Settling the Birther Controversy
For some time now, even before his assumption of the presidency, the subject of Barack Obama’s origins has been a vexed and tenacious issue, with no sign as yet of diminishing. Is he a “natural born citizen,” as per Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, the criterion of eligibility for the office of president? Was he born in Hawaii or Kenya or possibly in both places at the same time? Or is there, as potential 2012 presidential candidate Donald Trump speculates, “something on Obama’s birth certificate he doesn’t like”? Is there no dispositive evidence anywhere to be found that would give closure to the rumpus once and for all? Only one thing is certain: there is no denying the exceptionalism of Obama’s nativity.
“There are those who,” to use a favorite locution of the president, claim that the documents he has released to confirm his place of birth are incomplete and unpersuasive. These so-called “birthers” contend that, in the absence of a “long form” birth certificate replete with precise details regarding the name of the hospital, attending physician, and such-like, the president’s credentials are suspect. Others are content that a short-form “certificate of live birth,” two newspaper announcements, and state attestation are more than enough to settle the issue regarding the president’s authenticity and good faith. This is the argument of diverse reverend elders regularly trumpeted from the towering summit of Mount Media to a rabble of dubious and ungrateful nullifidians.
For example, in the Introduction to Our Choice, the redoubtable Al Gore points out that “the governor of Hawaii … personally examined and publicly verified the official certificate” and that the libraries of Hawaii “provided copies of contemporaneous birth announcements in two Honolulu newspapers.” Gore then dismisses the affair as an “odd faux controversy [that] is hardly worth mentioning,” and many will agree. But many remain unconvinced. After all, Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie, who promised to release the original document, now concedes that state privacy laws forbid him do so, and a personal affidavit from a government official and two newspaper notices do not constitute an actual birth certificate. They are merely bulletins whose provenance is not definitive and which serve as distractions from the real issue rather than incontrovertible proof of a blessed genesis. These bothersome birthers also point out that the list of presidential birthplace addresses omits only one, that of the current occupant of the White House. As a result, the debate continues to rage.
Thus Trump remains highly skeptical, believing there is something very curious about the whole affair, as does Rush Limbaugh. This is perhaps to be expected, but then even President Obama’s ardent disciple, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, asks where’s the harm in making the cryptic document public. Of course, people like Limbaugh and especially Trump, since he harbors presidential aspirations, will be mocked by the mainstream punditariat (though Matthews, obviously, gets a free pass). David Frum at Frum’s Forum thinks Trump may be “crazy” and Time’s Joe Klein feels “he…just…can’t…help… himself.” The problem is that ridicule is not an argument. Indeed, the problem is that the problem won’t go away.
Your smartassery is good for a mild chuckle,Dave…kind of reminds me of the Art Buchwald columns I used to read as a kid…..his satire would really crack me up…until I was about 14 and started taking a serious interest in real world politics…then his columns sort of lost their charm to me because they never addressed any actual issues with anything other than snark and smirk..so don’t expect to get a lot of compliments on this column since you are obviously trying to show everyone how pleased you are with your wry wit
I posted this on the other thread.
The first “birther” was a Pennsylvania Democrat who had been a state Deputy Attorney General.
I have a question.
Are the right wing hacks spreading high dudgeon about the birth certificate doing this for easy points with their left wing hack friends?
I guess left wingers are smarter than right wingers because when left wingers feel their is something wrong on their side they hide it with high dudgeon and prissy-ness because they know something is wrong. The right wing hacks cannot detect this action as revealing a weakness, so they join in with some kind of urbane class solidarity whats-it.
Simple story, Obama has only revealed an abstract of the original birth certificate. Therefore, something is amiss. Left wing hacks understand and sense this and go into cover mode, as they did with the swift boaters and Kerry’s refusal to reveal records. Right wing hacks, like this one, supply the left wing hacks with comfort.
RIGHT ON!!~
GO AWAY DAVID
I do not know if Obama was born in Honolulu or not, but any public figure who spends over $2 million in legal fees locking up every last iota of information about himself, who then refuses to discuss why he is dogedly hiding the information, and who then assigns armies of people to attack and ridicule anybody who suspects that something funny is going on, is hiding something. And possibly hiding a great many things.
Holy cow, even children can instantly see this obvious fact.
Wil, you have a very good point. I’m not jumping on the Birth-er Wagon but it does make one wonder why Obama goes to such lengths to cover up his past. I would think that your past is part of your life’s resume that you build your reputation on. With that said can Obama’s past be so controversial that he himself is ashamed of?
>>I’m not jumping on the Birth-er Wagon but it does make one wonder why Obama goes to such lengths to cover up his past. <<
Facy433, Your probably a nice person, but this sentence is a prime example of what's wrong with our citizenry. You acknowledge you see smoke, but you still won't concede there's something wrong. In other words, you have "fence-post" syndrome.
Just remember 98% truth is still a lie. Be bold and expose evil. Quit worrying about what other people think. Your character depends on it.
Just exactly what “lengths” has President Obama gone to? It is yet another lie to declare President Obama has spent over $2 million fighting to keep the document private. While President Obama does retain legal counsel, as all Presidents do, I concede that he probably has made a phone call or two to research the matter, but it is a viscious lie to say that $2 million has been used to “coverup” the conspiracy. lol
When are all of you going to realise that the legal description of a “natural born citizen” was established in the 1750s in a book titled “Laws of Nations” by de Vattel. That definition is a person with both parents citizens at time of birth. The real birth cirtificate is required in a court of law to start the case so hiding the real one stops the initiation of action.
oh no.. I lost some minutes of my life reading this :/
Agree – and can NEVER get those minutes back…..
Agree – and can NEVER get those minutes back….
I too agree. David is not helping his readership.
WELL, I WON’T BE bothering to read his posts any more
Say it again X. Can’t be more true.
Yes…time completely wasted.
Yes, and when I read tripe like this I come dangerously close to removing PJM from my bookmarks and cancelling my subscription. Solway, can’t you find something more intelligent to write about?
Hey, by any chance you were using Michael Ledeen’s ouija board?
And if so can you explain how the CIA rose to such a high plain?
You nailed it, Mr. Solway.
Very droll.
The question does remain, though, regardless of the Art Buchwaldian slant on the issue. Similar to the journalist who fails to reveal his/her sources and is jailed for contempt, so, too, does Obama hold the key to the cell door.
Doesn’t it strike anyone as very suspicious that he could just show the birth certificate and resolve the controversy, but refuses to do so? Even mere candidates have been required to show their certificates, but somehow Obama is exempt from full disclosure?
None of the “explanations” given rise to the level of proof. Back in the day, it was very easy to assume another identity. One could pose as a mother requesting a certification of live birth. First, identify a baby who died in infancy (has anyone checked DEATH records in Hawaii?). Then request a “certification of live birth” from the appropriate jurisdiction. That document will allow the mother to then obtain other identity documents. It could, back then, be obtained easily. All that document does, though, is attest that a baby was born with that particular name. It may be obtained many years after the DOB.
Recent improvements to public policy and procedure have precluded that sort of identity theft, but back then, it was quite common.
DavidMac – My thoughts exactly.
For your answer, see my recent comment
Since when are wax dummies ‘born’?
Never mind the Soros-paid nattering nabobs, Mr. Solway. The left cannot stand mockery, and if you’re not getting flack then you’re probably not over the target.
I don’t doubt Obama was born in Hawaii. But I really would like to know why he has fought so long and hard about releasing the long-form birth certificate.
The long form #16 askes: Birthplace: Island, State, or Foreign Country
Short form: no such question. And no the long form does not ask for anyone’s religion.
http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/longform.jpg (long form) and a copy of his short form is easy to google.
And that is the burning question to so many….all very ODD one would think…..but no matter….this community organizer achieved the highest office in the land without ever having or holding a real job.
Trump is great – but most will NEVER take him seriously and he will NOT get the GOP nomination – so what then, Independent ?? Well, just hand the 2nd term over to NOBAMA right now then. To divide the vote between I’s and R’s would be a travesty. Don’t get me wrong – I think Trump is GREAT – and hope he keeps the fire in his belly going about the B.C. issue. But, President – too much baggage and certainly not Presidential material in the eyes of the numb-nuts who seem to go vote without knowing much of anything. Too bad – but we are getting what we asked for….yeah! that’s right….many Republicans crossed over and voted for this egomanic guy – so full of himself! To think that we have to supply him with pensions, secret service, etc. even when he is finally out of OUR WHITEHOUSE just makes me puke in my mouth a bit.
for your answer, see my most recent comment
It’s quite simple, there’s something(s) to hide, and the question is what? If he really was born in Hawaii then maybe the long form shows his father was a Kenyan born British subject and his mother was too young at the time to transfer citizenship to him which would mean he’s really not eligible to be the president. At any rate I would hope the next administration dose a full criminal investigation on the Obama administration and especially the DOJ.
