Sarah Palin, Her Daughter, and the Smear Machine
So, Bristol Palin, 17-year-old daughter of VP nominee Sarah Palin, is five months pregnant. While that closes one door — the endless rumors of the teenager being pregnant with Trig four and a half months ago and her mother faking the pregnancy for her — it opens another avenue for attacks on the newly named GOP VP pick.
Sarah and Todd Palin say their 17-year-old unmarried daughter is pregnant. The couple said in a statement released by John McCain’s presidential campaign that Bristol will keep her baby.
Sarah Palin is McCain’s vice presidential running mate. The Alaska governor says Bristol intends to marry the father of her child. She and the campaign also are asking that the media respect the family’s privacy
Privacy? Don’t bet on it. This is a whole fresh pile of mud for the left to start slinging. They’ll attack Palin’s family values stance, talk about how Palin teaches abstinence, and start trotting out the hypocrisy meme. Except this is not Palin who is the unmarried, pregnant teen. It’s her daughter. It’s not particularly shocking when a teenager does something against the parents’ teachings, is it? If we were to call out every parent who taught abstinence from sex, smoking, drugs, or drinking then had a kid indulge in any (or all) of those, we’d be here all day.
The fact is, the left is all about privacy in the matters of the womb. Were they to stay true to their colors, this mantra of theirs would seem to preclude them from judging Bristol’s pregnancy and her choice to keep her child, right? It will be interesting to see how this plays out. The Kos kids and their blog followers have already made one attempt to ruin this girl’s life. Now that they have a story with actual truth behind it, we’ll have to sit back and see how far they run with a teenager’s identity.
Let me make it clear: there are many things I don’t like about Sarah Palin. We are ideologically opposed on numerous issues. Her stance on creationism and her pro-life zealousness are just two examples. Two big ones. There’s the fact that McCain chose Palin for VP after meeting her only once; I’d like to think that more thought goes into the process than the need to find a conservative woman for your ticket. I’m naive like that. But the last two days of mudslinging against Palin have been so extreme, they have transformed her into an almost sympathetic figure in my eyes. More important, the barbs thrown at her have made me look upon liberals with a level of contempt I have not felt since, well, 2004.
If I’m rushing to the defense of a woman whose core ideologies I oppose, then something pretty bad must be going on. And that something smells like a pungent mixture of hypocrisy and desperation.
I find this hate and despicable smears by the far left and Dems beyond belief. What kind of people are these? Have they no ethics, morals, values? They are happy for hurricanes that could kill and harm American citizens and distroy homes and businesses…they think it is a sign from God? They lie about Sarah Palin and her children? Shame on Obama, the Democratic party leaders for perpetrating of lies and distortion of facts; it speaks volumes about the candidate and the party. It is certainly not a party I could ever support. America, have you no decency?????
Abstinence only, forced birth, shotgun wedding, etc.
Unmarried teen pregnancy = Republican family values.
Palin’s ‘creationism’ has extended to suggesting supporting discussions of it in classrooms – not imposing it as doctrine. Red herring, unless you’d like to include discussion of Marxism, global warming, international law trumping the US Constitution and appeasement trumping military strength in your list of proscribed ‘ideologies’.
The message from the BHO campaign is clear……..they are nervous about running against a woman who can cook, shoot, fish, run a business, and raise a family. It does not support their pre-ordained image and they don’t know what to do about it.
Time will tell if McCain made the right choice, but from all initial indications, it sure looks much better for him than for BHO.
If McCain had properly vetted his pick…we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Not sure the unmarried, underage pregnant daughter really reflects “conservative values” all that clearly to the American people….
Obama’s mother did not marry her Sperm Donor.There is a an Old English Word for that condition. The Young Lady goofed and there is an attempt to correct it.
Congratulations Michelle:
You have just joined the ranks of the real post-racial, post demographic thinkers. She talked the talk and now she walks the walk. And in full support of her daughter, her disappointment in her judgement notwithstanding. I even cut Obama a bit of slack when he states he’d rather his kids get an abortion if either gets impregnated.
That stands in sharp contrast to the Palins, but shouldn’t they also be lauded for not being hypocrites? Sadly, the attacks are going to intensify as if Sullivan and Colmes weren’t degenerates enough for their crap. But it may very well have the opposite effect intended.
Tragedy that the Palins have to go through this.
Responsible, mature choices by a 17 year old girl and her boyfriend. – Palin
Being “punished with a baby.” – Obama
Which looks better to us?
The Democrats better not go there because I would support playing “being punished with a baby” soundbite 24/7 with Palin’s kid doing the responsible thing.
P.S. Leave this kid alone. It’s none of our concern and does not disqualify Palin from being VP.
It is a non-event that her daughter is pregnant. Girls of 17 are considered mature minors. Seventeen year olds have been getting pregnant & married for centuries. Some wed, some do not. Most teenagers are “having sex”, it is not BIG news. It’s just L-I-F-E.
I find it hypocritical that the Democrats are going to use this as a smear machine. Democrats are for giving children “sex” education in school, handing out condoms, and supporting alternative lifestyles. How many Democrats lost their virginity at or before 17? Didn’t Obama say in Saddleback interview that we should be supportive of unwed mothers? Now, “He” is ready to pound the first stone. Hypocrite.
I am joyous and hopeful for Palin’s daughter and her new marriage. True, she has a mountain larger than Everest to climb. But, if she is a chip off her mother’s block, she will succeed.
Remember this — those Republican family values wind up with a live baby…..Now that’s Republican….life vs — hmmmm..you can fill in the blanks.
I’m not surprised, this is the sexist party that supports the way Obama treated Hillary.
The left trotted out Cindy Sheehan as mother of the year, but apparently Palin, mother of a soldier gets no such admiration.
Aren’t democrats supposed to support working mothers? Apparently not – their latest message is that a woman can’t be a good mother and have a career, and that mothers of special needs children should stay home and shut up. Nice message and women are listening.
The left praised Gov. Kaine as the penultimate running mate. Should we describe him as an ex-missionary to Honduras, forcing his religious views on people, and an ex-mayor to a town not even in the top 100 of America cities with only a fraction of the land mass and resources of our “smallest” state, Alaska? Sexism and mysogyny.
That’s the ‘change’ we believe we see, whether we can believe in it, or not.
Palin has frightened the ‘good ole boys club’ down to their toes, and considering they don’t start above the belt buckle and they are small men indeed, it wasn’t a long journey.
BTW, lots of families have had to deal with teen pregnancies. Does the democrat party want to call all of those parents hypocrits and bad parents?
Great platform.
It makes no difference what problems Republicans encounter, they will still win the presidential election. After all, George Bush (the second) won the last election under extremely questionable circumstances and still made it into the office for his stumbling, bumbling second term. As long as the oil companies and the people who own stock in these companies are alive and well — Republicans will remain in office to make sure that money talks and honest, hard-working folks with little or very average incomes will continue to suffer higher prices, lower salaries, abysmal health care programs and just basically lack of respect and concern from those who have the money and/or the power.
Hey, we ain’t talking about running for the PTA. She is running to be Vice-President. This is 17 year old in need of her mother right now. She should withdraw and let McCain off the hook. BTW, I am for Barack.
“What’s really interesting here is the prying into Palin’s personal womb space. I thought that was off limits? Isn’t that part and parcel of the whole lefty oath that “one should never invade the sanctity of a woman’s womb or what she does with it”? Now somehow it’s okay to question one woman’s uterine activity.” Good point. So much for the left’s support of a woman’s right to make her own decision. They are really frightening folks. With so little respect for and threats against women (Hillary, Hillary supporters and now the Palins), I wonder if the Democrats hired rape squads from the Balkans or Dafur.
This is an election michelle obama was called everything but a good mother the far right went so far as to suggest she was a terrorist so please save the pity speech what cant handle the fire and the allegations against palins daughter r actually true the only thing that is bad about this is that she had to be smeared to actually reveal the truth and last the dems didnt put that out there so cry about the right person smearing your perfect mother
Is anyone thinking of this down syndrome child. I know as an uncle of a down child that it takes a 100% commitment to raise a child with those challenges. THERE DEFINATELY IS NOT TIME TO BE A VP AT THE SAME TIME!
It would be a scandal if Palin insisted her daughter getting rid of the baby for the sake of appearance. Scandal would be if an anti-abortion Palin hid her pregnancy and aborted a Downs baby.
In short: family value is the value of taking responsibility. If you are pregnant, you either marry or give up the baby for adoption, you don’t kill the “little inconvenience”. If you have kids, you raise them in a two parent household.
Rumor: Palin married because she was pregnant. So? Palin is 44, her son turns 19 this year, she was pregnant 20 years ago at age 24. In the old days, this is called common law marriage. Scandal would be: Todd was already married, and they had a love-child. (In the old days, a love-child is called bastard.)
It appears to me that the “ad hominem” attacks on the person of Sarah Palin by the “Democratic Attack Machine” suggest that they have nothing better to offer and that they fear the impact she will have during the next two months. The Democrats bear witness to the adage that if you are unable to address the issues, you attack the messenger.
so were basically going out of our way to make sure people dont dig up anything on an unknown woman who might possibly be the president of the USA yeah that makes sense lets just wait and listen to the great stuff she has to say about herself. WERE REALLY SMART
No no one is thinking of the child that got left by the poor mother who people r just picking on because shes the republican VP
I am an Obama supporter, but in no way should these factors that sarah has no control over weigh in. Of course they will because perception is everything. But we’ve all been young and done things that we regret. I do think that McCain made a mistake picking her. I think she will be a good running mate, not so much a good VP. Last thing we need in the white house is people who don’t fully grasp critical domestic, global, and foreign problems we face.
Palin’s daughter is having the baby and marrying the father. Palin has five children herself. Palin has absolute moral authority on abortion.
On the other hand, Obama says that he wouldn’t punish his daughter with children.
Put abortion on the front burner. And let the debate begin!
Wow this thread is suffering from some serious infestation.
Did somebody turn over a rock at Daily Kos and the creatures took off and landed here ?
Sad and pathetic. But by all means keep it up if you dare. Obama himself said that ANYONE in his campaign who ‘went there’ would be fired and that this was absolutely off limits.
Period.
Too bad he didn’t tell his bootlickers at Kos that they had 12 hours to sweep the garbage out off their site or he would consider them to be persona non grata.
The ‘left’ is morally bankrupt if not certifiably insane. My only complaint is the frequency with which it has to keep reminding everyone of that unfortunate fact. Can’t you all just go to your rooms, and mutter quietly if profanely amongst yourselves ?
I’m afraid this pick is turning into a real disaster. It seems the republicans are snake bit. This choice by Sen. Mccain is looking worse by the day.
Mr. Catalano, I’m not familiar with your writings or political point of view but I am now very familiar with your decency and moral foundation. Thank you for a great writing.
What does it say about our politics, when decency and humanitarianism is the exception instead of the rule. Thank you again and please don’t remain silent on this issue.
Obama on the controversy:
“I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits.”
That’s character…
OK folks, let’s cut to the quick: this news was going to break sooner or later, whether it came from the far left or not. In the meantime, lay off the Obama campaign as a source behind any mudslinging, unless you have concrete evidence. In the meantime, it’s no secret that the hands of far right are just as bloody as anybody’s when it comes to spreading dirt. It’s despicable all around. Let’s stop lashing out with irresponsible accusations, take the facts for what they are, and vote for the ticket that we feel will best serve the country given the pressing issues of the day.
—–> READ ALL ABOUT IT <—–
ST. PAUL, Minn. –”John McCain’s running mate Sarah Palin said Monday that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant, an announcement campaign aides said was aimed at rebutting Internet rumors that Palin’s youngest son, born in April, was actually her daughter’s.”
Oh Dear…..what have we here?
Friedrich Nietzsche really got it just right, didn’t he?
These delicious phrases from “Beyond Good and Evil” seem to me to be apposite to the scandalous news item above:
He said that “…equal rights, education, ambitions and obligations are typical signs of ‘shallowness’”.
He went on to categorize the nature of women as
“…their genuine, predator-like, cunning suppleness, their tiger’s claw beneath the glove, their naïve egoism,….the mystery, breadth and range of their desires and virtues…” and so on. [ F.N. said it, not me ]
Further, he said that women’s emancipation leads to the ‘uglification of Europe’ (or America, I guess)
And it IS going to get ugly.
Oh boy, here we go.
Read all about it at:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080901/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_daughter
The Wizard, don’t blame Obama for Palin’s daughter getting pregnant. Can’t you see that this is nothing but a game; it’s about who plays it better. Obama has had lies, proven lies, told on him. Here the truth is being told concerning Palin’s daughter–backed by Palin and McCaine, and you find that hard to believe. Since I see this as a game, let me give you another piece of information. There’s going to be an announcement that Bristol had a miscarriage. Why do I say that? Because it’s obvious that she’s had a child, Trig, which was a coverup by her mom. This is a matter of the lesser of two evils: Sarah Palin lied about being pregnant and having a baby or my daugher is now pregnant? Open your eyes. Do you honestly think John McCaine would have put her on the ticket if he knew before selecting her as his VP? No way!! This came out in within a matter of hours, I’m waiting to see what else comes out.
I think that Sarah Palin’s action as a mom are key to her running for the VP spot. Yes, she chose to have her youngest child realizing that he would have special needs. That must have been hard news for her to receive.
The decision to have a child is the first of many, and once you make it there are a myriad of hard choices that follow.
Her decision to run for national office at a time when her family has so many difficult issues to deal with seems to me to go against all of the ideals that those of us who cherish our families espouse…
Anyone who is involved with a child that has special needs knows the hard work and spirited efforts that parents make for that child. Especially in the first 6 years of their life. This is a commitment that she made when she chose to have this little man.
I would think that looking at ways to support her newborn son as he struggles with developing into a self sufficiency or being there for her teenage daughter as she becomes a mom would be priorities right now.
Her decision to move to Washington, rather than being in Alaska supporting her family decisions is very irresponsible.
Hillary was a mom when Chelsea was being raised. She became a senator when Chelsea went to college. Hillary was a great mom and a great public servant.
While Governor Palin has shown in the past that she can be an effect public official, her situation over the last year has changed. And those of us who are working moms — making hard choices everyday about our families and our career — see this as a bad decision…
You can hoot and hollar about a double-standard, but honesty as women we have to make the tough choices needed to protect our families. It is sad to see that a woman who has touted family values isn’t putting her family first…
Since the Republicans have been in the White House for 8 years, civil liberties and privacy is non-existent. That said, this is politics, not Sesame Street. If you think that this doesn’t matter, then you are full of crap. In politics EVERYTHING matters. If you say something by mistake it matters. If your brother or daughter did something, that will likely be in the front page. I agree, though there should be privacy, I elect that there be privacy for Palin’s daughter, as long as Palin agrees not to invade women’s privacy to decide on their reproductive rights.
Palin is a bad VP pick. Democrats have to say why on national TV because Republicans are up to what they do best, lying. I saw republican pundits on Fox “News” argue that Palin has foreign experience because Russia is next to Alaska. Then I saw other state that Palin has important executive experience because she managed the largest state in the US and that it was more important than Biden’s experience because he is Senator of a tiny state (not noting that Alaska is one of the least populated states). Also Palin said herself she doesn’t really care about or isn’t really experienced in foreign policy (remember who last said this? … George W. Bush). However, she says she will surround herself with “knowledgeable people” (like Dick Cheney?).
While Palin’s lack of actually useful National experience is interesting and fun for Dems, Democrats need to do is shift the argument to McCain’s Judgement. McCain is old and has had cancer 4 times. If he were president, and if he were unable to serve (God forbid, because I don’t want Palin to be president), Palin would have to handle what is 2 wars (if not a 3rd if McCain starts with Iran), an expansion Russian influence, God knows what in the MIddle East, and maybe even (God Forbid) another Terrorist Attack. McCain should think just like what he said about Gustav “pray for the best, and prepare for the worst.”
Someone who is very right, evangelical, and is a role model on Christian values and integrity, has a teenage daughter who is pregnant more than 5 months is on the VP ticket and it’s going to be treated like a typical American family matter?!? Are you kidding me? If this was a African American or Hispanic family with this same predicament, this would be played sooo different on the news!! WOW, we better wake up America and treat ALL people EQUAL, especially Palin who chose to be in the public spotlight, knowing her daughter was pregnant, and the potential it could blemish the political race. Again, the standards we put on Obama (a Harvard lawyer who has CREATED bills and worked on foreign policy issues) is completely different (and unfair) than what we put on his opponents, John McCain (who had affairs, abandoned his ailing wife, called his wife a c-word, etc.) and Sarah Palin (who is a proud hockey mom from AK saying “Yup, yup” to being ready for the Presidency.
The poor KosKids, sitting in the semi-dark in the basements of their parents’ homes and knowing, KNOWING, that for as long as they live, they will never, never get near something as good looking as Palin’s daughter.
I’d suggest this is very consistent, and that there is no hypocrisy at all on the part of the Palin family. What might be more interesting, at least, to me, would be the people condemning this situation. The girl’s seventeen, and she’s going to have the baby. That fits with how she was raised. She had sex out of wedlock (likely against what her parents told her), which fits with Teen Culture (such as it exists). Mom didn’t disown or condemn her-that’s family values.
In a Family, you take CARE of each other.
This is non-news and has no impact on Palin’s qualifications.
However, this is a good time to evaluate the success of abstinence only education, not in terms of pregnsncy, but in more significant terms.
We should be glad that the only sexually transmitted consequence Palin’s daughter got was a baby. Her unprotected intercourse potentially exposed her to HIV, herpes, chlamydia, gonnorhea, syphilis, Hepatitis-B and C, cervical cancer (human papilloma virus), and a host of other maladies.
Kids will have unprotected intercourse, but this girl had no education on how to prevent fatal diseases like HIV and Hepatitis B and C. She would never have dared ask her partner to use a condom or even had any idea what to do with it if she had one. Had she wanted to take precautions, she was woefully unprepared to do so.
Abstinence only education kills. There’s no candy-coated way to express it.
I really think a woman who wants to invade the womb of every woman in America and tell them they must have the child no matter the curcumstance should not exspect prvillage of privacy when it comes to her children. I agree with you there are a million things to debunk her. 20 months in office, less then 600,000 population of alaska, creation, global warming as false… this woman truely scares me.
The dems are taking a cue from the republicans. If you want to make the world better you have to attack every thing about the other person. I think Obama has not done enough to ensure victory. McCain attacks Obama every day without substance.
My question would you rather win and feel good and let the country fall farther in the whole George Bush dug, or would you like to get your hands dirty and make this country great again???
hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog
Hugh –
There couldn’t be a clearer difference between conservatives and liberals than this one…
Obama…
“If my daughter makes a mistake, I don’t want her punished with a baby”
Palin…
“As [our daughter] faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support.”
(also… “Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family.”)
When I, myself, became pregnant in college, my soon-to-be mother in law (a hard-core liberal Democrat who had openly encouraged me to have un-married sex with her son) expressed her “disappointment” in both of us – and immediately pushed for an abortion. My own mother (a sex-before-marriage-is-sin Catholic) immediately comforted me, affirmed her love for me and said, “There’s always room in our family for another baby.” My husband and I have been JOYFULLY married 21 years and have 4 amazing kids…. What an beautiful gift of love my mother gave me that day!
Babies…Punishment vs. Love. I think I’ll take love.
Warm Regards,
An advice to Bristol: campaign for mom with your baby in the tummy, by the time she is 35, eligible for the presidency, she can boast more than 35 years of Obama-nesque executive experience. Be sure to make her watch Travel Channel and talk about foreign policies while feeding her, to firm up her foreign policy credentials. Make her watch Sesame Street and the purple dino in Spanish, French, Chinese, and Arabic for her foreign languages training. Then sit back to the role of the daughter of the first woman president and mother of the youngest president ever in American history.
From hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog
Hugh –
There couldn’t be a clearer difference between conservatives and liberals than this one…
Obama…
“If my daughter makes a mistake, I don’t want her punished with a baby”
Palin…
“As [our daughter] faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support.”
(also… “Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family.”)
When I, myself, became pregnant in college, my soon-to-be mother in law (a hard-core liberal Democrat who had openly encouraged me to have un-married sex with her son) expressed her “disappointment” in both of us – and immediately pushed for an abortion. My own mother (a sex-before-marriage-is-sin Catholic) immediately comforted me, affirmed her love for me and said, “There’s always room in our family for another baby.” My husband and I have been JOYFULLY married 21 years and have 4 amazing kids…. What an beautiful gift of love my mother gave me that day!
Babies…Punishment vs. Love. I think I’ll take love.
Warm Regards,
Wow – looks like the freakishly liberal trolls are very active today.
There’s no such thing as a ‘perfect’ family, and 17-year-old people do have sex. Liberals seem to have no problem with gays running around having sex, but perish the thought of a male and a female getting together and producing a baby. Oh, the horror of it all!
It’s really none of my business what Mrs. Palin’s kids do or don’t do – they aren’t running for public office. It seems to me that the far-left can’t find any dirt on Mrs. Palin herself, so they are going after her kids instead. That’s a despicable thing to do, and it only shines a bright light on their hypocrisy and desperation.
Mrs. Palin is fully capable of sticking up for herself and defending her family, as is her husband. I suspect that we will soon see some of that action. Those liberal freaks mess with her family at their own peril.
Governor Palin understands what real American life is better than anyone in politics. Finally we have a candidate to represent us in Washington who truly is one of us.
Obama’s statement is too little, too late. His machine is happy to make personal attacks since Obama doesn’t measure up to Governor Palin in terms of experience and he knows it. Personal cruel attacks made on her daughter?! The Obama machine thinks they only have to plant a perception in people’s minds, and only if good people stand up to it issue a statement retracting it. If his supporters really were decent people it never would have occurred to them to attack the daughter of a Vice-Presidential candidate this way.
Michele and some of the posters are missing a few points. If we stick to the *facts*, we are obliged to consider these:
1. Republicans claim, and are widely seen to support family values, are more conservative, tend to be more religious.
2. Stemming from #1, Republicans, in general, support abstinence-only approach to preventing unwanted pregnancies, are against sex and having children out of wedlock.
3. Sarah Palin’s daughter *is* pregnant out of wedlock. From this, we can also conclude that whatever method she used to prevent getting pregnant, including abstinence, did not work.
Sarah’s daughter *is* what most people would consider to be rather young to have a baby. She *is* still a high school student.
4. Sarah Palin *did* get on a plane after her water broke.
5. Sarah Palin *is* a mother with an infant.
6. Infants, even perfectly healthy ones, need a lot of care and attention, especially when they are this young.
7. Any doctor will readily advise a pregnant woman not to fly in their last month or so, and certainly not after their water breaks. They will also make it clear that every pregnancy is different, and you can’t judge how a pregnancy will progress by looking at your previous expreiences.
If we can at least acknowledge these facts, then it is only logical to come to the following conclusions:
1. However she approached the issue of conservative values, pregnancy, contraception, marriage, etc. with her daughter did not work. After all, her daughter did get pregnant and is not married.
2. Sarah Palin did decide to ignore unanimous medical advice and get on a plane when, by all accounts, she was about to give birth to a baby. I think any doctor would agree that what she did presents an unnecessary and avoidable risk to herself and her baby.
3. Sarah Palin did decide to run a VP campaign, which undoubtedly will compete with her infant son for her time and attention. Any doctor, or any mother for that matter, will tell you that the more contact, bonding, care and attention you can give an infant, especially in these early stages of life, is very, very improtant. Also, I bet 90% of the women, given the chance, would take time off from their normal, 9 to 5 work to spend more time with their baby, let alone a grueling election campaign and possibly a very bust VP job afterwards.
4. The claims of being a socially conservative person with strong family values *does* contradict with having your high school student daughter get pregnant outside of a marriage.
I do want to point out that I am in no way blaming, or attacking Sarah Palin’s daughter at all. I do think it’s a bad idea to have a kid when you’re so young, and I would highly encourage my kids to think very carefully about the consequences, responsibilities, and demands of such a decision/outcome; but I am not blaming Bristol. What I *am* saying is, this is a clear case of hypocricy on the part of Sarah Palin, and that it’s also a good example of how policies like abstinence-only that are driven only by an ideological and religious approach to issues while disregarding some basic, observable facts about their nature tend to be unsuccessful.
Andrew Sullivan is still demanding proof from Governor Sarah Palin that is indeed her Trig’s son. The man is clearly unhinged with hatred toward this woman and her family. I doubt that even a video of the Governor giving birth would be enough proof to quiet his disturbed mind.
I hope Mr. and Mrs. Palin and their family has been given increased security.
This makes Palin more human and can only help the average person relate to her more than they already do. As a parent, you can teach your kids the right way, but you can’t make their decisions for them. Everyone experiences adversity, the measure of morals and character is how you handle adversity.
Navytech, while Palin may have “moral authority” over abortion, she does not have policy driven view of abortion. Policy is not about morality, if it was the D.C. ban on hand guns would have held, and if Policy was about morality Reagan’s Iran Contra would have never happened.
The truth of the matter is that if the government banned abortion women would be having unsafe procedures illegally, because if they are pregnant, and they can’t handle it for any variety of reasons (can’t afford it, mother may die, was raped, is in an abusive relationship, etc…). Here in percentage terms reasons why women have abortions the 800,000 abortions in the US (data from 1998):
25.5% Want to postpone childbearing
21.3% Cannot afford a baby
14.1% Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
12.2% Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
10.8% Having a child will disrupt education or job
7.9% Want no (more) children
3.3% Risk to fetal health
2.8% Risk to maternal health
2.1% Other
More than half of these can be avoided via contraceptives, but Palin does not want the use of contraceptives to be taught in school. If Palin were truely antiabortion, she would allow for education on the use of contraceptives which would greatly decrease the need for abortion. So yes Palin may know what she wants, however, she is not thoughtful enough or savy enough to know how to get there. So let’s make it illegal, but, news-flash, people, out of desperation, want, and need will do illegal things. Illigalization abortions will not only Not get rid of it, but will make it unsafe.
So Palin isn’t against abortions, she is for women dying via illegal procedures, she is for taking the working poor deeper into poverty, and she is for a black market of abortions. Such a limited mentality on this subject shouldn’t be in office.
I don’t like abortions, I am not “pro choice” and I am “pro life.” Abortion is an abomination, it should be reduced, but Palin’s and Republicans don’t understand how to reduce it, they just think criminalizing something will automatically stop it, and that kind of logic is clearly wrong.
I agree with many of the posters that we should all fight the rumors about Palin and her daughter. But how many of you feel the same way about the vicious rumors about Obama, such as not being a Christian, etc. You can’t have it both ways. There are bad players on both sides of the rumor wars.
Im noticing a trend. Repulicans love to make note of the democrats view on Obama’s lack of experiance when compared to McCain. When its pointed out that Palin is even less experianced, they point back to Obama’s percieved lack of experiance.
Now onto Bristol’s child. You point to Obama’s parents not being married. Or you speak about how kids dont always listen to a parent. Let me be frank, whether a child does or does not listen to their parents is irrelevent, if you have raised your child well with good moral values, they will listen to you.
Its called hypocracy people, The dems have not made a point of experiance because they dont believe it to be an issue, But the republicans obviously do believe it to be an issue and will ignore it to suit their own agenda. The Dems don’t preach abstinance education and then watch their children have to deal with teen preganacy. If you can’t manage your “family values” at home, then you have no right preaching them to anyone else.
Pissed of independant,
Arekin
Michele,
As you see by the comments here of Obama supporters don’t get it because they are too happy about the difficult challenges facing this 17 year old girl. The party of hate is jubuliant at this news. It’s almost as good as having a hurricane hit NOLA during the GOP convention. They just couldn’t be happier, unless a plague killed all the people in red states. Those are the dreams and hopes and aspirations of democrats.
And for the record, all the ‘sympathetic’ comments about the Downs child needing his mother – you lefties would have killed him – we know just how much you care about him.
As far as this being a bad decision, the McCain campaign can give you ten million reasons why it was a great choice; they’ve raised $10,000,000 since the announcement.
For you Obamatons that think democrat women are all about abortion, you’re betting the farm on it. What all women see is the way both Hillary and Palin are attacked, how they have attacked Palin’s children, and how judgmental the democrats are on careerwomen. We get it. You think a woman with more experience is less qualified. We get it. You think a woman cannot be a good parent and work. We get it. You think the maternity of a special needs child is great fodder for a smear, especially if you can tar a teenager in the process. You aim to hurt – and destroy. We get it. Message received loud and clear.
