Sarah Palin: The GOP’s Best Hope in 2012
Long before John McCain delivered his concession speech, which reminded even the liberal left of his dignity and courage, his staffers had plunged into their next task. It is, sadly, one they had begun two weeks prior to the election, a time when their candidate most needed them.
But rather than shoring up McCain’s weakly explained policies on the failing economy — the most important issue to voters – his staffers were already scrambling to lay blame for their faltering campaign on McCain’s running mate, Sarah Palin. It was a move that some saw coming long before it happened, as unnamed staffers complained to the press that Palin had “gone rogue” and was already positioning her own political future.
It is reflective, too, of the continued inability of McCain’s staff to recognize that Sarah Palin could — indeed, should — have been the GOP’s Obama. Her folksy, “hockey Mom” persona was the perfect foil to Obama’s claim that he was a relative Washington outsider, just as her from-the-hip speaking style was the mirror image of Obama’s soaring, lofty rhetoric. Where Obama sought to break the racial barrier as a harbinger of change and reform, Palin as the vice president would have broken the gender barrier, accomplishing the same goal.
Yet despite the huge surge in the GOP’s favor after naming Palin to the ticket, the McCain campaign squandered away her appeal. Some wonder now, in hindsight, whether this waste was intentional.
Given the “full-scale kneecapping of Sarah Palin” that McCain’s staff has undertaken since the election, it certainly appears they have a grudge to bear against her. Unnamed McCain aides have told reporters that Palin allegedly did not know Africa was a continent, not a country, and could not identify the members of NAFTA. Such claims are bogus, according to McCain’s top foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann.
So this is what Obama meant about “unifying the country.” He has his henchmen in his press corps unite with disaffected Republicans to try to destroy his #1 enemy- the mom from Alaska that forever humiliated him in that little speech.
You buy the awful rumors that Romney aids are behind this?! This is about as true as the rumor that Palin thinks Africa is a country!
It’s sad you buy into that crap.
It is too early to say who will be running in 2012. The Republicans have to do some serious soul-searching about why America outside some small Western states and the still-Red portions of the Bible Belt, found the Republicans so toxic.
Understanding the basis for their rejection by women, hispanics, and college graduates. By the non-evangelicals of all other religious groups. By people that want an end to Neocon-run, Israel-centric foreign policy.
Such claims are bogus, according to McCain’s top foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann Not a surprise, as the guy is a top Neocon and lobbyist for Israel and Georgia.
It is too early to say if Sarah Palin and her Cult is part of the solution, or part of the problem with Republicans ability to resell themselves in the future as a National Party. Whatever inquiries and reports come out on Palin, good or bad, though – should not deflect via such scrutiny on Palin, from people realizing what a bad executive leader McCain was and his role in the debacle Republican candidates at all levels in the nation suffered.
But the truth or not of the stories of Palin’s lack of knowledge, diversion of significant campaign funds to her family, and behavior in times of high stress does matter – it needs to be cleared up. John Edwards supporters, also a cultlike following build around his telegenic looks and folksy ways, were furious about reports that he was cheating on “Dear Dying Elizabeth” and had had a baby with one of his lovers. But alas, the stories turned out true.
Where is John Edwards now?
It’s Catherine Berry! PJM’s! most! controverial! voice!
Most of this piece seems self refuting to me. We have a figure who is devisive even within the GOP and who has had a… less than positive press. The only positive point there is for her is that that 2010 is a long way off and people will have forgotten about Palin 1.0 by then.
If that is the case then any divisive figure lacking wide popularity or obvious ability is a good hope for GOP 2012.
She’s not going to be around in 2012. If she is, she will be the ’12 version of Ron Paul. On the plus side, the McCain Campaign, who captured her, fianlly released her back into the Alaska Wild:
http://stonecipher.typepad.com/the_stonecipher_report/2008/11/sarah-palin-is-finally-released-back-into-the-alaskan-wild.html
Being politically neutral (towards the US elections) for the obvious reason, an agnostic and a firm opponent of a criminalisation of abortion, I have nevertheless bacame an enthusiastic supporter of Sarah Palin, from the very first moment I saw her on the TV being introduced by McCain. It itself speaks about her appeal to an intelligent, and well informed political being. There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that she is the jewel of a woman, America’s national treasure and the best hope for GOP in 1012 election. Provided, of course, she won’t be destroyed by Democrat’s (“Democrats” -he, he…) communo-fascist propaganda machine. In order to survive as a potential GOP candidate, she will need the entire help and protection that Republians can muster. It is an inescapable observation that the treatment Sarah has received from the so called MSM can only be described as BARBARIC. Newt Gingrich compared that with the way Polish leader of Solidarity movement, Lech Walesa, had been treated by the totalitarian propaganda of the former communist regime in Poland. Living in that country for the best part of my life, I can only confirm that Gingrich is 100% right in his opinion. You Yanks have to be aware that the Leftists will resort to ANY dirty trick (even harming her physically) to prevent her from challenging them in 1012. I can only imagine an amount of rumors and innuendo (Todd is apparently a bit tired of his newly famous and assertive wife. He is apparently looking for someone more feminine) flowing from her native Alaska. To help you imagine the level of Leftist debauchery, I have to tell you that yesterday even the Austtralian (as Leftist as those in the US) “media” were spewing their poison towards that noble woman, and repeating those rumours (provided by unidentified sources, of course) about her alleged shopping habits, her tantrums, her bath-robe appearances, as she was heading back her home, and no longer presented any clear and present danger to the Dems. If you want to know how the leftist totalitarianism is slowly embracing the democracy, just watch my own Australia. Just a few days ago the local Labor’s Rudd government proposed to introduce a mandatory Internet censorship. An obviously that is only the beginning. Be affraid. Be very affraid…
The press isn’t responsible for Palin’s woeful shortcomings and school-bully approach to governance, it’s task is to investigate and expose them. The fact that the GOP base loves her doesn’t make Palin fit for office, it simply makes her supporters part a nasty adolescent clique that the rest of America has outgrown.
BMoon, you say that Obama “has his henchmen in his press corps unite with disaffected Republicans to try to destroy his #1 enemy- the mom from Alaska”. Are you actually blaming Obama for the leaks coming from the McCain camp???
That is the problem with the GOP- well, at least one of them. The GOP and its supporters do not take responsibility for their own actions. America is tired of that. We said so on Tuesday. Were not you listening?
A good article. It’s too early to tell what’s up for ’12. Maybe Petraeus will be domestic by then. But clearly there’s a reason for the number and intensity of attacks against Palin – and they have indeed been unprecedentedly disgusting. And that reason is fear of her effectiveness.
Beyond all that, though, lies the fact that Palin’s performance was uneven. He prepared settings were very strong, including a pretty good debate performance, but her interviews were horrendous. A lot of that is attributable to her misguided handlers and a campaign that was confused and unstable at its very top, but still, I think Palin’s appearance was a bit premature.
That won’t be a problem in four years though. The dust will have settled and the most important thing will be what Palin has done with the ensuing time. For now, she was the most refreshing thing about the whole campaign, and I pray for her to withstand the contemptible onslaught against her.
Wether Governor Palin remains a hope for 2012 is open to debate, but is it the appropriate debate we should be having? I believe that the GOP party itself is at this point so inextricably associated with far right Christian ideology that it has becom hamstrung as a force for uniting those of us with sincere conservative values, who are at the same time open to secular as well as non secular views. I know that there are Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Agnostics, small ‘C’ Christians, and others who would gladly sacrifice for their country, who loathe the socialist ideology of the uber liberal left, but who are unable as well to buy into the Republican party because of its perceived obeisance to some of the more inflexible elements of far right Christian ideology. Now imagine if you will a new party, forged around the core conservative values of small government, self-reliance, hard work, and above all the U. S. Constitution. A party that considers the 2nd Amendment ‘First among equals,’ for it is the sole right that ensures our ability to protect and defend all of our other rights. A party that commits to the abolishment of the welfare state within ten years with all the fervor and single-minded dedication that President Kennedy brought to the space race. And lastly, a party that welcomes the Budhist, the Evangelical Christian, and the Agnostic in equal measure, joined by their inalienable right to worship or not as they see fit while at the same time shaing a common belief in conservative ideals. It’s called the ‘Americana’ party; and it’s coming your way…
Palin’s spokesperson has confirmed that she said, “the country of Africa.”
They have tried to spin it as “out of context”, a “human mistake”, etc but it’s on the record.
Hi – Interesting blog. Thanks for sharing. I keep thinking Sarah Palin would be wise to break off from the GOP and start her own party – people who share her values and beliefs. The GOP tent isn’t big enough for its current coalition.
I think it’s time for a solid third party comprised of value-driven, religious REAL Americans.
Just my two cents.
Have a great day!
Louis G.
Katherine
You are a liar!
It was Mitt Romney who many weeks ago said “let Sarah be Sarah”, while the McCain staff was “advising and controlling” her.
Do you have an ounce of journalistic integrity?
First of all, these are not Romney supporters bashing Sarah.
They are McCains people. The same jerks that slandered, lied and maligned Romney during the primaries.
Has McCain even been heard of on this issue? He sits idly by while Sarah is trashed and maligned? Why isn’t he defending her?
Because little men who finish bottom of their class’, will never take responsibility for their own failures, It’s always somebody elses fault.
McCain was a joke all along and the weakest and worst of the field. He slimed his way to the nomination with Hucabeee and now the Nation has the Huckster and McCain to thank for Obama, good job guys!
Next time you clowns will wise up and go for the “smartest guy in the room”, and we all know who that was.
Instead of the nastiest, meanest, and dumbest,
compare the resume’s next time.
ajarizona
Katherine
You are a liar!
It was Mitt Romney who many weeks ago said “let Sarah be Sarah”, while the McCain staff was “advising and controlling” her.
Do you have an ounce of journalistic integrity?
First of all, these are not Romney supporters bashing Sarah.
They are McCains people. The same jerks that slandered, lied and maligned Romney during the primaries.
Has McCain even been heard of on this issue? He sits idly by while Sarah is trashed and maligned? Why isn’t he defending her?
Because little men who finish bottom of their class’, will never take responsibility for their own failures, It’s always somebody elses fault.
McCain was a joke all along and the weakest and worst of the field. He slimed his way to the nomination with Hucabeee and now the Nation has the Huckster and McCain to thank for Obama, good job guys!
Next time you clowns will wise up and go for the “smartest guy in the room”, and we all know who that was.
Instead of the nastiest, meanest, and dumbest,
compare the resume’s next time.
ajarizona
Go Palin 2012! That guarantees another Dem victory! Heck, I’ll switch my affiliation to Republican for THAT primary, then switch it back just to cast my vote for her. If Sarah Palin is the best that the Republican Party can come up with, it’s no wonder it is falling apart.
Regardless of whether the McCain staffers are related to Romney, they still were solely responsible for the failure of this campaign, and I agree failed to take advantage of the opportunity Palin presents, (note the tense), and are merely trying to deflect the blame to anyone but themselves.
As far as Romney, good ideas or not, he has absolutely zero charisma. He’s boring. Sorry for the reality-check, but you can’t “lead” without at least some leadership qualities, in addition to ideas.
Now, here’s an idea I had yesterday, but will ‘fess up that I checked, and the London Times (see link) and perhaps others had the same idea first:
Ted Stevens wins Alaska Senate race, he resigns and or is expelled, Palin calls a special electon, resigns herself, and runs for the Senate seat. (Does anyone think she could lose?)
And in 2012, she’ll have as much, if not more “experience” tan “the One” had wen he ran…(probably more, as she might actually show up)…
Palin for Senate, 2008!!!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5096619.ece
You’d think that a sound thumping on Tuesday would provoke some introspection among the right wing, but it appears that most of you guys are incapable of analyzing what happened. Palin was a disaster. She ran away from reporters, then, after carefully selecting her interviews, she bombed them. You think she did well in the debate because she actually didn’t implode, but remember she REFUSED to answer the questions asked. She has no appeal to the middle–in fact her policies–including cronyism and abuse of power–come straight from the Cheney playbook.
Why would a moderate vote for Palin?
“You Yanks have to be aware that the Leftists will resort to ANY dirty trick (even harming her physically) to prevent her from challenging them in 1012.”
This is just stupid. No one is going to harm Palin physically. And the damage to reputation was self inflicted. Paranoia again.
Bwaaaaahahhahahaha. ROFLMAO….
That vicious-mouthed, hate-spewing woman’s 15 minutes are OVER.
She burned her bridges and showed her true colors. We’ve seen what lies beneath the hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of makeup and fine apparel. No matter how many times she tries to pardon herself, she has shown that she is one of the most unethical idiots ever to run on a national ticket. Didn’t know Africa was a continent? Didn’t know what THREE countries were involved in the North America Free Trade Agreement? And she could see RUSSIA from her HOUSE?
The best thing she could do for herself and the rest of her family is fade away quietly. Otherwise she will be an albatross around the GOP’s neck for the next decade. Not that the Dem’s would mind much.
Ciao.