Mr. SOlway:
“I have it on unimpeachable authority that, shortly after he came into the world, the future president was discovered floating in an ark of bulrushes, daubed in slime and pitch, along the banks of a river whose name, regrettably, was garbled in the transmission from my source. (A loud peal of thunder deafened me for a moment.) Apparently, the woman who is honored as his mother had gone down to the river to bathe and, when she saw the little ark tangled in the reeds, opened it, beheld the infant, and immediately took compassion on him.”
Yes that must be the case…discovered in the reeds along the banks of a river.
I feel at this point that it should be pointed out that in another case very much like this one quite long ago, it would have much behooved the government in power at that time to perform its due dilligence in ascertaining this other chap’s eligibility for political office before they decided to advance him to high office.
Doing so would have foreseeably saved them quite a spot of ensuing bother, yes?
The dullard underclass proletariat of the day followed the other fellow because as a renegade prince, he had a certain gravitas and street cred.
But had he been a mud-footed brickmaker agitating while on strike from the pyramid factory, he’d have been thoroughly flogged and then promptly forgotten and ignored…much like Michael Dukakis or that Gary Har(pence) stooge.
This may seem a harsh and uncompassionate policy stance, but when weighed in the balance against plagues, rains of frogs and locusts, and the deaths of our first-born, not to mention a chain of political, economic and military blunders so egregious that thousands of years later, the whole affair would be the subject of a major motion picture starring Charlton Heston, Yul Brynner and Edward G. Robinson, I think that being a bit anal about the certification documents is rather appropriate.
But did he ever kill an Egyptian, er Hawaiian, overseer?
Do you ever visit the Hillbuzz site?
No; should I?
Hillbuzz, (Gay Chicago Hillary Clinton partisan site) has reported gossip about young black homosexuals who were affiliated with Rev, Wright’s Trinity Church turning up “shot in the head, execution style” in the months leading up to Obama’s campaign kick-off.
The implication being that these lads were part of the crew at Chicago area gay clubs that it is alleged Obama and Rahm were rumored to frequent for “downlow highjinks”.
I make no judgement either way about what they report, but am simply pointing to their copy.
Priceless!
Part of a pattern to hide and repress all personal information about Obama. We don’t get to see the birth certificate, the college grades, the law firm records, or any other first hand information.
I can speculate the why of it – poor grades, zero accomplishments in his career, perhaps some question of his parentage or birthplace on the real certificate. I think it is all indicative of a thin-skinned / fragile individual who has no real-world accomplishments to offset any mistakes.
But I cannot understand why the media tolerates that kind of avoidance.
But I cannot understand why the media tolerates that kind of avoidance.
Actually, I’m not remotely surprised that the media tolerates Obama’s evasions about his past. They clearly saw him as the Second Coming in 2008 and, as such, far above any petty questions about documentation.
What astounds me is that the process by which Presidential candidates are vetted has remained virtually undiscussed by anyone, even the “birthers”. Surely it must be someone’s job to verify the eligibility of the presidential candidates and there must be laws and procedures governing the process but I have yet to see a single article that describes that process.
It seems entirely possible that the rules of eligibility find the COLB to be adequate, in which case Obama is technically eligible to be President. Given the various remarks about how easy it is to get a COLB and the fact that it omits certain key information may mean that the COLB should not be used for verification of eligibility. Perhaps Obama IS eligible under the terms of the laws that in effect at this time and only the list of documents that prove eligibility has to be altered.
Then again, maybe the person whose job it was to verify Obama’s eligibility was unfamiliar with the rules and accepted the COLB when it was not even allowed for under the rules. In that case, that person made a grievous error and should be appropriately disciplined for that under the rules governing employee misbehaviour. Then, Obama’s documentation should be reviewed again by a competent employee and if found to be inadequate, Obama should be removed from office since he never qualified in the first place.
I raised the question of whose job it was to verify candidate qualifications and was told that it was the job of the Speaker of the House, which was Nancy Pelosi at the time of the 2008 federal election. Can anyone confirm that it was indeed the responsibility of the Speaker? I find it surprising that an elected politician had the job of verifying the qualifications of a political candidate. That situation would seem to scream “conflict of interest”. It would make far more sense to me if the job of verifying presidential qualifications was the job of a (relatively) politically-neutral person like the head Justice of the Supreme Court or the top bureaucrat in the federal government, i.e. someone who was not a candidate for office themselves and was more-or-less unbeholden to others for their job (or at least equally beholden to both of the major parties).
Well, if you’ll recall the actual suit regarding his place of birth was brought by a Hillary supporter, a lawyer named Philip Berg. His initial pleading asked that Obama be disqualified prior to the democrat’s national convention.
The courts held that private citizens did not have standing to sue to contest whether a candidate was qualified.If I remember correctly they said it was up to the Federal Elections Commission to determine eligibility.
Bravo!……and it’s about time someone said this amongst all of the tripe that’s been posted on all of these stall-walls.
…”What astounds me is that the process by which Presidential candidates are vetted has remained virtually undiscussed by anyone, even the “birthers”. Surely it must be someone’s job to verify the eligibility of the presidential candidates and there must be laws and procedures governing the process but I have yet to see a single article that describes that process. ”
Doesn’t the Secret Service do some sort of Security Clearance search or something before this election process even gets started?
I know, I know, there’s nothing so far disclosed to dispell the aura of any birth certificate fraud; but surely, if there’s no room for doubt, then the Secret Service or somesuch outfit should put all of this to rest….in the absence of just that, we’ll continue this strange discussion.
These days, more important than his birth certificate, I want to see his grade in Economics 101!
Raising taxes while our economy is in such a weakened state, recession, perhaps on its way to ‘double-dip recession’, with simultaneous massive spending, bailout banking buck$ going out to foreign companies (in foreign lands), a $2 billion loan to Brazil so maybe we can buy some oil from them when they’re extraction oil from Gulf of Mexico where we’re prohibited from doing any oil exploration, defies all logic in this household!
It matters not what his grade in Econ 101 was. I’m sure he took Econ 101 in order to learn what NOT to do for a successful economy – just like he became an “expert” in the U.S. Constitution – so he knows how to subvert it, not administer it. He knows how to fix our economy. He doesn’t want to fix it. His agenda is to take down capitalism in America. Let’s stop giving him a pass for his poor decisions on the economy being because he’s econ ignorant. When it comes to HOW to trash America’s economy, he’s brilliant and he knows what he’s doing.
It would be funny if it were not true that both sides take it seriously;
Millions of dollars have been spent in fighting this war of words; why ?
To me his birth facts are less important than his other “secrets”, especially school records. Don’t you have the curiosity to know why they are closed? What were his grades? Is he a true intellectual like the media has dubbed him? Who payed for his education? Affirmative Action or George Soros? What was his curriculum? What were his electives – Life of George Washington or Life of Lenin? It’s my curiosity about such things that keeps me from being a “useful idiot” to the powers that be.
I also am curious, but do not expect to be surprised;
All one has to do is watch his campaign speeches, and
his subsequent behavior, to realize he is somebody’s
hand puppet – Doesn’t really matter whose.
Well, my own opinion is that Obama is so deficient in so many ways that the matter of his birthplace is quite beside the point. There is a multitude of better reasons why he should not be president.
The river of which Mr. Solway speaks is the Nile – the same that bore Moses to Pharaoh’s daughter:
From WikiAnswers: “Kenya question: Does the Nile River run through Kenya? The Nile actually theoretically starts in the Kenyan Highlands where a number of tributaries drain”
Who said Mr. Solway was expressing a humorous thought?! He spoke the truth!
Thank you Mr. Solway for an excellent article. The “documentation issue” is a very tangible one that anyone can understand because we American citizens are asked to produce identification, including things like long-form birth certificates, all the time and know what sort of problems we would have if we dodged such requests in our lives.
We must now move Obama from his lofty “above-the-fray” PASSIVE position to an ACTIVE one and be held accountable thus in ’12 (regarding ALL issues), e.g., regarding eligibility up till now Team Obama has put the onus of active role on those questioning his invisible paper trail and have made the conclusion that they think such because they’re a bunch of hate-filled haters. Here’s a simple way to move him to ACTIVE position on this:
“Mr. President, are you refusing to release your records because you have something to hide or are you intentionally ginning up curiosity so that you can gain political traction by labeling anyone who wonders about your deliberately concealed past as an ignorant racist?”
