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		<title>By: вязаные</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 14:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jill starr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jill starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irrefutable Proof ICTY Is Corrupt Court/Irrefutable Proof the Hague Court Cannot Legitimately Prosecute Karadzic Case

http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/
(The Documentary Secret United Nations ICC Meeting Papers Scanned Images)

This legal technicality indicates the Hague must dismiss charges against Dr Karadzic and others awaiting trials in the Hague jail; like it or not.

Unfortunately for the Signatures Of the Rome Statute United Nations member states instituting the ICC &amp; ICTY housed at the Hague, insofar as the, Radovan Karadzic, as with the other Hague cases awaiting trial there, I personally witnessed these United Nations member states openly speaking about trading judicial appointments and verdicts for financial funding when I attended the 2001 ICC Preparatory Meetings at the UN in Manhattan making the iCTY and ICC morally incapable trying Radovan Karazdic and others.

I witnessed with my own eyes and ears when attending the 2001 Preparatory Meetings to establish an newly emergent International Criminal Court, the exact caliber of criminal corruption running so very deeply at the Hague, that it was a perfectly viable topic of legitimate conversation in those meetings I attended to debate trading verdicts AND judicial appointments, for monetary funding.

Jilly wrote:*The rep from Spain became distraught and when her country’s proposal was not taken to well by the chair of the meeting , then Spain argued in a particularly loud and noticably strongly vocal manner, “Spain (my country) strongly believes if we contribute most financial support to the Hague’s highest court, that ought to give us and other countries feeding it financially MORE direct power over its decisions.”

((((((((((((((((((((((((( ((((((((((((((((((((((((( Instead of censoring the country representative from Spain for even bringing up this unjust, illegal and unfair judicial idea of bribery for international judicial verdicts and judicial appointments, all country representatives present in the meeting that day all treated the Spain proposition as a ”totally legitimate topic” discussed and debated it between each other for some time. I was quite shocked!
The idea was &quot;let&#039;s discuss it.&quot; &quot;It&#039;s a great topic to discuss.&quot;

Some countries agreed with Spain’s propositions while others did not. The point here is, bribery for judicial verdicts and judicial appointments was treated as a totally legitimate topic instead of an illegitimate toic which it is in the meeting that I attended in 2001 that day to establish the ground work for a newly emergent international criminal court.))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

In particular., since &quot;Spain&quot; was so overtly unafraid in bringing up this topic of trading financial funding the ICC for influence over its future judicial appointments and verdicts in front of every other UN member state present that day at the UN, &quot;Spain&quot; must have already known by previous experience the topic of bribery was &quot;socially acceptable&quot; for conversation that day. They must have previously spoke about bribing the ICTY and
ICC before in meetings; this is my take an international sociological honor student. SPAIN&#039;s diplomatic gesture of international justice insofar as, Serbia, in all of this is, disgusting morally!

SPAIN HAS TAUGHT THE WORLD THE TRUE DEFINITION OF AN
&quot;INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT.&quot;

I remind everyone, when I attended those ICC Preparatory Meetings in 2001, witnessing first hand the country plenipotentiary representatives present with me discussing so openly, trading judicial funding of a new international criminal court, for its direct judicial appointments and judicial verdicts, those same state powers were

concurrently,

those same countries and people were already simultaneously, funding the already established ICTY which was issuing at that time, arrest warrants for Bosnian Serbs under false primary diplomatic pretenses.

The ICTY and ICC is just where it should be for once. Cornered and backed into and an international wall, scared like a corned animal (and I bet it reacts in the same way a rabid cornered animal does too in such circumstances). (ICTY associates)


http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa
(Documents: Hague war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) has destroyed all material evidence about the monsterous KLA Albanian/KLA organ trade in Kosovo).

 I believe strongly that ICYU assocaites murdered former Serb President, Slobodan Milosevic, tried to murder me, as well and other Serbs prisoners and presently places , Doctor Radovan Karadzic’s life in direct danger as well as Ratko Mladic’s life
in danger should he be brought there.

The ICTY has no other choice than to halt all further court proceedings against, Doctor Radovan Karadzic, and others there both serving sentences and awaiting trials. Miss JIll Louise Starr (The UN Security Council has no choice but to act on this now).

I accuse the Hague ICTY war crimes tribunal of attempted assassination on my life and others, contempt of court and obstruction of international justice and &quot;international witness tampering&quot; in complicity with Richard Holbrook and Bill Clinton (Former US President of the USA) as well as political players in Spain and the Netherlands .

