Second Amendment Under Fire: Gun Ownership in the Obama Era
Not to be outdone by these other citizen-loathing Chicago Democrats, Congressman Bobby Rush has introduced H.R.45, the Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, into the U.S. Congress. This legislation would subject the rest of the nation to a massive gun registration and owner licensing and tracking scheme. It would not only require all handgun owners in the United States to register their sidearms with the federal government, but also owners of any semi-automatic firearms, including the most common handguns, shotguns, and rifles.
The bill, which has no co-sponsors to date, also imposes an onerous licensing procedure that would require gun owners to submit to intensive background checks and pay as-yet-undetermined renewal fees every five years.
Rush’s bill would dictate how firearms are stored in a gun owner’s home, essentially making it impossible to defend one’s home by making it illegal to store a gun where it can be readily accessed. It would also allow the federal government to revoke your permit if you move and fail to provide a change of address within 60 days. Perhaps the most ominous aspect of the former Black Panther’s bill is that it would create a federal database of all gun owners and the firearms they own, making it ripe for abuse or confiscation.
There is something deeply sinister about the psychology of elected officials who desire to track every firearm and firearm owner in America, shadowing them from one location to another under the threat of federal law.
There is something truly disturbing about the kind of man who would attempt to trick his constituents and fellow citizens into choosing between standing behind first principles or becoming a felon.
And there is something truly alarming about a president who will risk the lives of police officers and informants and remove the teeth of our Republic in a career-long pursuit to gut a key element of the Constitution — as if it threatens his long-term political agenda.
I’m going to place the blame squarely on the people of Illinois for electing these malicious idiots and tolerating their corruption.
It will be interesting to see if even the non-thinking of inhabitants of my former state continue to elect the trash the first poster describes most accurately. There has to be a level of tolerance that will be exceed even amongst the brain dead.
With the highest murder rate in the country they have to figure out that their current system is not working particularly when they have data available from Florida and other CCW states where the violence rates dropped dramatically when the average citizen could defend themselves.
I don’t suppose anybody would suggest that these proposals could justifiably be referred to as Jim Crow laws for gun owners. Perhaps we should revisit voting rights for the uneducated, non-property owning underclasses of America. Personally, I think a high school diploma, a clean criminal history, a clean background check with employment history, and evidence of real estate ownership should all be required before being given the sacred right of voting.
Am I missing something here? Seems fair to me if Rush’s thinking about gun rights is constitutionally correct.
It’s not the people of Illinois. It’s the people of Chicago. The sponsor of this bill (Dunkin) and the sponsor of HR45 (Rush) are both from Chicago and will be reelected as long as they want to run – not matter how clueless they are.
Unfortunately, Canuck and Al, the votes not just due to the brain-dead, but, Chicago being Chicago, the actual dead as well.
I don’t buy the “it’s Chicago” line at all. I lived in Illinois for a few years, and downstate is filled with just as many clueless rural lifelong democrats as Chicago is. Maybe they actually get some conservatives elected downstate, but they contribute to the national democrat problem just as much as your standard ACORN foot soldier.
The methods of the Chicago Machine were outlined decades ago in the classic Mike Royko book, “Boss.” The key is the patronage army: The more people you can put on the city, county, state and/federal payroll, creating dependency on government for their jobs, the more support you will have come election day. The rest you keep sedated with welfare payments and other handouts.
Why do you think the spawn of the Machine — whether they operate in downstate Illinois or the White House — focus on increasing the power and influence of the government? Why do you think the president talks about creating 3.5 (or is it 4?) million jobs, “90% of which are private sector,” meaning 350,000 ADDITIONAL government employees?
This is why Illinoisans vote Democrat. Too many of their jobs and livelihoods depend on the party.
I’ve always wondered what an occupation census would reveal about Democrat-heavy neighborhoods; I’d be willing to bet that the vast majority of households are dependent on government, either for welfare payments or jobs.
The people of America just elected this same Chicago Machine to the highest level in this country and should not be surprised that what goes on in Illinois is coming soon to a state and municipality near you.
This it just another step in the Socialist program. If you can’t disarm your population make it too expensive to own firearms.
The Rush bill hr45 is a rip off of Canadas firearm legislation bill c-83,which by the way the federal Conservative government wants to dimantle.Reason it went from a 2 million dollar anti crime joke to a 2 billion dollar beauocracy which did nothing to prevent criminals from having firearms.Basically it was designed to disarm the law abiding public by red tape and expense.
What firearms? I lost all of mine in a tragic boating accident. What a shame.
Yet another attempt to destroy the free citizen’s right to self defense.
It’s quite useless to point out to these fascists that gun laws don’t work to slow or prevent crime, as they already know that.
So what do the anti-gun folks really want? As the areas of the country with the strictest firearm laws have much higher rates of crime than areas with little or no regulation, I can only believe that the anti-gun folks’ goal is to engineer a society where the average citizen lives in continual fear of crime and the government.
Join the NRA.
see #10.
Scott, I too have had an unfortunate experience in which all my guns and ammo were stolen from my car, twice.
10. Scott:
What firearms? I lost all of mine in a tragic boating accident. What a shame.
Feb 25, 2009 – 8:12 am
LOL!
I just started a new job in Cincinnati, but thinking of living in Kentucky just because of the wonderfully open conceal carry laws.
What if they made a bill that everyone refused to adhere to. The only way we can be disarmed is if we passively turn over our weapons. It definitely won’t happen in the area I live in. We’ll just hide our weapons and if we have to use them the perp will just disappear. Moved no forwarding address. Such is the way of life. If seems our government is intent upon making most of us into criminals in one way or another.
