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		<title>By: Steve J. Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve J. Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want a perfect example of Western media bias when talking about Russia, look at this simpleminded, ah hominem editorial from the Wall Street Journal (Oct. 9, 2008) in response to Dimitri Medvedev&#039;s speech in Evian. Basically, they compared Medvedev to Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadenijad. When did La Russophobe aka Kim Zigfeld start writing for the Wall Street Journal? And how can the WSJ be so anti-protectionist on China, and Saudi money but have a completely hypocritical and different attitude towards Russia? Perhaps it is politically and financially more expedient to make Moscow the bad guy than Beijing and Riyadh, even among conservatives? You know what I&#039;m talking about. There&#039;s a Prince Bandar wing at the George H.W. Bush Library at Texas A&amp;M in College Station, TX but not a Roman Abramovich wing of the George W. Bush Library in Dallas.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122350982199217341.html

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev dumped a truckload of vitriol on the United States yesterday in Evian, France (so much for the water). Mr. Medvedev said that after 9/11 the U.S. missed a chance to build a &quot;truly democratic world order&quot; and instead chose to &quot;consolidate its global domination.&quot; He urged Europe to work instead with Russia to &quot;unite the whole Euro-Atlantic region on the basis of common rules of the game.&quot;

Let it be noted that in the past year Russia&#039;s stock market has lost almost 70% of its value. Insofar as his predecessor Vladimir Putin&#039;s success rests mainly on delivering income growth to Russians, this dim moment must have struck Messrs. Putin and Medvedev as a good time to blame any financial trouble on forces outside Moscow.

In a particularly intriguing passage, Mr. Medvedev in Evian noted NATO&#039;s plans to expand, and &quot;quite naturally,&quot; he said, &quot;we regard these actions as directed against us.&quot; Then, perhaps anticipating criticism, he said, &quot;Sovietology, like paranoia, is a very dangerous disease, and it is a pity that part of the U.S. Administration still suffers from it.&quot;

Some thought Mr. Medvedev would lower the volume on former President Putin&#039;s anti-U.S. outbursts. Instead, it appears he is joining such other anti-American stalwarts as Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in concluding that international forums are mainly venues for ranting about the U.S. One wonders if somewhere in this Kremlin, Nikita Khrushchev&#039;s famous banging shoe from the 1960 U.N. visit isn&#039;t kept nearby as a lucky charm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want a perfect example of Western media bias when talking about Russia, look at this simpleminded, ah hominem editorial from the Wall Street Journal (Oct. 9, 2008) in response to Dimitri Medvedev&#8217;s speech in Evian. Basically, they compared Medvedev to Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadenijad. When did La Russophobe aka Kim Zigfeld start writing for the Wall Street Journal? And how can the WSJ be so anti-protectionist on China, and Saudi money but have a completely hypocritical and different attitude towards Russia? Perhaps it is politically and financially more expedient to make Moscow the bad guy than Beijing and Riyadh, even among conservatives? You know what I&#8217;m talking about. There&#8217;s a Prince Bandar wing at the George H.W. Bush Library at Texas A&amp;M in College Station, TX but not a Roman Abramovich wing of the George W. Bush Library in Dallas.</p>
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<p>Russian President Dmitry Medvedev dumped a truckload of vitriol on the United States yesterday in Evian, France (so much for the water). Mr. Medvedev said that after 9/11 the U.S. missed a chance to build a &#8220;truly democratic world order&#8221; and instead chose to &#8220;consolidate its global domination.&#8221; He urged Europe to work instead with Russia to &#8220;unite the whole Euro-Atlantic region on the basis of common rules of the game.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let it be noted that in the past year Russia&#8217;s stock market has lost almost 70% of its value. Insofar as his predecessor Vladimir Putin&#8217;s success rests mainly on delivering income growth to Russians, this dim moment must have struck Messrs. Putin and Medvedev as a good time to blame any financial trouble on forces outside Moscow.</p>
<p>In a particularly intriguing passage, Mr. Medvedev in Evian noted NATO&#8217;s plans to expand, and &#8220;quite naturally,&#8221; he said, &#8220;we regard these actions as directed against us.&#8221; Then, perhaps anticipating criticism, he said, &#8220;Sovietology, like paranoia, is a very dangerous disease, and it is a pity that part of the U.S. Administration still suffers from it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some thought Mr. Medvedev would lower the volume on former President Putin&#8217;s anti-U.S. outbursts. Instead, it appears he is joining such other anti-American stalwarts as Hugo Chavez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in concluding that international forums are mainly venues for ranting about the U.S. One wonders if somewhere in this Kremlin, Nikita Khrushchev&#8217;s famous banging shoe from the 1960 U.N. visit isn&#8217;t kept nearby as a lucky charm.</p>
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		<title>By: deguello</title>
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		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Russian Bear eats,&quot;&amp;etc.I would rather see the Russians enslave Europe than the Moslems.Bon Apetit,ursus putinus! Just don&#039;t forget the pepto bismol;if you eat europeans,you eat rotten meat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Russian Bear eats,&#8221;&amp;etc.I would rather see the Russians enslave Europe than the Moslems.Bon Apetit,ursus putinus! Just don&#8217;t forget the pepto bismol;if you eat europeans,you eat rotten meat!</p>
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		<title>By: Russian Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russian Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken
What is wrong with Russia? I do not see any &quot;dictatorship&quot; around. There is dissent, opposition, freedom of speech, elections... People do not have any fears of government. They do approve Putin&#039;s course. It is just a little bit authoritarian... But this is the Russian political tradition. To run a huge country with such diverse and law non-obedient population is not easy. A traditional Western style parlament is not going to work in this country. They need a LEADER. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483321/Putin-vilified-West--great-leader.html  