Here’s a little message for you. Governor Sarah Palin is going to show you dignity in the face of challenges. She is going to give you honesty to abut and confront your slimy lies. She is going to hold her head up like many mothers of special needs children who have careers and those who don’t. She’s going to continue working for her country and all the mud and phony concerns about her ‘inexperience’ (from people who think CAMPAIGNING is experience) won’t stop her. But keep trying. It’s winning votes for the GOP.
Nice try anyway Michele. Gloating about the hardship of others is just too much to pass up if you are a democrat.
When Edward’s wife had incurable cancer and little kids, no one told him to “quit” his race.
Why should Palin be told to “quit”? Sexism.
well, there we go the Americans eating foreign flesh…
I just have something to say here… Good girls=abstinence=sometimes they get pregnant because aren’t we all human at all?
liberal girls don;t get pregnant because their own parents give them condoms and pills and if it happens they get pregnant they will take them by their own to kill the baby even if the girl wants to keep it. Just like the cats cover their sxx under the ground.
Elections time! For me somebody who supports her daughters decision to go along with the pregnancy and support her child even knowing it will bring them to the top of the gossip! These kind of person deserves more respect than anybody else. If you want somebody to really look after your kids vote for her… not for somebody who hates unplanned children (“On the other hand, Obama says that he wouldn’t punish his daughter with children.) This man makes me sick… he is so fake!
A couple of points I want to make:
I wrote the initial article before the news broke about the pregnancy. I had to quickly add and rewrite with the new development. I say this, because I want to make clear that the point of the article was the disgust I feel for people who would go to great lengths to smear the name of a 17 year old girl to get at her mother, and to print anything, whether they be truths or non truths, about Palin just to find anything at all that would stick.
I know that both sides have always, in any election, been guilty of this very thing. I was as disgusted at the Obama/Muslim frenzy as I am about this. This article is not my endorsement of Palin, or any candidate.
There are plenty of real, important issues that one could argue about in regards to any of the four candidates. I wish that we could just stick to those issues that will impact our country rather than issues that impact a family. Briston Palin’s decision to raise her child and marry the father will have no impact on our country’s future. But pretending it does will have an impact on Bristol’s future and that of her child. We have issues like war, taxes, the 2nd amendment, the economy, etc. affecting this election. Let’s stick to those things and leave the children of our candidates out of it.
How can Palin be responsible enough to be in office if she’s not reponsible enough to know where her kids are and doing?
“Unmarried teen pregnancy = Republican family values.”
Hmmn… As I recall Jamie Lynn Spears (17, unmarried, preggers) was HAILED by the Liberal MainStreamMedia as “brave” and “responsible” as well as glamorizing the entire episode to the point that the girl was on the cover of several Mainstream Media Magazines as a role model…
Will wonders and HYPOCRISY never cease? Will Bristol be given a cover spread on a magazine with her Mom? Somehow I don’t think so.
Okay……I’m in Canada so far removed from what’s happening down south because of the hurricane and my heart and prayers go out to those affected by the hurricane. Now my comment on this subject, Sarah Palin’s unmarried 17 year-old daughter being 5 months pregnant goes against all the values of the Republican party and I as a roman catholic find it shameful for an under aged teenager to become pregnant when there’re many means of protection out their….I can tolerate as a catholic pre-marital sex….but give me a break…..there’s no excuse these days for a 17 year-old unmarried woman to get pregnant….what else is hiding behind the bushes?….should it matter?…..yes it matters and to say no makes you a hypocrite….McCain did very little research on Sarah Palin and everyone across the world are not blind and stupid to see this. To further make him an even bigger hypercrite he comes out with the news during the hurricane to soften the blow….and because the rumors had already started…..here’s the party of the Crove tactics which has no morals what so ever saying the Dems. should not make this an issue??….as a roman catholic the issue is clear….the bottom line is it falls upon the parents to teach their kids right from wrong…first she gets herself pregnant at age 43 when everyone knows the dangers of pregnancy over age 36….then her 17 year-old daughter still in bloody high school and unmarried gets pregnant which speaks volumes of Sarah Palin and her lack of judgment raising her kids….you can’t speak one way out of one corner of your mouth and then speak another way out of the other corner….in my country religion is completely out of politics….but down there….hell..they even had a debate run by a pastor for the sake of religion and religious views…..unfortunately McCain’s lack of judgment and selfishness in picking a woman just to try and get the woman vote has back fired big time…..the Dems. did not make his pick for him and they surely are not to blame for Sarah Palin’s pitfalls. Obama has been very gracious in not attacking the subject…this shows he’s a respectful man…I hope everyone can see beyond his “blackness”…and stop all this racism crap and elect him as the next president of the United States of America!!!
Obama/Biden 08
Cannonship: yeah, that’s real family values.. abstinence really worked for this girl. And don’t just blow it off that oh, well, that’s teen culture. I thought the purpose of abstinence was to TEACH your kids so they can stand up against the teen culture of underage sex. And getting married only because there’s an illegitimate child on the way? Yes, that’s values.. marriage is just for covering up your mistakes, not because you just really love the person.
And what about this little 4 month old baby? Yes, working moms are great, but sometimes, there are times in our lives when families need present parents more than an extra paycheck. She’ll be on the campaign trail non-stop for the next few months, then possibly in Washington. Who’s caring for the baby? Seems like her daughter is holding him a lot, but soon she’ll have one of her own. A nanny? Your child is only a little baby once.. there will be plenty of times to run for public office. Some family values. Poor kid won’t have a strong attachment with his mom. And special needs kids need all the more attention and commitment. I don’t think people are being sexist when they say she should just go home.. it’s just obvious that right now her family needs her more than the country does right now.
Sara Palin is John McCain’s Thomas Eagleton. Worse still, she’s living proff that so-call Evangelical Republicans are nother but a bunch of Pious Hypocrits.
Hey! It’s rather obvious. The kid really, really wants out from under her parents’ thumbs. And what teenager doesn’t.
The first baby was probably a C-section scheduled at a level 3 hospital @ about 6-1/2 to 7 months into the kid’s pregnancy. What do you want to bet that Bristol’s pregnancy with her 2nd child will be one of those really, really long ones? As in she’s not as far along in her pregnancy as her mother is saying?
Doug,
You have obviously NEVER been the parent of a teenager.
Attacking her motherhood? Keep it up. There have been democrat prolife mothers who have dealt with these issues. Calling them all losers isn’t PC.
Now that’s hypocrisy.
Wow…a rock has been kicked over and all the roaches are running out into the daylight. Hey Koskids go ahead and yuk it up…it’s gonna come back to bite you in the buttocks. More American families can identify with this situation than can’t, and many more regular American’s can identify with Sarah Palin than with your Godmessiah. Deep down you are afraid of what Sarah Palin represents…and you should be. She and her family are the only ones in the race that the average hard-working middle american family can truly identify with. They have their issues…they have their problems..but they hold together through their love for one another and their faith in God. My America will respond to that and embrace them even tighter for it.
Oh one more thing…sooner or later, but before the election…the Hillary supporters are going to realize that if Obama wins this election then Hillary will never have a chance to be president. If McCain wins, he is likely a one term President and Hillary goes up against Palin in 2012…hmmm…..an almost definite female President in 2012 if Obama loses.
How can Palin be responsible enough to be in office if she’s not reponsible enough to know where her kids are and doing?
Oh, please. Have you ever been the parent of a 17yr old? You can’t possibly know where they are/what they are doing at every single minute of the day unless you keep them tied up in the closet.
TO: All
RE: This Turn of Events….
….although from filial perspectives is another example of the way the modern morality, as espoused by ‘progressives’ is sad….
….on the other hand from the socio-political perspective provides a SUPERB example of the rank hypocrisy of the so-called ‘progressives’.
Just down the hall from here, some character going by the nom des blogs of ‘nick’ has just succeeded in making an a– out of himself for doing exactly what we’re discussing here.
Specifically, he says Palin, a successful working woman, was not there for her family in order to prevent this. This indicates that nick, a ‘progressive’ is adamantly opposed to women being anywhere other than ‘barefoot and pregnant’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Yesterday's truth is today's lie. -- typical
Communist....errr...Progressive logic]These leftys are repulsive. They are so unhinged by John McCain’s VP choice, that they don’t know what else to do but go after her family. Leave her daughter alone. Shame on you all. You are despicable and creepy.
If this situation was reversed in some way the evangelical right and John McCain would already have adds playing on tv about family values, and how we need to get tougher on abstinence only.
They love to sit black and sling crap about experience and family values, but they never expected it to come back and slam them in the face.
This is without a doubt the worst possible VP pick McCain could of chose. Thanks McCain…Obama doesn’t even need to try to wrap this thing up now!!!
How can Palin be responsible enough to be in office if she’s not reponsible enough to know where her kids are and doing?
That is ridiculous. No one is clever enough to outsmart a child who is determined to misbehave. Unless the child is chained up in his room, he will find opportunities to do all those things he was taught not to.
P.S.
I would like to know who exactly may have “validated” that Sarah Palin’s “water broke” while she was eight hours away from home. And, then I’d like to know, since she’s as “old” as she is (meaning a pregnancy is scientifically/medically/ethically somewhat at risk in the first place and there’s no doubt that any kind of a licensed doctor would not have a potential mother that fact) and supposedly that “far along” (that her water broke more than 8 hours before) in a pregnancy with what she already knew was an at-risk child, why she still went quite a way away from a good hospital near where her plane landed to the hospital she chose for the birth?
Sounds really, really sticky to me.
I would argue that this situation IS relevant to her ability to govern, because it indicates what kind of choices she makes. For example, Did she know her daughter was sexually active? If so, than clearly abstinance wasn’t working so not counseling her on birth control is irresponsible. If she didn’t know what her own daughter was doing (which I assume is likely), can she be counted on to know how prepared FEMA or our military is? I agree, we shouldn’t go after someone’s family, however when it comes to a potential president’s decision making ability (she’d be a heartbeat away), it’s fair to analyze how she operates in her own life. If her own house is not in order, than how will she be as chief policy maker and commander in chief?
Smear? Left-wing conspiracy and all that? YOU FREAKING HYPOCRITES!!!! Were this Joe Biden’s grandaughters, friend’s, siter, you right wingers would be howling for blood and telling us that Biden is a preprobate for allowing his grandauter to associate with such trash. This is no left-wing smear campaign, but only the TRUTH. What? Did you think this was going to be kept in the closet?
Do any of you Republicans have even an iota of decency left? You idiots invbented this family values crap, but very few of you actually live it. How many GOP sex scandals have we seen in the last four years?
Yes, working moms are great, but sometimes, there are times in our lives when families need present parents more than an extra paycheck. She’ll be on the campaign trail non-stop for the next few months, then possibly in Washington. Who’s caring for the baby?
Ummm… where’s the dad in your calculations? When my wife had to go back to work, I took care of the baby. You conservative reactionaries make me sick with your patriarchal mindset.
TO: All
RE: DMM25
Just another example of what I was describing vis-a-vis ‘nick’. Total hypocrisy….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Wow…. what a slut!
Sarah Palin will be an excellent VP! Leftists are just unhinged because she has created such enthusiasm on the right. If it weren’t for the pain they are causing Palin’s family, it would actually be fun watching them running around tripping over their own values.
Is anyone thinking of this down syndrome child. I know as an uncle of a down child that it takes a 100% commitment to raise a child with those challenges. THERE DEFINATELY IS NOT TIME TO BE A VP AT THE SAME TIME!
Let me assure you as the youngest of five children with an older brother who has Down’s syndrome, your statement is utterly ridiculous. My brother Ralph was disciplined, loved and cared for in the same manner as his siblings. He attended public school via the special education program and then went on to work for a local hospital for 25 years. At the time of his birth, my parents were told to “put him in an institution” as he would be a “stigma” on my father’s burgeoning career in the medical field as a general and vascular surgeon. Just 28 years-old at the time of his birth, my mom and dad told that doctor to take a hike, before having my brother tested and then proceeding to push him to reach his full potential. Oh – and they went on to have three more children.
Ralph has been nothing but a blessing in our family. And while there are all kinds of degrees of mental retardation, baby Trig appears to be similar to my brother in terms of the severity of his condition — which means he will grow into a loving, productive and happy human being.
My father didn’t give up his medical practice in light of my brother’s condition and my mother actively worked in his office, while also involving herself (much like Sarah) in the Home and School Association and local politics. Neither my family nor the Palin’s needed a village to accomplish the feat of bringing a Down’s syndrome child into adulthood — close family ties and faith in God served that purpose well.
I cannot tell you how sick to death I am of innocent baby Trig being used as a metaphorical club against his mother’s decision to run for the Vice-Presidency. Did it ever occure to anyone that Sarah might have discussed this “small” matter at length with her husband before making the decision? I for one, am thrilled to have her on the ticket. And the fact that the unhinged Left is hurling mud is just further proof of their knowingness that McCain-Palin has a real shot at winning in November.
Wait a minute. Before we go into who is slinging mud where, listen to this clip where Palin stands by while a woman from her own party is called a “b***” and a cancer. Note that the woman is a cancer survivor. This cuts much farther below the belt than anything I’ve seen from the democrats.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=sara+palin+bitch+cancer&hl=en&emb=0#
The Anchorage Daily news reported this on January 25th, 2008 http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/293639.html
Ok, I’ve had time to take it in. Palin’s daughter messed up and got pregnant. I’m sure it was against her mother’s will and teachings. Anyway the young man is going to do the honorable thing and marry the girl. If they sought forgiveness and learned a lesson then I, being a sinner myself, will not throw out the first stone. This is very disappointing but it does not earn Obama the presidency. I would rather have a mother of a 17 year old daughter that got pregnant as VP than a socialist as President. There is MUCH MUCH more to disqualify Obama then McCain.
What we know about Palin makes us wonder about McCain
She was a supporter of the bridge to nowhere, but denied it; so much for straight talk
She was a director of a 527 group supporting Ted Stevens; so much for fighting corruption
She doesn’t believe that people have a role in global warming, she doesn’t want to protect polar bears, and she is for drilling in ANWR
She believes that all forms of birth control are akin to abortion, that abstinence training works, and that sex education is a bad thing
She exhibits what has to be considered poor judgment by giving a speech, taking an 8 hour flight to Alaska after he water broke, and then failing to go to a hospital to deliver a special needs baby
She thinks the founding fathers wrote the pledge and put in the words “under God”
She supports creationism in the classroom
She might be willing to use her office to have her brother-in-law fired. And she is willing to fire a loyal state employee who does not carry our her vendetta
She has only had a passport for one year. Has she ever visited Canada?
She gave birth to her first child eight months after eloping; why would a good Christian woman elope?
Given all of this, is it any wonder that some of us question John McCain’s judgment. Assuming his staff did their research on Palin, did he really not think some of these things might bother people both on the left and on the right?
If she didn’t know what her own daughter was doing (which I assume is likely), can she be counted on to know how prepared FEMA or our military is?
Parenting a teen is in no way comparable to that. Should ever parent who had a child go astray be told they aren’t capable of managing their careers? That’s ridiculous.
When Clinton had an affair we were told it was nobody’s business. Palin’s daughter has premarital sex and now it’s supposed to be the country’s business?
The first Redneck Twins in the White-Trash House?
What’s a Redneck Twin? Well, they happen when you have a child and a grandchild in the same year!
TO: All
RE: Reality ‘Check’
I wonder why ‘Reality’ is so ignorant about the Right’s approach to the homosexuals amongst the Reagen and Cheney clans, let alone all the nefarious activities of those on the other side.
Listening to the likes of DMM225, nick and ‘Reality’ you would get the impression that those of us the Christian persuasion would be setting up stakes and gathering [if you'll pardon the expression] ‘faggots’ of dried kindling to burn the miscreants….while others gathered stones to brow-beat them as they burned.
On the other hand, I suspect the likes of DMM225, nick and ‘Reality’ would REALLY like to do that to anyone who disagress with them. And they get ever so much more furious when proven wrong.
Are Christians ‘hypocrites’? Hardly. Any hypocrite can’t be a Christian, I think it’s somehting in the ‘job requirements’. And THAT is what REALLY gauls them.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
re the doctor part: left out the words “told/advised”
To: Nico Sciscente
“Obama has been very gracious in not attacking the subject . . . ” . . . . Have you done the math??Obama’s parents were married in February 1961 . . . Obama was born in August 1961. Ann Dunham was 18 years old. Of course he isn’t “attacking the subject”! To do so would be attacking his own mother!
Let’s be fair both ways… please! Forget bias politics statements. I know that if this was on Obama’s plate, opposition to Obama would jump ALL over this. Everyone on the forum gets caught up in bias to one person over another that no one can stay neutral and reasonable on the issues.
We are electing people to govern and fix our government and our lives according to the country. We need to know these people and their true intentions and aspirations for this country. It is sad to hear about these things about Palin’s daughter, but UNDERSTAND this criticism did not come from OBAMA. Actually the contrary was stated by him. I am not biased to situations and stand to search for the truth in any situation.
Try to search for the truth in things instead of being led by just media and biases. At the end of the day… all of these things on these blogs MEAN NOTHING…. do it at the polls. Vote for whoever you think will help us!!! Based on the right reasons… please!
Political correctness aside –
Sarah Palin has a Downs Syndrome infant, a pregnant teenaged daughter and a grandchild due at the end of the year.
When will she have time to run for office?
Michele: McCain vetted Palin for a great great deal more than a day.
Obama would abort it.
Oops—that second “great” was a typo.
I imagine the McCain campaign would keep this quiet if the shoe were on the other foot? You have some nerve to still be giving moral lectures when your side practically invented smear tactics and made it an art form. Truth is, you are sore losers and lose you will.
TO: IdoNOTconcur
RE: Sooooo….
….you say women can’t do such a thing? That they should stay home, barefoot and pregnant?
Interesting…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Hey, Michelle … get real … I cannot believe that you’re bitching, moaning and whining about mud-slinging from “the left”
Have you already forgotten the crap we put up with from Jerome Corsi and the Swiftboat gang in 2004 and again now in 2008? All of Karl Rove’s vile dirty tricks? These absolutely INSANE allegations about Barack being a Muslim and a terrorist, Michelle Obama hating America, blah blah blah? Now that the shoe’s on the other foot, “How does it feel?” I gather from your commentary the answer is “not very good.” But frankly, I have ZERO confidence that you people will ever learn or ever change; you are nasty, petty, miserable, hateful souls … and instead of calling a halt to this bullshit I have little doubt the response will be to re-double the efforts to smear Barack, his family and OUR political and social values. Prove to us that I’m wrong. Show some decency and respect for a POV other than your own and things may change. Tell that fat-assed POS Rush Limbaugh that if he even thinks about making one more disgusting and disparaging comment about Elizabeth Edwards that you will permanently turn off his show.
You know damned well what you need to do; now start doing it .. and if you won’t, then just STFU about the comments about Palin and her family.
This is a reply to Daniel Anderson: Obama’s mother was also NOT a 17 year old girl who is still a high school student; she was an adult.
How’s that abstinence-only education working out for ya Sarah?
This is hypocrisy at the highest level. Are these not the republicans who claim to imbibe Christian and family values? I hope the Christians will wake up to know that the republicans are just exploiting them for political reasons. These hypocrites are not Christians. If you call yourself a successful mother and your 17 year old girl is pregnant before getting married, then it shows your definition of successful. I think John McCain lacks the necessary judgment to be a president. Mind you, I am not an American but I’m a Christian.
This is the Republican “Conservative” hypocrisy at work. Since when are the Dems “All about privacy”? The pregnancy is the direct failed result of the “abstinence only” sex education that republicans such as Palin trotted for years. Now they want “privacy”. No, not when you are running for the second highest office of the land. All is fair game and if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Prog – I am neither a Republican nor a Conservative, and I said I was equally appalled at the Obama-Muslim thing. Thanks for the well spoken lecture, though.
This is just great! We have all these posters who are trying to convince us that this pregnancy is alright. This helps them to vote for McShame without guilty conscious. At the same time we have some really great role models in McShame/Palin if they are elected into office. Our children should all follow Bristol Palin’s lead and get pregnant while they are teens because according to many of these posters, that is the American way of life and they definitely approve. At the same time we should teach our sons and daughters that marriages are not sacred and that if something unfortunate should happen to their spouse they should dump them, have an affair while the spouse suffers and marry the adulturer immediately after the divorce. We should teach each of our children that when they are making choices concerning the security of people, that they should make choices that will make them look good and not choices that will secure the safety of others. Iam baffled by these posters because it is not that people are smearing Bristol Palin, but I for one do not think that we Americans can seriously choose to have a vp who is representing us and our children to give our children the impression that it is alright to have children out of wedlock. Remember Americans, our daughters are watching. Are these the role models we want for our children? Before you answer, remember our daughters are watching!
TO: Tim
RE: Soooo….
….tell us what YOU know of ‘Christian family values’.
Do they mean:
[1] Women should be kept at home, barefoot and pregnant?
[2] Children should be shunned and thrust out of the home of making mistakes?
[3] No one should be HEAVEN FORFEND ‘forgiven’?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Same question to you, ‘IRONY’….
TO: Polo
RE: Statistics, Please
Got anything other than a single point of data to refer too?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
TO: Tim
RE: Really?
Interesting claim. You’re not coming across as such. But maybe you can answer a question for me….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Palin didn’t have the judgement to put her daughter on the pill when she is having pre-marital sex. How Christian is the pre-marital sex? Now the daughter is going to marry the boyfriend at 17? Smart choice – wonder if she’ll ever go to college or just be barefoot ‘n pregnant at home, the way all misogynists want their women. Beware the package Ms. Palin comes in – her gender may be female, but she doesn’t believe women should receive equal pay for equal work. So progressive a thinker – a real ‘maverick’.
The Kos kids and their blog followers have already made one attempt to ruin this girl’s life.
Let’s get this one straight: IF this had been Joe Biden’s daughter and a liberal had complained about, say, Townhall’s inevitable diatribe on the matter, you guys would be SCREAMING “personal responsibility” … Kos didn’t fornicate without protection outside of marriage at a tender age, Bristol Palin did .. and maybe, just maybe, it has something do with her mother and father’s failure to provide her with adequate sex education. Maybe, just maybe, mama was just too damned busy running around the country appearing on every bloody conservative talk radio show in the country honing her sharp-tongued family values rhetoric to give a crap what her daughter was learning and doing.
Walk your talk, sister.
Why is it republican never want to accept responsibility for there actions. Everything that happens bad in this country it’s democrats fault. Everything that happens good they are responsible. Own up to your party. Democrats never made moral and biblical rules to join the hierarchy of there party RUPB made dose rules for their, and now they don’t want to be judge by there own rules. YOU GUYS ARE FULL OF SH*T
Look at you hypocritical right-wnigers at it again.
“This pregnancy is good and shows judgment”. Are you freaking kidding me?
If it were Obama’s daughter who were pregnant you would be on this very same blog berating him until November.
Shut up and deal with the hypocrisy the Republican party has over and over again displayed.
For the record, I am a independent who was leaning for McCain but this is the ABSOLUTE last straw, I am for sure voting for Obama no question asked.
Selecting this bimbo after knowing her ONE DAY really turned me off, but the more I read and think the worse this ticket plays out to be. John McCain is just senile IMO.
Hey, ProgMeister -
Do you really believe that Elizabeth Edwards has cancer? How do you know? Oh, I see, John said so.
Rush called. He wanted me to tell you that your mother wants to make sure you fed the dog and took the garbage out.
HRPKathy:
Heck yeah I am going to attack her motherhood, and yes I am a parent of a 17 1/2 year old daughter. She has enough sense to keep her legs crossed and knows her morals and values. So again how can someone help lead the country with conservative beliefs and values when they can’t do the same in their own household?
The hate I see here is incredible, and frightening.
Is this the same country my father went to war for in WW2? The same country my great grandparents joyfully came to over one hundred years ago?
What the Hell is wrong with you people? Do you have any awarness of history or the legacy you are leaving behind to your children and grandchildren? Do you care that we have turned into Jerry Springer Nation? Do you have any idea what you are starting? Would you know how to finish it?
Dear God people. Let the kid alone. Show some sense of decency.
Grow up. Get mental health treatment, whatever it takes.
But I’m telling you, the hate I have seen displayed in this country will only lead to bloodshed.
Is that what you want?
The hardcore intollerant Republicans smear themselves without the help of anyone. Sarah Palin is a prime example. Her unthinkable ambition has led her to accept an offer from a deperate man. She’s 44 with a down syndrom child and a daughetr that has a bun in the oven. Both Palin and McCain has shown terrible judgement.
Now I think it is a bummer all the muck raking in the whole political arena for both parties, but it is also ironic that a woman no less shoves the abstinence only stuff down other people/voters throats. Even with case of rape or incest pregnancy you keep the baby what a crock or if it means the mother might die to bad how can anyone especially a mother think that is right?
Sarah Palin’s moral views will have desperate woman crawling back into the dark ages of coat hangers abortions?
Yet we pat her on the head poor Sarah maybe it’s time to rethink her stance especially in light of the fact that her family must now deal with a unwed pregnant daughter no abstinence doesn’t ring very true coming out her mouth now.
Karl & his clan, can spin this in a million ways: Obama did this, Biden said that, but one things for sure, neither of them of got Bristol pregnant. Whose at fault for that?
Now I think it is a bummer all the muck raking but it is also ironic that a woman no less shoves the abstinence only stuff down other people/voters throats. Even with cases case of rape or incest pregnancy you keep the baby what a crock or if it means the mother might die to bad how can anyone especially a mother think that is right?
Sarah Palin’s moral views will have desperate woman crawling back into the dark ages of coat hangers abortions?
Yet we pat her on the head poor Sarah maybe it’s it to rethink her stance especially in light of the fact that her family must now deal with a unwed pregnant daughter no abstinence doesn’t ring very true coming out her mouth now.
I don’t think I would use the word “proud” to describe my 17 year old daughter’s pregnancy. I wouldn’t use that word if I knew that this would in a sense the end her childhood and the beginning of a challenging path that limits her choices. I would rather have used words that are more in line with reality, like “shocked, confused, saddened and ashamed, seeking spiritual guidance, etc…” This little political foray of Mrs. Palin is costing the virtual freedom of the one person you would think would be at the forefront of Mrs. Palin’s desire to give freedom. She has put her career ahead of the future of her children.
On an equally profound and fundamental note; what message does this send to teenagers everywhere? Why where we so upset about Ashley Simpson. I know she didn’t have self proclaimed Christian fundamentalist parents.
The world can’t be better off electing this dynamic duo of hypocrisy but it sure can be worse off.
I wish someone would tell me that my son is going to marry a 17 girl. I’d tell them to go to h$ll but I’d help take of it if she kept it but my son isn’t going to ruin his life because he made a mistake. AND I DON’T GIVE A DARN WHO DOESN’T LIKE IT. Welcome to the real world.
To Gayle:
Do the math . . . Ann Dunham was born Nov. 29, 1942. Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961. Unless Obama was a premie . . . he was conceived in Nov. 1960 . . . when Ann was 17 or just-turned 18. She “married” Barack Sr. in Feb. 1961.
That Palin’s daughter Bristol is pregnant will not affect the religious right’s enthusiasm for Sarah Palin. Despite what the left may say, the religious right is more tolerant than the intellectual left.
McCain apparently knew about it before picking her, which for me raises my opinion of him.
Obama himself was conceived out of wedlock and has told his side to back off. I seriously doubt his minions would do so. Thus it will be a test for him to see how low he will let his supporters go in pursuing criticism of Sarah Palin herself.
What remains at play here are the independent women, men and families with teenage girls. My first impression is that they will sympathize with the Palins and despite those who will attack them.
The left can rant and screech all they want, but they would not have vote for McCain/Palin regardless. For McCain/Palin, the base remain more secure than ever, and the independents remain within reach. In fact, these attacks will help the independents swing toward Palin, not away. Screech on.
Yikes. This story brings out the worst on both extremes. Good luck to Bristol Palin and her future child.
Now can we have a campaign that’s about the issues, please?
Chris:
“I am an Obama supporter…”
“Last thing we need in the white house is people who don’t fully grasp critical domestic, global, and foreign problems we face.”
Doesn’t the cognitive dissonance give you headaches?