Scott’s got the right idea. I suspect that many patriotic, second-amendment Americans, presented with “choosing between standing behind first principles or becoming a felon” will break the law. God bless every one of them.
I would argue that whatever standard is used for the sacred right of voting should be used for the right to own a gun. Really, does it need to be more complicated than that? If it is ok to let Felon’s vote, then give em guns. If it is too dangerous to let felon’s have guns.. then don’t let them vote. Same with ID checks,etc.
Simple concept.
Hat’s off to Bobdog.. #3. I agree
Gentlemen (and ladies)..
..if you feel, as I do, that it might be the time to “re-supply” your collection (especially after the unfortunate tragedies mentioned above), then may I recommend a using a Federal Government program to do so? The Civilian Marksmanship Program (“CMP”) was established many moons ago when people did not fear gun owners and actually thought it might be a good idea to have potential members of the military who were competent marksmen (markspersons?) and allowed U.S. surplus battle rifles to be sold to the public for a relative pittance. Their main stock in trade is the venerable Garand M-1 and can be had for anywhere from $400-1,000 per copy. These are in varying shape and condition from rack grade (barrel almost shot out) to collector grade (good condition, all parts from the same manufacturer) and they are arguably a piece of U.S. history.
Now, they are not anything that a revolution could be fomented with but possessing one could be a symbolic protest against such incursion. The added benefit might be that your descendants might look upon them as the equivalent of a Revolutionary or Civil War musket.
There are hurdles to surmount in order to purchase one of these rifles: you must be a U.S. citizen (sorry, Obama, you’re out!), over 18, and legally eligible to purchase a firearm. You also either have to be a former member of the military (provide a copy of your DD214), a member of law enforcement, or provide proof that you can handle firearms (sign-off from a range master to that effect).
You will also need to belong to a CMP-affiliated club but that’s no big deal. The Garand Collector’s of America is set up for just that purpose. It costs about $25 per year and provides a very nice quarterly magazine with interesting facts about the Garand rifle, collections, and ads for those who will recondition and restore your rifle to near mint condition.
The CMP also sells ammunition — and the prices are the most reasonable around.
The best news of all is that once you are a member in good standing and purchase a rifle, it gets delivered to your door with no need to go to an FFL’ed dealer to take delivery. There is something about having a WWII battle rifle arrive via FedEx that kindles the rebellious spirit in me. I have gone this route several times and own Korean war era H&R, Springfield, and Winchester models. Somewhere down the line, I hope to land an International Harvester to “complete” my collection.
No pecuniary interest here (obviously); I just feel that this might be of interest to some in this thread.
While the fact that such insurance does not currently exist $1 million for gun ownership, that doesn’t mean that it couldn’t exist and rather quickly at that.
That is not the point, the cost for such insurance should be the point. An example, a friend of mine who owns a wrecker, those trucks that can haul your broke down car someplace to get it fixed, has refused to sign up with AAA, the reason? AAA requires $1 million worth of insurance for him to be affiliated with their network of service providers. The cost to him per month for that insurance is $1,200. Some outfits make enough money that they can afford those rates, many don’t which was why when I last used AAA, they had to call in a guy an hours drive away to pick me up, and then take me an additional hours drive to my hometown. (yes that means they had a two hour return trip without additional pay)
So, who can afford $1,200/month just for gun insurance? Not one American in a thousand, if that.
The people of Illinois ought to throw the bums out
What the hell do we need guns for, they are meant to kill people. Civilians owning guns is a recipe for disaster. There is no fear of British troops invading our country anymore, or any need for a militia. And if a foreign government were to reach our shores, believe me a few handguns will not help much. The stupid NRA won’t rest until they have a gun in the hands of every single American. You cannot fight evil with weapons, you fight it with love.
Jack T: Woodstock was over 30 years ago, but the syphillis your parents contracted while copulating in a stoned out state,has clearly been passed down to you.”You cannot fight evil with weapons, you fight evil with love” Not only, has the syphillis reached your brain,it’s causing you to spew out zany drivel.Hitler would have loved you! GET SOME PENICILLIN NOW BEFORE YOU LOSE EVEN MORE BRAINCELLS!
Gee you think those over 500 black yuth’s who were murdered over the summer were all registered gun owners?
I agree with the insurance requirement — the day every newspaper and radio/TV news “person” has to have a $1 million liability policy also.
Seems fair to me, if I have to be insured to exercise my rights then news people need to be insured to exercise their right.
And just to show how fair this is I don’t even demand that news people have licenses and pass a criminal background check like me, just the insurance.
JackT, the second amendment was established to insure the first amendment. It was specifically inserted so that the populace could defend itself, not from crime, but from tyranny, both foreign and domestic. Any government that is afraid of it’s citizens having the right to use deadly force to defend their liberty is a government freedom loving people should be afraid of.
I keep weapons and occasionally carry. Why?
1) when trouble is seconds away, the cops are minutes away. And
2) carrying a gun is more convenient, and much lighter than carrying a cop.
Gun Control Works
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated..
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million ‘educated’ people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
Gun Control Works
It just depends for whom!
I would rather fight on my feet than die on my knees.
13. Tom:
My dad bought me an old S&W .38 spl. for Christmas. My next door neighbor was outside one day and I went out to show it to him. (I unloaded it first.) He looked it over and then pulled a .38 snubnose out of his jacket. He had been packing it around at work! It’s pretty good here in KY! We have a low crime rate here. Anybody want to venture a guess as to why that is?