Hmmm… When did this become a Palin hatin’ site?
I must have missed a meeting or a memo or something.
The fact that McCain’s top aides and Palin are having to discuss this at all sure indicates that Palin scared someone. McCain’s aides say it’s just more smear from the Democrats. That requires me to believe that the journalists actually went a step further than just the usual “National Enquirer” type reporting on this; they actually lied about the anonymous sources. Hmmmm*…that’s a whopper to swallow.
From where I sit, it’s more likely that this was completely gossip around the bar after the election, with some low-level aide preening to appear important, whipping up a whopper for the low-level journalist also imagining himself the author of a great “breakthrough” story. Today they concocted yet another “Trig isn’t really even Sarah’s baby!!!!” type story.
Where the liberal bias comes in? In the days of ethical journalism, a good editor would have laughed and wadded that trash up. Today, they ran it. Any good whopper about Sarah is bound to be good for the cause.
After all, it’s the press’s right to publish innuendo and rumor. Let the other guy prove it’s false. Right?
Let me add my voice of disent to the howls and cries of the left-wing media. The treatment visited on Sarah Palin was nothing more than cowardly and horrific.
The left is scared of a woman who reveres God and life. The left is frightened by small “c” conservative. Hence the bashing of Sarah Palin.
The media has fooled itself into thinking that they have defeated Palin. The electorate is not that stupid. Most people know that McCain lost owing to:
1./ An unfavourable rating of same party president.
2./ Being outspent (broken promise).
3./ A horrific treatment by the media.
4./ An ecomic meltdown unfairly attributed to the Replubican party.
The media has been hell bent on making history with the election of a black president. So much so that they gave Obama and Biden a pass on anything unfavourable. Does the media think we are stupid? That we can’t see what they were up to? I think not.
McCain would have been butchered by the media if he had associates like Ayers, Rensko, and Wright. Palin would have butcherd for making remarks like Joe Biden regarding F.D.R. speaking on TV about the market collapse of 1929, not to mention the remarks about the national security of the U.S being put into question once Obama takes the presidency.
A full 46-% of the electorate voted for McCain/Palin. This number will be greater in 2012 when Palin runs for the presidency.
The Republican has seen defeat in the past and has always come back swinging. Witness the success of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagen. Many commentators have said that if Ford had but one more week before the elecion he would have been successful.
Let’s all keep in mind the stupidity of the left wing media and vote for a Palin ticket in 2012!
Bill
I can’t understand why the GOP is trashing Sarah. I say ” bring her on “..
Bogdan of Australia, after reading your post, I find it laughable that you consider yourself “politically neutral (towards the US elections)”.
By the way, over here in the states we use paragraphs- grouped ideas- when we write. It makes your writings more readable.
Without knowing what the context of “the country of Africa” was said in I can’t understand why anyone rags on her for it…a lot of people us “country” as a term for rural areas, e.g. a little bit country, etc. Or she could of misspoke when she meant South Africa. Or just misspoke instead of saying “continent.” No one doesn’t know Africa’s a continent. Just like no one thinks America has 57 states.
If Palin is the GOP’s best hope for 2012,that’s not much hope. She was great at firing up the ulta conservative wing of the GOP, but most of the country roundly rejected her and sent her a packin back to Alaska with her new wardrobe. Romney is another GOP disaster waiting to happen. A flip flop artist,he said,on tape,he was pro choice,to get elected Govenor of Mass,then “changed his mind” when it was time to run for president. How do you think that will play with the GOP right wing. He won’t be able to flip a single blue state,not even his home state of Mass.(remember Gore 2000)
He will try to run “strong on the economy” because of his business background,but when people dig deep enough,and find out he made his millions by putting thousands of people out of work,how do you think that’s gonna play to the very people the GOP need,blue collar workers.
Joe the Plumber is just gonna love Mitt Romney,oh yea!
We here in Mass know what Romney is all about,and we will be more than happy to inform the rest of the country.
2012 looks like another great year for the Democratic party.Can’t wait!!
I think Palin is a great prospect for presidental candidate in 2012, and I will do everything I can to help get her electiced. All I can say is “I DO CLING TO MY GUN”, cause this country is fixing to be in alot of trouble. My husband served in Iraq and there is alot the media dont tell. The people in iraq are so happy we are there. I feel that Obama as president will affect the countrys safety. Also remember, democrats controled congress during bushes administration. Of course everything he put on the table was voted down. So who is the first person everyone wants to blame (THE PRESIDENT). I am middle class worker and I have over the past 8 years been able to buy a house. I was not an dumb ass who went out and bought a house on flex terms, and tried to live over my means so I could blame the president. AMERICA WAKE UP you elected a terrorist. And Im tired of working my ass off to give out free handouts. Rachel
Rachel Whitley-OKon, you seem to be ill-informed. How can you say that the “democrats controled congress during bushes administration”? The Republicans controlled Congress six of Bush’s eight years.
You say that you were “not an dumb ass”, but that statement says otherwise. Try “not a dumb ass” next time.
You also say that we “elected a terrorist”. Are you really as dumb as you sound??? And I ask that with all due respect.
I’m a Palin supporter too. The election is over, but the media is still talking about her. Why? Because they are trying to destroy her so that she doesn’t come back. But it isn’t going to work, because there are too many of us in the GOP who like her and are excited about the possibility of her running again.
I think that the GOP needs to help guide Palin with preparation for running in 2012 or later. Palin is not that old, so she can run much later, if desired. She doesn’t have to do it right away. The fact that Palin can emerge at any time years from now is what makes her even more dangerous to the left.
The GOP should be asking these questions about Palin. Does it make sense for her to become Senator? Or, should she stay Governor? If so, what should she try to accomplish as Governor that best positions her for the Presidency? Also, what can they do to help her get more international experience? What type of speaking engagements should she undertake? Who are the people who should mentor and back her?
In addition to preparing Palin, I think the party should look at preparing some other fresh faces like Jindal and anyone else out there that we don’t know about.
“I was not an dumb ass”
I don’t think you’re giving yourself enough credit there, Rachel.
I don’t think any candidate from either party is America’s best hope. The same party responsible for creating this economic crisis is now in the White House charged with repairing it. It not the candidate, its the system and socialism is not the answer.
I think it was the same evening McCain introduced Palin as his running mate, CMBC ran an older interview with Alaska’s governor. It was all about Alaska’s potential role in not only supplying oil and natural gas, but also developing geothermal and tidal energy. Her rapid-fire responses to every question, her depth of knowledge, her balanced view of environmental concerns, the energy needs of this country and the need to develop alternatives absolutely blew me away.
Why wasn’t Sarah permitted to be Sarah on the campaign trail? The McCain team, themselves, helped to shape her image by making her their attack dog with very little of substance to say on any topic.
What did this tell me about the McCain team? They really don’t understand the seriousness of our energy crisis. Mark my words. By 2012 it is likely to be at the very top of the political agenda.
The current wave of cheap gossip, much of which called lies by those who were actually present is an absolute disgrace. I don’t know who is doing this, or their agenda, but it is disgraceful behavior.
I have noticed a considerable distance between what many people think Palin believes and what she has actually said on a variety of topics.
If voters are willing to let comedians and media hacks think for them, they will get exactly what they deserve.
Perhaps this will begin to sink in by 2012.
charles Johnson – take a moment from your (very effective) effort to out yourself as the most pompous ass on the web today, and answer this yes-or-no question: do you believe Governor Palin thinks Africa is a single country? (Try to keep the number of words in your answer to one. Use your fingers to help count if necessary.)
If your answer is “yes” then there is no point in an intelligent person talking or (especially) listening to you. If your answer is “no” then take some time to re-think this kerfuffle in that light. That’s right: reflect quietly to yourself, and resist your habitual temptation to express some sophmoric criticism of other’s typing skills.
Sorry, but I think that Sarah Palin is the Democratic Party’s best hope for 2012. If she’s still involved in national politics in 4 or 8 years, every single misstatement or idiotic comment she ever made will be replayed over and over again, and Tina Fey’s career will experience a major revival. This is a person who can’t put a coherent sentence together without a teleprompter, and some people think she’s capable of leading the United States. Unbelievable. Can you see her in a televised debate with Hilliary Clinton? Even more shocking is that some of those same people actually believe the stories Palin told during the campaign and are basing their opinion of President-elect Obama on those distortions. John McCain and Sarah Palin are damaged goods. They lied continuously during their campaign, trying to bring down their opponent with innuendo and guilt-by-association, and now they’re going to experience the inevitable backlash.
Thanks for playing grammar troll Chuck.
As for Palin, I like her. I like the fact that she’s a self made person not afraid to not let those elitist pedigree types get in her way. She said Africa is a country. Obama said there were 57 states. These are silly arguments. Irregardless
, four years is a long time. Let’s not limit our choices now.
What a gathering of trolls on this site! And more ridiculous disinformation and smears against the most potent threat to Dear Leader’s re-election. We suspect Romney people, but we don’t know. Sarah Unleashed will be on Greta the Insightful Monday night. Set your alarm clocks so you don’t miss it. Unlike the celebrated con artist in the Rezko Mansion, Sarah Palin appeals first to our common sense, and we recognize one of our own. She’s a modern woman whose convictions come from her life experience, intelligent observation, and the inspiration of Christ’s teachings. That may gall some, but it’s part of her natural appeal across all the faction lines, gender, and race. It’s obvious her education in journalism at Idaho is superior to that of many Columbia grads. The highly regarded Hui Neng, sixth patriarch of Zen Buddhism in China, was an illiterate woodcutter. Yet he was never matched in his ability to verbally translate the meaning of the key sutras into plain Chinese, coming at them from various angles to facilitate understanding. When the symbolic “bowl and robe” were passed to him by the 5th patriarch, Hui Neng had to go underground for a while to escape the murderous wrath of clueless scholars and sectarians. Hui Neng got it. Sarah gets it.
BMoon, you say that Obama “has his henchmen in his press corps unite with disaffected Republicans to try to destroy his #1 enemy- the mom from Alaska”. Are you actually blaming Obama for the leaks coming from the McCain camp??? (C. Johnson)
Johnson, if you reread what I said it is clear- I simply said that the Obama press campaigned to destroy her during the campaign, the GOP whiner or two after. Obama has “united” the worst common denominators of our nation. What is so hard about that?
And yes, as a lifelong GOPer, I take and place the full blame for the watershed disaster on Tuesday on the GOP. We too have abandoned the principles which made us great, and the entire nation and wolrd will now pay heavily for it and with interest.
They attack Palin because she is now the most powerful Republican. And they don’t control her. Palin has do little more than go be governor for the winter and then come out swinging in the spring. But not as a partisan politician but as the spokesperson for the persons with special needs community. She’ll be a big draw and she can motivate all the hockey moms and soccer moms, as well as dads to do what she did: Get involved, run for city commission, take the fight to the corrupt entrenched interests.
Obama may have his mandatory-voluntary-universal service but Palin (and McCain) have the ability to inspire people to do something outside themselves. All they have to do is revert back to their personal stories from the convention speeches.
And nothing is going to put the fear off Reagan in the liberals than a bunch of fired up conservative community organizers. The kind with real responsibilities and the ability to get things done.
The Republican Party is going to ditch Sarah Palin faster than a Jamaican sprinter. Don’t blink. You’ll miss it.
JohnRJ08 – Sarah Palin may not have been perfect on the 2008 campaign trail but uh,uh,uh, I not so sure the president uh,uh,uh elect of the United States of America is uh,uh,uh that great of a public speaker without uh, you know, a uh, teleprompter either. Between his unfulfillable promises (lies?), to his tour through the 57 states or his denigration of a former first lady who just got out of the hospital, uh, um or his uh, uh, uh you know the list can go on forever. We can also discuss his uh, uh runnning mates remembrance of FDR’s fireside chats in 1929 uh, uh, to his plagiarizing in law school and as a sitting Senator. But of course that’s OK because the’re not Sarah Palin. The “Great Promiser” and “Senator Gaffe” were uh, uh, only left standing because the MSM had uh, so much uh invested in them uh. The Uh-bamas uncanny ability to discard anyone who is uh, uh suddenly not useful to him uh, see, uh his unwillingness to truly support a no vote on Pop.8 and his discarding of the gay community as the latest example. I uh, wonder who’s next. It should be uh, uh an interesting four years and yes, I agree, that uh the GOP has an, uh awful lot of work to do.
I’m not so sure of Sarah Palin either but I do know it took the inept campaign of uh, uh John McCain to bring uh,uh the “Great Promiser” and his sidekick to the White House.
Of course Romneys people are behind this. Even the conservative Boston Herald’s republican writer is saying the same thing. Don’t know why they would do this, she is so embarrassing as a candidate she will bury herself anyways,
All of these Democrats who confidently say that Obama will run a steamroller over Palin in 2012 are forgetting one little thing – during the next 4 years, Obama will have to prove himself. He won’t be able to blame Bush for the economy forever. He’ll have to deal with foreign affairs and that won’t mean cheering crowds in Berlin. (BTW, he said yesterday that the 16-month timetable for pulling troops out of Iraq may be “unrealistic.” Gee, I guess Barry learned something at the security briefings that Daily Kos doesn’t know.)