Says Mikhail Gorbachev: &lt;i&gt;Major changes are underway, changes that are moving ahead in Russia. Not everyone understands those complexities,&quot;... &quot;Putin salvaged the country from the ravages of Boris Yeltsin, whose rule as president of Russia from 1991 to 1999 set the country careening toward capitalism at the cost of great economic and social turmoil&quot;... &quot;Now Russia is having a resurgence, not for the first time in its history,&quot;.... &quot;We need your understanding that we are halfway in our transition to a free and fully democratic state.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/04/AR2007120402218.html
 
Says Henry Kissinger: &lt;i&gt;I do not consider Russia a dictatorial state. A vote of 64.3% shows that there is a significant part of the population that did not vote for Putin.... &quot;Of course we have our preferences, and of course we have our sympathies, but we also have to deal with a government in Russia that exists. And we need some understanding for the adjustments required by a country in a period of transition&quot;... He (Putin) is extremely intelligent, very focused on the subject under discussion and very familiar with the issues in foreign policy. He does not try to sweep you away with personal charm. It is a combination of aloofness, considerable intelligence, strategic grasp and Russian nationalism. &lt;/i&gt; 

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/personoftheyear/article/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken<br />
What is wrong with Russia? I do not see any &#8220;dictatorship&#8221; around. There is dissent, opposition, freedom of speech, elections&#8230; People do not have any fears of government. They do approve Putin&#8217;s course. It is just a little bit authoritarian&#8230; But this is the Russian political tradition. To run a huge country with such diverse and law non-obedient population is not easy. A traditional Western style parlament is not going to work in this country. They need a LEADER. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483321/Putin-vilified-West--great-leader.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483321/Putin-vilified-West&#8211;great-leader.html</a>  </p>
<p>Says Mikhail Gorbachev: <i>Major changes are underway, changes that are moving ahead in Russia. Not everyone understands those complexities,&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;Putin salvaged the country from the ravages of Boris Yeltsin, whose rule as president of Russia from 1991 to 1999 set the country careening toward capitalism at the cost of great economic and social turmoil&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;Now Russia is having a resurgence, not for the first time in its history,&#8221;&#8230;. &#8220;We need your understanding that we are halfway in our transition to a free and fully democratic state.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/04/AR2007120402218.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/04/AR2007120402218.html</a></p>
<p>Says Henry Kissinger: <i>I do not consider Russia a dictatorial state. A vote of 64.3% shows that there is a significant part of the population that did not vote for Putin&#8230;. &#8220;Of course we have our preferences, and of course we have our sympathies, but we also have to deal with a government in Russia that exists. And we need some understanding for the adjustments required by a country in a period of transition&#8221;&#8230; He (Putin) is extremely intelligent, very focused on the subject under discussion and very familiar with the issues in foreign policy. He does not try to sweep you away with personal charm. It is a combination of aloofness, considerable intelligence, strategic grasp and Russian nationalism. </i> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/personoftheyear/article/" rel="nofollow">http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/personoftheyear/article/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Russian Bear</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/russian-bear-eats-as-western-world-sleeps/#comment-118100</link>
		<dc:creator>Russian Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markus,
I got it. Do not worry about Finland. Russia is not going to restore the Soviet Empire. I know for sure. The fact that strategically valuable and industrially developed Belarus was denied to get united with Russia is a good illustration of that. Or Russia-Kazakhstan relations. Kazakhstan is a very independent state, which has ties with the USA and allowed the USA companies to invest a lot in its economy. There are some regions in the North, West and East of Kazakhstan populated by ethnic Russians almost 95%. The areas are rich with oil and rare metal ores, yet Russia is getting along with Kazakhstan pretty well, and is not having any claims or grievances. Because Kazakhstan is nice to Russia. The conflict with Georgia, the tensions with Ukraine, Estonia and Lithuinia is just implementation of the &quot;Be nice to us and we will, be nice to you&quot; principle. Russia has her own security interests, and the NATO at the door is certainly not in her interests. 