JackT:
If you start fearing for your life from some of the tarty responses here, I have a Saturday Night Special I can let you have for a few bucks.
Replying to #18 about the M1 Garand: you sure as heck could foment a revolution with that weapon. Scantily-trained American infantry fought their way across Europe, the Pacific and the Korean peninsula with that weapon. Reloading after eight shots is a little tedious and she’s a little heavy in the beam. Makes a better bayonet platform and butt-stroker than the excellent but lightweight M-16 and M-4. “Arguably” a piece of history? Certaily a piece of history.
Will this dipsh*ts bill require Police Department to carry a mil in insurance for every one of their gun-toting officers? The pigs kill alot more people illegally than civilian gun owners do, Amadou Diallo, Kathryn Johnston, etc. The so-called, law enforcement officers, are the ones that should have to carry the insurance. Make them get it as a contidition of employment.
JackT – head over to Somalia with your fight evil with love mantra. Let me know how you make out. I’ll stick to fighting evil with weapons and skill. I like to win and live.
Geoff writes:
“..about the M1 Garand: you sure as heck could foment a revolution with that weapon. Scantily-trained American infantry fought their way across Europe, the Pacific and the Korean peninsula with that weapon..”
Geoff, ssssshhhhhhhhhh! Don’t let on!
lifted from a commneter elsewhere:
Go into the woods. Dig a hole- don’t refill it.
When the authorities come looking for your guns (or gold) lead them out to the site.
“Dang! Looks like some one dug up all my stuff! I THOUGHT someone was watching me when I was digging the hole, but I chalked it up to nerves.”
You can call it your Hole of Plausible Deniabliity.
The act introduced by Bobby Rush aims to literally turn America into Canada where firearms are concerned
Jack, I can’t tell if your post is intended to be parody or not. I sincerely hope it is. But assuming it isn’t please cite me one example of each the following:
a) a state which allowed civilian weapon ownership that was a “disaster”
b) a state that outlawed gun ownership that didn’t quickly become repressive and unjust
c) an instance where “evil” was defeated by “love”
I’m not going to hold my breath because to the best of my ability to tell no such examples exist. For you to have so much faith in premises that have been repeatedly disproven marks you as, at best, someone who lacks critical thinking skills. Even more likely than that is that you’re an idiot.
It is interesting that someone with the history and character of a bobby rush would be a driving force to disarm Americans. He must assume the law bidding, hard working Americans who pay taxes, will line up and turn in their weapons while the criminal of his yuth will retain theirs.
It’s Obama’s plan to revive the economy, and it’s working. Guns and ammunition are selling like mad.
He just needs to propose a bill making houses and cars illegal, or requiring a million dollars worth of insurance, and our troubles would be over.
Okay, I’m all for the 1st Amendment so long as citizens carry a $10,000,000 liability insurance policy for liable, slander, incitement of riot, or hate speech.
American’s who don’t carry speech insurance need to keep their traps shut.
A country where only the politicians and the criminals are armed? No thanks.
Yes….I too have lost all my guns…I think my dog…ate them?
Well, no problem. Since the second amendment is a right and the state mandates liability insurance to exorcise that right, then the state can pony up the bucks to fund the mandate. A simple law suite should establish that funding principal. Of course, providing state insurance for private gun owners may cut into the tax expenditures usually preferred by liberals, which only goes to show that liberals don’t always look closely at what they wish for.
JackT @ 20:
I fear you and people like you who want to disarm law-abiding citizens.
#20 JackT – “…guns are meant to kill people.” Well, yes, that’s the point. Some people simply need klling.
People who live in safe sinecures are always the ones spouting gun-control nonsense. They don’t understand what keeps them safe: Men with guns. No one who lives in a dangerous environment buys into such nonsense. Here’s the rub… No one actually lives in a safe sinecure. They just think they do. That safety can disappear overnight. Then, only guns can get it back.
In the end, you are responsible for you. You are also responsible for your government. If I had my way, gun-ownership would be a requirement of all citizens. Nothing like owning a gun gives one appreciation for it. The Libs who spout the gun-control drivel simply don’t know what they’re talking about, because they’ve never owned or been trained with a gun. (This is generally speaking, of course.)
A funny thought: How would you like to be a felon, who is not allowed to carry, walking around in a land where everyone else is packing?
Random observations on the above-mentioned idiocy:
1. The level of civil disobedience resulting from passage of these laws will likely dwarf anything seen in American history. Do you think cops and military personnel, for starters, are going to rat on members of their own families to accomodate Bobby Rush? Here’s the short answer: nope.
2. If these laws are passed, look for a run on cosmoline and plastic sheeting.
3. We can’t even control the flow of illegal immigrants and drugs across our borders. So what makes damn fools like Bobby Rush think that the government would have a prayer in stopping firearms and ammunition smuggling?
4. And what happens if people simply decide to manufacture their own firearms? Case in point: individuals and groups with access to the right information, materials, and tools one can make perfectly serviceable submachine guns and semi-auto rifles in decently-equipped machine shops. Hell, if illiterate Paki tribesmen can make AK-47′s, what’s to stop folks with good old American know-how?
The demoncrats would get rid of us all with a push of button if only we promised we wouldn’t shoot back. Oh yeh and if we leave our checking account numbers behind too.
Haters of the good and well armed.
As long as we are reciting the classics: “God didn’t make all men equal, Samuel Colt did.”
I agree with these people when they say . . .
11. H Coburn . . . . . . the anti-gun folks’ goal is to engineer a society where the average citizen lives in continual fear of crime and the government.
