‘Right-Wing Rage’ = Left-Wing Projection
Since the election, the left has alternately gloated, pleaded for conservatives and liberals to pull together to help Barack Obama in the name of unity, or shamelessly carped about “right wing rage.”
The gloating is expected and the unity pleas are naive, but let’s talk about “right wing rage.”
Among others, the Los Angeles Times has cited Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, neither of whom are particularly angry guys, as right-wing rage-holics for not laying down and dying after the election. CNN’s Campbell Brown also hit this same meme — which you can be certain will become more popular as time goes on.
This is actually nothing new. Back in the nineties, Bill Clinton blamed the Oklahoma City bombing on the “many loud and angry voices” in conservative talk radio that “spread hate.”
But the truth is that you don’t have to be angry, loud, hateful, or advocate violence to be a “loud and angry voice” that “spreads hate” in the eyes of the left or the media.
You merely have to disagree with them.
People will see that in the near future, when talk radio is hammered for some incident or another — it really doesn’t really matter what specific incident, because the facts will be secondary — and then the left uses the occasion to try to ram through the Fairness Doctrine and clamp down on Limbaugh, Hannity, and others. If you can’t make a better argument, then use the power of government to silence your political opponents.
You can also expect the Democrats to go back to the “right-wing rage” meme as soon as the glow starts to wear off of Obama. After all, he ran as an “everything to everyone” candidate. He portrayed himself as a diehard liberal and a moderate, a hawk and a dove, a tax cutting free marketer and a statist, a pragmatist and an idealist, a partisan tough guy and a unifier. No matter what he does, a lot of people are destined to be deeply disappointed in him.
The behavior of gay activists in California right now is the best example at the moment for how vicious the left is toward its opponents. Clearly, one of the lessons they learned from the Civil Rights movement, which they are quick to compare themselves to, is that if you want to be respected by most of America, you need to be caught on video behaving like hateful barbarians toward those you say are oppressing you. Wasn’t it MLK’s man-handling of old white women that really convinced middle America of the righteousness of his cause?
I expect to praise a President when such does well, criticize a President when they do not uphold their duties and oath of office and provide basis for such criticism or praise as the case may be. That is what I have done with Bush, with Clinton and for quite some time before that. To me President-elect Obama is not transformational, not some godsend to the Nation and not some panacea to cure all ills of all peoples everywhere. He is a politician, no better nor worse than those around him.
That, I expect, since I toe no party line, no line of ideology beyond just doing the job, will get me criticism from the Left and Right, just as I have gotten for years. Apparently just doing your job that you volunteered for isn’t enough for some folks… and then the job gets left undone.
Thank you to the poisonous political atmosphere of the last few decades that got us to this point where expecting someone to do their job is too much to ask… thanks… for nothing.
Your welcome, ajacksonian. It has been my great pleasure to provide you with hour upon hour of anger and resentment, and since the middle is getting so crowded I would recommend to move to the right wing.
Pre-emptively accusing your opponent of that which you yourself are guilty of is a well established tactic. It’s designed to keep the opposition on the defense and it does seem to work. The feckless GOP and especially feckless Bush administration seemed quite comfortable in assuming the fetal position whenever faced with it. I believe that to be one of the main sources of libertarian and conservative disgust with the GOP leadership – and why Sarah Palin’s fighting spirit is so well received by the people.
The Left always argues as if the alternative were perfection. It will be very interesting to watch their spin machine ripped part by centrifugal force as they now have to face reality themselves. Lying, doublespeak, and the blame game will certainly be taken to new levels. Our nation (and the world) will suffer for it.
Truth always catches up in the end. But we must work to make sure it doesn’t catch up before it is too late.
Truth always catches up in the end. But we must work to make sure it catches up before it is too late.
arrrgh!
@ ajacksonian
Point taken about partisanship being as toxic as it is and I recognize your independent view is caught in the middle of some no-mans land. Expecting someone to do their job is as natural as the disappointment that tends to follow more frequently than not. However I suspect you also agree that many people who have placed an incredible amount of trust and faith in one solitary man are in for a rude awakening as well.
We can argue till we’re all blue in the face about our differences, but it remains to be seen what becomes of this election ’08. We all got to do our best for our families, ourselves and for the greater good (if so inclined) no matter whose in charge. I must say though, the cognitive dissonance of the left, the degree of their hatred and intolerance over the last 8yrs has been quite an eye opener.
Do I wish future presidents to suffer the same public outrage and collective derangement day in day out? No way, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, not Joe the Plumber, not Sarah Palin or Hillary Clinton. But you see it’s not up to me to decide for others how they conduct themselves, the way they vent and what not. Civility would be much appreciated, but as things are – I least expect it.
The way I see it Obama rallied much of the anger on the far left, and he allied himself to special interest groups, who at the end of the day will either be his loudest supporters or detractors. Conservatives in my opinion don’t possess the same level of outrage liberals have openly displayed the last few years. Their resources and time will be tied greatly to rebuilding and regrouping for their cause to show anything resembling the level of derangement indicative of liberals of late.
