Roosting Chickens Plague Obama
The Obama administration had the sort of week they’d rather see disappear down the memory hole. But unfortunately for the president, the trouble may just be beginning.
First, on the economic front the notion that we are going to bounce back soon from the recession is proving to be a pipe dream. The CBO predicted double-digit unemployment continuing to rise into 2010. Rasmussen reported:
The Rasmussen Investor Index dropped 15 points on Friday, the largest single day decline ever recorded in its seven-year history. The drop caps a week of extreme volatility for the Index and now shows investor confidence at the lowest level in two months.
The culprit — both for the volatility and the current low level of confidence — is shifting perceptions on where the economy is heading next. Today, just 24% of investors say the economy is getting better while 47% say it is getting worse. A couple of days ago, the outlook was much less pessimistic: 34% better and 40% worse.
And the every-growing mound of debt is triggering concern among purchasers of U.S. debt. The Wall Street Journal reported:
The yield of the benchmark U.S. 10-year bond, which moves in the opposite direction to the price, rose by 0.15 percentage point from Wednesday to 3.355%, its highest level in six months. … Thursday’s selloff in U.S. and U.K. government bonds highlights the risks the two countries face as they try to jump-start their economies. The two governments hope that all the money they are borrowing will spur so much growth that the debt will shrink as a portion of their economies. The risk is that growth will be weak, leaving the economies still struggling but with heavy debt loads.
Moreover, the result of the president’s spend-a-thon and the Fed’s hyperactive printing press has been a plunge in the U.S. dollar and renewed fears of stagflation.
This, of course, is the economic picture which Republicans painted when they inveighed against Obama’s stimulus and budget plans. They (and all those Tea Party protestors) warned that the sea of red ink spilling from the U.S. Treasury couldn’t be readily absorbed by purchasers of U.S. debt and the result would soon be higher interest rates and slowed growth. It is the argument they continue to employ in objecting to the gigantic spending items still on the Obama budget. They now have some evidence to support their arguments. This week the reality was driven home: the Obama economic plan is a faulty and unsustainable one. And those Democrats on the ballot in 2010 had better buckle up — it is going to be a bumpy ride.
On the national security front, the week brought a bevy of problems and complications for the president. His own party is in revolt, voting 90-6 in the Senate to defund his scheme to relocate Guantanamo detainees to the U.S. Nancy Pelosi is now reduced to “stonewalling” to fend off reporters’ queries about whether the CIA “misled” her.
Leftists are often raped by reality. Pass the popcorn watching this one go down is going to be fun.
Dr Hansen
Boy, are you a breath of fresh air. This is what I think but could never conceptualize. Please keep writing.
Specifics and Details? HA! Even his teleprompter flip flops.
“But Obama’s speech was devoid of specifics on the issue of the day”
Please, name me ONE time thus far that 0bama has NOT been devoid of specifics. He’s a perpetual liar/skirter/avoider/flim-flammer idiot with the ego the size of Hitler and Chavez combined. His version of a ‘decision’ rides on which way the political wind blows. Not good for him and not good for America.
Our world is at stake. We have been the example and a very good one at that [despite the Anti-American nay-sayers].
Now, we are caught with a chump who thinks he’s a rocks star and who was not properly vetted but rather was worshipped unabashedly by the main stream moonies of the media lackeys.
Gallows humor? Punch drunk?
When the other shoe drops, it will be in the form of a nuke and I’m terrified for Israel and the USA when our Country faces our worst nightmare.
Jimmy Carter must be grinning more now than he did back in the day with this naive idiot in the Oval Office. It sure is easy to throw stones, but actual governing, with actual consequences for ones actions are worlds apart. We are in for a VERY rough 4 years unless enough Democrats in Congress can put their country ahead of party and halt Obama’s destructive rampage. It sure seems at this point the Republicans are AWOL, except for brave warriors like Dick Cheney.
Ms.Rubin:
” And it is made harder by an administration which has used photo-ops and speeches in lieu of thoughtful policy. This week we saw, as the president’s former pastor once said, that the chickens are coming home to roost.”
Quite.
Well at least maybe he won’t be quite so glib as ugly reality sits more heavily on his face, huh?
BTW…is this fellow even Constitutionally qualified for the office?
I haven’t seen a vault-copy certificate of live birth….has anyone?
“obama’s chickens are coming home to roost”
Now isn’t that a bumper sticker just waiting to be printed…..
Yes, indeed. Pass the popcorn. This is all terribly serious and the future of our nation is at stake. But we may as well have popcorn as we watch the implosion of his high and mightiness.
6. Meryl,
-And, it’s high time we show those Mutha Pluckers who’s the Rooster in the hen house!
fun? its not going to be fun…people are going to be losing their jobs, your hard earned dollar is going to waste because Obama clearly doesn’t understand the concept of stagflation, and the tests that Joe Biden all warned about are being ignored, both by the government and the media.
I hope enough people will wake up before the next election so that maybe something from our collective futures can be salvaged…
Ms. Rubin, you hit a grand-slam home run with this column. However, one problem I see is that no matter how badly Obama messes up health care and the economy, or puts national security at risk, the media and the left (but I repeat myself) won’t call him on it, b/c he’s “one of them.” Yes, bond markets can’t be spun and unemployment can’t be ignored, but the left can and will endure a lot of pain in order to protect their Messiah.
I’ve always said (to myself) you can’t spin 9% unemployment.
Jennifer’s essay (and O’s rejection of kindergartners instead of Steelers,) proves that.
“This governing business is hard stuff. And it is made harder by an administration which has used photo-ops and speeches in lieu of thoughtful policy.”
Amen to that.
Maybe, just maybe, people will begin to understand Obamese, for example,
“evolving policy” = I haven’t got a clue what to do.
I will create 6 million jobs. The missing word is “viable”. He can create 10 million jobs, but if they are in organizations that fail, that will only mean that 10 million people will shortly be out of work.
“Health care for everyone” = except the ones we can’t afford to take care of.
“Green technology” = cash incinerators
“Spread the wealth” = from those who earn to those who can’t be bothered.
Economic indicators are showing positive signs = not as bad as they will be in a few months from now.
I have read ad nauseam that presidents tend to back off on some of their campaign promises, but this is generally because they meet too much opposition. In the impostor’s case he made promises without a clue of how to keep them, and the gullible and greedy grabbed at them like the $25 million in an email scam. Maybe he’s really a Nigerian, and not a Kenyan?
I used to wish that the Republicans would quit slinking around second-guessing themselves and fight back, but now I wonder if it’s better that they remain AWOL. Maybe this would make it easier for the Dems to criticize Obama themselves. They’re the only people he’s going to listen to anyway.
and the tax receipts continue to plummet, making the O’s deficit quite a bit larger than predicted and reported by the media
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/tax-receipts-plummet-as-americans-go-galt/
There is a big, dark, fat and growing lump of unspoken fear inside the guts of America these days.
It comes from people recognizing that our nation has finally gone over the line and elected a monster that is going to do unthinkable damage to every last person in our country.
Bottom Line: Politics as usual won’t fix it now. There are no quick and easy answers this time folks. None.
Some communities are harder to organize than others. That’s why a Prez, should have had at least one real job, before attempting this.
The 10-year yield closed above 3.4, highest since June — back when inflation fears were dogging financial markets. Treasury’s selling $101 billion of 2, 5, 7 year notes next week; (plus 61B in bills); Goldman estimates the govt will issue $3.5 trillion this fiscal year (ending in Sept). U.S. marketable debt is $6.36 trillion and rising. Thru it all, O and Tiny Tim have been making noises about need to cut deficit — LOL, by “investing in the future” via purchasing second homes for UAW schlubs on Lake Michigan so they’ll churn out two-door eurocars without striking.
I think we’ll remember this past Thurs and Fri (when the bond rout started) as the week the bond vigilantes turned their sights on Holy O and his utopian garbage.
#9 ChuckT:
“However, one problem I see is that no matter how badly Obama messes up health care and the economy, or puts national security at risk, the media and the left (but I repeat myself) won’t call him on it, b/c he’s “one of them.””
I don’t know about that…the welds that held the SS Obama together and afloat are already beginning to rust and crack open.
Let a few more newspapers go belly up and a few rounds of downsizing in the MSM staff, and I betcha you’ll hear them howl like you’ve never heard before.
I don’t trust Republicans to solve the country’s problems. Democrats are not any better. But I rather have Obama leading the way than anyone else. He’s courageous enough to have inherited the mess we are in. If we don’t pull as a country, we’re doomed. So shut up and do the right thing.
The Obama cheerleaders (AKA “mainstream media”) were crowing that “The recession is over! Unemployment went down by ONLY another 500,000 last month!”
Can’t imagine how they would respond to those figures if there were a Republican in the Oval Office . . . . .
The Next Messiah must be very happy with his useful idiots.
Maybe he’s really a Nigerian, and not a Kenyan?
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I agree with Bilgeman, 17. The whole outhouse will hit the fan and the sewage plant won’t be far behind. Dear Leader can only bail out a few selected unions before Treasury defaults on our debts. The vast majority of union members are watching their pension funds evaporate. The next market dive may be terminal. The media are just as vulnerable to the coming economic collapse. Since Obama has already taken credit for green shoots, he can’t blame Bush. I suspect the media, outside of GE-NBC, will bring out the knifes as they feel the pain. Some may even discover in 2010, as darling Sarah Palin begins to fill arenas, convention centers and stadiums in support of conservative candidates, that the governor is not such a dummy after all and a very modern women, etc. etc.
As others have said above, BHO’s speeches always lack details and specifics, throughout the primary season my number one complaint was he was so vague. When he gets to the point–ever–I will tune in. Until then, Cheney is a nice antidote to all this excitement about a man with a tan in the White House. (Note: I have no problem wih a man with a tan in the White House, I don’t like any American hating, apologist of any stripe)
A man who has lousy ideas about the economy, flip flops about as often as his head moves side to side reading from the remarks prepared for him on his twin telePs, has escalated the war in Afghanistan, has declared war on business and the “achievement gap”, and is not even trying to be President of the United States of America, just the states that lllooooovvveee him.
This week gave me more material for TEA party signs. Thank you Vague Barry and the Teleprompters.