And the Ukraine is getting really nasty... 

Ken, 
Urho Kekkonen was a wise politician, a real statesman. He cared about his nation and made right decisions. Finns are reasonable, prudent nation.  Unlike Hungarians they fought their own war, not for others, they proven to be brave soldiers, did not smear themselves with killing Jews and sending them to Aushwitz. Being defeated by an overwhelming force, they came out of the war with dignity, not allowing enemy on their territory, saved the lives of their soldiers and wellbeing of their civilians. They managed to stay independent and to benefit from their position between the USSR and the Western Europe. In the result, Finland now enjoys one of the highest level of life among the other countries. Finns can work hard and still have time to relax.
 The Hungarians volunteered to fight for Germans and than tried to betray them, they were not very good on the battlefield, committed a lot of atrocities on the occupied territories (ask Ukrainians who survived the occupation, they will tell you that Hungarians were cheap marauders and crueler occupiers than Germans). They were defeated by Soviets, bombed, raped, lost a hundreds of thousands of lives, their economy was ruined. The country was occupied, lost its independence for more than 40 years, and, yes, had &quot;to suck up to the Soviets&quot;. The lost territories of Transylvania, Transcarpathia and Voyevodina is a divine justice you well deserved. As well as the greed and consumerism that makes Hungarian to slave and to moonlight without sufficient vacations unlike any other nation in Europe, and still be well behind Finland, you are trying to teach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markus,<br />
I got it. Do not worry about Finland. Russia is not going to restore the Soviet Empire. I know for sure. The fact that strategically valuable and industrially developed Belarus was denied to get united with Russia is a good illustration of that. Or Russia-Kazakhstan relations. Kazakhstan is a very independent state, which has ties with the USA and allowed the USA companies to invest a lot in its economy. There are some regions in the North, West and East of Kazakhstan populated by ethnic Russians almost 95%. The areas are rich with oil and rare metal ores, yet Russia is getting along with Kazakhstan pretty well, and is not having any claims or grievances. Because Kazakhstan is nice to Russia. The conflict with Georgia, the tensions with Ukraine, Estonia and Lithuinia is just implementation of the &#8220;Be nice to us and we will, be nice to you&#8221; principle. Russia has her own security interests, and the NATO at the door is certainly not in her interests. </p>
<p>And the Ukraine is getting really nasty&#8230; </p>
<p>Ken,<br />
Urho Kekkonen was a wise politician, a real statesman. He cared about his nation and made right decisions. Finns are reasonable, prudent nation.  Unlike Hungarians they fought their own war, not for others, they proven to be brave soldiers, did not smear themselves with killing Jews and sending them to Aushwitz. Being defeated by an overwhelming force, they came out of the war with dignity, not allowing enemy on their territory, saved the lives of their soldiers and wellbeing of their civilians. They managed to stay independent and to benefit from their position between the USSR and the Western Europe. In the result, Finland now enjoys one of the highest level of life among the other countries. Finns can work hard and still have time to relax.<br />
 The Hungarians volunteered to fight for Germans and than tried to betray them, they were not very good on the battlefield, committed a lot of atrocities on the occupied territories (ask Ukrainians who survived the occupation, they will tell you that Hungarians were cheap marauders and crueler occupiers than Germans). They were defeated by Soviets, bombed, raped, lost a hundreds of thousands of lives, their economy was ruined. The country was occupied, lost its independence for more than 40 years, and, yes, had &#8220;to suck up to the Soviets&#8221;. The lost territories of Transylvania, Transcarpathia and Voyevodina is a divine justice you well deserved. As well as the greed and consumerism that makes Hungarian to slave and to moonlight without sufficient vacations unlike any other nation in Europe, and still be well behind Finland, you are trying to teach.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putin has the classic dictator&#039;s dilemma - no dictatorship has been good at running the economy.  And he&#039;s tolerated a lot of corruption to boot (or used it as rewards).  So, he&#039;s got to do something to justify having a bad economy and a police state, and being mistrusted by all.  Invading puny neighbors and declaring that everyone&#039;s out to get you is a standard response.  Unfortunately, Putin just isn&#039;t smart enough to come up with something new - he&#039;s just a great example of what was called &quot;the banality of evil&quot;.