Nobody predicted the political landscape we have now 4 years ago. NOBODY knows today what it will look like in 4 years. I suspect Obama will fail (if I had thought he would succeed, I would have voted for him).
Both the left and the right are talking as though today’s political landscape will remain static and as though perceptions will not change.
I would remind everyone that just a year ago, everyone thought the race would be between Hillary and Guiliani. So making airy predictions about what will happen in 2012 is a fool’s game.
Palin is pure poison. She is ignorant, arrogant and a jesus freak. Her rallies are really just KKK conventions. I would love to see her run. She will actually have to talk policy, instead of just name call. Her record will be vetted, and people will see that she’s full of crap. Romney will destroy her. No more religion in politics. No more dumb asses like Bush. No more criminals like Cheyney.
Palin is Poison – Thank goodness the Democratic Party is made up of such tolerant, open-minded people like you. The next four years should be full of bi-partisanship and the healing of divisions in America.
Sorry, but I think that Joe Biden is the Republican Party’s best hope for 2012. If he’s still involved in national politics in 4 or 8 years, every single misstatement or idiotic comment he ever made will be replayed over and over again.
There, fixed it for you, JohnRJ08.
Please please nominate Palin in 2012. This will ensure democratic domination of the whitehouse for years to come. I will give you this advise for free Republicans. You can’t win on just the evangelical vote anymore. If you pick Palin you are basically saying that evangelicals are the deciders. Not anymore. Look at the map, to win in 2012 you will need to retool and find new leaders which appeal to more than the old W. Bush base. Sarah Palin even if she campaigned perfectly (not smart enough for that) would still not be able to get enough votes.
Romney for President 2012!
Palin is alright, but IMO sabotaged this election.
Romney is far more prepared.
On the road, just tuning in to NPR, I caught a bit of an interview with a rhetorician who claimed to have analyzed dozens of Palin’s recorded speeches including tapes of her TV journal stints. He says he found NONE, repeat, NONE of those “folksy-isms” in her previous rhetoric.
The fact that McCain’s top aides and Palin are having to discuss this at all sure indicates that Palin scared someone.
There are good and bad reasons to leak from the inside the McCain campaign what Palin was like – and valid and invalid reasons to be “scared” of Palin.
If Palin was an insatiably ambitious Diva with huge knowledge holes, did divert campaign funds to her family…people should know. If she went disloyal at the end and wasn’t doing what the campaign wanted and was more interested in building up her “star” power with a Cult forming around her for 2012, people should know that.
There are also valid political reasons to ensure the knowledge and temperment of Palin are well-explored because past failed VP candidates touted as “Superstars” at least were vetted in primaries or had long experience in national office, while Palin is not. And as Republicans try and rebuild, many inside the McCain organization apparantly want her to have power commensurate with her actual expertise and competence.
Republicans, after all, do not want their own John Edwards mess. Or a whim pick of one man being cast as the Heiress Presumptive to the nomination without lots and lots of scrutiny.
BMoon, thanks for clearing that up for me because nowhere in your original post do you make that clear. One could be forgiven for thinking that you were only talking about recent events since that is the gist of the above story.
2012, 2016, or whenever, Sarah Palin has a prominent role in the GOP if she chooses to…
Why? As Michael Reagan stated just after her convention speech “Welcome back, Dad!” — Sarah Palin is the most effective messenger that the GOP has, with “star power” that’s greater than the remaining GOP national figures combined. With her journalism and sports reporter background (note the similarity?) she can convincingly take her message through the TV camera, totally by-passing the talking heads and pundits, to the American public with with, charm, and appeal that the GOP has not had since Ronald Reagan. She has the ability to build a competing “cult of personality” that competes with the newly Chosen One.
That is the threat she poses to both other GOP potential candidates, media pundits, and to the Democrats — at that is why she is being publicly crucified. They cannot dispell the authenticity and attractiveness of her persona — she lives out her principles in daily life — they can only destroy it. She is a huge threat to them all…
In addition to being a very effective spokesperson for the conservative principles, Sarah also has the potential (contrary to some initial opinions based upon the election outcome) to attract large numbers from the largest voter demographic of them all – women. Some exit polls show 16-20% of Democrats supporting the GOP ticket – many if not most of these were likely former Hillary supporters. Sarah “rang genuine and true,” connecting with many, many women – even if some were turned off by falsehoods from the vicious vetting done by the left or the “VP attack-dog” role she was asked to perform (and did very well at). Given time and more varied exposure on a wider range of issues, Sarah can effectively overcome some of this tarnish and appeal to independent, more moderate women. Meanwhile, the galvanizing effect she has simply draws more viewers and listeners for our message. Whether setting SNL records for viewers, attracting debate audiences not seen in 30+ years, or drawing more viewers than the Appointed One’s convention speech, Sarah Palin draws viewers and listeners…
While GOP licks its wounds, regroups, and refines or redefines the message –they need to preserve and protect the most spectacular messenger that we have had since Ronald Reagan. Sarah Palin is absolutely invaluable to the GOP party, conservative principles and our country as the messenger – regardless of how the message may be refined to make it more appealing and compelling in the future.
I am very proud of Sarah Palin.
She’s a self-made woman.
And she speaks her heart and mind.
And she has a brain.
Unlike Biden.
But every king needs a court jester, right?
If she’s the GOP’s best hope in 2012 Republicans are in big trouble.
I WONDERED where all that was coming from! Thanks for addressing this most important issue.
It is so unclassy to attack a woman just because she threatens the old boys’ club – she already has the liberal illuminati to contend with, and now overzealous rogues in her own party?
It just cements the issue for me: we need her in Washington, and we need her now. Romney needs to condemn these attacks publicly.
Shame on any Republican who uses the leftist mainstream media just to get their own candidate posed for something in four years that he was unable to attain now!
The financial crisis caused McCain to lose. End of story. Look at the polls and what happened the minute the crisis hit the front pages. McCain never had a chance.
The only soul searching the GOP needs to do is stop antagonizing its core constituency of conservatives. What does it say about this party that the only real conservative we’ve ever had in the last 50 YEARS was Ronald Reagan???
Only Sarah Palin (and quite possibly Bobby Jindal) could be trusted to pick up where Ronald Reagan left off. We certainly can’t trust Romney to do it, someone who had only been a “conservative” the moment it became expedient for him to do so. Conservatism for him is just a mask he wears, until it’s safe enough for him to take it off. For people like Palin and Jindal though, it’s who they ARE.
It’s ironic, people have been clamoring about how how many votes Palin lost McCain, but the true story is how many votes McCain had cost himself just by being McCain. The map shows Republican turnout had been depressed, and from what I’ve seen, it’s because McCain was simply too mavericky for his own good, not because of Palin.
And to ex-democrat, did somebody just buy you a dictionary? What you excuse as “typing skills”, I consider to be an assault on the English language.
I realize those on the Right look up at intelligence with disdain. Instead of embracing ignorance, try hugging education.
Do I believe that Sarah Palin thinks Africa is a country? This is the same lady who has yet to correctly answer what are the duties of a vice president…after three tries. This is the same lady who could not name a single periodical that she read. This is the same lady who was clueless about the Bush Doctrine. This is the same lady- according to McCain’s people- who did not know the signatories of NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement, operative words being “NORTH AMERICAN”). You ask me do I believe she could be so dumb? Yes.
By the way, that is Mr. Pompous Ass to you, sir.
cedarford: – If indeed the information you say the public should have is true and important for Republicans to know – it also is important enough for it to be owned by the leakers.
If they actually had the Party’s best interests at heart – why wouldn’t they be out backing up their allegations – I’m sure Chrissy would be more than happy to give them all the time they wanted to explain every mistake Palin made.
When it is leaked anonymously nothing good is accomplished. The people who support Palin can rightly attribute wrong motives to the petty small minded people. The people who hate her are dancing with glee over unsourced info that may indeed be lies.
Palin is was made me totally against McCain. Religious nuts love her, but I don’t want religion in our politics. I don’t want my daughters learning religious nonsense such as Intelligent design along side real science. She was picked to please the far right religious groups and women who simply wanted a woman in high office, not the undecided voters. McCain lost my respect when he picked her because it was clearly a move for votes, not for the nation’s interest. If Obama was just looking for votes like McCain he would have picked Hillary as his VP and the fact he chose someone who would fit him best and fill in his weak areas proved to me had truly thought about whats best, not whats popular.
Mark my words, Palin will not make it past the Primaries for the 2012 election. Not because of the bad press today. But because she doesn’t have a broad enough appeal to bring in all groups to vote for her.
jane:
cedarford: – If indeed the information you say the public should have is true and important for Republicans to know – it also is important enough for it to be owned by the leakers.
If they actually had the Party’s best interests at heart – why wouldn’t they be out backing up their allegations – I’m sure Chrissy would be more than happy to give them all the time they wanted to explain every mistake Palin made.
When it is leaked anonymously nothing good is accomplished.
There are times when a source feels compelled to by anonymous to protect their career. Mark Felt of “Deep Throat” fame…or a Republican career campaign worker who may have felt that being open about the Cult Goddess of the Religious Right would expose him or her to retaliation and loss of employment opportunities as the Base took vengence on behalf of “Our Sarah! Sara!”
The truth will come out.
Palin cannot duck interviews that wish to explore her national views if she wishes to again be a national candidate. Does she support outlawing all abortions except if the woman is about to die? How will that impact her poll numbers. Does she believe in dinosaurs and men coexisting at the same time, or not? In evolution? Does she have the ability to stand her ground after she delivers a talking point on Iran and the interviewer bores in and asks follow-up questions?
The truth about diversion of campaign funds for clothing and gifts to her family members has to come out because it is Federally audited. And reconciling who was lying. The aide that did come out in the open and say that she was authorized 25K and 3 attires for the Convention and 3 for the rest of the campaign, and instead she spent constantly after the convention using Party credit cards to outfit her husband and kids with som 40,000 worth of stuff and exceeded 150K substantially – or Palin. The un-named source who said Palin used workers credit cards to max out for more stuff long after the Convention and were blindsiding the campaigns financial managers with receipts for thousands of dollars well into October.
Was she disloyal to McCain towards the end and promoting herself instead of the ticket, as alledged?
Either it is false info to smear her, or it is true. The stories will be checked out by auditers and reporters.
Marc Ambinder at Atlantic is saying that the leaks are not coming from Huckabee people, Romney people, even unafilliated but fond of Jindal or Thompson or loyal Bushie People – they are coming from longtime McCain people.
Anyone that thinks Palin is capable of running anything let alone a state or the country must not have listened to any of her speachs or interviews. She is Governer of a state that just re-elected a convicted felon to the senate.
Anyone who thinks she is the dolt that the MSM portrayed her to be needs to read the recent Newsweek journal, which portrayed her as a bright, energetic quick-study who was largely muzzled and mis-handled.
You may also want to listen to this interview with “friendly media” the day after her return to Alaska. She’s clever, personable and articulate in a “you betcha” kind of way:
http://www.bobandmark.com/
The make up of the world’s leaders is not that of hockey moms or fashionistas. They are hardened leaders with a firm grasp of foreign policy who are quite knowledgeable in world affairs, more so than Ms.Palin showed herself to be. Many who post here seem not to recognise this. We not only need a leader who cares about what happens in the US, it is REQUIRED that any US leader is able to make wise decisions and can CLEARLY articulate where America stands. We are not only threatened from within, but we face great challenges from those abroad who are waiting for us to make a misstep. Ms. Palin, while having tenacity, did not show leaderhsip. Rather she showed how devisive she can be. No matter what excuses are made for her, she is clearly lacking in basic education of foreign matters and is quite ignorant in areas where a good leader can not afford to be. Maybe those who like her venomous style of leadership and her low level of knowledge can move to Alaska to be with her. Alaska has plenty of room. Then she and Todd can proceed with the succession efforts (think AIP) that they were involved in prior to this election. This should make all of you Palin worshipers happy and the rest of the lower 48 could rest in peace.
Boris, cedarford, all the good little trolls are here, I see. One would think they’d be glued to the TV waiting for the next glorious words from Dear Leader.
Republicans know what went wrong. If you ever pulled your noses out of the air and read the Old Testament, you’d know, too. We allowed a bunch of opportunists to stray from the true principles of the party and are now cast in the Wilderness. When we return to those, we will succeed.
Sarah Palin will be back, whether in 2012 or 2016. She will be a formidable force because she got people to listen and believe without a phony Messianic pitch and the press in the tank for her. She is also the reason the McCain campaign came as close as it did. Romney could not have done it.
Unfortunately for you trolls, she isn’t the dumb, bigoted hillbilly you want her to be. You believe in the words of Josef Goebbels (“If you tell a lie often enough, you can get anybody to believe anything”). She has the words of Abraham Lincoln in rebuttal (“You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time”).