(We must thank Donald Trump for starting this procedure in a grand way in the public forum.)
This boxes him into a lose-lose situation regarding this. Up till now he has gained a lot of political clout by making one of these possiblities “the only people who question my eligibility are ignorant hate-filled racists and one way you can distance yourself from that horrid rabble is to vote for me and support my policies. You can even put an Obama bumper sticker on your car whose meta-message is ‘I’M NOT A RACIST!’ (and tell yo’ mama to vote for Obama!).”
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Slightly off topic: Obama’s half-Sister Maya Soetoro-Ng, who’s apparently published a new book, was all over the news a couple of days ago practically demanding that all discussion on this topic cease immediately. I am certain that during the ’08 campaign the proto-”birthers” released on the internet copies of her short form Hawaiian COLB. Does anyone else remember this? I ask because it is an accepted fact that she was born in Jakarta, Indonesia and Stanley Anne obtained the Hawaiian COLB years later. This is a very important fact because it illustrates just how flimsy a Hawaiian COLB is in a claim for native-born citizenship.
Secondly, does anyone else think that al-Bama half-sister Maya is doing this press tour in order to get everyone used to the name SOETORO? Maybe something’s coming down the pike (e.g., paper responses to eligibility laws now being passed by Oklahoma and Arizona)???
WWII is over, why do we need Hawaii anymore? Give it back to the Sandwich Islanders. This whole mess would have been over if Hawaii had any constitutional intelligence. But the government is just a part of the tourist trade and not a real organization, like the Mayor of the Rose Parade.
After publishing the original certificate, let’s have some interviews with real people, not vetriloquist dummies, that actually remember him at Columbia, Harvard, high school and grade school — and what was he doing with Frank Marshall Davis as a teenager?
It’s only natural that a teenage boy would want to spend time with his father.
And the little reed jockey grew up to be…stone conservative Charlton Heston.
But now we understand why cowboy poet Harry Reid insists on the government paying for some abortions. If free abortions were available along the Nile, perhaps the National Rifle Association wouldn’t be what it is today.
http://www.google.com/search?q=charlton+heston&rlz=1I7RNWN_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7
Check the math, check the dates and see for yourself:
Barry Sotero Hussein Obama is the implanted alien love-child of Betty and Barney Hill.
Not sure why everyone’s in a fit about this. He was born to an American mother. Seems to me it wouldn’t matter where because he would be able to claim citizenship through her. Can anyone tell me why this argument does not obtain?
…. because the Constitution says that to be eligible, you must be a “Natural Born” citizen, meaning BOTH parents must be citizens, and Øbama’s father was Kenyan, and a British citizen.
AND born on US soil.
BTW:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/15/arizona-legislature-oks-presidential-birther/
and more (in about ten more States, out of the 57) are coming.
“Constitutional provisions
Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:
“ No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. ”
The grandfather provision of the “natural born Citizen” clause provided an exception to the “natural born” requirement for those persons who were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. (The first several Presidents prior to Martin van Buren as well as potential Presidential candidates such as Alexander Hamilton were born as British subjects in British America before the American Revolution and this grandfather clause would cover them.)[1]”
from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Born_Citizen_Clause
As you can see, the problem is not that he’s not a citizen, but rather that there is reasonable doubt that he was born on US soil.
There are other questions about whther his mother qualified to bestow her citizenship upon him,(given that his presumed father was Kenyan), whether he assumed Indonesian citizenship when he was adopted by Lolo Soetero. etc.. but in my view, a lot of these are red-herrings and speculations that detract from the fundamental point.
The fundamental issue is that the person known as Barack Obama Jr. refuses to release his original Certificate(<—this word is important!) of Live Birth.
The COLB, as opposed to what he released, the computer-generated Certification(<—see that? Not the same thing AT ALL, although we are TOLD to believe it is on penalty of being dismissed and ridiculed as "Birthers"),of Live Birth would indicate details about his claimed Hawaiian birth…like which hospital, (he has claimed two Kailoiani sp? and Queen's), and which physician or midwife attended the birth.
Absent from the constitution are the words, “the people shall have private and public access to and for the purposes of inspection, the documents of citizenship…..” The constitution leaves to the proper authorities of the government and a candidate to establish the validity of ones citizenship. Furthermore, the governments of this country have long held laws protecting the privacy of personal documents such as ones birth certificates, even live birth certificates, medical redcords, education records, etc.
The federal government has in place certain legal procedures to access and validate theses types of documents for cause, while still preserving the tenents of the law….and rest assurd they have done so in the case at hand.
The worst that anybody is going to find is that Obama lied on official documents, for personal gain, relative to a certain portion of his education. Politicians have a long history of lying on official documents for face saving cover and other personal gains so, nothing is new in that regard.
Now on to a more important topic! Have you ever sexed aligators so you know how to handle them with proper gender etiquette? Just curious as that is an expertise of real cajun swamp fellers and I’d like to know how its done.
Anon:
“Absent from the constitution are the words, “the people shall have private and public access to and for the purposes of inspection, the documents of citizenship…..” The constitution leaves to the proper authorities of the government and a candidate to establish the validity of ones citizenship.”
You’ve never heard of the Tenth Amendment?
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
Now, implicit in the Eligibility Clause of Article II, that the President should be “natural born”, is the Power of the Fed to ride right over Hawaii’s “Privacy Laws” in ascertaining the candidate’s eligibility.
I would say that manifestly, the Fed has balked at using this implied power, (so far). So now we have the states taking up the cudgel. Whether the Feds try to prevent them from doing so remains to be seen.
“The federal government has in place certain legal procedures to access and validate theses types of documents for cause, while still preserving the tenents of the law….and rest assurd they have done so in the case at hand.”
So you assert, but what proof do you offer? Your anonymous assurances don’t count.
“The worst that anybody is going to find is that Obama lied on official documents, for personal gain, relative to a certain portion of his education. Politicians have a long history of lying on official documents for face saving cover and other personal gains so, nothing is new in that regard.”
Interesting speculation, but utterly irrelevant to the issue at hand, which is Obama’s Constitutional eligibility for the Office of President.
FOCUS, please!
“Now on to a more important topic! Have you ever sexed aligators so you know how to handle them with proper gender etiquette? Just curious as that is an expertise of real cajun swamp fellers and I’d like to know how its done.”
If you must know, the proper technique is to shoot them in the head and then apparently stick your finger into their ventral hole if you absolutely feel the need to do so.
As to what you find therein that determines dead male gator from dead female gator, I haven’t a clue, nor do I care…and quite honestly at that point, I suspect that the gator in question has moved “beyond gender”.
LOL! You’ve proved you’re a genuin cajin gator-swampman and thats nuff fer me!
Are you familiar with the many military and non military intelligence agencies in the government? If so, then you must be aware of some of the sections in those agencies that provide the nations most critical security background investigations with their domestic and global presence within and outside government affiliations.
A president or potential president having gained or trying to gain that office by means of fraudlent representation of constitutional and other legal requirements, is among the most serious of charges in this nation. In this country such matters are intensely addressed long before any president takes office! Though I’ve long been retired from the military service, I’m very confident that, at the very beginnings of the democrats (Teddy Kennedy) prepping Obama for president preceding 2004, Obama was fully vetted by agencies with the government and globally….as a matter of routine. The results of such national security vetting is most likely why no lower courts will give the fraud claims legal standing and merit and the U.S. Supreme Court has not exercised their authority to bring the claims directly before their court.
The constitutional construct of our government does not lend it to be nearly as stupid and reckless as some want to believe….though we do have to worry about congress from time to time…lol!
Obama and his cronies are probably laughing and using the “birthers’ to his advantage painting them to be representative of the entire GOP/Tea Party as extreme radical loons. The perfect gift to define your opponents!
While the long form birth certificate may well present some ‘perception’ problems such as recorded religion data, rest assurd, there are NO consitutional birth issues that can be noted or validated. As a sidebar, folks need to understand that NOBODY has any legal access to a persons birth certificate(s) but the person and the family listed on the prevailing certificate. The exception! By court order for certain law enforcement circumstances, certain state agencies and certain agencies of the federal goverment for cause. In the cases of these exceptions, those parties are precisely and strictly prohibited from publicly diclosing any information on such accessed birth certificates without the listed parties (child of birth and parents) of the certificates permission.