#13 Tom . . . I just started a new job in Cincinnati, but thinking of living in Kentucky just because of the wonderfully open conceal carry laws.
#16 Freddy Funky . . . If it is ok to let Felon’s vote, then give em guns.
#18 Bonka . . . There is something about having a WWII battle rifle arrive via FedEx that kindles the rebellious spirit in me.
#21 degeuello . . . Jack T: Woodstock was over 30 years ago, but the syphillis your parents contracted while copulating in a stoned out state,has clearly been passed down to you.
#32 Dr Kranky . . . You can call it your Hole of Plausible Deniabliity
#42 Marc Malone . . . Some people simply need klling.
I agree with that stuff.
Jeff
democrats have to keep hard working taxpaying Americans around much to their personnal dislike so we can pay for their socailist agenda.
Ass hat.
Watch for a flood of new gun restrictions. Definition of a Liberal (Diane
Feinstein) : nobody should be allowed to own a gun except her. Look for the salami sliciing technique that was used before. If they can’t get the whole thing, they’ll just go for pieces. They won’t stop until all gun ownership is illegal.
Don’t you just feel safer since the Democrats came to power?
Illinois requires gunowners to possess a FOID {firearms owners identification} card issued by the state police after a background check is done to determine eligability. i.e. no felony convictions,mental health problems etc. This law is directly aimed at the legal FOID card holders and has absolutely no effect on illegal ownership or theft of weapons and will actually encourage it, especialy among minorities and the poor. Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance
430 ILCS 65/4.5 new
430 ILCS 65/8 from Ch. 38, par. 83-8
Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that any person who owns a firearm in this State shall maintain a policy of liability insurance in the amount of at least $1,000,000 specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person. Provides that a person shall be deemed the owner of a firearm after the firearm is lost or stolen until such loss or theft is reported to the police department or sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the owner resides. Provides that the Department of State Police shall revoke and seize a Firearm Owner’s Identification Card previously issued under this Act if the Department finds that the person to whom such card was issued possesses or acquires a firearm and does not submit evidence to the Department of State Police that he or she has been issued in his or her name a liability insurance policy in the amount of at least $1,000,000 specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person. Effective January 1, 2010
diane feinstien has a carry permit ! i guess it is alright for lib pols to have guns
I’ve lived in every kind of American gun enviroment : Illinois, Mississippi, South Dakota (thumbs up), California (thumbs down) and Michigan. State restrictive gun laws are largely ignored by real gun folks. The purpose of the laws is to avalanche charges by prosecuters when an arrest is made. The illegal gun laws are the difference between : 1# two married folks hit each other and a neighbor called the cops. Both drunk, the man was charged with 42 felonies for gun ownership. #2 Cops found 2 grams of pot on a local fisherman, who also had a hunting rifle, 31 charges of drug dealing, gun violations and racketeering. Police confiscated his truck, guns, home and chicken coup.
I go so far as to avoid enslaved states (California, Illinios, the northeast) while on the highways, and stay in free states while it’s possible.
Yes – when that criminal is coming through a window in the middle of the night – stop em’ with love <3 <3
Kill em’ with kindness
#52 Ozzie:
“The purpose of the laws is to avalanche charges by prosecuters when an arrest is made.”
Ah, yes. I remember those days…the Clinton era, when two goobers wearing cammies plinking bottles in the back 40 were busted for “weapons violations”, and it was spun as a “militia bust”.
I wonder where that human butt-plug Jospoth is now?
(old hoplophobic Statist propagandist from me Usenet days).
I don’t know. I always wanted a machine gun. So when B.O. makes all guns effectively illegal I can have one… or a dozen.
In for a penny , in for a pound.
Obama thinks gun owners are “bitter” I guess he must not get along with the secret service protecting him at all. For some strange reason I get the feeling that Obama would not be enjoying his position very much if the secret service was not allowed to carry firearms.
If the government turns its thugs loose to round up our guns, burying them in the ground might not work, since they will be armed with technology that can read what’s in the ground. I have a few ideas of my own to defeat this, but am reluctant to share with others in a public forum for fear that eyes are watching this stuff. I definitely would not keep them in my home when the government goons come to search for them.
I am really starting to hate my government. Not the Constitution, mind you, because that’s something that belongs to us, not our government, and the lawyers and their law schools that teach them that the Constitution is a throwback that the brilliant minds of theirs can do better without.
Yes, “JackT” surely has to be the progeny of anal sex in a muddy field at Woodstock between a couple of disease infested, stalinist hippies. On top of that, his opinion runs roughshod over a Constitution that he seems not aware of.
I will not obey the government in these matters. And I will sign on, even at 54 years of age with two hip replacements into the bargain, seeing that I am an Army veteran, to whatever muster we bring to bear if there is a civil war. And I won’t ever hesitate to give the enemy the long dirt nap he deserves.
If Chairman Maobama thinks I’m bitter now, wait till he comes for my guns…
On top of this garbage, don’t forget the UN’s small arms agenda…
If you were Pelosi, Reid, Obama et al you wouldn’t want the hordes at the gates with pitchforks and torches to have guns too.
I, for one, would not hesitate to give Bobby Rush the long dirt nap, since he was an Army deserter during the Vietnam War. Yes, he deserted his comrades in arms in the fields and paddies of South Vietnam. I have no respect for a man like him whatsoever. And neither should any of you here. I don’t give a good goddamn if he’s a U.S. Congressman. And he used to be a member of the Black Panthers, which, again, says volumes about what this guy’s about. He’s a cowardly Marxist-Leninist totalitarian swine who thinks nothing of your lives and liberties. How can anyone respect that kind of man? He’s not even a man, but a worm. Oh, I take that back… earthworms do have a valuable place in the scheme of things. Didn’t mean to insult the earthworm…
If it gets to the point where you’re burying/hiding them, it’s past the point to use them.