17. Bilgeman:
Let a few more newspapers go belly up and a few rounds of downsizing in the MSM staff, and I betcha you’ll hear them howl like you’ve never heard before.
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I have heard the definition of a conservative is a liberal who’s just been mugged. The statist “liberals” are being mugged as much as the rest of us.
Here’s a UK Telegraph blog by Gerald Warner on obama and the CIA:
If al-Qaeda, the Taliban and the rest of the Looney Tunes brigade want to kick America to death, they had better move in quickly and grab a piece of the action before Barack Obama finishes the job himself. Never in the history of the United States has a president worked so actively against the interests of his own people – not even Jimmy Carter.
Obama’s problem is that he does not know who the enemy is. To him, the enemy does not squat in caves in Waziristan, clutching automatic weapons and reciting the more militant verses from the Koran: instead, it sits around at tea parties in Kentucky quoting from the US Constitution. Obama is not at war with terrorists, but with his Republican fellow citizens.
He has never abandoned the campaign trail. That is why he opened Pandora’s Box by publishing the Justice Department’s legal opinions on waterboarding and other hardline interrogation techniques. He cynically subordinated the national interest to his partisan desire to embarrass the Republicans. Then he had to rush to Langley , Virginia to try to reassure a demoralised CIA that had just discovered the President of the United States was an even more formidable foe than al-Qaeda.
“Don’t be discouraged by what’s happened the last few weeks,” he told intelligence officers. Is he kidding? Thanks to him, al-Qaeda knows the private interrogation techniques available to the US intelligence agencies and can train its operatives to withstand them – or would do so, if they had not already been outlawed.
So, next time a senior al-Qaeda hood is captured, all the CIA can do is ask him nicely if he would care to reveal when a major population centre is due to be hit by a terror spectacular, or which American city is about to be irradiated by a dirty bomb. Your view of this situation will be dictated by one simple criterion: whether or not you watched the people jumping from the twin towers…
President Pantywaist’s recent world tour, cosying up to all the bad guys, excited the ambitions of America ‘s enemies. Here, they realised, is a sucker they can really take to the cleaners.
His only enemies are fellow Americans. Which prompts the question: why does President Pantywaist hate America so badly?
“Under siege, the president was forced into a speech face-off with Dick Cheney, once the source of eye-rolling and derision from Democrats who couldn’t believe one of the least popular politicians in America could cause a stir.”
It wasn’t just a stir… it was many punches to the jaw!
We are in for a VERY rough 4 years unless enough Democrats in Congress can put their country ahead of party…
In Democrat eyes, party is country.
Everything starts with character, or lack thereof…
…the speech…revealed…a president who has great difficulty admitting error, who can’t discuss the position of his opponents without resorting to rank caricature, and who adopts an off-putting pose of above-it-all self-righteousness…A less self-consciously grandiose figure might feel the need to reflect on the fact that his simplistic prior positions had not fully taken account of the difficulties inherent in fighting the War on Terror. Not Obama. On the commissions, he explicitly denied changing his view, instead trumpeting cosmetic changes he’s proposed as major reforms that will bring them in line “with the rule of law.”
President Above-It-All
With unemployment remaining high, the fears of STAGFLATION thanks to President Obama’s Socialist agenda, & Gitmo all becoming albatrosses around Mr. President’s neck, I believe this is the hint of President Obama’s meltdown.
President Obama cannot lead since he is a follower.
Voting present as the President gets you nowhere. A pity Obama has not quite figured this out; he cannot be for something & against the same something. He must take a stand. This is something Obama will never do.
It certainly is time for America to gird its loins & ride out the storm. We will survive this Administration- we have always outlasted the presidents who were out of their league: James Buchanan whose desire to ride the fence on slavery was a major contribution to the Civil War; Warren Harding whose corrupt buddies knew no bounds; U.S. Grant who was a great American hero but also allowed corruption to run unfettered; Andrew Johnson whose Reconstruction policies delayed the healing of the US after the Civil War. We’ve survived greater economic crisis than we face now. Pick up a history book and read how broke we were right after we won the War of Independence and some of the other economic downturns we have faced. The great thing about America is we get an opportunity to correct our problems every 2 years.
#23 ked%:
“I have heard the definition of a conservative is a liberal who’s just been mugged. The statist “liberals” are being mugged as much as the rest of us.”
You know who the real losers of this mess are going to be?
Black Americans.
You’ve never seen or heard racist bigotry like you will hear and see when so-called Liberal White folks of means finally wake up to the fact that this half-black poseur has flim-flammed them to the extent that he has.
Do you recall how they treated Justice Clarence Thomas at his confirmation hearings? And do you not see how they still dismiss and marginalize him to this day?
And yet here is a man whose grandparents were someone’s property, who raised himself by some God-given ability, a little luck, and a lot of hard work to sit as a Justice in the Supreme Court that once told a man whose skin was just as black as his, that he was little more than a domesticated animal.
Shameful.
But here’s this poseur, this interloper,their hero, whose daddy crossed the ocean not in a slave ship, but on Pan-Am to attend a college rather than labor in the fields, who has used the accident of his melanin to usurp a legacy that he has no part of.
When the ofay Liberals turn on Obama, they won’t be so discriminating at which black people they target…they’re going to extract their pound of flesh from somebody…and anyone with black skin will do.
Not a good start for the day..
AP headline “Obama urges Americans to pay tribute to veterans.”
Makes me want to puke. Besides the obvious fact that he DETESTS and UNDERMINES our military, this constant self-righteous, pompous self-aggrandizing positioning is disgusting and infuriating. Thank you, O high and mighty One. And please do tell us what to do on the other holidays, we’re just dumb dolts out here who just crave your smothering guidance and control….
What’s so obvious is these dirt bags on his whole team are just exposing their own need to remind THEMSELVES what they’re supposed to be SEEN doing this weekend…urggggghhhhhh
Have a great weekend, patriots–some great folks on this site–your comments are insightful, fun and very encouraging! Keep on keeping on! And God bless all those serving our country and those who’ve sacrificed so much to give us the freedom we enjoy! Levin said it yesterday–those wonderful people did not die in vain and will not die in vain–the American people will not let this usurper destroy what they died to create and preserve! Take care.
Sickening. God help us out of this mess soon.
Ms. Rubin,
Why such pessimism? Do you doubt the omnipotence of a man whose mother in his own so truthful words got him up before dawn to study the principles in the U.S. Constitution before sending him off to school.
He remembers that trek to and from school very well. Four miles through a snowstorm, uphill, both ways.
It has stood him in good stead to deal with all the challenges created by his predecessor.
RE #18/ vivo: [...] But I rather have Obama leading the way than anyone else. He’s courageous enough to have inherited the mess we are in. [...]
Vivo, poor Soetorobot, “inherited the mess” is all what you got on today’s hymn page?
Should I remind you that even the liberal media (oxymoron) has gotten tired of Soetero pumping air, looking left & right like metronome, and naming every issue he’s screwing up (i.e. countless) as “inherited mess”? (The reports about Soetero’s Nat’l Archives speech are uniformly derogatory, even HuffPo advised him to get a speech writer).
Anyway, since we are just in the 120th day of Soetero’s term, we have ahead plenty of miseries, much of them resulting from this guy’s narcissistic incompetence.
Vivo, it’s about the time to ask your supervisors at your Soeterotroll Depot for better marching orders, because you and your pals who patroll this site have become simply laughing stock of the lowest grade.
vivo:
I don’t trust Republicans to solve the country’s problems. Democrats are not any better. But I rather have Obama leading the way than anyone else. He’s courageous enough to have inherited the mess we are in. If we don’t pull as a country, we’re doomed. So shut up and do the right thing.
Yes, if Obama fails it’s not because he quadrupled the deficit and changed the bankruptcy rules to favor the interests of his UAW supporters over investors or that he brought in Cap and Trade (even as it was obvious to the sentient that we entered a period of global cooling more than two years ago). Or that his green energy policies are the product of an economic greenhorn: no drilling + no nuclear energy = higher prices.
If he fails it’s because we all didn’t jump aboard this trainwreck.
And try not to remember that during the Bush years dissent was the highest form of patriotism.
Democrats are not any better.
It’s good to see, Vivo, that you are less disconnected from the real world than before.
“I don’t trust Republicans to solve the country’s problems. Democrats are not any better.”
True enough. Apparently though, Republicans trust the average American to solve their own problems infinitely more than the Democrats do. So, I’ll go with the Republicans if I have to choose the lesser of two evils.
“But I rather have Obama leading the way than anyone else. He’s courageous enough to have inherited the mess we are in.”
You’re obviously buying into the “It’s not my fault,” mantra. Even though he had four years in the Senate to effect actual positive change. Like getting involved in the efforts to reign in Fannie/Freddie in ’05. Oh that’s right. He was busy for over two of those years running for an office he was ill prepared to take on; mostly because he wasn’t fulfilling his Senatorial duties by, oh I don’t know … paying attention?
“If we don’t pull as a country, we’re doomed. So shut up and do the right thing.”
Because you obviously know what’s “right” and we rubes just refuse to follow your example – what ever that is. What you really mean is just “Shut up,” right?
What’s happened here is Obama spent more than a decade in politics and somehow is just now learning the basics. During the campaign season a comment was made, by whom I can’t remember to give credit, that the job of the Presidency does not lend itself to on the job training. But that’s what we did anyway. We hired a guy who had not been trained, even in the rudimentary sense, for the job and never took on the responsibility himself to learn. And still he continues to defend positions, which insurmountable evidence to the contrary discredits.
How can Obama accomplish anythig? He’s still running against G W Bush.His agenda is blame Bush for everything and destroy the country. I quit listening to him because he talks and talks and never says anything. Dick Cheney cleaned his clock and hope he continues to do so. The chickens are surely coming home to roost, and Obama will be in deep doo doo.
Great article.
I don’t trust Republicans to solve the country’s problems. Democrats are not any better. But I rather have Obama leading the way than anyone else. He’s courageous enough to have inherited the mess we are in. If we don’t pull as a country, we’re doomed. So shut up and do the right thing.
Inherited the mess? He’s aggressively metastatized it, and is vigorously growing it on a daily basis. Two billion dollars to his street army at ACORN? Stiff the bondholders and hand control of the Chrysler company to the bloated UAW? That’s not ‘courageous’, it’s corrupt. He’s a Chicago crook who’s doing a gang takeover of the US, to loot for the benefit of his cronies and the lefty-controlled Democratic party, at the expense of the rest of us.