That’s not to say there aren’t radical elements on the right, I just don’t see them hijacking the GOP platform anywhere near what radical leftwing nutjobs have achieved on the left; and imo trying to please all these groups will be one of Obama’s most daunting and exhausting tasks. As history proves loyal support can promptly turn into faction and dissension overnight.
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“He that always gives way to others will end in having no principles of his own.”
~Aesop
I sincerely hope that Obama does well by the country along with the Democratic Congress. If they do well and my taxes stay, the deficit shrinks, the economy starts to recover, and I can afford the basic things I need to continue my daily life and improve over where I am today, then, they will deserve and get my kudos possibly my vote. However, I don’t see any scenarios under which the types and of programs they propose will do any of that. And when my life and health start to suffer thanks to the the things they do, I won’t hold back my criticism. I am afraid that the left will get awfully tired of the words “we told you so.”
There’s plenty of misbehavior on both sides of the aisle. I often tell my liberal friends, I won’t blame you for Michael Moore if you don’t blame me for Ann Coulter.
My mother asked me what I would do now that Obama is going to be President. I said that I would give him the benefit of the doubt that I give all politicians (since they all lie and stuff), but I would also mock him endlessly (like I have with every other President). Considering the Messiah-ness with which he is treated, he is going to disappoint. And I doubt he’ll be a great President. But he might be a passable President….
Kirk Petersen,
Ann Coulter states the truth in a very acerbic and incendiary style. Granted it rubs some the wrong way, but there is still truth at its core.
Michael Moore flat out lies.
I don’t see how you can establish any sort of parallel. Compare style versus style and substance against substance, but don’t confuse style and substance – they are very different things.
2. ajacksonian:
No criticism from me. If more people would look at the job description of the President of the United States we will see that over the years we the people have allowed the position to take on additional duties. And as the “employer” of that position we need to take steps to remove the additional duties. Another thing that was the “employer” of this new hire failed to do is look at his past experience and make sure he was qualified. I fear he is going to be like “that guy” who has the job of running a company only because he dresses nice and brown nosed the owner.
I am one of those radical, right-wing, knuckle dragging Christians. See
liberals for more detailed description.
There are times I would like to RAGE, but I then I would be like those
who rage against me.
The title of this article is ironic to say the least. Don’t you think liberals and progressives had a right to be a little angry? Consider that under the Bush administration we witnessed the shredding of the Constitution, the worst terrorist attack on American soil after a dire a warning, the misguided war in Iraq, Katrina, Gitmo, $4.00 a gallon gas, domestic wiretapping, an attempt to politicize the justice department, the removal of habeus corpus, the Florica recount of the 2000 election, the economic collapse, the gazillion dollar deficit and several other Bush failures too numerous to document? Yeah we’re angry. We’re angry that the administration turned its back on the people in a quest for power.
We’re angry that the media and certain knucle-dragging lemmings acted as water carriers and enablers. Sure there are examples of misbehavior on both sides of the aisle as Kirk says above. So I won’t also blame you for Michelle Malkin, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Bill Cunningham, Bill O’Reilly, Rush Lardbutt, Sean Hannity, John Bolton, Laura Ingraham, Dick Morris, Brent Bozell, Jim Quinn, Melanie Morgan, Karl Rove, David Frum, Bill Kristol, and everyone else.
I would argue the right have a much higher level of outrage than the left, it’s fueled by ignorance and stupidity, and it’s intentional so the average Joe the Plumber will soak it up and agree their way is the normal way. That’s why they’re angry. So if the right doesn’t like what’s coming the next 4-8 years I suggest they put their fingers in their ears and whistle real loud. It’s about time our leaders started operating on behalf of the public interet instead of their own selfish self-interest.
Would somebody please get Pat J a pacifier and blanket?
Pat J – you’re awfully ignorant to blame Bush for $4/gallon gas.
1) World demand for oil is what drove the price so high. The worldwide recession has reduced that demand, cutting that price per gallon in half. Economists also credit Bush’s executive order (rescinding the previous such order banning most offshore drilling) with reducing the price of oil – will _you_ give him credit for that, too?
2) Increasing the supply of oil would reduce the price (you know, the old supply/demand thing), but Democrats have consistently opposed new drilling in Alaska and offshore (that is, the less expensive offshore drilling. They’re OK with more expensive (i.e., much farther out) offshore drilling).
FWIW, Obama is on record as saying that he LIKES gas prices to be high – he just wishes they hadn’t increased so much in a short period of time. He is also on record about promoting policies which will result in “skyrocketing energy prices”. So if you worship Obama, you should be praising $4/gallon gas, and cursing the recent drop in gas prices.