@20 & 21
Deguello, let JackT greet the barbarians at the gate. He can convince them of our love, and that they aren’t our enemies.
Meanwhile, those of us with a more practical bent, can be preping our arms while he stalls the enemy, and can avenge his death when he is run over by a tank.
all my guns were stolen out of my truck at a highway rest stop
damn shame
“Perhaps we should revisit voting rights for the uneducated, non-property owning underclasses of America.”
Amen to that! Thats the way the Constitution originally had it, now I can see the wisdom in that
“What the hell do we need guns for, they are meant to kill people. Civilians owning guns is a recipe for disaster. There is no fear of British troops invading our country anymore”
Guns aren’t necessary to defend us against a foriegn invader, they are to defend us against an INTERNAL TYRANNY in our government. The left likes to confuse what the right to bear arms is for. It’s not for hunting, it’s not for invaders, it’s for corruption in the government and when the Constitution is tossed aside. By the looks of it, guns are going to be pretty handy to have soon.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!
“It’s an insidious scheme which would force citizens to carry at least $1 million in insurance to own a gun.”
Somebody needs to introduce a bill that would require all abortion providers to carry $100 million in insurance to perform abortions, plus ID checks and instant-background checks on abortion patients.
Not because I believe in regulation abortion providers out of business, but to draw attention to the insidiousness and hypocrisy of these control schemes.
Too bad no Republican has the courage to do so.
I see the Assault Weapon Ban is being revived. It didn’t take long for the liar-in-chief to expose himself, did it?
what part of ‘shall not be infringed’ on the second amendment don’t they get?
If this country doesn’t hurry and get it we are sunk for good….Obama is the pied piper leading our nation to slaughter. What don’t people see that I can clearly see…? Obama is so against this nation and is going to make us all repent for past sins of our ancestors by dropping everyone to their knees without arms to defend ourselves. The only people he KNOWS WILL HAVE GUNS will be the thugs, theives, murderers, rapists, and misfits in society. DOES HE REALLY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO REGISTER THEIR GUNS OR GIVE UP THEIR GUNS? PLEASE!!!! IS HE AND THAT BUNCH IN WASHINGTON THAT FAR OUT OF TOUCH FROM THE REAL WORLD??? THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO USUALLY FOLLOW THE LAWS AND RULES ARE THE GOOD PEOPLE IN SOCIETY…NOT THE DREDGES OF SOCIETY. Well….I have news for him….he is messing in the wrong kit this time.
This time I recommend all good people keep your guns…by the time he finishes with this country, we will all need them not only for hunting for food but protection from the misfits that have never worked, will never work but always look for the hand out or steal from those that have. I am going to buy ammunition today and practice shooting. I just had two shootings (one dead) within two blocks near my home two days ago by young black thugs(robbers) not law abiding citizens!!!!
NOT TO MENTION …..THE BORDER PROBLEM THAT NO ONE IS ADDRESSING! KEEP YOUR ARMS FOR THE CARTEL AND TERRIOSTS COMING OVER OUR BORDERS AT ALARMING RATES WHILE THEY ARE EATING SUSHI IN WASHINGTON. I URGE EVERYONE TO START USING THE WORD TERRIOST (THAT OBAMA DOESN’T WANT TO USE OR HEAR) BUT NOT ONLY FOR THE JIHADS BUT FOR THE BUNCH IN WASHINGTON! THEY ARE TERRIOSTS OF THIS SOCIETY….BLOWING US UP ONE BILL AT A TIME! START VOTING THE IDIOTS OUT OF WASHINGTON!
#68 MarkD:
“I see the Assault Weapon Ban is being revived. It didn’t take long for the liar-in-chief to expose himself, did it?”
WONDERFUL NEWS! SIMPLY WONDERFUL! Ny all means, reinstate the Clinton gun-ban, which had absolutely NO appreciable impact on crime, and was circumvented as quickly as the gunmakers could change their molds to make the pistol grip an integral part of the stock and machine off the bayonet lugs.
This guarantees that the 2010 mid-terms will be a tsunami-like backlash against the fellow who claims to have been born in Hawaii and all of his fellow travellers in the Congress.
I’ve been sampling the commentaries on Leftie blogs, and even as obtuse a set of slack-jawed dullards as they overwhelmingly recognize this as the political suicide that it is.
This will also put paid for any hopes that the alleged Hawaiian may have for a second term.
A reminder for the Federal Government:
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
http://www.desktoprating.com/wallpapers/anime-wallpapers-pictures/captain-america-wallpaper.jpg
YOUR CONGRESSMEN TODAY!!!LET THEM KNOW HOW YOU FEEL!!
And a special thanks to the gun lovers in Pennsylvania who were take in by this asshat
Ah yes, outlawing a gun/bayonet. It stopped all those drive by bayonetings that had swept the country.
That makes just as much sense as the rest of the gun bans.
My guns were kept in a shed out back and it was broken into. Thieves took them all. Stupid of me to secure them there! Sorry, sergeant (or sir, or whoever is sent to confiscate them), I’m a dumbass for putting them there!
Welcome to Fascism folks..
Anyone have the plans for a Sten gun? I seem to recall it could be made in any basic machine shop in WWII
Liability insurance for gun owners? That’s a joke. Around this part of Dixie they can’t even enforce laws requiring auto owners to have liability insurance!!