Ohmygod! Did you hear that? Palin’s daughter’s pregnant! Ohmygod! Palin’s hubby’s got a 1984 DUI? Can you believe this? Ohmygod! The VP’s husband’s got an 1984 DUI! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! But this time is over, America won’t take this! What a shame! DUI in 1984! Less than forty years ago! This shows that a McCain presidency will doom the planet!
And these come from liberals who, as far as I can remember, have for long been marching chanting “I want to be a single mother! I want to be a single mother!”
Palin is carrying so much baggage with her she needs her own airplane! These(Republicans), so-called evangelicals are the people who rode Obama for months just for LISTENING to his preacher preach. Not preaching himself. Just listening. Conservative group my
ass; excuse me, foot. With them, as long as it is about them, anything goes. Obama says he will not use it against Palin. Well, this is something he doesn’t have to do. There are plenty of people who love him and want him to succeed who will do it for him!
What’s a Redneck Twin? Well, they happen when you have a child and a grandchild in the same year!
Oh really? Interesting. Turns out my grandmother and one of her daughters had redneck twins. Imagine that.
I also grew up next door to a family that had an uncle and niece just one year apart in school. Their necks weren’t really red though. More of a sepia color. They were nice people. We always got along really well. Maybe that’s because, being nothing but white trash myself, I didn’t judge people on account of their family situation.
When it comes to politicians, I try to judge them by what they believe. If Obama believed in a strong military, free markets, a balanced budget, and an end to the welfare state, I’d vote for him in a skinny instant.
Ditto with McCain.
Polo:
How’s that abstinence-only education working out for ya Sarah?
Sep 1, 2008 – 1:54 pm
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From TIME magazine:
“Sarah Palin is a longterm member of a group called Feminists for Life, which is not opposed to birth control. So you probably can’t tag her for consigning young people to unwanted pregnancies.”
“…if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”
With words like that, Chuck will be insinuating that you are implying that Palin should be in the kitchen (as he has already done with others).
But you speak truth. McCain/Palin have made no attempt to play civily, and yet Obama has and still is. Every comment Obama makes is defined as a lie by the right, even when supported by fact.
I am ashamed to say this, but in 2000 I was a full supporter of McCain, I volunteered on his behalf, I had the shirts and Bumper stickers. He had integrety then. Now, well lets just say that its not just the economy and respect that have fallen in the last 8 years, McCain has fallen with them.
Here’s to my “reality-based” friends who were the first to thank God for Hurricane Gustav and the last to insist that Trig is really Bristol’s baby. I admire the fresh and original viewpoint you bring to this process. Your unique perspective will take you far…
VERY FAR…
from the White House.
Again.
Interesting how how the leftists leap from Sarah Palin belief in abstinence only education in school to the conclusion that she never discussed birth control with her daughter and that her daughter was practicing unsafe sex with no evidence to support either conclusion. And no Bristol’s pregnancy is not evidence of either conclusion.
All birth control methods have a failure rate, condoms can break, birth control pills are sometimes forgotten, and some medications can interfere with there effectiveness.
The Republican convention takes a back seat to an act of God. The Republican candidate’s pick for VP is being hobbled by an act of God. I’m seeing a consistent thread here. If I were John McCain, I’d stay indoors during thunderstorms for the foreseeable future…
“…this mantra of theirs would seem to preclude them from judging Bristol’s pregnancy and her choice to keep her child…. ”
Chioce… yes she has a choice…. which is more than she would have under Palins’ preferred system
realitycheq:
“She is opposed to abortion, birth control and teaching sex education in public schools, but in favor of promoting abstinence only programs and teaching creationism.”
You could use, for lack of a better term, a reality check.
“”I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.”
She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.”
This is NOT anything even close to funding the teaching of creationism in classrooms and to claim otherwise is pure hyperbole.
As Dani noted, she is also not opposed to the use of birth control.
Keep up the slime attacks, Democrats.
The filth you throw at other people’s children only shows what you are.
“The ‘left’ is morally bankrupt if not certifiably insane”. dougf
I respectfully disagree. They are both. They are proving it here. And I would add, illogical.
According to the left a married man who has sex with a young intern in the Oval Office and then lies about it under oath, is still fit to be president, whereas a woman whose teenage daughter becomes pregnant is not fit to be vice president.
The roaches have scattered far and wide because a can of “Raid” was just sprayed on them:
And it’s called “Sarah Palin”.
No disrespect or sexism intended…
…but is this woman a wonder at cleaning house or what?
My God, if she can only do for Washington what she did in Alaska, and also expose the lefty loonies to the light of day, like they have been in the last 48 hours…we may actually SEE some “Change We can Believe In” BEFORE the election!
I’ve never seen so much gasping and wheezing from perplexed and befuddled creatures since, what…Kerry lost Ohio?
Is this the “movement” Obama hopes to get him to the White House?
They seem to be in panic attack mode…or maybe simply having a panic attack!
Or maybe it’s the “fight or flight” desperation many of them are feeling…and they land here there and everywhere to swing at shadows they feel are hovering, somewhere, just out of reach.
Unable to distinguish what exactly is causing their agony or their sense of doom.
They can’t see it, they can’t touch it…but they can smell it!
Ahhhh….RAAAAAAAAIIIDD!!!!
Sarah Palin…bringing a breath of fresh Alaska air to America politics!
From Chuck P:
“….you say women can’t do such a thing?”
Of course she CAN do such a thing. Why would she WANT to do such a thing?
“That they should stay home, barefoot and pregnant?”
So, it’s either run for office on an international stage 24/7 or be at home, barefoot and pregnant? Is there no option in between, that takes the needs of her particular family for their particular situation into account?
“All birth control methods have a failure rate, condoms can break, birth control pills are sometimes forgotten, and some medications can interfere with there effectiveness.”
for a sexually active Child…
Condoms are 84 to 98% effective.
Birth control pills are 95 to 99.9% effective.
Abstinance is 0% effective.
People have sexual urges reguardless of what their parents want them to do. Tell them that they cant have sex and end the conversation there and they will go elsewhere for information. Tell your child about sex and the difficulties of having a child, they may listen. Explain to your child that contracepton is available and that they need to protect against STD’s and pregnancy until they feel better prepared to deal with it, chances are your child will not have a child of their own before they are ready for it.
We need to see a DNA test. Bristol has 2 children. It is obvious that there will be lots more to come out of this story. Sarah Palin is not the mother of the first child with down’s syndrome. Her daughter is. There will be no way to hide this and shame on McCain for making a decision with NO vetting or investigation. Isn’t this the way we got in to the Iraq war with Bush in command? Just make a quickie decision and pull the trigger.
Wow. My daughter is bombarded with immoral trash from Hollywood on a daily basis. Now I have to explain this to her? Thanks, John McCain. Nice family values.
Palin’s seventeen-year-old daughter made her own decision. Period. And now the voices from the left are crying for Palin to withdraw from the campaign. There are people now among the left who feel that small children should be given the opportunity to choose their gender (as if that was a choice); there are people among the left who believe a seventh-grade girl should be able to decide if she wants to have an abortion without seeking parental permission. Sarah Palin should pull out because her daughter made her own decision? Give me a break.
Wow. Just wow. Palin’s daughter is pregnant. So what. The interesting thing is how the right wing blogosphere turns the issue into an indictment of the left wing blogosphere. Assuming a holier than though attitude. As if the right wing blogosphere does not also spend 24/7 making up ridiculous nonsense about the other side and extrapolating from the merest shreds of coincidence full-blown conspiracy theories. Left wing blogosphere and right wing blogosphere meet at the extremes of nonsense and accuse the other side for being there. It’s like everything else unfiltered: although there may be some kernals of truth now and then, you have to dismiss 99% of what’s there as puerile and inane. There is more than enough real information out there to enable anyone to make an informed decision. If the electorate is more interested in national inquirer level gossip then it deserves what it gets. Now put down the Jim Beam and back away from the computer.
“Palin’s seventeen-year-old daughter made her own decision. Period. And now the voices from the left are crying for Palin to withdraw from the campaign. There are people now among the left who feel that small children should be given the opportunity to choose their gender (as if that was a choice); there are people among the left who believe a seventh-grade girl should be able to decide if she wants to have an abortion without seeking parental permission. Sarah Palin should pull out because her daughter made her own decision? Give me a break.”
First, Noone has stated that she didn’t make her own descision, We have just commented on the expectation of a mother who is running on a platform of abstinance only education, to have, maybe, educated her daughter a little better.
Second, Noone is saying that Palin should withdraw, far from it, I am personally savoring Palin’s failings as a mother.
Third We feel that the child should have been given every means to not get pregnant in the first place. Having a child of my own I would never even consider the option of abortion. But I do think that before she reaches an age where pregnancy is an issue she will absolutely know about condoms and have the option of a birth control pill. I will gladly push abstinance but I wont be naive enough to blindly believe that to be a singular defense.
The mudslinging over Palin has led me to even deeper contempt for radical liberals. They are truly despicable creatures.
I am completely astounded by the ignorance of some of these comments. First of all, GMAND, can you please learn to spell and use punctuation? Your comments are all just run-on sentences that make little sense.
Second, I am the mother of TWO little boys with Down syndrome. They require more of my time, yes, but not all that much more than any other child would. These kids are just KIDS. Don’t write them off as being some kind of MAJOR drain on a parent’s time and energy. Learn about Down syndrome. Trig will have a full-time stay-at-home DADDY in DC. Is there a problem with that?
And to the “Married Mother Of A Daughter”, do you let your daughter watch television? Go to the movies? The Mall? I’ll bet she knows teens who are having sex, if she herself isn’t. Bristol Palin is no one’s business and John McCain didn’t get her pregnant. John McCain adopted a child from India with special needs. Leave him outta this.
This is all a mess, but its reality. I do not believe that Bristol should be attacked, however there is some head scratching going on with Mrs. Palin’s abstinence views. Being a teacher, reality is if you do not teach sex education how can you expect our youth to learn about protecting themselves? This is why the HIV/AIDS rates are high amongst our youth!! Get it together people, we are doing a disservice to our youth. Not teaching them about protection and STD’s (STI’s)is setting us all up for heartache and failure. There is nothing wrong about teaching abstinence but you are a absolute fool if you think that it is the only answer in preventing teenage pregnancy and STD/HIV rates!
As an an Australian I’m a complete outsider to this election but I have been taking an interest in the outcome as it will have such a huge effect on the stability of the rest of the world (where I live)
First of all I can’t believe how much emphasis that the Republicans place on irrelevant factors. It seems that your voting criteria is solely based on religion and war (inextricably linked of course
Why does surviving a prisoner of war camp in an undeniably tough fashion make you fit to run a country. What does being a soldier have to do with being a good commander in chief. Augustus Ceasar was one of the greatest leaders the world has ever seen. He was a sickly 19 year old when he inherited Julius Caesar’s position in Rome with very little political experience and no military experience. Yet he went on to reform Rome into one of the most succesful and formidable Empires in the history of the world, ushering in the Pax Romana (Roman Peace). He was quite simply a incredibly intelligent leader. He was not a soldier and he didn’t need to be. It was IRRELLEVANT just like its beside the point how tough McCain was when it comes to his ability to make tactical and critical decisions.
Why is war and violence so important to you, is it your youth as a country, is it your complete disconnection from the history of the old world? After two world wars Europe largely learnt its lesson but in recent years America (Mostly the Republican half) has been blazing on amidst a fury of relious zealotism and foolish patriotism.
To be quite honest this post was originally intended to be somewhat relevant to the blog post about Palin but I just get so pissed off reading stupid opinions bickering over essentially inconsequential matters like religion and family f#*%£cking values when you have to choose an intelligent leader (and VP) who will avert the downfall of your country or at least rebuild its standing in the world otherwise the Russians or Chinese will step in while you get bogged down in the quicksand that is the Middle East just because you like your oversized SUV’s and then everyone will be in a shiteload of trouble.
Just remember that if the rest of the western world could vote, Obama would probably get in with about a %90 majority but you manage to worry about surviving POW camps, keeping abortions illegal so that the world becomes more overpopulated and whether or not someone is a Muslim becuase they have a foreign middle name.
Open up your bloody minds
What sad news! I question the judgment of the Palins as parents and their commitment to the far-right family values they profess. This has to be a family in an extremely stressful situation – one son heading off to war and all that entails, a new baby with with special needs and now an unmarried teenage daughter expecting her own baby. Each one of these events would provide challenges for any family, but accumutively, would seem over-whelming. While respecting their right to privacy and to deal with each of these events as they choose, I cannot understand how a parent (either mother or father)could put their family under the microscope with the political demands of a national campaign. Sarah Palin is putting her own ambitions above the care of her children. I could never vote for anyone as selfish, self-centered and irresponsible as she appears.
I also question McCain’s judgement in choosing someone he had only met once. He treated this like a game instead of the serious decision it should have been. I have absolutely no faith in any other decisions he may need to make in the future.
I am a life-long Republican who recently switched my registration to Independent and will strongly support the Democratic ticket.
In calls for privacy and blaming those who “sling mud,” readers seem to be ignoring why this is even news – this is the daughter of a VP candidate who claims she knew about the pregnancy before running? If you care for family values, why would you as a parent choose to be on the national/international stage and subject your daughter to this?? And what a role model for those in the justice system – sex with a minor is a crime, no matter what the age of the father.
If Clinton had been chosen as Obama’s VP and it was soon after revealed that H’s unmarried daughter Chelsea was pregnant and choosing to keep the child (and oh, I don’t know, NOT get married), the talk in echo broom closets like this one would would be about how her parents lack of values (a pro-choice-crusading mommy, an intern-fugging daddy) was to blame for her fall.
So, they’re keeping the baby and getting married, eh? Hmm. I wonder what the Daddy’s name is. And if his bank account (or his parents’) just received a big boost. Does McCain-Feingold cover this…contingency?
But nevermind that. The big story, to hear you parrots tell it, is how the leftisphere smeared this wonderful family.
Up is down, black is white, weakness = strength, and a teenage pregnancy is nothing but the bestest blessing and nothing for your vetting squad to get worked up about. A private matter.
As a concern parent, one would think that Mothers talk to their children about life. Did the mother and daughter have those private mother-daughter discussions about pregnancy, the consequences, the option to use or not to use birth control, how far is too far, the daughter sexual feelings, etc. I mean one has to make choices and with those choices comes consequence.
Oh yeah…McCain thinks the Obama folks leaked this. he thinks myspace is one of his homes he forgot about. Get real folks, Paw-paw has run out of steam.
I guess this will lead off to the revised “Just say No” message to “Just say Yes and Do it like Bristol, and your Mom and Dad will be excited to be grandparents and we could move to D.C. and little Tyg can become an Uncle all before AGE 1″ message. New poster child for typical families in the WHITE HOUSE.
Yvonne – As long as the oil companies and the people who own stock in these companies are alive and well — Republicans will remain in office to make sure that money talks .
Liberals have been spouting that anti-oil talk so long they are not only ignorant that their precious little communities would collapse without oil & nat gas, they would starve, But so deluded on their own propaganda since Vietnam they also affix mystical powers of control over America and the price of oil – despite all oil and gas firms amounting to under 1% of the GNP (so much for money clout) and all non-State petroleum producers like US firms only accounting for 7% of the oil produced globally (so much for them setting prices).
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Rick:
Is anyone thinking of this down syndrome child. I know as an uncle of a down child that it takes a 100% commitment to raise a child with those challenges. THERE DEFINATELY IS NOT TIME TO BE A VP AT THE SAME TIME!
What a load of bullsh*t. I know Moms of both autistic and Downs kids, 2 unfortunately single that do full-time jobs. A few, I suspect, not just for financial reasons but also to get 8-9 hours away from the child for their own sanity’s sake.
And the demands of a Down’s baby are no more than a regular baby, so Palin does not fall under that bogus “think of the child! the child! Except when you abort…” crap. It is when the Downs kid reaches 3 or so that the time burdens escalate – but again, there is nothing specifying that ONLY Sarah Palin must be the caregiver, and give up any great career opportunity. She has a large, extended family & friends and church backers who can help out.
Which brings up this trite example of raw sexism in action:
IdoNOTconcur:
Political correctness aside –
Sarah Palin has a Downs Syndrome infant, a pregnant teenaged daughter and a grandchild due at the end of the year.
When will she have time to run for office?
Well, gosh! If she were a man with a wife with terminal cancer or a politician who had a retarded son and a daughter with DWIs and a drug abuse problem – I doubt for an instant you would be saying in effect “how DARE he not quit any job he had or stop any campaign and become a 100% caregiver.
Susan:
Palin didn’t have the judgement to put her daughter on the pill when she is having pre-marital sex. How Christian is the pre-marital sex?
Yeah, another Kos Kidz twit who thinks parents have perfect control over their teens, who do whatever is asked of them, ignoring the Kos Kidz own “less submissive to parents demands, less than angelic ways” when they were under 18.
Janice – She’s 44 with a down syndrom child and a daughetr that has a bun in the oven.
Doug – Heck yeah I am going to attack her motherhood, and yes I am a parent of a 17 1/2 year old daughter. She has enough sense to keep her legs crossed and knows her morals and values..
Yeah Douggie, it is a testimony to you that your daughter is all pure and virginal..BTW, are you sure of that? Had her hymen checked out?
But it is beautiful to have younger male and female Democrats cluelessly dumping on Palin like that in a way that is guaranteed to enrage a large majority of woman who have worked for a living and/or started a family.
Plus once again show the raw anti-Christian bigotry that keeps most nonblack Christians and now a growing portion of blacks at arms distance from Democrats.
And Kos Kidz lecturing of the “Duty to abort the defective or stay at home forevermore”.. is not going to play well with prochoice moderates who want a right to chose not being subjected to assholish self-righteous sanctimony.
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Keeping an open mind, there is a possibility that if Palin has more “complications” emerge that the American public will move from sympathy to questioning if McCain truly did vet her right or just impulsively went on “great biography, a son going to Iraq! Fundies like how religious she is. Blue collar roots!
If it turns from one or two family matters or one or two actions as Gov or mayor that provoke more sympathy and feelings of solidarity in most Americans to a long list of problems – then the problem isn’t really Palin’s, but McCains for selecting her and bypassing other more qualified (and vetted by media and public), candidates.
Remember McCain likes ‘em young. Next episode…DNA, the test!!
She can’t even handle her family let alone lead a whole nation! It wouldn’t be so awkward for a normal teenager on the streets to get pregnant before marriage but vice president’s daughter is supposedly the role model in every aspect for many younger kids… is this what we want to project to our kids? How could McCain be so irresponsible for choosing her? He is nowhere near the White House and he is tripping all over himself! I can imagine how badly this guy would compare to GW Bush in office! Plain and simple… sad!
Tweety, maybe you need to learn the facts on Palin.
Well, you and a great deal of the media, including Wolf Blitzer.
She’s a member of Feminists for Life, which is not opposed to birth control. Scroll up a few posts and you can see where I got that information.
It’s not that Palin’s daughter is pregnant so much as why she would run for VP knowing her daughter is going to be expoited by the media. It’s already bad enough that she will be taking away from her four-month old special needs child. How much more selfishly ambitious can one woman be? I can definitely sympathize with the daughter! And now she couldn’t get an abortion even if she wanted to. And to think that marriage is the answer makes me sick. This poor girl is in for a world of hell!
could the republicans \be any more two-faced?
It strikes me as funny. When it comes to single African American or Hispanic mothers, its a burden on the welfare rolls. With the Palin girl, it’s all about love and family coming together in hard times.
Please. When white people have scandal, it’s all a mistake. When people of color face the very same issue, it’s fodder for political attacks on government entitlement programs.
to help those who need help.
Check yourself. This is all McCains faulty judgement. If you do not vote for Obama now, you are just another racist who likes to hide behind words.
This issue isn’t that Bristol is pregnant. The issue I have, as a woman, is that Palin has a four month old baby with down syndrome at home who’s mother is about to become Vice President. She has a 17 year old daughter who is about to have a baby…a time when a young, teenage mother will need her own mother the most. And despite these personal choices and responsibilities, she is choosing to take on the second most important job in the US, regardless of the effect is has on her family.
And unfortunately, she has made her poor teenage girl, the poster child for teen pregnancy. The scruitiny and difficulty in being a teen mother is hard enough, much less having to live up to the standards of the right wing.
Do you really think she had an authentic choice in deciding to keep this baby (whether terminating the pregnancy or choosing adoption)?
I’m all about putting your country first, but putting your political career before the best interests of your family, and the needs of your children is something completely different.
Realitycheq, you’re wrong on Palin’s stance re: abstinence, too. Don’t you people read the posts of the people that come before you? It makes you look very self-agggrandizing to come onto a blog and spout BS when you haven’t even bother to read the comments.
But, I forgot, you’re not here to actually discuss anything, just to blow off steam.
“First, Noone has stated that she didn’t make her own descision…”
Okay.
“We have just commented on the expectation of a mother who is running on a platform of abstinance only education, to have, maybe, educated her daughter a little better.”
Please… So you expect her daughter to toe the line? She made her own decision for God’s sake.
“Second, Noone is saying that Palin should withdraw…”
Okay.
“…I am personally savoring Palin’s failings as a mother.”
A seventeen-year-old girl making her own decision is not her mother’s failing. The girl made her own decision. But your “savoring Palin’s failings” tells us a lot about you.
“Third We feel that the child should have been given every means to not get pregnant in the first place.”
Yes, I’m sure a seventeen-year-old woman doesn’t know sex gets you pregnant and Good Lord God Almighty, how could she possibly know you can get condoms at the drugstore. It must be Sarah Palin’s fault.
Matt – you really need to just turn off the computer and take a time-out.Making stupid accusations without any proof – reading a rumor in the Huff and believing it – next thing you will believe that the O’s tanking numbers is because the RNC is recruiting from outer space or something.
Funny all the illogic being posted.
Not wanting to teach sex education in school does not mean not wanting to talk to your own children about sex.
Not wanting your child have have premarital sex does not mean they won’t.
Not wanting unplanned pregnancy does not mean you won’t accept an unplanned child and love him/her as much as any other child.
Not wanting abortion does not mean not wanting birth control.
Silly illogic.
Can someone — ANYONE — please pull the plug on this godawful thread ? Have mercy !!!
If I wanted to visit Daily Kos or some other wacko ‘progressive’ site I would do so. There must have been an edict from the powers that be of the ‘nutroots’ to go forth and spew today.
One can truly feel one’s IQ actually growing smaller the more comments one forces oneself to wade through. One almost needs to be in the shower at the time so that the unclean felling is somewhat lessened. Unhappily that tends to play havoc with the poor abused computer.
“You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go”. –Cromwell.
He must have been prescient in seeing the effects of overturned rocks in certain ‘segments’ of the Internet. Never have so many gathered to profess such massive ignorance and vitriol to so little effect.
The ‘progressives’ are always into victimology with themselves being the only victims but they should have paid more attention to the real concept behind this famous statement —”At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”
Clearly the answer is sadly apparent. They seem unable to even understand the concept never mind adhere to any modicum of it.
I really have to blame the original poster for this nasty, mean little infestation. I fear she brought along some of her ‘normal’ audience. Not her fault and all, but you do tend to be known by the company you keep. These ‘things’ were never here in such quantity previously.
I do apologize for the aspersion just cast, but this is truly the WORST thread EVER on PJM.
WORST THREAD EVER.
Its not so much as attacking the children, its the look on the parents and how they raise their children. To be so naive that young teens (her own) is not having sex. Abstinence, and if not that, practice safely..and that was not obviously taught..Now, that you have a 5 month old child with down syndrome to raise along with 4 other children (plus 1 on the way), the priorities are screwed up..and to try to run the country…you will be raising 2 babies (6 kids) (7) with a young husband…Hey its great to be VP, but put First things First
Oh yeah, what does a VP do?
Conservatives always want to appear perfect..how hypocritical..
“In 2006 candidate Palin said she would fund abstinence-only education programs in schools. “The explicit sex-ed programs,” she added, “will not find my support.”
Source: http://www.thecitizen.com/~citizen0/node/31350
“Dani:
Realitycheq, you’re wrong on Palin’s stance re: abstinence, too. Don’t you people read the posts of the people that come before you? It makes you look very self-agggrandizing to come onto a blog and spout BS when you haven’t even bother to read the comments.
But, I forgot, you’re not here to actually discuss anything, just to blow off steam.”
Dani, Perhaps you should be the one doing your research. Palin supports abstinence only education.
I think that there are more important things to talk about than Sarah,being 5 months pregant. That is a problem for the family, not the world to take upon themselves. Just shut-up about it tell the news that effect the American People. Thank you.
So sad that the campaign released this information just because there were rumors about Bristol could have been the mother of Palin’s youngest son. Is all over the net and the information seem to come from Alaska.
Wow. What ignorance. First of all, yes, conservatives do preach abstinence. But conservatives also recognize that everyone can mess up, but you should do the right thing and try to fix your wrongs. I haven’t seen any conservative Republican “congratulating” her on the pregnancy. But, it is commendable that like Britney Spears sister, she IS stepping up to the plate. Secondly, eighteen million people voted for Hilary Clinton for PRESIDENT. She couldn’t control where her OWN HUSBAND was “smoking cigars” right under her own roof! But, none of the liberals seem to have any problem with that! I do not hear any Democrat saying, “Gee. If Hilary can’t manage her own household, how can she run a country?” HELLO!…It is ludacris! I don’t know about any of you, but my parent raised me in a strict Christian household, but at 16 or 17 years old, when your hormones are RAGING, I confess to not being on my best behavior. My parents couldn’t watch me 24 hours a day! What else are your teen years for, if not to learn from your mistakes? Grow from them!
Also, as a black american, please stop comparing this to racial issues. The fact of the matter is that this girl is NOT on welfare. Republicans believe that we should help those who cannot help themselves. But let’s face it, millions of people MILK THE SYSTEM. It is a fact. That is why Republicans do try to educate young people. Because not all teens ARE as fortunate as Sarah Palin’s daughter! If you were on welfare, wouldn’t you want your kids to do better for themselves and not get into the same predicament that they came from?!
Perhaps someone else has mentioned this earlier (I was out all day and just wanted to drop by the PJM watering hole…), but there seems to be alot of “stuff” this
1. “she’s got kids, therefore she can’t do the job.”
and
2. “a kid with Down’s Syndrome requires full time attention, she must be a bad mother.”
I’m pre-geezer, yet I’ve lived through college days in the ’70′s, when this nonsense was put forward as an “argument” (ha hah ha!!!) in this form:
“Here’s a riddle for you: You’re driving along the street at night, and come upon a car accident. The driver is all bloody on the road, and looks like he might just not make it. Others recognize the driver as a neighbor, whose father has died. Along comes an ambulance, just in the nick of time. Out jumps the doctor, who says, “Oh, no, it’s my son!” So, who is the doctor?”
Surprise! The doctor is the driver’s mother.
At this point, it seems the “Daily Caustic” posters here would still be screaming, “Quel horrible! That can’t be!”
POINT BEING: If mom has a job, dad is probably busy with the kids. Maybe there’s a housesitting nanny…whatever: Situation normal.
These RE-TREAD POSTERS are a joke. They are echoing the sexism of an earlier era. They are undermining ANYTHING POSSIBLY BELIEVABLE in the CREDIBILITY OF THE DEMOCRAT’S PARTY vis a vis “gender issues”…let alone FAMILY.
“Please… So you expect her daughter to toe the line? She made her own decision for God’s sake.”
…and with the difficulty of teen pregnancies, Im sure it was an excellent choice on her part. I dont know if you have a child, but I do, and I expect that my involvement in her life and my attempts to educate her on the dangers of unprotected sex and teen pregnancy will pursuade her to make the right descisions.
The teen pregnancy rate was 22 in 1000 in 2006, so im assuming that the other 978 females might have listened to what their parents had to say on the subject. Way to go blaming Bristol though, I mean after all, she had boundless years of experiance to fall back on when making her descision.
Dani>>> Simmer down, I was not attacking anyone on this post and neither should you, because what I’m posting is far from BS
I’m just discussing the situation. The message that I’m trying to get across is the fact this young lady was obviously not taught about the outcomes of having sex(unforseen emotions possible guilt)let alone unprotected sex. As well as exposing herself to possibly HIV/AIDS along with other STD’s when the rates are high among her age group. Its sad, honestly it is. And it pisses me off that they are making her marry the young man. Shotgun weddings 9 times out of 10 are a failure. There’s nothing wrong with making them take responsibility for their child, but don’t force them into marriage.
