Saving the Libyan Islamists
According to the West Point study of the Iraqi Sinjar Records, of the 440 foreign al-Qaeda recruits whose hometowns are known, 21 came from Benghazi. This makes Benghazi the fourth most common hometown listed in the records. Fifty-three of the al-Qaeda recruits came from Darnah. That is the highest total of any of the hometowns listed in the records. The second highest number, 51, came from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. However, the population of Darnah (80,000) is less than 2% the population of Riyadh. This is to say that in per capita terms more the fifty times more foreign fighters joined al-Qaeda in Iraq from Darnah than from Riyadh. As the authors of the study put it, Darnah contributed “far and away the largest per capita number of fighters.”
It is virtually unthinkable that al-Qaeda and/or the local Libyan affiliate of al-Qaeda (the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group) are not today involved in the Cyrenaica-based insurrection against the rule of Muammar al-Gaddafi. This is even more unthinkable when one considers that the North African branch of al-Qaeda — al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb – has declared its support for the rebellion and vowed to do “everything we can” to aid it.
Barack Obama rose to prominence as a ferocious opponent of the war in Iraq. With barely any objection from either the left or the right, he is now deploying American military power to support some of the very same forces — in all likelihood some of the very same fighters — who were just recently fighting and killing American troops in Iraq.
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Editor’s Note: Related: “Libyan rebels: ‘Now is the time of Jihad!”
The question to be asked is. Should we have let them kill one another? The end result being less of them trying to kill us.
Yes is the answer to your question. It was beginning to look like a rout. Now at least, the rebels may take out a lot more of Ghaddafi’s thugs before they all get killed themselves. Both sides deserve to die. Whenever the US is dropping bombs on a Muslim majority nation, that is a good thing.
1. This is the first post of its kind, the first non-anecdotal information, that I’ve seen regarding the Libya situation. Thank you.
2. Are we trying to create a stalemate between Gadaffi and Libyan jihadists, or are we blundering in without a clue?
3. What are French motives? They are more cold-blooded about asserting their national interest than we are. They have a truculent Muslim minority.
Be careful what you wish for. I’m very worry for what’s coming next. Muslim Brotherhood’s Egypt in alliance with next door oil rich Islamist Libya. Can anyone imagine the ramifications? Hussein Obama does.
everyone capable of critical thinking knows the west military intervention is dumb …dumb beyond reason, shite it was something sHillary Clinton was pushing for so it must be bad.
I am aghast that we fall for this bullcrap every time. Bosnia was a mistake Iraq will become a mistake and the continuation in Afghanistan is a mistake.
the people who lead in these countries are not our friends. I HAVE NO DOUBT IF THE LOCAL POPULATIONS KNEW WHAT THEY WERE PASSING UP IT WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT TONE. but the leaders are the religious nut cases (which incidently is all the muslims in my book) because with out moderate islam there cannot be moderate muslims.
This is quite distressing. All the freedom lovers in the Middle East may only want to exchange one tyranny for another. It doesn’t seem like we’ll see any progress towards modernity if the Islamists take over. If we are aiding them, the west will have multiple Irans to deal with. My biggest sorrow is for all the girls and women who suffer in these societies.
We did this in Afghanistan and got the Taliban.
Eerily the lyrics of “Don’t know much about history…” can be heard along the corridors at No 10, The White House and the Elysee Palace.
Be afraid, very afraid.
Thank you, John Rosenthal and thank you General P.Malaise – no need to add another word!
So; Barracky boy ultimately aids Usama Bin Laden.
Would it be an impeachable offense when Barracky boy bows to him?
It’s a twofer for Obysmal – he gets to support his Muslim terrorist buddies, and what a great distraction from domestic issues! Bosnia was a great distraction from Monicagate.
do not forget that his is also Hilary/s plan and she is well known for her pro islamic/jihad sympathies. she forced the US to bomb and kill Christians in Serbia; she was a great admirer of arafat the terrorists and she used the state department to conduct full scale war against Christians and Jews.
So, we are putting our folks in harms way to support “freedom fighters” who may, in large part, be Islamic radicals. And we did so, partly, at the behest of the Arab League which now is complaining about our actions. Members of this same Arab League have their own Air Forces with F-16′s but they would not get involved. We were set up by a bunch of 12th century camel jockeys enriched with oil. Do we never learn? Lets get off their oil and let them kill each other, which seems to be their regional sport. Fk em.
Has anybody else noticed that Obama did not seek Congressional approval before this action?
Things were working out very well until these idiots insisted on Western interference. Ghadaffi triumphant, having wiped away the jihadists, would have supplied a perfect target for the soon-to-be-in power Egyptian Islamists and others. We could have had Iran/Iraq over again. Ghadaffi should have been discreetly supported.
Confirming what I suspected: the knee-jerk call for the support of every group that rallies against despotic regimes ignores today’s great likelihood the “rebels” are probably led by jihadists.
Gadaffi has long believed that they are the greatest threat to his rule. He has made the case that there is no need for militant Islam, that Europe will become Muslim within this century through immigration and high birthrate. He is determined that the Taliban shall not take over Libya as it did Iraq and now threatens Afghanistan and Pakistan.