It will take another year for the surviving media to wake up and realize that their fantasy Utopia aint gonna happen when the country’s busted and there aren’t any millionaires left to plunder. After that, he can make all the speeches he wants, but demonizing George Bush won’t be a sufficient defense – all the unemployed who thought the Mighty O would personally make their car payments will discover what a fraud that concept was.
If only the Republicans could discover some principles, and act on them…
Snake eaters (@1) certainly don’t need my defense of them…but since I understood the comment so well…I do not take the comment “this is going to be fun” as not caring about jobs lost or obama’s obvious lack of understand (Levi @8)being anything less than devastating and dangerous.
Some of the response to his ongoing collapse is simple relief, which will set the stage for people who know what they are doing to step in and right the ship.
Yesterday, I heard audio from a Democrat (and I’m paraphrasing) saying that somebody on obama’s auto task force needs to understand that destroying jobs cannot be sold as a way to save jobs. He even used the word “infrastructure” in his expressions of alarm over what is being destroyed THIS WEEK.
I find that possibly encouraging. (I have to say possibly…because you never know…)
If somebody in this bunch of yahoos (on both sides of the aisle, frankly) can grasp the fact that destroying auto dealerships actually reduces the number of cars sold and actually increases the # of jobless….well, then maybe somebody IS going to actually stop Soetero. Apparently these are complicated concepts for his highness and his Ivy League buddies. Idiots.
Don’t worry Folks, now the Subversive-in-Chief says that “we are out of money”.
And then he suggests that some more spending will solve the problem.
It’s on Drudge.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
[quote]Ms. Rubin, you hit a grand-slam home run with this column. However, one problem I see is that no matter how badly Obama messes up health care and the economy, or puts national security at risk, the media and the left (but I repeat myself) won’t call him on it, b/c he’s “one of them.” Yes, bond markets can’t be spun and unemployment can’t be ignored, but the left can and will endure a lot of pain in order to protect their Messiah.[/quote]
Remember, the press was also in bed with Carter in 1977 but even their water carrying could not keep his ineptness from shining through. Today we at least have talk radio, the internet and one cable network.
We’re angry. We’re not . . . We’re gonna fight back. We’re gonna lay low . . . We’re gonna revolt. We’re gonna wait . . . Obama’s driving the market down. The market rising doesn’t matter . . . Bush and Cheney don’t represent us. Bush and Cheney are our heroes . . . You can’t call the CIA liars. It was different when we called the CIA liars . . . MSM journalism is dead. Obama likes spicy mustard . . . Limbaugh is our spiritual visionary. Limbagh is a radio host . . . We’re gonna call the Democrats names. Or maybe not . . . We’re a big tent party. We don’t want any RINOs. . . . We’re not a one-issue party. We’re the right to life party . . . We support our military. Colin Powell is a traitor . . . We need more Jack Bauer. Jack Bauer makes me wanna puke. . . etc.
The real question is . . . are you going to focus on building a strong unified voice for progress in America? Or are you going to reply with a list of the other party’s contradictions? You see, that’s one of the benefits of being part of the party in power right now, part of a strong unified community – we can afford the time have fun poking you plebes in the eye. You, on the other hand, are faced with the choice – stand on our own strengths – or admit in private that you have none, recognize that you’re unable to establish a clear and consistent philosophy, and thus resolve to spend all your time and effort attacking the Democrat Socialist Party?
Pass the popcorn indeed.
Things must going really bad for Obama when even Vivo looks he is defending him just because they are in the same party and that his heart is no longer at it.. If things follow this trend soon Obama will become the first president ever to have negative approval rates. And there will be joy in heaven when Vivo sees the light and becomes an arm dragging, gun toting, bible thumping republican.
Check here for related prosperity-crushing legislation brought to you by the Democrats and Obama:
http://templeofmut.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/nation-wide-cap-and-trade-tea-party-tax-revolt/
http://www.box.net/shared/sr63oeoz9z
And this is a citizen’s analysis:
The Bill, designated H.R. 2454 and entitled “American Clean Energy and Security”, reads like a horror story. It is the single most destructive Bill for this Country that I have ever read — and I read the Stimulus Bill!
I will give you examples of some of the more detrimental effects of the Bill, should it be enacted, and how this will affect each one of us. Sensible energy policy is one of the most important issues we will face at this time. We must join together to stop this Bill in the House and the Senate, because this proposed legislation is deeply flawed. Please check out the links added to this fact sheet and call Representatives and Senators and tell them to vote NO on HR. 2454!!!
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On May 14, 2009, House Energy and Commerce Chairman Waxman (D-CA) and Energy and Environment Subcommittee Chairman Markey (D-MA) released their updated “American Clean Energy and Security” legislation, including proposed allowance allocations for the cap-and-tax regime. The Energy and Commerce Committee will mark up the bill during the week of May 18, 2008.
“If you didn’t auction the permits it would represent the largest corporate welfare program that has ever been enacted in the history of the United States. All of the evidence suggests that what would occur is that corporate profits would increase by approximately the value of the permits. “
—Peter Orszag, then-CBO Director
Congressional Testimony, 2007
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This Bill ensures that the US will lose jobs in a big way. Millions of jobs will move overseas because manufacturers will not be able to commit to the new standards as specified by this Bill. By the way, there is no qualification for who drew up these standards and I have seen no science to support the claims of this Bill!!
Most of the technology that this Bill addresses and believes should be implemented does not exist today. For instance, the Carbon Capture and Sequestration portion of this Bill has no tried and true science behind it. There are only a few places even researching the ability to Capture Carbon and those doing it say we are 30 years out from the technology. How then does the Congress and the Administration expect us to implement this program now? Not to mention the potential hazards associated with the untested storage protocols proposed for the sequestered carbon dioxide gas. For example, in 1986. an explosion of natural carbon dioxide (CO2) in Lake Nyos west of Cameroon killed 1700 people and livestock 25 km away. And this was a natural act caused by CO2 seeping from beneath the lake. The diluted carbon dioxide generated via our current fossil fuel technologies seems less threatening in real-world terms.
Nuclear power research will be halted and not used as an option for an alternative source of tried and true energy. Financial aid will be given to car companies to build more plug-in hybrids cars. There is no clear definition of the cost of this assistance to the now government-owned-companies.
There is very little justification of costs defined in any portion if this Bill. It allows the government to determine what kind of appliances you are able to purchase and use. The Bill even permits the government to shut off the power to those who are deemed as using too much energy — and that means homes as well as businesses.
This Bill will cripple already struggling business because it mandates public buildings adhere to an even more stringent standard for energy use. Therefore, business owners will likely opt to not hire or keep people — their energy use cost will go up exponentially for each hour they use power and each person that uses power! And this mandated doesn’t just affect manufacturing entities. Office buildings with computers will be regulated and have to adhere to these standards as well.
The government will also tell you which type of light bulbs you can use on your patio or in your home. Energy standards will be put on Jacuzzis, hot food cabinets, and water dispensers. It will allow government to invade your life at every level. They want to make it a federal crime to buy and sell appliances that are not meeting their standards. The Bill allows for the Attorney General to prosecute those that who sell products not in line with the standards!
And the best part is that the Bill allows for more money to go to the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now (ACORN)! ACORN will be funded to the tune of $50 million dollars annually for 5 years so they can provide financing for energy efficiency projects and increased conservation in low income, rural an urban areas! Given their success related to ACORN’s involvement with home loans under Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (Federal National Mortgage Association and Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation), it is worrisome indeed to have it involved in another federal program of this magnitude.
These are just a few of the highlights of this legislation. If this doesn’t scare you nothing will! Obama wants to push CO2 emissions back to the number of 1907 before the automobile went viral and he will put us all back to pre-industrial revolution standards for our quality of life. Who will be able to afford to even use energy after this passes? None of us! The Bill is slated to raise energy costs for most Americans to 5 times current levels. Perhaps, ACORN officials and highly placed special interest politicos may not be as affected.
Provided below are links to the legislation summary prepared for Congressional members and other important sites for your information on the subject!
Sincrerely,
Dawn Wildman
President
Southern California Tax Revolt Coaltion
dawn.wildman@socaltaxrevoltcoalition.org
“He’s courageous enough to have inherited the mess we are in.”
What he hell are you smoking Vivo? This, like most of your comments, makes absolutely no sense. Or do you simply post the first kneejerk inanity that springs from your defective intellect?
..do you suppose that the two trolls, vivio and sheesh</i, are posting more now because they have been laid off and have so much time on their hands?
Hey, vivio, your mom called. Time to come out of the basement and eat your breakfast.
Soon the question vivo and other Democrats will be asking is: do I respect Obama more than I respect myself?
35. J Milam: . .. .”You’re obviously buying into the “It’s not my fault,” mantra. Even though he had four years in the Senate to effect actual positive change.”
And the positive change being effected by Senate Republicans is . . .
If somebody in this bunch of yahoos (on both sides of the aisle, frankly) can grasp the fact that destroying auto dealerships actually reduces the number of cars sold and actually increases the # of jobless….well, then maybe somebody IS going to actually stop Soetero. Apparently these are complicated concepts for his highness and his Ivy League buddies. Idiots.
Not complicated if you’ve bought into the algorean fantasy that the only way to save the world from nonexistent AGW is to destroy all that is not green.
Or, perhaps he only pretends to swallow whole the AGW fantasy. Follow the money. What stocks are Obama’s “family” buying?
As difficult as it’s going to be, we conservatives must step back and allow this administration to drive the car off the cliff. We MUST allow the public to finally associate the dark side of Marxism with the Dems/Libs. If they want to call us the Party of No, embrace it. Call them the Party of Yes.
The trick will be in limiting the wreckage to just the Marxist/liberal ideals. If we are ready with the fire hoses, we can move in quickly and become the heroes.
But for now, lay low, Conservatives. Opportunity lies just around the bend.
Quoting D-wah: Not a good start for the day….AP headline “Obama urges Americans to pay tribute to veterans.”
Ah, I took that to me he was not going to pay tribute so we should. No problem.
I support our military and veterans each and every day. To the families separated by a tour of duty, I hope you will be reunited soon. To families who lost loved ones (as has mine), our heroes live forever, in our hearts and minds. May we be worthy of their sacrifices.
