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		<title>By: JohnAdams</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/robert_spencer_responds_to_joh/#comment-12781</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This tit-for-tat argument arguing the validity and complex histories of these world religions is really not to the point...FOR ISLAM IS AT ITS HEART A POLITICAL SYSTEM. More to the point a fascist system, and likely its &quot;leaders&quot; do not even subscribe to it. They use it to marshall and subjugate the ignorant, and therefore to use them as they spread over the planet and gain wealth and power. The apologists for the &quot;religion of peace&quot; be they Muslim or non are often convincing. But as Dylan once wrote: &quot;They smile at your face but behind your back they hiss.&quot;
And in as such as Islam is a political system with a stated goal of overthrowing the Constitution of the United States, how are its adherents not guilty of sedition in this country? How are they not imprisoned and deported? Islam is not a religion. It is a cancer that uses democracy as its host. Until we realize this--and sadly, it will require even further calamities in the West--we watch our own destruction and argue over trivialities.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This tit-for-tat argument arguing the validity and complex histories of these world religions is really not to the point&#8230;FOR ISLAM IS AT ITS HEART A POLITICAL SYSTEM. More to the point a fascist system, and likely its &#8220;leaders&#8221; do not even subscribe to it. They use it to marshall and subjugate the ignorant, and therefore to use them as they spread over the planet and gain wealth and power. The apologists for the &#8220;religion of peace&#8221; be they Muslim or non are often convincing. But as Dylan once wrote: &#8220;They smile at your face but behind your back they hiss.&#8221;<br />
And in as such as Islam is a political system with a stated goal of overthrowing the Constitution of the United States, how are its adherents not guilty of sedition in this country? How are they not imprisoned and deported? Islam is not a religion. It is a cancer that uses democracy as its host. Until we realize this&#8211;and sadly, it will require even further calamities in the West&#8211;we watch our own destruction and argue over trivialities.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/robert_spencer_responds_to_joh/#comment-12780</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Matthews: &quot;I wonder why these Christians (&quot;Christianity is the Religion of Peace&quot;) aren&#039;t protecting the Muslim civilians from American wars of aggression and American military violence?&quot;

My guess is that they&#039;re a bit tied up at the moment trying to prevent Muslims in Iraq from being blown up by other Muslims.

Dave: &quot;Those who hate the Muslims because they are Muslim differ not one bit from those who hate the Jews because they are Jewish.&quot;

By analogy, those who hate the KKK because they are the KKK differ not one bit from those who hate the blacks because they are black.

After all, why let a little thing like the difference between race and ideology get in the way of your moral equivalence, especially when you&#039;re on such a roll? I&#039;d actually try to explain to you the difference between hating an ideology and hating the people who practice it but frankly, it would go over your head so why bother?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Matthews: &#8220;I wonder why these Christians (&#8220;Christianity is the Religion of Peace&#8221;) aren&#8217;t protecting the Muslim civilians from American wars of aggression and American military violence?&#8221;</p>
<p>My guess is that they&#8217;re a bit tied up at the moment trying to prevent Muslims in Iraq from being blown up by other Muslims.</p>
<p>Dave: &#8220;Those who hate the Muslims because they are Muslim differ not one bit from those who hate the Jews because they are Jewish.&#8221;</p>
<p>By analogy, those who hate the KKK because they are the KKK differ not one bit from those who hate the blacks because they are black.</p>
<p>After all, why let a little thing like the difference between race and ideology get in the way of your moral equivalence, especially when you&#8217;re on such a roll? I&#8217;d actually try to explain to you the difference between hating an ideology and hating the people who practice it but frankly, it would go over your head so why bother?</p>
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		<title>By: David Mathews</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/robert_spencer_responds_to_joh/#comment-12779</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mathews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Everyone,

As a perfect illustration of the astonishing ignorance displayed by Robert Spencer&#039;s followers on a daily basis, there is the following post on today&#039;s thread:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Starting today I will use a daily counter announcing every Christian attack, bombing, drivebyshooting, etc on all non-Christian nations and people. &lt;/i&gt;

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Day 1--no Christian attack on muslims today.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;
Hungarian Crusader
( &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017895.php#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017895.php#comments&lt;/a&gt; )

Eh ... so today was a &lt;i&gt;peaceful&lt;/i&gt; day in Iraq?