While Obama may find public disclosure of his long form certificate a matter of a perception problem, rest assurd the responsible agenies within the government have done their job…and correctly, to the issue of any constitutional requirement matters.
“Are you familiar with the many military and non military intelligence agencies in the government?”
Some of them, perhaps. Frankly though, I’d wager that nobody, least of all the government itself, is familiar with every single nest and flavor of Spookery in the Worldwide Spook Galaxy.
I used to live not too far from the NRO campus that was built entirely from black budget sources back in the 1980′s.
All of a sudden one day…hey presto! A 40 acre office park full of “non persons” doing “nothing” sprang up on Virginia’s Piedmont like some kind of hideous Bauhaus steel-and-black glass toadstools.
All of the savage natives,(namely Congress), were shell-shocked and dismayed at the loss of prime cattle-grazing land, I can tell you.
“If so, then you must be aware of some of the sections in those agencies that provide the nations most critical security background investigations with their domestic and global presence within and outside government affiliations.”
I’ve heard that that’s what they are supposed to be doing, but then are they actually doing it? Who’s to say?
Rather like sexing a dead gator, I’m sure I could probably learn the difference, but I’m not inclined to run about sticking my digits into strange gators’ hoo-hahs in order to gain that intelligence, y’know?
I DO know that some white suburban punk tweenager from Planet California converted to Islam, attended a Pakistani madrassah, and managed to get “face time” with Osama bin Pig-Fornicator, while all the assembled resources and might of US government can’t seem to get within Hellfire missile range of the 6’5″ dialysis machine-dependent bastard.
YOU tell ME what the bozos are doing. We can all see what they’re FAILING to do.
“Obama was fully vetted by agencies with the government and globally….as a matter of routine. The results of such national security vetting is most likely why no lower courts will give the fraud claims legal standing and merit and the U.S. Supreme Court has not exercised their authority to bring the claims directly before their court.”
Was he? A chap who wins election as a US Senator, or as the POTUS, does NOT have to pass a TS clearance. That requirement is nowhere written, is it?
So Obama was perfectly able to slide right into the Oval Office without the G-Man flatfoots from the Bureau gettin’ all up in his business, and without the Mindbenders from Langley hooking him up to their Magic Machine and watching the dials while they showed him dirty pictures.
And then the DCI or the National Intelligence Chief, (or whatever they’re calling the Grand Spook Pooh-bah THIS week), has to suck it up and show this booger-eatin’ slob The Big Board.
(It would not surprise me at all if the Spookiverse has a few different editions of the Big Board…rated “G”, “PG”, “R”, and for the trusted POTUS, VPOTUS, and the Intelligence Committee chairmen that they trust…”XXX”, but then again, it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t)
As far as the courts are concerned…oh please! The Judiciary are the Ancient Jedi Masters of “Hot Political Potato Tossing” are they not?
I don’t think we’d get a judgment from the Justices unless we tackled them, pinned them to the ground, and beat them in the head. It seems that the courts see this issue as the bastard step-child of the Legislative and Executive branches and those ignint hillbillies out in the States.
They’re the guy on the “Maury Povich Show” stage sitting the furthest away from the bimbo and her bastard who are trying to establish the brat’s paternity. I think they aim to stay right where they are.
“As a sidebar, folks need to understand that NOBODY has any legal access to a persons birth certificate(s) but the person and the family listed on the prevailing certificate. The exception! By court order for certain law enforcement circumstances, certain state agencies and certain agencies of the federal goverment for cause. In the cases of these exceptions, those parties are precisely and strictly prohibited from publicly diclosing any information on such accessed birth certificates without the listed parties (child of birth and parents) of the certificates permission.”
Well, you’ve just destroyed your own argument with this assertion, haven’t you?
Even if the Spooks are all aware that Obama was born in a mud-hut in Kenya and his birth was attended by a 7 foot tall lesbian mid-wife with a disk in her lip who was also a card-carrying Marxist, there’s NOTHING they could legally do about it, is there?
He STILL gets to gawk at the Big Board and press all the shiny buttons.
Because of the FOIA, when such documents are placed in the government record, ordinary citizens should be able to get hold of them, at least some redacted version. No one declared our federal officials kings and nobility; they must abide by the law, including verification of eligibility for office. If they are doing their job, they will have proper and adequate verification of citizenship in the files where our presidential candidates filed their candidacy papers. Because it is pretty clear in the arguments that have been made that a COLB is not adequate to prove citizenship, there should also be a long-form birth certificate in those candidacy files for Hawaiian federal candidates – and for candidates born in any state where there are separate birth certificate type forms.
Now, I really think the long-form birth certificate is a red herring; there are many, many other things in Obama’s background that are questionable. But the fact that our election boards are clearly not properly vetting candidates for eligibility, as is evident in the fact that they cannot produce the long-form BC, is quite disturbing. When we the people entrust any government entity with a critical task, they’d best by jove perform that task with both alacrity and accuracy.
In other words, YES we the people have a right to know whether and why candidates are eligible. If we don’t know this beyond all reasonable doubt (and liberals are not allowed to define “reasonable” – use the courthouse rule of thumb, 5% or less doubt. We have around 30% of Americans unsure about Obama) then there are government officials not doing their jobs, and they need to be held accountable.
“The federal government has in place certain legal procedures to access and validate theses types of documents for cause, while still preserving the tenents of the law….and rest assurd they have done so in the case at hand.”
That wouldn’t be the same federal government that runs the VA hospitals, the Post Offices, and General Motors, the State Department, the Department of Education, and the Justice Department?
The prosecution rests.
As bilgeman stated, Stanley Ann was not old enough, according to American laws at the time, to confer American citizenship to Barack given that the father was purportedly Kenyan (hence giving British citizenship). Even if he was born on American soil, he would not have been a citizen. That is IF Obama Sr. is really his father.
If Obama Sr. wasn’t his real father, and another American was his father (as hypothesized by Jack Cashill, who wonders if Obama Sr. agreed to be named as the father so that the Dunhams wouldn’t be disgraced by their daughter’s inconvenient pregnancy which may have caused them to abruptly move from WA to HI…http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=253097), making him an American citizen, how does one account for the fact that Barry attended an Indonesian school (when a student had to be an Indonesian citizen to do so), and traveled to Pakistan when Americans weren’t allowed to go there? I suspect he was an Indonesian citizen, and either never got his American citizenship back, or perhaps got it back less than 14 years before becoming President… Perhaps his college records show he was registered as a foreign student and/or received aid as a foreign student?
And what about all those odd social security numbers, such as the CT one when he never lived in CT? Or that Stanley Ann’s passport records accidentally have disappeared?
His mother was 17 at his birth – not old enough to convey citizenship on her son. His father was a British subject.
There are a variety of ways that a child born to an mother, who is an American citizen, would not be an American citizen. It depends on her age, marriage status, birthplace, the nationality of the father and more. Additionally, Barry was adopted by an Indonesian father. So even if he was an American citizen at birth, that creates another set of issues that could make him ineligible. What nationality was his mother when his father adopted him? You can be a dual American-Indonesian citizen until you are 18 but then you must choose. What passports did he hold. Did he keep his Indonesian nationality? etc.
Was he born in Hawaii? I don’t know. But I’m not going to feel stupid for asking to him to prove it. The only way someone is going to BE stupid is if he isn’t a citizen and they mocked the idea that he, like the rest of us, needs to prove it.
I have no idea about the accuracy of this or not but I did read that students at the madrassa where young Barack studied HAD TO BE INDONESIAN citizens. So if this is true, he may have indeed held Indonesian nationality at one time. Take with a grain of salt but…
As to the bulrushes and all that… Mr. Solway are you suggesting that Barak Hussein was actually born a Jew? Now that would be news.
If this was the case then why was there a hearing on John McCain’s eligibility because he was born in Panama, to 2 American citizens one of which was a decorated Admiral? No one is pressing this issue when it is said that his mother was a citizen therefore it’s all settled. Can anyone say without a doubt that she was actually the mother? Who was the father? It mattered for John McCain somehow.
People who don’t question Obama are morons of the worst kind and a nightmare for the future of America no matter what the truth is discovered with Nobama.
Well the fake Greek Columns that Barack used in Denver as a backdrop is the perfect methphore for this President. Everything about him is fake.
He won’t raise taxes for anyone in the middle class, the first biography
(it was probably written by Ayres), no lobbyists in his administration,
he LOVES ISRAEL, he will go through the budget and take out unnecessary spending. He lies, lies, lies. I simply refuse to watch him anymore. I have no respect for him; only contempt.