I represented the state interests&#039; of the Former Yugoslavia, in Darko Trifunovic’s absence in those meetings and I am proud to undertake this effort on Serbia’s behalf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irrefutable Proof ICTY Is Corrupt Court/Irrefutable Proof the Hague Court Cannot Legitimately Prosecute Karadzic Case</p>
<p><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/" rel="nofollow">http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/</a><br />
(The Documentary Secret United Nations ICC Meeting Papers Scanned Images)</p>
<p>This legal technicality indicates the Hague must dismiss charges against Dr Karadzic and others awaiting trials in the Hague jail; like it or not.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for the Signatures Of the Rome Statute United Nations member states instituting the ICC &amp; ICTY housed at the Hague, insofar as the, Radovan Karadzic, as with the other Hague cases awaiting trial there, I personally witnessed these United Nations member states openly speaking about trading judicial appointments and verdicts for financial funding when I attended the 2001 ICC Preparatory Meetings at the UN in Manhattan making the iCTY and ICC morally incapable trying Radovan Karazdic and others.</p>
<p>I witnessed with my own eyes and ears when attending the 2001 Preparatory Meetings to establish an newly emergent International Criminal Court, the exact caliber of criminal corruption running so very deeply at the Hague, that it was a perfectly viable topic of legitimate conversation in those meetings I attended to debate trading verdicts AND judicial appointments, for monetary funding.</p>
<p>Jilly wrote:*The rep from Spain became distraught and when her country’s proposal was not taken to well by the chair of the meeting , then Spain argued in a particularly loud and noticably strongly vocal manner, “Spain (my country) strongly believes if we contribute most financial support to the Hague’s highest court, that ought to give us and other countries feeding it financially MORE direct power over its decisions.”</p>
<p>((((((((((((((((((((((((( ((((((((((((((((((((((((( Instead of censoring the country representative from Spain for even bringing up this unjust, illegal and unfair judicial idea of bribery for international judicial verdicts and judicial appointments, all country representatives present in the meeting that day all treated the Spain proposition as a ”totally legitimate topic” discussed and debated it between each other for some time. I was quite shocked!<br />
The idea was &#8220;let&#8217;s discuss it.&#8221; &#8220;It&#8217;s a great topic to discuss.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some countries agreed with Spain’s propositions while others did not. The point here is, bribery for judicial verdicts and judicial appointments was treated as a totally legitimate topic instead of an illegitimate toic which it is in the meeting that I attended in 2001 that day to establish the ground work for a newly emergent international criminal court.))))))))))))))))))))))))))))</p>
<p>In particular., since &#8220;Spain&#8221; was so overtly unafraid in bringing up this topic of trading financial funding the ICC for influence over its future judicial appointments and verdicts in front of every other UN member state present that day at the UN, &#8220;Spain&#8221; must have already known by previous experience the topic of bribery was &#8220;socially acceptable&#8221; for conversation that day. They must have previously spoke about bribing the ICTY and<br />
ICC before in meetings; this is my take an international sociological honor student. SPAIN&#8217;s diplomatic gesture of international justice insofar as, Serbia, in all of this is, disgusting morally!</p>
<p>SPAIN HAS TAUGHT THE WORLD THE TRUE DEFINITION OF AN<br />
&#8220;INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT.&#8221;</p>
<p>I remind everyone, when I attended those ICC Preparatory Meetings in 2001, witnessing first hand the country plenipotentiary representatives present with me discussing so openly, trading judicial funding of a new international criminal court, for its direct judicial appointments and judicial verdicts, those same state powers were</p>
<p>concurrently,</p>
<p>those same countries and people were already simultaneously, funding the already established ICTY which was issuing at that time, arrest warrants for Bosnian Serbs under false primary diplomatic pretenses.</p>
<p>The ICTY and ICC is just where it should be for once. Cornered and backed into and an international wall, scared like a corned animal (and I bet it reacts in the same way a rabid cornered animal does too in such circumstances). (ICTY associates)</p>
<p><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa" rel="nofollow">http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa</a><br />
(Documents: Hague war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) has destroyed all material evidence about the monsterous KLA Albanian/KLA organ trade in Kosovo).</p>
<p> I believe strongly that ICYU assocaites murdered former Serb President, Slobodan Milosevic, tried to murder me, as well and other Serbs prisoners and presently places , Doctor Radovan Karadzic’s life in direct danger as well as Ratko Mladic’s life<br />
in danger should he be brought there.</p>
<p>The ICTY has no other choice than to halt all further court proceedings against, Doctor Radovan Karadzic, and others there both serving sentences and awaiting trials. Miss JIll Louise Starr (The UN Security Council has no choice but to act on this now).</p>
<p>I accuse the Hague ICTY war crimes tribunal of attempted assassination on my life and others, contempt of court and obstruction of international justice and &#8220;international witness tampering&#8221; in complicity with Richard Holbrook and Bill Clinton (Former US President of the USA) as well as political players in Spain and the Netherlands .</p>
<p>I represented the state interests&#8217; of the Former Yugoslavia, in Darko Trifunovic’s absence in those meetings and I am proud to undertake this effort on Serbia’s behalf.</p>
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		<title>By: Boba</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/serbia-celebrates-karadizics-capture/#comment-92353</link>
		<dc:creator>Boba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trans-Balkan mafia is to be found in Kosovo and Metohija, i so-called Kosovo Parliament. Haradinaj, Cheku, Thaci et al. are first to be delivered to justice.
Tadic and his corrupt coalition partners will not get anything from the West for their miserable behaviour against the Serbian people.
As for Serbian people - they&#039;ll get more conditions to be fulfilled and never-ending demands from the West.
Jonathan go back to Ireland, your analysis from Belgrade is garbage.
Or, better yet write about Naser Oric and Islamic mafia in Bosnia and American/NATO direct involvement in the ethnic cleansing of Serbs in Croatia, Boanis, Kosovo-Metohija…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trans-Balkan mafia is to be found in Kosovo and Metohija, i so-called Kosovo Parliament. Haradinaj, Cheku, Thaci et al. are first to be delivered to justice.<br />
Tadic and his corrupt coalition partners will not get anything from the West for their miserable behaviour against the Serbian people.<br />
As for Serbian people &#8211; they&#8217;ll get more conditions to be fulfilled and never-ending demands from the West.<br />
Jonathan go back to Ireland, your analysis from Belgrade is garbage.<br />
Or, better yet write about Naser Oric and Islamic mafia in Bosnia and American/NATO direct involvement in the ethnic cleansing of Serbs in Croatia, Boanis, Kosovo-Metohija…</p>
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		<title>By: Kostas</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/serbia-celebrates-karadizics-capture/#comment-84985</link>
		<dc:creator>Kostas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NATO and the Western mass media told the public that the Bosnian Serbs had a racist and genocidal ideology, and committed atrocities.
Did they?
But it was Alija Izetbegovic, the leader of a minority Bosnian Muslim faction, the one that NATO supported, who wrote a book calling for the slaughter of infidels so that a Muslim takeover could install an Islamist theocracy in Bosnia.What is well documented, however, is that in the 1990s Alija Izetbegovic proudly recreated the SS Handzar Division that the Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin al Husseini had earlier created, for the German Nazis, out of tens of thousands of Bosnian Muslim volunteers (documented in  Part 2). This SS Handzar Division eagerly participated in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Serbian, Jewish, and Roma (Gypsy) civilians. It is not unreasonable to propose that if Alija Izetbegovic was proud enough of the WWII SS Handzar Division to recreate it in the 1990s, then perhaps he was a Handzar soldier during the World War.