If an appallingly ignorant, proudly unsophisticated political bumpkin is the “best hope” of the Republican Party, the GOP is well on its way toextinction.
Oh for God’s sake, stop playing the victim card. It was Fox News that broke most of these stories. If ever there was a media outlet that was biased for conservatives, it’s Fox News. Blaming the messenger doesn’t make the message false you paranoid conspiracy nuts. The “liberal media” is a myth Republicans spread so their uneducated constituents won’t believe the truth. EVERY politician got a grilling this year. Hell, Palin got the least amount of grilling, followed by McCain.
If Hillbilly from Wasilla (and it’s great to see Republicans saying what they really feel) can’t handle the heat, she should’ve stayed in Alaska.
Cedarford….you gotta be kidding. She “stole” clothes from a national run for VP?
Surely you guys aren’t really serious.
That’s just too stupid.
If an appallingly ignorant, proudly unsophisticated political bumpkin is the “best hope” of the Republican Party, the GOP is well on its way toextinction. (Mandy)
“Ignorant” would be literally every statement Obama has made on foreign policy, not to speak of raising taxes on the job-creating sector in the worst recession ever. Hello? But as far as “unsophisticated” and “bumpkins” Yes!!! I’ll take my plain-speaking, honest, upright Jacksons, Lincolns, Trumans and Reagans over your sleazebag, elitist, disingenuous manipulators of the ignorant and gullible, any frickin’ day.
Governor Sarah Palin’s only mistake to date that I can give any credibility to is answering the cowardly,anonymous, backstabbing,fools who called
themselves loyal staffers. Hopefully she will realize that it is ‘foolishness to answer a fool in his folly’. It’s better to let them make their ridiculous claims and remain silent on commenting because any comment at all just adds more fuel to the fire of fools which when left alone simply can not carry on. She has shown herself to be a very capable and articulate speaker able to reach
those in this country no has since probably Ronald Reagan. And if you think it’s the “folksiness” of her speech that attracts them better look or rather listen again because if you have an ear to hear like the great populace
of this country you might have a clue. She can reach them because she is one of them and that fact alone is what probably irritates the pundits and ‘establishment’ in and outside of Washington the most. It’s not enough that the left leaning in the tank for Obama media sought her destruction during the election, they will continue until either ignored or answered by the great populace like the Palins. We are all Palins out here. We have their story, their faith, their values, their interests and we will not be silent any more. So beware and forewarned
Gov. Sarah Palin has help unleash the voices of millions of Americans who more than care about their country,faith,guns and free speech, which belongs not just to the liberal left. We will be
heard. May God bless us all while we wait and work.
The fact that so many dems are still so anxious to tear into her must mean there’s a certain political fear of her. I suspect the amount will tone down but over the next four years I expect a continuous drubbing of her. A media and far left attempt to give our new President a sure second term. When CNN can’t hide it’s bias anymore things are getting bad.
But I was given some amount of hope when Pres. Elect Obama in his acceptance speech said essentially expect little or no changes in his first your or possibly his first term. An amazing example of bait and switch that I’m was very happy to hear. Between that and the Democrats not getting complete control of congress buoyed my spirits. As we’ve seen by past administrations having any one party in control of the legislative, and executive branches turns into a money blowing free for all. I’m hoping in 2010 some real Conservatives can get elected to congress and a proper stalemate will exist. Followed by a few years of prosperity as was seen in the Clinton last 6yrs. All is not lost we have a new President, and after this last year things should be on the rise. As recessions go this so far is not a bad one, 2009 could still be a good if not great year. Not to say things couldn’t get worse.
You certainly make a good point Katharine! I do agree with you but it might be just a little bit early to speculate about Governor Palins future, wishful thinking perhaps. The republicans have been in a circular firing squad for some time now and with the election over they have gotten even more vicious if that’s possible. John McCain already reconciled that he lost the election and accepts full responsibility of the loss by failing to connect with the electorate, his own staff that failed him by not taking his advice and practice on what he stood for during and after the election. So will the real rogue please stand up? Now it’s time to focus on the tremendous flood of dialog between now and the next presidential election that will shape our ideas and thoughts about this President and his administration. It is totally up to us to understand what this President is about and what direction he and the new congress will take the United States. If Sarah Palin continues with her style and conservative messages with good handlers she will be a force to contend with in 2012. She has the persona, character, and a conservative message that will make any liberal show their true colors every time. She was able to bring out the best in conservatives and the worst liberals leaving little doubt of who she was. President Elect Obama gave us a small sampling of who he is with this type behavior by revealing his inexperience and complete lack of character with his high school attack statement on the former first lady Mrs. Reagan during an official press conference. President Elect Obama looked and sounded like a buffoon instead of the President of the United States of America. This is a only a continuation of the attacks and character assassination on Governor Palin and follows in lock step with the outrageous open racism by the media and our Federal Government during the course of this election. What is interesting is that they are getting away with it at will. We have only seen the tip of the hammer and sickle during this election process and now the focus will shift to the first and second amendments of the United States Constitution.
I hope her 15 minutes of fame are over! The media should just stop covering her and it will be over. Just let her go back to Alaska and stay there. If she is the best of the future for the GOP, they are a sad lot. Where have all the “summa cum laudes” gone within the party?
If Palin is their best hpe they have a serious realty problem.For a partu to sat this proves how out of touch they are with most americans.
If Palin is the Republicans best chance that alone proves they are totally disconnected from the american population. This is so far out there that in itself is scary. Palin thinks people are mean and cruel she needs to take a good hard look in the mirror or better yet watch her own rallies. She is either nuts or she didn’t see herself as most people did. The nasty sherif she dragged into her speech and the awful things that were yelled during the rallies as she smiled at them and shook her head yes agreeing with them. People were not near as mean as they should have been. She is a very poor representative for anyone calling themselves Christians and a perfect example of a narrow minded fanatic who thinks she should be treated better than she treats people. You want power lady educate yourself enough so other people don’t have to think for you until then don’t run for President. Please give us all a break. A fourth grader knows Africa is a continent. Stop blaming you aides you are a grown woman with five children.
How about a Palin-Bachmann ticket in “0-12″? (Love that the pitchfork waving masses at Sarah’s hate fests, I mean……. rallies,were a bit ignorant of numeral place value and scream “0-12!” Says it all. (I’m also sure that they don’t know the term “per diem.”
BMoon, your remarks about Obama make you look less than objective or just grossly uninformed. Besides, what makes you think YOU have a better understanding of foreign policy than a man who graduated top in his Harvard Law class and taught Constitutional law at the University of Illinois? Are you some kind of political savant who knows more than a U.S. Senator and can, therefore, pass pithy judgment on his statements about foreign policy? Give us some insights into what makes you so smart and Barack Obama so ignorant. Anybody who compares Sarah “I can see Russia from my kitchen” Palin to Abraham Lincoln, Harry Truman or Ronald Reagan obviously knows as much as she does about those presidents. Lincoln was one of the most eloquent statesman in the history of the Republic. Did you ever read the Gettysburg Address? You think Sarah Palin’s borderline illiterate use of the language is at that level? Wow. If you’re an example of the people who are still supporting Palin and want her to run 2012, the Democrats will be in the White House for the next 16 years.
The answers that Sarah Palin gave Katie Couric are either
(a) the produce of a well prepared “quick study, photographic memory”, (as described by the Palin Aide)
or
(b) the product of someone who refused to prepare for the interview (as described by a McCain Aide)
We’ve all heard the answers she gave, and might reasonably guess who is lying.
Three things cannot long be hidden the sun, the moon, and the truth. –Confucius.
Anonymous tips do have their place. That being said however, how unprofessional is it for any so called news agency to report innuendo without first checking the validity of the facts, without first doing its homework? In this case, sloppy journalism, unsubstantiated facts, spurious comments, only serve as allegations for Sarah Palin to repudiate. Character assignation; insult to injury. It’s part and parcel of the “culture of mendacity” manifested by the Left (as evidenced by the above comment). Simply put, the press oftentimes deliberately reports that which they should not report, while failing to report that which they should: http://theseedsof9-11.com
Sarah Palin in 4 years will not be so cute. Her 17 year old daughter will be divorced and without a college degree. Even her retarded baby won’t be so cute. If it wasn’t for her ability to put family and friends into government jobs her whole world would be in disarray. The knives are out even in Alaska she is done folks the dems would love to go against her in any election anywhere south of the north pole. Bring her on, cuz if we learned one thing more exposure does not help out that hillbilly from Wasilla.
Sarah is going to appoint herself to the U.S. Senate after Ted Stevens is re-elected and then resigns or is expelled by the Senate.
Since this occured NOW, there is a window of opportunity open for Gov. Palin to appoint herself to the U.S. Senate.
Under Alaska state law, no special election would need to be called if the Senate vacancy occured and was filled before the end of this election year, 2008. Sarah would be able to fill out the remaining six year term. She would be up for re-election in 2014.
Ted Stevens will probably be pardoned by President Bush shortly before Bush leaves office next year.
So its…. Fillibuster Baby Fillibuster.
To Senator McCain: I bid you fair winds and following seas. Please tell any RINO senators left and all RINO governors not to run anymore, because they’re losers. If Obama is serious about bipartisanship, he’ll make you Secretary of Defense.
As for Sarah Palin, I’d rather Huckabee gets the nomination in 2012, because he’s older and more experienced. Besides, Palin needs some time to get her house in order and recover politically from this loss. I do, however, like her for 2020, and Jindal in 2028. They’ll be 57 +/- 1 year by then, so that should be plenty of time to build up credentials. Let Huck have his turn, since he’ll be McCain’s age by the time it’s Jindal’s turn if they run in that order. Obama will screw things up for four years, and then we’ll get Huckabee-Palin-Jindal for 24.
While the liberals here deride Palin’s supposed ignorance, they simply expose their own. You drank your own Kool-aid and the stains remain…
Please keep on underestimating her… please!
Palins a stupid ahole
Palin won’t be in the national spotlight again. Remember Dan Quayle, supposed Rep superstar? Ya, neither do I…..
Too bad Jindal won’t be old enough in 2012.
CORRECTION: my math was wrong. Jindal is the man you want. look at his resume.
Boy, libs really hate when there are those of us who speak our minds without having been brainwashed by the new Marxist propaganda Obama machine, namely the new socialist leaning media. This will make you blow smoke out of your ears and foam at the mouth, but here it goes: There are plenty of us who love our freedoms, hate our wealth redistributed, dispise punitive socialism and, yes dare I say it…Love Sarah Palin and all she stands for. She has more strength and character than your Obama has pretended to show though his fancy teleprompted speeches, most of which weren’t even really his. And guess what…we’re not going away
I like Sarah Palin and hope that she can become the Senator from Alaska. After a term or two in Washington, she will be ready for prime-time. It’s always fun to watch the members of N.O.W., Planned Parenthood, and the faux sophisticates from the ivy league schools, get their panties in a bunch.
Kathrine
“Yet despite the huge surge in the GOP’s favor after naming Palin to the ticket, the McCain campaign squandered away her appeal. Some wonder now, in hindsight, whether this waste was intentional.”
Are you suggesting John McCain deliberately lost the election?
Westlake
“Love Sarah Palin and all she stands for. She has more strength and character than your Obama has pretended to show though his fancy teleprompted speeches, most of which weren’t even really his. And guess what…we’re not going away ”
So what exactly does she stand for? What we were told about her didn’t translate to the campaign trail.
As for strength of character, someone with strong character would have been able to resist the urge to stoop to being a mere insult spewing attack dog, and been more like, say, Reagan. Who could contrast his position without sounding like a thug.
If Palin can decide who she wants to be, and actually focus on issues. Then by all means run again in 2012. But if she thinks nothing from 08 was her fault, the GOP doesn’t need her.
Cheesehead,
“Palin won’t be in the national spotlight again. Remember Dan Quayle, supposed Rep superstar? Ya, neither do I…..”
Apparently Dan Quayle was recently spotted wearing a Sarah Palin wristwatch.
westlake
Well, from the pro-Romney content on a site that tends pretty libertarian, I’d say Romney learned something from Obama (or at least Axelrod).
Besides, what makes you think YOU have a better understanding of foreign policy than a man who graduated top in his Harvard Law class and taught Constitutional law at the University of Illinois?
What make you think YOU have a better understanding of politics? Your statement is completely false.
Nobody knows what Obama’s ranking in his law school class was because he’s failed to release his transcripts from Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law. As for teaching Con law, Obama taught, part time, at the University of Chicago, not Illinois. It’s his friend, mentor, and employer, domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, who indoctrinates students at the University of Illinois – Chicago campus.
Palin says it’s all spin. Everything the news reports is a liberal lie. A gotcha question. Unfair. She is so damn innocent.
Repubs face it -the woman is a freak of nature.
The point of running for office is to win elections. Could Sarah Palin win a national election on the top of a Presidential ticket? As matters now stand, I doubt it.
Even if she is nominated, all the people who are so taken with her now voted for John McCain. There weren’t enough of them to win this election. Proportionally speaking, there will be even fewer of them by 2012.
