sheriff in a quiet town in Orange County, CA where I live may spend time looking for something to do and that may just be your kid who violates some minor traffic ordinance. That is not the same thing that most big city cops face every day. They don’t need to look for excitement.
The recorder is an excellent idea but, if the microphone was left open, we may yet hear another shoe drop. Obama really stepped in it this time.
Well, and I’m afraid that this invitation to Gates and Crowley by Obama to come to the White House for a beer is some kind of trap for the officer. The president’s loyalties are very clear…his first loyalty is to his friend, and by not just coming out and apologizing to the officer, I think Obama still believes his friend was wronged. Public opinion is already for the officer, so getting the two of them together could only help Gates and Obama. Of course, there would be a photo op with Gates and Crowley shaking hands, with a smiling “mission accomplished” Obama in the middle; sending another tingle up Chris Matthews’ leg at how Obama is healing racial tensions.
And, how often is an officer invited to “have a beer” with someone he’s just arrested anyway? These are not two friends who have had a fight. I think it’s just inappropriate.
Henry Gates was on the Gayle King radio show on Thursday and, among other things, stated quite clearly that Sgt Crowley “falsified his report”.
Does Gates know that falsifying a report is a crime? Is that where he really wants to go?
Transcript here:
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I see Gates has been learning talking points from his comrades -er- colleagues in the woman’s studies department. Size is violence. You can’t be violent if you’re small, and if you’re big, you’re violent regardless of your conduct.
Profiling, indeed.
About the voice recorder – check state law before you do that. There also may be department policy considerations. If it’s not forbidden, go for it.
This is to try to salvage the POTUS’s butt. Crowley shouldn’t fall for it, but he probably will. He should insist that his union brothers involved in the incident (including the black one and the Hispanic one) also go.
They’re trying to defuse the situation by separating him from his support network. That’s how it’s generally done.
I am married to a retired police sergeant of 26 years. When we were first dating, we were surrounded one evening in the carport of my family home, by 3 police cruisers, lights flashing, demanding to know what we were doing there, who we were, and inquiring about the contents of my husband’s backpack that was in the truck. You see, there had just been a robbery in the area, and we must have fit the description of the perpetrators. I do remember how frightened, embarrassed, then ANGRY I felt, after all, I WAS AT HOME ! But thankfully, we cooperated and identities and intentions were sorted out, and I avoided a police record.
Ironically, the stories that my husband can now tell of what he and his fellow officers endured just trying to do their sworn duty, the cursing, the threats, the shouts of racism…leaves me wondering why anyone in their right mind would want to swear to uphold and protect laws that don’t seem to apply to them as police officers.
Race, title, wealth, seem to be “Get out of Jail” passes that the rest of us on Baltimore Ave. will never play to win.
I’m glad I was “embarrassed” by those police officers 31
years ago..it taught me that a little humility goes a long way…
sydney jane @ 54:
Indeed, Obama has still not apologized to Sgt. Crowley. And neither has Prof. Gates. They owe the officer an apology, not a beer I’m also quite certain Stg. Crowley can find better people to drink with than race-baiters like Gates and Obama.
As a cop/sergeant who spent most of his 30 years on the job as a street cop either in uniform or working under cover assignments, I have caught dozens of burglars. Mostly out of longevity in the profession vs. superior police work.
In my considerable experience, burglars rarely if ever when confronted in the act by the police say, “I’m the burglar, you caught me in the act officer.”
They either flee or when cornered, act with subterfuge claiming they are the resident, a friend of the resident, an employee or some other ruse. I recall one burglar trying to convince me that the lawful owners of the home he had broken into were in fact the burglars. I’ve also had a number of suspects react just like Mr. Gates.
Like most cops, I have responded to a countless number of false burglar alarms too. Upon contacting the residents I have never had anyone who lived in the home in question behave like Mr. Gates. The residents were always cooperative and I was on my way in minutes.
Whether Gates was black, white or Latino, it makes no difference. Under these circumstances all would have been treated the same. Gates could have easily and immediately defused this incident by calmly providing the officer with proof that he, Gates, lived there. To the contrary, Gates was hostile, uncooperative and began race baiting, which escalated the situation.
Gates behavior is shameful. He is an elitist that could not stand the thought of a police officer with half his education and half his pay giving him orders.
As for Obama, I am outraged by his comments. He may be president of the USA but he is not my president. My regret is that I will never have a chance to tell Obama to his face what I think of his comments. Law enforcement should never forget this insult. Obama claimed he was going to be the great uniter. The first opportunity he has he plays the race card and starts throwing bombs at law enforcement.
For me, Obama’s attempts to mitigate his inappropriate comments fall flat. I hope Sgt. Crowley thinks things over a bit and declines to attend the dog and pony show at the White House.
It is a crying shame that elitist leftist snobs like Gates are now running the government, Hollywood, academia, and the entrenched media.
In the ignorance of the facts, the presumed post-racialist president reveals his presumption of stupidity towards a policeman’s handling of a presumed scholarly black man who assumes that the cop must be a racist and professes loudly that something is terribly wrong with the policeman’s mother.
I draw two points out of this: One. The triumph of media-propagated emotion over reason! Two: We suffer from a serious shortage of grown-up behavior on the public space.
And yes, I have a personal reaction to the event: My sympathy goes with the Seargent. He is the one who chose a difficult and dangerous profession, and he deserves my respect, even if I do something foolish and he happens to be the one calling me for it.
This president’s script is always the same: he exacerbates and aggravates every single societal problem, with the goal to weaken America.
Those are Saul Alinsky’s “rules for radicals”.
In this case, he has been blowing on the fire of “racism”.
He knows that his words will have innumerable consequences and they will make everything more difficult for everybody (Blacks, whites, cops, not cops).
That’s how you work to destroy a country.
We have an arsonist as Fire Chief…
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
Expect a photo-op next week with Obama presenting himself as the racial uniter. This guy is the ultimate con-artist.
61: Amen. But I bet most POs voted for Obama-the union thing!!
I,too, hope Sgt. Crowley does not go, but the pressure by a liberal mayor, and his commanders will be unbearable; and we must not forget about Chicago style thug tactics at work against the Sgt.
Let’s not forget who Gates’ is? Gates and all the top univeristy black race artists who make a living pushing racism: Michael Eric Dyson, O’Reilly’s favorite prop Mark Lamont Hill, Cornell West, et al. They were hired by colleges only because they were black-affirmative action at work. What scholarly work has any of these charlatans done?
#40 Aubrey – Great observation. New dance, indeed.
#19 GClarke – Crowley did not ask Gates outside so he’d have greater authority. The report was that there were two men. Crowley had no back-up. Inside would have been potentially very dangerous. The job is already dangerous enough, without taking inordinate risks.
Personally, I’m surprised the cop had not drawn down on Gates, but rather, gave him the benefit of the doubt, realizing that the guy could well have been the legal resident. Very disciplined of him.
One mustn’t always do as cops tell you, because you do have rights… but you have to know what those rights specifically are. It is wise, however, to always remain calm and polite. It’s not personal, so don’t make it personal.
I would like to invite Sgt Crowley to come down here to Orlando Florida and have a beer with me.
I’m so grateful that Sgt. Crowley’s fellow officers, superiors and city management are standing behind their LEO’s.
You guys stay safe.
(While I’m at it, that goes for the soldiers in Afghanistan as well, who are facing increasingly politicized dangers by the day because of the lack of stable foreign policy from our “leaders”)
Even though they are not perfect, I would NOT want to live in a world without policemen/women.
I hope Sgt. Crowley is not tricked into ‘apologizing’ to big mouth Gates.
As the daughter of a retired, black law enforcement officer, I can assure you that my father would have arrested him too. When an officer say quiet down, you should quiet down. Any good lawyer will tell you same.
do you think it will be imported beer ?
sgt. Crowley don’t fall for the invitation without a public apology from the O-bum-a first
5. vivo:
And the one opinion that blew this all out of proportion was the President’s – and his was given admittedly without all the information.
I have had to put my hands on the hood of my car on more than a couple of instances. One officer threw a ticket book at me and another knocked my licence out of my hand. It might have something to do with the officers being more than a foot shorter than me. I don’t know, it does not matter. All my answers were yes sir and no sir, and the incidents ended satifactorily for me. Had I adopted Gates’s tack it would have been ugly.
I agree with DavidN, Gates threw a fit mainly because he is a celebrated, black, public intellectual, a celebrity among the NPR/New Yorker set, and he is entirely accustomed to everyone fawning over him. When he bumps up against the real world that doesn’t know (or care) who he is, he can’t cope. He basically shouted, “Do you know who I am?” when challenged by someone he feels has no business addressing him. He couldn’t pull that Harvard imprimatur out of his wallet fast enough. Just a garden-variety egghead with an outsized ego who makes sure he doesn’t go too far from where his claquers are. The universities are filled to the brim with these types.
BTW, his TV special on Africa was alternately laughable and shallow, I watched it mainly just to see a prissy, whining, big baby from the academy duck and weave his way through so many unpleasant facts in such a short period of time. He’s an intellectual gnat.
DopeyPerson” I wonder how you would react if you were a black person.
20. homero:
me one stable democracy in Africa.
I think Obama will need to have a national police force. (well just needs to buy ACRON uniforms)
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Haven’t you been paying attention? He announced LAST YEAR, before he was even officially nominated by the dem’s that he wanted a national security force, equal in power, authority and equipment to the military, and *answerable only to him!*
49. Cap’n Rusty:
By declining, Crowley would be providing Obama with a “teachable moment,” namely that the President of the U.S. has no legal basis whatsoever to compel Crowley — or any citizen of the United States — to come to the White House to meet with him.
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That distincition belongs to a BLACK 9/11 widow. Obummer invited her to explain his Gitmo joke-of-a-policy, and she refused to come.
If the black cop had been the one to take the lead, would Gates have reacted differently? I imagine he would have been cooperative, respectful, and expressed thanks for the police department taking an interest in his residence since there had been an attempted break-in earlier which explained the stuck door. There would have been no incident, no press hysteria, or a jackass comment coming out of the mouth of Obama.
I don’t believe in conspiracy theories but I do believe this was seen as an opportunity by Gates and he took it. Remember what he does. He manufactured a “teachable moment”, the same language used by Obama when he tried to parse his words and statement. Suddenly, a little known professor outside the hallowed halls of Harvard has become the “new face” of oppressed black men. The victim of police racial profiling, the recipient of the long touted “pissed off cop” syndrome mentioned by Leroy Washington, #18.
I have come to believe that outside mainstream America where most get along and race is not an issue, and in the halls of academia, they do want to keep racism alive because if it is constantly stirred, then accountability is no longer on the table for these people. I have too many black friends who don’t understand the fuss but there are some who still hold onto old prejudices and memories. I have one who originally sided with Obama and Gates until it was pointed out about the previous break-in, the female caller who was outside the residence, the police report from Crowley and the black officer, and the fact that Gates had followed the officer outside the residence and was according to the report, creating a public disturbance. After that, he agreed that Obama should have deferred making any comments until all the facts were in. He didn’t and Obama was the one who exacerbated the situation, not Gates or the officer.
Now, as some have noted, we have another “Oprah” or “Dr. Phil” moment on our hands and it continues to go on and on and on and on, ad infinitum.
It is being reported in closed circles that violence, verbal and “otherwise”, against caucasian children in schools has escalated significantly since the election. It is not hard to make the connection that this has to do with the escalation of the attitudes in the offending child’s home environment.
BHO needs to NOT ONLY apologize (nevermind that “sorry” attempt yesterday-that was no apology), but get out in front and show a sign of support and empathy for law enforcement in general and local police in particular.