I am going to guess that American bombs &amp; bullets which happen to kill Iraqis on a daily basis constitute an &lt;b&gt;attack by Christians against Muslims&lt;/b&gt;.

I wonder why these Christians (&quot;&lt;i&gt;Christianity is &lt;b&gt;the&lt;/b&gt; Religion of Peace&lt;/i&gt;&quot;) aren&#039;t protecting the Muslim civilians from American wars of aggression and American military violence?

And ... where were the Christians when the Americans were torturing Iraqis (and others) In Iraq and elsewhere?

Where was the Christian outrage against American crimes against humanity?

You won&#039;t ever see Robert Spencer lifting a finger to protect the Iraqi Muslims from American military violence.  So much for the idea that &lt;i&gt;we&lt;/i&gt; are more peaceful than &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt;.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Everyone,</p>
<p>As a perfect illustration of the astonishing ignorance displayed by Robert Spencer&#8217;s followers on a daily basis, there is the following post on today&#8217;s thread:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Starting today I will use a daily counter announcing every Christian attack, bombing, drivebyshooting, etc on all non-Christian nations and people. </i></p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Day 1&#8211;no Christian attack on muslims today.</i>&#8221;<br />
Hungarian Crusader<br />
( <a href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017895.php#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017895.php#comments</a> )</p>
<p>Eh &#8230; so today was a <i>peaceful</i> day in Iraq?</p>
<p>I am going to guess that American bombs &amp; bullets which happen to kill Iraqis on a daily basis constitute an <b>attack by Christians against Muslims</b>.</p>
<p>I wonder why these Christians (&#8220;<i>Christianity is <b>the</b> Religion of Peace</i>&#8220;) aren&#8217;t protecting the Muslim civilians from American wars of aggression and American military violence?</p>
<p>And &#8230; where were the Christians when the Americans were torturing Iraqis (and others) In Iraq and elsewhere?</p>
<p>Where was the Christian outrage against American crimes against humanity?</p>
<p>You won&#8217;t ever see Robert Spencer lifting a finger to protect the Iraqi Muslims from American military violence.  So much for the idea that <i>we</i> are more peaceful than <i>them</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: David Mathews</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/robert_spencer_responds_to_joh/#comment-12778</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mathews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Everyone,

For those who doubt the genocidal intentions of the radical conservative &lt;i&gt;jihadists&lt;/i&gt;, consider the following statement posted at Townhall.com:

&quot;&lt;b&gt;We have to fight Islam like we fought the communists: ARMED TO THE TEETH AND READY TO ANNIHILATE.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;
Gabby
( &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/2v4lsw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/2v4lsw&lt;/a&gt; )

Please note that Robert Spencer and his ilk do not public denounce such genocidal urges among their followers.

Robert Spencer&#039;s followers understand his message well enough that he doesn&#039;t even need to express it: &lt;i&gt;All Muslims are evil, violent and threatening.  Therefore the Christian West must kill all of the Muslims, deny them freedom of speech &amp; religion, expel them from America and Europe, and drop nuclear bombs on their Holy Sites.&lt;/i&gt;

Needless to say, such sentiments are expressed on a daily basis in the rabid conservative and fundamentalist circles of the Republican party.  This is one of the reasons why it is absolutely essential to defeat the Republicans in the next Presidental election, too.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Everyone,</p>
<p>For those who doubt the genocidal intentions of the radical conservative <i>jihadists</i>, consider the following statement posted at Townhall.com:</p>
<p>&#8220;<b>We have to fight Islam like we fought the communists: ARMED TO THE TEETH AND READY TO ANNIHILATE.</b>&#8221;<br />
Gabby<br />
( <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2v4lsw" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2v4lsw</a> )</p>
<p>Please note that Robert Spencer and his ilk do not public denounce such genocidal urges among their followers.</p>
<p>Robert Spencer&#8217;s followers understand his message well enough that he doesn&#8217;t even need to express it: <i>All Muslims are evil, violent and threatening.  Therefore the Christian West must kill all of the Muslims, deny them freedom of speech &amp; religion, expel them from America and Europe, and drop nuclear bombs on their Holy Sites.</i></p>
<p>Needless to say, such sentiments are expressed on a daily basis in the rabid conservative and fundamentalist circles of the Republican party.  This is one of the reasons why it is absolutely essential to defeat the Republicans in the next Presidental election, too.</p>
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		<title>By: David Mathews</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/robert_spencer_responds_to_joh/#comment-12777</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mathews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Darcy,

The followers of Robert Spencer have a similarly limited vocabulary when speaking about the Muslims.

