Can you cite the Constitutional basis for Congress authority to implement this plan? There’s the first problem.

- Under my current plan with my company I get to choose the coverage I want. I can spend as much or as little as I want. It will be the same with a public option and insurance companies.

Who convinced you of this, and where is the actual evidence that this is true – given that no final bill exists yet?

- As for doctors and patients determining what is good for the patient that shipped has sailed. For-profit insurance companies make that decision for everyone. They determine who and what they cover. They determine if Grandma lives or dies by what they will or will not pay for.

Well here’s a thought. It’s outside-the-box thinking, so it might be a tad difficult to grasp at first, but how about just paying for your health care yourself – directly – instead of relying on a group insurance plan (read: other people) to pay for it for you?

Insurance is a tool for managing financial risk, not paying for standard costs of living. The vast majority of routine health care is anything but a “financial risk”, so insurance is the wrong way to pay for it anyway. Doing so is the main reason why health care costs are so high (consumers never see the actual price of what they’re consuming – unlike every other market in existence).

Knee-jerk reactions to problems shouldn’t always be a “government solution”. The federal government was originally defined with very limited powers for a reason. The bankrupt Social Security and Medicare systems are perfect examples of WHY those limitations were imposed. Get government – and comprehensive health insurance companies – OUT of the health care market and let it correct itself. That solves the whole problem without giving government even more control over our lives and our money.

If that’s the best you can do, I’m not the one who has a problem.

Either way – try the label-yourself-’rich’ thing. Keep us posted.

You really have a problem. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I see now you are truly mental.

Get help, psycho.

Look up the term straw man. That appears to be the only type of response you’re capable of – aside from ad hominem. So you may as well go learn what it means, since they obviously never covered it wherever you were allegedly educated.

- I agree about the paying for your own abortion. I don’t know why you would think otherwise.
I don’t think otherwise. I don’t care about your thoughts on the subject at all. And I never inferred that I did. This should be a big hint for you, usa’. Here’s the clue: things aren’t always about you. We’ll discuss this further down.

- I just assumed you were a homosexual, but I am sure you get that all the time.
Your raging homophobia must be a real problem in your job if your first response to someone smarter than you is to call them “gay” and “homosexual”. Morally adolescent college freshman pull that kind of crap. Assuming you actually do have a job, since your smart-assed remarks probably aren’t appreciated by those you work for. Or… are you saying that you only engage in homophobic ad hominem when you post anonymously online. Brad Paisley has your number.

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@365. usafirst: – I had originally posted a pretty clever responce to your post,…
Apparently you’re not as clever as you think you are. See below.

… but I guess someone on this site figured enough was enough. I always knew if anything was going to be censored on this site, it was never going to be something from the right, no matter how offensive.
So now you’ve graduated to paranoid delusion and subsequent nonsense fantasy.

Gee, who could have seen that coming!?

We could go on and on attacking each other, … We could go on and on discussing our differences of opinion…
Eh… no one’s attacked YOU. You’re the one slinging homophobic ad hominem remarks. Oh wait – you probably think that when someone pops the little fantasy bubble you’ve chosen to live in, that you’re being attacked personally. Sorry to tell you this – that’s just your overactive imagination. Get a grip.

And by they way, you also haven’t expressed any “difference of opinion”. You simply dismiss anything that disagrees with your leftist, gay-bashing world view. So far you have failed – utterly – to address even a single one of the points I raised about Nagin’s and Blanco’s incompetence or the record regarding the National Guard’s unprecedented response to Katrina. Let alone the very clear record on Obama. You seem to think you can dismiss documented facts by labeling them “lies” by “right wing pundits”. You seem to think that by labeling them, you’ve successfully rebutted them. I’m happy to teach you – again – that you’re wrong.

Here’s an experiment I suggested earlier: try labeling yourself “rich”. Let us know what happens.

- … but it always seems to turn ugly.
Yes – your homophobic side is definitely ugly. As I noted above. I run a counseling business and support groups for gay men, so I take this as a personal insult and an attack on my friends and clients. Your ugly comments demonstrate exactly what and who you are. Jon Haidt’s correct – the left is far from “tolerant”.

- I am, of course, just as guilty as you …
Hey – don’t project your guilt onto me. Just because you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about, and must resort to straw man fallacy and homophobic, ad hominem attacks doesn’t make me guilty of anything. Deal with your guilt on your own. Leave others out of it. The world would be a FAR better place if ALL you leftist moral adolescents would stop projecting your guilt onto others, and trying to force US to atone for YOUR imagined sins.