I thought it was fun watching the left bury itself and lose four years ago, but this year will be even better. Keep up the great work guys!
As a father of three, knowing how hard it is to raise children, I don’t buy this crap that Sarah is somehow denying her children by following her star. Sure she’s going to need support and the First Dude, but it’s been done before. Maria Theresa was one of the best rulers in Europe and in between she had 16 children. I also got a friend with five grown children, four turned out to be golden citizens, and one made the Most Wanted list, a real hard-core criminal. You just do your best, but both men and women have a life to live.
Remember the Republican ad about Hilary Clinton
“If she can’t control her own house, how can she control the Government”…..
How is this mudslinging being laid at the Democrats’ and Obama’s door? Obama came out and, in no uncertain terms, said families of politicians are OFF LIMITS. That he doesn’t endorse bringing them into the discussion and he roundly condemns it. But what control does he have over Daily Kos? About as much control as anyone has over any blogger. As in none.
I think you are stirring up a tempest in a teapot here. I’m not hearing any official channels of the Democratic party or any responsible politicians affiliated with the Obama campaign saying anything untoward. It’s just the loudmouth one-offs. Even though I know he often functions as the front line shock troop, I seldom blame the Republican Party for Rush Limbaugh. He’s just a big loud-mouth that no one can control. As long as officials are acting in a responsible manner, that’s all we can hope for.
First, having been a single mother, I would have to agree with Obama–it’s financially, socially, physically difficult to have children on your own. In Palin’s daughter’s case, she’s economically privileged enough so she won’t have to worry about money, housing, health care and child care. So for the wealthy, single parenthood could indeed be something to be proud of because there are no pesky little problems like paying rent to deal with.
Second, it’s logistically impossible to be an involved mother to young children, particularly five children including an infant, and be governor or vice-president. This means someone else has been caring for and raising her children–you simply can’t be in two places at once. (I have a special needs child–does anyone know how hard it is to find and keep and afford daycare?)
So go ahead and say Sarah Palin’s a career woman, but she is paying or having someone else raise her family–she is merely a figurehead….and say what you want, but it’s freakish that she returned to her job as governor three days after giving birth.
And American women–do you really want men to believe we can have five kids, give birth, go back to work in three days, be a “hockey mom” (get up at 5am for practices and make all the games), participate in PTA, attend your kid’s conferences, clean the house, cook, keep up with running,and run for vice presidency? So be careful what image of the American woman you buy into…and this woman looks frazzled to me, like she needs assertiveness training so she can say NO once in a while–she seems like she’s on the verge of a breakdown there’s so much anxiety in her voice….I feel sorry for her. Think McCain is using her to look young and hip and “maverick” the same way old geezers get a trophy wife to feel youthful.
I actually read this whole thing. So many of you just want to follow the party line, no matter what that is. This is national politics folks- not the PTA at “Men in Trees.” It is a blood sport.
1. After what Karl Rive and the Republicans did to Kerry, THEY made the rule that anything is fair game.
2. The Republicans have said vile things about Michelle Obama- she hates America- she is a terrorist- she is a Muslim. Can dish it out but can’t take it Regressives? Bunch of whiners.
3. Dr. Laura, a long time Republican supporter whose own kid “Whoooa” has been in deep Kimshee because of hsi own crap- is constantly lecturing America about parenting. Kids, especially young ones, and especially “special” ones need their “Mommys.” Not okay for Sarah to go off to Washington. Same rules for everyone okay?
4. Bush the Second has been the WORST President I have seen in my brief 52 years.
5. My 80 year old father in law is CONSTANTLY complaining about the “Leftist Liberals.” He lives on Social Security- Thanks Democrats- and Medicare- Thanks Democrats- and still complains. When are Americans going to wake up and vote for their own best interests?
6. As for Sarah as a candidate. I live in San Diego. More than a million people. (Alaska TOTAL population 670,000) Running the Alaska National Guard is easy compared to keeping our Southern border secure- and our Mayor is no where near ready to be VP either.
7. Was I the ONLY one who saw McCain twirling his wedding ring while he checked out Sarah’s butt at her coming out party?
WOW this is incredible if the proverbial shoe were on the other foot not only would you self righteous, double standard having, I can do no wrong and neither can my party republicans be calling for Obama’s political head but his daughter would be the “classic black teen mother” and all he has to say is the subject is off limits???? WTF????? Obama you’d better wake and smell the coffee before the republicans mop the floor with you mr. goodie two shoes…yes her daughter is a pregnant unmarried teen and yes she is a terrible pick but you won’t make an issue of either subject? I am beginning to wonder if he really wants to win I dont care that he is black what I care about is getting these warmonger, elitist, right wing CRIMINALS out of the white house…WAKE UP AMERICA AND OBAMA YOU’D BETTER TAKE THE GLOVES OFF AND DELIVER THE KNOCKOUT BLOW OR WE ARE IN FOR 4 MORE YEARS OF WAR AND RECESSIONS.
The first baby was probably a C-section scheduled at a level 3 hospital @ about 6-1/2 to 7 months into the kid’s pregnancy. What do you want to bet that Bristol’s pregnancy with her 2nd child will be one of those really, really long ones? As in she’s not as far along in her pregnancy as her mother is saying?
Thank you for giving an example of the kind of idiocy I was talking about in this article. You win a package of tin foil. Hat making instructions to follow.
Doug, I have a great deal of compassion for your 17.5 year old daughter. Please go let her out of the closet.
Otherwise you are simply ignorant of something that happened in the Garden of Eden, a little human trait called FREE WILL. Children will use it – and usually the most rebellious kids come from the strictest parents. The statistics are not on your side. Did you know that 1 in 4 girls 14-18 have an STD? It’s a fact of life. I hope for your daughter’s sake that you don’t catch her. Something tells me she would never be supported with the kind of love and compassion Sarah Palin gave Bristol. The battle between love and law has existed since Abraham, love is always the better way.
Now as to those who somehow think this isn’t a Christian family value – I submit that this is the penultimate Christian value: “For whatever ye have done unto the least of these ye have done unto Me.” Embracing the unborn grandchild and supporting her daughter’s decision to face up to the challenges is emblematic of Christian love and forgiveness.
If you are not Christian you simply cannot understand that we try to not make mistakes, but because we do recognize good and evil, we recognize our own penchant for making mistakes. And as Jesus us taught us to pray “Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors”. Forgiving and forgiveness are also hallmarks of Christianity. We do not expect perfection from ourselves or others, and like Jesus at the well, prefer to let those without sin cast the first stone.
This isn’t about Palin. This is about attacking Palin by attacking her children. Some people want to attack the issue of “abstinence only” – could you make that argument with facts and figures and logic and not anecdotal (at the expense of this young girl) evidence? No. Then shut up. Your intent is to attack and defame and you don’t give a flip about abstinence – you simply want a political argument. How small and cheap you are.
The same with those who pretend to care if Trig Palin gets adequate care as a Down’s child. Know something about it and then speak – oh yeah – if you really knew anything you’d know Sarah Palin is handling it just fine. But hey that wouldn’t allow you to capitalize on the misfortune of an infant child, now would it you moral pygmies?
Talk about Palin’s inexperience – how yeah – that’s a loser. Or maybe how ‘small’ and insignificant Alaska is – another loser. Why not how two years of campaigning for president equals two years serving as a governor? Another clinker.
So I may understand why you low brow puny minded pathethic hulls of human beings would rather attack an innocent newborn (I supposed that’s considered lightening up since your first act would have been to kill him) or a young seventeen year old girl whose mother has the misfortune of being the most qualified and experienced in reforming her own party than any other person in the GOP. Yes I said MOST QUALIFIED IN REFORMING HER OWN PARTY. Name anyone currently active in either party more responsible for attacking the corrupt power brokers. She’s a true reformer, not a phony fast talker like Obama.
That’s the problem. You got bupkis except for the kids. You convince yourself that it’s okay to attack the defenseless kids of a political foe because you project your own flaws onto the opposition. Sorry, but slime is slime, no matter who does it, and trying to hide in the crowd doesn’t make you less of a creep.
Do what Obama told you to do, children are OFF LIMITS. OFF LIMITS? Got that?
Vote for the VET and the MOMMIE not the PLAGIARIZER AND THE COMMIE.
The McCain campaign associated Obama with Britney Spears, so to be fair and balanced, I guess we should associate Palin with Brit’s younger sister, Jamie Lynn Spears!
The Democrat smear machine is really swinging into high gear now! Check out this hilarious fake video.
http://minx.cc/?post=272125
What will they say about Sarah Palin’s family next? They’re aliens? Zombies?
You can smell the desperation in the air.
“…and with the difficulty of teen pregnancies, Im sure it was an excellent choice on her part.”
What a really stupid thing to say…
“The teen pregnancy rate was 22 in 1000 in 2006, so im assuming that the other 978 females might have listened to what their parents had to say on the subject. Way to go blaming Bristol though, I mean after all, she had boundless years of experiance to fall back on when making her descision.”
Yeah the 978 probably did listen. Good for them. As for blaming Bristol. Well, yeah! She got knocked-up. Her choice. Her mistake. Her consequence. It happens to young people. But I understand her mother is standing by her. Good for her. Sounds like a good mom to me. But you go on savoring the troubles Bristol’s gotten into.
Since when is the TRUTH slander? If this was a dem the right wing would Crucify her. Give me a freaking break. There is more to the story that is going to be coming out in the next few days. If Palin really cared about her family’s privacy she would have rejected the nomination. Palin brought this on herself. Are people really mad that the TRUTH is coming out?
Second, it’s logistically impossible to be an involved mother to young children, particularly five children including an infant, and be governor or vice-president. This means someone else has been caring for and raising her children–you simply can’t be in two places at once
I’m sure there are many female governors who will disagree with you.
Also, that “someone else” is her husband. The kids’ father. Does that not count?
The judgment of John McCain is called into question with chosing Palin as a running mate and even more so given her many complex and demanding family issues. And her judgment is highly questionable in accepting. Is it really reasonable to divide her attention and increase the demands on herself by accepting. She has 5 kids including a 17 year old who needs her help and a newborn special needs child that requires full attention from 2 Parents! Somewhere in there are 2 more kids at home. This woman being a heartbeat away from the Presidency that can easily be a 24/7 job. And campaigning also 24/7. Isn’t this ridiculous. Women with fewer kids and full time jobs are stretched extremely thin….So this seem that both the candidates McCain and Palin have judgment that is very questionable.
To Chuck McPelto…lol……you’re the ass, as a typical republican you gave you own distorted version of my comments and I see you’re posting numerous posts to anyone who voices their opinion which is not your opinion…..a woman going out and working and being independant and being a success has nothing to do with her responsibilities at home…..in raising her kids….I think you are one of the biggest morons on this planet….un imbecile…sans tete…arrogant….plain and simple…you’re a moron…..we are talking about a Vice President who would be a heartbeat away from being PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!…Your response also shows your low moral values…..actually I should say you have no moral values at all and your racism is very clear….you’re the ass….go back to your cave!!!
Obama/Biden 08
BobNC:
Do you really believe that Elizabeth Edwards has cancer? How do you know? Oh, I see, John said so.
who brought up cancer? read my post, doofus
In my opinion it is not the liberals who blobbed about the Palin baby’s parentage wherein it was stated that the real mother is Bristol instead of Mrs Palin. I would bet the rent money the Republicans issued that blog themselves. This is a real Karl Rove trick to pull the Dems. in to accuse them of spreading dirt. It provides Republicans with the opportunity to announce a bombshell while sounding pious and wronged and pointing the finger at someone else throwing dirt.
Hmmm let’s see questions raised, compelling evidence in support that the alleged 5th Palin child was not borne in April by the VP pick but in fact by her 17 year old daughter. Just in case you missed the curious evidence:
1) Sarah Palin waits 6 months to announce her pregnancy much to the surprise of everyone including her personal staff.
2) Various pictures of the Gov up to and through the alleged time of delivery do not support a pregnant Sarah Palin.
3) The incredible story of the Sarah’s water (amniotic fluid) breaking during a trip to Dallas – where her physician green lights her delivering a 30 minute speech, then a nearly 12 hour flight back to Anchorage before dashing into the Wasilla hospital for an induced delivery.
4) Bristol Palin’s suspicious 6 months absence from school – it is alleged she was bouting with “mono nucleosis”.
5) Absolutely no response (until today) or denial from the Palin camps.
Seems that the traction this story was gaining finally reached a tipping point and we get today’s announcement from the McCain / Palin spin machine that Bristol is again, oh sorry, is now pregnant for real! How freaking incredible is that! And oh yeah she just happens to be 5 months pregnant, just pregnant enough to cover the time of her mother’s alleged delivery. How convenient! I would not be surprised if in a month or so she suffers an unfortunate miscarriage and then maybe just maybe – to help out her Mom she and the mysterious Levi will take Trig to raise as their own.
I’m sorry to be so cynical and skeptical but McCain’s perfect ultra conservative family values VP pick is jut to good to be true and when that’s the case, it’s usually not.
Aside from the fact or fiction in all this one has to question Sarah Palin’s priorities. She claims to be the ultimate family value person. But given the needs of her younger children, given the issue of her new infant’s Downs Syndrome and given her oldest daughter’s troubles combined with her lack of reasonable qualification. She chooses to place her family second as she pursue what can be described as no less than an incredibly questionable candidacy as McCain’s incredibly questionable pick for the Vice Presidency.
While she may claim to be family centered it is clear that to Sarah Palin politics comes before all else including her family.
Next time we can discuss Palin’s Trooper-gate and her recent retaining of legal counsel; and first her support for then flip flop on the “Bridge to Nowhere” and her hiring of a consultant to maximize obtaining earmarks for Alaska – both of which mitigates her reformer claim.
Sarah Palin – unqualified and unbelievable!
Oh, noooooo, “Lisa Paul,” it has NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA OR HIS MANY, MANY SOROS-SUPPORTED DEFLECTORS.
They’re COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT THINKERS (see: Monty Python’s “Life of Brian”, as the masses repeat verbatim):
C O M P L E T E L Y I N D E P E N D E N T T H I N K E R S . . . .
…echo in here? I don’t think so.
Oh, you Leftists! A laugh a minute!!!
Ms. Palin should go home and take her of her son and also give support to her single mother daughther who needs her now more than ever.
That’s really desperate, Alberto of the unintentionally appropriate surname.
Yeah Bob Barber, If I was a democrat reading this thread with the idiot democrats on it, I’d blame it on a Rovian plot too.
I’m embarrassed for you.
Why don’t you guys go celebrate the property damage of Hurricane Gustav or something? Don’t you ever get tired of beating up troubled teenagers and disabled babies? There’s a word for people who thrill at the misfortune of others, but PJM won’t let me say it.
Can you imagine if something happened to McCain and she became President of the USA? OM Gosh what a disaster. She is not running for a soap opera folks. Its for PRESIDENT OF THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE PLANET.
Let’s see:
Palin’s daughter made a choice. Just like Obama made choices: He’s running for president with no executive experience; he has virulently racist friends; he has communist mentors; and he is friends with domestic terrorists.
What was Palin’s choice? To stand by her daughter who made a bad decision. Which I might add, as it is her daughter’s CHOICE, is not anybody’s business. Especially all of you sexist pigs…
HEY “anonymous” 4:59pm, you may be the latest, but you’re not the firs tto bring up the pseudo-moral meme like:
1. “she’s got kids, therefore she can’t do the job.”
and
2. “a kid with Down’s Syndrome requires full time attention, she must be a bad mother.”
I lived through college days in the ’70’s, when this nonsense was put forward as an “argument” (ha hah ha!!!) in this form:
“Here’s a riddle for you: You’re driving along the street at night, and come upon a car accident. The driver is all bloody on the road, and looks like he might just not make it. Others recognize the driver as a neighbor, whose father has died. Along comes an ambulance, just in the nick of time. Out jumps the doctor, who says, “Oh, no, it’s my son!” So, who is the doctor?”
Surprise! The doctor is the driver’s mother.
At this point, it seems the “Daily Caustic” posters here would still be screaming, “Quel horrible! That can’t be!”
POINT BEING: If mom has a job, dad is probably busy with the kids. Maybe there’s a housesitting nanny…whatever: Situation normal.
RE-TREAD POSTERS like you are a joke. You and they are echoing the sexism of an earlier era. They are undermining ANYTHING POSSIBLY BELIEVABLE in the CREDIBILITY OF THE DEMOCRAT’S PARTY vis a vis “gender issues”…let alone FAMILY.
I see. Instead of the announcement of Bristol’s pregnancy stopping the attacks, it’s only going to prolong them. I think even if they came out with medical records and live video of Trig’s birth, some people would choose not to believe the evidence.
Do you realize the amount of medical personnel that would have to be in on this conspiracy as well?
“Ms. Palin should go home and take her of her son and also give support to her single mother daughther (sic)who needs her now more than ever.”
What you really want is for her to “go home” you don’t really care whether she does anything for her family. Her “single mother daughter” is going to get married and there are plenty of families who’ve gone through this you judgmental, moralizing prune.
Two of Al Gore’s kids got in trouble with the law, Albert Jr several times. You never heard about it, but it happened. When Albert Jr was found to be driving in excess of 100 mph and holding, did that make Al Gore unfit to be president? Should he have suspended his campaign and “gone home” to take care of his family? Oh, no…he’s a MAN. Only WOMEN are supposed to “go home”, even if they have a perfectly good husband able to take care of things.
Hypocrites, all of you. Palin is everything you would be praising if only she was a democrat instead of a Republican. Hypocrites. Apparently nothing you’ve been saying for the last 40 years was actually real. Hypocrites. You’re sickening and you’re sick.
This is an excellent article; I too am much more in sympathy with Mrs. Palin than I should be. She is clearly intelligent, clearly a caring mother, clearly practicing what she preaches.
And by the way, really classy, going after the 17 year old. Hypocrites, all of you.
Please tell us more Bob and Alberto. Hold nothing back.
I am furious that the immorality of this situation is being swept under the rug by Fox News and the few remaining bastions of conservative media! If this happened to one of those liberal democrats, we’d be rightfully telling everyone about their sexual permissiveness, and how they don’t make sure their children aren’t out fornicating like animals! Just because Sarah Palin’s a Republican doesn’t mean we don’t have a responsibility to call them out for this disgraceful, sinful behavior!
Why wasn’t she making sure where her daughter was? Why wasn’t her daughter being properly chaperoned when she was with that boy? I’ll tell you why, because instead of being home watching her children like a woman ought to be, she was out playing politics!
I cannot understand how Mrs Palin can do the job she is seeking.She has a special needs baby who is a full time job plus in itself. I know only too well what I’m talking about having one in our own family. The extra work involved is infinate. The hours, days, and weeks going to therapy and doctors visits is endless and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. They are a twenty four job. I just want to live forever or should I say as long as he does. I cannot imagine leaving this world and leaving him behind never mind taking on more responsibilities while he is still a baby.
Wow, lefties are showing their true colors with their bad faith arguments. What a miserable, bankrupt lot.
It seems we’ve broken some new ground here. After reading this blog, I see there are at least a couple of things liberals and conservatives can agree on:
1) A woman’s womb and what she does with it are private, whether she chooses to have a child out of wedlock or to abort it are not matters for public discussion nor legislation.
2) Smearing candidates by promoting rumors and lies is bad. It’s bad when liberals infer that Sarah Polin covered up her daughter’s two pregnancies, and it’s bad when conservatives imply that Obama is Muslim. Campaigns should be about the issues.
In Alaska the age of consent is 16…so there is truly no way the Palins would have any recourse at all to impose their moral values on a 17 year old. The daughter is responsible legally and morally and has made her own choice to get pregnate and to carry the child to term. The Palins are being supportive as any good parents should. The Palins can not legally demand anything actually.
John
“Is anyone thinking of this down syndrome child. I know as an uncle of a down child that it takes a 100% commitment to raise a child with those challenges. THERE DEFINATELY IS NOT TIME TO BE A VP AT THE SAME TIME!”
Once again, you guys conveniently forget the full-time husband. When you have to moralize for political expediency, then suddenly all the rules change. Suddenly only a mother can parent. And women should be home with their children
Such sexists and hypocrites you are. Shame on you. SHAME.
“Since the Republicans have been in the White House for 8 years, civil liberties and privacy is non-existent.”
WHAT? What civil liberties have you lost? What privacy have you lost?
PHONY.
I feel bad for the family first and foremost, but they will be blessed in a few months.
Now I agree with the majority on this post. My concern is the blatant hypocrisy. You can slam a young Michelle for a thesis based on her experiences. Then use that as a reason not to support Obama.
We like Palin. She is no neocon. True conservatives like Abe Lincoln are always good. But Dems are much better than any neocon. She will change the party. It’s not about the NRA or less gov’t. It’s about the war, lower taxes for some and borrow more than ever. No pork comes near our borrowing. It’s about Nat. security, not Globalization.
I give the Maverick credit. That was not what the neocons wanted. Neocons you lose regardless.
The problem I have with republicans is how irrational they are sometimes and they replace science with beliefs or gut thinking. I’ve heard that Republicans have a higher rate of unplanned pregnancies. Now I want to know what Sara Palin’s views on birth control and sex education are. Have they changed since her daughter became pregnant? Some republicans hold the irrational belief that abstinance only programs work to decrease the rate of unplanned pregnancies when all the science shows that they don’t By contrast, sex education does have a significant effect. Was the subject taboo at Palins house?
A “smear” has nothing to do with the truth and the truth is contraceptioon, if not abstinence, are dirty words in the Palin household. When someone claims abstinence is the only way to forego a pregnancy with an unmarried person and a child at that, then hypocrisy reigns supreme in that household. It seems what’s good for everyone else is not good enough for Palin. That McCain alledgedly Vetted Palin and went with her as his VP choice shows an abslute lack of credible judgement on his part, if not plain stupidity. The man is addled.
See this YouTube video. Some republican, some patriot Palin is LOL In the vid she calls the Alaska Independence Party’s convention “inspiring”. Well, the AIP wants to cede from the United States and become a break away republic, using their oil wealth to run things.
Their founder who passed away, refused to be buried anywhere near an American Flag.
WHat a mess Palin is.
Here it is on The YouTube…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI
“If she didn’t know what her own daughter was doing (which I assume is likely), can she be counted on to know how prepared FEMA or our military is?”
I cannot BELIEVE the stupidity of this question…which seems to show that the questioner thinks the president is a parent.
“Abstinence only education kills. There’s no candy-coated way to express it.”
sigh.
For the record, I think there should be a comprehensive education that talks about abstinence and birth control.
BUT…let’s be intellectually HONEST here, and NOT HYPOCRITES. Sex education has been in the schools for 40 years, and condoms are available everywhere – teens are preached at from MTV, and the STILL become pregnant in HUGE numbers.
So, please…pedal your drama queen stuff elsewhere. Hypocrite.
“We need to see a DNA test. Bristol has 2 children. It is obvious that there will be lots more to come out of this story. Sarah Palin is not the mother of the first child with down’s syndrome. Her daughter is.”
Oh. My. God. GET MEDICATED.
The real horror of Palin is that she is an unknown quantity — after an incredibly long campaign, McCain picks a VP that most people had never heard of. For example I didn’t know until I read this article that she was a creationist. Also, I’d never heard of a group that wants Alaska to seceed — if we elect the Republicans Again — I support the secession of the Northeast and West Coast from the country. After years of devisiveness, McCain went and picked someone who is possibly more devisive than anyone we’ve had to deal with before — hardly a sign of good leadership. I think her support for her daughter to have a child at 17 is much more irresponsible than, say, John Edwards affair with another adult. christians can always tote out bible verses to support anything they want — I’ve already heard a few do this regarding Palin on C-Span’s call-in program.
Bobby Joe: Worst. Fake. Republican. Ever.
No, it just never occurs to them that a household with kids is supposed to have a father in residence. He’s supposed to live somewhere else and send money.
Bobby Joe, how is it living under the bridge?
Let them keep smearing her.
The truth is, the remaining “main stream” democrats that were at one time pulling for Hillary are now crossing the aisle. They’ll support McCain / Palin this time, not only because it gives Hillary a shot in 2012, but because they can “rally around Palin.”
No, the bigger issue the Democrats have got to fear is that while they may lose their main-stream voters this election, the run a big risk losing them forever if this smear campaign keeps up.
Some genius wrote this:
“Abstinance is 0% effective.”
Actually, it’s 100% effective, I’d say.
And Bristol didn’t practice it. She made a mistake. And she’s accepting responsibility for it and doing the right thing.
Conservatives and Christians set high standards, knowing that human beings cannot always meet those standards. When they fail, as they will, compassion is in order. And also an insistence that people accept responsibility for their deeds.
Liberals also know that people will not always live up to high standards. Therefore, they want the standards abolished. And when they see a conservative who has erred, their reaction is not compassionate, it’s: Ha, ha, ha, you hypocrite! How dare you have morals! Have no standards, just like us!
Nope. I’d rather not.
“What kind of people are these? Have they no ethics, morals, values?”
Ummm… apparently you just threw that whole issue out since it’s pretty apparent that you don’t have any more ethics, morals or values than I do. This is that whole abstinence education thing again that is working so well in Texas (one of highest teen pregnancy rates in nation). Once again its just another indication of a FAILED republican policy (amongst many).
As for the rest of the abortion issue… I keep hearing this claim that it’s something like “50 million” babies that haven’t been born. I want everyone to consider what the United States would look like with a population of 350 million…. there are already water shortages in the southeast and southwest and there are now indications that large dead areas devoid of fish are growing in the oceans.
Anyone want to guess how close we are getting to Soylent Green and how much 50 million additional people will speed that along?
One theme I see running throughout this commentary is that Governor Palin’s daughter had a choice and made her choice to have her child.
Note to Gov. Palin: Your daughter has her choice *now*, but you support legislation that hopes to eradicate the ability for her to make that decision in her future and the future of women in the US.
Re: Gov. Palin and parenting — Regardless of the conversations that Gov. Palin and her daughter(s) have had, one thing is clear: The now expecting Miss Palin did not seek to obtain “Plan B” and try to reduce/eliminate her chances of becoming pregnant. (I will give the Gov. the benefit of the doubt and presume that she has had sex ed talks with her children).
RANT: I am very tired of the presumption that only Pro-Life people like Gov. Palin would choose to have a child with Down’s Syndrome. As a fiercely pro-choice woman (no kids yet), I would make the same decision as Sarah Palin and have the child. Sorr people, it is not limited to the sphere of the pro-lifers. It’s a personal decision.
Again, please be cautious of using the phrase that it was Miss Palin’s “choice” to have her child when the platform you are standing on to say it is (1) pro-life; and (2) pro-overturning Roe v. Wade.
If that is your platform, that would have been her OUTCOME and not her CHOICE as you do not believe a woman has the right to decide what happens inside her own body.
I do echo concerns, though, that it a period of time with the US is engaged in two wars, where the US has strained international relationships and where things on the US homefront are in less than stellar shape, and in the aftermath of Cheney significantly changing the game in terms of what VPs do…
Is PALIN (new parent to a special needs child and grandmother to be) ready to be VP? For a woman so very pro-Alaska, not well traveled in foreign spheres (1st passport in 2007 as a 42+ year old), can she balance these priorities after moving her family to Washington, DC?
And is PALIN ready to be VP in the face of her connections to:
Ted Stevens (and his 527s)
Troopergate
For “Bridge to Nowhere” before against BtN
Not actually being in charge of the Alaska Natl Guard
“Foreign Policy Experience” = Proximity to Russia (and that past-Siberia part of Russia)
“Not really sure what the VP does…” comment
And, do not smear the Liberal Kossacks and Huffposters (you forget FireDogLake in your progressive rants; oh, and Think Progress and Talking Points Memo) for bringing this to light and “smearing the Palin family”. Again, no legs to stand on.
2000 election. John McCain. Taken down by the Bush team (and Karl Rove) for allegations, to include alleging dubious parentage of his adopted non-white child. The same man who now “informally” advises teh McCain campaign.
A previous poster and Obama supporter wrote “Last thing we need in the white house is people who don’t fully grasp critical domestic, global, and foreign problems we face.”
I agree. Obama should withdraw immediately.
I didn’t know so many a-holes on the left read this blog.