Those who hate the Muslims because they are Muslim differ not one bit from those who hate the Jews because they are Jewish.

Is there any better name for this irrational hatred and fear than bigotry?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Darcy,</p>
<p>The followers of Robert Spencer have a similarly limited vocabulary when speaking about the Muslims.</p>
<p>Those who hate the Muslims because they are Muslim differ not one bit from those who hate the Jews because they are Jewish.</p>
<p>Is there any better name for this irrational hatred and fear than bigotry?</p>
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		<title>By: Darcy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/robert_spencer_responds_to_joh/#comment-12776</link>
		<dc:creator>Darcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People - &quot;zane&quot; is a Mohammedan Apologist I&#039;ve seen on Hot Air comments. He&#039;s a fool - don&#039;t feed the troll.

&quot;David Matthews&quot; is an infantile ignoramus who has a vocabulary consisting of one word - &quot;bigot.&quot; (In case you haven&#039;t noticed, LOL!) Don&#039;t feed this troll, either - not worth your time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People &#8211; &#8220;zane&#8221; is a Mohammedan Apologist I&#8217;ve seen on Hot Air comments. He&#8217;s a fool &#8211; don&#8217;t feed the troll.</p>
<p>&#8220;David Matthews&#8221; is an infantile ignoramus who has a vocabulary consisting of one word &#8211; &#8220;bigot.&#8221; (In case you haven&#8217;t noticed, LOL!) Don&#8217;t feed this troll, either &#8211; not worth your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Infidel Pride</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/robert_spencer_responds_to_joh/#comment-12775</link>
		<dc:creator>Infidel Pride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave it to a certifiable cretin like Dave Matthews to not recognize the difference between an ideological cult - Islam - vs it&#039;s 1.3b adherents - an unestimable mix of the good, the bad and the ugly!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave it to a certifiable cretin like Dave Matthews to not recognize the difference between an ideological cult &#8211; Islam &#8211; vs it&#8217;s 1.3b adherents &#8211; an unestimable mix of the good, the bad and the ugly!</p>
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		<title>By: David Mathews</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/robert_spencer_responds_to_joh/#comment-12774</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mathews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Everyone,

Those who read the discussions following Robert Spencer&#039;s posts will verify that my description of that group as positively genocidal in its intentions against the Muslims.

For example, consider the following statement:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Vis a viz Derbyshire&#039;s comments on the nature of christianity, I am afraid that it is still somethin that bothers me. I do not see how fighting against Islam tooth and nail is compatible with &#039;turning the other cheek&#039; and &#039;loving the enemy&#039;. I do not love Islam - I hate it. I wish to see it wiped from existence - and I am absolutely convinced that it is moral to do so. &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;--POSTED BY FANUSI &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Jesus told me to love my enemies. He didn&#039;t tell me to love HIS enemies. &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;I am truly the enemy of Jesus&#039; enemies. And Jesus&#039; greatest enemy is Satan, the anti-Christ, of whom muhammad was one incarnation and the worst incarnation, &quot;a liar and the father of lies, and a murderer from the beginning.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;
( &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017881.php#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017881.php#comments&lt;/a&gt; )

Did you notice the principle explicitly expressed above:

&lt;b&gt; Jesus told me to love my enemies. He didn&#039;t tell me to love HIS enemies. &lt;/b&gt;

This is the sort of reasoning which makes sense only to a &lt;i&gt;Christian Jihadist&lt;/i&gt; who seeks to justify committing acts of violence, warfare and genocide against the Muslims.

Then there is particularly vile wish expressed by a bigot named Engineer-Poet:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;I&#039;m all for recognizing Islam in general as a political movement, with all that implies. &lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Well, Engineer-Poet, Muslims aren&#039;t the only religious people engaged in political movements.  The &lt;i&gt;Neocons&lt;/i&gt; and the &lt;i&gt;Christian fundamentalists&lt;/i&gt; are quite active politically as well.

Engineer-Poet would likely kill many Muslim civilians if he could.  Engineer-Poet is, more or less, an atheistic jihadist with Christian sympathies (as long as the Christians join his jihad against the Muslims).