So, I would expect him to foment trouble in Ukraine, and anywhere else he can do it.

I read once that a Russian said that &quot;The Russian people will tolerate bread and no empire, or no bread and an empire, but will not tolerate no bread and no empire&quot;.
Sadly, it&#039;s a whole lot easier for Putin to provide empire than bread.

At least Hitler was creative enough to get Austria and Czechoslovakia without a shot (and at the time, the Cz army was bigger and better than Germany&#039;s), and bribed industrialists to put everyone to work.  Putin only got part of Georgia, lost a number of planes, and got his stock market to tank and investment to flee, while oil prices dropped and his economy continued to slide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putin has the classic dictator&#8217;s dilemma &#8211; no dictatorship has been good at running the economy.  And he&#8217;s tolerated a lot of corruption to boot (or used it as rewards).  So, he&#8217;s got to do something to justify having a bad economy and a police state, and being mistrusted by all.  Invading puny neighbors and declaring that everyone&#8217;s out to get you is a standard response.  Unfortunately, Putin just isn&#8217;t smart enough to come up with something new &#8211; he&#8217;s just a great example of what was called &#8220;the banality of evil&#8221;.</p>
<p>So, I would expect him to foment trouble in Ukraine, and anywhere else he can do it.</p>
<p>I read once that a Russian said that &#8220;The Russian people will tolerate bread and no empire, or no bread and an empire, but will not tolerate no bread and no empire&#8221;.<br />
Sadly, it&#8217;s a whole lot easier for Putin to provide empire than bread.</p>
<p>At least Hitler was creative enough to get Austria and Czechoslovakia without a shot (and at the time, the Cz army was bigger and better than Germany&#8217;s), and bribed industrialists to put everyone to work.  Putin only got part of Georgia, lost a number of planes, and got his stock market to tank and investment to flee, while oil prices dropped and his economy continued to slide.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markus, We Hungarians remembering well how Urho Kekkonen, the Lenin Prize Winner scumbag, sucked up to the Soviets while they shot or incarcerated everybody approaching the Iron Curtain. No wonder your reflexive infatuation with the barbarians and hostility towards Georgia. Your loss of Karelia to Russia is a divine justice you well deserved.
Soviet-Russia is the most hated nation ever;- from the Nordics all the way down to the Black sea and the Caucasus: ask the Poles, Hungarians, Baltics, Romanians, Chechens....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markus, We Hungarians remembering well how Urho Kekkonen, the Lenin Prize Winner scumbag, sucked up to the Soviets while they shot or incarcerated everybody approaching the Iron Curtain. No wonder your reflexive infatuation with the barbarians and hostility towards Georgia. Your loss of Karelia to Russia is a divine justice you well deserved.<br />
Soviet-Russia is the most hated nation ever;- from the Nordics all the way down to the Black sea and the Caucasus: ask the Poles, Hungarians, Baltics, Romanians, Chechens&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russian Bear, I thought it was clear that I more or less agreed with you.  In the present crisis, I&#039;m anti-Georgian, for instance.  I bring up Finland only because I&#039;m a Finn, and we had to fight the Soviet Union like hell not to wind up on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain.  My point was, I&#039;m fairly sympathetic these days to Russia, even given its imperial past as &quot;the prisonhouse of nations.&quot;  All I was saying is: don&#039;t mess with countries that don&#039;t have Russians in them.  I&#039;m not saying Russia is doing this, but I will note that some in Finland are fearful and as a result are trying to put NATO membership on the agenda.  I don&#039;t agree with such a move right now.    