Sarah Palin is an exceptional person and an impressive leader. This being said, is McCain showing the best judgement in selecting her as VP. With the state of the world and our country, the executives in the White House will need a lot of focus and energy and be prepared to undergo a lot of stress. Right now Palin has one child going to Iraq, another child pregnant out of wedlock, a third child with Down’s Syndrome, and two other children! How could anyone, even McCain, be certain that none of these familial issues will add additional stress to Palin, and possibly distract her so that she doesn’t have her entire focus on the critical problems of the world and this country. I heard one Palin supporter say that if she can mother five kids, she can easily run the country. Maybe so; but can she do both?
Apparently some of the libs here touting the sex education line weren’t paying real close attention in sex ed themselves.
Or else they’d know that A. Women in their 40′s are at high risk for bearing a child with Down syndrome. Teenagers are not. (Drugs, alcohol and smoking are the most common reasons teen moms have babies with birth defects.)
B. Bristol would have had to have gotten pregnant almost immediately after birthing Trig. Any woman who has actually had a baby knows sex is the last thing you feel like after going through labor. Doctors tell women to abstain for 6-8 weeks after having a baby, and it’s not a problem for most of us!
So cut it out with the moronic assertions that Bristol is pregnant for the second time.
Better yet, why not listen to The One, who has decreed Palin’s family off limits. You people drool and slaver whenever he says anything else.
The far left’s smears? Obama himself denounced any reporting on the matter today cause it doesn’t matter.
THIS DOESN’T MATTER. You blogging about it is just giving more merit to it as a sensationalist, no substance story.
The now expecting Miss Palin did not seek to obtain “Plan B” and try to reduce/eliminate her chances of becoming pregnant.
How the hell do you know? Were you in the room with them? Condoms can break or leak. No form of birth control is 100% effective.
I have no idea whether Bristol was on birth control or not. Neither do you.
As a tepid McCain supporter and a joyous McCain/Palin supporter following Friday’s announcement, I must say that today’s announcement is not sitting well with me politically. I admire Gov. Palin’s commitment for life with respect to Trig and I respect and support her and her husband’s unconditional support for their daughter’s situation. But this whole thing just smells politically. Why not come clean Friday when Gov. Palin was formally announced? Why break the news today? On Labor Day when everybody is out of the house or out of town? On a day when we all know Gustav will be the lead story? It just smacks of politics, plain and simple. I’d like to think that we conservatives and the McCain camp were above such obvious use of the news cycle in trying to minimize a story. It was obviously released today in hopes of minimizing the damage. And frankly it does nothing to help subdue those ridiculous rumors about Gov. Palin and Trig over at the DailyKook site.
I do hope that this will blow over so that we may still have hope in defeating an unashamed Marxist but this all just seems unnecessary when it could have all been opened up on Friday. My Dad had a saying that the more you stir in it, the more it stinks and this one is really stinking right now.
How could anyone, even McCain, be certain that none of these familial issues will add additional stress to Palin, and possibly distract her so that she doesn’t have her entire focus on the critical problems of the world and this country.
Biden had two small kids to take care of when he became a widower. He stayed in the Senate and carried on. What that even an issue? Did anyone say he was neglecting his sons by not resigning his post?
Unlike Biden, Palin is not a single mother. Her husband will be caring for the children. And yes, her eldest son will be deployed – just like McCain’s and Biden’s sons.
God, what’s the next argument? That Palin might have PMS and wig out on us?
“Unlike Biden, Palin is not a single mother.”
Oops, I meant to type single parent. Obviously, he was never a single mother.
No matter who McCain picked, no matter if he vetted this individual for a decade, the crap would still hit the fan.
The opponents to this campaign base reality upon perception, they don’t see any moral need to back away. They are no better than the gossipy teen queens at their private lunch table in high school.
alright…i am going to just go ahead and say it…..even though our leader told us to lay off the hick chick and her trailer trash brood (yea, he didn’t quite tell my Kos homies to until today did he?)…this place ain’t exactly CNN then is it? …what the rest of us open-minded, thinking, more educated progressives are thinking anyways….palin is a bitch!!!
There I said it…she is plainly a piece of white trash garbage from a backward religious background and believes the earth is still flat…..she used reform as a ladder to climb to power while neglecting her suffering kids….she irresponsibly brought a defective child into aovercrowded world because of her backwrads view on womyns choice….she is the worst example of a womyn…letting herself become nothing more than a pathetic breeder of a brood of 5 more white trash nitwits….running around in camoflauge in the forests of alaska with guns killing innocent animals and then gutting the poor creatures….i can hardly stomach the thought of them in power in dc….
..and i don’t care if i or my likewise more progressive thinking comrades offend the so-called “hillary supporters” they are all bitches too..we don’t need your votes….barack obama will get elected anyway as ha speaks accross the country and people will be as enchanted and impressed as the rest of us are…barack obama has done more for womyn than any womyn themself has….hell…wuzn’t he the only one who dared to vote against helping the live birth abortion product to live…the compassion and love for people of this man knows no bounds!!!!….imagine the horrible consequences to womyn if they had to take care of a thing that should have been killed but some stupid doctor botches it and it lives ….
just proof that if you don’t vote for obama not only are you a racist reactionary…..you are a bitch….go ahead and vote for the old war criminal and the trailer trash bitch…see if we care…you cannot stop THE CHANGE
This does not indicate that this christian conservative family is normal and one of us (chrisitan conservative community). As a christian conservative I am obviously very please that the daughter is having the baby. However, she should not have been having pre-marital sex to begin with. This is the root of the problem. Let’s not dodge this issue. I am appalled that christian conservatives are not heavily criticizing the family for not keeping a better eye over their daughter and more effectively counseling her about pursuing abstinence. This is a must. Without this, obviously the risk of abortions increases and possibly other deviant behavior. Why didn’t the parent do a better job? How good of an eye are they keeping over their kids? What else are they letting their kids do? I think this should make us question the values and judgment of the parents. This type of behavior – while common and maybe normal in the US – is repulsive, the type of behavior you see from liberals, and excuses that liberals would use if it happened to them. I’m afraid that there might be other things from the past about this family that might make us question their christian conservative credentials. I hope not.Herby
Donna @ 6:08 pm — Your assessment is correct; I do not know whether Miss Palin was practicing safe sex and something went awry or was not practicing safe sex and hoped/prayed for the best. I was biased based upon Gov. Palin’s POV regarding sex education in her state of Alaska.
Between the between the issues in Alaska and defense of her “foreign policy” by the punditry to be “Alaska is close to Russia”, makes it seem like there is scrambling to defend her as the VP pick and that she geniunely was not well vetted. How could they realistically expect to hold onto the “experience” card when selecting Palin for VP?
Technically, in terms of “executive” experience, Palin IS the only one since she’s the only candidate who has governed a state…Alaska (47th state in US population-wise)…
Recall that weeks ago (aug. 10th, CBS Face the Nation), Rove was on the air (in reference to Tim Kaine) stating that (1) he hadn’t been governor of VA that long and that (2) Richmond, VA was the 105th largest city and being the mayor (and city councilman) of the 105th largest city wasn’t a big deal, etc. and is a bad pick for an Obama VP.
Now, when you use Rove’s words to comment on Palin, she hasn’t been governor that long AND Wasilla is significantly smaller in population than Richmond, VA… So she’s a good choice for VP, then?
How does she get more credibility in terms of experience and what she brings to the table than Lieberman, Guliani, Romney, Hutchison, Snowe, Pawlenty?
herby:
pre-marital and/or teenage sex is not limited to liberals or conservatives.
“liberals” just want to be realistic and to make sure that if their kids are having sex, then they are doing it responsibly (no STDs, no pregnancy) and that there is someone that they can talk to (1) beforehand; and (2) in the event birth control doesn’t work, in the event their is an itch or bump down there. Liberals also believe they should begin pelvic exams (“if you’re grown up enough to have sex, you’re grown up enough to go see an OB/GYN”).
“liberals” don’t believe that sex education is a green-light to go and have sex, but they believe in arming their children with all available knowledge so that they can (hopefully) make educated (though out) decisions. AND, in the event there is a “whoops”, they have options of not only obtaining Plan B, but starting retroviral therapies in the case of a viral STD.
I believe that those who pass judgment on Palin for choosing to be a working mother are being unfair. None of us are walking in her shoes. What we’re asked to decide is who has the leadership and credentials to best govern our country, not to decide whether their personal lives and choices match “our standards.”
Does anybody know how old the father of Bristol Palin’s baby is?
And, how long they have been together?
Or, do we have to wait for the wedding certificate?
His age is a factor that could reveal something about the judgment of her parents.
I saw some claims about his age, but have not seen anything verifiable on the topic.
schnargley, the troll force is strong with you. In your next rant, make sure to note that someone who uses “womyn” would never use “bitch” as well. Other than that, nice effort.
schnargley, you’re kind of an idiot, aren’t you?
Palin certainly has an interesting background. Whereas her personal life, and that of her children, should not be fodder for the media, I cannot help but question her support for her pregnant daughter’s upcoming nuptials. Support is nice, but the statistics are not in favor of the successful marriage of pregnant teenagers. “Shotgun weddings” were popular in the 50s & 60s… are those the decades Palin is still living in?
Wow, those horrible Demorats, smearing this beacon of hope and virture. Now, what’s the lastest on Michelle Obama?
SOMEONE said: “What I *am* saying is, this is a clear case of hypocricy on the part of Sarah Palin, and that it’s also a good example of how policies like abstinence-only that are driven only by an ideological and religious approach to issues while disregarding some basic, observable facts about their nature tend to be unsuccessful.”
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And in response to your accusation of hypocrisy against Palin, I would suggest that you examine the hypocrisy of your self-righteousness stance and also admit that abstinence reflects self-respect as well as religious convictions.
“‘liberals’ don’t believe that sex education is a green-light to go and have sex”
Funny you should mention traffic lights:
http://gus3.typepad.com/i_am_therefore_i_think/2005/08/clueless_planne.html
According to “liberals” (at least the ones who’ve decided they love our kids more than we do) it’s all *my* choice, *me me me me me*, and You Can’t Stop ME!
s sommer,
Well you can be sure it isn’t John Edwards, otherwise none of this would have ever seen the light of day in the media.
Ms. Catalano: A fine article, and a nice effort. Doesn’t seem to have worked, though. The hysterical mud-throwers you described so well seem to have dropped by PJM to prove your point.
I think it’s clear McCain didn’t vet this candidate properly. ABC is now reporting she supported Alaska succession party in the 90s. I can’t imagine what’s coming next? McCain has lost his marbles.
From Cederford:
“Well, gosh! If she were a man with a wife with terminal cancer or a politician who had a retarded son and a daughter with DWIs and a drug abuse problem – I doubt for an instant you would be saying in effect “how DARE he not quit any job he had or stop any campaign and become a 100% caregiver.”
Well, gosh! Why is the only option between running for VP or being a 100% caregiver? Is she the only person in the entire Republican party qualified to be VP?
BTW, I DID think that John and Elizabeth Edwards were being incredibly selfish to put their family through the stress of a Presidential campaign when the family was dealing with cancer.
Hi Michele – You have made some valid points, but I think you are missing one point though. The root of this matter is how Palin and her husband wasn’t able to guide her daughter in the right direction, or at least in the same direction that she keeps preaching to other parents to tell their kids, which is abstinance from sex. This critical failure in her own family makes me question her abilities to lead and guide the country as a leader of the country. Yes, I feel for the daughter, and the pressure this will put on her, and she shouldn’t be attacked for her mistake. But …. this is not all about the daughter, this is also about the mother, the one who is running for a position that is one of the most critical in our country. If she wants our vote for VP, she should allow us to find out A LOT about who she is, what makes her tick, and about her background, her character, her values, her leadership skills, etc. This story is important for the American public/voters to hear about. If Gov. Palin knew about her daughter’s pregnancy before accepting the VP selection, it was her duty to protect her daughter from criticism and attention from the media and the public, and should have not accepted. She had the choice to protect her daughter, but chose her career instead.
it’s lovely that sarah palin has a real family, instead of one made up by a public relations agent. real families have struggles with commonly held illusions, stresses and troubles, even with their own core beliefs. strong people, like palin, are able to withstand the random nature of the universe, keeping to their values to the advantage of the family. just as there are all sorts of people, there are all kinds of mothering. love, acceptance and support smooths the road ahead. there are many different roads. have five children and see what happens.
People seem to forget that you can guide and direct your kids in what you believe is the right direction, but at the end of the day they are still free-thinking individuals who are carving their own way in life, and that means learning the hard way.
And I continue to take offense at people who think the special needs child will be neglected by a mother in high position. Are people forgetting there is a very involved father married to that baby’s mother? Or are we now completely overlooking that role out of ridiculous habit?
I’m sadly with those for whom this is a deal-breaker. I bit my tongue when I was wondering what on earth would motivate a parent (father OR mother) to accept the burden of taking on a national campaign while several young children–including an infant, for crying out loud!–were still at home.
And now we know that one of the not-so-young children is and has been in need of some extensive, constructive parental involvement and supervision. What sort of family values would cause a parent–mother or father–to thrust a 17-year-old and her boyfriend into the national spotlight at a time like this? A pretty weak sort, that’s what.
Mother or father, there is NO HUMAN PARENT who is capable of fulfilling his/her family responsibilities while running for Vice President of the United States, and I cannot support someone who would make such a choice.
Next call I get from the McCain campaign, I’m asking to be taken off the list.
Not only is Sarah Palin unqualified to be VP, but McCain has proven yet again that he does not have the judgement, temperament, and perspective to be President and Commander in Chief. I am sick of incompetent administrations and what they have done to the U.S. “Country First: vote Obama.”
From Jpl:
“Once again, you guys conveniently forget the full-time husband.”
According to Sarah Palin, her full-time husband has a full-time job outside of the home.
@John…really? Ever raise kids yourself? I’ve got three coming up on the “teenage years” and frankly, as a father, I’m terrified. I think they’re good kids but…life does get lived.
I’ve never been more excited by the announcement of a VP candidate…it is usually “same old same old (Biden ring a bell here?)” Palin? Sorry Libtards…I’m excited. My movement, Conservatism, now has a standard bearer. Thank God.
As for my home state? Us bible-clinging gun owners who vote “D”?…the more they learn about Sarah…the closer you are to losing the election. Welcome to Pensylvania.
“The root of this matter is how Palin and her husband wasn’t able to guide her daughter in the right direction, or at least in the same direction that she keeps preaching to other parents to tell their kids, which is abstinance from sex.”
Really? They “wasn’t”? That would put them in pretty good company, considering in the history of the world there has never been a child that listened to everything their parent told them. Yeah so that must disqualify her for the office of VP.
Re: Michelle Obama… She stepped in front of microphone and took up the cause of her husband. She became political at that moment and a fair target in politics. Palin’s daughter was just trying to live her life right up until the left started to politicize her. She’s just a young woman you are exploiting for your political purposes. Stay classy.
There are some pretty dim bulbs putting their two cents in tonight. Did all of these so called progressives come from the same cesspool of intellectual whoredom?
So I am not sure but I did some digging and found out the name of Bristol Paulin’s soon to be husband his name listed here:
http://alaskareport.com/news98/x61582_bristol_palin_pregnant.htm
So Levi Miller age 18. Could this be him?
http://www.myspace.com/ilovekkc
I doubt it. But could someone better at this then I look into this and get back to me or post. He is the only Levi Miller in Wasilla, Alaska.
When its pointed out that Palin is even less experianced, they point back to Obama’s percieved lack of experiance.
Augh. beyond the semiliterate spelling, in what universe is a first time Governor less qualified to be VICE President than a first term Senator is to be PRESIDENT.
“If she can’t control her own house, how can she control the Government”…..
Um, Gary, unless Michelle Obama has changed parties since I saw her in Denver last week, that would have been a Democrat.
Wow. My daughter is bombarded with immoral trash from Hollywood on a daily basis. Now I have to explain this to her? Thanks, John McCain. Nice family values.
Lady, if your daughter is in any danger of becoming a mom and you haven’t explained the birds and the bees yet, then thank God something is going to get you to do it.
Michelle, as long as I’m excoriating moonbats, let me throw in a little for you.
First, the descriptions of the vetting process seems to be rather more than just meeting Palin once; read Jay Cost’s recent article on the close match between their political positions in general. You of all people ought to know by now not to fall for the first description of a Republican’s decisions by a generally unfriendly press.
Second, I don’t think it’s in any way fair to assume that she’s a woman whose “core ideologies you oppose”. The teaching creationism one if simply false; see the stuff at LGF about it. If she really were a radical creationist, Charles Johnson would have gone off on her without a doubt. More importantly, though, this is a woman who has devoted her political career to fighting corruption in the Alaska machine, which happens to be, mirabile dictu, a Republican machine. She has none the less fought it from within her own party, and won. To suggest her “prolife” views, and the simply incorrect assertion of her creationist views — which I don’t agree with any more than you — are her only core ideologies seems to me to be a pretty narrow understanding of her. It probably tells us more about you that Palin.
If McCain had any guts or brains he would have selected Olympia Snowe for VP … but he doesn’t, and he’s going down in flames fast. He’s been reckless ever since his days as a fly-boy who didn’t read his pilot manuals and damn near killed himself as a result.
Too bad for Palin; she might have had a very promising career if she’d have not allowed JM to make her a pawn in his game and waited for 2012 or 2016 … but she’s not a child and made her choices
“I find this hate and despicable smears by the far left and Dems beyond belief. What kind of people are these? Have they no ethics, morals, values? They are happy for hurricanes that could kill and harm American citizens and distroy homes and businesses…they think it is a sign from God”
Didn’t John hagee say that hurricane Katrina was punishment for a gay pride parade that hadn’t even happened yet? Wasn’t September 11 a punishment for gay sex and liberalism according jerry Falwell? Have Conservatives have no ethics, moral, values? hey are happy for hurricanes that could kill and harm American citizens and distroy homes and businesses…they think it is a sign from God.
IdoNOTconcur:
From Jpl:
“Once again, you guys conveniently forget the full-time husband.”
According to Sarah Palin, her full-time husband has a full-time job outside of the home.
According to her when and from what source? Currently, I think he’s a full time dad. He left his job a while back to avoid conflict of interest with his wife’s job, I believe.
when will the left learn that they can’t fight the right with facts and arguments? they all resort to name calling non-sequitors.
the left needs to open their mouths, scream back, and lean into it fist first. haven’t you gotten sick of being a wus, un-patriotic, elitist, or immoral? stop shaking your head, wringing your hands and fight back.
i’m profoundly sad that the country is so polarized, but it’s the right making things polarized. they invented the “liberal media” (it doesn’t exist) – which has sent all “news” into titillation and sensationalism, cause god forbid it looks biased to some fool in the midwest. now all we have is FOX and right wing radio.
i’m sick of it. I don’t believe in the easter bunny, the tooth fairy and certainly not creationism. i’m sick of pretending that people who do believe in them have the right to vote – let alone hold office, instead of having a high dose of anti-psychotic medications at regularly scheduled intervals.
the founding fathers that you hold in such high regard, recognized that people who believed in the easter bunny were stupid too.
if you think someone who went to columbia and harvard (from a MIDDLE CLASS BACKGROUND) isn’t better qualified than the beauty pageant mayor – I’m talking about you.
Obama (wrongly) – continues this nice guy approach, but I won’t. The entire world calls you a moron, and people smarter than you think you’re a moron. When people smarter talk, you should listen, because your judgment is inferior.
McCain’s had cancer 4 times, and he’s 72. I don’t wish him dead but there’s a good chance of it. It’s irresponsible to put this mom next in line. He’s put politics ahead of the country.
Sara should be home bare foot and cooking dinner for the family while the papa brings home some grizzle from the forest. “Political correctness” has been dead since 2000 or so – realize you haven’t heard that yet – so stop blaming the left for it. South park killed it years ago.
i am very much a lefty, and a dem by default, and i have to agree with the writer of this story.
i have been fighting many friends who felt the need to dig into the rumour mill about mrs. palin’s baby being her daughters, and while i do *personally* think there is a connection between sarah palin’s abstinence-only education views and her own family’s situation, i still find it too abhorrent to dig the claws into her daughter. i can personally feel there is a connection without using the internets to spew vitriol about it, which is what has been happening.
i have said every step of the way that going after her daughter is a supremely shitty thing to do, not to mention a strategic misstep on the part of online dems who have engaged in it.
that said, i think it’s important to differentiate those who have gone after her wholeheartedly, and barack obama. his campaign handled it the way it should have been handled. hands off the kids; no muckraking on the kids.
i think this is showing just how pissed off and frustrated the left is, but unfortunately, it’s bringing out the worst in some people.
but please remember, not all of us have been engaging in this, and some of us are just as pissed about it.
Umm, no Republican has *any* business whatsoever pasting the label “smear campaign” on anyone else after all the despicable nonsense the GOP delivered wholesale the past several years, from Bush’s people in 2000 creating rumors of McCain fathering an illegitimate black child, being gay and having a drug-addicted wife, to Michelle Malkin in 2004 trying create a rumor of Kerry shooting himself in Vietnam, along with platoon of corrupt liars who originated the term “swiftboating, to everything and anything involving Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame, and to now all these Obama-targeted smears involving his birth certificate, William Ayers, being secretly a Muslim, Rush Limbaugh mentioning a supposed tape recording of Michelle Obama using the word “Whitey” while speaking at church, and so on and so forth.
Remember that saying about “glass houses”? Well the ones Republicans live in are large enough to serve as greenhouses that can grow enough crops for a good size town….
Everyone is missing the big picture. Where is her commitment to her children? Why is she running for VP when it is so obvious she is needed by her children (new baby with special needs, pregnant daughter).
I am a mom with five children (three girls) so I feel I am qualified to speak on this issue. My position on Palin’s judgement would not change if it were Hillary Clinton.
I do not think any woman (even if she wasn’t 44 and carrying a child with down syndrome) in her right mind would get on a plane to fly from Texas to Alaska while she is in premature labor. That’s just crazy. I have to question her judgement on this one. She could have had the hubby and doctor flown to Texas and had the baby in a hospital there. This was a blatant disregard for the child’s safety.
I know she would have had to lie to the airline or at least not tell them because there is no way they would have let her on the plane.
If I had just given birth I would remain home with my child for several weeks. How do you give birth to your fifth child and be back to work three days later? Truly this is not healthy for the mom and not in the best interest of the baby or the family. For this reason doctor’s recommend six weeks out of work when women give birth. Honestly I would not be thinking about work. I would be at home bonding with my child, making sure he learns to nurse properly, and helping the other children adjust to the new family member. I have a child with special needs. They need much more attention than children without disabilities. Something has gotta give.
If I had a daughter who was pregnant at the young age of 17, I would have passed up the decision to be the VP nominee. Her daughter is five months along. Over the last four months she needs to be with Bristol and NOT on the campaign trail. It is certainly not healthy for Bristol or the new baby for Palin to drag them along.
I know what it feels like to sacrifice for my children. I have given up a lot – for the time being. I have always told myself (and my children) that having children is not an excuse for not being what you want to be in life – but it may take a little longer. Palin is young and she can still be VP or even President one day. Today her family needs her more.
I willingly have given the time to make sure my children have their mom at home. They will always be the priority in my life. Mrs. Palin needs to get her priorities in order. I admire her ambition to succeed but when you have children you have got to put them first. If you don’t then who will?
A final note. When Ashley Simpson got pregnant no one gave her a break. The media was relentless in hounding her and her family. Her pregnancy was highly publicized and her parents suffered greatly by having their private family issues become a media field day.
What is the difference in this case? The Simpson family deserved the same respect the media seems to be giving to the Palin family.
The vast majority of you people completely disgust me. Hypocrisy? Get over yourselves and your chosen parties! They’re both full of hypocrisy!
One clear example from each side:
Republicans: Fiscal responsibility, except when we control Congress and the Executive.
Democrats: We’re for women and minorities, except when they don’t agree with us on all our political positions.
Here’s a suggestion: Stop bleating about how the “other side” is so horrible and start worrying about how “your side” is looking bad as a result of all of your BS.
Sarah and Todd Palin’s enormous love and support for their daughter is to be commended. just think about what would happen to someone like Bristol in an islamic country….she would instantly be a victim of either an honor killing or be sentenced to death.
the fact that we see two loving parents strongly declaring their love and support for a daughter in crisis is a testament that we as a nation is not a nation intent of condemnation of an error in judgment but a nation that has strong family values.
to those on the left who are intent on pursuing this, one can argue that Obama should be more forthcoming on his relationships with Ayers, Wright, Rezko, and the corrupt Chicago political machine. while the mainstream media gave Obama a pass on the Ayers, Wright, and Rezko, they willfully and gleefully dwell on Bristol’s pregnancy.
if there’s any evidence about how much in the tank the media is with Obama, their coverage and supposed indignation of Bristol’s pregnancy is clear evidence of it.
I would like to see every Republican or conservative speaker out there to state, every time they get asked about Bristol’s pregnancy or the supposed lack of vetting for Sarah Palin, and say that “I will answer that question, but you will have to allow me to explain why your media outlet or network haven’t fully vetted Obama’s relationships with Ayers, Wright, and Rezko.”
It’s time for the conservative base, and the Republican party to raise indignation about mainstream media’s lack of reporting about Obama’s relationship with Ayers, Wright, and Rezko.
these are legitimate topics to pursue since it involves their candidate and not his children, yet the media pursues Sarah Palin’s daughter instead of her.
it’s time for Republicans to put the mainstream media to task and ask why they have thrown journalist ethics out the window and pursue a teenager’s pregnancy over legitimate questions about their candidate’s relationships with an unrepentant terrorist, a convicted felon that helped their candidate buy his house, and a racist preacher in whose church their candidates sat for 20 years without protesting racial propaganda that’s being spread in that church.
let’s see if Republicans will have the gumption to finally stand up to the mainstream media.
McCain/Palin ’08
these ridiculous undereducated trolls always swamp sites to annoy and stir up chaos. their job is to spread vicious, even pathological, rumors. despite their malicious intent, it only serves mccain-palin well and strengthens mccain’s presidency. so, thanks. it’s hilarious to read their take on religion and family, considering their messiah is chicago pol, barry. they worship this hack with a religious fervor that far exceeds the beliefs of evangelicals, and the christian conservatives. the disdain for their fellow americans can be mesured by how often they use white trash as an expletive. the only actual trash, is the rot that falls out of their mouths. and, what a stench. go back to hufpo. you’re stinking up the place.
I love this. The far left are as likely to take bait as a starving shark. Oh McCain vetted Palin. This is like a dream come true. I hope this goes on and on and on.
This takes dirty politics to a new level of hatred.What kind of depraved spirit lives in the souls of political beasts. These beasts that prey upon private families and the affairs of their innocent children. The hatred unleashed in this election year has certainly become a muck crueler hatred. Not the least concerned about the unfair pain and embarrassment released upon this young woman.
Oh what hypocrites this party that pawns itself off as caring and a champion for human rights is!
now that we know that the Palins have real life issues like other people, they are just regular people too. i have never had anyone in my family get pregnant while 17 and still in school…..no…. we are the perfect family. yeah right give me a break. i guess the Palins have to make room at the dinner table. true it would not be my first choice of things to happen, but its there deal with it. sometimes as a dad i would find out after the fact. wasn’t to happy, but can’t close the barn after the horse has run out.
as far as the canadians and the aussies are concerned, well partners you are just to far away to see the trees for the forest, what it looks like from afar and how it really is, is two different things.
a women can’t get a job because her family needs her more? sounds like double standard, a family also needs a father, but you don’t see me quitting because my family needs me. some get two jobs.
Please you leave us without moral and tools for educated our daughters and granddaughters about the school desertion and sexual education approving and “blessing” Bristol’s pregnancy.
Julie’s moralizing over the responsibilities and burdens of women almost made me gag. She cites the Clintons as models of propriety. Hillary was an enabler for Bill to commit serial adultery, fondle, seduce subordinates and arguably rape Juanita Broadrick. Hillary sicced goons on Bill’s accusers all for the sake of personal power. Liberalism is a mental disorder. Get some help Droolie.
Judy, I got a ton of bile stored up for 8 years. Do you mean uneducated, or did I not have enough? Wow, you’re good!