- I will admit I don’t really understand where you are coming from …
Clearly. And that’s no surprise since your grasp of reality and reason is so… what’s the word… nonexistent. Try actually paying attention instead of shutting your eyes, plugging your ears and hiding behind knee-jerk “right-wing pundit” responses. That’d be a start.

- I am not exactly sure why you thought my opinion was otherwise.
You’re projecting. Again. My statement had nothing to do with you at all. Wait – you’re going to tell us you’re female AND ALSO ignorant of the “general” use of the term you in a phrase like “if you choose it, you pay for it.” I have yet to see anyone stoop to that level of desperation, but you have my permission to go for it.

In the meantime, if you’ve had ANY psych training – and possess even a tiny shred of intellectual honesty – you’ll recognize your reaction here as quite narcissistic.

Besides that, you’re assuming you know what I think – and then you have the audacity to question me based on your erroneous assumption.

We’ll call that Narcissistic Straw Man Disorder.

You haven’t a clue what I think. I never gave any indication whatsoever WHAT I thought your opinion was. That’s because I honestly don’t care – because you’ve demonstrated that your opinion is worthless by failing, utterly, to support any of your nonsense with a single fact or one valid assertion.

- As for me, I stick by my main points.
What points? Oh, you mean that Bush caused Katrina to hit New Orleans** and that it was Gore’s fault? Or maybe you’re referring to your fantasy that BHO has ever had to answer a single probing question about his past, and given an honest answer.

- You do seem a little bitter at times, …
That’s just you projecting your own pathetic inability to argue a point.

I had originally posted a pretty clever responce to your post, but I guess someone on this site figured enough was enough. I always knew if anything was going to be censored on this site, it was never going to be something from the right, no matter how offensive. No matter, I was just pressing your buttons to get you all riled up anyhow. It is quite entertaining.

We could go on and on attacking each other, even though we really know nothing about each other at all. We could go on and on discussing our differences of opinion, but it always seems to turn ugly. I am, of course, just as guilty as you on this point. I am sure you don’t take it any more seriously than I do, or at least I hope you don’t. But if you do, I really don’t care either. It’s always hard to give respect when you don’t get it.

I will admit I don’t really understand where you are coming from most of the time, but I do occasionally agree with you, such as your pro choice rant and personal responsibility. I am not exactly sure why you thought my opinion was otherwise. I am only barely pro choice as it is, and I certainly don’t think tax money should pay for it.

As for me, I stick by my main points. If you disagree, so be it. You are entitled to your opinion, but don’t forget so am I. If you can’t acknowledge that you are not omnipotent and that others have just as much right as you to their beliefs, than I really don’t know what to say. It seems unAmerican to me, but you would probably disagree with that too. Maybe anyhow.

You do seem a little bitter at times, or at least that’s how it comes off. You should relax, life is way too short for all of that negativity. But whatever works for you.

You have taught me, nor anyone else anything. I hope you weren’t trying to.

I am happy for you that you live in Shangri-La, where natural disasters don’t occur and rainbows and butterflies fill the skies. Just shows us all how truly superior you are to the rest of us mortals.

I agree about the paying for your own abortion. I don’t know why you would think otherwise. As a matter of fact, it is even in the Obamacare bill that way. Oh, I forgot, in your world where Sarah Palin is smart and anything she says must be true, it is not.

I just assumed you were a homosexual, but I am sure you get that all the time.

Why are you so bitter?

- you are indeed off your rocker
Sticks and stones. What are you – twelve?

- you need to get laid, that is if a fat, bald, bitter repressed homosexual such as yourself could find a willing partner (doubtful)
More homophobia? More ad hominem fallacy? Sorry – none of that is helping your argument (if one can call serial ad hominem an ‘argument’). It’s just making you look more hysterical, since none of it addresses a single thing I’ve taught you today.

- I can clearly see you cannot be reasoned with, …
Well, if you provide something – anything – that is based on reason, or even a single fact, then we can test your theory. Until then, living in a known flood zone is all you have going for you as far as “reason” is concerned.

- It is, however, good to see you are pro-choice!
Sure am. What’s more, if you choose it, you pay for it. You choose to have it, you’ve chosen to support it, without my tax dollars. You choose to kill it, you take a summer job to pay for it. Freedom to choose does NOT mean freedom from responsibility.