Bilgeman 5: Rt. “Constitution, Shmonstitution. I’m busy here fixing an evil, selfish country.” This is O-reverser’s underlying mantra, and it’s working. Up is down, right is wrong, stealing is fair, lying is justified, on and on. The scary part is how the mush-minded in this country are eating it up and haven’t a clue where he’s taking us. Or mindless idiots like sheesh k-boob who know it’s true and still frantically and goose-steppingly attack anything that dares to articulate it as if it’s a personal affront. I guess it would be if your life depended on a creepy hologram and the truth would burst the bubble. You can see why all the dopers get off on Oblander. “Imagine there’s no rules, so sense of good and bad…imagine all the people, living in Obama-land…ooooo ooooo oooo ooo ooo…..
#41 Songs My Lefties Taught Me:
Obama has betrayed us over Gitmo…No Reid has done it. Ob has kept the power to waterboard for himself…That’s good, somebody has to do it…No, there is no excuse to ever do it…It’s OK to do it if you use mineral water…No you also have to use real wood, but not any wood from the rain forests…Obama is doing a great job…No he is imitating Bush’s security policies…That’s bad because Bush’s policies worked thereby keeping us safe which is bad for us but good for Bush…Nancy looks bad for not objecting to torture when she had the chance…No she never had the chance…No she had the chance but just forgot all about it. Could happen to anyone.
Sorry, here is more:
A disc jockey had himself waterboarded…A dick jockey can withstand waterboarding? That’s bad…No that’s good cause he has now issued a pronunciamento that it really IS torture..but that’s bad because he looks completely healthy and happy as if nothing had happened to him at all.
vivo;” But I rather have Obama leading the way than anyone else. He’s courageous enough to have inherited the mess we are in. If we don’t pull as a country, we’re doomed. So shut up and do the right thing.”
you have just surpassed even the mighty sheesh in despenser of laughable nitwittery.congratulations….no small feat.
still a strong second in the idiot race; “You see, that’s one of the benefits of being part of the party in power right now, part of a strong unified community”
that line is a hoot for sure …sheesh,you should really turn the news on once in awhile.
I’m turning the channel from now on every time 0bama does one of his mind-grating speeches. He talks more to himself than to anyone else [read: mentally masterbates to his own voice] as if he’s 0bama’s gift to 0bama with his chin always jerking upwards in his “I’m the ONE who WON” buffalo stance. When I hear his droning, self-loving voice on the snooze, my fists clench and my ears remind my mind that I’d rather hear nails on a chalkboard than ‘HIS’ voice.
Is he a Marxist? Well, Delia thinks so.
#48
Terry, have you ever considered this?
This is the most ambitious project ever undertaken by the Left, or even mankind itself. I refer of course to the Obama-backed Gore plan to attempt to manage the average temperature of the earth to within a few tenths of a degree Centigrade, up or down , on an annual basis. This is something even God, or nature if you prefer, has never been able to do. All they are waiting for is a decision by the president on what the ideal average temperature should be.
ked5″I have heard the definition of a conservative is a liberal who’s just been mugged. The statist “liberals” are being mugged as much as the rest of us.”
they’re not being mugged….their being punked so hard that their head’s smacking the bedboard…oh,poor shame……i just wish i could do more for them other than sit back and watch…..while erupting in pure glee.
I am looking forward to watching this idiot go down in flames. He shucked and jived his way into the office of President, unaware of how difficult the job really is. If he shows his face on t.v. I turn it off. I cannot stand to see him or hear that droning, boring voice, spouting double talk. He is going to go down as the worst president in the history of this country.
I’m not in a good mood. Everything is dark. That being said: I’ve often wondered how an economy based on ever growing ever expanding parameters works when their are no more frontiers and population decreases. Throw corporate piracy into the mix where a tiny (well small anyway) % of the elite garner the vast majority of money and resources to themselves at the expense of the lower classes and well …. it just doesn’t sound viable to me.
Western Capitalism works because of wealth redistribution. Pure capitalism is feudalism. We had a system where enough money circulated that a wonderfully productive and rewarding society was possible for many decades. I just can’t see how that can be maintained any longer. We have empty houses and empty commercial real estate EVERYWHERE. I guess we could pay people to go out and tear down the older stuff and put in parks. We can’t really have much of a manufacturing business anymore when much of the rest of the world pays slave wages and builds stuff serviceable enough anyway.
So we had a system going whereby because the entire middle class had more of everything than they could possibly need and took on more debt than people should ever take on …. things looked good for a while as our house of cards began to shake and go unstable. We can’t just build another house of cards. Capitalism failed. It failed due to dishonest capitalists and it will do so again due to a general lack of morality in these days. Now its socialism’s chance and THAT will enslave us all.
47. sheesh scrawls:
“And the positive change being effected by Senate Republicans is . . .”
Opposing, as best they can, the crap that the vapid Obama and his lame-assed treasury secratary and Pelosi and Reid are doing to wreck the economy of this nation.
RE # 41/sheesh: [...] The real question is . . . are you going to focus on building a strong unified voice for progress in America? [...]
Shish-kebob, back from your MoveOn cesspool to defend Barry Soetoro? His crapissim speech where he assigned even Pluto’s wobbliness on W?
Shishkebob, you wallow in lies, you love lies, you thrive in lies, Soetero’s age provides a Niagara of them, lies – hey, you are a progressive.
And what Monty Python outtake is this, “progress in America [w/ the Dems in power]?”
60 . . . So, the party of no. I’d stick with that. That’s working so well up to now.
61 missanthropicus . . . What lies?
58. MaryB,
I wish I could share your enthusiasm, but alas, I cannot because our Country has become so dumbed down it is a long running joke that is choking out the people who are intelligent and actually can think a thought for themselves.
Imagine [if you will] all of the illiterate people who voted for 0bama, then couple that with people who hate ‘whitey’, then triple that with people with ‘whitey guilt’ and voila… DohBama!
Dohbama ‘pipe dreams’ perfected lies to the masses of idiots who can barely grasp words and their meanings. Barry’s smug attitude exudes in every ‘speech’ or ‘conference’ he makes. Dohbama gives me the distinct feeling that he knows his followers are butt-crazy, retarded both emotionally, spiritually and most of all, intellectually challenged.
The ‘doh’-ing down of America is here. Pasteurised, politically correct thoughts for everyone!
Welcome to the USSA.
Holy crap. How’s this for an interview?
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashocs.htm
#58 Mary & #55 Delia: You appear to be at the stage I was at during the primaries! The only time I ever could force myself to listen to him was during the debates.
people have been advocating “going galt”lately…some people have been figuring out ways to stop the goverment for awhile now…..i bring you “bleedng the beast” via the mormons:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/05/how-polygamy-affects-your-wallet.html
and of course……a tried and true lefty favorite,the cloward-piven stratagy(they credited saul alinsky for their inspiration,btw)worked miracles in new york!
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/theclowardpivenstrategypoe.html
to quote the great scar face;”you wanna play rough?..okay..we can pay rough!”
#64
Oh that’s nothing, shaui. It’s just Cooper probably talking about Obama, Geithner, and the Dems in Congress.
“”Their religious belief is that they’ll bleed the beast, meaning the government,” said Mark Shurtleff, Utah’s attorney general. “They hate the government, so they’ll bleed it for everything they can through welfare, tax evasion and fraud.”"
One can only hope that while roosting, those chickens lay a lot of big, rotten eggs.
Oh, wait, those are what we’re being handed by Obama and Congress.
Guess the only thing to do is throw ‘em back where they belong.
To #30 (Bilgeman): I don’t believe that conservative Americans care one whit about the color of Obama’s skin. What they care about is that he was completely unqualified for this job. If blacks are big losers here, it is only going to be because they voted for him simply because of the color of his skin.
59.scott;”Western Capitalism works because of wealth redistribution.”
what?”wealth redistribution” is a socialistic idea…it has nothing to do with capitalism,it is the exact opposite.
capitalism is like heating your home with a fireplace….if you do not tend to the flame correctly and it burns down your house….is it the fire’s fault?
#68 Linguist:
“I don’t believe that conservative Americans care one whit about the color of Obama’s skin.”
Oh, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some who do, but I wasn’t talking about conservative white Americans.
Problem is if the chickens come home to roost too quickly, the voters will blame Bush not Obama. Add oil rising nearly $20 since Obama took office. His reckless spending has weakend the dollar sending oil spiraling 30% even as unemployment rises.
“”“But I rather have Obama leading the way than anyone else. He’s courageous enough to have inherited the mess we are in.”
The day GW Bush walked out the door, the US according to CNN had a $569b budget deficit. Obama has made it much much worse with porkulus, more bailouts and increasing overall federal spending 7-8%. On top of that was his violating the 5 amendment with regards to Chrysler boldholders and dealers. Oh yeah and Iraq is getting more violent
#67.fred beloit.
heh.touch’e……
sheesh.no is the word a responsible people use most when dealing with a ignorant,self destuctive person or a child…usualy when they want something that is harmful or simply just a really bad idea.if the shoe fits……..
Oh, poor little Obama isn’t used to the fact that running the most powerful country on the planet isn’t as easy as it seemed during the election. The campaign is over and the slogans are now getting old. Now it’s time to actually govern, something he has absolutely no experience in and has never even tried. Obama never held an executive position anywhere and he never ran a city or a state, let alone a major corporation. This is what you get when you elect somebody based on a marketing strategy rather than someone with experience or a track record for actually doing something in government. This is disgusting. Obama was packaged by the media to sell to the American public just like tires, cars, or hamburgers are marketed for public consumption. And guess what? Americans bought it. They bought the slogans and the glitzy media and the fancy speeches. And all of that means nothing, absolutely nothing, when it comes to the very hard work of governing and actually having to achieve results. Now where are we? We are sinking ever deeper into a sea of red ink and the stagflation that’s coming our way is going to make the failures of the Jimmy Carter presidency seem like “the good old days.” Next time, America, look at what a person has achieved in life and the actual, real-world, experience they have, rather than what Madison Avenue is trying to sell you.