That&#039;s way I say,once you get to know Izetbegovic, you are forced to ask this question: Isn&#039;t it more likely that the one killing innocent people in the 1990s was  Izetbegovic, and not the Serbs? Yes. Consistent with this expectation, every allegation against the Serbs evaporates into nothing the minute one investigates. The overwhelming, crushing bulk of the evidence supports the view that in the Yugoslavian civil wars of the 1990s the Serbs behaved much like did in WWII, when they were the staunchest defenders of the persecuted Jews in all of Europe. The portrait that was painted of the Serbs in the 1990s as &quot;the new Nazis&quot; is not only false, it is absurd. For this reason, the lies we were told about the Bosnian Serbs (repeated to this day) have required spectacular hoaxes, knowingly perpetrated by the Western mass media. These are easily shown to be false with a minimum of research, as for example the accusation that the Bosnian Serbs were running death camps</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NATO and the Western mass media told the public that the Bosnian Serbs had a racist and genocidal ideology, and committed atrocities.<br />
Did they?<br />
But it was Alija Izetbegovic, the leader of a minority Bosnian Muslim faction, the one that NATO supported, who wrote a book calling for the slaughter of infidels so that a Muslim takeover could install an Islamist theocracy in Bosnia.What is well documented, however, is that in the 1990s Alija Izetbegovic proudly recreated the SS Handzar Division that the Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin al Husseini had earlier created, for the German Nazis, out of tens of thousands of Bosnian Muslim volunteers (documented in  Part 2). This SS Handzar Division eagerly participated in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Serbian, Jewish, and Roma (Gypsy) civilians. It is not unreasonable to propose that if Alija Izetbegovic was proud enough of the WWII SS Handzar Division to recreate it in the 1990s, then perhaps he was a Handzar soldier during the World War.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s way I say,once you get to know Izetbegovic, you are forced to ask this question: Isn&#8217;t it more likely that the one killing innocent people in the 1990s was  Izetbegovic, and not the Serbs? Yes. Consistent with this expectation, every allegation against the Serbs evaporates into nothing the minute one investigates. The overwhelming, crushing bulk of the evidence supports the view that in the Yugoslavian civil wars of the 1990s the Serbs behaved much like did in WWII, when they were the staunchest defenders of the persecuted Jews in all of Europe. The portrait that was painted of the Serbs in the 1990s as &#8220;the new Nazis&#8221; is not only false, it is absurd. For this reason, the lies we were told about the Bosnian Serbs (repeated to this day) have required spectacular hoaxes, knowingly perpetrated by the Western mass media. These are easily shown to be false with a minimum of research, as for example the accusation that the Bosnian Serbs were running death camps</p>
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		<title>By: Bandow</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/serbia-celebrates-karadizics-capture/#comment-84814</link>
		<dc:creator>Bandow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A pervasive anti-Serb bias guarantees that the trial of Radovan Karadzic will be at least as unjust as was the sham trial of Slobodan Milosevic. For centuries, the strategic Balkan Peninsula has featured as a slice of Europe over which wars have been fought, treaties made and broken. It became a vital pawn in the carve-up of nations after World War i, had the boundaries of its ethnic enclaves confused under Tito’s regime, then its various nationalist feelings taken advantage of and played against each other in the latest push for its colonization by the EU.

Now, as a post-Milosevic charade is about to be resumed at The Hague with the arraignment of Radovan Karadzic, one thing is for certain. The foremost casualty will be the truth, the most condemned will become the Serb per se. The strange truth is that … great powers pay a fee for entering the Balkan casino. They consent to someone’s story, not ‘the truth’</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A pervasive anti-Serb bias guarantees that the trial of Radovan Karadzic will be at least as unjust as was the sham trial of Slobodan Milosevic. For centuries, the strategic Balkan Peninsula has featured as a slice of Europe over which wars have been fought, treaties made and broken. It became a vital pawn in the carve-up of nations after World War i, had the boundaries of its ethnic enclaves confused under Tito’s regime, then its various nationalist feelings taken advantage of and played against each other in the latest push for its colonization by the EU.</p>
<p>Now, as a post-Milosevic charade is about to be resumed at The Hague with the arraignment of Radovan Karadzic, one thing is for certain. The foremost casualty will be the truth, the most condemned will become the Serb per se. The strange truth is that … great powers pay a fee for entering the Balkan casino. They consent to someone’s story, not ‘the truth’</p>
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		<title>By: Sebaneau</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/serbia-celebrates-karadizics-capture/#comment-84626</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebaneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The initial appearance of Radovan Karadžić has been scheduled to take place Thursday, 31 July 2008 at 16:00 in Courtroom I before Judge Alphons Orie.
http://www.un.org/icty/pressreal/2008/pa345e.html


Several courts  of justice,  both NATIONAL and International,   have  found that Serbs committed genocide  in Bosnia-Herzegovina:

--On 12 July 2007  the European Court of Human Rights upheld  the conviction for &#039;&#039;genocide&#039;&#039; by the GERMAN courts of the Bosnian Serb paramilitary leader Nikola Jorgić. In Germany,  Jorgić had been convicted of having carried out &#039;&#039;genocide&#039;&#039; in the Doboj region in 1992.

--In a procedural ruling in the Milošević case of 16 June 2004, the Trial Chamber of the ICTY  had concluded that:

“there is sufficient evidence that &#039;&#039;genocide&#039;&#039; was committed in Brčko, Prijedor, Sanski Most, Srebrenica, Bijeljina, Ključ and Bosanski Novi”.

--The Srebrenica genocide  was also recognized by the International Court of Justice. 
srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/2008/04/open-letter-by-54-academics.html

--Most recently,  another NATIONAL court, this time in Bosnia-Herzegovina,  convicted seven Serb murderers  for the Srebrenica genocide:
srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/2008/07/7-serbs-convicted-srebrenica-genocide.html

Thus,  it is a legally established fact in NATIONAL jurisprudence  as well as in international law.
And since genocide in Bosnia-Herzegovina on the part of the Serbs  was proved before several NATIONAL courts as well as by international tribunals,  the attempt to discredit that finding on account of an alleged &quot;internationalist&quot; ideology on the part of the judges fails --in addition to being an ad hominem fallacy.