If Sarah Palin is the “best hope for 2012″ she will have to convince somebody besides “real Americans” and committed Republicans to vote for her.
As of right now, I can’t see why anyone else would.
Why do people find it difficult to believe that a woman who couldn’t name one newspaper or magazine she regularly reads thinks Africa is a country?
Wow, no one can stop talking about the idiot from Wasilla.
Romney is going to need a whole lot of diaper changes between now and ’12.
And Obama can flat-out forget about giving up the cigarettes.
Bill @#94 – Her answer was clear: She reads all of them. She didn’t name a specific paper, because the question was so insulting. For God’s sake, she’s a sitting Governor! She has to read these things. She also gets daily briefs. She gets technical energy data. Her answer wasn’t wrong: The question was. The proper response was, “Ugh. Sarah can read!”
For all you other trolls going on about “seeing Russia from AK”, let me explain her answer for you, since it was too subtle for you. She had the highest security clearance of any of the candidates. Know why? Because AK is on the front lines in case of a Nuclear War. She is the CO of the AK National Guard. That includes the active duty 49th Missile Defense Bn. That means she gets high-level national security briefings on international threat data. But, because it’s all classified, she can neither confirm nor deny. All she could do was point you in the right direction and hope people could connect the dots. She knows lots more about international affairs than she was allowed to let on. Get it?
As for her “vicious, hate-filled attacks”, that was her job! The VP candidate is supposed to do all that so that the Prez candidate can look Presidential. Get it? Biden did the same thing, but no one cared what Biden said. The VP candidate is the attack dog, period!
As to the article, Palin’s appeal is the symbolism of her history. She should have a movie made of her life. She is classic Americana. She lives conservative values. She lives a feminism outside of the pro-abortion crowd.
Watch scenes of her rallies. See how the girls and young women look at her: hero-worship. They know. She doesn’t have to say a thing. She has it all, and they know it. They want their lives to be like hers. Her life is proof of the validity of Republican values. That’s why the left see her as such a threat. Lord, but she makes liberal heads explode.
I’m serious about the movie. If they produce such, it’ll be an immediate blockbuster. They can cast Tina Fey in the role.
Mmm Sarah Palin as independent 2012, like Geena Davis in Commander in Chief… I think so! Palin is the best thing to happen to America in a long time. End of story.
Why do I believe she’s that ignorant??? Because I’m sure she thought Africa was a country…I mean she’s only recently gotten a passport…it’s so crazy such a woman would be chosen as vice-president to begin with…
http://mylifeiscrap.com
#96 Anonymous was me. Oops.
I too think a 3rd party needs to be formed consisting of the decendants of true “European” All-Americans! I totally relate to all that Ms Palin stands for!!! The minorities are the main source of crime in this country! The dems, gays, minorities are what’s wrong with this country! with God as my witness I’d like to take my shotgun and blow this country back to the good ole days of the pre-civil rights crap! Rebel yell…Palin 2012!
Julien @ no.98 Why do you think Sarah Palin is ignorant? I suspect it is because you would rather be spoonfed by the MSM rather than see with your own eyes and make your own judgement of her character.
Her comments about Africa were taken out of context as have most of her other reported comments. Watch Palin on the hustings and Palin in the debate and you would have to be wilfully biased (like the MSM) to say she is ignorant. She wiped the floor with Biden.
Or can’t you cope with a woman with power?
This is absolutely ridiculous. Palin faced more negative press since McCain announced that she would be his VP through today than Obama has in his entire life. But apparently, equity and balance in the media are not important to many of the posters here, so I’ll leave that issue for another day.
I will say the following, though: people need to get over Palin’s bad interviews. Biden said that electing Obama would bring about a serious domestic and international crisis, and no one seemed to care. Murtha called his electorate racist rednecks and won his reelection; where was the MSM then? Unlike maybe people have argued, Palin’s interviews are not indicative of her intelligence. Rather, at least those first two with Gibson and Couric, indicated that she was not a traditional politician who knew how to lie and get away with it. In a world where everyone is absurdly expected to know everything, this is incredibly dangerous flaw.
But that’s exactly why I like Palin. Unlike Couric, I don’t care what newspapers and magazines she reads. And I certainly don’t care if she knows McCain’s voting record. It’s her core values that are important. What are her views on government and spending? What does she think about America and what does she think make this country great? These are questions that she answered day in and out at every campaign stop.
And these answers are the ones that mattered. Apparently, 96% of Republicans agree with me, as well as the 62% who see her as a front-runner in the 2012 elections.
I dedicate the following lyrics to Sarah Palin from Steam’s 1969 song:
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye
(Repeat as often as you like)
I am a very concervitive male, with all the male mentality. I have totally become dedicated to Gov. Palin ideas. Even my girlfriend loves Gov. Palin, my girlfriend comes from a very liberal home.
I am 48 years old and have reservations about Pres. elect OBama. Myself, as well as my family wishes to support Gov. Palin and most endevors she pursues.
I do believe she has the country in her best interest.
I am a individual who would give support to Ms. Palin, I want to see our country remain sound.
I am waiting patiently,
Daniel Todtenbier
I’m a Palin supporter too. The election is over, but the media is still talking about her. Why? Because they are trying to destroy her so that she doesn’t come back.
No, they are talking about her because the depth of her stupidity is now no longer “off the record” and can be discussed. If you think a person who;
1) Doesn’t know, as a sitting governor, which three countries are signed to NAFTA
2) Doesn’t know, as a sitting governor, that Africa is both a continent, AND a southern country located in said continent
AND
3) Doesn’t have the intellectual acumen, as a sitting governor, to answer a few slightly cutting questions from a snarky reporter and instead folds like a rented tent on national television
is qualified to be president, than good luck to you. Its time for the Goldwater, Regan, and Milton Freidman types to realize that Palin is a byproduct of the southern strategy. Go dance with rattlesnakes and push creationist legislation with Pat Buchanan and Palin in 2012 if it makes you happy, but I don’t want any part of it.
In the meantime, don’t dedicate one brain cell as to why your capital gains taxes are 40% and anyone with half a brain is moving to Asia or Luxembourg. Otherwise, it might upset your argument slightly.
Sarah Palin running in 2012 is nothing more than “hype” setforth by the media and the GOP because they are desperate and angry because they lost. Sure she fired up the GOP base reading from her scripted papers at her rallies, which anyone could do in front of a crowd cheering for them, but she NEVER appealed to any others outside of that group, and her racist taunts in her campaign will never be forgotten, and she will NEVER get their vote. She has had her 15 min. and hopefully she will soon be forgotten. She’s more media HYPE than substance and a lingering thought that the GOP can hold on to instead of accepting that they lost this election. Sarah’s lingering 15 min. seems to be lasting a little longer, but once something else dominates the media in the political agenda, she will SOON be forgotten. She deserves NOTHING else and MANY will be glad when the media stops talking about this woman because she is NOT worthy of anymore airtime.
I like Sarah. I think she is a good person and a real woman. God bless her and her family.
But its
Bobby Jindal in 2012!
Extremists and haters on both sides are the freaks. Showing their asses all the time with the ridiculous accusations and proclamations they fling out. These comments are full of it. Almost makes the mainstream media look kind of rational.
Matthew O’Brian — Very True
I’m so sick of these people using every stupid rumor as part of their arguments. These statements are no different than the questions of Obamas citizenship or his diploma.
Palin didn’t come looking for this job….it was McCain that CAME TO HER (probably hat-in-hand) in an attempt to throw some red meat to the conservative base (which he knew he was on shakey ground…remember campaign finance reform and immigration reform to name a few).
In a few weeks, Palin grew and struck a nerve with the base (and probably with some Indies and Dems). This, of course, has made her a target of the Dems, MSM and her potential rivals in 2012 (Romney and Huckabee).
Her enemies are foolishly dismissing her as a “flash in a pan” or “15 minutes of fame”…that’s a mistake. Those false images were made possible by McCain’s bungling and outright stupidity. They used her as a prop, but the prop has taken a life of its own.
All I know is that someone ought to step up to the plate surely, decisively, and quickly. It only took 4 years to get a Reagan in the White House and a Republican Senate after the 1976 Carter debacle. For my money, that person is Sarah Palin. But whoever it might be, let’s find them and get ‘er done!
rspar – The question of Obama’s legal qualification to be President is not some spurious rumor. He has failed to proffer proper evidence. On the contrary, he has obstructed all efforts to obtain the information. It’s a simple thing: produce your vault copy of your birth certificate. Make it go away. But he doesn’t.
Honestly, as an American, doesn’t that bother you? Don’t your hackles rise when you think of it? Or is it just that you want him to be Prez so badly, that you’re simply willing to waive the requirement? If so, then say so, but don’t simply waive it off as just another rumor.
(Sent to Senator John McCain: only HE can plead Gov. Palin’s Case!)
Dear Honorable John McCain:
Will this letter get to you? I would like to hear from you.
I am JUST ONE person, alone in Orlando, Florida, AND PERHAPS NO LONGER IMPORTANT IN THE PROCESS…I voted, campaigned and fought for you during this election; I delivered many votes for you, and proudly defended your “honor” and guts to name Sarah Palin…WHERE ARE YOU NOW, MY MAVERICK, WHEN THIS BRAVE WOMAN IS BEING ATTACKED RIGHT AND LEFT BY YOUR X-STAFFERS?
You, who defended even Barack Obama on stage when he was attacked by your audience, You, a truth teller, I need to keep believing I did the right thing by you. Usted es todo un heroe y un gran Senor! I want to see my hero come out in behalf of Sarah Palin. Nothing for nothing, Sarah Palin gave more than she took, IF she took anything! Maybe she SAW through your staffers from the git-go. Please, it’s not enough to hear that the sources are anonymous. It’s MORE to hear YOU, SENATOR MCCAIN, come out in her defense, for a person who “gave her very best” in an financial crisis environment she did not help create (Washington and Bush Administration) My gutsy and brave Senator McCain, do your “thing” one more time! Go on Bill O’Reilly and vindicate this awesome woman who campaigned her heart out for you on the stump! You defend Joe the Plumber! Defend Governor Sarah Palin now, because we still believe in you and her! Make it good on O’Reilly who says every night you have an open invitation…you have always done the ‘right’ thing. Don’t disappoint this one still proud inidividual who cast a vote in your honor and because I still believe in you. And, most of all YOU OWE IT not only to Gov Palin, but to those of us who believe in you, a maverick, truth teller.
Warmest regards,
Marsan
Debra:
The make up of the world’s leaders is not that of hockey moms or fashionistas. They are hardened leaders with a firm grasp of foreign policy who are quite knowledgeable in world affairs,
Well then since Obama is a product of the most corrupt thuggish political machine in the US he should fit right in.
“well-practiced talking points of the day with devotional hysteria.”
she did NOT stand up and talk as well as Biden.
what a delusional moron you are!
marc malone is a blithering idiot
- a federal judge dismissed the joke of a case, hawaii says his BC is valid, Factcheck had it also.
I want you to keep repeating your blather!
PLEASE!
Hello Marc Malone,
“The question of Obama’s legal qualification to be President is not some spurious rumor.”
Yes it is.
The question of Obama’s legal qualification to be President is entirely a spurious rumour. Please follow link or read below…
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
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OBAMA”S BIRTH CERTIFICATE: FINAL CHAPTER
By Amy Hollyfield
Published on Friday, June 27th, 2008 at 05:21 p.m.
SUMMARY: Since we published Obama’s birth certificate, questions about its authenticity have been frequent and fierce. After reviewing the evidence, we’re confident in our rulings.
It started as a whisper, a trickle of nagging doubt.
“As a concerned citizen, I’m wondering if there isn’t something fishy going on with the Obama certificate.”
“I have serious doubts about the purported ‘birth certificate’ you were sent.”
“Something doesn’t smell right.”
Soon, e-mails and blog posts were flying. As the pace quickened, the tone sharpened.
“You should be apologizing … for your misinformation regarding BO bogus birth certificate, that you claimed was genuine!”
At full throttle, the accusations are explosive and unrelenting, the writers emboldened by the anonymity and reach of the Internet.
And you can’t help but ask: How do you prove something to people who come to the facts believing, out of fear or hatred or maybe just partisanship, that they’re being tricked?
• • •
Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a document PolitiFact.com had sought for months. Countless chain e-mails, seeking to paint him as a secret Muslim, speculated that his full name included Muhammed (or Mohammed). Some said he is not an American citizen.
As a fact-checking news Web site, we went to extensive lengths to sort out the truth. We got a copy of his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics. His driver’s license record from the Illinois Secretary of State’s office. His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Not to mention all of his property records.
Not one of these documents shows a Muhammed (or Mohammed) in Obama’s name. They all read “Barack H. Obama” or “Barack Hussein Obama.”
The ultimate document we sought was Obama’s birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren’t public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.
On June 13, 2008, Obama’s campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won’t go away: He’s Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true.
When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.
Then the firestorm started.
• Where is the embossed seal and the registrar’s signature?
• Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.
• Isn’t the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document “June 2007?” (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)
• There’s no crease from being folded and mailed.
• It’s clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.
• • •
At PolitiFact.com, we’re all about original sources. We don’t take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.
When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical). But every answer triggered more questions.
And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate’s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?
Because if this document is forged, then they all are.
If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.
Sounds like a Vince Flynn novel.
• • •
Peter Goelz knows a little something about conspiracy theorists.
He was managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board in 1996 when TWA Flight 800 crashed off Long Island, killing 230 people. While the NTSB’s investigation found no evidence of sabotage or terrorism, the Internet was stocked with insistent accusations.
“We were right at the beginning of this Internet lunacy,” Goelz said in an interview with PolitiFact. “And there were a variety of crackpot Web sites and Web commentators that generated all sorts of rumors. The principle one was that TWA in fact was shot down by an errant Navy missile in … a live-fire exercise off the Hamptons.”
Nine miles off Long Island, in the middle of summer. And then a full-scale coverup by the Navy and all the sailors involved.
“I am sure that we spent another $10-million, perhaps $20-million, out of a $50-million investigation, to just knock down and put to bed these kinds of rumors, these insidious rumors,” Goelz said. “We felt like we had to answer every question because it was such a public and dreadful and confounding event.”
Goelz, who is now a communications consultant in Washington, D.C., says the Internet has given a platform to anyone to say anything. And a way to find others who want to hear it.
“Online, they can be almost anything,” he said. “They can be the crusading investigators that they always wanted to be.”
• • •
The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama’s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.
“I guess the big issue that’s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,” Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. “Because they scanned the front … you wouldn’t see those things.”
Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.
And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.”
Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”
• • •
And there’s the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible.
But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.
There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion that the candidate’s name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.
And that’s true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.
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peace and love
Westlake
Marson,
“You, a truth teller… I want to see my hero come out in behalf of Sarah Palin.”
Has it occurred to you that maybe the reason McCain has not come out and defended Palin is precisely because he is a truth teller?
westlake
Barack Obama has won the election and he will be the next President of the United States. The people have spoken. He campaigned for 20 months so if there were any untruths about him out there they would have been discovered.
As far as Sarah Palin running in 2012, that’s way too far off to talk about but the GOP needs that said to soothe their egos after their loss. However, don’t be surprised that if in the future a highly educated and qualified young woman arises and decides to run herself, and the media will say “Sarah Palin, who?.
15 min. and counting 14, 13, 12………..
Let us hope that Sarah Palin was not so disgusted by this campaign as to refse to run in 2012. I will very, very actively work to put her on the national ticket, she was the ONLY reason I voted Republican this year (well, that and a fear of the socialist we elected). I do NOT agree with Sarah Palin on every issue, but I do NOT doubt that she is a true patriot, and will stand up for those issues that matter to me, such as REAL, ABSOLUTE SUPPORT for our military!!
we know you rabid religious were mesmerized by the lying Palin.
so Please keep pushing her , we want you even more right wing.
It is f*ing on for 2012. if there is still a country left. AIP!
Sarah Palin is not being unfairly criticised by those within the GOP or, for that matter, those outside. A person who stands for the highest (or second highest) office in the land needs to bring some intelligence to the equation – and that’s a quality Palin patently lacked. It’s only fair and right for the sake of the GOP and for the sake of the USA to raise the issue. Palin is a great connector, and a good communicator (albeit clearly without the range and gravitas of Ronald Reagan – so please, no more comparisons!) but these aren’t by any stretch of the imagination sufficient skills for a President. They’re parts of the package but not the whole package. Really, the GOP should start with a clean slate. There’s plenty more talent than this novice from Alaska. This is America we’re talking about – not a high school pageant.
Timothy – it wasn’t McCain who came cap in hand to Palin. It was his handlers, and I’m not trying to be clever here. The recent New Yorker piece clearly documents the way that Palin began putting feelers out (she hired PR people to get her into the East Coast media) and the way the Conservative Media “discovered” Sarah while on an Alaskan Cruise. Come Convention time the marriage was stitched together in an act of desperation. McCain wanted Leiberman, and his handlers argued him out of it: citing Palin’s erstwhile popularity in Alaska, her conservative views and the factor of disenchanted Hilary supporters. It looked like a game changer – and for a week, it was. But that was before Palin aquitted herself so apallingly in that Kouric interview. Coming the same week as the economic meltdown, McCain faced the perfect storm.
Sarah,
I will be 60 years old next year and have been an avid student of history and politics (as well as a Navy wife and mother) since I could read a book. You are a breath of fresh air in the otherwise stale rarefied air of 545 people who have lived inside the Potomac for too long to remember how they got there. My husband was an intelligence analyst for the Navy for 36 years. He retired in October at the age of 58 so that Obama’s name would not be anywhere on his papers. The way the world is spinning out of control (chaos theory in action) we do not need a neophyte in office who bought his way into office, does not know what ethnicity he is (he is only 1/6th black…I’m part Cherokee) and has the knowledge of a 6th grader of world events. He should have had at least the major part of his cabinet already in mind and the way he seems to take advice, we are going to have Pelosi and Reid running the country instead. I am so sorry for the lies and stabs in the back by someone in your campaign advisory committee and shame on McCain that he sent his campaign manager to your defense instead of having the courage to do it himself.
I am not now and never have been a feminist or racist, but if you are still interested in 2012, go for it girl! And make term limits for Congress as well as the presidency one of your first priorities. That’s if there is a country called America left in 2012.
Merry Christmas (while there is still a thing called Free Speech) and go with God,
Linda-Sugar Land, TX
you would think by all the mudslinging on here the election was still going, get a grip people.You now all have to get your ducks in a row and move on. As for Sarah Palin, I admit I did not like her nor McCain. I saw a woman ill-prepared,and was not willing to listen to anyone but her own voice. if you believe in her so be it, but don’t call those who did not vote for her or disagree with some of what she said Un-american. Its time to sit down and decided the wants and not wants in our lives. you are all being so petty that you have forgotten one thing you live in a free country,you have freedom of speech, you don’t have to worry about being tossed into prison if you disagree with the government, you have food on your tables. Sit down now, count how many credit cards you have in your wallet, sell that gas guzzling SUV,spend more time at home rather than going out to eat and other entertainment, rent a movie, read a book, spend time with your kids. Tell yourself “do I really need it” and if not well don’t buy it…the economy is in rough shape and only you as a collective group can help,won’t work if your divided. Take a look at what your parents sacrificed for you, are you willing to sacrifice for your children or grandchildren. Americans are spoiled and have no clue what they have, until it may be gone. I’ve also seen fear, fear of change, fear of the unknown, what makes some of you so afraid of Obama? Is it the color of his skin? his age? or because we need to think outside the box remember this is the 21st century..we need to change directions, we need to keep pace with the rest of the world. Only you can do it and I truely hope to see the bickering stop…for all you die hard pallin fans..go to Pallin for America website..you can chat to your hearts content, why because they don’t believe in Freedom of Speech and if they note you being nasty about Sarah they ban you. Now that to me is a very Un-American site. So good luck all and good night.
Teri: It’s not the color of his skin but the culture he brings to America. As Peter Hitchen wrote, “The night we waved goodbye to America — our last best hope on Earth” says it all.
Palin: I liked her but she’s not presidential material. In a head-to-head match-up with the “Messiah” in 2012, she will be defeated by a greater margin than Goldwater in 1964.
Forget all the nonsense written before your comment. The blame rests squarely on the shoulders of Republicans. McCain like Bush abandoned limited-government conservatism and at the end many Republicans chose not to vote. We presented an angry 72 year-old man, a reminder of Bob Dole, as the alternative to “that One” and it wasn’t a contest. Obama learned the positive “city on the hill” lesson of Reagan. What I’ve written is “thinking out of the box” as you say. Forget the Palin web site. Keep her in Alaska and support her for the U.S. Senate. Good night to you too.
As a Liberal – all I can say on this subject is PLEASE, PLEASE run Sarah again.
From what I have read here, everyone seems to forget that she was tapped for VP just 3 months before the elections. As for calling Africa a country, she knew a lot about Darfur and since I studied geography in the 60′s, the names of all of the countries in Africa and the USSR have changed. Plus she lives in the only state that actually borders on Russia and China both, so since they are out to pull us down economically among other ways, I imagine she has her hands full just worrying about that.
I have talked to so many 30 somethings and 40 somethings who can’t even tell me the geography of America, much less the rest of the world. My husband has been in over 100 countries in his career and knows that someone like Obama with only 143 days of actual government experience is going to have to be a quick learner to resolve all the problems we have today. Besides, it is usually Congress who makes or breaks the country, not the president.
I also think we need to get rid of the electoral college. When only a half dozen or so states actually elect the president and the media announces the winner before the polls close in states like Alaska and Hawaii, we are living in the past. Neither Obama nor McCain saw fit to come to Texas…our electoral votes don’t matter.
As Confucius said, we are destined to live in interesting times….be careful what you wish for…you just may get it.
Good night to all and to all a good night,
Linda
James Westlake – The material you presented is a worthy argument, and I shall consider it along with the opposing information I have seen. The man who filed the lawsuit, Philip Berg, is a Chicago-area Democrat. The information and research he put forth is far more extensive, and was included in his lawsuit.
The suit got tossed based on legal authority, not invalidity. It is coming before the SCOTUS. It is not spurious. He could be wrong, but the purpose of the suit is to get the missing information. It’s not just about his birth certificate. It is also about his citizenship. It took me hours to read all the stuff that Berg submitted in his case. I won’t get into everything about it, because it doesn’t really matter what I say. The Court will decide the issue.
Regarding McCain’s silence, you could be right, but the simpler explanation is that McCain still wants to be at the center of things. He’s always afraid of alienating the other side… to the point that he tends to more readily alienate his own side. He sure likes to play the role of useful idiot, sometimes.
Thanks, however, for being the first to actually put forth some substantial info in an opposing opinion on the subject.
Here is an explanation of the Palin hatred so evident in this thread-
People hate what they fear.
Sarah Palin has a cheerful authenticity that millions of people identify with. Liberals fear this, being neither cheerful nor authentic.
I see Palin as a rookie politician with all the raw skills. A few years on the practice squad, and she’ll be ready to lead.
Oh- and Obama is toast in ’12. You Obama people have really been fooled. It will become plain to you soon enough, when it’s too late.
“Oh- and Obama is toast in ‘12. You Obama people have really been fooled. It will become plain to you soon enough, when it’s too late.”
Well, I am sure you thought this in 2008 but people sent a very clear message this election.
Do I think that the GOP lost this election due to Sarah Palin? Absolutely not. It seems the Carl Rove style divisiveness demonstrated by the GOP isn’t enough to win elections an longer. The GOP can’t divide the country now so what is left? Divide their party? I am a democrat and even though I didn’t vote for McCain I thought it was courageous of Sarah Palin to walk in to liberal places like NYC on Saturday Night Live, which is like walking in to the lion’s den. I guess you got the GOP which is the stereotypical republicans and you got everyone else, everyone else voted for Obama.
Oh and what about Joe the Unlicensed Plumber talking about the state of Israel? You didn’t think that campaign tactic was a little ridiculous?
Well done, Marsan (at No. 113). Hope you can post the reply!
Obama didn’t create the Palin backlash. *Palin’s* “pals” in the McCain machine are the ones who believe that she’s so laughably stupid that they want everyone to know what a joke she truly is. Even Republicans can’t stand someone as ignorant as Palin.
Hi Marc,
there is some more stuff here, though you may have seen it already:
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Born in the U.S.A:The truth about Obama’s birth certificate.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/just-the-facts/rezko_reed_reality.html
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best regards
Westlake
Hi The commentator,
“I guess you got the GOP which is the stereotypical republicans and you got everyone else, everyone else voted for Obama.”
I think this is a really good point.
The defining split in voting patterns this election wasn’t between Liberals and Conservative nor Democrats and Republicans but between the Religious Right on the one hand, and a coalition of moderate conservatives, independents, liberals, mainstream Christians, Muslims, atheists, agnostics and others including those who don’t self define themselves in in any such terms.
or to put it another way: EVERYONE ELSE!
peace
westlake
Hey James Westlake,
You hit the nail on the head. Let me add my two cents.
The GOP has been kidnapped by the Religious Right. After reading some of these posts, I am eerily reminded of Jim Jones. Sarah Palin is the new Jim Jones.
I am sure there are some moderate Republicans who are put off by what is now going on in their party. However, they seem to be silent. And that reminds me of something Martin Luther King once said:
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people.
1) Palin needs 4 years of college level education in civics, political history and geography unless she just wants her job back as mayor McCheese-cake of Wasilla.
2) She can be counted upon NOT to do any fancy book learnin’ because she has no interest in developing a world-view; in fact she doesn’t even know WHAT a world-view is. She’s a one-dimensional cartoon character masquerading as a public servant. She’s dangerously dumb.