“What I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there’s a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately,” Obama said. “That’s just a fact.”
Prejudicial bias in it’s purest form.
Who is the racist here?
2010 cannot come fast enough. Thank God for mid-term elections!
You people just don;t get it because you don’t know what it’s like to be a professor at Harrrrrrrrrrrrrrvard. As a member of the Harvard gentry, I walk in contempt for those beneath me. I have no use for the common man other than knowing that I know better how to run his life than he does. This is why I am a liberal elitists–I am, quite simply, better than everyone else, especially people like the police and the firefighters and the other common men/women who, through their hard work, have made this country a place where assholes like me can put myself on a pedestal.
Yes, it’s a tough life being a racist Harvard weenie elite. Just ask our post-racial President, you know–the man who transcends race……….until he plays the race card.
A common defense of Gates by the left is that once he provided proof of residence, he should have been allowed to express his anger (and even verbally berate the officer) in the privacy of his own home.
I have a feeling that a verbal assault against a police officer is an arrestable offense whether in the private or public space. Can anyone confirm?
Remember that the old saying, “You are a liberal until you are mugged and a coservative until you are arrested”? Oh my God, what do we have here? A liberal who was arrested! What do you suppose that will make Gates? I vote for transgender.
There should be reports of Crowley of maybe cavorting with farm animals or of maybe not paying his taxes or of maybe once beating a girlfriend when he was 16 or …….
in 3…2…1…
Yet ANOTHER error our dear leader “regrets” in a series of mistakes, errors and bad decisions.
Let’s see,…, this occurred in MA, the bluest of blue states, which happens to have a black governor. Cambridge has a black mayor. One of the officers on the scene was black (and he backs up Crowley’s account). Gates is a black man teaching at Harvard, who also kindly provided him with a nice house in a very expensive neighborhood (gee, I wish my employer provided that kind of perk).
Yes, it’s clearly just like Mississippi in 1958. David L., shadow, haul out those protest signs and practice singing “We Shall Overcome!”
Blotto:
You begin by remarking on my “eloquence” and go on to say my remarks are “crude” and “off the hook.” Ordinary passive aggressiveness, this, or are you truly blotto?
FYI, I don’t make “sweeping charaterizations (sic) of the police because you (I) had a run in for doing something wrong.” Over the years, I have been the victim of crimes well over a dozen times. In two of the most dangerous encounters, I’ve had a surprised burglar’s knife to my throat and a gangs pistols to my head, my wife’s head and my oldest daughter’s head. In none of those instances were the police at all helpful, during or after the crime.
Your assertion that “If it weren’t for those police officers you so hate and denigrate, Jews would not be so cocky walking the streets of NY and other major urban centers because the same people Jews defend would certainly target you more for crime” is presumptuous and laughable.
The notion that the citizenry, Jewish or otherwise are defended and protected by the police is a self-serving fantasy flogged by dishonest politicians and law-and-order boosters. If you want defense and protection, call the fire department. Or get a gun.
I don’t hate cops, Blotto. I’m merely of the opinion that policemen are by and large non-productive parasites, thugs and bullies. Cops routinely overstep their authority, often violently. Cops perjure themselves on the witness stand as a matter of course. The best of them are lazy, dishonest, municipal clockpunchers; the worst are out and out criminals engaged in every variety of criminal activity including extortion, drugs, prostitution and murder for hire.
My opinions of the police aren’t based exclusively on my own experiences as you presume, Blotto. They are supported by the conclusion of every commission that has ever looked into police corruption in New York since the nineteenth century.
As for my “racist ideas, ” these were commonly understood and accepted a century ago in a less politically correct, more plainspoken age.
When Theodore Roosevelt was appointed police commissioner for New York after the Lexow Committee hearings into police corruption, he made cleansing of that white ethnic minority from the ranks of the police force his first priority. The Knapp Commission hearings seventy years later recognized the predominance of that same white ethnic group on the force. But identifying it as a primary source of corruption was no longer polite. Nonetheless, bringing far greater “diversity” into the police force—ie. ridding it of monopoly control by a single white ethnic group– was recognized as key to ridding the NYPD of corruption.
I am Jewish just as you so cunningly perceive, Blotto. But although I spend most mornings in Harlem, I don’t “see things colored in black tinted glasses,” as you nastily suggest. In fact, my experience is that black folk are every bit as racist as white folk. And at least as anti-Semitic.
Truth be told, the opinions I hear uptown are as unlettered and ignorant as yours.
86, how much you want to bet that Massachusetts state workers are working overtime right now doing that? Joe the Plumber wasn’t the problem for Teh Won that Jim the Cop is. I’m sure Acorn is looking into every conceivable nook and cranny for something that faintly resembles dirt. And failing that, they’ll construct something.
When one with no knowledge prejudges a situation (as BHO did) it is an indication that he is unsuited for being placed in the line-of-fire protecting this Nation. Then, when he discovers that his comments distorted the situation he should have the courage to apologize. But, BHO lacks this characteristic in his personality. BHO is an angry person of mixed race who has used the system to an extreme. He’s the last person I’d use as a barometer on race issues. Add narcissistic personality traits to the mix and you have an incendiary, irrational person – BHO. A perfect fit to support an elitist Harvard academic.
Now, on FOX, they have a minority elite academic from Harvard reacting and using distorted facts and no knowledge of the law in his support of another elite academic – and that’s who makes a Harvard degree not worth the paper it’s printed-on.
When one with no knowledge prejudges a situation (as BHO did) it is an indication that he is unsuited for being placed in the line-of-fire protecting this Nation. Then, when he discovers that his comments distorted the situation he should have the courage to apologize. That won’t happen with this POTUS.
What we have here is ANOTHER case of reverse racial prejudice. Not all that uncommon among sixty’s type activists and their clones.
Mr. Gates is nothing more than a narcissistic,leftist academic who pales in stature when it comes to putting his life on the line for his beliefs compared to Officer Crowley.
He knows that most of the time guilt ridden white liberals cringe at being called a racist, but boy did he get a surprise. Mr. Gates also suffers from too much of himself and a napoleon complex. It would be my bet that perhaps with lifts on he is 5’7″ but not in his bare feet on any given morning. This leads one to wondering that perhaps other myths about the African American prowess might not also be true in Gates’ case. Thus leaving him with another personal complex hard to overcome in his circle of x panthers.
He is obviously not the grateful type seeing as some white cop was there in record time and looking out for his personal safety. Had the black officer walked into the room first I wonder if his reaction would have been the same. In this case I believe it would have been. Only the words would have been directed at the Uncle Tom for trying to be white when all he would have been doing is do his job to protect and serve.
Professor Gates might feel more at home in the Roxbury section of Boston. At least there he would be surrounded by many of his linguistic peers.That is if he can put up with a few Puerto Ricans as well hey vato! Right on Bro!
Mere weeks after telling the NAACP that blacks need to stop blaming racism for inattentive and absent fathers, disintegrating families and kids that can’t compete with Asians, Obama undermined it all. He looked backward when he had the chance to “re-set” the issue.
Gates reacted from his past. His saw not an honest cop sent to help but an “uppity” cop who got the “do you know who I am?” treatment.
The cop saw it in real time: neighbors had called a forced entry; Gates was there; identification was not a reason to immediately clear someone in a forced entry. Gates might have been held hostage inside so the cop asked him to come out on the porch where he could talk, free of any threats inside.
So Gates, who saw it wrong and acted like a complete jerk to someone sent to help, insists that he was free to berate and insult the cop. Having provoked the cop to no end, now its somehow the cop’s fault for arresting him.
Cops can be jerks. But here, Gates was 100% wrong. Obama should have made this his own “Sister Souljah” moment and shamed Gates. Instead, he blamed the cops, increased the tension between blacks and cops and reopened an old wound.
Really sad.
Just another affirmative action elitist with entitlements. Hmmm, that fits both Gates and Obama.
Harvard degrees are over-rated.
It is my personal opinion that Obama considers himself the president of blacks and latinos only and not president of whitey. After all, all his policies are to get payback from whitey to make amends for all their rascist sins. He had the nerve to say at the press conference that we should use this as a teachable moment. He is the one being rascist. I just think this ploy of blacks yelling “rascist” all the time has worn thin with all of us who have moved on and are actually not rascist. There are a lot of blacks who are never going to move on because they are the rascists. Gates is getting a lot of mileage out of this on all the TV and radio shows. I think the policeman should follow through on the lawsuit he has said he may file for defamation of character. Maybe this would put a stop of some of this crap!
# 14 jerryofva:
You can’t presume anymore “racism” on the part of the first 911 caller than on Crawley. If news reports are right, there had been nine burglaries in the neighborhood. Enough to be on the alert, don’t ya think? And when you report an incident, description of suspects matters, so that police would know what to look for, wouldn’t you say so?
There’s no racism involved in this episode, none whatsoever, except on Gates’ part.
I feel sorry for officer Crowley, whose devotion to the leftist dogma of “racial profiling” in his career comes back to bite and punish him. “Profiling”, racial and everything else, is basic police and forensic work. It’s founded, necessarily, on statistics and probabilities of crime in different groups of people. Blacks and Latinos commit a majority of violent crime in the U.S. It’s a fact. Whites commit a majority of serial, psycho killings, and many more white-collar crimes–no matter the underlying social and cultural reasons.
Crowley’s predicament has nothing to do with “racism” and everything to do with Gates’ own agenda and ego. As a race hustler in his entire professional career who talked about things he had not experienced because he had only been fawned on as an Ivy League prof and met with adulation everywhere, he seized upon the first chance to justify his entire career by building up a false racial-profiling “narrative.” Boy, was his script of racial grievance–copyrights and all–already in place when Crowley showed up on his porch…
Remember that Stanley Fish, the eternal contrarian and subversive has-been scholar, a big shot in the academia and a friend of “Skip”‘s, hired this guy as an English Prof at Duke even after Gates had testified in the 2 Live Crew lawsuit and made a fool of himself by defending their obscene lyrics with a supposedly Shakespeare poem, which was, in fact, a Scot’s, Robert Burns, and afterwards aroused generations of freshmen already high on pot by offering them Tupak Shakur’s scabrous poetry as pure genius.
I would imagine that just providing proof of residence is not all that has to be done or taken into consideration, could be that checks were made to be sure there were no restraining orders on Gates among other things. I’m not a police officer, but I would assume that this would be done at a minimum?
I think you’re misreading why he said those things. He wasn’t having a conservative epiphany, he was defending his bona-fides with another important interest group: the feminists. That was generic male bashing wrapped in racial paper.
The feminists are still pissed at him over Hillary, and he’s gone far further out on limbs to give them what they want than any other interest group. Among other things, he’s by far the most radically pro-abortion president in history, but he’s pretty much letting them have his way on everything that he can.
It’s the price of doing business. Chicago.
Civil rights applies to people of color only. Sotomayer,
Gates, Obama, Wright, Jesse, Sharpton and all the rest are
protected by the Civil Rights Laws contained in the U.S.
Constitution. If a white person has their “Civil Rights”
abused they will soon find that no lawyer or court will
hear their complaint with few exceptions. This is the way
it works in America and you all will be better off at just
excepting that Big Brother is now in power!
As a retired PD Sgt of 30 years, I also encourage Crowley to invest in a tape recorder. Having been burned once, early on in my career, it was the best investment in equipment I ever made. On more than one occasion I would let the other person see me push the “ON” button. Invariably the question was “What are you doing that for?”. My response was always the same: “This situation is obviously going south. For your protection and MINE, I am taping everything that’s being said.” You’d be surprised how many “attitudes” can be quickly adjusted by a simple “ON” button.