However, don’t presume you understand my psychology. There is no need to fill a void with Jesus, Obama, Paris Hilton, Regis, children, grandchildren or the Dali Lama – though I would like a nice Ducati. There is no greater meaning, or life, beyond your current conscious. Understanding that is freedom. My mother in-law has lived in fear of terrorism now for 7 years. An utter waste of time. Me, not one second of it. We may have asked why that happened… but we don’t do that do we. Their good we’re bad. Stike 1 for religion.
If obama has a cult following, at least it’s something more tangible than the whole bearded man in the sky nonsense that gets the bible thumpers organized. The same loving people that blame Katrina on gay pride parades.
Sara, the honey, has “energized the base”? Christ I heard that 40 times today. Yeah yeah, I believe it she got the town council some new staplers! She’s a reformer! Halleluaih! Let’s pray for reform! Preach abstinence to kids.
Did you know some promise keepers polled actually believe anal and oral sex “isn’t sex”. Promise keepers my ass (gosh!), religious people used to have arranged marriages at that age, should you just go back to that?
Was love a liberal concept?… Is love ruining the world??
Seems McCain has a taste for the hotties. Remember when he was in Sturges entering Cindy in a sexy biker contest? Meeooow!
My disdain for the evangelicals has to do with the crusades. It has to do with King Bush’s response to the “evil do’rs” over there, and then killing thousands in the name of God. Let’s go drop bombs for freedom. Iraqi civilians are less valuable than US citizens, iraqi “terrorists” are less valuable than a war room that drops a bomb on 32 civilians in a Afghanistan house. Keep waving the flag so you feel good. Do it in a group so you can assure each other that you’re ok. Pray for your ultimate guidance for your sins, all is forgiven in the end. If you take the lord into your heart and ask him to forgive, right before you die.. you’ll live forever next to the bearded man, in the billowy clouds. Drinking martinis and never gaining a pound.
Own up to the reality that you work, you pay taxes, you die. You may die sooner than you want, and so will all of us. You could accept that your property values may go down, and you may not get the shiny Hummer you always wanted. It’s pointless. If you accept that there is no point, you just live each day. What’s Obama going to do… raise your taxes a couple hundred bucks a year? Gosh!
Judy, you’re worse than trash. You enslave ignorant by getting them to vote against their self interest so you can use them for cannon fodder. You rationalize the slogans until it’s palatable, but it’s just lies when you break it down – and you know that, but just sip the coolade. Point the fingers at people who may actually be energized by hope, call them the flock. People that may need “hope”, cause we’ve been living in a military state for 7 years.
But really, it’s all about your “taxes” isn’t it? And fear of a minority living near you? That’s really it for the platform. Nothing else. Cut spending. Give me more money. It’s my money. Mine mine mine. I want to spend my money. Idiots on the left think there’s more to it, but the people of power on the right just worry about the tax breaks, and the poor on the right just hate the blacks.
Palin isn’t qualified to be the mayor of NY yet. However, if she says it’s ok for teens to fornicate (gosh!) – she may have a chance at getting elected there someday.
I’m betting on a Harriet Myers withdrawal forthcoming. She’s way over her head, and has yet another baby on the way to take care of.
Glad the base is energized, the rest of the people on the fence people are actually stunned at the stupidity of the choice. You’re preaching to the converted. Nice waste of time.
Duude, you’re beyond stupid. Go fishing and leave the typy typy thing on the computer for the adults. You don’t have to turn it on cause you bought it. Let it collect dust.
Please folks. Can we just stop villifying Democrats as if they were a monolithic group? How is that advancing political discourse in this country? Yeah, some awful things have been said, by some Democrats. Some equally awful things have been said on this thread by some of us Republicans et al. It’s really getting hard to stomach modern politics. So much hatred and vitriol and not enough serious thinking about serious issues. “uneducated trolls,” “i wonder if the Democrats hired rape squads…” “creatures” “certifiably insane” “roaches”??? What is wrong with us? We’ve got to stop pretending we are the unwitting victims of a ditch water culture, climb out of the slime, and prove to our children why the Founding Fathers had faith that their political legacy would prevail and not dissolve in a mire of petty vindictiveness, narrow mindedness, and narcissitic mud-slinging.
My, my. The cackling STILL han’t let up.
Maybe THIS will help clarify some things:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/sarah_palin_and_the_narcissist.html
I thought partial birth abortion was the only knowledge Democrats had for pre-natal care.
Telling women how to care for children and give birth at any age is not on the Donks calender.
Mother or father, there is NO HUMAN PARENT who is capable of fulfilling his/her family responsibilities while running for Vice President of the United States, and I cannot support someone who would make such a choice.
So..every choice for VP should be a childless person or you will not support them? Then surely you must feel the same way about running for president, right? Do you realize how absurd that is?
How is this mudslinging being laid at the Democrats’ and Obama’s door?
If you read the article, you’ll notice that I never personally use the word Democrat, nor do I blame Obama.
“How is this mudslinging being laid at the Democrats’ and Obama’s door?”
YOU may not, Michelle, but I’ve read enough of the smearing posts all ending in support of The Obamboozler. Then there are the smear websites traced back to places like DNC IP addresses.
And still the bleating : “WHO? Li’l ol’ ME?!”
Puh-LEASE.
Tom. I am looking at my computer and have seens dozens of fotos of Sarah Palin at “7 months” and she doesn’t look pregnant at all. She went into labor, was leaking fluid and decided to give her speech and travel 10 hours back to Alaska to deliver her special needs son? Does this even make sense? Why didn’t she check herself immediately into the local hospital where she was making her speech? None of her staff noticed she was even pregnant. I stick by what I have seen. Her daughter had the baby (while she was out of school for 4 months for “mono”,) called mom when she was in labor. Mom flew home. And announced the baby with Downs was hers. Come on. We’re not stupid. I don’t even care about the Palin family. I care that McCain was told by his political handlers what to do and did it without thinking. Just like Bush.
What I find as a huge problem with all of this is, no MAN is as scrutinized or attacked for “leaving” his family behind while trotting off to Washington to do a job in Congress.
I could not care less about this woman’s daughter being pregnant. This sort of thing needs to stop. The only way that will occur is if enough people shout to the rafters that they’ve had enough.
I have never been more appalled by the news media than I am today. They are intentionally and agressivily attacking a woman whose 17 year old daughter made a mistake and is doing the right. They have taken a very private family matter and used it to try to hurt this family for political reasons.
I would bet, there is not a person in this country who has not been touched by this very same issue in family. It is very ironic that the Democratic party who don’t want a teen’s parents to have the right to know that their own daughter is pregnant is so eager to tell the world about someone else’s daughters pregnancy.
To the people actually saying that she should step out of the race because she needs to take care of her Down’s baby 100% of the time… HELLOOOO? She has a HUSBAND. Why doesn’t he step out of his job to stay home??
I can’t believe I’m actually reading such open sexism in the 21st century.
And no, I don’t support the ticket. I could never vote for a “creationist”. But good lord, stop with insisting a WOMAN has to be primarily responsible for child-rearing and stuck at home 24/7.
One more thing. I’m baffled by people so upset that Palin believes in abstinence only.
Since when did it become the responsibility of a school system to teach YOUR CHILDREN about ethics, morals, and sexual behavior?
How about people start taking back responsibility for their OWN families.
We all view these issues through our own lenses. The truth is, there are smear campaigns on both sides…and the truth probably falls somewhere in the middle most of the time. The four candidates are fair game because they put themselves in the spotlight; however as Obama said this week/end, family is off limits. Wives/husbands, children, parents really should be left alone. The news media are reporting this story about Bristol, but for the most part it’s the blogosphere that are really slamming her. The Obama campaign isn’t touching the story.
I will say the one thing that bothers me a bit is that McCain really wanted select Lieberman, the rest of GOP wanted Romney, and Palin was someone whom they settled on. Why didn’t they just agree to go with someone they felt strongly about?? As a woman, I don’t care that she’s a woman, I’d prefer a VP pick that the GOP really believed in.
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Michele — Great post, but I believe you are mistaken about Sarah Barracuda’s stance on creationism, which has been wilfully misrepresented by persons on the left who would like to discredit her. As I blogged last week:
“My only worry about Governor Palin had been what I would call a hysterical misreading of her views regarding the teaching of creationism in public schools, but Charles Johnson has put my fears to rest . . .”
Johnson: “So I was disturbed to learn of Sarah Palin’s apparent support for creationism. However, as I posted in a comment earlier, she does not appear to be the fanatical type who wants to force or sneak the teaching of creationism into public school science classrooms.
“But this is going to be a point of attack for the left.”
To those who suggest that Sarah Palin should stay home with her new baby, normally I’d agree. However, she is running for VP. While VPs do more than they used to, there’s no reason she couldn’t be VP, remain governor of Alaska, and still have plenty of time to raise her children.
You know the old joke — there were two brothers. One went to sea. The other became vice president. Neither was ever heard from again
What’s rich about all these new-found “moral values Democrats” who didn’t exist until four days ago and then suddenly appeared on every website in the United States to proclaim that Sarah Palin will be the moral destruction of America is that the party of Bill Clinton and John Edwards, who the Democrats tried to put in the WH in 2004 and did put in the WH from 1992-2000, is now concerned for the “morals values” of America. LOL WUT
They don’t give a rat’s butt about the “moral values” of America. Democrats sneer at moral values, unless the “moral values” are Marxism, environmentalism, sexual promiscuity, ‘rebelling’ against ‘the system,’etc. Which, of course, aren’t moral values but rather political doctrines.
They’re just mad that the child wasn’t aborted. You know – nobody should be “punished with a child,” as Barack Obama once said.
It proves once again that the left is “do as I say not as I do.” The smear tactics used are reminiscent of the Nazis in WWII. The left, or socialists in this country, will stop at nothing to get thier way. Sarah Palin is a true American, and that’s what inflames the left.
I as a Former Combat ReCon Marine will ”PICK ” those I would most ‘TRUST ” Guarding my Back caught in a Viet Cong Ambush and I guarding their backs as well and this Nation .
There is no Question I would and will pick McCain and Palin .
No one can account for what their kids do other than help them do better .
Obama’s “‘WHITE GRANDPARENTS RAISED HIM NOT HIS MOM OR DAD .
Sarah Palins Daughter and her new husband will raise their own Baby or Babies .
I just love the way all of you CONSERVATIVES talk about the Left Wing Attack Machine….do I need to say more than Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, Glen Beck, Shnitt? Have you not listened to talk radio? If you want to discuss a well organized attack machine,turn on the radio and listen… Its funny how you now blame Obama and the left for the world talking about this young girl’s pregnancy…..if you want to blame anyone, send an email to Sarah (AKA Journalist Major) and McCain for exploiting this situation. McCain’s party admits they knew ahead of time of the pregnancy..you don’t think for one second they knew this would become a world wide topic? Shame on McCain and Palin for bringing this upon her young daughter. And your party claims to be the authority on family values…PULLEEEEEZEE… I’m sure she is going through enough issues being a pregnant teenager than to now have to deal with this. Talk about pandering and going to all lengths to win the election. Lets talk about the economy, Bush’s failed policies, the Iraq war debacle….not abortion like the McCain campaign would like to do so he can ignore all of those issues and run only on abortion….give me a break…I was born to a 17 yr old mother and my parents have been married for 44 years so obviously I have nothing againt a 17 yr old having a baby out of wedlick…I just have something against a mother and a potential presidential candidate bringing this upon a young teenage girl…..Ask yourself…what would you have decided? Would you have accepted the nomination knowing what they knew? Yes, the father can help with the children…I applaud that too, but to purposely bring your daughter into the limelight knowing that this would come out is completely and utterly irresponsible, no matter if it was a mother or a father running for VP. So for those who want to blame the Democrats for commenting on this story…take a good look in the mirror…put the blame at the source…Palin and McCain….where are all of your comments condemning the Rush’s of the world and their utterly hateful comments…the Ann Coulter’s and Laura Ingram’s of the work who are completely out of control….I’ll be glad to compare ATTACK MACHINES anytime….
So let me get this straight…to those people who claim that Sarah Palin was not vetted properly…are you saying that finding out about her teenage daughter’s pregnancy would have made McCain pass her up as a potential VP? Not sure how people connect these 2 dots!!!
After all, JFK’s father’s bootlegging didn’t dissuade people, neither did Billy Carter’s issues made Americans pass on Jimmy Carter (now, THAT is really too bad!), etc…
I think the fact that the left (and some right)is focusing on the Palin family shows that they are running very scared of a woman that embodies all the values that the left loathes.
Go Sarah!
I will now vote for McCain/Palin because of the smear merchants at DailyKos and CO.
They are lower than gutter snipe.
And to:
McCain didn’t vet her:
Abstinence only, forced birth, shotgun wedding, etc.
Unmarried teen pregnancy = Republican family values.
Unmarried teen pregnancy = Abortion = Democrat family values
I am a man. I tend to vote democratic.
These sexist attacks on Palin have driven me, a pro-choice, pro-evolution person, away from voting for the democrats at a national level. That change happened over the weekend simply because I happened to check the net for weather information and stumbled into the mess.
I don’t know what I will do with the local races; heaven help them if they attack Palin’s daughter.
And I am now considering donating to the (gack) republican party which helps all their congressional races.
I am spitting nails mad at Palin’s treatment by the left and the media. And feel frustrated that there is no real way to get that message accross to the democratic party.
Actually, food for thought.
Sarah Palin is the Commander-in-Chief of the Alaskan National Guard. And has the only permanent active duty National Gaurd Unit, a Missile Defense Battalion with the mission to protect America from N. Korean missiles.
She probably has a higher security clearance than Barack, especially considering his known associations disqualify him immediately. Yes, a Senator can not have clearance. And I know this from personal experience.
She has Foreign Policy experience. Russia and Canada are next door. Fishing disputes, oil disputes, good-will delegations.
Any Governor will tell you, that years in Governor positions is better than years in Legislative. Look at the great governors turned Presidents we had. Clinton, Reagan, Harry S. Truman, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln, among many others.
Just a quick note, the author needs to edit this part;
“one of those pictures was posted on Flickr, with the date stating the photo was taken in March 2005. Quick research shows that the camera used to take the photo did not even hit the market until fall of 2005.”
I think those dates should be “2008″ instead of 2005?
Also, regarding the brother in-law Wooten, what seems to be his more important crime is to have tasered his 10 year old nephew. Yes, a police officer tasered a 10 year old and member of his family no less. Wooten was suspended for 1 month instead. The investigatory team put together by the AK Congress because of this story has reported that Gov. Palin has been so forthcoming with requested materials in the investigation that no subpeonas were issued or necessary. Also, the position from which the person in question was fired was a hire by discretion of the Governor, so Palin could have fired them for any reason. There is also a time-line problem, Palin didn’t fire him until years after she (and Todd Palin as well, apparently) had requested he take action against Wooten and the 1 month suspension was handed down. If she had fired him for this reason alone, wouldn’t she have done it immediately instead of waiting years later?
The reason that Bristol Palin must be attacked is simple. She didn’t opt for an abortion! In the Church of the Left, this is anathema.
Palin was vetted just fine. Anyone who thinks this will hurt her with the conservative base is a liberal who believes in the cartoon version of conservatives that you’ve dreamed up to run against every four years. You guys are AWFULLY tone deaf when you pretend to be conservatives (there are a few of you on this thread, and you sore thumb like you wouldn’t believe).
The Repub base *loves* Palin. She just gave McCain a $10M weekend (a few of those bucks were mine).
One does not moderate the truth.
Oh. And I am a non-christian Republican. This has no bearing whatsoever. It proves only one thing: How much the Daily Kos and Obama Smear Machine is of Palin. Mostly because how they raped Hillary and don’t want the good women of the Democratic party get any idea about stepping out of line has angered a lot of Democratic Women and Hillary supporters.
Actually. I am convinced, the Daily Kos are going to throw Obama under the bus by leaking his smear machine’s associations with Daily Kos in a manner that doesn’t point at them.
Marxist revolutionaries are crafty.
1 out of 3 babies born in America today are out of wedlock. I can identify with the Palins because I am not rabid pro-choice at all.
As a Hillary supporter, this is a woman I can vote for.
I’m really astonished by the number of vicious people who seem to think they know everything about Bristol Palin. They seem to know, for a fact, that she’s being “forced” to have the baby, “forced” to marry, “forced” to do this that and the other… When it might be that she likes babies and loves her boyfriend. Or the ludicrous notions about Palin faking her fifth pregnancy to protect her daughter, and the daughter turning around and getting pregnant again almost immediately. Or the idea that after four children Palin doesn’t know how to handle… I’m going to stop right there. The whole conversation is offensive and should be offensive. A woman is running for VP and the main topic of interest is how her uterus or her daughter’s uterus has been functioning?
Frankly, it seems the longer these shenanigans go on, the more it looks like certain people – people that I would have thought were ideologically opposed to such retrograde sexism – are looking for any way possible to tag Sarah Palin is a dumb trollop who needs to get back in the kitchen. It’s really sad to me that among a loud portion of the left’s activists all the righteousness about empowering women was an incredibly shallow facade.
Congrats to the writer for having the courage to put into words what is so obvious to many in this country already. I just cant believe that you and other intelligent folks took so long to discover these facts about liberals. Still, after reading your article, I see complete ignorance posted in comments. Almost as though the commenter hadn’t read or comprehended what you so ably articulated. This shows me the absolute blind rage that drives the left. No real thought, just anger, driving their mass following of a candidate that has zero experience, says nothing of substance,is almost completely inarticulate away from a teleprompter and like Kos and HP will do and say damned near anything to get elected. Just ignore all facts they get in the way of the agenda.
Wow! This really boils down to two babies that would both be DEAD if it were up to Obama! And should either of them survive the abortion attempt, Obama would have let them die on the table. Really makes a Democrat proud!
FROM This&That: 5:56am
“I am a man. I tend to vote democratic.
These sexist attacks on Palin have driven me, a pro-choice, pro-evolution person, away from voting for the democrats at a national level. That change happened over the weekend simply because I happened to check the net for weather information and stumbled into the mess.
I don’t know what I will do with the local races; heaven help them if they attack Palin’s daughter.
And I am now considering donating to the (gack) republican party which helps all their congressional races.
I am spitting nails mad at Palin’s treatment by the left and the media. And feel frustrated that there is no real way to get that message accross to the democratic party.”
Dear T&T, WELCOME and THANK YOU for your kind, thoughtful words. I was in your shoes years ago (including the “gack” feeling – at first…ha!).
There’s a saying which may speak to you now moreso than before: “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. They left me.”
…just one note…
You wrote, “…heaven help them if they attack Palin’s daughter.”
I trust you’re now aware that “they” have…and with vigor and vitriol.
…and one last thought…
You also wrote, “And feel frustrated that there is no real way to get that message accross to the democratic party.”
THERE IS. VOTE McCAIN/PALIN “nationally”…”locally”…well, what gets rewarded tends to be repeated…and I for one have no intention of supporting those who support this – in my words – barbaric behavior.
The author is correct on this issue, but the left will refuse to listen. They will continue to attack Palin (sounding like hypocrites the entire time) and lose in November because of it. When the vast majority of voting Americans (who are center-right, in case you didn’t know) see this, they’ll get very ramped up, the right couldn’t ask for a better early-Christmas present than to see the left go full out on these personal issues. I know that the left is so tone deaf when it comes to logic that it doesn’t matter if I tell them they are standing in a minefield, they’ll still jump around in it.
Fact: McCain had to shore up his conservative (right) base, and Palin fills that need in spades. The reported $7M in funding over the weekend demonstrates just what an impact she has on the conservative base.
Fact: Palin will appeal to the vast majority of “fly over states” Americans because she has real issues that all of us deal with. The author hits a home-run on this issue, we that have kids know what time it is in this regard. Palin is increasing her appeal with every day, and the attacks on her family will galvanize a whole league of voters into making sure they have this family’s back.
Fact: The left only comes off looking like a hypocrite for the reasons mentioned in the article. Any attack on Palin for her parenting, status of her childrens’ legitimacy or her children will only make the left out to be completely transparent in their bias and hypocricy. The Democratic leader, Barack Obama, has a “Fight the Smears” campaign and has announced that Palin’s family are off-limits. The fact that the far left will ignore this will ensure that McCain/Palin win in November.
Fact: The far left cannot fathom the majority of voters in this country. No matter how excited they get, how ramped up, what stories they drum up and pursue, the left will cut their own throats. For the basic reason that they don’t comprehend the majority of voters, they will also not understand the reasons *why* they will lose.
Just keep it up, you’re doing the job for us.
And it also shows just how in love the Media is in love with Barack Obama. This is a scandal. But not Bristol’s pregnancy.
The scandal is the pornography of an empty suit politician from Corruptocrat Chicago and empty headed journalists that get a tingle in their leg over platitudes and more platitudes. And how much that goes to brainwash journalists.
Cult of Obama Personality. Any O supporter suffers from it. Wake up…
And of course the double standard. You got Republicans, supporting Women’s Rights? Wait, I thought we were all knuckle dragging bible thumping (sorry, I’d rather thump the Eddas) apes. Just goes to show you.
Everyone makes mistakes. None of us are perfect, and all of us — conservatives and liberals alike — have ghosts from our pasts and have some kind of dysfunctionality in our friends and relatives. That’s very normal and commonplace in American society. This was an excellent, objective article, and I applaud the author for her courage in writing this, especially since she doesn’t even support Palin.
Judy, NYC:
these ridiculous undereducated trolls always swamp sites to annoy and stir up chaos. their job is to spread vicious, even pathological, rumors. despite their malicious intent, it only serves mccain-palin well and strengthens mccain’s presidency. so, thanks. it’s hilarious to read their take on religion and family, considering their messiah is chicago pol, barry. they worship this hack with a religious fervor that far exceeds the beliefs of evangelicals, and the christian conservatives. the disdain for their fellow americans can be mesured by how often they use white trash as an expletive. the only actual trash, is the rot that falls out of their mouths. and, what a stench. go back to hufpo. you’re stinking up the place.
Your opinion is such commentating of TV personality S.Hannity. Because the media shows groups of avid supporters supporting Obama. That does not mean the 20 million who voted for him in primary are as animated.
The excitement is threatening to you. You call him the messiah not his supporters. Your cynicism is having the opposite effect.You are starting to believe he is the one.
Palin was married 20 years ago. Her eldest child is 18. I’m am neither a math wiz nor a biologist but I have serious doubts that hers was a shotgun wedding. I could be wrong of course.
[quote]Hey, we ain’t talking about running for the PTA. She is running to be Vice-President. This is 17 year old in need of her mother right now. She should withdraw and let McCain off the hook. BTW, I am for Barack.[/quote]
I am sure most Obama supporters wish she’d just go away.
I bet they wish Biden would go away too.
ha ha ha.
But no, the die has been cast.
Sarah’Cuda Rocks!
See Update below.
If its Sarah Palin, why is she distinctly not pregnant in a photograph which was apparently taken on Super Tuesday, which is in February, when, as Jazz Shaw points out, Palin would have been about six months along in her pregnancy?
Keep in mind, before we wind up the Friday night activities in Blogistan, that this is still only ten hours after the announcement of Sarah Palin as John McCains VP announcement caught so many of us flat-footed. In ten hours, though, the hits keep on coming. Lets take a quick look at a few more.
The first one, and possibly the most tawdry of the bunch, came via several e-mails which arrived after the announcement here at Jazz Headquarters. Check out this picture of Sarah Palin from Super Tuesday this year.
Its a nice shot, but according to at least once source it was taken on Super Tuesday. Thats in February. At that point, Palin should have been six months pregnant with her last child. It does make me wonder if the following will turn into a story.
the oldest girl is rumored to have actually been the one who had the last baby, the one with Downs Syndrome. She was taken out of school the last 4 or 5 months of her mothers pregnancy.
On March 5th, 2008 Alaskas Republican Governor, Sarah Palin, announced to the media that she was 7 months pregnant with her 5th child. She is currently 44.
Palins daughter Bristol is 16 and attends an Anchorage high school. Students who have attended class with her report that she has been out of school for months, claiming a prolonged case of mono.
Palin does not appear pregnant in any recent photographs. The announcement came as quite a shock to people who had worked closely with her, and have been quoted as saying that she did not appear pregnant whatsoever during the prior 7 months. While this is debatable, you can judge for yourself here: http://gov.state.ak.us/photos.php
(Ed Note: That link has since died since we first looked at it. The pictures were removed today.)
IF there is anything to this story, there are two issues as I see them. First, and most obvious, is the honesty issue. Why would Palin have lied about who the mother was? Which leads to the second issue: If Bristol Palin IS the mother, how does she feel about all this? If the story is true, and Sarah Palin lied to spare her daughter embarrassment or emotional pain, what does that say about how Bristol Palin felt about the pregnancy itself?
The fact that the photographs of Sarah Palin at a time when she would have appeared to be pregnant, if she really was, were taken down and the link killed, is a little odd if theres nothing to the story.
This theory would explain a bizzare episode in the Palin pregnancy: allegedly, her water broke in Texas and she flew to Alaska for the birth, without notifying the airline. http://startelegram.typepad.com/politex/2008/04/more-on-that-al.h
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This seemed really risky and unwise when I heard it last week. But if Bristol was at home and her water broke while mom was in TX, it makes sense in terms of maintaining a cover story.
Here we go what bullshit!! If your not voting for OBAMA there is but one reason!! Your a RACIST REDNECK!!!! Who in their right mind would vote for a 72 year old man that can’t remember what he said one hour ago (as proven by the ABC interview) and a soccer mom (her own words) to run the greatest country on the planet!!!! The rest of the world is laughing their asses off at the republican party and you want to join. WHY!! Because your hate for blacks is showing throw!! Don’t worry will give you a job in the big house!!!!
Obviously, this is the best the left they can find on Sarah “Barracuda” Palin so she must be pretty damn good.
What the wingnuts fail to grasp is that the Barracuda again claimed the news cycle for 2 days when both campaigns were in silence mode due to Gustov! What’s the line—- I don’t care what they say about me as long as they get my name right!
The press release on Bristol was pure class and succinctly scored many direct and indirect points without assaulting MSM, Barry’s KGB or Koss.
She got my vote, another hundred phone calls, and another hundred doors to be knocked.
What exactly is wrong with Sarah Palin having a daughter who is a pregnant teen..is it a CRIME?
She is brave enough to have the baby and not have an abortion she will regret all her life. She might get married and as long as she is of age, isn’t that her choice? If people want to be young parents, is that a CRIME???
We know teens will be teens. Her boyfriend’s My space page only shows a good kid using language not unknown in hockey rinks. He said he did not want children, accident? Who knows and is it our business? Compared to John Edward’s cheating on his wife who has cancer and having a baby with the mistress, wasn’t that a mistake? And he is an adult.
The fact is that BHO is running against Palin not McCain!! He cannot match McCain in anything, he is so inexperienced. He was condescending to Hillary and is plainly sexist for not giving her the VP spot especially as a review of the primary process shows that Hillary actually won! His mother had him at 18 and he was raised by grandparents…so what is all this invasion of privacy? The Dems are desperate because Palin is REAL with real problems and she appeals to common voters, and the Dems on the other hand, have once again elected to run an elitist who represents a ”historic” choice…they are appealing to elites and blacks…that is ridiculous.
Good luck to Bristol. It is so difficult how journalism works. How they “smear” with enjoyment over family dynamics. What a negative, unfullfilling, and “sneaky” job to hold. Life happens, most of us as Americans don’t practice abstinence until married, however, some of us end up getting pregnant. As a pregnant woman myself, just the hormone changes, body changes, mood changes and emotional rollercoasters is difficult enough without having the “public” judgement of you. Keep your chin up Bristol, you will be a wonderful mother. Just think, some woman can’t even have babies and this drama too shall pass, you will look back and have this wonderful creation and you will think “I can’t imagine my life without this little one.” Don’t let the public make you feel any less confident of your choice and yourself. Woman have been getting pregnant since the beginning of time before marriage and it will not end, and there is nothing to be ashamed of. You will be a wonderful mother. Stay close to your family and keep your head held high.
The left is simply showing their TRUE colors and hypocrisy (good for me, but not for thee).
They are terrified that the Republicans are going to be the FIRST in electing a woman as VP.
Four years as VP will give Sarah Palin unquestionable credentials in becoming the first woman President!
As I said, the liberals are terrified and desperate that the Republican base has been awakened and energized!! And, if the base are getting out their vote for Pres/VP, they will also be at the voting booths in their local elections, pulling the lever for Republicans.