The charge that Serbia was targeted  because it refused to yield to Internationalist Socialist Pseudo-Democracy is being made in disregard of the facts: 

The Serbian leadership violated the &quot;independence and sovereignty&quot; of the Republic  of Croatia -- a &quot;STATE&quot;  according to  the Yugoslav Federal Constitution of 1974--

--when it fomented a separatist uprising of the Serbs in the Knin region in August 1990,  and  

--when it launched  a conventional military invasion and extermination attempt in August 1991 against said Republic  of Croatia after it had illegally usurped the power of the Yugoslav presidency. 

The de facto state of &quot;Federal Republic of Yugoslavia&quot;  violated the SOVEREIGNTY of two internationally recognized states:  

--The internationally recognized  SOVEREIGNTY of the state  of Croatia as it maintained separatist Serb enclaves  on its territory from January 1992 to 1998 and

--The internationally recognized  SOVEREIGNTY of the state  of Bosnia-Herzegovina starting April 6, 1992  --until at least July 2001 when it stopped  paying the wages of the officers in the separatist Serb army there,  as it launched  a war of conquest and extermination to destroy said  internationally recognized  SOVEREIGN state  of Bosnia-Herzegovina.

The INTERNATIONALIST UN Security Council voted in September 1991 a resolution which banned sending weapons to Yugoslavia,  something  which  hampered the defense against anti-Constitutional and later International Serbian aggression upon the &quot;independent and sovereign&quot; Republic of Croatia.

That same INTERNATIONALIST arms embargo  prevented the equally &quot;independent and sovereign state&quot; of Bosnia-Herzegovina  from defending itself  against INTERNATIONAL aggression from the so-called &quot;Federal Republic of Yugoslavia&quot;  after its  &quot;independence and sovereignty&quot; had been internationally recognized starting April 1992.

Said INTERNATIONALIST arms embargo was passed and enforced during most of the Bosnian war because the United States  did virtually nothing  against Serbian aggression until February 1994 --that is,  FIVE years and a half after the Serbian leadership had stated destroying the Federal Constitutional order of Yugoslavia --with the so-called &quot;Yoghurt revolution&quot; in Voivodina,  and because several other  governments were  the accomplices  of Serbian INTERNATIONAL aggression: 

--the British government until September 1995 and  

--the French government until June 1993.
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/22/radovankaradzic.warcrimes2

It is therefore quite obvious that the charges made against the Serbian leadership  are NOT a disingenuous  assault on the part of  Internationalist Pseudo-Democratic Socialists against genuine nationalists,  but on the contrary a BELATED reaction of NORMAL people to an absurdly aggressive  PSEUDO-NATIONALISM  which DENIES THE RIGHTS OF OTHER NATIONS,  in obvious contravention to the COHERENT  nationalist principle formulated by French NATIONALIST Jean-Marie Le Pen:

     &quot;Nationalists of all countries, unite&quot;.

It is also quite evident that the Greater-Serbian project  has been pursued  since the late 19th century at the expense of the Serbian people  and AGAINST ITS INTERESTS.
docs.google.com/Doc?id=dc2m8p62_29cms7zccs

It was upon that reasoning that NORMAL Serbian politicians Marko Nikezić and Latinka Perović  drew the blueprint for the 1974 Constitution,  which is still the legal basis  for the independences of the former Yugoslav republics  and autonomous province:  not because they didn&#039;t care  about Serbia&#039;s interests,  but because they did.
docs.google.com/Doc?id=dc2m8p62_1314b7gs4cp

Accordingly,  the independence  and international recognition of MONOETHNICALLY ALBANIAN Kosovo is being made in accordance  with that same principle of NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY,  the only  departure  from said principle coming from the remnants of international colonialism,  which has replaced Serbian COLONIALISM there.
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmfaff/28/28ap20.htm  


Yet, since a debate upon what is called &quot;the rules of EVIDENCE&quot; in judicial procedure might still be relevant,  it might be interesting to witness the way some PSEUDO-nationalist critics of Internationalist Pseudo-Democratic Socialism deal with such EVIDENCE:  

&quot;According to the French philosopher Jean Baudrillard, there is no such thing as reality – only a system of arbitrary signs, imagistic discourses and `multiple refractions in hyperspace&#039;. Hence the title of his most notorious book, &#039;The Gulf War Did Not Take Place&#039;. 
&quot;Even Baudrillard, however, might raise an eyebrow at a headline in the current issue of the &#039;Spectator&#039;: 

&quot;`The Massacres That Never Were. Contrary to propaganda, mass graves in Kosovo are a myth, says John Laughland.&#039; 

&quot;Since Laughland is a former lecturer at the Sorbonne, you might assume that this is just another exercise in `playful post-modernism&#039; or some such twaddle. 
&quot;But he is entirely serious. 
&quot;Laughland says that NATO maintained public support for its Balkan intervention by pretending that Serbian security forces and paramilitaries had massacred many thousands of Kosovans. 

&quot;&#039;Of the impact such stories had, there can certainly be no doubt whatever; their veracity, however, is a different matter.&#039; 

&quot;The true death toll, he reckons, is probably no more than a few hundred. 

&quot;This revisionist account  is also having quite an impact:  its allegations have been repeated in a full-page article in the Sunday Times, and are being assiduously peddled by Stratfor, an online think-tank based in Texas [which has never showed any understanding of such matters].
&quot;Their veracity, however, is quite another matter. 

&quot;Let&#039;s begin with NATO&#039;s alleged hyperbole. 

&quot;&#039;On May 16, the US defence secretary, William Cohen, said that Yugoslav army forces had killed up to 100,000 Albanian men of military age,&#039; 

&quot;Laughland writes.

&quot;&#039;Tony Blair himself implied that the numbers might be even higher when he wrote in the Times on June 5, 

&quot;&#039;We must be ready for what we know will be clear evidence of... as yet unknown numbers of people missing, tortured and dead.&#039;

&quot;What William Cohen ACTUALLY said, on the American TV programme &#039;Face the Nation&#039;, was that 100,000 men of military age &#039;are missing&#039;. 
As for the death toll, he continued: 

&quot;&#039;We have had reports that as many as 4,600 have been executed, but I suspect it&#039;s far higher than that.&#039; 

&quot;NOT QUITE the same as asserting that all 100,000 of them had been killed. 