Pat J: You said it!! You just called your fellow Americans ignorant and stupid. Why are you attacking your fellow Americans? Isn’t it the government that’s lied? Both Democrat and Republican government officials are guilty. And we and the generations before are to blame for allowing the federal government to get so big. Now, you evidently casted you ballot for a man to be in the most powerful position in the world who has a very bad voting record, who wants to raise taxes, who wants the federal government more involved in social issues. Yes, you voted for bigger government.
This article is yet more proof that repubs don’t understand growth, but only hoarding.
In a growing system, differences level OUT and gaps fill IN. Apparently John Hawkins can’t grasp that simple concept.
Meaningless hyperbole.
You mean the “dire warning” that was received in 1993 with the first WTC bombing…and was completely ignored?
Or the “dire warning” that was received in 1998 with the Kenyan embassy bombings…and was completely ignored?
Or the “dire warning” that was received with 2000 Cole bombing?
Oh, I know…you mean the “dire warning” – in the form of a memo stating that – surprise, surprise! – Al-Queda wanted to attack the US…sometime, somehow.
Which seem more “dire” to you?
You mean the war that Democrats voted for? And that the US military won?
Yeah, how dare there be a hurricane that causes a natural disaster!
Poor terrorists…sniffle…weep
From 2000-2007, worldwide oil consumption increased 40% percent. Over the same period, worldwide oil production increased 9%…hampered mostly by environmental groups.
Damn those crazy neo-con/fundie environmentalists!
That Democrats signed off on…behind on closed doors, of course.
By following the law.
But you’re right…I can’t wait until Obambi names Ashcroft as his AG.
Again…poor terrorists…sniffle…weep
You’re upset that the Democrats tried to illegally steal the 2000 Presidential election by breaking every FL election law?
Me too!!!
You mean the collapse that started in 1995 with the Clinton administration’s revising the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977?… when regulatory revisions to the CRA created the secondary market for mortgage loans and cleared the way for the use of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as the underwriters for this Ponzi scheme. These revisions to the CRA allowed institutions other than banks to start making SUBPRIME mortgage loans. Also, they allowed these lenders to forgo traditional mortgage risk mitigation measures (i.e. savings deposits), and instead, to bundle them into securities (i.e. MORTGAGE-BACKED SECURITIES) that could be sold on the open market. In short, w/o these revisions to the CRA, NONE of what has recently occurred in the financial markets would be happening.
Oh, and who was the group that pushed for these regulatory changes in 1995.
ACORN.
And who was the lawyer representing them in the action.
Barack Obama.
You mean that collapse?
Yeah…and a 759% increase in entitlement spending over the past 40 years wouldn’t have anything to do with those deficits.
Nah!!!
Yeah…and you’d be just as wrong as I’ve shown you to be on everything else you stated.
For a lesson in “ignorance and stupidity”, simply read over your own “arguments”.
rvastar @ 18:
a valiant effort, but you know as well as I do that a good Leftie will never let facts get in the way of the cause.
Was Ann Coulter stating a substantive truth when she called John Edwards a faggot?
Was she making a substantive contribution to the debate when she wrote the following:
I guess the “truth at the core,” to use your term, of the second statement might be that America should strike back hard at anyone who threatens us. But she discredits her own arguments by using gratuitous slurs and clearly relishing her bigotry.
Pat J, sorry the Florida elections ruined the view of Americans as a fair and democratic country here in France and it was the left and it’s whining how it’s not fair, we have the principles, the better ideas and we didn’t get voted in! Sorry this article is right on target… I do think you need your bottle and blankie, as stated earlier, so we can take care of you like we would a baby, then you would have no more worries (whatever!!!!) Hello kochevnik, do you know what you are talking about? Or should we get you a bottle and blankie too? Oh, I suspect that you’re Russian, so you must be hoping to get one back soon?
Reagan Derangement Syndrome, Bush Derangement Syndrome, Palin Derangement Syndrome are all aimed at “stupid people” who continually got the “smart people” to go along with them.
But Carter Derangement Syndrome and Clinton Derangement Syndrome is all about stupid stuff like 444 days of hostages, lies under oath and sex in the oval office.
Pat J puts it all in perspective: I would argue the right have a much higher level of outrage than the left, it’s fueled by ignorance and stupidity, and it’s intentional so the average Joe the Plumber will soak it up and agree their way is the normal way.
There it is: Stupidity, Ignorance and willing dupes too ignorant and stupid to be allowed to drool without help.
And who is it ACORN was dragging to the polls?
Too true…and of course Pat J’s an idiot. But his type – who exemplify Lenin’s definition of “useful idiots” – aren’t the audience. The audience are the vast majority of Americans for whom politics isn’t a religion…and who can see the truth if they can only get accurate information.
And since they’re not going to get that truth from our news media, it’s up to us provide it to them…one post at a time.