Someone who hides his papertrail, is hiding something. But the bottom line is we know little facts about this president and his background.
Exactly my sentiments. A fake, fragile, hollow vessel filled with noxious volitale fumes. We have to stop wondering about all these missing and twisted puzzle pieces and put them together to perceive a recognizable face. “The roots of Obama’s Rage” by Dinesh D’Souza helped me do just that. Great read.
Quite right. There is no question a messiah descended upon us to save us from ourselves. Therefore, one so elevated, such a sage savior of the masses, the downtrodden, has no need of a birth certificate. Would we ask Jesus for his? God forbid, that would be tantamount to apostasy!
Yet, the question remains:
“ask not what you can do without a birth certificate, but what you can
get away with as president without a birth certificate”
Or better yet, the truth of the matter is not having a birth certificate in the first instance, but of all the people in this country, the president has to be above such matters. The simple truth obama has something to hide is as a grievous dereliction of honesty, duty and honor as a president can be guilty of committing, for that simple requirement of due process and honor of the rule of law is the basis of every trust imaginable. If an elected leader can not honor this, he does not honor nor respect any allegiance to the sovereign we the people. We have been entirely hoodwinked, bushwhacked and scammed by a consummate liar and con artist.
David Solvey, you have deeply disappointed me; when I granted you this interview about my 12th (or is he the 13th?) imam, I asked you to keep it to yourself, but you failed me.
Punishment is arriving forthwith, infidel.
From now on, thou shall be called a birtherer, no virgins or rice pilaf for you Solvey.
Just bacon.
And that ain’t funny.
I’ll smile knowingly on the day when, the ultimate proof having been delivered, The Donald calls out, “I made you do it, I made you do it!”
But that doesn’t really end the discussion does it? I mean, did anyone report seeing a star shining it the East at the time?
“But that doesn’t really end the discussion does it? I mean, did anyone report seeing a star shining it the East at the time?”
Ummm, well…yes, of a sort:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/sts1/gagarin_anniversary.html
Gargarin went up April 12th 1961, a man-made “star” in the Communist East.
Obama was allegedly born August 4th of that year.
Weird, huh?
Only if you are VERY high.
When I came across the part in which Mr. Solway wrote “The problem [with anti-birthers David Frum and Joe Klein] is that ridicule is not an argument,” I thought “Thank you! Someone besides Legal Insurrection’s William Jacobson is looking past the bipartisan name-calling!”
Next paragraph. Oh, snap, it’s a mirage. It’s really just another anti-intellectual you-guys-must-be-crazy-and-I’m-too-lazy-to-do-my-own-research snark.
And just where has ignoring the Constitution’s “natural born citizen” requirement gotten us?
Policies like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ErzxOz3Dzv8
The reason that the “real” birth certificate cannot be found is because his real last name in not “Obama”. He was born under a totally different name and his father was not from Keyna. I believe that Trump now knows most of the truth about this and is waiting until the proper moment to release the truth so as to assure his own nomination and election. Trump would rather face a wounded Obama than Obama’s replacement when that time comes.
“[T]he future president was discovered floating in an ark of bulrushes, daubed in slime and pitch, along the banks of a river whose name, regrettably, was garbled in the transmission from my source.”
What sort of monster would daub a newborn in slime and pitch?! Oh, wait … a reporter, possibly.
Keep the narrative going David ! May Teh One and his people wander in the wilderness for 40 years. Then we can with satisfaction break our own self-imposed restraints and speak the name of Barry…Barry Soetoro.
So let it be written/voted on, so let it be done !
I’m more a “documentist.” I would bet you dollar to donuts that since he grew up in Indonesia he got his scholarship to Columbia as a foreign student.
Heeeelllllloooo FRAUDMEISTER!!!!
Mr. Solway:
1) Interesting thesis you present: Obama is an Egyptian.
(humming a few bars of “Walk Like an Egyptian” )
2) The reason Obama is hiding his birth certificate is that he is younger than
the Constitutionally required age of 35.
That sinsemilla really turns your head, doesn’t it? Just be sure that, before you snort another line of what they sold you for meth, that it is not drano. Surprise! (Even worse if you’re slammin’, eh?).
The larger problem is that this hate consumed trash was born at all, where is secondary.
The ‘document’ shown at the beginning of the article isn’t worth the paper printed on.
And on that piece of trash rests the future of this Republic. It’s…….(you fill the blank) unbelievable.
The attempts at humor here make me puke.
I notice two articles today on PJM about the “birthers” and wonder how come? Maybe, it’s a con game, a way to get some traffic, while cleaning up PJM’s good name with the “mainstream media”?
C$P are doing it too. Coincidence? The very HA, farting hot air for sometime now, also is doing it. What’s the matter? The Donald? Is Chicagoland getting a bit nervous?
“I notice two articles today on PJM about the “birthers” and wonder how come? Maybe, it’s a con game, a way to get some traffic, while cleaning up PJM’s good name with the “mainstream media”?
C$P are doing it too. Coincidence? The very HA, farting hot air for sometime now, also is doing it. What’s the matter? The Donald? Is Chicagoland getting a bit nervous?”
I think the answer can be found in these RCP GOP Nomination polling data:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html
You will note that Trump, who is beating the “Birther” drum, has placed himself in the head of the pack. The CNN poll shows him tied with Huckabee.
You can smell the consternation wafting from the White House.
Trump is getting traction from somewhere with his position on “Birtherism”…and Trump hasn’t exactly impressed the GOP base before.
Moran is trotted out to be their little monkey and dance for the people while the same old organ that plays the same old tune is ground.
Panic mode at 1600 Pennsylvania, the DNC, and the MSM that flacked for the Alleged Hawaiian.
It’s unfortunate that there has been so much focus on the birth certificate because it distracts from the more important issue: why has little lenin hidden so much of his past? There is virtually no documentation of anything the man has ever done.
This isn’t an issue with virtually any other presidential candidate because their lives are usually an open book. You might have some issues with dubya’s background, but there is no doubt who his parents are, where he went to school, etc., etc., etc. Same for all the rest.
But all of obama’s relatives who knew him as a child and young man are conveniently dead; there is no audit trail of anything in his life; and 99% of what is “known” about him comes from his own stories in the book that was written for him, which he fraudulent claims he wrote by himself. You could find out more accurate information about a neigbor in 5 minutes than the president of the United States.
what about these Hawaian officials that are undoubtedly lying regarding the procedure and process for releasing the certificate-i should think they are running afoul of state ethics laws
So, you are saying, that if the Constitution has been violated, that’s fine. Over look it. Ignore the fact that the foundation law of our country has been violated. After all, what is the Constitution? It’s just some historical document that has no bearing on us anymore. It was good back then, but we can discard it now. We don’t need it. Just toss it into the trash heap of our country’s history. We’ll do what we want the way we want now.
Forget the Constitution! That’s what you’re saying.
I know one thing: Obama has a lot to hide.
After reading this article I had hoped to feel much better. When I look at Obama I still see the personification of Waste, Fraud and Abuse.
This is almost perfect: “When a [glorious] leader is born and raised from humble and deeply shrouded circumstances to bring forth a groaning people out of bondage, we have no option but to marvel and follow.”
Hey, easy on the industrial-grade sarcasm, pal. You’ll put somebody’s eye out!
Comments in the media about Trump’s run for the presidency. Some have commented that if he actually throws his hat in the ring, the press will have a field day delving into his past. Women, deals, financial records, and every other juicy gossip item imaginable.
Trump would welcome it and face it head on, Obama is never vetted, questioned, or investigated by the media. In fact, he runs from any attempt to reveal ANY of his past.
Trump would never get my support but this is the tell-tale story about the media if ever there was one. Trump would be excoriated, Obama exhalted. ‘Nuff said!
Let us use logic please. It is required that the President be a “Natural Born Citizen”. It is therefore required that he proove it. He needs to do it and shut up about it. Period. The fact that he refuses to do it leads to the conclusion that there is something wrong.
Correct. So what is wrong? I can only come up with three things: 1) He has no birth certificate; 2) His birth certificate contains information that he wishes to hide; 3) He thinks the controversy benefits him politically, and he therefore has no desire to dispose of it.
Given that he’s an idiot, I won’t be surprised if he things #3 of what you said; however, he’s wrong. This isn’t a hide-and-seek kids’ game.
Exactly! 0bama needs to prove he’s a natural born Citizen.