Let’s make this clear as day. Sarah Palin in 2012 would throw the last shovel of dirt on top of the Republican Party. There is no more McCain Palin and we need to be thankful for that. This grand old party needs to rediscover itself as the conservative base of this country that it had previously been since Goldwater in 1964 and we have the next two years to demonstrate that. Palin is a smart woman and I am sure she would have been fine as Vice-President of the US (use Biden or Mr. Potahto as comparative examples!)However, it was McCain who was running for President and he is as conservative as, well, Joe Biden and shares the same sense of compromise. It is time for this party to rescue itself from 12 years of Bush politics and rescue the country from the next 4 years of Obammunist politic.
I love Sarah Palin but unless she does some more homework she cannot be the Nominee for 2012. When asked what USSC decisions she disagreed with other than Roe V Wade she should have without hesitation brought up the Kelo case on Emminent Domain.
Sarah Palin speaks for herself: “That’s what I say that I like every American I am speaking with we’re ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bailout, but ultimately what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, um, helping the, oh, it’s got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and, and putting it back on the right track; so healthcare reform, and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans and trade we have we got to see trade as opportunity not as, a, a, competitive, um, scary thing, but one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today we, we’ve got to look at that as more opportunity, all of those things under the umbrella of job creation, this bailout is a part of that.”
Barack Obama did not vote 94 times in favor of tax increases, although Palin said he did. If you’re going to lie, doing it by making up an easily-disproved falsehood is … charmingly naive, one might put it?
Sarah Palin was *hoaxed* by French-Canadian broadcasters. It is the country next to Alaska, Canada is, and you’d think she’d have had a passing knowledge of who the politicians in the neighbouring country were, given her “foreign policy” experience as “an executive in the oil industry”.
And you know what? I am tired of Palin and people like her claiming that only their experiences have authenticity: like being undereducated and incurious is more valuable than being open-minded and learning things. My grandfathers grew up in very poor families; both were the first to graduate from high school, both worked their way through college, both “made good”. My mother never graduated from Gunnison County High School – because she won a full scholarship to the University of Chicago at the age of 15 and went to university at 16. She has been a great mother, a supportive military wife (57 years married, so far), 39 years a teacher. She’s 80 years old; when she needed surgery last year her church had to find five people to do the work she had been volunteering to do.
But the Palinites would say that because she has two master’s degrees and a PhD and is a feminist – like my dad – she’s “elitist”.
No, my mother is not “elitist” and Sarah Palin isn’t “authentic”: she’s ambitious, untruthful, and narrow-minded.
And she doesn’t know when the Harry Potter books were published. She needs to go back into journalism, which is where her talents would be most valuable.
Because my husband was an intelligence officer for over 36 years when he retired early because he saw which way the pendulum was swinging…you don’t go to visit Iraq and turn your back on the soldiers like Obama did and retain your respect of what is sure to be the new CIC….he has a wealth of knowledge about a lot of what you are talking about here. For one thing, Obama has a Kenyan grandmother who swears she witnessed his birth in Kenya.
The trouble with all of your arguments is that none of this information, true or false, could be released until after the election. Whatever the media and pundits spewed out in sound bytes was swallowed as whole fact by millions of people, because like it or not, Obama was the media’s darling this year.
People today don’t take the time to read books and really delve into the facts made available about all the candidates. They read blogs on the internet and don’t do their research or really listen…they have about a 15 nanosecond memory about facts presented.
Personally, I have studied history and politics since Aristotle (who coined the word “rhetoric”….which Obama was very good at….rhetorical comments that mean nothing and great charisma). He sounded great and looked even better until his first press conference and he stuttered and sounded like a schoolboy throughout. I have also studied world and American history and the geopolitics of the last 200 years intimately.
This is simply the pendulum swinging back in time. Our history runs is 40 generational cycles and since my 20% interest loan on my house in Carter’s time, we’ve had it very good. It is time for the pendulum to swing back to those times.
Santayana said in the 1860′s that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Today, most of you don’t even study history so you have the advantage being just as ignorant in many ways as you are accusing Sarah Palin of. You don’t need a degree (I was just a nurse) to learn new and important things. But I also have always had an insatiable interest in history and politics and the benefit of being in a special program in school in the 60′s…JFK poured money into the public schools to push the brightest ahead of their time in the space race with the USSR and I was at the top of the class. No brag, just fact.
But because of that, I listened to what my husband had to say and read a book a day…that’s right, whole books, not excerpts on the internet which didn’t exist then and decided for myself. People will say and do anything to get elected. Whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii or Kenya will not be resolved in the next four years, so you are stuck with whomever or whatever he is. The media’s love affair with him will end shortly and life will go on. The wheels of government turn exceedingly slow.
Thank you for your time,
Linda
Texas
The “anonymous” workers coming out and saying all this garbage about Palin are just sore losers. And they are a bunch of cowards..if you are going to come out and slaughter someone’s character, atleast have the balls to put your name on it. Cowards. McCain’s advisers can’t take any responsibility for their own mistakes so they feel they must find someone to blame…and how easy to pick on Palin. The liberal MSM illuminati have been doing it for months now.
James Westlake – Apparently you never got the memo concerning FACTCHECK – it’s funded by ANNENBERG; the SAME Annenberg who also funded Bill Ayers’ and Obama’s programs’s to squander money on socialist ‘education’ initiatives.
If Sarah Palin had been able to convince John McCain to switch position on three things he would have easily won the election:
1. Global Warming stopped 10 years and therefore no crisis exists to justify limiting CO2. Sarah and a MAJORITY of Americans do NOT believe that the insignificant amount of CO2 from humans can possibly be a significant cause of global warming.
2. Stop the bailout. A majority of Americans are AGAINST bailing out Wall Street and just consider it rewarding bad behavior with our tax dollars – which it is.
3. Kick out the illegals and dissuade more from coming here by DENYING them rights to which such criminals were never entitled to have in the first place.
ION! – Impeach Obama Now! (Why wait?)
Linda – “….JFK poured money into the public schools to push the brightest ahead of their time in the space race with the USSR and I was at the top of the class….”
And JFK is turning over in his grave because today we’re pouring money into schools to force all students to march to the beat of the slowest drummer while the brightest are IGNORED. In MA, some schools pay 4 to 5 times the average student cost trying to teach mentally retarded kids to pass standardized tests when the most we can really hope for them is that they’ll be able to get a job bagging groceries and balance their checkbooks. That while the gifted students get virtually NOTHING extra! So there’s little question why we have a shortage of engineers, physicists, doctors and mathematicians and have to seek them from places like India where they encourage excellence..something they learned from us back when we used to do it.
Sarah Palin is the best thing to happen to the GOP in a long time. She is a great person and if she chooses she will be a force to be reckoned with in the years to come. I’m proud of her.
@James Westlake
You asked: Are you suggesting John McCain deliberately lost the election?
Deliberately? Not at all. However, I do think that untrained monkeys could have run a more responsive, insightful campaign than McCain’s staff did.
- Katherine
Go to palinforamerica.com if you want your freedom of speech violated, they will ban those who disagree with their way of thinking
I disagree with you Mike. What is sad about Palin is that all her lines – her “jerks” quotes etc, all sound like High School – and the whole thing has just been a nasty catfight for who’s gonna be Prom Queen. Oh you people who disagree with me? Well you’re just immature – so there! For her, the campaign was all about the jocks versus the nerds in the debating society.
So long as the GOP stays fixated with this narrow minded princess they will remain marginalised. Palin is not the future. I never thought I’d see a politican who would make me think that both Dan Quayle and George W Bush look relatively intelligent. Sarah’s really achieved something there.
Oh for sure, the Dems will quake in their boots if Palin runs for pres in 2012 – but quaking with laughter, not fear.
James Westlake – Yes, I’d seen the factcheck info before. Still, the longform hasn’t been released. what makes me suspicious is the fact that all these pedestrian things have been blocked. Why not release the long form birth certificate? The judge ordered it. Why did he not simply comply, instead of fighting it? My hackles are up. Can’t help it.
If he were applying for another job requiring a security clearance, he would have to provide open access to background info. Why not for this? In fact, I think it should be a formal part of the process: birth certificate; school records; criminal records; etc….
Our only hope in 2012 is a voice like this:
Ronald Reagan’s “A Time for Choosing” (audio better than video) at
marklevinshow.com
This is the battle we must wage if we’re to survive. Let it ignite us into action.
Obama did not know that the USA had 50 states! And all the libs think he is so smart. God save America.
..Palin Who..??..
actually 51 states Dylan, if you want to count Hawaii…so obvioulsy you don’t even know.
Dear Vinaigrette Girl:
In all of the rhetoric above, I have only one question and it is just for you. What in the world difference does it make that Sarah Palin or any one for that matter would know or care when the Harry Potter books were published in the whole scheme of things? Of everything I have read here, that is about the most ignorant commentary on the state of what a politician should be focusing on that I have ever seen.
JFK read all of the James Bond books. Can you tell me when they were published and who they were written by? It is called escape fiction and it doesn’t matter if anything was written by H.G.Wells, Ian Fleming or whomever. Some things are important and some are just for fun. I have read The Lord of the Rings, but couldn’t tell you one thing about Harry Potter because they are not that important to me. And my sons can’t stand them (the fact that they are 26 and 34 may play into that….LOL).
By the way, people find me extremely open-minded….there are just some things more important than others. I could only hope you were just adding a dash of sarcasm to an otherwise fairly well written treatise.
Linda
Sugar Land, TX
Dylan,
I did not know I would be defending Obama, but try making the same speech sometimes 6-7 times a day in different places for almost two years without making a mistake or two. It just doesn’t happen.
But then factor in the argument that there ARE 57 Muslim states and draw your own conclusion…tired brain or Freudian slip?
Linda
Texas
I would have voted for McCain because he was not Obama. When Sarah was chosen and her credentials and convictions became known, I decided that my vote for McCain was a vote for Palin in 2012 or 2016. Now I plan on supporting Palin for 2012. Where do I sign up.
Viniagre girl: the educated elitist title is only an earned title, and not earned because you have a superb degree! The educated elitist refuses that intelligence can exist in a raw form, it has to be formed and molded by certain schools of thought, and only those thoughts are considered to be correct, ie progressive and cultured, while the un-correctly-educated unwashed paysans (serfs) can not possibly know what is in their best interests. I know nothing of your mother, however if your grandparents and mother only made it because of their studies and the accompanying pieces of paper, then it sounds like elitistism to me. However, if their studies and diplomas, brought something deeper to the creation of jobs, or enterprise in the economy, and they realize that, then it most likely not. But I suspect, since you can not fathom (or it scares you) the natural talent and candid intelligence of someone like Sarah Palin. You think you need fancy titles and papers (like dogs, cattle or horses) to actually be of importance…I truly feel sorry for people like that, and I believe that, that in and of itself is the reason that left, right and media have tried to take apart Sarah Palin. Whoever is behind all of these attacks on Sarah Palin, I think that they, like this “girl” are misguided and self important elitists. And I don’t care about the paragraghs, and am very sorry for any typos, or faults of grammer usage…but simplicity and “regular people” values tend to always be spot on as the English say…Go Sarah!
Teri google the United Stated and then realize how many states there are and get back to us…very interesting point Linda, about the 57 musilm states…
The Alaska Senate race has not yet been decided. Senator Stevens has a 3000+ vote lead but now the absentee and contested ballots must be tallied. If he maintains his lead and he is certified as the winner, what happens if his appeal fails and he is convicted and sentenced? He will then no doubt be ejected from the Senate. This is where it gets interesting. Does Sarah Palin, in her capacity as Governor of Alaska, have the constitutional authority to appoint someone to serve out the remainder of Senator Stevens term or must a special election be held? Given that the Democrats are so close to that super majority number 60, with a recount in Minnesota and a run-off in Georgia looming, this is crucial. If she can appoint another Republican, the Democrats still don’t get the rubberstamp majority. If a special election must be held, Governor Palin is the logical choice. As a Senator, she would be the voice of the conservative opposition and from a political standpoint would position herself to take on Obama in 2012.
Dear #96/ Anonymous,
Thank you for expanding on Palin’s need to know basis about the security problems surrounding her state. My husband’s position in the Navy limits what I can talk freely about, although I know just about everything he knows and he knows more about Obama (through military intelligence)than even Congress knows. His clearance runs almost as high as the president’s.
Palin is neither stupid nor ignorant. She is plain spoken and in these days of lies and dissembling and not being able to define what “is” is (Clintonspeak)does not get a politician into office. Money, charisma and the innate ability to look good while dodging a question does. Clinton dissembled and Bush was obstinate. Everyone has a fault.
We will find out what Obama’s main agenda really is and just how ignorant he really is…by then it will be too late. He is already starting to slip and he hasn’t even been sworn in yet.
By the way, in the speech about the mistaken number of states, Obama said 57 American states…while there are truly only 50 (there were 48 when I was born)…there are really 57 Muslim states. As I said before, the love affair with this president is going to end much earlier than most and we will be stuck with the fallout.