What a coincidence that the sponsor of this legislation in Illinois chairs the insurance committee…gee you don’t think he’s trying to drum up business for the industry he regulates? How much pay to play do you think is in it for him? This is Illinois after all, the home of pay-to-play!
I am always amazed at the chatter that goes on about guns in America.
I have owned, bought, sold over many guns in my day. I have a great collection of firearms.
Like most, we (friends, family, associates) talk about what would happen if they come for our guns. What would you do scenarios are always a lively discussion. In the end, like most in the world, they would give up their guns so they could go about their lives. I tend to believe that most here would do the same. The bravado is always very loud, until they take your family, or kick in your door at 2AM and drop you where you lay.
If you pay close attention to what goes on around you, you will see the “militarization” of police agencies in all towns, cities, etc. The “SWAT” teams are now fully trained by the US military, tactics, weapons, etc. Hate to pop anyone’s bubble, but your chances of winning that battle are minimal. Remember what works, and overwhelming force beats the latter every time.
All that is needed is a few dead homeowners who were killed by the “agencies” coming in to do their job, and..well…you resisted. Won’t take long for your neighbors, friends and relatives to rat you out, just to be left alone.
Now, before you go off thinking I am saying things can not be changed, they can be, but..one must be willing to go that “extra” mile in the way one thinks. Not rocket science my friends, really..
JackT #20
Please do the world a favor by overdosing on whatever drug you must be on before you spawn some other spineless no nutted syphilitic minded piece like yourself. To all brothers and sisters in arms. If you haven!t already joined the N.R.A. please do so. It is our only hope against these pieces of crap.
JackT #20
You should really get some help. It is without question that the syphilis deguello spoke of has you terminal. In our neck of the woods we call people like you sheeple. All warm and cozy and without a clue. That is not what being an American is all about. To all brothers and sisters in arms. If you have not yet joined the N.R.A. please do so.
It is our only hope against what is coming.
Firearm ownership under the 2nd amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting or sport shooting and EVERYTHING with defending freedom and liberty as envisioned by the founders. Anyone who had done any objective research into the subject would know this. The intent as expressed by Adams, Jefferson, Paine, Monroe, Jay, Washington, Franklin, etc, etc, etc is crystal clear. These people put their “lives and sacred honor” on the line to create a country free from a tyrannical government. This was foremost in the minds of Americans at the time. They weren’t concerned with rabbit hunting, but their hard won rights being trampled by an ever growing, increasingly powerful, potentially criminal government. The relationship between government and the people is an adversarial one. There is only one agency in this relationship that is capable of infringement and that’s the government. The word “infringe” is aimed directly at the government. The mere idea held by Eric Holder et al that only government agents should have the guns is diametrically opposed to the clear intent of the founders. I for one don’t want to live in a society where only the government have the guns because that government, made up of mere mortals despite what they think of themselves (Blago), can become criminal. If HR 45 doesn’t constitute infringement, then what does? If the DC, Chicago, LA gun bans don’t constitute infringement, then what does?
With all the talk here about gun bans, will someone please explain to me why the criminals will also give up their guns.
I for one will feel much safer once every street corner drug dealer has his gun properly registered and insured.
Here! here! #84 Tarantula. This is EXACTLY as the founders understood it and intended it. The literature and tradition is so deep, extant, and established that it requires abnegation in order to rationalize what Eric Holder, Congress, Bobby Rush, and Obonga want to do with it.
The collectivists really, really fear us. I would hope that, if they cross some trip wire, that we act in a manner which totally justifies their fears.
The Politically Incorrect answer is that Chicago is stuffed full of blacks who have been taught from the beginning that they need to vote for whomever gives them the most handouts, and that whitey owes them. And when there is that much money being taken and redistributed, the white-collar scum come out in droves for a piece of the pie. And they will protect that pie, no matter what.
How can this Public POS Bobby Rush push forward with this bill hell he is a criminal with a past himself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Rush
In 1968 Bobby Rush went AWOL from the US Army, co-founded the state’s Black Panther Party and later was honorably discharged. (How the hell he got an honorable discharge is beyond me see what type of suit wearing convicts we have in office serving the public interests?)
In 1969, Bobby Rush served six months in prison for illegal possession of firearms.[16]
And if this does not top itt all off he was a founding member of the Black Panthers
Rush is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, as well as a former member and founder of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panther Party.
This is why we have corrupt people I.E. Lawyers getting away with stuff ordinary people would be locked up for.
Actually, $1,000,000 liability coverage IS available. State Farm and other companies offer $1,000,000 liability coverage on their homeowners policies, and you can always buy a Personal Liability Umbrella if your homeowners insurance company does not.
I’m not saying I agree with the requirement, but this article’s assertion that you can not purchase it and therefore will not be able to own guns simply isn’t true. It would cost gun owners significantly more, but it is available…
Oh, and one other note. In my opinion gun owners should WANT to carry at least $1,000,000 liability coverage. Accidents happen, and it would be a shame to lose everything you’ve worked your whole life to build because of one.
A governmental mandate is a whole other banana, of course.
Somebody has either made a deal somewhere to sell out the entire country or is too stupid to look around.
Do the math folks….
1) we owe and ar borrowing more from china.
Iran close to Nukes or wil get from Pakistan
2) Drug cartels are causing massive instabiity in South america. Heavilly armed including a SUB or two and capable of taking on most South american militaries.
3) Drug related wars spilling out into Canadaian streets and soon US streets.