99: it seemed broader than that, and I hoped it was. I wasn’t suggesting an epiphany but at least some concern that the same tired excuses are doing real damage. A “Cosby” moment maybe. I don’t know any Japanese that spend much time wailing about being interned. Or Irish nursing grudges over their initial reception. Or Chinese endlessly suggesting that being ill treated held them back and justifies being insufferably rude to cops. They’re all too busy studying, starting businesses etc.
“the shadow” demonstrates the lack of critical thinking at some American universities. Apparently the shadow is/was a person of some authority at Duke University.
Your letter put absolutely nothing about Skip Gates and this situation in perspective. You argument is that because he may have been treated poorly by other twenty years ago, it’s justification for him to be an ass presently?
By your argument, allow me to provide a different perspective. Twenty five years ago, I was disgusted by each occurance of reported racism. Over these past twenty years I’ve been exposed to far too much liberal thinking.
I’ve been told, that since I happen to be a white male of European descent, I should be held responsible and feel guilt about slavery. Never mind that my ancestors legally immigrated after slavery was abolished. Never mind that my ancestor’s country of origin had nothing to do with the slave trade.
I don’t have have time to list the times I’ve personally witnessed Affirmative Action in progress and seen unqualified individuals promoted and failing tests altered for “fairness”. Over these many years there have been far too many cases in which the accuser of racism has been proven wrong. (Being affiliated with a university, I must assume you’ve heard of the story about “a boy crying wolf”)
I no longer accept the words of the accuser of racism, sexism, and the rest of the -isms at the truth. Skippy Gates will not be given the benefit of the doubt by me. He is a lying racist in my book until he proves otherwise.
How’s that for perspective?
I read a good book a while back called “Blue Blood” by Edward Conlon, a HARVARD alumni, (maybe Gates should read it) and wrote this song mostly just reiterating the descriptions there… I also borrowed a few lines from Peter Maa’s “Serpico” but my intentions were to write a song that would run counter to the rampant debasing of law and order and the police forces that the media propigates(propi- “gates”, no pun intended)…Especially after hearing so much of Springsteen’s chastising of the law (especiallay “41 shots”…I wrote a similar song, called, not coincidentally, “41 Shots” before he did, but never played it in public,because I thought it was too naive in it’ s thinking) …I’m not sure if this is the right song…but in drop D tuning it’s at least something contrasting to the agenda being cultivated by the MSM.
Also the timing of this incident with the Education Bill (provisions of the Stimulus) draws my skepticism on what kind of doctrines schools and teachers are apt to be awarded federal monies for future teachings.
The Blue Blood
It’s a Jersey trade of crime and flesh
I’m jest a minstral boy in these ranks of death
I pull the 3 to midnight on the verticals up
They say, “Only the guilty sleep once ya get ‘em locked up”
But you jest lookin’, lookin’ for what you must
Until you know what it’s like to be born a blue blood
Beyond the green lights, beyond the yards and fields
You can hold ‘em dead to their rights, then they start cuttin’ their deals
‘Till they can spit in yer face, sit an’ smile smug
They don’t know what it’s like to be born a blue
In the lobbies some of ‘em even hold the doors
or behind the counters of a record store
then it’s buried in yer body with a .22 slug
still don’t know what it’s like to be born a blue blood
Sometimes ya draw a thin line, sometimes go farther then you should
but when there’s no place to go, no point in tryin’ how the hell do you do any good?
What is right is right an there’s no other way
Folks kill themselves by goin’ astray
an sometimes ya find yer own mind can be its worst drug
‘Cause ya don’t know what it’s like ta be born a blue blood
Until yer gone, gone to yer graces, burned down to the dust,
my friends ya don’t know what it’s like to born a blue blood
So ya jest keep lookin’ lookin for what ya must
Till you know what its like to be born a blue blood.
As a retired police officer I salute you Sgt Crawley for your professionalism under fire. If invited, I would decline the invitation to the White House. I have had enough interaction with those who preach and don’t practice, spend your time teaching others how to be the kind of officer you have become.
Stay safe!!
Perhaps, Gates, like Kobe Bryant after his legal difficulties, will now find himself with some street cred? Something that’s he’s always been a bit uncomfortable about….
As for educable moments, how about Sgt. Crowley using his appearance at the WH to educate the public about the incredible risks, dangers, and uncertainties faced by police officers even when making a call in a relatively benign environment like Cambridge around Harvard Square?
The next time a pol like Obama turns a stinkeroo flub
into a “teachable moment”, I’m going to retch. What arrogance. Bush would never be ALLOWED a teachable
moment. This Mulligan handed on a platter to Obama
shows that even when HE errs, HE does not really err.
He was put among us to show us our own human failings.
“27. david levavi:”
You sir are a bigot. js
What I found interesting about the Gates – Crawley incident was how it got magnified and equated by Gates, and the vast majority of Black political pundits, from one local event to every racial profiling story across the nation for the last 50 years.
Clearly there is racial profiling going on here. Unfortunately it is the Black community that is doing the racial profiling.
If Crowley has any character at all, he’ll refuse the invitation else he’ll become the scapegoat and paraded as the “white guy” who condescended to a contrite racist.
……if he hollars
let him go
enie menie mine mo.
Simple, everyone that age knows. The louder you yell the more you can deflect
from the real problem…..
It’s remarkable how many people are willing to leap to judgment without having heard all of the facts; I hope those of you willing to condemn either Gates or Crowley at this point never serve on a jury.
The only thing that is clear is that an altercation took place followed by an arrest. It wouldn’t be the first time a college professor *or* a police officer was out of line and maybe both men had bad days and were out of line. We won’t know until objective witnesses testify. Let’s show our respect for the constitution and hold both parties innocent until proven guilty.
Post 28 The Shadow:
It doesn’t take much to figure out Gates wasn’t a suspect. Even though neighbors reported a possible burglary common sense would vindicate Gates quickly. Perhaps you’re too immursed in theory to gather the obvious realities of that night. Gate’s dress age and other factors quickly separates him from the common burglar. Please update your mental files about 20-30 years because Black people have reached parity with middle class whites and Gates is by no means middle class. You’re argument is totally out of date and out of touch.
I checked these items off my personal to-do list today:
1–Call the non-emergency no. at the Cambridge PD and give them a message of support for Sgt Crowley. (It was clearly appreciated — the fellow sounded surprised.)
2–Email the White House and remind Mr President that he owes an apology to Sgt Crowley. (Still waiting for a response. Not holding my breath.)
You all might do the same. It took 5 minutes, and registered my vote on the situation.
Perhaps this entire skit was deliberate. I find it suspect that at a time when odumbo is trying to push his socialist health care through something such as this surfaces. Not only was this racial it was someone from 1- Harvard 2- biracial 3- is good friends with Odumbo 4- the professor teachers about racial prophiling. All is supect. Out of 300 million ppl one lone professor at Harvard of mixed race that is friends of the 1st blk president, who teachers racial prophiling at the prestigious college that Mr Odumbo went to, fogets his keys. Decorated white police officer that teaches classes on racial prophiling and volunteers his time in the community to children of race is caught up in a situation with this black Harvard professor. Next thing his name is all over the news and the president of the USA is just short of calling him a racist and implies the entire Cambridge police force are STUPID. The professor has now hired counsel for a law suit against the police dept and the officer. Racism is a lucritive business. Many black ppl have become very wealthy due to racism. look at Sharpton and Jackson both live very comfortable lives. Matters little if there was racism at all, most will settle out of court to avoid a trial. It has gotten so bad that every white person is afraid to ask a question or say anything that may be interperted as racial. Roles have been reversed, victims reversed, blacks are abusing what racism truly is.
As an officer, I shouldn’t be amazed by all of this. I mean, I’ve experienced what Crowley is currently going through (though certainly not on as grand a stage) and have seen it happen countless times to other good, well-intentioned officers.
Still, when things like this occur, I continue to be stunned. I guess, being a decent, clear-minded person, when I see people so adamant in their amazingly flawed views of reality, it still sticks in my craw and makes me wonder where we went wrong as a society.
Once again, the bad guy gets away with it. Why do I even bother to do this job?
*sigh*
Next time you see some black guys forcing open a door, immediately think HARVARD PROFESSOR.
Does Prof. Gates or President Obama not know that they are placing officers at greater risk than they were 3 days ago? Now,if a white officer asks a black male to show identification, the black guy will say, “hey, the mayor, the governor, and the president said you are a racist. So get the F out of here and take yo mamma with you. I be a professor.” And the cop will have no choice but to taser his butt. Further escalating the conflict.
Works for me.
112, at this point, what facts are in dispute?
I think Massachusetts requires all parties to consent to recording so the hidden recorder could be a problem for Sgt. Crowley.
Most Police officers have below average intelligence and education. And yes most are racist and makeup for their shortcomings by picking on coloreds etc.
This may not have happned here but so what — cops are still a problem! The guy was arrested for giving lip….I hpe everyoen gives lips to these cops!
Sgt. Crowley, I’ve got your back. You are a true professional. Don’t let the media “Joe” you.
I hope will do an interview with Hannity, or Rush. People need to know about this.
Re The Shadow: Ditto what #103 Jack Herman said!
Wouldn’t even attempt to say it any better!
America,I realizes that Barack Obama is a race-bater,a race pimp like Al Sharpton, which has been proven by a number of incidents and statements since he has become president. And I apologize to you for him. I apologize,I apologize; I apologize for all that he has done. Oh,yeah,and you an’t seen nothin’ yet.
This appears to be the Gates police report.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17512830/Gates-Police-Report
For those of you in law enforcement, if you can send word to Crowley, let him know America stands behind him.
He does not need to apologize for doing his job.
Has anyone set him up a legal defense fund? If so, I will support.
IMO he should file suit against Gates and this BHO person.
Obama Calls Crowley. Freddy the Fly on the Wall’s Perspective
(The following is not substantiated. It is simply the as yet unverified report of Freddy, a fly on the wall in the Oval Office who has not yet been swatted and smushed by Obama. Freddy, fortunately, kept detailed notes on the president’s phone call to Sgt. James Crowley of the Cambridge, MA police force. BHO=Obama, SGT=Crowley.)
BHO: Hey, Jimmy-boy. How ya doin’?
SGT: Who is this?
BHO: It’s your president, stu . . . umm, Sergeant!
SGT: The PBA president? You don’t sound like him.
BHO: No, no, no, it’s Barack Obama!
SGT: Oh. Who put you through to me and how did you get my number, anyway? It’s unlisted.
BHO: (Laughs) We have our ways, Jim. We have our ways. (Laughs again)
SGT: Whatever. What’s on your mind, Mr. President, why are you calling me?
BHO: Well, to explain things, Jimbo. I didn’t want you to get the wrong impression from what I said the other night . . . I didn’t want you to think I was calling you stupid. . . .
SGT: First, sir, please don’t call me Jimbo. Even my mom doesn’t call me Jimbo. But who then were you calling stupid? The whole Cambridge police force? And in front of a national audience on tv?
BHO: No problemo, Jim, don’t be so hot-headed . . .
SGT: Please call me sergeant, Mr. President. I worked hard to get this rank.
BHO: Umm, yeah, right, Senator Boxer said something like that to a general a while back.
SGT: I wouldn’t know. I don’t follow politics much.
BHO: Okay, I hear ya sergeant. I guess ya didn’t vote for me either? (Laughs)
SGT: Why would you say that, sir?
BHO: Well, as I said, we have our ways . . . of finding out stuff. Gibbsie told me most cops didn’t, that is, except for black cops. And you’re not black, right?