Oh, poor little Obama isn’t used to the fact that running the most powerful country on the planet isn’t as easy as it seemed during the election. The campaign is over and the slogans are now getting old. Now it’s time to actually govern, something he has absolutely no experience in and has never even tried. Obama never held an executive position anywhere and he never ran a city or a state, let alone a major corporation. This is what you get when you elect somebody based on a marketing strategy rather than someone with experience or a track record for actually doing something in government. This is disgusting. Obama was packaged by the media to sell to the American public just like tires, cars, or hamburgers are marketed for public consumption. And guess what? Americans bought it. They bought the slogans and the glitzy media and the fancy speeches. And all of that means nothing, absolutely nothing, when it comes to the very hard work of governing and actually having to achieve results. Now where are we? We are sinking ever deeper into a sea of red ink and the stagflation that’s coming our way is going to make the failures of the Jimmy Carter presidency seem like “the good old days.” Next time, America, look at what a person has achieved in life and the actual, real-world, experience they have, rather than what Madison Avenue is trying to sell you.
What we’re seeing in President Obama is the result of electing someone to a job three or four pay grades above his ability to perform. In civilian employment, that usually leads to severe problems and leads to being fired. There’s no incentive (yet) for the Democrats to impeach Mr. Unqualified from the presidency, but that may change. Unfortunately, the top ten people to take his place (from Joe Biden down) are equally as unqualified to hold the job.
The campaign is over and the slogans are now getting old. Now it’s time to actually govern, something he has absolutely no experience in and has never even tried. Obama never held an executive position anywhere and he never ran a city or a state, let alone a major corporation. This is what you get when you elect somebody based on a marketing strategy rather than someone with experience or a track record for actually doing something in government.
I like to use the Democrats as examples of the paradox of two infinities, the infinitely large and the infinitely small. One the one hand, the Democrats ability to talk a good game to get elected is infinitely large. On the other hand, their ability to actually govern is infinitely small.
vivo & sheesh, you are included in my prayers, too. All of us suffer the incompetency of zero administration one way or another – higher taxes, inflation, deflation, stagflation, terror anxiety, loss of life of the born and unborn. Holy God, Holy Mighty One, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us and the whole world.
#1 Snake eater: Leftists are often raped by reality. Pass the popcorn watching this one go down is going to be fun.
But…will it be just as funny if Reverend Wright is raped by the chickens? I WANT TO KNOW!!!
Obama is a polsdhed speaker who fits all the right looks and subgroups to play to the professional victim mentality of so many Americans. It was easy for him to run a campaign of rebuke and criticize when the press was giving him cover for every one of his mistakes and flaws. But now he has to make the decisions and he is not making very many good ones. He cannot lead this country in the same way he ran his shallow, meaningless campaign and the reality of that is turning into a disaster.
I pray there are enough thinking Americans left and a good leader on the horizon to get the ship turned in the right direction.
#63 Delia…You crack me up. You are more entertaining than anything on television.
The modern day Democrat party is the party of urban snobs, and atheist. If the GOP cannot make this obvious to all Americans, they need to get out of politics.
You see, that’s one of the benefits of being part of the party in power right now, part of a strong unified community – we can afford the time have fun poking you plebes in the eye.
“Plebes,” eh? Fine. That means I don’t have to spend time being polite to a socialist twit like you.
Do you think this is a game?
Your party is spending money like a drunken sailor… no, that’s wrong. Drunken sailors spend their own money. You are spending money like a teenage girl with daddy’s credit card, and the card is maxed out. You idiots have managed to make George W. Bush’s spending look like Ebeneezer Scrooge. There will be consequences. There will be high inflation, high unemployment, higher taxes on everyone (not just the hated rich).
I’m old enough to remember the Carter Administration; Democrats controlled congress, the White House, were coming out of an unpopular war and a scandal-ridden administration. Things looked bright for them. There were those who thought that the Republicans wouldn’t hold power for decades, if ever.
Four years of incompetence in economic and foreign policy led to the Democrats getting STOMPED FLAT. That is the future of your party, troll.
Enjoy power. You won’t have it for long.
The President’s solutions are indeed evolving. They change from day to day. And the inadequacy of each day’s proffered solution, necessitates a new solution the next day. He and his coterie are playing by ear. They have no plan other than to “buy” votes by federal money giveaways. That will of necessity fail because the recipients will always find reason to claim more. Unfortunately the day of reckoning will come in the future. The present administration is concerned only with today. They have no plan for tomorrow except more of the same. The collapse will be someone else’s problem. In the meantime they are destroying what made America so great.
Western Capitalism works because of wealth redistribution.
No. Not even close.
Obama + “courageous” = LOL!! C’mon Sheesh. You’re scrapping the bottom of the talking points barrel now. I’m smelling desperation.
One thing I’ve noticed about the left-wing trolls that haunt conservative bogs and forums: of late, they aren’t even TRYING to defend Obama’s actions anymore. Instead, they attack. Attack, distract, insult (well, they always did that last one anyway).
C’mon, lefties, show us why all of this ridiculous spending is needed. Fill us in on the deep wisdom of President Teleprompter’s policies. Assure us that quadrupling the deficit is necessary. Reassure us that Obama isn’t going to wreck health care. We’re waiting.
“John, it’s been your president who you said you agreed with 90 percent of the time who presided over this increase in spending. This orgy of spending and enormous deficits; you voted for almost all of his budgets.”
-Barack Obama, 9/26/2008
The Obama Cheney debate is Washington DC Politics, nothing more. If the Terrorist make another strike on a USA City, this debate would not even be remembered. A bunch of Bravo Sierra.
Both Bush and Obama have hundreds of experts advising them on the “Economy” and how to resolve these current problems. They all appear to agree to print more money and spend their way out of the recession. Even though, this plan has never worked, never. How does this happen that all of the Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Chicago grads, do not believe history. We are for sure headed toward inflation and maybe Stagflation.
The American Economy will need to lead the Global Economy out of this recession.
Unless the Obama Team stand back and allow Corporations to start growing their business, we are in trouble. By closing Auto Dealers and not allowing the “Market” to work,and fronting for the UAW, we will not see GM or Chrysler become effective manufacturing companies again.
We have to thank the Republicans and Democrats both for this mess. The Professional Politician, The Political Class, which includes large Corporations and Politicians. We will need to correct this problem before any real change can be started. Soon.
RE #86/Evil Otto: [...] One thing I’ve noticed about the left-wing trolls that haunt conservative bogs and forums: of late, they aren’t even TRYING to defend Obama’s actions anymore. Instead, they attack. Attack, distract, insult (well, they always did that last one anyway). [...]
You’re right, Otto: Shishkebob, Vivo, POM & cie. sound pretty discouraged, probably Barry Soetero doesn’t pay them as he promised (dope & debit cards) – bellow also is a quote from Shishkebob itself, a screed which sums up pretty well the Soeterotrolls’ views and mental possibilities:
#103. sheesh.: “You idiots think you can defeat me but you cannot because I will come back with new usernames to toy with your tiny little minds and there is nothing you can do about it. Yes I get paid to post here and so what…are you jealous? My gay friends and I are going to kick all your butts at the polls next election because gay power is going to put you hetero dinosaurs into extinction. Gay power!” May 5, 2009 – 7:59 pm, on Jennifer Rubin’s “The lawless President”
Also, they impersonate regular posters, trying to confuse everyone, as it happened when I confronted him (Shiskebob) with the above “confession”, to which he responded with the following (under MY SCREEN NAME):
“125. misanthropicus: (actually Shishkebob):
I can’t live with myself anymore. I’m full of shit. There, I said it. You see, in that post I referred to a sheesh comment in which he admitted to being a paid gay poster. Yes, I wrote that post using his name. Of course there were two parts of my strategy that didn’t quite hold up. Part #1 – I can’t write like sheesh, which is obvious to anyone who read it. Part #2 – I used my fake post to suggest that no one respond to sheesh thus avoiding his relentless and stinging rhetorical victories on his mission to defend truth, justice, and the “real” American way. I should have known better. I feel better. Thank you.
May 14, 2009 – 3:22 pm”
A liberal, by any other name is still a gooey jerk and Shishkebob & cie are a vivid illustrations of this situation – go ahead, fools, power to ACORN and MOVEONOrg… ’till you’ll all end up in the federal prison.
I’ll add to their manifestations of enlightenment is impersonation of one or another regular posteras, as Shishkebob did
#34 – I disagree with your statement that Obama “changed the bankruptcy rules.” In actuality, he used the government’s TARP and TANF leverage on the secured creditors to force them to agree to terms in a prepackaged bankruptcy. Had the secured creditors been able to withstand the government’s pressure and hung together, the court would have had no alternative but to follow the classification rules for claims laid out in the Bankruptcy Code. The secured creditors would then have been first in line (after the attorneys, of course) for distribution of their rightful share of the bankrutpcy estate. Of course, there would have been massive litigation that to get to that point (called an “adversary proceeding” in bankruptcy), which would have taken years most likely. I think this is what the administration was desperate to avoid, because this would have put the UAW contracts out there for all to see.
sheesh gets paid to post here? Interesting.
Today he told the world we are out of money.
And I thought he was supposed to be some sort of brilliant Chicago community organizer con man.
He can’t even run a good ponzi scheme.
91.fear Obama (and I do)
He makes me sick. In the last ten days he has, in rapid order:
1. Sunk us in even deeper with the auto commitments
2. Lecture us about spending too much money.
3. Now announces that we’re out of money.
This fool apparently has absolutely zero capacity to understand how he is perceived. His arrogance and the bright light shining from him is supposed to blind us all, I guess.
Nobody who hated his guts deeply could even have scripted the crap that he is dishing out day after day after day. I wonder if the world is going to stop laughing and just start staring.
My fondest expectation now is that one day soon he will be making some kind of significant live public appearance and that, as he enters and begins to speak, there is dead silence at the venue. Further, that there is NO response from the audience through his entire presentation, and complete silence when he is done.
I’m beginning to seriously wonder how deep his mental problems go. It may be far worse (sociopathically speaking) than anyone has speculated.
But, having seen what we have, I would say anyone should feel free to speculate away–because the reality he presents again and again is, as I said, far far worse than anything we would have accused him of planning.
Time for the Oil Companies to make the states an offer they can’t refuse, before Obama does!
The 53% sure are in for a very hard lesson. My worry is that not enough of them will understand what is happening and why. They get their snippets from the MSM Ministry of Information. The cognitive dissonance is going to be massive.