So we have thousands of our troops shedding American blood at the eastern end of the Arab world to get rid of the Taliban and we make the idiotic decision to attack a nation at the western end because it is fighting a civil war against the Taliban-style jihadists??? This is wildly irrational.
We need no further proof of the total ineptitude of the Foreign Policy shapers of this disastrous administration.
I posted a comment on this web site at the beginning of the Libyan revolt that the rebels were Muslim extremists. Now I see people are coming over to my side.
What’s new?
The US and EU is backing Hamas with billions of dollars.
They are freedom fighters you know.
The darlings of the ruling elite.
I have never liked conspiracy theories, always preferring incompetence & gross stupidity as explanations, perhaps with some co-incidental shared interests.
I liked Obama in 2008, more than Bush anyway.
I studied the global warming alarm in some depth (its bull* in case youre still wondering). In that context, POTUS talks energy independance yet hamstrings the US energy capability through restrictions on any new energy (from drilling through nuclear, renewable doesn’t count), and unleashing the EPA attack dogs.
I know a bit about finance. The US deficit (14tr$ on book, 140tr$ off)is going to cause a LOT of problems to your children, to say the least.
And now the support of Islamist revolution throughout the MENA. And that’s what it is.
Now as I said, I can go with incompetence & gross stupidity, but to this extent? This consistently? No it doesn’t add up.
But what if you wanted to “teach the US a lesson”? What if you wanted to “represent the oppressed”? Get some “payback for colonialism”? What if you really beleived “the White man to be the root of all Evil”?
In the Muslim states of the past the sharia and other laws of Islam where usually restricted by the autocrat`s will.The contemporary development of this states strengthen the role of masses whose identity is mainly Muslim not national.So they always have the Islam-dictatorship opposition.Both opposing components are medieval brutes,particularly Muslim activists called Islamists.The democracy have not any roots and can be imitated as the” Islamic” one(with the sharia),or with the oppression of Muslim tradition by the dictator.During the fights with the weak Muslim nationalists USA and Israel themselves have created Islamists(Taliban,Hamas).They await their “democracy”? The choice of Islam-dictatorship conflict`s side is still looming before the West.It makes the same mistake again!
the USA did not create the islamists, they were always there for centuries. the weakness of the USA and other nations (not so much Israel since the islamists don’t really care about the sentiments of Jews)has allowed them to expand and their successes spur them to more excesses.
This proves, yet again, and as the Obama administration has affirmed, that Jews building houses is the greatest threat!
Anybody notice that that nice new freedom-loving Egyptian govt. is meeting with Syria, making nice with Hamas (who sent 50+ missiles into Israel), reaching out to Iran (Of course you can send your ships through our canal! Weapons? No problem.)
Predictions:
1.There will be no democratic Arab governments.
2.The House of Saud will start to look good to us.
3. Israel will be blamed for something big soon. (That’s always the safest prediction.)
4. Bahrein (i.e., the confrontation point in the war between Iran and Arabia) will be a big blob on the map and on the news
5. The talking heads will keep saying that we are stuck between standing up for our interests and our principles, as though the “rebels” embody our principles.
6. The fall of Khadafy will be easier than you think. The rise of his replacement will be met by hurrahs! in the mainstream media. Libya will become a more effective enemy to the west, allied with Egypt and Hamas.
Lockerbie bombers versus Islamic extremists. What side are we on?
I don’t know what’s funnier, Islamic extremists, squabbling among themselves or Obama who wants to intervene. Keystone cops, all of them!
Oi, vey!
Obamatraitor is unconstitutionally murdering secular moslems in order to empower jihadist moslems determined to enslave and murder us.
And there is no GOP-er in sight with the brains and guts to say so and then do something about it, the weeping bartender in particular.
Emboldened, (for all of twenty minutes), with a political victory, the GOP bravely rushed in to implement their mandate to stop deficit spending. Theit pitiful efforts fall far short- though they have the power to accomplish their mission.
I am sick of these greedy, selfish, stupid cowards and want to make them all walk the political plank.
But, tell me, Long John, who do me make our captain?
The revolt was started because East Libyan fundamentalists disagreed with Qaddafi over his religious views (e.g., Qaddafi believes that Jews and Christians should be allowed in Mecca, that stoning for adultery is wrong etc.). They even timed their “day of rage” to coincide with the commemoration of the violent Danish cartoons protests:
http://www.nolanchart.com/article8465.html
I fail to see how anyone can keep believing that these protesters are trying to institute liberal democracy. They’re not fighting for democracy, but for theocracy.
The uprising was over but the neo-cons or should I say “Zionist” Republicans and Dems pushed Obama to start chaos in Libya because of all the GOLD in the Central Bank and all the OIL!!! And the locale right on the Med Sea! I believe that the ppl of Tripoli will make it a graveyard for any invader! Once the US got involved I took the side against the “former” Al-Qaeda fighters of Benghazi who the US is using to overthrow Gadafi like we used Chalabi and the Northern Alliance to do our dirty work and make false promises that we don’t want their wealth and we will make them rich even though most Libyan live pretty good with free education and healthcare and subsidized housing!
I think it should be fine chairman obama and Mrs.president bill Clinton have both assured us that these people are moderate Muslims (You know, first offenders get a dotted line tattooed on the wrist)
-Solidarnosc!