Sweeeeeet!!
Palin didn’t have the judgement to put her daughter on the pill when she is having pre-marital sex.
Crazy. a) Palin is not anti-contraception. b) When y’all were 16, did you tell your mother every detail of your sexual activity? c) Isn’t that the argument that liberals use for allowing 12-year-olds to have abortions without parental consent–that they’re having sex all over the place without telling their parents? so d) how on Earth is Bristol’s baby her mother’s fault?
(Answer: It’s not, and none of you really believe it is, you just hate conservatives and/or strong women.)
I don’t know why so many people keep saying the democrats are saying this and that because I have not seen one ad or comment made by their campaign in regards to her daughter other than to leave her be. That families were NOT to be used in the fight for the president. I was undecided because I wasn’t 100% sure about Obama but after McCain picked her, because of her lack of experience and the fact that her experience is in governing such a small number of people for such a short time and lets face it, McCain’s health…well, I’m just not sure that she has the experience to run this country if something happened to McCain after the election. I will 99% be voting for Obama after this.
To The Aussie, Dumbfoundedyounutcases:
My husband is an Aussie ex-pat who is absolutely disgusted by the turn Australia has taken in the last 15 years. You have just proven that Australia has become the land of, “progressive”, metro-sexualized, tree-hugging, jump on the bandwagon hoax of man-made global warming, mamby-pambies. A long way from the days of the Great Aussie Battlers! You have no idea about what you speak, nor about the United States. You probably get your news from the Sydney Morning Herald and the rest of the left leaning media there. No balance is given anywhere so of course you think you know all about us, the great unwashed American masses who cling bitterly to our God and our guns. Your attitude is as elitist as they come and it makes other Aussie ex-pats ashamed of their countrymen. Mind your own business. Keep voting in your left-leaning members of Parliament and see how far Australia gets on the world stage. The rest of the world has NO SAY in who WE vote for here in America so get back in your box.
As far as Down syndrome goes. I AM BEGGING YOU, PLEASE STOP THE NONSENSE! This is ridiculous. A baby born now with Down syndrome has an enormously greater chance of becoming a valued and contributing member of society as an adult. Early Intervention has made fantastic strides in getting these little ones the stimulation and therapies they so badly need much sooner. Many of the adults you see now with Down syndrome did not have all of this when they were born. They were routinely institutionalized up until as recently as the 1980′s. Many were just given minimal education by their parents, who chose to raise them, because they didn’t think their children COULD learn. This is a myth that is still perpetrated by so many who are biased in the medical field today, especially OB/GYNs who have probably never met a living, breathing, PRODUCTIVE, adult with the condition. The outlook for a long and healthy life for these incredibly valuable members of the human race is better than ever. More and more are working or volunteering in their communities, marrying, going to college, and yes, even DRIVING CARS! The babies, unless they have medical issues, are NORMAL babies! They only develop delays because of serious medical conditions or issues like low muscle tone, which makes it significantly more difficult for them to reach gross-motor milestones on time. Down syndrome is a metabolic disorder that can lead to mild to moderate mental retardation because of the effects of the third copy of chromosome 21 on the brain; very similar to what Alzheimer’s patients experience, but much earlier and much less devastating. Science is making huge breakthroughs in the study of treatments for Down syndrome. A stay-at-home dad is a fantastic thing for little Trig, but many do not even have that luxury.
And the idea that because a woman is older, she is more likely to give birth to a baby with Down syndrome is now becoming less likely. I know of MANY 19 and 20 year olds who have had babies with Down syndrome. I was 34 when my son was born. The percentage is higher for older women because fewer women over 35 are having babies. More and more women of every age are getting pre-natal diagnoses and aborting them. The statistic is 90%. Staggering.
A brand new study just out says that men over 55 are more likely to father children with bi-polar disorder because of mutated sperm. Yeah. Okay. Tell that to someone who has the disorder and see what they say.
Ooooh, big controversy George!
a. First and foremost, what business is it of ours’?
b. Palin is a marathon runner, and has always been slim. Not every woman “pregnant” at 6 months.
c. Down Syndrome in women over 40 vs. less than 18, do a little research there.
d. Wow, if Sarah took claim of her daughter’s child, because of its condition and her age and then didn’t deem to let the world know (even lied about it)…GASP! What a horrific lie! Wowzers, we’re all just crazy now /sarc. Could people please grow up? Are any of you even parents?!? Why don’t you grill Jack Nicholoson’s sister/mother about why his family handled his parentage/birth? Why? Because its none of your GD business! You are so motivating the right to just burn the left to the ground on this…
e. You’re not Palin’s doctor. She consulted her doctor, and the flight was OK’d. For a woman that has had 4 other children and her doctor, I think they know better than some half-wit on the internet that isn’t even an Ob/Gyn. The beautiful baby was born healthy and happy, so whatever you might think about her and her doctor’s judgment, you’ve been proven wrong.
f. The McCain/Palin camp is claiming that Bristol is 5 months pregnant *now*. If Trig is 4 months old, I guess that ruins that little “investigation”. Unless of course you will contend that Bristol is going to mysteriously miscarry?
Is there a single liberal that understands that Roe vs. Wade hinges upon the 14th Amendment and privacy on these issues? Go ahead, start questioning the who’s, why’s and what’s about Sarah Palin’s child, the decisions she made, and Bristol’s pregnancy…you’ll shoot yourselves in the face to spite your foot. Once you break down the right to privacy, you’ll ruin any possible case you had with abortion and a right to choose. Make our decade, bring down Roe vs. Wade on your own…we’ll just sit back and watch.
jimmy,
I’m not voting for Obama. Hence, I’m a redneck racist.
However, I would vote for Michael Steele or Condi Rice.
You see, it isn’t about race, its about policies and values. I care about what the candidate will do and how they will do it. You can cry racist all you want, but that just demonstrates how little your brain really is. You cannot possibly fathom how someone *cannot* adore your candidate, whatever their race, sex, or faith. I wouldn’t vote for John Kerry, is that because I hated vets? I wouldn’t vote for Al Gore, is that because I hated Global warming alarmists? I wouldn’t vote for Jimmy Carter nor Bill Clinton, is that because I was a yankee that hated rednecks from Georgia and Arkansas?
Basically, the moment you pull the race card, you’ve lost your argument because you have nothing else to argue with.
Oh, and by your reasoning, the only reason you won’t vote for McCain/Palin is because you’re a sexist pig that hates vets.
“Im noticing a trend. Repulicans love to make note of the democrats view on Obama’s lack of experiance when compared to McCain. When its pointed out that Palin is even less experianced, they point back to Obama’s percieved lack of experiance”
Perceived lack of experience? Palin is a more experienced in running a government than Obama. Nothing perceived about it.
While some find it objectionable I’ll bet those critical of the unwed mother have had one somewhere in the family.
As for creation, the universe can be traced back to two finite specks in an infinite void. Until it is proved where they came from I’ll belive in God.
My husband and I have been waiting many years for a candidate like Sarah Palin; an unfettered representative of the people; a person not afraid to take on liars and cheats, especially those in her own party; a mother with the guts to stand up to big oil, while at the same time pursuing a prescient energy policy that will deliver much needed natural gas to the lower 48. She may have some character flaws but we ain’t seen ‘em yet. By the way, we have been watching Sarah Palin’s good work for over a year now.
I’m so very proud of you all! Not in my wildest imagination did I ever believe I would see the day where a bunch of republicans would defend, and be sympathetic to a teenage unwed girl.
AMAZING!
Is it because she’s white? because her mother is republican and anti-abortion?
Is it because you assume her mother can financially support her and her unborn child?
Where is the outrage, the judgement, the insults, the generalizations?
I too was became a teenage mom 14 years ago, I’ve never been on welfare. This is the first time i didnt leave a blog or discussion on the subject not feeling ashamed.
We have a woman here who is potentially in line for the PRESIDENCY. Given McCain’s age, I think it’s a legitimate request that we know all we can about Palin and her policies (or lack thereof). In just under two days she’s become embroiled in two debates–both of which deserve some scrutiny as they relate to her POLICIES. The biggest question in my mind, however, is this–as the mother of a 4 month old T21 child, WHERE will she find the time to take care of him, attend to Bristol’s needs AND meet the needs of the position of VP? Someone, somewhere will suffer. I would hate to think any woman would put the needs of her JOB before the needs of her children…on the other hand, I would hate to think that the Vice President of the United States would put anything before his/her duty to the American people. Time to find another candidate.
I think if the Democrats were half smart they would change the subject to McCain. But they aren’t near that smart. The Democrats have turned the campaign into a forum on family values. The problem is that they hold a simplistic view that Republican family values = pregnant 17 year old. However, the vast majority of people understand that family values in this situation is about how the pregnancy is handled by the mother, father and their families. And there, the Palins and so the Republicans, win hands down. The net roots segment of the Democratic party are being successful only in making the entire party appear shallow and viscously inhuman.
All Rep’s do not get there dues. Gen Powell, Rice, Thomas & women are all called names because of there beliefs.
The Demo’s praise you as long as you don’t leave the Demo Plantation.
The women’s movement will be silent as they were during the 1990′s.
The very ideas they hold dear only apply to members of the party.
Just wanted to say:
WHAT A WASTE OF TIME!
Same old ignorant issues the republicans vote on every election while the world goes to hell. Since the Bush crowd loses on every other issue of real importance, lets get back to who has more family values, republicans or democrats. Give me a break! Is there any inteligent life left in this country?………
TO: Haun, et al.
RE: Indeed
That is the truth. As Christ taught us to love, the people who hate Christians and Christianity only seem to know how to hate.
You can witness the truth of it by just reading the message traffic here. The haters hate anything that disagrees with their conception of reality. They even hate love.
And therein lies the proverbial difference between the two camps.
What’s ‘funny’, as in ‘heh’ as opposed to ‘ha ha’, is that these people of hatred here are behaving EXACTLY the same way they [wrongly] accuse Christians of behaving.
Even ‘funnier’, as the hypocrites of old, they turn a blind eye to the same behavior in members of their own camp.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Where there is no religion, hypocrisy becomes good taste.]
Arielyn,
Todd (Sarah’s husband) is going to be the primary care giver now. Or, isn’t that acceptable?
Here is a little tidbit from the Washington Post;
“In Michigan yesterday, Sen. Barack Obama told reporters: “How a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics.”
Palin has carefully portrayed herself throughout her career as someone committed to both family and profession — and tough enough to handle both. She made a show of dismissing the chef at the governor’s mansion saying she wanted to do her own cooking, and that the kids were old enough to make their own sandwiches. And no one can recall her ever having a full-time babysitter.
“You walk into her office and Piper is sitting there, the baby is in the crib — that’s just the way it is. This is how she lives her life. Someone who was in a meeting with her recently said she was discreetly nursing Trig,” said Palin’s biographer Kaylene Johnson.
From interviews with those closest to Palin emerges a description of a hectic lifestyle, but one in which the hominess and rural community of Alaska have enabled her to have her kids around her while she works and have offered a deep bench of family and friends for child-care support. She has shown up to meetings and news conferences carrying Trig in a baby pouch.”
Looks like we need to leave it to the Palin family to care for their child and we need to keep our noses out of it. Nobody told John F. Kennedy that his young children would suffer because he was going to become PotUS…are people so sexist now?
Mike,
Did you want to know the issue the Republicans wanted to address? After all, this moral issues mess was started and given life by the left, not the right. So, put the blame where it belongs, squarely on the far left who wanted to dive head first into this cesspool.
Iraq, the economy, gas prices/energy dependence, and illegal immigration were tops of the charts for me if we’re going to discuss actual topics of importance. Remember, the right didn’t open this subject matter, it was the left that wanted to start the smearing.
Once again, it bares repeating that the Obama/Biden campaign wants a hands-off approach to the candidates’ families, and has a “Fight the Smears” campaign going. So, lets’ get back to the topics that matter, shan’t we?
TO: mom at 17
RE: Where IS All This Stuff?
Maybe you had better read up on Christianity before you start projecting your own proclivities upon us. That way you won’t look so much a fool.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Know your enemy and know yourself and you shall never be defeated. -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War]
P.S. The reference book on Christian ‘Rules of Engagement’ is readily available at any Christian book store.
P.P.S. If you would like additional assistance, feel free to contact me by clicking on my name above this comment.
This is a very fine article that accurately portrays what the left is doing to Sarah Palin. It’s absolutely disgusting, and it’s coming fromt the very people who claim to be the champions of women’s rights.
Hey Fido, you spelled Snarly wrong in your screen name. The only cause I can see for the level of your hatred for Palin is you’re so plug ugly you couldn’t get the world’s ugliest dog to use you for a fire hydrant if you tied a pork chop around your neck.
What’s my evidence for this assumption? The use of the word “womyn” is strictly the province of fat dykes with unshaven legs who type up moronic riot-grrrrrrrl screeds that are unreadable.
Palin and her family are like normal Americans. You and your girlfriend Bruno are subhuman trolls that make people giggle when they see you on the street. G-rrrrr indeed.
Is John Edwards the father?
Otherwise, I really don’t care.
Chuck,
My expectations are what they are for a reason.
Go back and read some of the blogs and responses after Jamie Lynn announced her pregnancy.
You and I may agree on this subject..
Isn’t it these same misogynistic morons that are outraged that Hillary Clinton – whose 16-year vetting has found her to be the most corrupt and hated female in the country – wasn’t chosen for VP! Sarah Palin has a new baby and becoming a grandmother, but for that SHE should be disqualified.
To try and paint Sarah Palin as an unfit mother will backfire spectacularly! After all, it not like she raised their children in an anti-American, racist church or surrounded them with terrorists. Now that would be child abuse, punishable by the worst kind of social sanction, and certainly would disqualify one from the privilege of holding public office. But, that scenario is just too crazy. No one would be stupid enough to vote for a parent like that.
Moreover, there wouldn’t be a Democrat in Congress if it weren’t for teen pregnancy – 70% of the Black vote – including Barack Obama. Here is a man and a woman doing the right thing – marriage – instead of killing the baby or the father abandoning them, which is the usual Democrat response. Yet in some paranoid caricature of Christians they are aghast that she isn’t burned at the stake.
John Edwards is right, there are 2 Americas. The “America sucks, holier-than-thou” one that Dhimmis live in, and the there’s the other – Reality. The leftists have one defining characteristic: the absolute inability to recognize irony and hypocrisy in themselves, yet have the delusional talent of finding it where none exists. As evidence I put forth the “not qualified” meme. Compared to Obama, Sarah Palin is freakin’ Margaret Thatcher.
I am very troubled by the latest developments related especially with Paulin’s teen pregnancy. Despite the fact that no one in the campaign acknowledges it publicly, this is a very sticky issue for many conservative and independents.
I am even more troubled by the positions this religious leaders have taken than Paulin’s teen pregnancy itself!
They would only tarnish the maverick and independent stature for McCain by shilling too hard for Paulin’s poor parenting record.
Paulin and these evangelicals are supposed to represent the new moral values for this country and the young generation. Instead the republican change theme becomes more like an abdication from the values that guided this party for decades.
Just remember the Lynn Spears teen pregnancy outrage or how babies were removed from teen FLDS members just some months ago.
Everyone was up in arms condemning those immoral acts, but today suddenly is not just OK, but also encouraged by the very same fanatical clergy.
I am puzzled by the judgment and values of this kind of leaders and I definitely don’t want them as spiritual mentors or examples for my daughter.
As for Obama he is a loser if he is not hitting her for being a lame parent.
TO: mom at 17
RE: Your Reasons
Be that as it may, you’re not communicating them effectively.
Not too familiar with the case of Jamie Lynn Spears, except that she’s another young woman who let her hormones overcome her better judgment. Does that mean Christians hate her? Hardly. Certainly not REAL Christians. She’s succeeded in making her life very difficult. We feel sorry for her, as we do for any young woman who finds herself in this predicament.
The problem is epidemic. And I attribute it to the demolition of the family by the modern immorality. But that’s another topic for another thread.
On THIS thread, the topic is does this situation disqualify Governor Sarah Palin to be the Vice President nominee for the Republican Party?
I’d say, based on her stance, which is in keeping with her moral code….
….No!
She’s not being the hypocrite these cretins hypocrites of the ‘Progressive’ persuasion want her to be.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Republicans-The VALUES issue is your platform. You can’t be pissed when people hold you to it. We could care less about the baby,it happens, but if this were Obama,Biden,Clinton there would be a war room on Fox News about the Obama values.It would be a book coming out next week about the Dems values and how it’s screwed up. Let’s face it, Romney or Liberman should have been your pick.From what I understand, the “good old boys” didn’t agree and he had to make a hasty choice. You can stay pissed at the Dems all you want but I remember a President who said we had WMD’s and you all were ok with that as well. I would think you should start thinking better than your last choice. With Clinton we had a surplus! So, your party platform has to change it’s the 21′st century.You all talk all this family values and it blows up! I feel sorry for the girl because this is private.However,McShame and Obama have had 13-16 month of being blasted by the media,this is politics.What are you going to do when she meets Biden in ST. Louis?Is she going to start crying? You blasted Hillary.So, she better hold up or risk looking like a Miss America contestant on a bad day.
I agree with Sen. Obama that family matters are private and should not be fodder for the media. My own daughter got pregnant in college, had the baby, and married the father.
But, I do think it’s fair to question Gov. Palin’s priorities. Why would any mother who cares more about her daughter than being in the political spotlight, accept a position that will put her and her family under the microscope.
This exhibits questionable judgement on Gov. Palin’s part. Her daughter will be talked about and criticized and held up to public scrutiny. Who would want to expose their daughter to the world to be a media target?
Someone who will do anything, sacrifice anything to get more power. There are so many reasons why Palin is not a good choice but for me her actions as a mother trump them all.
TO: independent
RE: These ‘Religious’ Leaders
Which religious leaders are you referring to here? DMM25? Puzzled?
Name them so I can grasp to whom you refer.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
IS this what it boils down to? A teenager’s mistake and now she’s pregnant… so what there’s a thing called “LIFE” Get over it, this life we have isn’t utopia nor the politicians. This simply reminds us that even politicians are humans too!
What does this have to do with Politics? Seriously? How does this have any effect of a American mother doing her job?
NOTHING! For once at least leave it be and listen to that pet of yous, you media folks painted with glee; Obama himself said family matters are off limits.
As for the Media folks, get started your next ugly article so that we can gripe some more!
IMBECILE
Democrats are hypocrites…
Where are the stories about Obama’s drug parties when he was 17?
Where are the stories about Obama’s sleazy business deals and partners, or questionable lobbyist earmarks?
Where are the stories about Biden’s plagiarism?
Where are the stories about Sen. Edward’s love child?
Where were the stories about Chappaquiddick when their icon, Sen. Kennedy, should have been charged with man slaughter?
NOWHERE!
LIBERAL DOUBLE STANDARDS!
I’ve never seen so much garbage in my life. The kid made a mistake, the family supports her, she loves the childs father, they plan to marry, Palin has more govenment management experience than Obama, Obama by his own words would have had this daughters child exterminated, I can’t believe the hate people have, It only drives further away from a party that once was grand, choices are made at the time of conception, no do overs or I changed my mind,
Sarah Palin is an unfit Mother! To value family means putting their needs first. Is she putting the needs of her 4-month-old baby first? Is she putting the needs of the country first? Is she putting the needs of her 17-year-old daughter first? Sarah Palin is not fit to be the VP, I don’t care what her gender is. By selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate, JOHN MCCAIN has given credence to every opponent of Affirmative Action! America should not be expected to participate in their demise because a hand full of Hillary supporters and Evangelical morons are willing to destroy this country.
TWO “NOW, WAIT JUST A MINUTE THERE!” THOUGHTS
Blast 10:09: “Republicans-The VALUES issue is your platform. You can’t be pissed when people hold you to it. We could care less about the baby,it happens…”.
OKAY…let me take you at your word (heh…): So, the DEMOCRATS HAVE NO and are PROUD NOT TO HAVE ANY values. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, bub. THANKS for being so honest, unllike most of your political “colleagues”.
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Victoria Brown 10:15: “But, I do think it’s fair to question Gov. Palin’s priorities. Why would any mother who cares more about her daughter than being in the political spotlight, accept a position that will put her and her family under the microscope. This exhibits questionable judgement on Gov. Palin’s part.”
Ms. Brown, I am sure you are aware that, with these same words, you are proudly claiming ground in the camp of “women with children belong barefoot and in the kitchen…until the next one comes along”. RE-READ YOUR OWN WORDS and rejoice in your PSEUDO-ULTRA-PALEO position. NOW…either you ARE such, or merely a one-dimensional Leftist trying her best as POSING as one (IMHO more likely).
Sonja 11:10am – Your sanctimony is dripping with the pseudo-sentiment of “caring” which Leftists PRETEND to have. IN YOUR CASE IT IS NOT EVEN TRANSPARENT. YOU seem to want barefoot and pregnant ONLY for WOMEN with children…better said, women SHOULD NOT BEAR CHILDREN…(“Sarah Palin is an unfit Mother! To value family means putting their needs first. Is she putting the needs of her 4-month-old baby first?2) societal suicide!
But, THANKS, for at least PRETENDING to “care”; thanks for coming on to our show and good luck with your next sanctimonius tirade….
TO: All
RE: How Much Ya Wanna Bet….
…that Sonja considers herself a ‘feminist’? And of the ‘progressive’ persuasion, at that?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Progressive is a one-word oxymoron.]
TO: All
RE: Additional Insight on ‘Sonja’
I’m an ‘evangelical’ myself. And of the more ‘fundamentalist’ persuasion, i.e., I believe every Word in that Old Book. But I admit that I don’t quite understand it all as well as I should; hence I study it every night and meditate on it as the occasion arises….such as here and now.
However, I will challenge Sonja to a comparison of IQs. And let us all see who comes closer to being a ‘moron’; she or me. [Note: Click on may name (above this comment), babe.]
And with regards to being an ‘evangelical moron’ equates to being “willing to destroy this country”, I spent 27 years in the infantry, prepared to do ‘everything’ I needed to to defend this country.
I seriously think Sonja has tipped the Progressives’ proverbial ‘hand’ about what Progressives REALLY intend for this country…..i.e., destroy it.
It’s called, in psychological terms, Projection.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[In politics, 'Progressive' doesn't mean what you think it means.]
Republicans are scandalist!!! We are forgetting that she is a minor (17 years old)and have slept with an older man. The law doesn’t apply to aids, senators, congressman, etc. Is it O.K. for an older man of politics to sleep and inpregnant a minor but it isn’t O.K. for a 19, 20, or 21 year old american citizen to do the same. Is america operating under two different laws? Republicans and some americans crucify Obama for the comments of his former Pastor Jeremiah Wright. Republicans and some americans crucify Former President Bill Clinton for having an affair with an older woman and said he was unfit for running this country. Because the VP is a woman you want to overlook her family problems. We are so bias and say we are of equality. We, women, want the same treatment as men but want less punishment and ridicule for our mistakes. We want to be consider a different class when we are caught in our own mess. Did McCain choose this woman because of this issue or he chose her because she is really qualified for the job. I know for whatever reason he chose her his tactic is backfiring right in his face.
It’s interesting that some say Obama has character because he said that Gov. Palin’s private life should not be included in the debate. As in many other cases, like John McCains status as a war hero, he makes nice statements, but then has his attack dogs at the huffpost, daily kos, and moveon do his dirty work for him. His left-wing mentors taught him well.
You people are sick. Leave the girl alone. Those saying it’s hypocritical of her to stand by her child because she is pregnant, have no idea what conservatives stand for. You are saying that if she had taught her daughter safe sex none of this would have happened. How do you know that? I personally believe in teaching both. Who are you to say she was not taught both? Just because politically her mother wants abstinence taught in schools does not mean she doesn’t want safe sex taught as well. I’ve read nothing to the contrary. Further more, how do you know that this girl did not practice safe sex? I know plenty of people with condom and birth control babies. For you idiots out there that means that babies conceived when the condoms and or birth control failed. News flash guys, it happens all the time. For the record Conservatives believe in taking responsibility for you actions unlike Liberals who want to play the victim and blame everyone else.
Tomeka Ehigiator 11:55am: “Republicans are scandalist!!! We are forgetting that she is a minor (17 years old)and have slept with an older man.”
HAHAHAHahahahaha (rinse, then repeat)!!!
You’re shocked, SHOCKED!!! Just like Louis Renault in the film, “Casablanca.” YOU FRAUD.
Oh, great Leftist, aren’t you from the same cut of cloth that sides with/defends cultures which promote (40-50+ year old) male with (8-10 year old) female marriages (NOTE: “consummation” – heh heh – of said marriage CERTAINLY NOT before 10 or 12, of course…).
Family values…I guess it depends on which families you hang with….yeah baby*!!!
* (insert Austin Powers voice here)
TO: All
RE: I Wonder….
…if Tomeka Ehigiator wants to see the girl stoned.
Does he come from Iran?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Who on the left is smearing this poor girl? Who?
Certainly not Obama.
I don’t agree with this choice for vp. Not withstanding, why would this mother allow her child to be put through this? The entire world is talking about this girl. Why didn’t the governor say “we have some things to take care of at home” and spare her daughter?
This I don’t get.
Blast ,I wouldn’t be too concerned about Palin crying in the debate. If I was you I’d worry about Biden acting like the self important blowhard he is when matched up against an authentic person.
Tomeka, tell me you’re not a college graduate.
Tomeka,
“Republicans and some americans crucify Obama for the comments of his former Pastor Jeremiah Wright”
No, they condemn Obama for being a member of Wright’s church and having him as a spiritual advisor for 20 years. Then, we are supposed to believe that he never heard his tirades against the USA and white people. We condemn David Duke, shouldn’t we condemn all racists?
“Republicans and some americans crucify Former President Bill Clinton for having an affair with an older woman and said he was unfit for running this country.”
Yes, for besmirching the office of the PotUS. But, the real problem lays with his lying under oath to a grand jury, which is called perjury. Subsequently, Mr. Clinton was disbarred and impeached. Yes, there is a problem with a sitting PotUS that commits perjury.
So, now what was the reasoning why you think Bristol Palin should be taken to task?
BTW, I’m sure Tomeka meant a “younger” woman.
Oh, Mayr 12:37pm,
Yawn. Obama is sooooooooo innocent because he didn’t say all of the stuff THOUSANDS OF O’BOT LEMMINGS ARE TOLD TO DO (see his website, example: call-in blockade to the Chicago radio call-in program with Kurtz)…but not The Obamboozler himself…that makes him SOOOOOOOOOO pure…YA…UH HUH.
Your thiking is either profoundly thin or – more likely – extremely cynical and socialist-bent.
With emphasis on BENT.
Well, the leftist meme is clear.
Women cannot be trusted to do an important job, and a woman with a child should not work at all.
If a woman has the “wrong” ideas, she really isn’t a woman; because all women ought to think/act/behave in exactly the same way. To do so requires everyone to condemn that woman.
If a child makes a mistake, then clearly the mother is solely responsible for that mistake, and should be blamed for it.
Good to know. I didn’t realize that we’d rolled the clock back a century… so, should women still get to vote? I’m just wondering where the sexism ends.
But please, make these demands of women; to get back in the kitchen and out of the workforce, and to only have “approved” ideas; as public as possible. I’m sure you’ll win in a landslide with these policies.
TO: Mary
RE: Who?
Some could be. Most are smearing her mother. Although they seem to ignoring former Senator Edwards’ mother. Let alone his wife, for some strange reason.
RE: Obama
Obama is probably smarter than your regular Progressive. Or at least he has handlers who have a good hold of the leash on his choke-chain collar.
RE: Palin for Vice-President
Oh. So….you agree with the idea that women should be (1) at home, (2) barefoot, (3) pregnant and (4) silent.
And tell us, dearie, what do you do on a daily basis?
RE: Not Quite ‘Getting It’
Why am I not surprised?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. We’re talking SERIOUS ‘unintended consequences’ when the maniacal feminists got into politics. They turn a blind eye to [if not applaud] Mr. Bill getting blow-jobs from Monica in an on-the-job work environment at tax-payers expense and rip into Governor Palin.
Typical hypocrites…..
michele:
I see. Instead of the announcement of Bristol’s pregnancy stopping the attacks, it’s only going to prolong them. I think even if they came out with medical records and live video of Trig’s birth, some people would choose not to believe the evidence.