His claim of having a foreign father, means his status was not nbC.
He needs to prove his parents were citizens and show U.S. birth. If he can’t show such facts, he’s not eligible.
Congress looked into McCain’s nbC status, why not 0bama’s?
The child grew tall and strong and was eventually ensconced as a prince among his people, guiding them out of social and economic captivity into a land of…
This Child ?
The Arizona legislature (a state getting absolutely screwed by the federal courts as it tries to protect its own borders) just passed a measure that any candidate for President has to show proof of citizenship if he or she wants to be on the ballot in Arizona.
The feds (of course) yelled and screamed that a state can’t do that.
Obama can’t show a birth certificate. He was born in a manger and the sheepherders didn’t know how to write.
Unlike the other guy born in a manger, Obama wasn’t to be honored every day not just on Dec 25th.
Solway, you lie!
Odumbo don’t look nothin’ like Charlton Heston, don’t act nothin’ like him, neither.
Kin y’all see him givin’ up prezzydent fur he’pn sum peeple an’ perteckin’ his fambly?Hes too bizzy killin’ babies an’ huggin’ perverts.
Jis’ think about all the time an’ energy he takes to run down America and destroy our economy and military strength. An’of the countless, sleepless nights he spends down at the border, he’pin’ the dope peddlers an’ aspirin’ welfare recipients over the fence!Thats commitment! An’ also proves that he should be committed- after impeacment, of course, to an asylum for the criminally insane.
If the court feels punishment should be enhanced, he could be forced into a threeway civil union, with nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank.
That would provide him with the worst of both worlds.
Academic? So the US Constitution is now just a politically academic & not our supreme law? FYI…no birth certificated needed acccording the Buchnanan Administration who officially released to the public nationwide, the US doctrine of exclusive allegiance either at birth or naturalization, the same as it was from the day of independence. The only constitutional position one who was born owing allegiance to a foreign nation can not attain to is the position of US president according to this official release that is still cited in the late 20th century by both SCOTUS & Harvard Law. Obama admitted himself that his FTS campaign site that his birth citizenship was governed by the 1948 Britisah Nationality Act. Now why did he state a foreign source for citizenship rather than US law? Because he knows the birth certificate is a strawman agrument. Because the expatriation act & excusive allegiance to the US is the key to determining who are the natural born. This doctrine was proclaimed by the states on July 4, 1776 and was formally written into the US code in March of 1790 and we will not let it be swept under a political rug. There is a reason immediate familial foreign influence was not allowed inthe presidency. Washington’s farewell address spells it out quite clearly for those who really care about the future of our nation.
Fun little article. How can anyone take the issue seriously, especially once it’s gotten on Rush Limbaugh’s desk, all logical concerns go out the window anyway.
If Trump keeps “trumpeting” about the issue, we’ll have to give him and Rush the same dunce caps, and put them in the corner till they get some sense.
Rob…someone obviously robbed..robbed you..of your common senses.
Rush, Beck, Hannity give us the truth, and tell us where to find the facts for ourselves,(esp Beck)…not some crap fake birth certificate..Obama hasn’t gone to college, or high school reunions…and when asked, no one there remembers him anyway!!
There is something rotten living in Washington at 1600 pennsylvania family quarters. A person not raised here would not have the same empathy for our country and way of life..as Obama has shown us.
Rob, how’s mom’s basement closet working out for ya..happy times
Exactly. Both of Rob’s statements were purely intended to ridicule, but offers no information to back up the position.
Rob, you have a big problem. There is no way you would allow anyone to treat you so shabbily ( lie to you ) and still respect them, yet you seem to have no compunction in doing so to others.
Lying to further your own agenda gets easier with practice. You have a conscience for a reason. Turn back now so you can look at yourself in the mirror again without that lurking shameful feeling.
The witer speaks with the love of the US Constitution of a true Canadian with overtones of French Canadian smug. United States Culture is so original Canadians like him are not going to understand. That is the is one of the reasons tpgether with loyalty to require natural born citizens.
Belief and knowlwdge are two different things. I believe that Obama was born in Hawaii, probably at home not a hospital. I have a sneaky suspision that his long form BC has the word White under race. The Certficate of Live Birth has African listed as race, African is not a race. Back in the early 1960′s either Negro or Colored was the term used. Of course everything about Obama while he was a youth was decided by parents/grandparents. I don’t think even he knows his true past. I beieve, (not know), that he used his past Indonesian citizenship to get forign exchange student status/entrance to school. Untill college tution/finacial aid records are released, I’ll keep believing it. Obama has not left many footprints on his walk through life.
Has it occurred to anyone that Obama genuinely was born in Hawaii, but is witholding definitive evidence thereof, on purpose, in order to make the Birthers and those allied with them seem crazy?
As a tactic, it is working perfectly, plus it answers the question of why he won’t release this, that & the other document.
If this is 0bama’s reason for not proving his required eligibility, the strategy will backfire badly.
BTW, in case you don’t know, the proof will need to be more than birthplace.
I think Occam’s Razor applies here.
Simplest answer: Something is very wrong.
Other than that I think 0gabe actually in office simply shows that the LSM has proven that they can elect anyone they so choose, all else be damned.
The public was not and is not being served by the LSM, Freedom of the press is all good and fine, but what about responsibility to honest, ethic and truth in *reporting* (different from commentary).
Did you not read my comment above?
Up till now Obama has put the onus of active role on those questioning his invisible paper trail and have made the conclusion that they think such because they’re a bunch of hate-filled haters. Here’s a simple way to move him to ACTIVE position on this:
“Mr. President, are you refusing to release your records because you have something to hide or are you intentionally ginning up curiosity so that you can gain political traction by labeling anyone who wonders about your deliberately concealed past as an ignorant racist?”
If the game they’re playing is “gotcha”, then we ask why did you not release the records to begin and not encourage curiosity, suspicion, skepticism, etc. so that you could profit from it politically. WHAT DOES SUCH AN ACTION SAY ABOUT A PERSON’S CHARACTER?!! If this is the game that’s being played it needs to be turned against him in the worse possible way.
That is the point…regardless of his motivations, I would hardly call them honorable. Have we become a nation of liars? Probably.
If he has a LFBC, it will prove 2 things. He is eligible even though he led so many to logically conclude he might not be. He’s a immature punk to pull a stunt like this.
Mr. Solway wrote: “Others are content that a short-form “certificate of live birth,” two newspaper announcements, and state attestation are more than enough to settle the issue regarding the president’s authenticity and good faith.”
The soetoro campaign never issued a “certificate of live birth. They instead issued a “certification of live birth.” Educate yourselves about the difference.
Furthermore, the certification merely states that it was “filed by registrar” and it was never “accepted by registrar.”(or by the State)
barry soetoro never was at birth a “natural born Citizen” if his parents are who he says they are.
Thanks for the chuckles.
We must remember it is not OUR responsibility to prove he is NOT eligible, rather HE must prove he IS.
The lack of verified documentation on this guy is amazing. Furthermore, the unverified or vested-interest claims is so contradictory that I don’t know what to believe.
I feel quite justified to say “Not Proven”.
Obama won state and national elections by getting sealed court documents leaked to damage his opponents. Isn’t it time to leak Obama’s docs: school records, college grades, source of tuition support, birth certificate all that stuff.
Just so I am understanding, exactly WHAT part of the Constitution do we follow and which part do we ignore? Don’t you dare ever talk about the 1st Amendment if you choose to ignore Article II!
If the dingbat in the White House isn’t eligible, everything he has signed is null and void. We may have a media blackout in this country about this issue, but other countries know the truth because they actually have a media that doesn’t kiss his behind.
If we are all crazy and pushing a stupid issue, show the long form BC and shut us up! BTW, his sister Maya that we all know was born in Indonesia has a COLB too. Can you explain that one???
I’m no longer coming to this website since you PRETEND to care about this country, if you did, you would want to know the truth. God Bless Trump!
The question was never where he was born, but if his Father was an African, or British subject. Therefore, with just his Mother as an American, is that enough for someone to hold the office of POTUS?
Search the internet. Find a picture of Barack Obama. Find a picture of Frank Marshall Davis. Then, find a picture of Barack Obama, Sr. (I have seen one site where all three pictures are side by side.) Now, study the pictures and see if you can detect any familial resemblances. Reach your own conclusions.
Dunham was married to Obama Sr when Barack was born. There’s no effing way a married woman would name someone other than her husband as the father of her child. You are spouting a stupid theory.