&quot;NOR did Tony Blair imply a total &#039;even higher&#039; than 100,000  in his article of June 5. 
He gave NO FIGURES AT ALL, predicting only that journalists and peacekeepers entering Kosovo would find &#039;evidence of appalling atrocities and unbelievable cruelties&#039;. 

&quot;And so they did. By June 16, the Foreign Office minister Geoff Hoon felt able to give a rough estimate. 

&quot;&#039;According to the reports we have gathered, it appears that around 10,000 people have been killed in more than 100 massacres.&#039; 

&quot;Laughland dismisses this as `fantasy&#039; --and quotes a most surprising source to prove it. 
Paul Risley,  the spokesman for the international war-crimes prosecutor,  apparently told him that 

&quot;&#039;a whole string of sites where atrocities were allegedly committed have revealed no bodies at all&#039;, 

&quot;adding that there were `not very many&#039; mass graves. 

&quot;&#039;THE GUY&#039;S A COMPLETE ASSHOLE,&#039;  Risley told me this week, when I reached him by phone in Sarajevo.

&quot;&#039;I SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT. We have over 500 &quot;scenes of crime&#039;&#039;, and many of them are mass graves.&#039; 

[529 mass graves had been found when exhumation stopped in November 1999,  after more than 2,000 bodies had been retrieved]

&quot;Of these 500 sites, only 150 have been investigated so far; the rest will not be dug up until next spring.  (As Risley points out, you can&#039;t do exhumations when the ground is frozen.) 

&quot;&#039;So,&#039; Laughland demands impatiently, &#039;what is the final body count?&#039; 

&quot;The question is absurd.  After the Paddington rail crash,  we had to wait for many days  before the police issued  a definitive list of victims.  If it took so long to identify odd fragments of bone in one railway carriage, imagine the difficulty of searching an entire country – especially one where the retreating Serb forces did their best to destroy or hide the evidence of their crimes. 

[a little less than 2,000 have been found in Serbia proper,  where  they had been brought to suppress the evidence
www.freeserbia.net/Articles/2002/Atrocity.html]

&quot;Nevertheless, the tribunal&#039;s prosecutor,  Carla Del Ponte, will present an interim report to the United Nations  in the next two or three weeks. 

&quot;Laughland notes that a group of Spanish inspectors &#039;only found 187 cadavers&#039; in Kosovo this summer,  as if this proves his hunch that `the number of bodies discovered to date is in the hundreds&#039;. 
&quot;But the Spaniards comprised only one of 20 forensic teams. 

[and they were assigned to the Llap region close to the border of Serbia,  where it was easy to bring them]

A squad of experts from the FBI, who arrived in the town of Gjakova at the end of June, retrieved 200 corpses within five days. 

&quot;If these results are at all typical,  the number of bodies already identified must be at least 3,000. 
&quot;And, I repeat, the tribunal&#039;s gumshoes have visited only 150 of the 500 `scenes of crime&#039;. All this suggests that Hoon&#039;s figure of 10,000 was remarkably accurate. 

[It was indeed:  the Catholic episcopate in Prizren says 12,500 Kosovars were killed during that war,  that is,  from the first massacres in late February 1998 to the Kumanovo agreement  of June 1999.]

&quot;We shall never know the exact total, of course – just as we still don&#039;t have a final tally of those massacred at Srebrenica, more than four years ago. 

[The current estimate about the Srebrenica genocide is of more than 8,000 killed]

&quot;`We do not anticipate recovering every body,&#039; 

&quot;Risley says. 

&quot;`There&#039;s compelling evidence of tampering with evidence, and attempts to destroy the bodies of victims.&#039; 

&quot;Even so, we get the picture;  and those who seek to deny the scale and brutality of `ethnic cleansing&#039;  should watch John Sweeney&#039;s film &#039;Prime Suspects&#039;, to be shown on Channel 4 tomorrow at 9.30 p.m.,  which describes how more than 100 people were lined up and shot dead in a hay barn in just one small Kosovo village. 
None of the bodies has been recovered: the killers blew up the barn, leaving nothing but two huge holes in the earth.  Laughland and his fellow revisionists could therefore argue that the deaths were yet another `fantasy&#039;,  a Baudrillard-style refraction in hyperspace. 
No doubt Rasim Batusha, who lost 22 members of his family in the massacre,  will find this a great consolation.&quot;
Francis Wheen,  &quot;Death and Denial in Kosova&quot;, The Guardian,  3 November 1999
docs.google.com/Doc?id=dc2m8p62_195f8mhbsgc

For those  who do not think that  flawed a priori political reasoning  is a substitute  for knowledge  of the facts,  and  happen to care  about what happened in Srebrenica in 1995,  here  are some adequate  sources:

srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/
www.glypx.com/BalkanWitness/Srebrenica-debate.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The initial appearance of Radovan Karadžić has been scheduled to take place Thursday, 31 July 2008 at 16:00 in Courtroom I before Judge Alphons Orie.<br />
<a href="http://www.un.org/icty/pressreal/2008/pa345e.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.un.org/icty/pressreal/2008/pa345e.html</a></p>
<p>Several courts  of justice,  both NATIONAL and International,   have  found that Serbs committed genocide  in Bosnia-Herzegovina:</p>
<p>&#8211;On 12 July 2007  the European Court of Human Rights upheld  the conviction for &#8221;genocide&#8221; by the GERMAN courts of the Bosnian Serb paramilitary leader Nikola Jorgić. In Germany,  Jorgić had been convicted of having carried out &#8221;genocide&#8221; in the Doboj region in 1992.</p>
<p>&#8211;In a procedural ruling in the Milošević case of 16 June 2004, the Trial Chamber of the ICTY  had concluded that:</p>
<p>“there is sufficient evidence that &#8221;genocide&#8221; was committed in Brčko, Prijedor, Sanski Most, Srebrenica, Bijeljina, Ključ and Bosanski Novi”.</p>
<p>&#8211;The Srebrenica genocide  was also recognized by the International Court of Justice.<br />
srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/2008/04/open-letter-by-54-academics.html</p>
<p>&#8211;Most recently,  another NATIONAL court, this time in Bosnia-Herzegovina,  convicted seven Serb murderers  for the Srebrenica genocide:<br />
srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/2008/07/7-serbs-convicted-srebrenica-genocide.html</p>
<p>Thus,  it is a legally established fact in NATIONAL jurisprudence  as well as in international law.<br />
And since genocide in Bosnia-Herzegovina on the part of the Serbs  was proved before several NATIONAL courts as well as by international tribunals,  the attempt to discredit that finding on account of an alleged &#8220;internationalist&#8221; ideology on the part of the judges fails &#8211;in addition to being an ad hominem fallacy.</p>
<p>The charge that Serbia was targeted  because it refused to yield to Internationalist Socialist Pseudo-Democracy is being made in disregard of the facts: </p>
<p>The Serbian leadership violated the &#8220;independence and sovereignty&#8221; of the Republic  of Croatia &#8212; a &#8220;STATE&#8221;  according to  the Yugoslav Federal Constitution of 1974&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8211;when it fomented a separatist uprising of the Serbs in the Knin region in August 1990,  and  </p>
<p>&#8211;when it launched  a conventional military invasion and extermination attempt in August 1991 against said Republic  of Croatia after it had illegally usurped the power of the Yugoslav presidency. </p>
<p>The de facto state of &#8220;Federal Republic of Yugoslavia&#8221;  violated the SOVEREIGNTY of two internationally recognized states:  </p>
<p>&#8211;The internationally recognized  SOVEREIGNTY of the state  of Croatia as it maintained separatist Serb enclaves  on its territory from January 1992 to 1998 and</p>
<p>&#8211;The internationally recognized  SOVEREIGNTY of the state  of Bosnia-Herzegovina starting April 6, 1992  &#8211;until at least July 2001 when it stopped  paying the wages of the officers in the separatist Serb army there,  as it launched  a war of conquest and extermination to destroy said  internationally recognized  SOVEREIGN state  of Bosnia-Herzegovina.</p>
<p>The INTERNATIONALIST UN Security Council voted in September 1991 a resolution which banned sending weapons to Yugoslavia,  something  which  hampered the defense against anti-Constitutional and later International Serbian aggression upon the &#8220;independent and sovereign&#8221; Republic of Croatia.</p>
<p>That same INTERNATIONALIST arms embargo  prevented the equally &#8220;independent and sovereign state&#8221; of Bosnia-Herzegovina  from defending itself  against INTERNATIONAL aggression from the so-called &#8220;Federal Republic of Yugoslavia&#8221;  after its  &#8220;independence and sovereignty&#8221; had been internationally recognized starting April 1992.</p>
<p>Said INTERNATIONALIST arms embargo was passed and enforced during most of the Bosnian war because the United States  did virtually nothing  against Serbian aggression until February 1994 &#8211;that is,  FIVE years and a half after the Serbian leadership had stated destroying the Federal Constitutional order of Yugoslavia &#8211;with the so-called &#8220;Yoghurt revolution&#8221; in Voivodina,  and because several other  governments were  the accomplices  of Serbian INTERNATIONAL aggression: </p>
<p>&#8211;the British government until September 1995 and  </p>
<p>&#8211;the French government until June 1993.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/22/radovankaradzic.warcrimes2" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/22/radovankaradzic.warcrimes2</a></p>
<p>It is therefore quite obvious that the charges made against the Serbian leadership  are NOT a disingenuous  assault on the part of  Internationalist Pseudo-Democratic Socialists against genuine nationalists,  but on the contrary a BELATED reaction of NORMAL people to an absurdly aggressive  PSEUDO-NATIONALISM  which DENIES THE RIGHTS OF OTHER NATIONS,  in obvious contravention to the COHERENT  nationalist principle formulated by French NATIONALIST Jean-Marie Le Pen:</p>
<p>     &#8220;Nationalists of all countries, unite&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is also quite evident that the Greater-Serbian project  has been pursued  since the late 19th century at the expense of the Serbian people  and AGAINST ITS INTERESTS.<br />
docs.google.com/Doc?id=dc2m8p62_29cms7zccs</p>
<p>It was upon that reasoning that NORMAL Serbian politicians Marko Nikezić and Latinka Perović  drew the blueprint for the 1974 Constitution,  which is still the legal basis  for the independences of the former Yugoslav republics  and autonomous province:  not because they didn&#8217;t care  about Serbia&#8217;s interests,  but because they did.<br />
docs.google.com/Doc?id=dc2m8p62_1314b7gs4cp</p>
<p>Accordingly,  the independence  and international recognition of MONOETHNICALLY ALBANIAN Kosovo is being made in accordance  with that same principle of NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY,  the only  departure  from said principle coming from the remnants of international colonialism,  which has replaced Serbian COLONIALISM there.<br />
<a href="http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmfaff/28/28ap20.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmfaff/28/28ap20.htm</a>  </p>
<p>Yet, since a debate upon what is called &#8220;the rules of EVIDENCE&#8221; in judicial procedure might still be relevant,  it might be interesting to witness the way some PSEUDO-nationalist critics of Internationalist Pseudo-Democratic Socialism deal with such EVIDENCE:  </p>
<p>&#8220;According to the French philosopher Jean Baudrillard, there is no such thing as reality – only a system of arbitrary signs, imagistic discourses and `multiple refractions in hyperspace&#8217;. Hence the title of his most notorious book, &#8216;The Gulf War Did Not Take Place&#8217;.<br />
&#8220;Even Baudrillard, however, might raise an eyebrow at a headline in the current issue of the &#8216;Spectator&#8217;: </p>
<p>&#8220;`The Massacres That Never Were. Contrary to propaganda, mass graves in Kosovo are a myth, says John Laughland.&#8217; </p>
<p>&#8220;Since Laughland is a former lecturer at the Sorbonne, you might assume that this is just another exercise in `playful post-modernism&#8217; or some such twaddle.<br />
&#8220;But he is entirely serious.<br />
&#8220;Laughland says that NATO maintained public support for its Balkan intervention by pretending that Serbian security forces and paramilitaries had massacred many thousands of Kosovans. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Of the impact such stories had, there can certainly be no doubt whatever; their veracity, however, is a different matter.&#8217; </p>
<p>&#8220;The true death toll, he reckons, is probably no more than a few hundred. </p>
<p>&#8220;This revisionist account  is also having quite an impact:  its allegations have been repeated in a full-page article in the Sunday Times, and are being assiduously peddled by Stratfor, an online think-tank based in Texas [which has never showed any understanding of such matters].<br />
&#8220;Their veracity, however, is quite another matter. </p>
<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s begin with NATO&#8217;s alleged hyperbole. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;On May 16, the US defence secretary, William Cohen, said that Yugoslav army forces had killed up to 100,000 Albanian men of military age,&#8217; </p>