SGT: No sir.
BHO: Well, I guess you didn’t vote for me.
SGT: No comment. But, Mr. President, I’m sure you’re a busy man and I have a tee time in an hour. I hate to rush you . . .
BHO: Gotcha, sergeant, I won’t keep you long but I’m not really very busy.
SGT: Thank you, sir.
(Long pause)
SGT: Sir?
BHO: Yup?
SGT: Why did you call me? I think I heard you loud and clear on national television.
BHO: Well, we can’t always believe what we hear, sarge . . .
SGT: Please call me sergeant.
BHO: Yeah, right . . . Well, I called to set things straight. You do know the Black Congressional Caucus is supporting me and what I said at the health care news conference?
SGT: Yes, and so is Al Sharpton. So?
BHO: Well, I was just trying to show you that things aren’t always so black and white, ya know? I wanna be the president of all the people and I don’t want any hard feelings over all this. You know what I’m saying?
SGT: I do, sir. I’m not that stupid. May I speak frankly?
BHO: Sure, sergeant! I always want transparency and frank talk gets that done.
SGT: Thank you. Well, I just don’t understand you. Leon, that’s Sgt. Leon Lashley, a black guy, by the way, was on the scene when this thing with Professor Gates occurred and he fully corroborates my account of what happened. I just don’t get why you jumped the gun and ripped me and my department when you admitted you didn’t know all the facts and furthermore what you said seemed to have racial overtones since I’m white and the professor is black. It made it seem that it was racial for me to enforce the law . . .
BHO: Whoa! Now you sound like one angry man, sergeant!
SGT: No, I’m not angry. I’m pissed that the president of the United States would go off half-cocked on a local matter you knew nothing about! After all, is that presidential?
BHO: Now, you excuse me, sergeant, please don’t question my presidentiality. Professor Gates is a friend of mine . . .
(Read the rest at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/index.php?s=freddy)
Gosh, maybe I agree with Obama.
Perhaps this is a teaching moment.
Having been in political backrooms for years trying to get votes and win elections, let me give you the most likely reasons for Obama’s actions relative to the Gates fiasco.
First and foremost, Obama’s knee jerk reaction,the “stupidly” remark undoubtedly wasn’t knee jerk at all.
It probably was a calculated plan designed to curry favor with his base, the black vote; those 95 percenters who would follow the BoyKing to hell.
Did Barack mean to use the word, “stupid”?
Of course he did. Why? Because that was the button he needed to push to remind the 95 percenters he’s still 100% on their side.
Our Boy King knew the “police acted stupidly” remark would create a mild firestorm.
At the same time, though, Barack also knew the LA Times, NYT, Wash.Post, NBC, CBS and the whole rest of his slave media (did I forget to mention the daily show with Jon Stewart) would jump off the loathsome remark as if it were radioactive and immediately move to the brown eyed handsome man’s trumped up version of the teaching moment.
It was the same teaching moment ploy he used when he stepped in it with an idiotic special Olympics remark.
Likewise, it’s the kind of teaching moment Goebbles and Goering had when they would review the efficiency of the Jew killing methods in Germany.
To harsh my libtard morning breaths?
I draw the comparison because race hatred rhetoric is common to Gates and the other two aforementioned G boys. And if I remember correctly, it was BO himself who race bated America by saying some whites wouldn’t vote for him because he didn’t look like the faces on their money.
Here’s where he starts lying.
Something else the President said.
That in point of fact he should have re-calibrated his choice of words.” Notice, people, no news person ever asks him what he meant by that. If he didn’t mean to use the word, “Stupid”, then what did he mean to say? The slave media must have forgotten to ask.
So let’s review.
Barack meant what he initially said. Then lied about what he says he should have said. Then never told us what he should have said. Never apologized. And said a beer between the three is what is probably needed.
Actually, I think beer is very low on TeleBama’s choice of beverage. I think Barack’s knee jerk reaction is to drink whatever flavor of the month Kool Aid is in vogue.
My teaching moment? Actually, I think writing this has opened my eyes to something I now see more clearly than ever.
R.B.Sotomayor (racist bigot Soto), A.H. Wright (America hating) R.B Gates (race bating)B.T. Ayers (bomb throwing)…you name em’, I’ll rename em’. The libtards from cesspool to muckish cesspool are a racist, bigoted bunch of America haters the world heretofore has never seen. What a stench they leave wherever they go.
Golly gee, three and a half more years is a long time to have to hold your nose. Maybe there’s a clothes pin company we can invest in.
Barack calls for a teaching moment.
Sorry master race baiter, but your kind of teaching moment America can do without. Race Baiting 101 is a course I don’t care to take.
Although I do hear Harvard offers a Doctoral program in it.
By the way, I wonder what the course casebook is?
Racism for Dummies?
Hey all you criminals out there….I know where there is a house that you can break into & rob, and it’s almost 100% certain the police won’t come! (they won’t come now that is!)
LogicalDave,
I hate to be so harsh, but it’s late and the restraint part of my brain must be taking a break.
Dave, you’re an idiot. pp
“The only thing that is clear is that an altercation took place followed by an arrest. It wouldn’t be the first time a college professor *or* a police officer was out of line and maybe both men had bad days and were out of line.” Quoted for truth. The only person who we know for certain was out of line was President Obama, who said the officer acted stupidly after admitting he knew nothing about the situation.
If you read the Sgt.’s report, it’s very clear the Sgt. invited Gates to continue his tirade outside, then arrested Gates for taking up his invitation: “I told Gates I was leaving his residence and if he had any other questions I would speak with him outside”. This is an invitation to Gates to continue the exchange outside. Why would the Sgt. invite Gates outside, knowing his agitated state, where Gate’s behavior would be a disturbance?
I know officers generally deserve respect, consideration and thanks, but they can’t go around arresting people who insult them when officers intrude unnecessarily into their homes. And yes, also according to the Sgt.’s report, the Sgt. knew before the exchanged moved outside the home that the Sgt. was intruding unneccessarily: “…With Harvard University ID in hand, I radioed my findings to ECC and prepared to leave…”
I have to admit that agree with Obama (which is gross) that Gates probably shouldn’t have been arrested considering the context. There was no break in, Gates wasn’t dangerous, he wasn’t even drunk, the police were the intruders in this instance (which Crowley knew before he elected to continue the exhange outside), the Sgt. invited Gates to continue the exchange outside the house in view of the public, etc.
I think this is a case of “contempt of cop” not disturbing the peace.
“The boy who cried racism”
This event will only take away the many real life situations that DO involve racist acts by polic officers toward black men. The more times that false bigotry is reported, the more the public will be skeptical about it. Mr. Gates doesn’t care about that, though. It’s all about making a bigger name for himself.
Hey Levavi: First your choice of words are described by me as eloquent; what you meant in your sentences and paragraphs are crude, etc.
“I’m merely of the opinion that policemen are by and large non-productive parasites, thugs and bullies.” This whole paragraphy is loaded with factually untrue, mean and prejudical meanings. The police are the only line of defense between us and criminals and anarchy. If you believe otherwise because of your past incidents then you have a problem. And once again you did make a sweeping statement; perhaps you should learn more about the Enlish language and culture before entering into debate.
“My opinions of the police aren’t based exclusively on my own experiences as you presume, Blotto. They are supported by the conclusion of every commission that has ever looked into police corruption in New York since the nineteenth century.” Boy is this a canard. Every commission??? Doubtful and even if it did state that there was corruption, it certainly did not say all police officers are corrupt. That is your bigoted mind at work.
“Nonetheless, bringing far greater “diversity” into the police force—ie. ridding it of monopoly control by a single white ethnic group– was recognized as key to ridding the NYPD of corruption.”
So either the NYPD is corrupt or it isn’t? You can’t have it both ways. But I see where you are now coming from: Now that blacks “diversity” are on the force, it is much better. But you just said that the police are corrupt. Which is it?
So it is the white Irish or Italians on the force that you are bigoted towards. What a shining example of prejudice, racism and bigotry from a “learned” Jew. I am surprised you did not say, oh, “I have some Irish and Italian friends.”
Typically you go around and off the map. Your last paragraph is an example of just how mixed up you are. It is not even worth tearing apart.
I wish Gates had tried his crap in Texas. He probably would have been tazed and had the snot beaten out of him before he was thrown rather unceremoniously in to jail. He would have been charged with disturbing the peace and resisting arrest and set for trial.
Obama needs to act like a President, or his legacy may be that he broke the chains of the “white guilt” canard and, God help us, summoned infernal resentments from non-blacks.
Gates and Obama have many things in common-they are both well educated,both celebrities,both egomaniacal,and both are racists.God bless Sgt. Crowley for doing his job.As for Gates-come down from your high horse moron.And as for Obama-haven’t you done enough to destroy this country?Now you are going to play police chief too.You lied about bipartisanship,lied about taxes,lied about lobbyists,and you certainly lied about a post-racial America.
#53. Mike_K: “Maybe racism poisons the mind of the left far more than the right.”
Cut’s to the heart of the matter and is is being confirmed over and over again. Even from the highest office of our great country.
“# 130. Mike: Why would the Sgt. invite Gates outside, knowing his agitated state, where Gate’s behavior would be a disturbance?”
Because the initial 911 call said “TWO” men entered the home. If you can get one of them out of the house until back-up arrives, that seems to me to be the prudent decision.
“# 120. A S: Most Police officers have below average intelligence and education. And yes most are racist and makeup for their shortcomings by picking on coloreds etc.”
Please provide a link to prove your statistical allegation.
Thought so. STFU.
My GOD, Can’t everyone see. This is what they want. Everyone at each others throats. Civil uprise !!!!!!!!!. It will justify marshall law.
Now why would Obama assume that Sgt. Crowley drinks beer? Is it because he’s a cop? All cops sit around and drink beer right?
#137. scituate_tgr: “Because the initial 911 call said “TWO” men entered the home. If you can get one of them out of the house until back-up arrives, that seems to me to be the prudent decision.”
scituate_tgr, that’s what I first thought too, but if you read the Sgt.’s report, it doesn’t seem to indicate that is the casd. It’s indicates the Sgt. understood that there was no break-in and that Gates was being truthful about it being his house before Crowley invited Gates to continue his rabid lunacy outside.
The Sgt. wrote: “…With Harvard University ID in hand, I radioed my findings to ECC and prepared to leave…” That was before he invited Gates outside to continue his ranting.
# 120 A S:
“Most Police officers have below average intelligence and education. And yes most are racist and makeup for their shortcomings by picking on coloreds etc.”
Any solid proof? Is that true of black police officers too?
We’ve got quite an Einstein here….
Ref #138.
“Please provide a link to prove your statistical allegation.
Thought so. STFU.”
STFU? What language? You must be one of those conservatives going nuts now that a black man is President.
As far as links go there are parts —
1) low iq/loq sat scores of police officers and 2) police officers being mean to coloreds.
I will assume there is no debate on #2. Just that you as a so-called conservative find it logical since most crimes are committed by blacks etc. etc.
So it is really about the first one that you want a link?
I thought it was well know that teachers and public sectors (police officers included) had lowest SAT scores — why else would they do these jobs. No one from an Ivy Leagues joins the police force! I know, I know there are exceptions.
Here are some links:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/gastonia-nc/TLBMK71DCVB8593GU
http://www.geocities.com/rnseitz/Definition_of_IQ.html
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_56314.html
And this link is gratis…see iq by state (red states)
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id1048.html
Meanwhile I feel so sory for conservatives. Why don’t you stand up for what you believe? William F Buckley, your hero, was against civil rights and for segregation till it became untenable then he conveniently switched. So why don’t you guys stand up for your founding father Buckley and go back to true conservative roots –segregation, unequal rights for coloreds etc.