On Crimea -- go slow, and look at the world as it, not the way it should be in the abstract.  Any attempt to take back the Crimea would be horribly destabilizing, engendering a much more dangerous world.  That is a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russian Bear, I thought it was clear that I more or less agreed with you.  In the present crisis, I&#8217;m anti-Georgian, for instance.  I bring up Finland only because I&#8217;m a Finn, and we had to fight the Soviet Union like hell not to wind up on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain.  My point was, I&#8217;m fairly sympathetic these days to Russia, even given its imperial past as &#8220;the prisonhouse of nations.&#8221;  All I was saying is: don&#8217;t mess with countries that don&#8217;t have Russians in them.  I&#8217;m not saying Russia is doing this, but I will note that some in Finland are fearful and as a result are trying to put NATO membership on the agenda.  I don&#8217;t agree with such a move right now.    </p>
<p>On Crimea &#8212; go slow, and look at the world as it, not the way it should be in the abstract.  Any attempt to take back the Crimea would be horribly destabilizing, engendering a much more dangerous world.  That is a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Russian Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russian Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;About citizenship problem in Georgia.&lt;/b&gt;
After the USSR was disbanded, Russia became a legal successor of the USSR. They adopted the law that any former USSR citizen, regardless of his or her ethnicity is eligible for Russia&#039;s citizenship. Armenian, Georgian, Latvian or Ukrainian-whoever...
Even before the USSR collapsed, Abkhazians and South Ossetians had conflicts with Georgians and wanted out of Georgia. They just hated Georgians for some genocidal acts in the past and for their arrogant attitude in the present. Same, like Chroats or Kosovo&#039;s Albanians vise Serbs. So, when Georgia became an independent nation the Abkhazians and Ossetians being inhabitants of their own ancestral land did not accepted Georgian citizenship and choose the Russian one.  In fact, they never been Georgian citizens.  
Georgians should built better relations with their minorities...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>About citizenship problem in Georgia.</b><br />
After the USSR was disbanded, Russia became a legal successor of the USSR. They adopted the law that any former USSR citizen, regardless of his or her ethnicity is eligible for Russia&#8217;s citizenship. Armenian, Georgian, Latvian or Ukrainian-whoever&#8230;<br />
Even before the USSR collapsed, Abkhazians and South Ossetians had conflicts with Georgians and wanted out of Georgia. They just hated Georgians for some genocidal acts in the past and for their arrogant attitude in the present. Same, like Chroats or Kosovo&#8217;s Albanians vise Serbs. So, when Georgia became an independent nation the Abkhazians and Ossetians being inhabitants of their own ancestral land did not accepted Georgian citizenship and choose the Russian one.  In fact, they never been Georgian citizens.<br />
Georgians should built better relations with their minorities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Russian Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russian Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To &lt;b&gt;Marcus&lt;/b&gt;
Finland? Why? Why are you talking about Finland whatsoever?
The USSR (RIP) got everything it needed from Finland as long ago as in 1940. It could get even more in 1944, when was advancing towards Finnish territory in WWII, and Finland (then  a Germany satellite)decided to get out of the war, but said &lt;i&gt;enough is enough&lt;/i&gt;. Since then Finns and Russians are getting along pretty well, and I never heard about any outstanding issues between them other than custom taxes on the Russian timber imported by Finns.