<p>&#8220;Laughland writes.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Tony Blair himself implied that the numbers might be even higher when he wrote in the Times on June 5, </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;We must be ready for what we know will be clear evidence of&#8230; as yet unknown numbers of people missing, tortured and dead.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;What William Cohen ACTUALLY said, on the American TV programme &#8216;Face the Nation&#8217;, was that 100,000 men of military age &#8216;are missing&#8217;.<br />
As for the death toll, he continued: </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;We have had reports that as many as 4,600 have been executed, but I suspect it&#8217;s far higher than that.&#8217; </p>
<p>&#8220;NOT QUITE the same as asserting that all 100,000 of them had been killed. </p>
<p>&#8220;NOR did Tony Blair imply a total &#8216;even higher&#8217; than 100,000  in his article of June 5.<br />
He gave NO FIGURES AT ALL, predicting only that journalists and peacekeepers entering Kosovo would find &#8216;evidence of appalling atrocities and unbelievable cruelties&#8217;. </p>
<p>&#8220;And so they did. By June 16, the Foreign Office minister Geoff Hoon felt able to give a rough estimate. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;According to the reports we have gathered, it appears that around 10,000 people have been killed in more than 100 massacres.&#8217; </p>
<p>&#8220;Laughland dismisses this as `fantasy&#8217; &#8211;and quotes a most surprising source to prove it.<br />
Paul Risley,  the spokesman for the international war-crimes prosecutor,  apparently told him that </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;a whole string of sites where atrocities were allegedly committed have revealed no bodies at all&#8217;, </p>
<p>&#8220;adding that there were `not very many&#8217; mass graves. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;THE GUY&#8217;S A COMPLETE ASSHOLE,&#8217;  Risley told me this week, when I reached him by phone in Sarajevo.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;I SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT. We have over 500 &#8220;scenes of crime&#8221;, and many of them are mass graves.&#8217; </p>
<p>[529 mass graves had been found when exhumation stopped in November 1999,  after more than 2,000 bodies had been retrieved]</p>
<p>&#8220;Of these 500 sites, only 150 have been investigated so far; the rest will not be dug up until next spring.  (As Risley points out, you can&#8217;t do exhumations when the ground is frozen.) </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;So,&#8217; Laughland demands impatiently, &#8216;what is the final body count?&#8217; </p>
<p>&#8220;The question is absurd.  After the Paddington rail crash,  we had to wait for many days  before the police issued  a definitive list of victims.  If it took so long to identify odd fragments of bone in one railway carriage, imagine the difficulty of searching an entire country – especially one where the retreating Serb forces did their best to destroy or hide the evidence of their crimes. </p>
<p>[a little less than 2,000 have been found in Serbia proper,  where  they had been brought to suppress the evidence<br />
<a href="http://www.freeserbia.net/Articles/2002/Atrocity.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.freeserbia.net/Articles/2002/Atrocity.html</a></p>
<p>"Nevertheless, the tribunal's prosecutor,  Carla Del Ponte, will present an interim report to the United Nations  in the next two or three weeks. </p>
<p>"Laughland notes that a group of Spanish inspectors 'only found 187 cadavers' in Kosovo this summer,  as if this proves his hunch that `the number of bodies discovered to date is in the hundreds'.<br />
"But the Spaniards comprised only one of 20 forensic teams. </p>
<p>[and they were assigned to the Llap region close to the border of Serbia,  where it was easy to bring them]</p>
<p>A squad of experts from the FBI, who arrived in the town of Gjakova at the end of June, retrieved 200 corpses within five days. </p>
<p>&#8220;If these results are at all typical,  the number of bodies already identified must be at least 3,000.<br />
&#8220;And, I repeat, the tribunal&#8217;s gumshoes have visited only 150 of the 500 `scenes of crime&#8217;. All this suggests that Hoon&#8217;s figure of 10,000 was remarkably accurate. </p>
<p>[It was indeed:  the Catholic episcopate in Prizren says 12,500 Kosovars were killed during that war,  that is,  from the first massacres in late February 1998 to the Kumanovo agreement  of June 1999.]</p>
<p>&#8220;We shall never know the exact total, of course – just as we still don&#8217;t have a final tally of those massacred at Srebrenica, more than four years ago. </p>
<p>[The current estimate about the Srebrenica genocide is of more than 8,000 killed]</p>
<p>&#8220;`We do not anticipate recovering every body,&#8217; </p>
<p>&#8220;Risley says. </p>
<p>&#8220;`There&#8217;s compelling evidence of tampering with evidence, and attempts to destroy the bodies of victims.&#8217; </p>
<p>&#8220;Even so, we get the picture;  and those who seek to deny the scale and brutality of `ethnic cleansing&#8217;  should watch John Sweeney&#8217;s film &#8216;Prime Suspects&#8217;, to be shown on Channel 4 tomorrow at 9.30 p.m.,  which describes how more than 100 people were lined up and shot dead in a hay barn in just one small Kosovo village.<br />
None of the bodies has been recovered: the killers blew up the barn, leaving nothing but two huge holes in the earth.  Laughland and his fellow revisionists could therefore argue that the deaths were yet another `fantasy&#8217;,  a Baudrillard-style refraction in hyperspace.<br />
No doubt Rasim Batusha, who lost 22 members of his family in the massacre,  will find this a great consolation.&#8221;<br />
Francis Wheen,  &#8220;Death and Denial in Kosova&#8221;, The Guardian,  3 November 1999<br />
docs.google.com/Doc?id=dc2m8p62_195f8mhbsgc</p>
<p>For those  who do not think that  flawed a priori political reasoning  is a substitute  for knowledge  of the facts,  and  happen to care  about what happened in Srebrenica in 1995,  here  are some adequate  sources:</p>
<p>srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/<br />
<a href="http://www.glypx.com/BalkanWitness/Srebrenica-debate.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.glypx.com/BalkanWitness/Srebrenica-debate.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sebaneau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebaneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was no more &quot;Yugoslav army&quot; after said Yugoslav army destroyed the Yugoslav Constitution in March 1989. 
It was a Serbolshevik army from then on,  and everyone but the Serbs  left it when it attacked  Slovenia in June  1991,  which temporarily impaired its  operational capability.
If only Tuđman,  who had left it in 1967 and didn&#039;t understand  how much it relied  on non-Serbs for  demographic  and technical reasons,  had heeded the advice  of generals Špegelj and Tus to seize  its material hoarded  in barracks,  and make good on his commitment to help Slovenia...
The war in Croatia would have lasted  three weeks  and there would have been none in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Bosnia-Herzegovina didn&#039;t &quot;leave Yugoslavia&quot;;  two thirds of its voters refused to join the shotgun marriage of Serbia, Kosovo and Montenegro  which  Milošević called the &quot;Federal Republic of Yugoslavia&quot; in order to fool the ignorant,  and  they chose instead  to express the &quot;sovereignty&quot;  which the 1974 Constitution granted their &quot;state&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was no more &#8220;Yugoslav army&#8221; after said Yugoslav army destroyed the Yugoslav Constitution in March 1989.<br />
It was a Serbolshevik army from then on,  and everyone but the Serbs  left it when it attacked  Slovenia in June  1991,  which temporarily impaired its  operational capability.<br />
If only Tuđman,  who had left it in 1967 and didn&#8217;t understand  how much it relied  on non-Serbs for  demographic  and technical reasons,  had heeded the advice  of generals Špegelj and Tus to seize  its material hoarded  in barracks,  and make good on his commitment to help Slovenia&#8230;<br />
The war in Croatia would have lasted  three weeks  and there would have been none in Bosnia-Herzegovina.</p>
<p>Bosnia-Herzegovina didn&#8217;t &#8220;leave Yugoslavia&#8221;;  two thirds of its voters refused to join the shotgun marriage of Serbia, Kosovo and Montenegro  which  Milošević called the &#8220;Federal Republic of Yugoslavia&#8221; in order to fool the ignorant,  and  they chose instead  to express the &#8220;sovereignty&#8221;  which the 1974 Constitution granted their &#8220;state&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: dennisw</title>
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		<dc:creator>dennisw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and one more thing...After ~18 years of Balkan wars what do the Muslims have?