As an equities analyst, not a bond man (but understanding how the pricing of bonds works), I knew this was coming. It’s going to get a lot worse.
I am extremely angry at the people who voted for Obonga.
@89
Thank you for your attention to my post. I used the expression changed the bankruptcy rules as a short form. I’m aware that POTUS can’t legislate. He can however threaten people not to insist upon their legal rights. The effect of the thuggery, or frankly fascism-lite is the same: loss of investor confidence and decreased investment.
It is too early to write BO off. He still has considerable power and ability to make things much worse in the financial area. we are so screwed.
BO had a chance to be real, to face reality, but he chose not to. now with debt as far as the eye can see, his options are very limited.
the debt will be monetized, it is the only way out. he simply does not have the will to impose a $3 a gallon tax on gasoline, or other serious measures to start to correct the debt.
as a result our 401 Ks and other investments will be worthless soon, and we can plan on working until we die.
the UAW is simply not even relevant. it is a drop in the bucket.
it is the entitlement programs that are eating our lunch, and this is not the time to start another one. the ones we have SS, medicare etc etc have to be fixed first.
If Obama says he’s out of money, will his astroturf trolls get paid?
Maybe that’s what worries them.
i would love to meet sheeesh,,,,
he would finally meet history…
fear Obama:
Today he told the world we are out of money.
And I thought he was supposed to be some sort of brilliant Chicago community organizer con man.
He can’t even run a good ponzi scheme.
you said it better than all of us
#88 misanthropicus: that is extremely disturbing.
shaui jan,
Sorry. We’ve never had a completely capitalistic system here in America. Maybe prior to the 16th amendment but surely not since. We’ve been heavy into wealth redistribution for many many decades. And it worked. But really there really is only so much pie to go around and once too many decided they had to have more more more. The merry-go-round stopped.
I wish I had real money. I’d move it and me to some S American paradise and live like most of the world’s rich people do. Princes.
But then God would not be happy with me nor I with myself. I’ll just hang out here proclaiming The Kingdom until I croak. Treasure in heaven really is a better way to go you know.
100. Chris in Toronto
You think that’s bad, you should see things from inside MY head. Honestly, I worry that I drift so quickly. I’m considering Ritalin. It has shown in tests to have a calming effect on people with ICS or Identity Confusion Syndrome. Whoever I want to be is fine, really it is. No one here is going to pass judgment on me or think any less of me that they already do. Trust me, that’s not possible.
Now I know it’s a long holiday weekend and the appropriate prescriptions may be difficult to come by on such short notice. For now, I’ll calm myself with some Glenn Beck YouTube videos and a tub of anything that says “triple chocolate” on the label. If things get too “fuzzy” in the “comprehension” zone, I’ll proceed immediately to the nearest military recruiting station. They will make sure I am safe, fed, clothed and given opportunities for college. There’s only only one way I, misundersetimatedthropocuisisum, can be all that I can be, and that’s to stabilize my grip on reality. I’m off to a good start. Keep up the good work, me, no matter who I am. The next time we meet, just act like this conversation never happened. I will, and so will I.
Everyone from the right can Bit*h all you want about who was elected, go ahead.
Just what do you expect when you run a McCain as your candidate? The right gave the left exactly what they wanted in an opponent. The right handed the Presidency to the dems on a silver platter again.
The right was not willing to put up a real conservative, someone with intelligence and beliefs that stand for basic conservative values.
The GOP is mired in their Old School mentality. The old guard of the GOP is over. Running John McCain, what a joke.
But that does not mean conservatism is over, it is the only thing that will save this country. It is the very bedrock that this great nation was founded on. But it cannot be the lame brand of conservatism that we had for the previous decade. I will give GWB the credit he is due for protecting us all for the past 7 years, I thank him every day for that, and he DID warn us multiple times about fannie & freddie which fell on deaf ears. I think the war over whelmed him in the end and other important areas suffered because of it.
Can the right change their ways? Doubtful, Politicians are a pathetic bunch they are. The degeneration of American politicians is utterly criminal. Thats what the majority of them have become , criminals,
gaming the American political system for personal gain.
True conservative values are good for America and good for everyone that is an American.
Now the MSM and the left will continue to convince you that all that conservatives are all a bunch of far right wing holy rollers but that is simply not the truth, not by a long shot. The facts are that the Left with the help of the MSM has Americans thinking that liberalism is the mainstream medium and conservatism is from the Far Way Out Right. That Is simply NOT TRUE.
The left has mastered the art of Propaganda.
Conservative values believe that we the people are the solution, not the lame ass government. Give people the tools to make something with their life and get the heck out of their way. That is all we need from the government not some over bearing over taxing corrupt pack of self serving thieving politicians.
The political class in this country have become our worst nightmare. They are the enemy of this great Republic.
Taking by force from those that produce something and giving it to those that are there for the free ride will always end in failure.
How long before the producers either quit supporting those that don’t want to produce themselves or move on to a country that has more favorable system.
Redistribution of wealth or Socialism or whatever new name you want to give it has never worked. If it did then why is not Russia the dominate world power?
Why do people from oppressive Communist or Socialist countries risk extreme hardships even death to get out and come to America?
To many Americans have become such pus****.
90 Leigh B . . . Yes, I get paid to post here. And I have to brag a little bit, I make more than any other “flare” as we’re known in the biz. I’ve made $18,000 (AFTER TAXES!) since the April 15. (Yes Tea Bag Parties were very very good to me.) This’ll blow your mind – whyaminotsurprised, Bilgeman, Meryl, myth buster – all “flares” paid by different special interests. Wild, huh?
104 and half . . . I’m starting to spin . . . where’s my triple chocolate? Is that you, Sanjaya? I’m hearing sounds from inside the wall. They sound like . . . “sheesh.” I don’t eve know where Eureka is!
the square root of 28 . . . Shishkebbob . . . or is it Ishkabibble? I’m looking for the name of Jimmy Carter. Can you help me out? I hear he pays you to babble, and I want to get paid for babbling, too. Wait, I AM getting paid to babble. Isn’t that great! OK, cool. See you in trig tomorrow! B-Bye! and don’t worry, you can borrow my hernia truss.
Somebody should stop this lunatic – maybe go by his cardboard tent to make sure he’s not tying himself up with shoe laces and dental floss. Any compassionate conservatives out there?
i would love to meet elvis,,,, he would finally meet his biological father
82. Evil Otto . . . “Do you think this is a game?”
I KNOW it is a game.
“The bottom line: this week was one in which reality rudely intruded into the Obama feel-good continual campaign. The bond markets can’t be spun. The unemployment figures can’t be ignored. The value of the U.S. dollar can’t be sustained when we are printing gobs of dollars. And neither congressional Democrats nor the American people can be convinced it makes sense to move hardened terrorists from a distant, secure location to their neighborhood prison for the sake of currying favor with the American Left and European opinion makers.”
And to think, Obama caused all this starting February. I wish Bush and Cheney were running things again. What was really comforting about those two was how everything that happened during their administration was someone else’s fault. The economic crisis that began two years ago, was obviously Obama’s fault, although none of us would no that until March 2009. Nine Eleven…who could expect an administration to take responsibility for something that happened in the 7 month of their administration. That’s not fair. No, wait, you know what I mean. It was obviously unfair to blame nine eleven on Obama because that was obviously Clinton’s fault. But its totally fair to blame everything that happened in the past 8 years on Obama. Obviously.
vivo @ 18: “He’s courageous enough to have inherited the mess we are in.”
You really do not realize how stupid you are, do you? Seriously.
30. Bilgeman:
#23 ked%:
“I have heard the definition of a conservative is a liberal who’s just been mugged. The statist “liberals” are being mugged as much as the rest of us.”
You know who the real losers of this mess are going to be?
Black Americans.
You’ve never seen or heard racist bigotry like you will hear and see when so-called Liberal White folks of means finally wake up to the fact that this half-black poseur has flim-flammed them to the extent that he has.
Do you recall how they treated Justice Clarence Thomas at his confirmation hearings? And do you not see how they still dismiss and marginalize him to this day?
When the ofay Liberals turn on Obama, they won’t be so discriminating at which black people they target…they’re going to extract their pound of flesh from somebody…and anyone with black skin will do.
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But was Clarence Thomas maliciously attacked becuase of his race, or his politics? I think the latter – blacks aren’t allowed to be conservative. (successful conservative blacks really put a crimp in the pocketbook and street cred of black activist victim mongers. Okay, that’s racisim.) Neither are women, that’s sexism. If Sarah Palin had been liberal – especially if she’d aborted her down’s son, 90% of women abort down’s babies (much due to misleading info from their Dr’s – and the March of Dimes) -, the left would have sung her praises. Same for Thomas.
I came from a liberal/socialist/democrat family and live in a rather “blue” area, so I’m well aquainted with the hypocrisy of the left and how they think. As well as the FLAMING racism of most american blacks in this area.
Though blacks are being more disproportenatly hurt by the TOTUS’s Readers policies. black radio stations are dependent upon ad revenue from car companies, but they’ve been ordered by their new master to cut their advertising in half, descreasing ad revenue.
In the end, the obamabots deserve what they get. they think he’s their savior, but is really their new slave owner. Hubby has a favorite saying ‘the crime is it’s own punishment.’ blacks didn’t bother to ask what “change” meant and voted for him, so they get to live with the change. whether they like it or not. (even Whoopi has begun to complain about the tax increases)
66. shaui-jan:
people have been advocating “going galt”lately…some people have been figuring out ways to stop the goverment for awhile now…..i bring you “bleedng the beast” via the mormons:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/05/how-polygamy-affects-your-wallet.html
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Mormon’s don’t practice polygamy. (and haven’t for 120 years). Your sentence should read: via the polygamist cultists.
77. venividivici:
The campaign is over and the slogans are now getting old. Now it’s time to actually govern, something he has absolutely no experience in and has never even tried. Obama never held an executive position anywhere and he never ran a city or a state, let alone a major corporation. This is what you get when you elect somebody based on a marketing strategy rather than someone with experience or a track record for actually doing something in government.
I like to use the Democrats as examples of the paradox of two infinities, the infinitely large and the infinitely small. One the one hand, the Democrats ability talk a good game to get elected is infinitely large. On the other hand, their ability to actually govern is infinitely small.