Keep the faith
“Consider that under the Bush administration we witnessed the shredding of the Constitution, the worst terrorist attack on American soil after a dire a warning, the misguided war in Iraq, Katrina, Gitmo, $4.00 a gallon gas, domestic wiretapping, an attempt to politicize the justice department, the removal of habeus corpus, the Florica recount of the 2000 election . . .”
Um, wait. The “Florica” recount of the 2000 election took place “under the Bush administration”? Let me make sure I’m understanding this correctly. You are telling me that in November 2000, George W. Bush was already president?
I did not know that. I was under the impression that Bush was inaugurated on January 20, 2001. But you seem to be telling me that Bush somehow took office before the election and then used his Presidential powers to steal the election retroactively . . . or something. I’m guessing a time machine was involved.
Or are you talking about a parallel universe in which George W. Bush was elected in 1996 and was only re-elected in 2000, and in which the U.S. includes a state called Florica?
Kirk Peterson @ 20;
That’s just Ann’s schtick. She does it intentionally and purposefully to tweak you, exposing your hypersensitivity. And I must admit, it is rather amusing because it’s an entirely predictable stimulus-response drill. The meltdown is funny to those of us who grew up in apparently much tougher neigborhoods where ‘sticks and stones could break our bones, but names could never hurt us’.
Can’t you see that the hypersensitive meltdowns flag you like a wounded gazelle on the Serengetti?
Ann Coulter simply cannot resist the temptation. I forgive her for it. It’s not hate. It’s amusement.
CD: Then, of course, there is the fact that the Democrats have blocked every attempt to drill for oil and/expand energy resources (nuclear) domestically since the 1970s. They are so in the pocket of the enviro-fascists that they can’t do anything to curb dependence on foreign oil.
Pat J puts it all in perspective ….
Translation: Pat J provided a list of assertions; I liked the list; therefore her assertions must be correct.
Now tell me again how this makes one intelligent?
Then again, TV People would like the list, as would people who watch TV People, so therefore it must be correct, especially if our friends, who are people who watch TV People, believe it’s a good list.
I’m truly humbled by the intellectual juggernauts on the Left ….
PatJ,
“It’s about time our leaders started operating on behalf of the public interet instead of their own selfish self-interest.”
On record alone Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, James Johnson, Frank Raines, Jamie Gorelick, Barack Obama all have something in common and it isn’t the the same party they have ties to nor the public’s interest. We’ll be paying for their deeds for a long whiles yet especially for their duplicity in the current financial/credit crisis we’re facing – one that’s deprived millions of American of owning a home and has many more potentially starring at long term unemployment. Do you really believe and expect these same oafs to have the Public interest at heart??
There are Chicago projects assumed to be rescued by Obama that are still boarded up and condemned to this day; and student literacy rates that declined dramatically under Obama’s watch and so called education programs. He obviously was never courageous enough to challenge his corrupt colleagues either, he actually towed their line. His abject failures i.e. where he could have made a real difference and did not deliver are numerous – just don’t expect MSNBC and his other msm cohorts to point them out, they’re too busy kissing the ground he walks on to see anything else.
Have to a agree with a previous commentator the cognitive dissonance of the left is truly astounding.
All I can suggest to you Pat is that remove the plank from your eye before talking about ignorance. Truly your opine speak volumes of the liberal echo chamber you live in.
TO: John Hawkins, et al.
RE: Indeed
The truth of the matter is that these ‘Lefists’ have no moral code. They are the epitome of the truism about Communism…
They were all loud and angry before the election and they declared themselves as speaking truth to power. That dissent was the highest form of ‘patriotism’.
Today, after the election of The One, they’ve changed their song to ‘dissent is hate speech’.
They are nothing more, nor anything less, than the hypocrites we’ve always known them to be. And now, with the ‘power’ behind them that they used to ‘speak truth’ to, we’re going to see how serious the situation can get. But don’t expect help from your neighbors and as-you-wrongfully-thought-friends. They’ll be silent as the heavy hand of suppression REALLY descends on those who, today, speak ‘truth-to-power’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[A sore loser can never be a gracious winner. It's something in their morality; which is woefully lacking. -- CBPelto]
It’s like Michelle Obama said: We’re a mean country.
But it’s all coming from the Left.
view from afar,
Repubs do have one good point. Many French are annoying. Unfortunately you seem to be their principal ally [See, a French word!] since the election.
>Hello kochevnik, do you know what you are talking
>about? Or should we get you a bottle and blankie too?
>Oh, I suspect that you’re Russian, so you must be
>hoping to get one back soon?
I agree with #12. I will not be a cry baby or throw a tantrum.
I haven’t (nor will I ever) threatened to leave the U.S.
because of who the president is. I haven’t acquired any Bush/Chimp/Hitler signs and crossed out Bush and written in
Obama. I don’t have (nor will I ever) have bumper stickers on my car that say “Not My President” or
“Don’t Blame Me, I Didn’t Vote for Him.”