They have a Muslim Kosovo for a Europeans drug dealing base. Base for other Europe-wide criminality too
They have a Muslim Bosnia
18 years ago they had neither. How exactly did Muslims come out short on all this?
I guarantee you Muslim don&#039;t care about 3,000 Muslims dying since in the wider context they got Kosovo and Bosnia. They&#039;ll call the 3,000 martyrs and happily move on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and one more thing&#8230;After ~18 years of Balkan wars what do the Muslims have?</p>
<p>They have a Muslim Kosovo for a Europeans drug dealing base. Base for other Europe-wide criminality too<br />
They have a Muslim Bosnia<br />
18 years ago they had neither. How exactly did Muslims come out short on all this?<br />
I guarantee you Muslim don&#8217;t care about 3,000 Muslims dying since in the wider context they got Kosovo and Bosnia. They&#8217;ll call the 3,000 martyrs and happily move on</p>
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		<title>By: dennisw</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My advice to wideawake is to never bet on Jihad and never bet on the truthfulness of Muslims. Jihad is eternal no matter how many Radovan Karadzic killed. If they say he killed 20,000 Muslims, he really killed 3,000

3,000 is nothing compared to Muslim massacres such as the 80 million Hindus killed over 3 centuries by Muslim barbarians or the 2 million Christian Armenians Greeks Syrians killed by the Turks circa 1920

Never bet on Jihad. Remember that if you remember nothing else</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My advice to wideawake is to never bet on Jihad and never bet on the truthfulness of Muslims. Jihad is eternal no matter how many Radovan Karadzic killed. If they say he killed 20,000 Muslims, he really killed 3,000</p>
<p>3,000 is nothing compared to Muslim massacres such as the 80 million Hindus killed over 3 centuries by Muslim barbarians or the 2 million Christian Armenians Greeks Syrians killed by the Turks circa 1920</p>
<p>Never bet on Jihad. Remember that if you remember nothing else</p>
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		<title>By: Elroy Jetson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elroy Jetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the commentators here present interesting points.  As an American who firmly believed that there were clear-cut heroes and villains in the Balkan war of the early 1990s, I can say now that my mind has been altered and I have started to wonder if we did not handle the situation in the fairest way possible.  The fact that the Muslims left the Yugoslav army in droves and formed their own militia was in and of itself an act of aggression.  
I can understand why we didn&#039;t get a lick of goodwill from the Islamic world defending the Bosnian Muslims.  We were unexpected but beneficial fools in the game to those who wished to see Islamic expansion in SE Europe.
What&#039;s next?  Will the areas Muslims become more emboldened by a President Obama, or a President McCain (who would continue the policies of the past)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the commentators here present interesting points.  As an American who firmly believed that there were clear-cut heroes and villains in the Balkan war of the early 1990s, I can say now that my mind has been altered and I have started to wonder if we did not handle the situation in the fairest way possible.  The fact that the Muslims left the Yugoslav army in droves and formed their own militia was in and of itself an act of aggression.<br />
I can understand why we didn&#8217;t get a lick of goodwill from the Islamic world defending the Bosnian Muslims.  We were unexpected but beneficial fools in the game to those who wished to see Islamic expansion in SE Europe.<br />
What&#8217;s next?  Will the areas Muslims become more emboldened by a President Obama, or a President McCain (who would continue the policies of the past)?</p>
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