There was a proposal in 90-th by some Russian liberals to return the territories the USSR extorted from Finland in 1940, but that was not discussed seriously, and moreover, Finns unofficially refused to accept them because the territories ethnically and economically were too different, and it would take a hell of money and efforts to make them like the rest of Finland. In fact, Russians respect Finns for being a neutral nation, not brining anything like NATO in the Russia&#039;s neighborhood, for their capability to drink vodka even with Russians, for their love to banya (sauna or a steam sauna). 
The Baltic States are not an issue either. Russia abandoned any appetite for them. It is not realistic to subdue them again. What for? To have hostile population inside the country? Not prudent. As far as they respect the ethnic rights of the Russian speaking people living there, they will not have any problems with Russia.
The Crimea in the Ukraine is an issue. 60% of its population are ethnic Russians, 18% Crimean Tartars. It was given to the Ukraine by Khrushchev in 1954 as a gift for the 300-th anniversary of the Russia-Ukraine union. That did mean nothing at that time, just an administrative border, something like between New York and New Jersey. In 1992, when the USSR was disbanded, the Russia&#039;s president Yeltsyn did not claim the peninsula back on the condition that the Ukraine would stay a friendly and neutral nation and the rights of the Russians living there would be respected. Now the Ukraine is heading to the NATO which means possible NATO bases or radars 400 mi from Moscow and Russian Black Sea fleet incapacitated. The Ukraine government is pursuing &quot;ukrainization policy&quot;, closing Russians schools, banning Russian language on TV, limiting Russian language media, trying to induce anti-Russians sentiments  among the younger generation of Ukrainians. They want Russian ships to pay them for sailing through the straight from the Sea of Azov to the Black Sea because the passage is closer to the Ukrainian cost of the received as a gift Crimea peninsula than to the opposing Russian cost. You see a lot of bad behavior from the Ukraine. So we can now come up with the claim.
I do not understand you guys... Well, the Georgians asked for troubles and got them. That happens most of the time when somebody asks for troubles... Why does it mean that Russia is going to take over Finland next? Stupid. If you are interested in politics, you are supposed to understand how all it works, to see the whole picture, the underwater currents and rocks. Russia could easily get Belarus back as a part of a new Russian Union. A few years ago Lukashenko was literally begging about getting Belarus united with Russia. Both Russian and Belarussian people wanted it too. And what happened? Nothing. Russian political elite refused to unite with Belarus. They were afraid of the possible economic impact and Lukashenko possible influence in &quot;the would be Union&quot;. They did not want a strong competitor. So, all this talks about Russia is trying to restore the former USSR republics under its rule, and even to go after Poland and Finland is just dilettantism...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To <b>Marcus</b><br />
Finland? Why? Why are you talking about Finland whatsoever?<br />
The USSR (RIP) got everything it needed from Finland as long ago as in 1940. It could get even more in 1944, when was advancing towards Finnish territory in WWII, and Finland (then  a Germany satellite)decided to get out of the war, but said <i>enough is enough</i>. Since then Finns and Russians are getting along pretty well, and I never heard about any outstanding issues between them other than custom taxes on the Russian timber imported by Finns.<br />
There was a proposal in 90-th by some Russian liberals to return the territories the USSR extorted from Finland in 1940, but that was not discussed seriously, and moreover, Finns unofficially refused to accept them because the territories ethnically and economically were too different, and it would take a hell of money and efforts to make them like the rest of Finland. In fact, Russians respect Finns for being a neutral nation, not brining anything like NATO in the Russia&#8217;s neighborhood, for their capability to drink vodka even with Russians, for their love to banya (sauna or a steam sauna).<br />