I don’t (nor will I ever) wear a t-shirt with the date of the next inauguration on it.
BTW, I wonder what would happen to me if I did decide to cross out Bush and replace it with Obama? Nothing pleasant I bet.
You want to know the difference between the blogging left and blogging right, simply compare moderate/conservative “HotAir” to HuffPost or DailyKOS.
I found hate I couldn’t believe existed on DKOS. And, did anybody notice the hate of the No on 8 poeple in CA? I did. I used to live in the SF Bay Area. Hate is in the soul there. You wanna get on the new there? Just send your child to school with their Bible and sit back in horror.
I got your bottle and blankie.
$4 of gas happened on Bush’s watch. Maybe it wouldn’t have if he had a sensible energy policy beginning with increased CAFE standards on day one.
I didn’t call Americans ignorant and stupid, although considering a lot of them at one time believe Sadaam Hussein was responsible for 911, I’d say, yeah. A lot of Americans ARE ignorant and stupid. Espeically some of the ones who result to name-calling instead of attempting to refuting my points (thank you rvstar.)
Shredding the Constitution is not “meaningless hyperbole.” The NSA warrentless surveilance allegedly violated the 4th Amendment regarding unwarrented search and seizures. This is one of the move obvious violations. There are also constitutional arguments regarding the invasion of Iraq, the Gitmo detainees unlawful combatant status and their subsequent treatment, and quite a few other examples. Allegations true, but disturbing nonetheless.
Dire Warning – Yep. that one. Which summarized WHY Bin Laden wanted to attack. And let’s not forget Clinton responded to the attack on the embassies by bombing Al Quada in Afghanistan! So you can’t say “nothing was done” in that instance. And wasn’t that blink Sheik put in jail? And wasn’t Ramzi Yousef and the others eventually apprended? Unlike Bin Laden who is still free? Also on Bush’s watch?
The war the U.S. Military won – If we won why are we not bringing all of them home and still spending $10 billion in perpetuating the war in Iraq? Don’t even get me started on the spinelessness onf certain Democrats. There I agree.
Katrina – No plan of action until after the storm struck. Bush was busy blowing out McCain’s birthday candles. By then a lot of innocent people had died. Heckuva job.
Gitmo – It’s evident through many accounts that not all of those held at Gitmo are terrorists. Some of them were fingered by Afghans who wanted to collect a bounty. Some of them were arrested as young as 12. I dread to think what they’ll be like when their 20. And they may not have Constitutional rights, but they due have human rights, especially the right to due process.
Habeus Corpus – If that’s the case, we all can be accused of potentially being terrorists.
Florida recount – Democrats did not try to violate Florida election laws. Yet there is amble evidence that Katharine Harris’s office did.
Economic collapse and CRA – Irrelevant. Clinton’s strategy in modifying the act was to deal with the economic stress of urban areas and rural communities. Part of the controversy surrounding CRA was it encouraged banks to make unsafe loans. But don’t blame Clinton. A lot of things were set in motion long before he became President. Again, the September collapse occcured on Bush’s watch. Clinton left with a surplus. Bush oversaw a huge deficit.
Oh and that $759 increase in entitlement spending is not necessarily a bad thing unless you’re against Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. But then, you probably are. LEt’s hope it’s still around incase you need it some day.
Ignorance and stupidity – Ha. You just proved my point. By agreeing the right say stupid and ignorant things, with anger and hate. And unfortunately, people will buy into what they say as the truth. Hence “Rush is right.”
Take your own blankies and tuck yourselves in Pajamalings! It’s time for the adults to run things for a change.
“$4 of gas happened on Bush’s watch. Maybe it wouldn’t have if he had a sensible energy policy beginning with increased CAFE standards on day one.”
Yes. And today, gas is $1.93 per gallon in my area, and Bush is still President. What was your point again?
RADICAL POLITICIANS WILL DESTROY OBAMA
The far left in Congress is on track to ruin the Obama administration:
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/11/radical-politicians-will-destroy-obama.html
Pat J,
nice warping. $4 gas is under Bush’s control? Then give him credit it’s $2 now. Can’t have it both ways.
Wiretaps and Habeus Corpus? Did you miss the memo? We’re at war, buddy.
Katrina? Nagin? Blanco?
Economy. Clinton handed Bush a tech bubble and Y2K collapse, we were already in recession. And you cannot argue persuasively that the toxin in the financial markets isn’t bad mortgage loans strong-armed by ACORN citing the CRA, regardless of whether it was “deregulated” and bundled into securities.
And finally, the fact that you consider yourselves adults, with the implication that everyone else is a child, is EXACTLY what frightens conservatives. Next you’ll be telling us to eat our veggies and that our curfew is 10 pm.
Lot of liberal diapers seem to need changing if this comment thread is any indication
One reason we lost is we didn’t make our case. The left has campaigned for the last eight years that republicans are bad. Bush is terrible. Free markets evil. et cetera.