Guess what? You don’t have the courage to say what you really should be standing up for…just like Buckley (your hero) didn’t.
Conservative! What a joke!
Amazing how these two interviews are as different as…… black & white
Gates:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2009/07/23/bia.henry.gates.cnn?iref=videosearch
Sgt.Crowley
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO119845/
Let’s ask some students and experts on police encounters. Every expert, lawyer and advocate that I have listened to has said that the most important factor in dealing with a police encounter is for the citizen to remain calm and polite. This Gates police encounter is the archetype example of how not to deal with a police encounter.
If Sgt. Crowley’s police report is to be believed, and I think we have to believe the content because Prof. Gates doesn’t publicly dispute the content, then what we have here is a great step by step encounter to examine to see the flaws in the citizen’s response to the police encounter.
What did Prof. Gates do right? Pretty much nothing.
First, the officer came to his front door to investigate a break in. This shouldn’t have been a surprise to Gates because he had had a break in before. Gates immediately acted confrontational with the officer for no apparent reason. For someone of Professor Gates’ stature, he should have politely asked the officer to remain on the porch until he could reach his lawyer on the phone and his lawyer could then speak with the officer, taking Gates out of the encounter. If he didn’t have a lawyer to call, he could have called Professor Dershowitz and I’m sure Prof. D would have had some choice words for the officer. But that would have been between the lawyer and the officer; it takes the client out of the confrontation. Plus, Gates even is friends with a Harvard trained lawyer, Barack Obama. Could you imagine this Leo crapping his pants if Gates gets his “lawyer” on the phone and it’s Obama.
Second, Gates allowed the officer to enter the home. Huge mistake. Never ever allow the officer admittance to your home. The author here is completely mistaken about the right of the Leo to enter the home to investigate the “magic call”. Call your lawyer. Speak to the Leo through a window. Throw your lawyers card out the window and tell the Leo to call your lawyer. Get your video camera and start recording. But never, let them consensually into the home because you are waiving your 4th amendment rights.
Third, Gates kept talking (screaming?) even though the Leos said they were done with the investigation and leaving. Talking to a Leo after he has told you that you are ”free to go” is a lot like a base runner arguing with the umpire over a safe call at the plate that has gone in his favor after a close tag. “Are you sure I’m safe, you dumb umpire. What are you blind and your mama?”
Fourth, this officer came to Gates’ home quickly to investigate the break in. Gates ought to have been impressed. He must live a long way from the hood. How many Leos go quickly to some home in the hood to investigate a break in. A friend of mine in Tampa told me once he reported a shooting in a convenience store parking lot in the hood and the 911 operator told him to call back after they quit shooting.
Yes, the Leos probably should have walked, but everyone wants their chance at the 15 minutes of fame.
There’s a flip side to that. Do either of these tighty-half whitey Harvard snobs know what to do with a mug of beer? This could actually be hilarious watching them try to smell the bouquet, or alternatively what happens after they try to gulp it down.
U no speakity English for ur first language, do you?
Too much outrages me about this whole episode, not the least of which is this heinous, elitist “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!?!” attitude. I totally disrespect any a-hole who uses this or anything similar, I don’t care who they are. TG I’m not a cop!
This Gates character is a black Ward Churchill. And President Stupidly is a small, nasty, malevolent man.
this is the way black men are treated in America? one of them is the Potus and the other is a Harvard professor. how did they manage to get that chip on their shoulder? this is equivalent, in my mind, of Emelda Marcos complaining that she doesn’t have any shoes to wear. for those who don’t know she was the wife of the Philipino president who had over 3 thousnad pair of shoes. Shadow: maybe the good professor needs to leave the plantation of his mind. if his credentials are as good as you say no explanation is needed.
if Sgt Crowley goes to washington he better have his speech ready for the news conference afterwards, otherwise the narrative will be controlled by the ones trying to cover their asses. better take back up with you too.
Ref: “147. Strawman:
No one from an Ivy Leagues joins the police force! U no speakity English for ur first language, do you?”
Fair Enough! I should take more care while typing. But you did not address any of the points on substance?
It would be like me saying — U got into college as a legacy student did u not? or you seem to have a low-income job? Or some such thing…probably true but since you are already under so much stress having to live under a black president I will take pity on you!
I wish conservatives would stop whining and being lazy and asking for handouts? Why don’t you compete on merit?
# 143 A S
“No one from an Ivy Leagues joins the police force!”
No, they pretend to teach English to folks like you, with the results that you display. I’d love to see Ivy profs like Gates join the police force, where real community and social work is being done. But, of course, that’s beneath them. They are, for one thing, well schooled in Marxist/post-modern thought that all police are forces of repression–if you believe that, please don’t call 911 when you get mugged; just embrace your mugger as an oppressed, under-privileged brother–and, second, gone would be the limo service and the many other status benefits plus the adulation.
Definitely, the police force is not a choice
I am a retired LEO from the LA area myself- and I was working during the King riots. Now that my bona fides are out of the way…
One thing no one has mentioned is that during the time of the encounter, Gates made a completed phone call to someone at the station/precinct/HQ, whatever they call it there, and was ranting pretty hard about wanting the chief on the the line “NOW!!”. As is the norm I am certain this call was recorded- I have to wonder what of the exchange between himself and Sgt. Crowley was also recorded while the exalted professor was waiting for one of the serfs to fetch him the police chief.
Makes one wonder if the potential release of said tapes is what has now got Gates offering to “move on”.
If I were Sgt. Crowley I would have never accepted a call from Obama and I would tell them both to go ahead and start drinking with out me.
Thank you. I think what happened was that when his “I’m a high and might Harvard professor” thing didn’t work, he fell back on the race shtick. Quite possibly, the fact that the elite shtick didn’t work was proof in his mind of racism.
When I heard those words, I immediately thought of Connie Chung in Oklahoma City. She walks right under the police barricade tape with camera crew in tow like she owned the place, and when a cop stopped her, you guessed it, she said “do you know who I am?”.
This isn’t first and foremost about race. It’s about boorish preciousness.
I think the idea to record (video and audio) is admirable and it should be departmental policy everywhere. The problem is most Leos wouldn’t do it because then they couldn’t lie about the encounter or interrogation later. Just look at all the video on the internet about errant, abusive, even tortuous activities that have been recorded. I haven’t seen too much that is good for law enforcement, but maybe that is just because Leos don’t record.
In Fl, prior to 1995, Leos and other state workers could question child witnesses about child abuse without a camera. After 1995, they were required to document by recording every interview with a child that took place. The amount of prosecutions for child sex abuse and child abuse dropped by more than a half. Why did the Legislature have to make a law about this, why didn’t Leo land require it? Because they can’t lie about it later.
The tapes have been requested. They’re balking. You may have put your finger on why. This may take a FOIA request, and even a court fight, but the public will eventually get these. There’s no valid reason to deny a FOIA request. This ain’t national security.
Gates and 0bama both are going to end up with a crate of eggs all over them.
I graduated in 1975 from an Ivy League school. Two classmates joined police forces.
Plus this really has nothing at all to do with race. Gates is typical of Ivy League professors, believe it or not, most of them are pretty close to the same temperament. Everyone, other than their closest acquaintances and friends and business associates, are untouchables and trash. God forbid, that student or (gasp) a Leo would try to talk to them. OMG.
Ref: ” 157. steveo10: I graduated in 1975 from an Ivy League school. Two classmates joined police forces.”
Thank you for proving my point. As i said there will always be exceptions…and excpetions prove the rule.
BTW were u and those typical legacy students? Got in because you were southern white males (who may have had some alumni/other family connections) but couldn’t realy cut it at graduation so joined the police force?
Isn’t that why you guys are so mad…it is getting harder and harder to keep up…..remember the good old days…when you could just get in for being white? Well that is pretty much still true for most jobs but not for shool admission any more.
You “sothern white males” (aka conservatives) need to stop looking for handouts. Stop being lazy and compete on merit!
Sgt Leon Lashley Interview with Anderson Cooper
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/07/black-police-sgt-leon-lashley-backs-sgt.html
Ref A S:
I don’t usually feed trolls, I will make an exception in your case.
By your comments it is obvious that you don’t personally know any law enforcement professionals of any kind. It is also obvious that you have no clue about what it takes to be a police officer, or what the day to day life of a police officer is like. Service to others? A totally foreign concept to you; you undoubtably hold true to the John Kerry line of thinking about people in military uniforms as well.
You must feel real good about yourself, feeling both morally and intelectually superior to all the hard working people who provide for your safety and freedom. Your ignorance and lack of respect are pretty typical of liberals, who take for granted the protection provided by people less selfish than your ilk.
By the way, you’re wrong about both the intelligence and education of police officers, I would happen to know that first hand (a much better indicator that whatever you scavenge off the internet).
Your ignorance shines through, making your comments invalid in any assessment of the Gates situation.
“Thank you for proving my point. As i said there will always be exceptions…and excpetions prove the rule.
BTW were u and those typical legacy students? Got in because you were southern white males (who may have had some alumni/other family connections) but couldn’t realy cut it at graduation so joined the police force?
Isn’t that why you guys are so mad…it is getting harder and harder to keep up…..remember the good old days…when you could just get in for being white? Well that is pretty much still true for most jobs but not for shool admission any more.
You “sothern white males” (aka conservatives) need to stop looking for handouts. Stop being lazy and compete on merit!”
Apparently whatever school you graduated from taught neither grammar, spelling nor punctuation.
How lazy and incompetent do you have to be to not even be able to take advantage of an automated spell checker built in to most modern browsers today while attempting to disparage the relative intelligence of American police officers?
Oh, the sweet irony.
This is how this police encounter should have gone:
Crowley: Hello, I’m here to investigate a report that someone broke into this home. may I come in?
Gates: (speaking to the officer through the window) That’s okay, officer, I’m Henry Gates, I’m the owner of this home. I won’t be needing your services today.
Crowley: Well, department policy requires me to verify your identity, could you show me some ID?
Gates: Well, I wonder if you could call my attorney ________ , he’ll be able to verify my identity. I’m quite busy. Am I under arrest?
Crowley: No, of course not, I’m sure I can handle this through your attorney, thank you.
Gates: You’re welcome. Have a nice day.
Ref: 162. KSS:
“…take advantage of an automated spell checker built in to most modern browsers today…”
Actually most (not one?) browsers don’t have spell checker built-in. Email programs yes, but not browsers.
But hey how would you know? These browser things require logic and math and are made in very blue liberal states like CA, WA, MA and NY. You should stick to police work or cattle herding, work on oil rigs or some other “less mental” activity. Ok, boy?
Yup. Been there, done that. Around the dinner table of what was supposed to be a family event. I don’t even think this precious pretentious pompous person even realized she was doing it, either.
Stevo10, I’ll add to your post…
This is how this police encounter should have gone:
Crowley: Hello, I’m here to investigate a report that someone broke into this home. may I come in?
Gates: (speaking to the officer through the window) That’s okay, officer, I’m Henry Gates, I’m the owner of this home. I won’t be needing your services today.
** as the speaker is held at gunpoint by the unseen burglar
Crowley: Well, department policy requires me to verify your identity, could you show me some ID?
Gates: Well, I wonder if you could call my attorney ________ , he’ll be able to verify my identity. I’m quite busy. Am I under arrest?
** the attorney who isn’t onsite to verify your identity? That one? You know I’ll ask for his identity too, if he shows up.