“There’s no effing way a married woman would name someone other than her husband as the father of her child.” That’s a little bit naive. It all depends upon what’s to be gained, doesn’t it? Could it be possible that a married woman would conceive a child out of wedlock? Na-a-a-h . . .
Besides, I’m not spouting any theory, I only suggested that you look at pictures of two men and decide for yourself which of the two looks more like Mr. Obama.
I can’t get a drivers license with Obummer’s documentation.
It is pretty pathetic that this site lets nutcases that still talk about this B.S. post here… its these types of wingnut conspiracy theorist freakshows that make the right seem to bad to so many swing types we need to get and keep majorities.
As I said, Obama is doing this deliberately, to make the Right Wing seem crazy. It’s working.
There’s nothing crazy about asking someone to prove they are eligible to hold the highest office in the land. You are likely as uninformed as Moran about how the Hawaiian birth registration system “worked”, or more precisely, operated. Scroll up to my previous post and follow the link to Western Journalism. The Certification Of Live Birth does not mean what you think it means.
I’m not saying that the Birthers *are* crazy–just that half the country apparently thinks they’re crazy. Isn’t it legitimate in politics to goad and torment your opponents?
I accept you your distinction, then how do we turn it to an advantage? If they *think* we’re crazy, how can we exploit that (fly over the cuckoo’s nest so to speak)?
That is always the tactic of the left– ridicule those who disagree. Or call them “racist”. Or both.
We don’t care what you think and we don’t care what the lamestream media or the author of this idiotic article think.
Obama works for us, “We The People”. The conditions of his employment are listed in the Constitution. One of those conditions is a specific citizenship requirement. We are requesting that our employee produce the document(s) that provide proof of his eligibilty.
You can worry all you want about what others think or say about this. You can invent all the theories you care to about why he won’t show it. It does not matter.
The employers want to see the employee’s birth certificate, and he is refusing– even spending a small fortune to keep us from seeing it. We are entitled to see it.
Untll now Obama has put the onus of active role on those questioning his invisible paper trail and have made the conclusion that they think such because they’re a bunch of hate-filled haters. Here’s a simple way to move him to ACTIVE position on this:
“Mr. President, are you refusing to release your records because you have something to hide or are you intentionally ginning up curiosity so that you can gain political traction by labeling anyone who wonders about your deliberately concealed past as an ignorant racist?”
If the game they’re playing is “gotcha”, then we ask why did you not release the records to begin and not encourage curiosity, suspicion, skepticism, etc. so that you could profit from it politically. WHAT DOES SUCH AN ACTION SAY ABOUT A PERSON’S CHARACTER?!! If this is the game that’s being played it needs to be turned against him in the worse possible way.
I have to agree. But more damaging than adding ammunition to the “crazy” tag, chasing this issue is utterly pointless and self-deluding. For those who are truly invested in the “Obama-not-legally-born-here” narrative, I have to say this: Even if by some chance this were proven correct it will change absolutely nothing. He got elected, he is president today and will be in that job at least until January 2013. A post-facto invalidation of the election of 2008 is an impossibility.
Sheesh. He’s running for a 2nd term.
Have faith all things are made possible by GOD and Jesus! That is if you believe, have you noticed as America is turning it`s back on Israel, we are slipping into a 3rd world country? Have faith in GOD ALMIGHTY!!
Face the facts Max. If you need swing votes to build a majority party then it should be obvious that your media shaded party record is not supported by a majority.
Nothing has rocked the two party status quo like George Wallace did with popularity and Ross Perot with his money and common sense. Both were made an offer that they could not refuse, one with a threat to his life and the other to the life of his family.
The Tea Party scares every party tentacle on the hill simply by having a simple popular platform without a bulls eye target for a life threatening proposal. The third party split vote scare has been around forever and yet any other voter compromise has proven to be merely more of the same at tax payers peril. Until talking heads cease to exaggerate the fear of losing something that you don’t have, expect only minor change while interest compounds faster than they can think. Testicles of honor went out with dueling and common sense.
The reason Obama is hiding his actual birth certificate is that he was born sexually ambiguous and needed minor corrective surgery.
This late, Mr. Solwayl, but maybe you’ll catch it.
There is undoubtedly a legitimate record of birth in Hawaii, and the president is doing everything he can to prevent a verified copy to be released. There is only ONE reason for refusing to relese a birth certificate; it reveals something that would reflect on your character, our reputation or your true origin.
That certificate under lock and key probably raises doubt about whether his father was Barack Sr. The single shred of evidence is a record of issuance of a marriage license: not one shred of proof of marriage, cohabitation or sexual union, or evn hand-holding. He skipped out early and there is o record of any communication of an kind. No question of mixed blood. The Kenyan probably got paid well to sign the marriage license papers, but assurance that there would be no marriage or sex involved – the latter had already been taken care of. Just take an easy thousand or two, and get out of here ASAP.
Why? Because the banker lady didn’t think it would enhance her reputation in the community to be known as the mother-in-law of a lecher, pornogapher and communist firebrand.
Why was his african-american childhood “mentor” nicknamed “Pops” ? (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Just a little inside joke from his dirty-old-man grampa). I’d lay big money that his DNA would reveal no trace of Kenyan blood.So much for dreams from his father, the whore-monger.
The secret of the birth certificate is probably just an omission or a detail that left his fatherhood in doubt.
For all you legal experts who are suffering a memory lapse.
["In the United States, a person is considered to be born a citizen either due to place of birth within U.S. territorial jurisdiction (jus soli) or through descent from a U.S. citizen (jus sanguinis), or through some combination of those two elements."]
Maybe that bit of legalese will refreshen your memories on where to go to review all the other legal citations on the matter of the legal definitions of citizenship.
For those who are a bit slow still, refer to U. S. TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401…..Nationals and citizens of United States at birth. Aaawww, heck let me help you folks out a bit!
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.
Hmmmm!
The president of the United States is the most powerful individual in the world. As such, it is important that he meets all the legal requirements needed to hold that office. So far he has not presented physical evidence that he does. Anecdotal evidence from Hawaii officials or his grandmother or journalists are no substitute for physical evidence that will withstand legal challenge all the way up to the Supreme Court.
Arizona is on the right track in demanding that candidates be able to demonstrate the needed qualification, but ultimately the same sort of citizenship vetting it proposes needs to be uniformly applied by all states. What’s needed is a formal set of uniform procedures that includes full FBI background checks, perhaps overseen by the Supreme Court and backed by the major parties as a precondition for them even to submit the name of a candidate. Let the normal rules of discovery apply, with documents submitted in evidence, and testimony of submitting officials be taken under oath. No proof, no name on the ballot. Why should it be otherwise?
It’s time to stop playing games with our presidential elections and normalize the procedures for qualifying candidates. It is unconscionable that this hole in our election system has gone unfixed as long as it has.
David you can marvel at obama and his lack of reveling his past. All I know is that obama has been lying to the American people from the very start. Oh and he has no birth certificate, end of story!
Release the full birth certificate. Controversy over. Until then, enjoy getting hounded.
It also could be that this ‘distraction’ is intentional so he can forever prevent other more damaging discovery. If he submits and says, alright here it is now leave me alone, he’d gain some sympathy…he is a first class manipulator
Two million dollars spent sealing obama`s past and a military Dr. sitting in jail is a lot of distraction. Over a $10.00 item, which him being president would probably be waved.
Well, Mr Solway, it might be fun to experience another Moses. But what if we are looking at a Rosemary’s baby?
Obama’s father was not a citizen therefore he is not “natural born”. End of story. I don’t need no stink’n birth certificate. Somebody ask Obama if his daddy was a U.S. Citizen. Get it on tape. Put it on youtube when he answers. Then ship his sorry ass back to Kenya.
Juan….with all due respect, folks who follow unfounded conspiracies damage the efforts of any legitimate movement. Either they chose to be uniformed and follow idiots or they lack the mental capacity to become informed with some degree of comprehension.
Read U. S. TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401 paying very close attention the the last two words of:
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
The last two words [at birth] are intentionally used to be the legislations connector to the constitutions article II section I “natural born citizen’ for a president.
Then read the rest of the statute to see how silly and legally unfounded any comment regarding Obama’s father and his citizenship is to your conspiracy.
With all due respect T.T., you can’t be a natural born Citizen by virtue of a statute.