We’re going to have to adopt a similar stance and campaign all the time… Although, I’m not saying we have to do it in their stupid, angry, and hateful way. I’d like to think we’ll make intelligent arguments. But we must make arguments / our case. Many young people have never been exposed to anything but the left’s pov.
I want to address only one of Pat J’s points and that is the energy issue. Before terrorism, Bush’s first priority was Energy. The Democrats stonewalled the adminstrations plans. If you would bother to read the report you would find the Bush predicted dire consequences if the United States did develop the full spectrum of our energy resources. I know that you are going to say it was rigged to enrich big oil. Who do you think delivers the gasoline that you put in the car? Did you think it just shows up like magic. Had we adopted Bush’s plan big oil would have made money by gas never would have reached $3/gal let alone exceed $4. Your approach is typical of the Democrats. Put up a roadblock and then blame the Republicans for the ensuing disaster.
And by the way can you point to any American citizen whose went to jail because Bush has “shredded the constitution?
2. ajacksonian:
“That, I expect, since I toe no party line, no line of ideology beyond just doing the job, will get me criticism from the Left and Right, just as I have gotten for years.”
For what it is worth, as the Obama admin backtracks to keep some ‘controversial’ Bush policies I’ve defended them. I’ve commented that now that they are responsible for running the country, they’re acting responsible. Good for them. I’ve kept my bashing to the lefty partisans who yelled from the rooftops for years that these were bad policies… So, I’m going to try to keep from senseless bashing of Obama…
TO: All
RE: Evidence….
….that Pat J. is either extremely ignorant or much much worse. Personally, I suspect the latter.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Prevaricator, n., a liar in the larval state.]
34. Pat J:
“Shredding the Constitution is not “meaningless hyperbole.” The NSA warrentless surveilance allegedly violated the 4th Amendment regarding unwarrented search and seizures.”
Getting international calls from terrorists is probable cause…. Also, you only need a warrant one way (not for both parties). So, a non US citizen, outside the US, and terror suspect making calls to the US… not covered by the constitution… this has all been one big lefty spin machine pile of BS… Yes, the legislative branch can pass laws like FISA regulating this, but according to that constitution thingie, they are not the supreme branch / final arbitrator. So to the courts to work it out (side with one branch or the other to settle it)… it all worked within the constitutional framework.
RE writes:
“rvastar @ 18: a valiant effort, but you know as well as I do that a good Leftie will never let facts get in the way of the cause.”
..valiant effort, my ass! His post goes in my scrapbook and, rvastar, please, please, please — I’m begging you — keep up the great work!
There is certainly a particular form of rage that comes from the left, and is peculiar only to the very left. Oh sure, you have rightwing rednecks — who can’t shut up and blow off steam; who wants to hear them or try and talk with them? But that is different than the toxicity of the very left. And now that Bush will be gone, I too doubt that we will see ‘not my president’ crap stickers on cars in reference to Obama. When I see that crap I have an instinctive dislike for the driver of the vehicle, as I am unable to comprehend the sort of ugly mentality that would parade around with revealing their dark, ugly and trully shameful dispositions. I mean, who needs to know? Who needed to know who hated Bush? I mean its not enuf to just dislike and disagree — you have to hate? What’s up with that….and to think these rude, totally barbaric morons do not even hate leftist, killing, dictators…says a lot about them.
Yes. And today, gas is $1.93 per gallon in my area, and Bush is still President. What was your point again?
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And in November 2000, the price of unleaded was $1.55 a gallon!
TO: Pat J
RE: The Point?
Probably something along the lines that you’re either an idiot or a liar.
Hope that helps….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Fib, n., A lie that hasn't cut it's teeth yet.]
P.S. I’ll throw in the idea that you’re someone who’s been snorting the wrong color of chalk-dust, as you don’t seem to remember your own argument point. Hence, there is the distinct possibility that over indulgence in strange substances is resulting in short term memory impairment.
Well Pat J, I am awaiting your response on the Democrats stonewalling Bush’s energy initiatives prior to 9-11.
Fred Thompson’s video showed us how to deal with these lies: with rapier with backed by truth. It’s hard. I haven’t mastered it. But I have the sense that Sarah Palin has some of the skill, and I think that Fred would be flattered to spend some time teaching it to GOP candidates, officeholders, and writers.
There is plenty of hate and anger to go around on both the far right and the far left, so why waste the time arguing over who is angrier? The amount of hatred, intolerance, and close-mindedness that is evident on this site and countless other blogs, both democrat and republican, is astounding and frankly quite scary. Instead of arguing over which side is stupider or which side is to blame for the number of crises facing our country, why not discuss something productive? I guess the partisan blame game will never end…
Wiretaps and Habeus Corpus? Did you miss the memo? We’re at war, buddy.