Crowley: No, of course not, I’m sure I can handle this through your attorney, thank you.
** He’ll meet us at the station, right? To post your bail? Yeah, that’ll work.
Gates: You’re welcome. Have a nice day.
** probably the last thing Gates would ever consider saying to a cop, especially a white cop. The cop then gets thrown under the bus for not doing his job after Gates, the home invasion victim, is found dead in his residence a week later. The press will scream “White cops fail to their job, they didn’t force the issue because the victim was black…”
steveo10:
This is how this police encounter should have gone:
Crowley: Hello, I’m here to investigate a report that someone broke into this home. may I come in?
Gates: (speaking to the officer through the window) That’s okay, officer, I’m Henry Gates, I’m the owner of this home. I won’t be needing your services today.
Crowley: Well, department policy requires me to verify your identity, could you show me some ID?
Gates: Well, I wonder if you could call my attorney ________ , he’ll be able to verify my identity. I’m quite busy. Am I under arrest?
Crowley: No, of course not, I’m sure I can handle this through your attorney, thank you.
Gates: You’re welcome. Have a nice day.
I would fire any LEO who even thought about agreeing to something as above.
#1To the best of my knowledge, LEOs are not required to call anyones atty.
#2. Say one does play as your private secretary and calls a number, how does the LEO know for a fact that the person on the other end is an Atty?
#3. No Sir, your not under arrest, however I am conducting a complaint about a breakin at this address….. ID please.
Crowley had no back-up.
In the only picture I’ve seen of this, there are at least three police officers in the frame.
Anybody else find it bitterly amusing that it’s the guy who probably makes five times what the other makes doing the whitey-always-be-keepin-de-black-man-down schtick? And the black president joining in just compounds the irony.
#169 Achillea….You can add the black governor and mayor to your list.
Keeping it real, The Honorable James David Manning
YouTube Video if the Admin of this site allows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_aIvfFq3BA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvotingfemale%2Ewordpress%2Ecom%2F2009%2F07%2F24%2Fobama%2Dguilty%2Dof%2Drace%2Dbaiting%2Dfor%2Dpolitical%2Dgain%2Dsocialist%2Dvictimology%2Dhoned%2Dto%2Da%2Dra&feature=player_embedded
Even at Harvard, professors don’t necessarily make as much money as you might think. But I have it on good authority that Gates is well at the upper end of the scale. Five times what Sgt. Crowley makes is probably not too far off the mark.
And yes, it’s rather beyond absurd that Sgt. Crowley responds to a reported burglary of Gate’s house, goes there to make sure that his house isn’t being robbed, and ends up being supported by his black colleague against criticism from his black mayor, his black governor, and his half-black president. When classes resume, Gates will continue teaching about white privilege.
What’s wrong with this picture?
A.S.: Unless you are black, you must really hate yourself, race, ethnicity and gender. The way you make false assertions with such ease indicates a self loathing for being white.
Or are you a college student trying to feel like a man in front of your friends.
You are going way over the top with your defense of Gates and denigration of police officers, white Americans and by intimation America.
Grow up!!
Firefox does. If you’re too stupid to use the only real browser, that’s your deficit. Or are you afraid to take your MS (or Apple) training wheels off? Lemme guess. You’re using AOL.
It’s awesome how Gates says on CNN that he’s grateful to his neighbor for calling in what she deemed to be a break-in, saying that he should probably send her flowers. Especially considering that, according to the black officer at the scene, he had berated the police for listening to a white woman calling in something about a black man. Oh, I do hope they play whatever was recorded that day. Gates may want to consider halting his dig to China.
Scott 166
Scott is the primary reason why I talk to Leos through my door and only open the window of my car about 3 inches. If I encounter a Leo like Scott, I hand him or (throw it out the window of my home) a business card of a well known defense attorney in the area and tell the Leo to call him and tell the Leo to go get a warrant. I’ve never shown an ID to a Leo outside of driving my car. When they ask me for an ID, I give them the lawyers card and ask them if I’m free to go. Works every time. America didn’t turn their backs on Leo land, Leo land turned their backs on America. Ever wonder why Leos even bother to knock on the door of your home. Because they’d be busting down the door if they had a warrant.
It is not important that you actually have a lawyer. Just saying the word makes the Leo to start thinking:
1) I’m going to have to make up a better story than I’m just responding to The Magic Call because I know that the attorney knows how to look that up.
2) I won’t be able to lie on my probable cause affidavit because a lawyer is going to read it.
3) There are a lot of easier fish in the sea to intimidate than this citizen
4) Lawyers know about the (gasp, horror) Constitution
5) I think I’ll go get lunch.
#5 Vino – Translation for conservatives …
quack
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quack
quack … you get the drift
#18 LeeeRoy – Yes dipshit, don’t poke the snake!
#27 David Levavi – the “white middle class guy who moves in white middle class circles”
I’m sure many of us have been bit by the revenue traffic trap but blame the mayor and city council for that, not the cop. Other than that, just keep on moving in your circle, round & round you go!
#33 Paul – Sorry but renters don’t usually consider where they rent to be “their” neighborhood.” Probably doesn’t even know who his neighbors are.
So boorish behavior is an arresting offense now? If this Sgt. Crowley is so “professional” then why did his action precipitate this firestorm? A good cop doesn’t waste tax-payer time and his energy on such trivial sh*t. It was “stupid”! Well he certainly showed that annoying loudmouth, didn’t he? Who is the effete egotist again? The mouthy black man with influential friends or the cop giving him an object lesson in who has the bigger d*ck? Surprise, the man with the gun, badge and backup won. But he sure looked unprofessional doing it and his actions reflect on all cops. Just like Mr. Gate’s behavior reflects badly on all black Harvard professors but there are not so many of them. Plus exactly how much tax-payer money did Sgt. Crowley’s little fit of pique cost? Look at some actual footage of this LEO if you want to see a load of self-righteousness that equals that of Gates. These alpha-male egos don’t need class or racial issues to clash.
I do not believe that Mr. Gates was arrested due to any racial bias on Officer Crowley’s behalf. However, I do feel as if Mr. Gates was arrested for contempt of cop. The lesson to be taken from this incident is how police and citizens have lost the mutual respect required to speak to one another.
“Dana in NYC:
So boorish behavior is an arresting offense now? If this Sgt. Crowley is so “professional” then why did his action precipitate this firestorm? A good cop doesn’t waste tax-payer time and his energy on such trivial sh*t. It was “stupid”! Well he certainly showed that annoying loudmouth, didn’t he? Who is the effete egotist again? The mouthy black man with influential friends or the cop giving him an object lesson in who has the bigger d*ck? Surprise, the man with the gun, badge and backup won. But he sure looked unprofessional doing it and his actions reflect on all cops. Just like Mr. Gate’s behavior reflects badly on all black Harvard professors but there are not so many of them. Plus exactly how much tax-payer money did Sgt. Crowley’s little fit of pique cost? Look at some actual footage of this LEO if you want to see a load of self-righteousness that equals that of Gates. These alpha-male egos don’t need class or racial issues to clash.”
Maybe Gates should had done something constructive with his life… like become a LEO.
How much of the tax payers money is Gates costing the tax payers?…. lets see, I help pay the president to run the country, not step into affairs that are of no concern to him.
How much will these “beers” cost… lets see, we now have to provide security for the beer drinkers, no doubt the TAX PAYERS will pick up the tab for transportation to and from the saloon.
Someone will have to go purchase the beer, hmm thats on our tab too.
No doubt multiple press confrences will follow,, our tab for TV time…. yea
What video are you speaking of?
IMO, Gates has just costed the american taxpayers millions by getting his “friend” involved.
“So boorish behavior is an arresting offense now?”
Try this, go to Gates friends home,that would be the big white house, and scream insults about his friends mother, keep screaming even after the local LEO tells you to be quite.
No doubt be you black or white, be the LEO black or white,,, your going to go to jail.
Oh, please do not forget to play the race card.
Steveo10, I find your powers of knowledge simply amazing, knowing me like you must think you do. Pretty incredible, since you have no idea who I am or what I’ve done.
Well, I got a suprise for ya… in my career as a police officer (yes, I’m retired) I had not only an exceptional conviction rate, but also a very good raport with lawyers on both sides of the bar. I am known for my honesty and for being very constitutionalist thinking in process of doing my job. I spent the vast majority of my career working in neighborhoods you wouldn’t enter on a bet, and am well liked by both my peers and the people I served. My career was also clean of internal investigations.
The tactis you mentioned in your last post wouldn’t fly with any police officers I know; you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. And, like A S, your lack of knowledge and experience invalidates any comments you may have on the situation.
I hope that Sgt. Crowley does not go to the White House. What purpose would that serve other than that of a couple of racists. He should tell them to pound sand!
And as for the press and journalists, why do they always seem to use the adjective “Esteemed”, “Honored”, and other words before Professor Henry Louis Gates. He is a professor of African-American Studies for goodness sakes. Quit with the kowtow bit. He makes his living off the teat of parents of wealthy students or of subsidized black students and Harvards affirmative action goals. Just what are the goals of the dept. and how are they measured? What are the accomplishments? How is the cost of this dept. justified? Probably by white guilt and black activism is my guess.
And how will this play out when the press learns that it was Mr. Gates’ BLACK neighbor who called 911?
There is a difference between boorish behaviour and out-of-control behaviour. I work in an Emergency Room, and I get exposed to the former several times a night. Like most professionals, including most police officers, I take into account the circumstances and remain neutral, or even sympathetic, and most reasonable folks will eventually back off. When people are out of control — yelling/screaming, making threats, using intimidating body language (and yes, you can do that at 5’4″ as easily as at 6’0″) and the like, I bring in the security team. People who go that far can take the one small step from verbal abuse to physical at the drop of a hat, and even if you aren’t concerned for your own safety you have to be concerned for theirs. The reason a policeman will put someone who is raving into handcuffs is partly to protect himself, but just as much to protect the arrestee… once they turn physical, it is much more likely they will end up with something broken, dislocated or just end up dead. Of course, at that point it would be “oh, those awful cops, picking on the poor little black guy like that!”
When I was a young hippie, I was certainly the focus of many a police officer’s attention. I *always* remained polite and respectful for two reasons. One, the obvious, is the guy has a gun… if you are too stupid to figure that one out, you definitely shouldn’t be teaching kindergarten, let alone at a university. The other is that police officers are human beings, and I believe you are obligated to speak to all human beings with a certain level of respect — especially if they are risking their lives to protect your life, but even if they are just walking down the street ignoring you.
If you don’t believe this, you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
1) Let’s hear the tapes.
2) Accusations of racism from blacks no longer have any semblance of credibility with me. I’ve seen too many claim racism, rather than their own bad behavior, as the reason they received some penalty. BTW, I’ve seen much more racist behavior from blacks than I have from whites. 3) Obama’s comments were not just insulting to the Cambridge PD, but police officers in general. The police won’t forget this.
4) The people who voted for Obama are learning what those of us who studied him before the election already knew; he’s an anti-white racist himself and will do everything he can to forward that agenda.
5) It’s going to be interesting watching the remainder of this character’s time in office. We’ve never had a pair of gaffemeisters like Obama and Biden before. I suspect that together they will set records for the most malapropisms ever spoken in a presidential administration. Even with teleprompters they’re bad; without them they’re abysmal.
But he actually talked to President, and now gets to have a beer with him. That is so cool.