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Everyone,</p>
<p>Those who read the discussions following Robert Spencer&#8217;s posts will verify that my description of that group as positively genocidal in its intentions against the Muslims.</p>
<p>For example, consider the following statement:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Vis a viz Derbyshire&#8217;s comments on the nature of christianity, I am afraid that it is still somethin that bothers me. I do not see how fighting against Islam tooth and nail is compatible with &#8216;turning the other cheek&#8217; and &#8216;loving the enemy&#8217;. I do not love Islam &#8211; I hate it. I wish to see it wiped from existence &#8211; and I am absolutely convinced that it is moral to do so. </i></p>
<p><i>&#8211;POSTED BY FANUSI </i></p>
<p><i>Jesus told me to love my enemies. He didn&#8217;t tell me to love HIS enemies. </i></p>
<p><i>I am truly the enemy of Jesus&#8217; enemies. And Jesus&#8217; greatest enemy is Satan, the anti-Christ, of whom muhammad was one incarnation and the worst incarnation, &#8220;a liar and the father of lies, and a murderer from the beginning.&#8221; </i><br />
( <a href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017881.php#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017881.php#comments</a> )</p>
<p>Did you notice the principle explicitly expressed above:</p>
<p><b> Jesus told me to love my enemies. He didn&#8217;t tell me to love HIS enemies. </b></p>
<p>This is the sort of reasoning which makes sense only to a <i>Christian Jihadist</i> who seeks to justify committing acts of violence, warfare and genocide against the Muslims.</p>
<p>Then there is particularly vile wish expressed by a bigot named Engineer-Poet:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>I&#8217;m all for recognizing Islam in general as a political movement, with all that implies. </i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, Engineer-Poet, Muslims aren&#8217;t the only religious people engaged in political movements.  The <i>Neocons</i> and the <i>Christian fundamentalists</i> are quite active politically as well.</p>
<p>Engineer-Poet would likely kill many Muslim civilians if he could.  Engineer-Poet is, more or less, an atheistic jihadist with Christian sympathies (as long as the Christians join his jihad against the Muslims).</p>
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		<title>By: David Mathews</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/robert_spencer_responds_to_joh/#comment-12773</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mathews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Everyone,

To the Pastor I will add another Proverb:

&lt;i&gt;Do not answer a &lt;b&gt;bigot&lt;/b&gt; according to his/her folly. &lt;/i&gt;

It makes no difference if the bigot hates the Jews, Christians, blacks, Mexicans, Asians or the Mormons ... no &lt;i&gt;argument&lt;/i&gt; will dislodge bigotry from a person naturally inclined to bigotry.

Since that is the case there is no point in prolonging this argument because when you boil it all down Robert Spencer&#039;s course in comparative religion - comparative violence teaches only this:

1. Only &lt;i&gt;bad&lt;/i&gt; Christians engage in violence, slavery, warfare, genocide and nuclear warfare.

2. All &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; Muslims are violent.

It is not a scholarly argument, nor a rational argument.  It is merely an expression of pure bigotry from the King of the Bigots, Robert KKK Spencer.

Now you can go back to your ignorant ranting against Islam.  Suit yourself.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Everyone,</p>
<p>To the Pastor I will add another Proverb:</p>
<p><i>Do not answer a <b>bigot</b> according to his/her folly. </i></p>
<p>It makes no difference if the bigot hates the Jews, Christians, blacks, Mexicans, Asians or the Mormons &#8230; no <i>argument</i> will dislodge bigotry from a person naturally inclined to bigotry.</p>
<p>Since that is the case there is no point in prolonging this argument because when you boil it all down Robert Spencer&#8217;s course in comparative religion &#8211; comparative violence teaches only this:</p>
<p>1. Only <i>bad</i> Christians engage in violence, slavery, warfare, genocide and nuclear warfare.</p>
<p>2. All <i>good</i> Muslims are violent.</p>
<p>It is not a scholarly argument, nor a rational argument.  It is merely an expression of pure bigotry from the King of the Bigots, Robert KKK Spencer.</p>
<p>Now you can go back to your ignorant ranting against Islam.  Suit yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: BMoon</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/robert_spencer_responds_to_joh/#comment-12772</link>
		<dc:creator>BMoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is Dave Matthews?
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