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Got the memo. The Military Commissions Act of 2006 (a few years after your war began, buddy) could potentially declare anyone as an “unlawful enemy combatant” and potentially deny that person habeus corpus.
Just because we are in a state of war should not mean we not uphold certain Constitutional rights.
Me: Yes. And today, gas is $1.93 per gallon in my area, and Bush is still President. What was your point again?
PatJ: And in November 2000, the price of unleaded was $1.55 a gallon!
Again I must ask: what’s your point? If you’re trying to demonstrate that gas prices go up and down without much regard for who is President, you’re doing a fine job. If you’re trying to prove that the President somehow controls gas prices, well, you’ve got considerably more work to do. Correlation is not causation, and you haven’t even established correlation.
In any event, since you like to give Presidents credit or blame for what gas prices do during their administrations, here’s a question for you. Gas prices are lower than they have been for years. During the Obama administration, do you think they will go even lower? Or will they rise again? If they do rise, will that be Obama’s fault? If not, why not?
And by the way can you point to any American citizen whose went to jail because Bush has “shredded the constitution?
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Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri.
Well Pat J, I am awaiting your response on the Democrats stonewalling Bush’s energy initiatives prior to 9-11.
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Why don’t you name one.
Pat J:
You obviously can’t read. Al-Marri is not a citizen of the United States. He is from Qatar and is held at the Charleston Naval Brig because he was detained in the United States. He hasn’t been sent to GITMO and the 4th Circut Court has upheld his detention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Saleh_Kahlah_al-Marri
You do remember how the Democratic Congressional leadership attack Dick Cheney’s energy taskforce don’t you. I will leave it to you as exercise to find the citations on the internet. I doubt you are up to it since have demonstrated that you can’t read.
You forget one little, tiny, detail in your article Hawkins – that our rage, hatred, and politically produced cases of malignant Tourrette’s Syndrome is justified. If you don’t wnat us to act like the children in Lord of the Flies, why do you act like Piggy?
TO: jerryofva
RE: Pat J and Bad Info
Glad to see you brought that out. I tried to post it, but it wouldn’t ‘stick’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Pat J: In 2001 Bush’s Energy plan called for:
• Executive orders and agency reviews aimed at easing regulations the industry says slow the siting and licensing of power plants and gas refineries.
• A review of the Clinton administration’s interpretation of “new source review rules” that the coal industry and refiners say discourage them from making technological and other improvements because they run the risk of tougher environmental rules. (Bush plan calls for more coal burning plants)
• Opening parts of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil and gas exploration, and encouraging the Interior and other departments to look at opening other federal lands now off-limits to energy exploration. (More details on energy exploration)
• Officials say the plan includes $10 billion over 10 years for tax incentives including hybrid vehicle purchases, methane gas development and solar power cell installation. (More details on hybrid vehicles)
Now Pat J…do you see which ones the democrats stonewalled?
Pat J: I would like to look forward and give Obama a chance…would you please enlighten all of us here as to what Obama’s energy plan will be?
Now Pat J…do you see which ones the democrats stonewalled?
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Yes. Because they were all insensible.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/newenergy
Again I must ask: what’s your point?
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My point is the price of gas is irrelevant. It just happened to go up to $4.00 a gallon while an oilman was President. Ironic yes?
My the right is angry today. Sort of refutes the author’s point again.
“Yet there is amble evidence … ”
Evidence that ambles. Sounds like nonsense on stilts.
You obviously can’t read. Al-Marri is not a citizen of the United States. He is from Qatar and is held at the Charleston Naval Brig because he was detained in the United States. He hasn’t been sent to GITMO and the 4th Circut Court has upheld his detention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Saleh_Kahlah_al-Marri
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Well that’s Wikipedia for you. Under the “habeus corpus” entry, it showed him as a legal resident. But that’s Wikipedia for ou. Not the most reliable source.
Pat J:
Well Pat J, I am awaiting your response on the Democrats stonewalling Bush’s energy initiatives prior to 9-11.
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Why don’t you name one.
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Well?
TO: Achillea
RE: [OT] Inadvertent Humor
I like it.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Laughing stock: Cattle with a sense of humour.]
TO: All
RE: More Stupidity, Anyone?
Pat J obviously must be a recent graduate of the vaunted American public education system, which doesn’t teach English, logic, or civics. As he/she/it cannot differentiate between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘legal resident’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid.]
In any event, since you like to give Presidents credit or blame for what gas prices do during their administrations, here’s a question for you. Gas prices are lower than they have been for years. During the Obama administration, do you think they will go even lower? Or will they rise again? If they do rise, will that be Obama’s fault? If not, why not?
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They will certain rise again. Hopefully not as presciptiously as during the Cheney administration. It won’t be Obama’s fault but at least he’ll probably try to do something instead of holding hands with the Saudis.
Oops. Stand corrected. He was a legal resident. Not a U.S. citizen.