Thank you for your explanation,
Linda
Texas
Dear Right Wing conspiracy theorists,
Which is Obama REALLY: a Muslim Fundamentalist or a Marxist?
(tip: He can’t be both as they diametrically opposed ideologies)
regards
westlake
Or, he could be — dare I say it — so soulless that he’s trying to be all things to all people.
Just sayin’.
Kathirine,
” he could be — dare I say it — so soulless that he’s trying to be all things to all people.”
mmm interesting theory… you actually believe that it is Obama who has been spreading these rumours in order to appeal to that oh so illusive, yet vital, Muslim Marxist vote! Do you really think that is likely?
peace
westlake
going to get nit picky are we view from afar….guess you better take your passport next time you go to Hawaii then…yes I think we all believe it is a state, but not recognized as one….why don’t we all just except it Obama is going to take over the world lol…..I also took note ye on google it said 50 states and 1 district…then there was another shall I keep going for all the websites….silly, silly
Linda @#166 – You’re welcome. As you can see at #99, ’twas I whodunit. I stated it once or twice before, but it seems to get no traction.
Moving right along. Obama said before visiting the white house this week that he has already spoken with every living ex-President, which I assume includes Carter, Clinton and George’s dad. I would love to have been a fly on the wall for that last conversation. George H Bush is an interesting man, it would be fascinating to know what those two men talked about and what advice Bush Sr gave to Obama.
Islamists are typical fascists who’ve learnt there lessons and they and the Marxists not only have the same teachers they have the same enemies – ever wondered why leftists go to so much trouble defending the creeps against their own country’s safety? ‘The enemy of my enemy is my friend’ as it were. They have everything in common just different flavors and both think the other is under their control. Both need to be wiped off the face of the earth.
I finally got a good look at Palin, on Gretawire tonight, and she is great. I understand what people see in her. teamsarah hsa the video on their front page.
Marc Malone,
Actually I started writing about this at #126. Every where you see Linda, that’s me. I hope you read everything I had to say because I could only talk in generalities. Only you and a Mike M. at #148 made any comment on anything I said.
I thank both of you for validating what I had to say. It seems that everyone else is still fighting the battle when we have obviously lost the war. But I have spent the last 16 years listening to Clinton trying to get out of a morals dilemma. My God, JFK took Marilyn Monroe to the White House, but they didn’t do it in the Oval Office and he received regular shots of Demerol for his back the entire time he was in office…which didn’t effect his judgment…probably helped it.
Bush’s problem was that he was a good Texas Governor (by the way, all governors of every state are considered Commanders in Chief of their National Guard…that is their official title). But too many things happened in his eight year term and his obstinacy took over and he quit listening to his Generals (my husband has worked in Joint Commands around the world with every one that you hear in the news…). As a naval intelligence officer…a Captain…same as a full Colonel…he had gone to college with at least 4 of them and ALL of them sang his praises to the highest. But that is where he obtained his knowledge of the candidates and left after 36 years. He could not work for a CIC that he has absolutely no respect for. ALL of the generals congratulated him and most of them retired before the election.
Makes one ponder the ramifications and what they all knew, doesnt’ it?
Thank you both,
Linda
Texas
Teri,
In answer to your innane question about how many states we actually have, I was born in 1949, so let’s just say I was there when it happened. Alaska became the 49th state in January 1959 and Hawaii was voted in as the 50th state of the union later that same year with all the rights and privileges of the other 48.
What you all seem to not understand is that the District of Columbia is just that, a district surrounding Washington proper. They can vote in elections.
The next surprise is that Puerto Rico, being a territory of the USA, can also vote in all elections. The Phillipines used to be an American territory until they were given their independence in the late 70′s to early 80′s. A couple of the Caribbean islands are still considered to be US territories. They may vote…about that I’m not sure. As I said before, world geography has changed at an alarming pace since the 60′s and with all the wars in Africa and now Russian former territories, the names keep changing.
Just keep reading and studying….”View from Afar”…you are right. I have an Associate’s Degree (I had a shot at MIT but chose nursing instead…it was extremely easy to find a job anywhere) and I was an RN for over 40 years. My husband has a Master’s Degree and both my sons have degrees. I keep telling them I would like to finish, but all of them say it’s only a piece of paper. Abraham Lincoln was self taught and became a great president. It is all in what you do with your life.
You don’t need a passport to visit any of these places, but they are rarely mentioned in the media. As I said before, the electoral college is over due to be dissolved when only a half dozen or so states make an election and we all have the technology to vote and get the votes counted in a reasonable time limit.
Good night all,
Linda
Texas
you very right Linda, my apologies. I was just joking to View from afar about the passport thing for crimeny sake. Everyone is so busy bickering they have lost their sense of humor. The election is over with, has been for a week. What, is everyone going to keep arguing their point for the next 4 years. Time to get on with your lives, time to reaccess your needs, the what we need to the what we don’t need. Their will be plenty of time to see how things develop under Obama. Things aren’t going to happen overnight and he needs the support of all Americans. Be lucky you all have the freedoms you do have!
Palin is way too extremist to the right to get elected president. Romney would have been the best pick in the general ellection, but the tipping point of the GOP base apparently are intolerant of an extremely poised, economic savvy, poised and articulate candidate who could speak with experience about business and health care coverage, happens to be a Mormon. the problem for the GOP is the dialog, the current dialog is appealing to the people that voted for Mccain because of Palin, that is an intense but not big enough amount of people to win. If the GOP continues backing all the same polices, if it keeps the same narrow definition of its party and what is acceptable, it will not broaden its support. McCain and Romeny were both forced to be flip flopy on some issues and subjects because of the demands of the narrow base of acceptable opinion in the GOP, and then change that flip when in the general ellection. McCain could not be the agent of change or the real maverick because the GOP forced him to become a generic republican.
Katherine Berry is up from no citations or quotes in her last piece, to citing
unnamed staffers, Unnamed McCain aides, unnamed GOP insiders alleged
anonymous McCain aide, former Mitt Romney supporters, though she did forget “Deep throat” and Santa Claus. Bravo Katherine for learning how to insert hyperlinks. .
My personal prediction for Palin (ie, the Jessica Simpson of Politics) in 2012 is “Dancing with the Stars” or “Surreal House” or if she is really lucky, a reality show with the whole family like Ozzy Osbourne.
I like Sarah Palin’s views, but do not think she holds a candle compared to Mitt Romney as far as experience and intellect goes.
are their any series possibilities that the republican party will now split?
westlake
113. Marsan wrote:
“McCain: I… proudly defended your “honor” and guts to name Sarah Palin…WHERE ARE YOU NOW, MY MAVERICK, WHEN THIS BRAVE WOMAN IS BEING ATTACKED RIGHT AND LEFT BY YOUR X-STAFFERS?”
Silence speaks volumes here. If the stories were lies, if McCain truly respected Palin’s intelligence, he’d be out publicly refuting the stories that paint Palin in a bad light.
She’s precisely as much of an airhead as the Couric interviews implied. She is, however, charismatic and boundlessly ambitious, and will have an enthusiastic base of supporters as a substantial minority in the Republican party.
She is unelectable, but she’ll try and thus divide the Republican Party. If it seemed that embittered Hillary supporters were a headache for the Democrats, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
Mike Huckabee seems like a better choice at the moment. If he had more exposure he might have made a better choice than McCain. He needs to be in the public eye a bit more. I’m not sure of his qualifications but after Obama it is clear qualifications are not necessary.
SteveMDFP,
“She is unelectable, but she’ll try and thus divide the Republican Party. If it seemed that embittered Hillary supporters were a headache for the Democrats, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.”
You BETCHA !-)
westlake
Bogdan , you nailed it exactly as it is. Watching the same thing here in Sweden were the media drooling over any rumor, it’s also appalling how American media dismember their Democracy and attacking this woman with lies they themselves invent.
“The land of the free , home of the brave” Not so much , anymore..
Better yet Newt Gingrich. The man is that good.
A Gingrich Huckabee ticket would be awesome.
Newt is qualified is smart and has common sense. Anyone watching him on FOX can easily see this. If you can’t you’re biased.
MCCAIN’S TARNISHED HONOR
John McCain has damaged his own reputation for no apparent reason:
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/11/mccains-tarnished-honor.html
Steve – good point. It could turn ugly.
GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE, referring to the new President-Elect. Republicans LOST, move on and stop being such sore losers. Oh yea, PALIN IS NOT THE ANSWER FOR 2012, OR ANY OTHER YEAR. SHE HAD NOTHING TO OFFER NOW AND I DON’T TRUST THAT WOMAN AT ALL. SHE IS A LIAR, A MANIPULATOR AND OUT FOR HERSELF AND THE SMALL BASE THAT LIKES HER AND BELIEVES HER BS. GOD AND COUNTRY ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS AND SHOULD NEVER BE BROUGHT INTO POLITICS. Stay up wind Palin and leave us alone.
McShame… God Bless You. “Ditto” on everything you said. Palin is a fake, wacko, and a Bible Banger. No place for that in NATIONAL politics. That might fly in Alaska, obviously it does. We can only hope that those hillbilies up there start to see through her. She is not even fit to run that state, if you call it a state, as they would like to sucede from the rest of us. I didn’t like her from the moment she opened her lying mouth.
Palin? The GOP’s best hope in 2012? Give me an f—— break! The woman is a $150,000 empty suit. One has to wonder what McCain and his staff were thinking in choosing someone so ill-prepared to become vice president. Biden had his gafs, but Palin? Wow.
I’m not even sure what was the clincher with me. Not being able to name a Supreme Court ruling other than Roe v. Wade was facinating considering the Exxon ruling was centered around an incident in her own state.
What bugged me is her not admitting to reading anything in particular. Like her I was a journalism major. From day one I was encouraged to read something every day begining with the daily newspaper!
Her foreign relations experience due to Alaska’s proximity to Russia? Well I lived in Laredo at one time. I could see Nuevo Laredo from…
And don’t even get me started about NAFTA, Africa and for heaven sakes.. the word is not pronounced “nu-ku-ler.”
And I could go on and on about NAFTA and Africa, the Bridge to Nowhere, but why bother.
The last thing the Repubs need is another retard in the White House.
I think the article is on target with regards to the hatchet job on Sarah Palin by members of her own party. I think it is shameful to dismiss her as a “hillbilly” when she has accomplished much more than her critics. How many of her detractors have been elected govenor? She has great apeal with the right as she makes no apologies about being on the right. The only republicans that have been able to win elections or re-elections are those that run on the right wing party line. Every Rupublican that ran as a liberal conservative has been defeated. Love her or hate her, she stood her ground admirably and refused to waffle from her personal convictions. As a career military member, she earned my vote and my respect. I hope to see her again in 2012.
What people don’t seem to realize is that swing voters helped elect Obama just like they helped elect Bush into the White House. Does one party being in control of the White House for eight years have something to do with the opposite party coming into power, you bet. Just ask both Bush(because of Clinton) and Obama(because of Bush) are they the only reasons, of course not. The economy also contributed to Clinton’s defeat of Bush the first one, and to the defeat of McCain. Another factor to the defeat of McCain an increase in voter registration of Democrats(learned from the Republicans voter registrations of 2000 & 2004. Another thing that helped Obama is his LONG campaign with Hillary Clinton while McCain sat idle. Obama was forced to campaign in almost every state. Another thing that helped elect Obama was the selection of Sarah Palin as a Vice-Presidential candidate. The fact that 90% of Hillary’s block of voters saw her as the G.O.P.’s way of trying to swing the Hillary vote for what it was, helped to hold onto to more voters than he may have otherwise. Did thousands if not more women vote for McCain because of her, sure. Did thousands if not more vote for Obama because of her religious rigid beliefs, sure. Did voters swing to Obama because Obama ran a more calm campaign, sure. Did voters swing to Obama because he stayed on “point” and McCain didn’t, sure. Why do I keep bringing up swing voters? Because the Democrats registered at most a little over 2 million voters and Obama won by OVER 7 million voters. Where do you think they came from, when this country is almost evenly divided Between the Republicans and the Democrats. The Democrats that whined about Bush over the last 8 years have themselves to blame, and the Republicans that ARE ALREADY whining about Obama have only themselves to blame. And all the people whining about the issues, not even half of the voters pay enough attention to all the issues to know where their candidate really stands. People vote for the candidates they choose for ALL KINDS OF REASONS: their party affiliations, their religious beliefs(the RELIGIOUS RIGHT),their civil rights views(beliefs for or against gay rights & women’s reproductive rights), Constitutional Law, and gender to name a few. Did some people vote for Obama because of the color of his skin, probably, but it wasn’t as many as people think. African-Americans traditionally vote Democrat, Kerry recieved 92% of the African-American vote while Obama recieved 95%(African-Americans only constitute 13% of the TOTAL POPULATION, not the VOTING POPULATION, the entire population. Will Obama be an effective leader, a good, poor, or GREAT LEADER, only time will tell. Will Obama win a second term if Palin faces him in 2012, PROBABLY the odds are HIGHLY IN HIS FAVOR.
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