4) American born terrorists returing to the US.
5) Sleeper cells in USA
6) Russian bombers may base in Venezuela and Cuba very soon.
7) Venezuela gaining allies against US interests.
(Israel is done).
9) Terrorist attacks in europe daily. Unreported in USA.
10) US economic shortage.
11) Clinton signs arms manufacturing deal with China which allows China to develop US weapon clones. Where do you think thier sattelite killer came from? HE WENT AROUND CONGRESS TO DO IT!!!!!!!!.
12) China has a sudden leap in Military tech. Hmmm.
13) Russia wants it’s empire back, and needs food and energy to do so.
14) Russia took part of Georgia to get the pipeline supplying Europe, and in turn made many former Soviet nations back away from joining NATO.
15) Saudi Arabia is directly responsible for the Mosque situation in the US and spreading of the non-tolerant belief system. They alos contribute to the Clinton Library. Hmmmm again.
16) Economic instibility in the US due to GREED.
My math comes up with:
South america is going to Chavez and Russia.
Mexico is hopeless.
The southern US will become a WAR ZONE.
Israel will probably be destroyed.
Europe will be decimated.
China an Russia will be fighting over what’s left.
The USA will cease to exist at the moment the population becomes disarmed. That will be the day after Obama has signed the international small arms profiliration treaty
without congress’s consent. If he signs it and we do not disarm, the other nations are ALLOWED to attack us. It will not matter what happens to him after he signs it.
You had better pay attention folks.
Water, Energy and Food are the main reasons for all this.
America has plenty… they want it.
While I’m at it.. While some of you morons are trying to save the world…. just what good will preventing the construction of Nuclear reactors, and oil drilling do when our potentially soon to be masters will do it anyway
with glee over your dead bodies? It takes money and Military power to protect your lovely green trees and we are short of both.
And last a question.
WHY DID JAPAN NOT LAND TROOPS AS A MORAL BLOW TO THE USA
IN WWII AFTER PEARL HARBOR?
Because the Honorable Admiral Yammamoto realized that the US citizens could put more guns on the beach than he could possibly land before the first soldier could plant his feet in California sand. Japanese troops would have been wiped out and never got off the beach.
2nd Ammendment protected us then, and still protects border areas today.
Wow what a bunch of lemmings. The most interesting thing about the current shortages is that they are based on conjecture and a kind of hysteria normally reserved for school children. You all speak of dark imaginings, but all the while unable to point at any legislation actually passed. But please keep it up, weapons & ammo manufactures are getting richer than ever, the one thing your mass hysteria is good for is separating fools from their money.
April 22, 2009 Assembly Bill 962 was passed in California and now heads to the Assembly Committee on Appropriations where it awaits a hearing.
This would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as “ammunition vendor” in the Department of Justice’s database.
So now if you transfer to your relative or friend 50 rounds, you OK, if you give away 51 rounds (who is counting?) – Congratulations! – You are a CRIMINAL and can go to jail. With confiscation of firearms of course! Do you still thinking that your freedom is protected? Do you expect someone else to fight for YOUR freedom?
Did you hear about “Ammunition Accountability Act”?
If this pass to law than only “micro stamped” bullets will be allowed for private citizens.
That means if you casting your own bullets and reload, or have few boxes of ammo that you purchased yesterday or 20 years ago – than again, your are a CRIMINAL, and should be placed in a jail, again with confiscation of firearms of course.
This anti-Constitutional, anti-American “law” can turn entire Nation into “criminals” overnight. With no arms, no rights, no voice….. – Scary?
This is very simple: Why we have Second Amendment? – Because people with the guns make rules! A FREE people with the guns make rules! Slaves cannot have weapon and do not make rules. They (guess who?) disarming America! This is a long process but it started long time ago. Remember Clinton’s ban-1994? Same people are back again. Remember why Clinton was impeached? – Because he lied under the oath. Remember Obama’s promises before election not to touch Second Amendment? Look around, can you trust these promises? Do you think they will hesitate to take away our arms, than f@@k all of us and say that this is only for our protection?
Internal invisible and slippery enemy is much more dangerous than a visible external.
All American gun owners are under attack at all levels.
Manually created “Ammo shortage” is just another step to attack Liberty.
Very serious this time.
Learn lessons from the History:
Less than 100 years ago in 1917 Vladimir Lenin promised to give free land to the people who support Revolution. Free land for everyone! Great idea! People trusted and followed him and October Revolution happened in Russia. Lenin did keep his promises – he did give free land to the people… and implemented gun control followed by confiscations.
After WW-1, Revolution and Civil War a lot of people in Russia had firearms on hands. But all of that was confiscated (except criminals). In 1927 Stalin announced “collectivization” – people had to return their land and basically everything else what they’ve got in 10 years after Revolution. Next few years 1929-1938 were the worst years in a Soviet history. Millions of people were permanently screwed, thrown to the jail, and many of them were executed. If you had two cows and did not want to give away one – you were a criminal! If you open your mouth and said what you think about confiscations – you were even worse criminal! Others who survived were down on their knees. With no arms, no rights, no voice.
That was easy task for the Government. It’s easy to take away anything from disarmed people… including their lives. In just a few years strong Government were able to put down entire Nation on the knees and basically turned population of a huge country into slaves. With no arms, no rights, no voice.
You can say nothing scary like that can happen in my country, but you know what? – Nothing like that ever happened in Russia before 1917 too. And Russia before Revolution was very successful and rich country, by far ahead of America.