The Baltic States are not an issue either. Russia abandoned any appetite for them. It is not realistic to subdue them again. What for? To have hostile population inside the country? Not prudent. As far as they respect the ethnic rights of the Russian speaking people living there, they will not have any problems with Russia.<br />
The Crimea in the Ukraine is an issue. 60% of its population are ethnic Russians, 18% Crimean Tartars. It was given to the Ukraine by Khrushchev in 1954 as a gift for the 300-th anniversary of the Russia-Ukraine union. That did mean nothing at that time, just an administrative border, something like between New York and New Jersey. In 1992, when the USSR was disbanded, the Russia&#8217;s president Yeltsyn did not claim the peninsula back on the condition that the Ukraine would stay a friendly and neutral nation and the rights of the Russians living there would be respected. Now the Ukraine is heading to the NATO which means possible NATO bases or radars 400 mi from Moscow and Russian Black Sea fleet incapacitated. The Ukraine government is pursuing &#8220;ukrainization policy&#8221;, closing Russians schools, banning Russian language on TV, limiting Russian language media, trying to induce anti-Russians sentiments  among the younger generation of Ukrainians. They want Russian ships to pay them for sailing through the straight from the Sea of Azov to the Black Sea because the passage is closer to the Ukrainian cost of the received as a gift Crimea peninsula than to the opposing Russian cost. You see a lot of bad behavior from the Ukraine. So we can now come up with the claim.<br />
I do not understand you guys&#8230; Well, the Georgians asked for troubles and got them. That happens most of the time when somebody asks for troubles&#8230; Why does it mean that Russia is going to take over Finland next? Stupid. If you are interested in politics, you are supposed to understand how all it works, to see the whole picture, the underwater currents and rocks. Russia could easily get Belarus back as a part of a new Russian Union. A few years ago Lukashenko was literally begging about getting Belarus united with Russia. Both Russian and Belarussian people wanted it too. And what happened? Nothing. Russian political elite refused to unite with Belarus. They were afraid of the possible economic impact and Lukashenko possible influence in &#8220;the would be Union&#8221;. They did not want a strong competitor. So, all this talks about Russia is trying to restore the former USSR republics under its rule, and even to go after Poland and Finland is just dilettantism&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/russian-bear-eats-as-western-world-sleeps/#comment-117209</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn, on Georgia you drew a strained analogy with Maine, saying if some of its people wanted Canadian citizenship, they should move to Canada.  Analogy only valid if it were just a few Ossetians clamoring for Russian passports...in fact just about all of them do.  If every Mainer wanted Canadian passport, they should have that right.  There are few if any Georgians in South Ossetia and Ahkhazia and the reason for this and the question of who cleansed whom first is lost in the mists of time.  As a result, Georgia is left with two choices: convince those peoples to become a part of Georgia, or let them go.  

Good article here on faux Democratic Georgia:  http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/sep/22/00008/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn, on Georgia you drew a strained analogy with Maine, saying if some of its people wanted Canadian citizenship, they should move to Canada.  Analogy only valid if it were just a few Ossetians clamoring for Russian passports&#8230;in fact just about all of them do.  If every Mainer wanted Canadian passport, they should have that right.  There are few if any Georgians in South Ossetia and Ahkhazia and the reason for this and the question of who cleansed whom first is lost in the mists of time.  As a result, Georgia is left with two choices: convince those peoples to become a part of Georgia, or let them go.  </p>
<p>Good article here on faux Democratic Georgia:  <a href="http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/sep/22/00008/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/sep/22/00008/</a></p>
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