Do you realize the amount of medical personnel that would have to be in on this conspiracy as well?
Sep 1, 2008 – 5:06 pm
Hence why conspiracies are near impossible to destroy. No matter the logic, no matter the truth, conspiracies won’t die for the simple reason, some believe it totally possible that large numbers of people can be in on it, or silenced. Sad.
Tomeka Ehigiator, put down the pipe. First off, in most states 17 is the age of consent. It is in Alaska. In some states the law states that when involving minors, there can be no more than 2-3 years difference, after which statutory rape enters. She is 17, the baby’s father is 18. She is a minor yes, by law. But law also will allow a 17 year old to be recognized as an adult. Also, revisit what has been said about age of consent law regarding Alaska. These laws are thankfully decided by each individual state, thank God for the 10th Amendment.
is levy johnson,bristol palin’s boyfriend Black????
CHRIS you wrote:
“I am and Obama supporter… Last thing we need in the white house is people who don’t fully grasp critical domestic, global, and foreign problems we face.”
And you believe Obama fully grasp critical….anything, give me a break, man!
Stop drinking the Kool Aid immediately, you have a post craneal encefalo mielitis congenita and you could be at risk of disseminating stupid utterances to the rest of your family and friends.
I really feel sorry for you, you are in grave danger of commiting an stupid thing, please don’t do it until you receive complete information on your candidate. You should contact the nearest Republican office and ask for a complete brainwash and introduction into reality. I hope you have a good choice Nov.4
Dr.G
P.S. 4 ur inf. Global and foreign are the same.
From Elizabeth –
“According to her when and from what source? Currently, I think he’s a full time dad. He left his job a while back to avoid conflict of interest with his wife’s job, I believe.”
According to Sarah Palin during the speech she gave on Friday right after the announcement. And on her webpage on the National Governors Association website.
He left his management job at BP to avoid a conflict of interest when his wife was elected Governor, then returned to BP to take an operator’s position in the oil fields.
Fortunately for the Democrats they have no morals and therefore could never be accused of hypocrisy.
Pointing fingers against the other party is not really the issue here. Sarah Palin as a leader and a mother and whether or not she is fit to be our next Vice President is what we need to talk about. My blog is about the transition choices we as a nation are facing. http://www.transitionchoices.com/cgi-bin/ViewBlogEntry.pl?id=13
Hello Michele. I haven’t been in the fray for a long time now due to extended poverty and illness, but having come back, it’s good to read you again. Makes me feel like old times.
I personally have nothing but good wishes for the engaged couple and the grandparents. In seven cases out of ten, Mother Nature will have her way in the matter of teen sex, for all anybody’s “family values” try to stop it. As far as I can see the only really interesting question is whether or not Bristol was ever taught anything about sex but abstinence.
I wouldn’t dream of asking it to Bristol’s mother, of course. That would be impolite. But were the answer “no”, then I would remark that such child rearing practices are the Christian Conservative equivalent of Russian Roulette. It would leave me in no doubt about the sincerity of Sarah Palin’s values, but it would undermine my trust in her good judgment.
After all, as you yourself said a couple of articles back: “The immature decision making, the naiveté, the skewed morality and lack of reality-based thinking has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is home.”
Now that I know your writing here, it will be a pleasure to stop by occasionally.
Best Wishes!
“And now we know that one of the not-so-young children is and has been in need of some extensive, constructive parental involvement and supervision.” – By the time a child reaches 17 years old, the extensive, constructive parental involvement and supervision has either taken root or NOT. But I am sure a judgemental person like yourself can tell when a child has had this involvement/supervision adequately or more is needed? How do you people get into the thought processes and underlying feelings of so many people? Are you psychic?
“What sort of family values would cause a parent–mother or father–to thrust a 17-year-old and her boyfriend into the national spotlight at a time like this? A pretty weak sort, that’s what.”- Or the ‘sort’ that has been dragged through the mud by sleazy Enquirer-reading Dumbocrat-types, who FORCED the parents to bring into the open something they would have PREFERED to keep personal! I think that telling the truth is a GREAT FAMILY VALUE!
“Mother or father, there is NO HUMAN PARENT who is capable of fulfilling his/her family responsibilities while running for Vice President of the United States, and I cannot support someone who would make such a choice.” Well, then, perhaps you could support a NON-HUMAN PARENT for the job? How about Joe Biden? Look lady, you are entitled to your opinion, but women like you drive other women CRAZY when you INSIST that someone cannot take care of their family AND have a demanding career! Have you ever heard of a ‘nanny’; there are children raised by nannies/in childcare who do just fine in life! She has a husband too…he can certainly pitch in in raising the children!!
Not every woman CAN stay at home to raise children, and it does NOT mean they aren’t good mothers! You must be elderly…this is such an antiquated idea!
McCain unfit:
“Not only is Sarah Palin unqualified to be VP, but McCain has proven yet again that he does not have the judgement, temperament, and perspective to be President and Commander in Chief. I am sick of incompetent administrations and what they have done to the U.S. “Country First: vote Obama”
I just don’t get how anyone sees Obama as qualified to be Commander in Chief! What EXACTLY has he done in those 3 years as a Senator? Give me ONE bill that has his name one it!! – His judgement is sorely lacking also: Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers… Maybe you are ready for him to govern our “57 states”, but I sure am not! He has said NOTHING of any substance, DONE NOTHING of any substance, to demonstrate his ability to become President. He talks a good talk (when the teleprompter is on) but is an empty suit. I am sick of the Democratic controlled Senate/Congress who have done NOTHING to help Americans! Americans have good sense..they will elect MCCain/Palin in November!
So the potential Palin pitter-patter of little bastard feet in the White House is something the people should ignore as personally private? “Family values” is a conservative Republican plank, is it not? Does the Palin teen pregnancy show anything at all about the ability of Mom to teach and maintain the Christian family values she says she embraces or any values at all for that matter? Is the Alaska investigation into Palin potentia/possiblel criminal family behavior also personally private? Did old man McCain choose Palin without much thought or clear analysis but because she is a religious conservative or because she could be president if his early onset dementia gets worse (perhaps he should take a pre-presidential trip to Yugoslavia)? Was his choice the best, given the current country needs: severe economic problems, international relations deterioration, educational deterioration (and, wow, she is a creationist!), severe health problems? Did not Palin say that she knows nothing (that is NOTHING) about international affairs? Is Palin the best person to run three wars in progress (terrorism, Iraq & Afganistan), and two more possible wars (Iran and N. Korea) because she has been the “commander” of the Alaska National Guard for a little over one whole year? Is Palin able to negotiate with foreign leaders like Putin? A few more things pop up now – what else will there be? Do they show what a wonderful potential president Palin is and what a smart McCain selection she is?:
_Palin sought pork-barrel projects for her city and state, contrary to her reformist image.
_Her husband once belonged to a fringe political group in Alaska, with some members supporting secession from the United States.
_A private attorney is authorized to spend $95,000 to defend her against accusations of abuse of power.
_She has acknowledged smoking marijuana in the past.
Isn’t Palin a marvelous candidate for the Republicans? Is she obviously the best Republican for the job? Is this all the Republicans can pull out of their ho-ho hat?
In their support of Ms. Palin are the Republicans being completely truthful and honest or are they beating each other up behind closed doors? Are they really, really happy with her? Are they really, really excited by her? Is Ms. Palin a reliable candidate? Is Ms. Palin capable of being the President of the United States? Can Ms. Palin be trusted? While, in word, Ms. Palin embraces Christian conservative Republican values, do her actions show these values? Indeed, by nominating such a creature is McCain really showing his love for his country by doing his “best” for the country?
Its funny to see how defensive republicans have become. How are the mighty fallen. You who sit in moral judgment over others, now comes out passionately in defense of your own. So governor Palin did not abort her Down’s sdm baby, and did not support abortion for her daughter. How does that make her more special than millions of American mothers? I have seen atheists and non Christians who stand by their pregnant teenage daughters, and most Americans, democrats, independents or republicans will NEVER commit an abortion. At the same time many people do not want to sit in judgment over people who for reasons unknown to others decide that abortion is the only option for them, and have to live with the consequence. The republicans sit in judgement over others playing holier than thou attitude, pretending to be better Christians than anybody else, that’s why you have a lot of people laughing at you now for your hypocrisy when secrets like Ms Palin’s family disgrace is revealed. Now you are trying to divert attention from the issue,focusing instead on Obama who we all know is not responsible for the pregnancy. Now, according to you, Obama is not a Christian. Only God knows who worships Him. I hope people will open their eyes to the facts, and not be influenced by republican propaganda this time around.
If governor Palin does not want to commit the sin of abortion, I raise my hat to her, but how about teaching her children about the sin of fornication, so that abortion will not even be an issue at all.
Is BO getting a bit worried – and is he returning the favor – trying to take some attention from his opponent?
O’Reilly just announced he’ll be interviewing BO Thursday night.
I say Republicans somehow Wednesday night should set up some of the questions O’Reilly won’t be able to avoid asking the Prevaricator on Thursday. Perhaps bring up some of the things our dependable Clarice and Jennifer have been investigating and reporting for so many months now. Those things the MSM won’t touch. Or the Debate moderators won’t allow.
He wants the attention again – though I’m sure he hasn’t really minded the mud being slung lately at a mother and her child – so we’ll give it to him.
Why do I think he doesn’t really mind a child being hurt? Because this wouldn’t be the first time. He’s allowed children to be hurt before. The divorce records of an opponent for his Senate seat were unsealed in order to eliminate him and more easily win. He also allowed his own young children to sit in the pews of his spiritual mentor, Wright. That aided his political ambitions as well.
And this particular mother and child aren’t helping him politically at all. They only bring attention to one of the uglier things he’s recently chosen to lie about: he’d rather some children be dead. Even when they’re born alive. If he realizes today that this was wrong thinking – and voting – he hasn’t admitted to it. Instead, when exposed, he called others the liars — those who were telling the truth.
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If we love one another, we encourage the best in each of us. We want one another to reach our highest potential as fellow human beings.
But we know none of us is perfect. All of us make mistakes. We even behave very badly sometimes. It’s what we do after we stumble and fall that counts. Are we saddened? Are we repentant? Or do we in fact compound the error with yet another error – acting selfishly – usually to protect ourselves from the consequences of the first?
Sarah Palin has lived her faith. She brought into the world a child too many have thought not worthy to have life. Her daughter shares her mother’s faith. She’ll bring into the world a child whose “timing” wasn’t just right. Both mother and daughter believe every child is a gift of God. Not a punishment.
In reading the statement Sarah Palin made regarding her daughter’s pregnancy, it’s undeniable: she’s been a wonderful example – a loving mother to her daughter and all her children. Every child should be so blessed.
And perhaps one day a certain Presidential candidate might be blessed with the faith – and maturity – of a child.
Hey DUmmie and KOS Kids Trolls, The more you yell about this matter, the more you clearly reveal how truly scared you are come November. Never let your enemy know your fear. “Perception is reality” they say. Take initiative, stand-up for what you beleive in and stop jousting windmills. Better luck in 2012.
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michele:
How is this mudslinging being laid at the Democrats’ and Obama’s door?
If you read the article, you’ll notice that I never personally use the word Democrat, nor do I blame Obama.
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However, I think you unwittingly play into the hands of the haters when you read what some fringe nutjob blogger says and start talking about “The LEFT is saying” — which you did say in your article — although you only quoted The Daily Kos.
Here in the hotbed of “lefty liberalism”, San Francisco, I don’t know of anyone who isn’t appalled and disgusted at the attempted smears of Palin, her daughter and her son. And I don’t know of anyone here who doesn’t applaud the responsibility that family seems to be taking and the love they seem to have for each other. I believe those are Liberal Values as well. In fact, I don’t think they are Liberal or Conservative values. I think they are the values of rational, compassionate people no matter thier political persuasion.
Just like DAily Kos doesn’t speak for any Liberals I know, when Rush Limbaugh spouts out his venom, I don’t immediately assume that is THE RIGHT speaking.
Who is The RIGHT? Is it my father, a career army officer and veteran of two wars who is very conservative politically but adamantly supports a woman’s right to choose? Who is THE LEFT? Is it one of my friends, who is liberal on every issue but is a fiscal conservative when it comes to government spending (and sometimes votes Republican)?
Mudslinging is despicable and I think people on all sides of the political equation deplore it. But I think when otherwise articulate, thoughtful, insightful people (like yourself) start to take one idiot’s ramblings and immediately labeling those as the voice of a whole amorphous group of people — well, I think you are servicing the objectives of exactly those haters.
It would have been a better, more journalistic article — and less inflammatory — if you had taken to task SPECIFICALLY The Daily Kos, or any other blogger, individual, newspaper or politician who was slinging mud. When you sweep a large brush over millions of people and assume we all are in lock-step with some fringe element, you are, edging exactly into KOS/Limbaugh territory (although I believe, without their malicious intent.)
We can’t control the nutjob — and unfortunately, in the age of the Internet, the nutjobs seem to have a very large platform — but those of us who are rational can keep the debate where it should be.
The conventional wisdom was that most Obama supporters were college educated elites. I read the deranged grammatically challenged rantings of dim bulbs like Jimmie451,temeka,etc. and we’ll have to rethink the conventional wisdom. A little hint: your argument might pack a little more juice if you didn’t sound like an illiterate buffoon. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Meet Sarah:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
see video “Kalnins and Palin)
very scary … though I suppose our evangelicals here will think it’s delightful
You know what america needs?A healthy dose of good ole fashioned Creationism taught back in schools.I was taught both and i cant see why not.
Daily KAOS is a left wing(far left?) that spouts all kinds of garbage about folk and have no real clue as to the dangers of the real world.Maybe thats their intention who knows?But im not taking my eye off the ball.The ball being Iran,Syria,Georgia,Russia,radical Islam and of course the angry Left in America.
not that it matters in the scheme of things.. but with all the mud being thrown here… The daughter is her own woman. She might have been using condoms or birth control… Just because her mother has one belief does not mean that her daugher has the same beliefs or values. We have to remember this girl has gone to a public school that has inundated her with leftist views for 11 years. The media is being very biased in this. They bring up a DUI from 22 years ago however Obama’s cocain use from that same time is an “indiscresion” of youth. Michelle Obama has brought herself to the spotlight making speaches and she has a history of being a radical. If Someone takes the spotlight they should expect to be examined. While both sides are guilty of running smear “infomercials” The left with the likes of hufpost in my opinion are going off the deepend right now. If they want to debate the issues they don’t stand a chance so they have to go down this road. I think the issue here is personal responsibility the right has it. The left lacks it. It’s a sad day here as an ex democrat to see where the party has gone. JFK is spinning in his grave right now.
I guess the left has to do this. Statisticaly speaking they are in the hole from the get go nearly 2/3′s of americans think of themselves ase conservative. The republicans base is NOT the social conservative. I’m so sick of hearing this. The republican base is the conservative democrat the independent and the moderate republican. Palin was a great pick for an obvious reason that no one has brought up. It allows him to come back to the center and leave the socialy conservative pandering to Palin. McCain is now able to be himself which will bring in the votes he needed and would have lost if he felt he had to bow to the feet of the social conservative crowd.
wow I just proof read and I should be sleeping.. I’m sorry for my lack of proof reading.
Jimmy 451: The one who couldn’t answer simple questions was Obama — case in point, the Saddleback Forum. Because you’re so blind in love with him, you failed to see (or acknowledge) Obama’s “uh, uh, uh” non-answers. And contrary to what all the liberals thought and hoped would happen, McCain was the more alert, more energetic, more clear, more youthful-like, more quick to answer than the “uh, uh, uh” man. McCain blew Obama away at this forum; that’s why Obama is reluctant to go one-on-one with him at town hall meetings where he can’t control people’s questions.
I am amazed at all the comments in favor of stringing Palin up for choosing to be who she is. Where are the feminists? Those of us who chose to work, have careers, and raise families? I may not agree with all of her policis and beliefs, but I definitely do not agree with the Dem feminists and their attacks on her CHOICES or her family. If you are pro-choice, then respect what she has chosen for herself. As for her children, many Dem Presidents have raised their children in the White House and many VPs have as well. Their children have always been considered off limits to attacks, and hers should be as well. Attacking a 17 year old is ugly and unwarranted.
The Alaska age of consent laws are unique. The age of consent in Alaska is 16. This is the age at which an individual may consent to have sex with someone over 18, legally, in Alaska. It applies both to heterosexual and homosexual acts.
The minimum age to marry in Alaska is 18. People under the age of 18 can marry with the consent of both parents. The prospective bride and groom should bring certified birth certificates, and their parents should present valid identification.
This is now more than obvious after 48 years of Feminism that this was ”NEVER ” about the Feminist movement at all unless you were a women ‘of Color’
very Liberal or a Gay Women . In Truth this act on Hillary and now Sarah Palin has ended the Feminist movement now and forever since it was a well
Orchestrated hoax By Women who had Liberal , Socialist , Marxist , Atheistic views and were Ugly, fat or Gay and not family values women .
Their claim to fame was their taking their Bra’s off in Public was their symbol and Kissing over women with deep kisses .
Sarah Palin’s is modest in comparisons which appears to be a turn off for Liberals and the media elite .
It is also obvious that a incredible smart [take charge } Family values oriented Conservative Christian Women should not be allowed to brake that Famous Glass ceiling or play a leadership role in American politics …. Again Unless your very Liberal , of Color or Gay Women .
What is even worse is us ”Seeing “” Jealous very angry and quite Hostile Women in the Main Stream Media who are in a league Sarah Palin far surpassed many years ago not to mention far better looking(in great shape physically ) having Brains and all kinds of Skills far reaching above any Women Politician serving in Congress presently … men or women included . Her rare Uniqueness is somehow not Unique enough since She is Conservative ?
“Sexism ” is alive and well since Sarah Palin is being ask questions or questions ”Raised ” by Liberals men and women in the media .
No man has ever had to answer in the past . {Like } How can a Mother have another Job or not be there for your Daughter who is going to have a baby who is going to marry to her long time sweet heart ? Or worse Sarah Palin doesn’t have Foreign affairs experience never ask of Obama in two years unless Enough Foreign Affairs experience is he went to Iraq once or gave and Apology for America’s mistreated of others speech and is a Citizen of the World at the Brandenburg Gate where Ronald Reagan and John Kennedy spoke about America’s greatness unlike Obama’s we need to fix America’s speech .
Far Beyond appalling Yet the media swooned even before he was President ?
What is left out of this Liberal and Media bashing of Ms Palvin and sick comment is Liberal “invented “the word {Multitasking} and breaking through the ‘Class Ceiling ‘ .
What this reminds me most of all by Liberals and the media is they will do anything on earth to destroy the credibility of any women not of their thinking and political far left agenda .
It also reminds me of the best kids playing games in the school yard( everyone )wanted on their team when they chose sides in any games .
Not anymore unless your a Liberal Women Of Color or a Gay female .
If not Liberals and the media are telling Sarah Palin to leave the playground anyway they can “” Manufacture , Lie or create Rumors sadly .
i HAVE WORKED WITH ADOLESCENTS FOR YEARS AND IT IS A REALITY THAT TEENAGE FREMALES GETTING PREGNANT WANT TO BE LOVED OR HAVE SOMETHING TO LOVE. THIS IS WHAT MAKES ME QUESTION sARA PALIN’S ROLE AS A MOTHER. 5 KIDS, GOV OF ALASKA AFTER BEING A MAYOR OF SMALL TOWN, MAKES ME QUESTION WHAT TIME DID SHE GIVE TO HER DAUGHTER AND WHAT TIME HAS SHE ALLOTED FOR A DOWN SYNDROME SON? HER PRIORITIES MUST BE QUESTIONED AND I DON’T WANT SOMEONE LIKE THAT IN A PRESSURE JOB IN THIS TIME OF WORLD CRISIS.
c ramirez:
i HAVE WORKED WITH ADOLESCENTS FOR YEARS
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You are still child like YOUR SELF and have the common sense mind of someone that ”needs help ” your self Not anyone that should work with ADOLESANTS or give anyone help .
One wondered why your message is not working in the black and Hespenic POPULATION ? Many women work that have kidds . Duh !
Many your Liberalism speaks louder than your sense of basic reality one more than suspects .
Good ol’ boy network is still alive, in the Democrat party. Sarah Palin has caused the fear and loathing to not only boil out but to spray like Ol’ Faithful.
Reminds me of the obstacles my mother faced (herself, a very attractive and confident woman) when she became first the VP of the local Chamber of Commerce then later the Pres. of same back in the ’70′s. I was shocked to hear that men would make passes at her in order to intimidate her. She would not only put them immediately in their places but would actually have them fearing her. (She was also as tall or taller than many of the men in this area.)
Unfortunately, the Left is now “making passes” at Sarah Palin and if she strikes back at these cowards, they will fear her. (I have no doubt in her abilities!!!)
Re; Sonja
I don’t know which country you are from, but in the US women have the right to choose, Constitution and Supreme Court say so. It is my belief that you should be looking in the mirror when you use the word moron.
Hey Joe, last I checked the girl has a father too.
I won’t say I’m a conservative, but liberals (who are quite often self proclaimed intellectuals)tend to be very condescending towards opposing points of view. Ever listen to Joe Biden carefully? At times I agree with him but mostly his tone drips with sarcasm as he ‘talks at’ the blue collar folks he supposedly represents. As for Palin…I don’t know much about her, and would have preferred Guiliani, but my state is a true blue state anyway. Regardless, the liberals overstated the case against Bush in the first place, and can only condemn using hindsight arguments. What have they done for us lately (i.e. the dem controlled house) except pontificate….nothing productive…but they are the enlightened ones, so I humbly defer…..
read the posts of any true liberal. you know what I mean.
Excuse me, might have been said already, but the best thing is if the daughter actually had been using condoms, that would be funny in this hysteria about all the hype from worried liberals about the possibilty of sexual diseases (the guy is 18…probably not out every night with a different girl-come on HER MOM hunts!)…by the way my second child was conceived using condoms…go figure?
bear, if liberals are condescending how would you describe right-wing Christians? Self-righteous tends to jump to my mind
I would know that better than most, having a (deceased) minister as a grandfather. I was expected to take up the mantle. One reason why I’m squarely in the middle. You probably hit the right term.
Christopher, I don’t think my first post took. But I can’t argue that description. It’s not always the case, but I know the self righteousness of which you speak (a familial generation removed)
Wow, Sarah Palin has just won this election for McCain.
C Ramirez, The illogical leaps that liberals take are breathtakingly stupid. I work with teenage mothers, they all crave love, Bristol Palin is pregnant. Therefore she craves love. Therefore her mother is a bad mother. My dog has a tidier mind than you, you colossal jewel of ignorance.
I’m getting further along in these comments…gopgeorge…um when I was six months pregnant, at Christmastime, in a large family only one person noticed that I was pregnant…Iwas waiting to announce it later as to not steal someone else’s fire…I really think that there are a few followers from Obama’s campaign writing some of these letters trying to convince the people on the right to think like they are supposed to; unthinking racist moralists thumping on the bible types-rathe than human beings who understand what it means to do it wrong and be forgiven….
Idonotconcur…um there are other options between them, however, don’t you think that Bristol realized like at least 4 months ago that um maybe something was different? And since from what I have seen, the family seems to TALK to each other, they probably have done so-about the issue of Bristol’s pregnancy? And lo and behold her and her boyfriend have decided to get married-they haven’t run out the front door to the justice of the peace yet anybody got a wedding date(quit the shotgun wedding thing)? Come on no one worried about the issue in the MCCAIN party because to the Palin’s the issue was settled before her mom took the VP position…and I am sure that their family probably talked about that decision too, but these are just my reasonings…and it wouldn’t hurt for a lot of others to reason a bit before they react…against a family like the Palins.
I just don’t get it. Bristol Palin may or may not be pregnant AGAIN but 5 months? Get real. She isn’t as big now as she was in the family portrait taken before Trig was born. But WHATEVER. That isn’t the point. Bristol is the product of a an attention grabbing, power hungry mother who will do or say anything to get what she wants, including offering her daughter up to the scrutiny and judgment of the entire WORLD. Judgments and comments that will live in history for both Trig and Bristol’s future children to contemplate. She calls herself “just a hockey mom”, I beg to differ. Kid’s WILL make mistakes, particularly kids who have been brought up in fundamentalist households that preach a party line at home then send kids to school, unprepared for a world that is 50 years ahead of their preparation at home. Failed policies are failed policies whether its a policy against sex education and birth control in favor of ostrich parenting or watching our boys die in a “war to nowhere”. If its BROKEN- FIX IT!!
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sophia johnson: is bristol’s boyfriend black…what would that matter and what does that have to do with anything in this dscussion?
Outside of the fact that Obama is black-ish, ie has African origins which leaves his skin pigmented?
Hyocrisy means pretending to be something you’re not. When people pretend to believe in traditional morality but don’t really, they’re hypocrites.
The Dems like to call Republicans hypocrites when their behavior falls short of their aspirations, but that is hypocrisy only when one pretends one is without faults. Most Christians know that we have all sinned and fallen short and need confession and repentance to be atoned through Jesus Christ.
WOW!!!! I have NEVER seen this site ATTACKED in this manner! I have NEVER seen SO MANY people who are ‘representin’ the far-left! They have nothing to offer but personal attacks! Nothing of importance or substance to add to the conversation! (Not to mention the grammar/spelling/syntax errors!!) The Democrats are REALLY nervous!! They have sent the ‘minions of Darkness’ into the blogosphere….YAY!! We can have a really good laugh…and I really think, that when there are more than 5 of this type of hateful/irresponsible/left-wing responses , the rest of us should STOP REPLYING…say NOTHING…let them “talk amongst themselves” and move on to another topic! Don’t feed ‘the ugly beast’….LET THIS BE THE LAST COMMENT ON THIS THREAD FROM ANYONE WHO IS PRO-MCCAIN AND ANTI-OBAMA!!!!!
I am saddened by Mcain’s choice for VP. Palin has 5 children and in 4 months she will have 6. Let’s face it, can Palin’s 17 year old daughter really care for this child on her own while her mother is clear across the continent acting as VP? I am all for women having careers and working outside the home, but what kind of mother can help run a country and care for 5 children (one with a disabiility) and one with her own child. Give me a break!
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Bill Clinton chased a lot of women out of the Democrat party with his misogynistic use of hordes of women and his abuse of power. I’m one of those women. The Democrats are now at great risk of losing a lot more women over their vile and depraved treatment of Sarah Palin in direct contrast to their claim of supporting women and standing with them and their choices.
This election season is exposing the utter baseness and falseness of the Democrat agenda and ideology. The pick of Palin to reveal this ugliness was inspired. McCain laid the trap and the Dems and the left jumped into it.
Those in the left attacking Sarah Palin with sexism are the same ones that attacked Hillary Clinton. That’s why the dem party is so divided. Just a little too much misogyny going on in that party. Hillary supporters are looking at Sarah Palin and thinking she looks pretty good. As for running the country and taking care of her family, what’s her husband–chopped liver? He looks more than capable of being Mr. Mom for a few years. The Obots seemed to be “organized” to attack any website that doesn’t promote BHO. Just don’t lump all the Dems in the same category as those Obamatrons.
Is it “smearing” when someone is accidentally caught being honest:
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/09/03/republican-insiders-caught-by-hot-mic-race-is-over/
Hyocrisy means pretending to be something you’re not. When people pretend to believe in traditional morality but don’t really, they’re hypocrites.
You have a strange way of defining HYPOCRISY. A belief in morals and ideals and striving to live up to them doesn’t mean perfection. It never did.
But I understand why the Left embraces the “there is no such thing as morality”…if you don’t HAVE values you can’t be “charged” as a hypocrit.
In other words, Stalin found killing millions of his own people perfectly acceptable ..so he was no “hypocrite”.
The measure of one’s morality and character is how you REACT to things.
The Palins are a wonderful family.
Michele
btw, can you please correct your errors vis a vis Gov Palin’s “creationism” (already debunked by LGF and Hotair) and the AIP (she was never a member)
Those are just more lies and misdirections from the Dem Party’s PR wing — aka the NYTimes, LATimes, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC, et al.
mccain said chelsea clinton was ugly and was janet renos kid
he started it, if you cant stand the heat….
she is a lying creationist book burner
no errors.