“When the verbal provocations escalated further and crossed the line into illegal conduct, I slapped the handcuffs on the man and hauled him down to the station house, without thought of the cost to the public for a completely pointless arrest that I knew would never reach court. I never thought about the impact my actions–or the actions of the thousands of police officers like me who waste the money and time of America’s citizens–would have on our ability to uphold the peace and maintain order. It never occured to me that with ever arrest on such charges as “resisting arrest” or “disorderly conduct”, that even if technically “legal”, serve no purpose, that the public loses confidence in the intent and training of police officers. I was happy to waste the time, money and good-will of the public so that I wouldn’t have to cry my insecurities to sleep that night.
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What is most frightening here is how many so-called conservatives and Republicans think that it’s ok to arrest a man in his own home and on his own property…for being rude.
‘Cause that’s what you’re saying, here.
“Jack Dunphy”? Remember your Oath. …or take the badge off and go home and allow better men to take your place…or does the Union allow that?
The actions of the cops in this case – and in many others like it – are indefensible in a free society and in a supposedly Constitutional Republic.
I wish you Leos and Leo sympathizers would please define “cooperative” and “Uncooperative” to me. I know that you have your own definitions for these terms, other than us poor street citizens.
Is uncooperative someone who doesn’t want to go into the showers because they think that it might be Zyclon-B gas or is uncooperative someone who just stares at you when you bark out questions and orders to them?
Is cooperative someone who wears a yellow star of David on their jacket and carries the proper papers for your inspection as you load them into the train car or is cooperative someone who has a limited IQ and you can intimidate that person at will?
I wish you could give us the correct definitions because we are not really sure what the heck you mean?
Oh, by the way Scott, Am I under arrest?
Bonesteel. That’s exactly right. The conversation going on here is nothing more than knight-stick worship. When it comes down to it, none of these people care about the constitution, despite their pearl-clutching fainting spells to the contrary.
I know Scott, I’ve heard your peoples’ speech before. I know that you follow orders or people die. I know you say that this world has walls and these walls have to be guarded by men with guns. I know that you say that you have a greater responsibility than I can fathom. I know that I don’t have the luxury of knowing what you know. I know that you think that I think that your existence while grotesque; what you do saves lives. I know that you think that I want you on that wall that I need you on that wall. I know that you don’t give a damn what I think that I’m entitled to. I know that you think that I can’t handle the truth because I’m just a poor street citizen, so they have to put you in charge. And I know that about 7000 Leos guarded? 2 million Jews at Auschwitz and they made the same speech. Arbeit Macht Frei.
Oh Anon, 181
your is the possessive and you’re is a conjunction for you are, your is used when you own something, like your gun, your pepper spray, your badge. When you say your going to jail, I think what you mean is you are or you’re going to jail. Most of us poor street folk learned that in 5th grade, maybe you were absent for that.
Oh, again, by the way, are you Anon because you don’t want to show your ID?
“steveo10:
Oh Anon, 181
your is the possessive and you’re is a conjunction for you are, your is used when you own something, like your gun, your pepper spray, your badge. When you say your going to jail, I think what you mean is you are or you’re going to jail. Most of us poor street folk learned that in 5th grade, maybe you were absent for that.
Oh, again, by the way, are you Anon because you don’t want to show your ID?”
Hi Steveo,
Thanks for pointing out my spelling error.
Please note that in the future if you are going to correct others, have your on post/ sentences structured in the proper fashion. You may also want to look into the proper use of words within your sentences.
For your ease, in your post, mean should had read meant.
I will not even attempt to correct your #190 post.
You appear to be like many on the internet, in the fact that if you can’t find flaw in what one states, then its time to find grammatical errors.
YOU SIR appear to be a racist GRAMMAR COP
Jul 27, 2009 – 1:27 pm
Am I under arrest for that?
LEOs:
What are the odds of additional taping besides the 911 call and the Crowley et al reports from the scene?
How likely his chest mike have been live and possibly recorded?
I really don’t know what you Leos would do if you were in charge of this call. Why don’t you tell us. Suppose Gates talked to Crowley through the window, (doors and windows are locked and told him to go away). Let’s say Gates said I’m not giving you any ID and I’m not coming out on to the porch and I am not giving you permission to come into my home. Please go away. What would you do? Have some courage, tell us what you would do?
The Cambridge police Union is UN-AMERICAN having “Lied” about Gates ‘yelling, etc’ yet the tapes proof the Truth, opposite of the Cambridge Police Union. Every police officer can make a mistake and be more respected to admit it than be the Coward like the Union to deny facts. Shame on the Cambridge Police Union who disgrace the badge again, thy are mice, not men. I’m glad I don’t live there any more.
DEMONSTRATED BAD BEHAVIOR
Have you ever seen the PBS program “African American Lives”? The basis of the show is to take prominent Black Americans, research their history in the US through origins in Africa and do DNA testing to discover their biological history. The show is very interesting and educational. It provides documented, extensive research on each person. The historical suspense captures the viewing audience’s attention. The narrator of the series is Harvard Scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. If you had not watch PBS, most Americans did not know who Gates was until 16 July 2009. Gates was returning to his home in Cambridge, MA after an extended absence. He had trouble getting the door to his home open and was spotted in the process of forcing the door. The police were called and before it was all over, the President of the United States had weighed in on the matter. There is a saying in law enforcement, “Don’t let your bulldog mouth overload your poodle dog rear end.” Everyday, people who could have resolved a contact with a police officer through rational conversation, very loudly and with demonstrated gestures, talk themselves into a short ride down to the police station. Lots of people do this regardless of their ethnic or racial background. This is called demonstrated bad behavior. If you talk “smack” to a cop, he is only going to put up with it for so long. Throw in the racial discrimination angle, and that cop will, out of professional self protection, back off and regroup, but again, for only so long. He knows that as soon as the discrimination card has been played, his end-of-shift paperwork has tripled. So he gives ground to the boisterous minority individual and calls for back-up, because the officer needs a witness. What is going on is learned bad behavior. Instead of addressing the law enforcement issue that the officer needs to discuss, the suspect verbally attacks the cop in hopes of redirecting the entire flow of the situation. History shows that more than one cop and more than one K-12 public school official has backed away from a situation, they clearly were in the right to address and control, just because the racial component was loudly injected into the discussion of alleged wrong doing. Being both a retired policeman and a former high school teacher I know from experience what I am talking about. Obfuscate and deflect from the original alleged issue and do so in hopes of attracting a crowd. People do not like confrontation, including the police. The problem for the obfuscator is the cops are trained to deal with confrontation and how to end it. Even if the confronting person does not want to back off and quit the heated discussion. As an old retired cop, even I do not like to be pulled over for a traffic stop. I know I have little or no control of the situation and here comes a young policeman who was in diapers when I was driving a squad car. There are only two options, deal with the officer in a respectful manner or be a horse’s behind and find you have talked yourself into the back seat of a police car. Yelling at authority figures that have control of a situation and interjecting race as a disclaimer for your failure to act appropriate is learned and then loudly demonstrated, bad behavior. This is what my students and their parents did to me when I taught high school. This is what Henry Gates did to Sgt James Crowley. The louder they got, in many cases my principal let the student and parent win the day. My principal just wanted the matter over and out of her office. Just make the situation disappear, until the next parent arrives in the office to defend her violating child. It is learned bad behavior and when the parent won, the child got a lesson in how this type of bad behavior might benefit him in the future. Then the student tries the same bad behavior at three in the morning on a back road, with a Mississippi cop. As he is sitting in a jail cell, he wonders why his mother’s tactic in a high school office did not work for him during a legitimate traffic stop. Bad behavior, even with the nicest, easiest going policeman, can and will get you cuffed and stuffed. Not “acted stupidly,” two words for you Henry Gates bad behavior, your bad behavior.
26 July 2009
Major Van Harl USAF Ret.
vanharl@aol.com
189. Warren Bonesteel wrote:
What is most frightening here is how many so-called conservatives and Republicans think that it’s ok to arrest a man in his own home and on his own property…for being rude.
Peter writes: What I find most frightening is how many so-called liberals (aka Libtards) and DemocRats seem to think people should be allowed to get away with committing crimes and breaking laws (you know, like the law against Disturbing the Peace) if the color of their skin is darker than the average caucasian.
190. steveo10 wrote:
I wish you Leos and Leo sympathizers would please define “cooperative” and “Uncooperative” to me. I know that you have your own definitions for these terms, other than us poor street citizens.
Peter writes: Hey Steveo, here is a perfect example of ‘uncooperative’;
When a police officer in the course of their normal duties asks to ascertain your idenity and make sure the home you are is not being burglerized, you respond with statements like “No, I will not!” “Why? Because I’m a Black Man in America!” and “I’ll talk to yo momma!”
Does that clarify things?
198. steveo10 wrote:
I really don’t know what you Leos would do if you were in charge of this call. Why don’t you tell us. Suppose Gates talked to Crowley through the window, (doors and windows are locked and told him to go away). Let’s say Gates said I’m not giving you any ID and I’m not coming out on to the porch and I am not giving you permission to come into my home. Please go away. What would you do? Have some courage, tell us what you would do?
Peter writes: While I myself am not a law enforcement officer, members of my family and my best friend are, so I feel confident in this answer. Any other LEOs on this thread, please feel free to correct anything I may get wrong.
If gates had done what you said, refused to open the door and talk with Sgt Crowley, in all likelyhood what would have occurred was the Sgt would call for additional back-up. (Back-up was already on the way, and in fact once Gates started yelling at the Sgt, Crowley called his station and informed them the back-up did not need to rush as he was confident he was ‘talking’ to the home’s owner.
Once back-up arrived, including a more senior supervisor then Crowley (likely a shift lieutenant), the senior supervisor would have called the shots, but given the circumstances, would likely have called it situation exigent circumstances and had the officers cover all exits and bust down the door, weaposn drawn, and take down and arrest whoever was inside the home. Identities would then be established either with the suspect(s) handcuffed in the squad cars or back at the station house.
In this situation, which even you steveo would have to admit is worse than what really happened and would likely have resulted in Gates being severly hurt as he is either knocked down physically or by taser, Gates would have scremed to high heaven about how racists the entire Cambridge police force was in busting into his home and dragging him out in handcuffs. And all the police chief would say to him would be “Well then why didn’t you simply answer the door and answer the officer’s questions? He was investigating a reported break-in and for all we knew, you were a criminal.”
199. Gordon wrote:
The Cambridge police Union is UN-AMERICAN having “Lied” about Gates ‘yelling, etc’ yet the tapes proof the Truth, opposite of the Cambridge Police Union. Every police officer can make a mistake and be more respected to admit it than be the Coward like the Union to deny facts. Shame on the Cambridge Police Union who disgrace the badge again, thy are mice, not men. I’m glad I don’t live there any more.
Peter writes: Dude, whatever you’re on, get off the dope! You’re hearing things, considering the only tape they’ve released so far is the initial 911 call.
I think Crowley is a Democrat.
Please, folks… you must stop being so critical of Dr. Gates. You see, he suffers from Affirmative Action Syndrome (AAS). AAS sufferers get very defensive and abusive when confronted with a situation where people might question whether they DESERVE to be in their position or not. Sufferers are typically Affirmative Action receipients who have a severe inferiority complex because they know in their hearts they haven’t earned their position. This applies double when confronted by police officers who DON’T KNOW WHO THEY ARE!
Black gentlemen who have truly earned their positions and are comfortable with themselves, don’t behave this way. Take Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and Clarence Thomas for example.
Thank you.
Beauxdog
I served 30 years on a Police Dept. for a city in California, and have been retired for 15 years. I was never repimanded for any racial incident and yet I served during the 1960′s when racial tensions were extremely bad.
I was requested to apologize to somebody who accused me of saying and doing something which
were lies. I told my supervisor that I had done nothing wrong, that the subject was lying, and I refused to apologize.