Yes, it was almost century ago, far-far away from USA (51 miles from Alaska to Russia). But look around and what you see? – Aggressive movements against all gun owners on all levels, local and federal. And needless to say these movements are pretty consistent and well organized. Their nearest goal is – take away firearms from people, disarm law addicting Americans, and prepare for farther movements. Why afraid armed citizens? – Because armed citizens are able to resist and physically protect their rights and freedom. Vladimir Lenin said: “One man with a gun can control a hundred without one.” It always like that – 100 years ago, 200 years ago, 500 years ago, and 3000 years ago – people with arms “own” ones without.
What a Constitution is? – “In the case of countries, this term refers specifically to a national constitution defining the fundamental political principles, and establishing the structure, procedures, powers and duties, of a government. Most national constitutions also guarantee certain rights to the people.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution)
That means that our rights, guaranteed by Constitution cannot be taken away by any legislative documents on the lower than Constitution level. Free State can give to free people more rights than a minimum guaranteed by Constitution but cannot remove any.
These days you barely can see our Constitutional rights under pile of shit that recent anti-gun “legislators” put on it. In many States our Constitutional rights are blocked and disabled by local “legislators”. It is impossible to obtain CCW in some states already; in some places it is even illegal to possess a handgun, some types, models and calibers are banned, reduced-capacity magazines, etc, etc, etc. In other words our rights in fact are violently grabbed, in many points current local law does not comply with Constitution and as such, not legitimate. But this does not stop well organized Hydra from continuous attacks on us just to achieve their nearest intermediate goal – disarm Americans.
Our Constitution is crystal clear and understandable.
Recently those anti-gun politicians were trying to debate that “…right of the people to keep and bear arms…” is not guaranteed to the people but to something else!
Authors and supporters of anti-gun anti-American anti-Constitutional “programs” of any kind are internal enemy of American Liberty and must be prosecuted for violent destructive acts against United States of America and against us, the People of the United States. Federal and local law on all levels must be fixed to fully comply with the crystal-clear text of Constitution and not argue with it. This is what we have Constitution for.
Yes JackT is clearly not a realist if those are his true feelings, but lets not forget about that guy from way back who said “do unto others”, something about turning the other cheek, and the meek inheriting something or other. Maybe there is some merit to the deeper implications of his statement. However, that book that contains all of that advice also says those willing to help themselves will receive help, there is no reward without risk, and an eye for an eye.
JackT:
What the hell do we need guns for, they are meant to kill people.
I must take issue with that statement as it seems to be based on fear and ignorance. That’s kind of like saying matches are meant to burn down churches.What is common to all of these: Baseball bat, rope, automobile, toaster, Castor seeds, cinder block, swimming pool, steak knife, bath tub, airplane, tall building? Obvious right? They all can be and have been deadly at various points, but does that mean we should outlaw them? Clearly they have caused an innumerable amount of deaths since their inception.
We must demand that these things be banned before they claim more lives! What is the government doing about this!?!
Ok, is the point clear now? The items listed above improve our lives, they are inanimate and morally neutral. The castor seed is especially interesting as is the source of castor oil a very versatile and useful substance, and ricin, one of the deadliest poisons known to man. If any of the examples illustrate an items potential for either good or evil, the castor seed is it. Any tool or resource is only as good or bad as the person or persons using it.
I like to think that our guns are safe for the most part because here in this country the people they would be asking to collect them all such as the police and national guard would refuse as I would refuse. That doesnt mean it couldn’t be accomplished as one final step as they pick apart the 2nd amendment over time.
Lastly, things are not so grim everywhere. In my home state of Tennessee it is looking like they are about to expand CCW permit holder’s rights and let them carry in businesses that serve alcohol. Of course, that does not mean you can drink when you carry.
WELL!DO THE DEMOCRATS FEAR THAT ALL THE ARMED CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTRY MAY GET FED UP WITH ALL THE BULLSHIT AND REVOLT? START BY LIMITING GUN OWNERSHIP AND AMMO BY RIDICULUS LAWS AND FIND OUT. SOCIALISM HAS NO PLACE IN AMERICA.
I’ve heard all I can hear on this site or Blog or whatever you want to call it. Are you going to hide behind your emails? I’m sure you will! Our fore fathers put a secondary plan in place to ensure the government would not strike fear into the people but the people would strike fear into the government. With all the respect I have for anyone in the Federal Office I can not stand by any more to watch a battle with no teeth get us know where and lead us know where. It is time to rise up and say we are not “Terrorists of our own country” we are not the “Militia” wishing to do harm. We are the citizens of the “United States” who will regain controll and restore power without “Political Correctness” to sway our judgement. The world is a changing place and has no room for the weak who wishes to control its people more than the crisis confronting them.
Please join me and we can prevail and calm all mankind!
Brandon
1. There will be civail War among The Subrabs Areas Agents Gun Canvincations by Town Police, Township Police,Cities Police too! Sherifis Depies , State Police Or the Highway Patroll Police will do it if the President of orders it Immeadly too! The Nation will Break up and formed Little Counties in the U.S.A too! true! If George Sorces Get his way taking over the U.S.A. sonner too! Time will tell much sonner too! true! a warning nust not ecnored at all too! agreed too! The Left Wingers are Anti Gunners too. Gun Grabbers to Disarmed U.S.Citizens Right to And Keep and Bear Arms by First President of July,04, 1776 A.D By Ex General of U.S Army is (George Washington Our First Preident of Birth of Our Nation Of The U.S.A Too! is History books today too! True!!
he is not captain america that will save your country, he still need time to proof his capability as american presiden