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He is the real world manifestation of “how to succeed in business without really trying”. a quaint 1960′s musical dramatizing the peter principle. dear leader out did him.
@82 Otto
I’m old enough to remember the Carter Administration; Democrats controlled congress, the White House, were coming out of an unpopular war and a scandal-ridden administration. Things looked bright for them. There were those who thought that the Republicans wouldn’t hold power for decades, if ever.
Four years of incompetence in economic and foreign policy led to the Democrats getting STOMPED FLAT. That is the future of your party, troll.
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Otto, you need to put it in terms trolls can compare. Carter won ONE state, and Reagen won 49. And congress turned Red.
Interest rates came down, inflation came down, taxes for the MIDDLE CLASS came down (came down under W too from Clinton’s numbers, but I digress), the economy grew, income grew, etc.
I just hope we have a Ronald Reagen out there, as I forsee we’re going to be sentamental for jimma soon. (bet he’s happy he’s no longer the worst president ever)
33. misanthropicus= ADD
34. Terry Gain:
“And try not to remember that during the Bush years dissent was the highest form of patriotism.”
It was perfectly justified.
42. JFM:
“Things must going really bad for Obama when even Vivo looks he is defending him just because they are in the same party and that his heart is no longer at it.”
I can’t believe that people here can’t believe that I am an Independent!
44. MikeD:
“He’s courageous enough to have inherited the mess we are in.”
Maybe I should have written: He was courageous enough to have accepted a job in which he inherited the mess we are in.
78. ate mely:
“vivo & sheesh, you are included in my prayers, too.”
Talking to empty walls? Sorry.
88. misanthropicus:
“Shishkebob, Vivo, POM & cie. sound pretty discouraged,”
Discouraged because ALL politicians today are lazy bums? Yes. Obama? He’s doing way better on many people’s expectations, including Republicans abandoning the Great OLD Party.
54. shaui-jan:
“congratulations….no small feat.”
Republican/conservative sense of humor?
sheesh quoth: “J Milam: . .. .”You’re obviously buying into the “It’s not my fault,” mantra. Even though he had four years in the Senate to effect actual positive change.”
sheesh sayeth: “And the positive change being effected by Senate Republicans is . . .”
What you lack (and not surprisingly) is a proper response in your zeal to bite back without staying within the context of what you quote from me – and what you DIDN’T quote. In fact, Senate Republicans were almost exclusively trying to head off the Fannie/Freddie meltdown; on more than one occasion. Where was Obama? Likely sitting in the Senate chambers with headphones on listening to his own speeches while his fellow Democrats denied, denied, denied.
109 Sheesh:
I KNOW it is a game.
You’re wrong, troll. I’m not talking about your idiotic need to come in here and poke the hornet’s nest. That’s just your personal stupidity (and may be, as some have claimed, because you’re paid to do so). I’m talking about your party’s incompetence in running the government, and that is no game. The decisions they make have consequences, and you will discover this soon enough.
Now are you capable of defending Obama’s actions or not? I’m still waiting for a leftie who can show me why all of these decisions the Lightworker is making are correct. You can’t, can you? To you, politics is no different than supporting a sports team. You hate the other team, but you don’t know why.
I still wonder how this TOTUS ever got into the WH. We the people STILL don’t know anything about his background, college transcripts, medical reports, birth certificate and place of birth. I surely remember how we knew EVERYTHING about GW, Kerry, Gore, Clinton, etc. Why do we not know a thing about this TOTUS?
And since when do we need the TOTUS informing us to keep air in our tires, wash our hands, cover our mouth when coughing, and to honor our Troops this Holiday! Taking over the auto industry, banking industry, etc. Is ANYONE concerned about this. Closing Gitmo, bringing the violent animals to OUR Prisons? WHAT?
Bah,empty, vague speeches….like a child who got caught and comes up with all kinds of BS to get out of trouble. He is one of the worst orators in the entire history of man. Empty words with a LOT of echo…ever notice that? Dude, you are NOT a messiah. You are a nobody causing way too much sorrow for our great Country.
I am sickened what the MSM is doing to promote this Charleton. and the millions of ignorant people who have voted this charleton in not knowing a THING about him. Since when does the good people waste their votes on vague ideas and hopey and change? Why did he get voted in? It is his Party that created this whole financial mess via Fannie and Freddie, thanks Franks’, Reid, Pelosi, etc.
God bless, Cheney and hopefully, some Conservatives will stand beside him and let TOTUS HAVE IT!!!
I want someone to take those stupid teleprompters away. It would be good for all the minions who voted for him, to see what he REALLY is.
He is ready to off on another Apology Tour, hope the world is holding their bellies as he provides the rest of the world with big belly laughs.
Not so much here in the States among the good people who are suffering.
God Bless our Troops (and THANK YOU, we love you, even if your own Pres. doesn’t) and GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Tea Party – Summer of 2009
2010 is coming, all you folks in Congress who are not committed to the Constitution and taking care of the USA instead of your back and oh yes…your wallet.
We the People….remember those words from some little document? The people in California spoke this week…God bless them…it is only the start..
RE: Soeterotrolls like Vivo, sheesh, etc. infesting PJM and the present thread using regular posters’ identities:
The posts #102, 104, 105, 106, done under misanthropicus name on this thread are false, probably done by “sheesh”.
This situation doesn’t occur for the first time – why PJM allows it, I don’t know, but it sure doesn’t help Jennifer Rubin or other bloggers.
And this applies to PJM itself, also, since this thread has become, as you can see, a mockery.
113 ked5.my mistake,thanks for clarifying.
Without registration, there’s no way to control it. Don’t blame PJM, unless you want to fool around with registration.
And the question I’m left with is are all the Soeterotrolls paid to post here? Surely The One has actual, non-paid supporters, right? No?
Sockpuppeting is a fairly typical tactic when leftists run out of talking points.
But why do the moderators allow it? Tolerating the blatant impersonation of misanthropicus does not reflect well on PJM.
scott.fro wikipedia.”In economics, redistribution is the transfer of income, wealth or property from some individuals to others.”
i agree in the sense this has happened through confiscatory taxes on the most productive.
but to tell me that this has led to more “shared prosperity”or that this has some how this has been more beneficial to the least among us…..no.
taxes punish the poor the most no matter how you aply them.you can give them all the social relief you want…the cost of food,energy and housing is what matters to them.taxes drive the costs of these staples way up.costs are passed along…the consumer always gets stuck with the bill on a good or service.
anyone making a comfortble living it can be a minor frustration….rising costs mean less disposiable income.to someone living paycheck to paycheck it is a whole other matter.
120 – goose to misanthropigander . . . goose to misanthropigander . . . kettle calling pot, come in please . . . kettle calling pot, do you read me? Black Danger warning – word from centcomdef out of Wyoming via Palm Beach – low-level operative compromised – stop – recall misanpicus to armory for retooling and reprogramming – stop – hoisted on his own petard – stop – reminder: look up petard – stop – rebroadcast fresh talking points to more capable rep/con/reps.
Over.
82. Evil Otto. . . “Four years of incompetence in economic and foreign policy led to the Democrats getting STOMPED FLAT. That is the future of your party, troll.
Oh, ye of little memory. Six years of mindless rubber stamps in Congress, Alberto Gonzalez running around adjusting Dick Cheney’s hernia truss, and eight years of unrivaled incompetence got you STOMPED FLAT. That is the state of your party, fool.
Hope you enjoyed your power. You won’t have it again anytime soon.
I look at the numbers. I look ad the huge spending programs. I review the agenda and I am conviced that Obama will not be able to get GDP and unemployment to where they were in the Bush administration in 4 years. I know it will take a huge change of his deeds to recover.
115. ked5: . . . Interest rates came down, inflation came down, taxes for the MIDDLE CLASS came down (came down under W too from Clinton’s numbers, but I digress), the economy grew, income grew, etc.
Wow! I had no idea! What a great guy that Reagan was, eh? So, what I’m really worried about most is the deficit and debt Obama is running up. I heard Dick Cheney say that deficits don’t matter. Well, that just doesn’t sound right to me. You know, it’s going to affect our children, our grand children, our great grandchildren, our great-great-grandchildren, and maybe even our great-great-great-grandchildren. In fact Glenn Beck said the other day that he was already preparing to apologize to his great-great-great-great-grandchildren. So tell me, what did the Exalted One do to bring down all that debt and reduce our deficits? We need that approach more than ever.
misananthropicus”This situation doesn’t occur for the first time – why PJM allows it, I don’t know, but it sure doesn’t help Jennifer Rubin or other bloggers.
And this applies to PJM itself, also, since this thread has become, as you can see, a mockery.”
it would be nice to know who was who.
vivo. “Obama? He’s doing way better on many people’s expectations”
liberal/leftist humor?
sheesh you are PISSED…huh?don’t have a total breakdown….i want you around later to rub your face in the misery that you are enabling.
possessing the gift of gab…why not take some time off the old ‘intwerwebs’… and use that special talent to teach gibbs and pelosi how to spin lies without looking like a couple of incompetent morons….it’s getting kind of painful to watch.maybe you can relay a message through them to the ‘big guy’ about this whole thing with cheney being a huge trap….and to not blindly fall into it? oh…..too late…chalk it up to ‘on the job training ‘i guess.
i will wait patiently for your return.godspeed!
127:
Interesting that you jumped all the way back to comment 82, again, after replying to it at 10:24 last night. It took you almost nine hours to come up with that witty rejoinder. Your brain apparently runs in slow motion. And even then, that’s the best you could come up with?
Believe what you wish, though. Your party is going to catch the blame for the high unemployment, high inflation, and higher taxes that are the inevitable results of your ridiculous, insane spending. Zombies like you won’t blame them, because to you the party comes first, always.
Continue to be overconfident, sheesh. Your rule will last a thousand years. You can continue to spend trillions with no consequences. The electorate won’t blame you when their taxes shoot through the roof and bread costs ten dollars a loaf. People will be thrilled when the price of energy massively increases. A smart Democrat would be begging his party to slow down and return to sanity, but you’re not smart. You are just another taunting, left-wing fool, the same as every other one who has dropped in here, tossed a few snide insults and vanished, forgotten. I suspect there’s a factory somewhere out there churning you drones out.