Please, Sgt Crowly, don’t apologize to Mr Gates
and do not have a beer with those clowns. They are simply trying to make their selfs look good
and make it look like they forgive you! You have done nothing wrong.
Sgt Crowley,
Please do not apologize. That would mean that you did something wrong. You didn’t do anything wrong.
If you have a beer with those two, it will look like they have forgiven you. You have done nothing to be forgiven for. Don’t do it!
Ok people, everyone was wrong, Gates is related to Crowley. It must of been a family argument.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8195564&page=1
Excellent article, note perfect in my opinion. On a sidenote, the level of tension between law enforcement officers and the general public has grown exponentially in my lifetime. It is a necesarry response to the increasingly dangerous society we live in. There are no routine situations. Every interaction with the public is fraught with potential peril. Until the threat level is thoroughly evaluated by an officer, a citizen like me feels they are being treated like a criminal, possible disrespected because they aren’t being given the benefit of the doubt that they are actually a good, harmless citizen. Enter the opportunity for all manner of subjective interpretation.
In many black areas police tend to ignore them because any efforts to enforce the law is met with extremes of resistance and problems such as mr gates presented. Any seasoned officer will just work his cross word puzzle and respond to calls. I agree,I also lived in a black are for 15 years. They place was not a fountain of wisdom or common sense, just a hell hole of black making.
If a patrol car were to cruise my area they stand a good chance of being pelted with assorted objects sooner or later.
Officers are prevented from manhandling a suspect that resist and blacks seem to feel it is their job to fight tooth and nail so a herd of officers end up trying to subdue one suspect, when if just one officer would pop the resisting thug with his club each time they resist this kind of stunt would soon cease to exist.
The fun part, the blacks are just working the system set up by the whiny libs. If no one tolerated their antics it would soon cease.
Let us not forget the other innocent victim of this racially motivated attack.
Mrs.Whalen
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=14808410&ch=4226713&src=news
Gates & his ilk are the very reason why race relations in this country will always be strained. There is one undeniable truth that permiates throughout, not only the Black community, but all minority communities, that being the victim…works! Today, if a caucasion even so much as disagrees with a person of color, they are accused of being racist. In the twisted mind of the agrieved minority, it is inconcievable that someone could actually have a legitimate disagreement. “Racism”, is perhaps the most abused word in the english language. Was Sharpton or Jackson ever accused of racism whenever they castigated President Bush? Never. To those who would use the race card in much the same manner as this scum bag from cambridge. Go to hell. It is you that are racist, not Sgt Crowley and not me. You don’t like what I say? You’re entitled. That does’nt make you racist, it simply means we disagree. Gates showed no class in this classic “boy cries wolf” scenario, and crying to his friend in the oval office showes just how little a man he really is. As for Sgt Crowley, were I in his shoes, I would’nt give these two losers the time of day. Budwiser could’nt brew enough beer to get me that drunk.
Apologies Not Expected at Beer Gate
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090730/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_harvard_scholar
Obama wants it to be a photo op.
Reporters not allowed.
BROKEN U.S. POLICE CULTURE AND LACK OF POLICE TEMPERAMENT EXPLAIN THE INFAMOUS GATES-CROWLEY ENCOUNTER
********By Dr. Christopher C. Cooper, COPYRIGHT © JULY 28, 2009*******
I learned fast as a cop that the catchall arrest is called Disorderly Conduct. When a citizen dares to disagree with an officer—he or she goes to jail. Astonishingly, the prosecutor and the judge and the whole criminal justice system accept the officer’s false account of events and probable cause. And, it happens again and again, but perhaps not anymore—maybe now with less frequency because of an encounter between a small-city cop and a renowned university professor, Sergeant Crowley and Dr. Henry Louis Gates. Now the way has been paved, for the first time in U.S. history, for Americans to address the problem of a U.S. police culture that holds that arrest and harm should come to a citizen who dares question the authority of a police officer.
I worked in a police precinct\district in which some officers, in an effort keep a citizen from knowing their identity, would intentionally punch out one or more of the numbers of their badges, alternatively they would destroy their department issued name tags. This, like the turning backwards of the marked police hat, was commonplace when the objective was to be unaccountable. So, it goes without saying that in 2009, to ask many police officers for a name and badge number is dangerous. Indeed, the citizen will ultimately get the badge number and name, but on their arrest report. There lies problem.
The Gates Crowley encounter illuminates that ours is a country in which the slightest disagreement with a police officer can have tragic results for the citizen. Any knowledgeable cop can tell you that Dr. Gates was moments away from being tasered or shot. And, that but for Henry Louis Gates’ friendship with the president of the U.S., he would have been just another statistic. Take 15-year old Dewey Elder, he was white and stood 5-foot-6 and weighed about 140 pounds. The handcuffed boy disagreed with three Bay City Michigan Police officers—a shouting match ensued. The boy surrounded by the three burly male officers was tasered and died. There is no shortage of documented, credible accounts of the elderly and even children tasered or pepper sprayed by the police for disagreeing with a police officer. In American police work, the Taser, Pepper Spray, and dark sunglasses have replaced courage and professionalism.
Henry Gates did join the hundreds of thousands taken to jail and their only action was that they argued or disagreed with a policeman. I credit my training as a United States Marine (Infantry) for embellishing my courage and teaching me temperament. Many of my colleagues in blue have never been to the military, rather choose to live out their military aspirations in your residential neighborhood—as evinced by police officers clad in fatigues and that they look and act less like the police by like soldiers in combat— and you are the enemy.
The job of a police officer demands excellent social and oratory skills merged with courage and most important temperament encapsulated in a problem solving paradigm. The right temperament for a police officer is the skill base to de-escalate a situation without violence, and professionalism marked by thick skin to withstand the names sometimes hurled at them. The larger problem solving component is personified by a skill set that enables officers to realize that people they encounter get angry. They are usually angry by time we get there, and the anger is usually not directed at us. When in a crisis people become emotional and sadly, many police officers wrongly interpret the conduct as aggression. It is anguishing to watch an officer haul a mother of a teenage homicide victim to jail because she won’t stop screaming—yelling out: “Jesus.” If the officer just takes a moment and allows a person to blow off steam, often, that is all that is needed. But Officer Crowley, accompanied by another male officer, chose to call for back-up—this act (evinced by the police dispatch recordings released to the public), was significant. It escalated the encounter with Dr. Gates along with [now] allowing for us to ask significant questions about Officer Crowley’s physical ability—Gates is a 65 year old petite man who walks with a cane. Police officers should be physically fit.
When we as a society fail to demand that applicant processes for a police officer’s screen out men and women with uninspiring temperament and inept conflict resolution skills, we get what we perhaps, deserve: the sunglasses wearing cop with the short fuse and not an ounce of social skill.
The character of policing should change on the heels of the Cambridge, Mass incident . Police academies need new curricula that emphasize problem solving and people skills. Moreover, this is a chance for politicians to legislate out impediments to positive police-citizen social interaction, such as the mirrored sunglasses and exterior bullet proof vests by example, and that the same legislators implement a rule of law that requires a police officer to reveal his\her name and badge number. That same legislation should bear criminal penalties for the officer who refuses to provide a badge and name. There is no such crime as “Contempt of Cop.”
Dr. Christopher C. Cooper, Ph.D., Criminologist; Attorney at Law (Civil Rights)
National Black Police Association, Washington DC http://www.blackpolice.org
Former Washington DC Police Officer and United States Marine
1987 Graduate: John Jay College of Criminal Justice, Mediation & Conflict Resolution Prog. (New York City)
cooperlaw3234@gmail.com
“I worked in a police precinct\district in which some officers, in an effort keep a citizen from knowing their identity, would intentionally punch out one or more of the numbers of their badges, alternatively they would destroy their department issued name tags.”
This should had been brought to the attention of someone with authority.
“Gates is a 65 year old petite man who walks with a cane. Police officers should be physically fit.”
Yes no doubt someone that walks with a cane CAN NOT achieve the 3or 4 lbs of force needed to pull a trigger.
“The character of policing should change on the heels of the Cambridge, Mass incident .”
We can all pray that it does, however, many people still think they are above the law due to political connections or skin color. Some groups of people even condone the killing of police officers thru song and dance.
Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYHfRQ6Nn1c&feature=related
There is also the responsibility of those in Washington. Did you know that not to long ago a racist group called the New Black Panthers was allowed to advertise on Baracks site? Did you know that some of the members of this group stood out in front of a polling place to intimidate voters. Did you know, that they had their ass locked up, and then Baracks administration dismissed all charges against these guys?
It is a sad state of affairs, when such an Administration bows down to racism, and allows it to take place. Rainbow Push, NAACP, etc should write in and see if they can’t have these charges re-instated.
Sgt.Cooper I just noticed the name of the organization you linked to.
“Black” Police . org
This is a perfect example of why racism exist in this great country.
LEOs should stick together as one, and not purposefuly segregate themselfs.
Civil Rights leaders fought for decades to abolish segregation.
The very name of this org is a direct insult to what the Honorable Martin Luther King and other civil rights leaders fought to abolish.
Placing a label such as black, white, green, yellow, red, is in itself racial profiling.
A better name for this organization may had been:
The American Police Org.
The United Police Org.
Judging by the Gates/Crowley incident, apparently there really is no such thing as the crime of “false arrest”, in reality police can break into your house anytime without a search warrant, and they can retaliate against you if you disagree, simply by claiming you were “disorderly”.
But what’s even more interesting is how many people seem to vigorously support this arrangement. Amazing what some folks will give up to feel “secure”….
“Mateo:
Judging by the Gates/Crowley incident, apparently there really is no such thing as the crime of “false arrest”, in reality police can break into your house anytime without a search warrant, and they can retaliate against you if you disagree, simply by claiming you were “disorderly”.
But what’s even more interesting is how many people seem to vigorously support this arrangement. Amazing what some folks will give up to feel “secure”….”
Do you have examples of this?
“Mateo:
Judging by the Gates/Crowley incident, apparently there really is no such thing as the crime of “false arrest”, in reality police can break into your house anytime without a search warrant, and they can retaliate against you if you disagree, simply by claiming you were “disorderly”.
But what’s even more interesting is how many people seem to vigorously support this arrangement. Amazing what some folks will give up to feel “secure”….”
At what point did Mr.Crowley “Break In”?
We need to continue in our support of Sgt. James Crowley. Just for doing his job he and his family have become part of a national conversation and a media blitz. We need to pray for this family and send Sgt. Crowley cards and letters of appreciation and support. Send to: Sgt. James Crowley, Cambridge Police Department, 125 Sixth Street, Cambridge, MA 02142-1009. My letter of appreciation for his work and support of his community is going in the mailbox this afternoon. We need more people like him “to protect and to serve.”
Lashleys Letter To Crowley
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/20230991/detail.html
I can only wonder if the black police org supports Mr.Lashleys thoughts.
I came across your blog when I googled “fourth amendment…”. I did not expect to find a site with a LEO slant on how to violate the FA. Wow break down the door and guns ablazing if Gates refuses to open the door and show his ID. What part of the FA do you people not understand. To execute a warrantless serach or arrest there must be probable cause AND exigent circumstances. Please explain the PC and EX. Oh I know a black man standing hehind the glass door and there maybe another black man lurking inside!!. Wow good police work.
BTW we now have good reason to doubt Crowley’s police report. He was not aware of the race of the suspect he was not even sure that a BE had taken place or was in progress just the possibility. Right???
Old Saying: If the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer. Everything you see is a nail. What was Profressor Gate’s tool?
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