1andyman…I can understand all the confusion over all the various interpretations and the many legislated laws that may or may not appear to be in contradiction of many constitutional issues. For example I can overload you with legalese and a boatload of citations in which some can agree that the federal government has ‘NO’ authority and jusridiction to define or assign natural born citizenship, as that would be left exclusively to the States according to the constitution. Naturally, using this legal and constitutional theory, the State of Hawaii is the exclusive constitutional jurisdiction to assign natural born citizenship. This theory leaves to the federal government only the constitutional matters of ‘alien and naturalization’ citizenship issues. There are at least three other substantive theories for which informed folks can consider, that differ substantially from each other.
Further, it has long been the accpeted practice, from the beginnings, for congress to pass legislation to further define language and matters of the constitution as the constitutioon clearly gives to the congress and the Supreme Court such authority.
Often times the strict construct of the constitution presents legitimate problems as the nation and the world evolve. For example, we, in these times, have hundreds of thousands of American citizens who live and work abroad, not as any government classified employee’s. Should their children, born abroad, be precluded from ever serving as president of the United States as the strict construct of the constitution is interpreted by many? If your answer is yes, that opens up a huge legal and constitutional matter of who can take away ones citizenship disputing the issue of natural born versus the only other two classifications of alien and naturalized citizenship.
This matter was resolved by immigration and naturalization legislation of which I referenced above. That said, all congressional legislated law can be constitutionally challenged before the Supreme Court however, to the best of my knowledge this 1930′s legislation revised over time and most recently in 1994 has never seen a challenge by anybody.
Changing times and circumstance have a way of challenging several parts of the Articles of the Constitution. I happen to be one who thinks the State of Hawaii and the government have done their jobs in this Obama citizenship matter and for which law do not grant the general public rights to view anybodys birth certificate without the persons permission. Certain agencies within the federal government and the State of Hawaii through a very narrow cause and procedure, do have the right to view a persons birth certificate and are bound by law to non public nondisclosure without the persons permission.
There are far more important problems for the ‘people’ of the nation to be honed in on rather than the birth certificate of this socialist president!
Do you understand that being a citizen does not mean you are a nbC?
I’ve read & heard many sides of this debate, and for someone who claimed that he would be The Great Uniter, it is obvious that even this single issue is bitterly dividing us. Regardless of one’s position on it: You would think that someone who claims to want to unite the nation might take it upon himself to put the matter to rest.
Charlotte…With politics having become a very dirty sport and a president from Chicago where dirty politics has special meaning, Obama is no dummy nor those around him.
It is a special gift when politicians can have handed to them some faction of an opposing party they can use to represent the entire party. The idiots of the Obama birther conspiracy folks have handed Obama and his thugs that special gift!
Forget all that unity rhetoric from either side! Winning to them is all about taking down the opponent AND his PARTY anyway they can….with whatever they can.
Charlotte, he cannot put it to rest because there is no hospital issued birth certificate. If the Democrat Governor of Hawaii cannot locate it, it doesn’t exist.
Barry was born in Kenya,raised a Marxist and is a Muslim PERIOD !!!! He is not an American !!!!,and couldn’t be if he wanted to.
Wow! This ends my concern over the “birther” issue. I only hope I don’t miss it when he walks on water.
THATS OBAMA’S NEXT STEP,WALK ON WATER, AND APPROL 24, 2011 ”WE THE PEOPLE” CAN NAIL HIM TO THE CROSS, AS WE ALL KNOW HE THINKS HE IS god.
The question is becoming moot. Though I disagree about his bringing “forth a groaning people out of bondage.” Neither the groaning nor the bondage has properly started yet.
Now, I would say, “give him time, he’s only been in there a little over two years …” but the entire nation may well be dead before his first term is finished.
Cause of death? Well, our vice president came perilously close during Obama’s recent budget speech. And perhaps we will all have died of boredom, met our Maker, gone to a Better Place if he keeps this up.
Where is the hook? Somebody get him off the stage before the whole nation joins Mr. Biden in those deep slumbers.
I do alot of genealogical research.Each state has different laws on purchasing copies of birth/death/marriage certificates.For living persons you are supposed to show a relationship to the person and 2 forms of picture ID (IL) But it is seldom followed and some court houses let you go into the records room alone to find what you want.
2 yrs ago CA had a computer error.On a genealogy search site you could get ss #’s,home addresses,phone #’s and view birth certificates for living residents.
Newspaper announcements are copies/photos of the original printing placed on microfilm.Newspapers deteriorate quickly,are a fire hazard and are bulky so they are not kept.
Point is :it would be easy to create a false set of records.The feds do it for witness protection and undercover work.Teens get fake id’s.We had a local welfare fraud case.A Woman had 6 complete sets of id (ss,birth,drivers license,voter registration) and id for her 8 children that did not exist.
Doesn’t running for public office open your legal records to public scrutiny? Even if there is no law designating it ,it looks evasive and deceptive not too.
Clinton had to review his sexual escapades but Obama can refuse to produce a legal birth certificate?
At least this debate distracts Americas from the pesky issues of terrorism,lies,war,financial disaster,lies,uncontroled immigration,PACs,earmarks,muslim fraud,lies,debt ceiling,lies….
Maybe his father is really Castro haha
David -
Too cute by half. Problem is this “Moses” wants to deliver us all BACK TO PHAROAH.
Dr. Shalit
To the deniers of metanarratives it doesn’t matter whether Obama has a legitimate BC, or that he is a citizen, or that he refuses to publicize his college records. What matters to them is, he was elected president so everybody just SHUT UP and let him preside.
That’s the simplicity of the matter,
But I’ll still wait to see the birth certificate.
Here is a copy of Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate. Is it real? I think so, but who knows? Judge for yourself.
http://thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm
1andyman ["Do you understand that being a citizen does not mean you are a nbC?"]
Of course! If you were paying attention you would know the answer to your question…..lawful alien….naturalized citizen….natural born citizen. The laws I referenced addressed each of them!
What you fail to understand is that in legal terms, there is no such thing as simply a ‘citizen’ in the United States. The question surround the subjective definition of the constitutions use of the term natural born citizen. Legal scholars, void of a constitutional definition of “natural born citizen”, assumed French and British common law to define it.
Regardless, the answer to my question of you becomes apparent. Any child born outside the U. S. States by an assumed natural born citizen,
parent(s) not working for the government….is denied natural born citizenship status (by whom) and consequently disqualified to become a president. According to your understanding of the constitution such a child must become subject to the processes to becoming a naturalized citizen of the U.S. because no other legislated laws may apply….right?
Another couple of question for you. Would Senator Liebermans children be qualified to become president? Is Governor Piyush Amrit “Bobby” Jindal really constitutionally qualified to become a president? Is “natural born” referencing lineage of birth? We don’t know as the constitution doesn’t define natural born citizen for us! Only legal assumption have been made including three Supreme Court cases which have again relied upon French and British common law.
Nothing is ever as simplistic as words may imply!
As far as I am concerned, Obama is a natural born citizen and a citizen of the US. The current form of his “birth certificate” is what the State of Hawaii currently issues and, besides, no verifiable element of fact has been introduced to credibly dispute that certificate.
Anybody who wants to dispute it, well that their time and effort though it costs others, like the courts to the extent that they have to deal with it, but I seriously doubt that they could establish any credible basis on the facts.
Remember. Obama has presented normally prima facie proof of birth and citizenship (no different than what I’d supply if I were running for President). It is not necessary for him to show the source documents, unless he happen to have a copy handy, and anyone who wants to dispute his birth and citizenship had better get cracking and supply solid verifiable and credible proof else their allegations aren’t worth anything.
But then that won’t stop anyone anyway, if they choose to believe this birther stuff.
@GFH. It’s May 1, 2011 today, approximately five days since the “long-form” BC abstract has been posted on the Wash.gov web page. Do you still stand by your unabashed claims that Obama is eligible to be president? Even though it appears the online document is going through the usual factcheck and snopes variations in versions, already (one showed white-out areas with various layers and one, later example, showed a lower resolution form with apparently a single layer), the fact remains Obama’s father was a British Subject, therefore making Hussein one also.
Please feel free to consult your Obama operative’s talking points at your leisure.
There was a whole lot of other stuff floating down that river.
tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com
In an interview with George Stephanopoulos on Good Morning America, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) tried to hedge on the matter of birtherism — using the line used by some Republicans who fall short of fully endorsing the conspiracy theory, while saying that Obama should just release his birth certif
tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com
In an interview with George Stephanopoulos on Good Morning America, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) tried to hedge on the matter of birtherism — using the line used by some Republicans who fall short of fully endorsing the conspiracy theory, while saying that Obama should just release his birth…