119 LBC – Even as an employee of a government contractor, I had to go through a clearance check to qualify for a security clearance. And here we have someone as Perez who didn’t have to make any of his background info public. How does this happen? Even private companies require resumes and background checks to verify facts before employment. And we have someone as the most powerful leader of the “free” world who has access to “Top Secret” info and we don’t know who he really is. We know what he is but not who he is. Simply amazing, astounding, stupifying, bone chilling, blood curdling. And he has only begun to fight! Us, that is.
130. shaui-jan:
“it would be nice to know who was who.”
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PJM [like most websites] can log our I.P. addresses and track us, so ‘they’ know what’s up. It would be nice to have log-in I.D.’s in order to post and I think it would cut down on the B.S. too. Heck, there are some really lame websites that even have log-in options so I don’t see why PJM doesn’t do it?
128.seven “I review the agenda and I am conviced that Obama will not be able to get GDP and unemployment to where they were in the Bush administration in 4 years”
Have you seen anything in his agenda, publicized or speculated, that indicates he has any desire to get GDP and unemployment to where they were in the bush administration?
“Liberty! Freedom from tyranny! Keep government out of our lives! Don’t treat on me! Death to big brother! And one more thing, Mr. Moderator, could you please track, id and ban those meany leftists from PJM. That would be really good. Thank you.”
Geez, is that all it takes to melt down your principles? A few challenging comments from anonymous blog site visitors? If you can’t handle Pastor of Muppets, how you gonna handle that tall bearded desert guy? Oh, that’s right, you couldn’t handle him. Funny, I didn’t hear Cheney mention that part.
sheesh make yourself useful and read this;
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/world/24intel.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
“In addition, Pakistan’s intelligence and security services captured a Saudi suspect and a Yemeni suspect this year with the help of American intelligence and logistical support, Pakistani officials said. The two are the highest-ranking Qaeda operatives captured since President Obama took office, but they are still being held by Pakistan, which has shared information from their interrogations with the United States, the official said.”
gee,i wonder what a pakistani ISI “interrogation”is like..a friendly chat im sure.
and they also “shared” information with the u.s….how thoughtful.
“Human rights advocates say that relying on foreign governments to hold and question terrorist suspects could carry significant risks. It could increase the potential for abuse at the hands of foreign interrogators and could also yield bad intelligence, they say. ”
that sounds cautiously optimistic……
from those neo-cons at the NYT…..sound familiar?i await your perfectly reasonable explanation.
Jennefer Rubin’s writings always give me hope that this village idiot will lose the Congress in 2010, and lose all his credibility in 2009, and be rejected in 2012.
Hopefully we as a nation, will not lose our backsides due to the arrogance, stupidity and intellectual dwarfism of our grand dictator, OB. OB sure is not Socrates, Plato, or the last demo idiot, J Carter.
Good luck to all and stay safe and free.
jensad
here’s forty seconds of reality from henry waxman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRcq0Lxffwc
i don’t know……….laugh or cry?
139. shaui-jan:
“here’s forty seconds of reality from henry waxman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRcq0Lxffwc
i don’t know……….laugh or cry?”
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√cry
Great, link, Shaui-Jan‼
one more.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21obama.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper
WASHINGTON — “President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a “preventive detention” system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried, two participants in the private session said.”
held forever.
120. misanthropicus:
” Vivo, sheesh, etc. infesting PJM and the present thread using regular posters’ identities: ”
You can be assured that I would NEVER plagiarize anyone’s name or identity. I feel insulted that you even thought I would do this. You owe me an apology.
130. shaui-jan:
“liberal/leftist humor?”
No, Independent humor.
By the way, your “name” is misspelled: shuaijan
RE #142/vivo RE #120/misanthropicus: [...] ” Vivo, sheesh, etc. infesting PJM and the present thread using regular posters’ identities: You can be assured that I would NEVER plagiarize anyone’s name or identity. I feel insulted that you even thought I would do this. You owe me an apology. [...]
Vivo, if you say so, you have it – however, will you take Sheesh to task for repeatedly posting under my screen-name? In this thread only, he did it for several times – and infantile as this is, it still disrupts the proceedings.
144 misanthropicus . . . you’re delusional and paranoid . . . if someone lurking here takes my side and uses your ID to do so . . . welcome to America, and the real state of Virginia.
RE #145. sheesh: [...] 144 misanthropicus . . . you’re delusional and paranoid . . . if someone lurking here takes my side and uses your ID to do so . . . welcome to America, and the real state of Virginia. [...]
Shishkebob, doltus maximus, can’t you come with a straight comment? You keep dropping empty words, silly coagulation, like “delusional”, “paranoid” which simply do not apply to me and this situation, idiot – the posts bellow shoe clearly that you are using my screen name and no other people:
“[...] 104. misanthropicus: 90 Leigh B . . . Yes, I get paid to post here. And I have to brag a little bit, I make more than any other “flare” as we’re known in the biz. I’ve made $18,000 (AFTER TAXES!) since the April 15. (Yes Tea Bag Parties were very very good to me.) This’ll blow your mind – whyaminotsurprised, Bilgeman, Meryl, myth buster – all “flares” paid by different special interests. Wild, huh? May 23, 2009 – 10:03 pm
105. misanthropicus: 104 and half . . . I’m starting to spin . . . where’s my triple chocolate? Is that you, Sanjaya? I’m hearing sounds from inside the wall. They sound like . . . “sheesh.” I don’t eve know where Eureka is! May 23, 2009 – 10:06 pm
106. misanthropicus: the square root of 28 . . . Shishkebbob . . . or is it Ishkabibble? I’m looking for the name of Jimmy Carter. Can you help me out? I hear he pays you to babble, and I want to get paid for babbling, too. Wait, I AM getting paid to babble. Isn’t that great! OK, cool. See you in trig tomorrow! B-Bye! and don’t worry, you can borrow my hernia truss. May 23, 2009 – 10:11 pm
107. sheesh: Somebody should stop this lunatic – maybe go by his cardboard tent to make sure he’s not tying himself up with shoe laces and dental floss. Any compassionate conservatives out there? [...]”
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What an infantile creep you are shishkebob – no wonder that you so enthusiastically work for Barry Soetero.
And apropos of Soetero’s malheurs, blockhead: next week we’ll have in Los Angeles also a billboard with:
“WHERE IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?” and this affair will keep spreading around, worm!
And something else about Soetero’s first 100 days: for the first time since Soetero’s unfortunate election (solid part of this idiocy caused by tiny brains like you), today all headlines in RCP and HuffPo about the Kenyan shepherd’s son are negative.
Shishkebob, Barry Soetero’s running on empty, buddy, and your efforts to help at keeping him afloat are doomed.
Bye – still, since you appear having some time to spend, start doing some research regarding the best defense to keep Soetero out jail for electoral fraud and for rising $700 million dollars under false pretense from unsuspecting citizenry.
Bye, Shishkebob: you may also ponder what color Soetero’s inmate attire should be – orange? maybe mauve… maybe yellow, back alley pimp, like your shoes… maybe emerald green, since Soetero is actually Irish… maybe rainbow, after all he’s bisexual… maybe… maybe… maybre…
Important things to rumminate for your tiny brain sheeshkebob, so I let you go for it.
146 misanthropicus . . . You’re exhibiting the definition of insanity, which I am sure is known to most around here. If not insanity, certainly sociopathy . . . “ponder what color Soetero’s inmate attire should be – orange? maybe mauve… maybe yellow, back alley pimp, like your shoes… maybe emerald green, since Soetero is actually Irish… maybe rainbow, after all he’s bisexual… maybe… maybe… maybre…”
Wow, that’s some impressive agitation! Have you shaved your head yet? I hear more than a little Travis Bickle in your meanderings. I recommend the judicious use of psychotropics – not the fun kind but the antipsychosis kind. Might help you navigate a bit more clearly those pesky images in your head – “silly coagulation . . . shoe laces and dental floss . . . “WHERE IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?” and this affair will keep spreading around, worm”
I’m beginning to think you’re paying me to assume your identity . (There, that one oughta keep you busy down the rabbit hole for a few hours. Be sure to report back when you surface.)
146. misanthropicus,
Another ‘tell’ is that you space your pauses like this:
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The pauses on your fake posts in questins were like this:
. . .
I’m not going to name names based on that alone but yeah, you definitely had someone play knick knack paddy whack with your moniker.
‘In question’
I’m trying to mult-task and failing miserably. lol
143.vivo.for the porposes of commonality and google but thanks for the heads up….it shows you care.i am a registered ‘independant’ too….we should agree more?
you support obama….a leader who has exactly opposite views on the role of goverment as i do.so it shold of no surprise that when you type ” So shut up and do the right thing”…..you get ragged for it.
perhaps a more constructive dialog could be started by you first explaining his cap and trade legislation,or tax policies…his thoughts and reasoning behind his domestic energy plan….strategy on afganistan..or pakistan?
i will be polite.
sheesh.35 minutes from the post you were responding to….and you came up with this gem?
“Wow, that’s some impressive agitation! Have you shaved your head yet? I hear more than a little Travis Bickle in your meanderings”
considering the average lag time on posts…..that’s pretty impressive or….[adjusting foil]….somethings not right.
judging from this…and your apparent knowledge of mental illnesses and the medications used to treat them…. i have to ask,how many people do you have….running around……up there?
shaui-jan,
sheesh’s brain runs Windows 95 with a 386 processor and 256mb of memory. Be patient… it takes his overwhelmed brain time to come up with his witty remarks. As we can see in comment 147, his system often crashes.
144. misanthropicus:
“Vivo, if you say so, you have it – however, will you take Sheesh to task for repeatedly posting under my screen-name?’
I agree completely that no one should be usurping anyone else’s name. Sheesh has a point that someone else used his/your name. We can believe that or not. Men (and women) should have HONOR and be true to themselves. It may take a while, but the truth always emerges and the liars fall on their faces.
You’re right on the money. In addition I, and others, would ask:
BIRTH CERTIFICATE???
BIRTH CERTIFICATE???
BIRTH CERTIFICATE???
If there is one that says the right thing, why not turn it over and be done with it? The only reasonable answer is, there must not be one!!!
HOW COULD THIS POSSIBILITY EVEN HAPPEN???
“obama’s chickens are coming home to roost?” So whats with the chickens? kekeke