Pat J: In your comment, #13, you wrote:
In #22 I responded:
In #34, Pat J writes:
So, I ask again: who is it ACORN was dragging to the polls?
So, I ask again: who is it ACORN was dragging to the polls?
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Answer: No one was being dragged by ACORN to the polls.
And Chuck(le), I do know the difference and was man enough to correct myself instead of resulting to childish comments.
70. David: I know the answer…can I answer it please?
68. Pat J: After saying Bush was responsible for the $4 gas this past summer you now say, “It won’t be Obama’s fault but at least he’ll probably try to do something instead of holding hands with the Saudis.”
You are right, he won’t be holding hands with the Saudis since he only has two hands…one will be holding onto Ahmadinejad and the other will be holding Abbas.
Pat J: What are Obama’s Energy Plan’s?
Pat J: Obama’s Energy Plan from his page (I put my questions in parenthesis at the end of each of his points):
*Provide short-term relief to American families facing pain at the pump (HOW?)
*Help create five million new jobs by strategically investing $150 billion over the next ten years to catalyze private efforts to build a clean energy future. (HOW?)
*Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined. (HOW?)
* Put 1 million Plug-In Hybrid cars — cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon — on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America. (WHO WILL BE BUYING THEM? IS HE GIVING THEM AS FREE HANDOUTS?)
*Ensure 10 percent of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025. (HE STOLE THAT FROM MCCAIN)
*Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050. (WHAT???)
Fanatics whining about other fanatics and engaging in gross generalities, how unenlightening
Ms. Attitude? I mean no disrespect. Did you not scroll down?
All of the bullet points you mentioned are provided in greater detail.
What are Obama’s Energy Plan’s?
I can answer that.
Bush is a Republican. He once worked in the oil industry. Therefore, in some dastardly manner or another he has been stifling the flowering of green technology for the enrichment of his rich industrialist friends. Details don’t matter; Bush is a Republican and he MUST somehow at fault for everything.
Therefore, Obama need only enter office and remove ‘roadblocks’ (to be identified later in some manner or another), and voila! — instant technological innovation and total repuditation of every known scientific law (all of which are Republican conspiracies that can be executive ordered away, like the Law of Supply and Demand).
What’s to know?
Regardless of what your sensitivity counselor tells you every Wednesday, reality isn’t subjective.
I didn’t attempt to refute your “points”…I did.
Shredding the Constitution is not “meaningless hyperbole.” The NSA warrentless surveilance allegedly violated the 4th Amendment regarding unwarrented search and seizures. This is one of the move obvious violations.
Oh, that’s right…all those pesky allegations.
Silly me…I forgot I was dealing with a typically reality-challenged Leftist hack. I was just sticking to the FACTS.
And nice job ignoring Dem complicity.
Disturbing?
Your ignorance is disturbing. Your stupidity is disturbing.
Your little list?
Just boilerplate Lefty drivel…not a fact in sight, for as far as the eye can see.
And nice job ignoring Dem complicity.
And why don’t you explain to us all what should have been done to stop the attack?…that wouldn’t have seen the Bush Adminstration excoriated as racial-profiling, Christian zealot hatemongers by the likes of you?
You know…you’re absolutely right. I apologize. Something was in fact done.
He bombed a campground.
Thanks, Pres. Clinton.
Holla’atcha boy.
Someone correct if I’m wrong, but wasn’t bin Laden the leader of Al-Queda in 1993? When Clinton was President?
So wouldn’t that mean that bin Laden was also free on Clinton’s watch?
Gee, I don’t know!?!
when a police officer isn’t involved in a shoot out, why doesn’t he just go home?
When firefighters aren’t fighting a fire, why are they sitting around the station house?
When foreigners are only guilty of taking flying lessons, why should they be arrested?
Here’s a plan. Don’t build waterfront cities under sea-level in Hurricane Alley.
What’s also evident is that 50+ of those released have been recaptured on the battlefield, shooting at American soldiers.
But you probably consider that a bonus.
Really? It’s not just a little more complicated than that?
That’s exactly what they did…attempting, over and over again, to change the rules in mid-game until they got the result that they wanted.
Really? Provide us with links to some of this “evidence”.
Right. The FACT that the subprime loans and mortgage-backed securities that caused the market meltdown are DIRECTLY traceable to Clinton’s actions are “irrelevant”. The FACT that none of this would be happening if it weren’t for Clinton’s actions is “irrelevant”.
That’s the first thing you’ve gotten right all day! Congratulations!
Hope’s got nothing to do with it. Math does. Economics does. REALITY does. It won’t be around in another 50 years.
That’s why I’m planning ahead for myself. It’s called “personal responsibility”.
I know that’s probably gibberish to you, but there may be some mention of the subject at barackobama.com…even if it’s just orders from The One for you to stick your fingers in your ears and yell “blah!…blah!…blah!…blah!” everytime you hear it.
They make it so easy, one almost feels bad for them…almost
Pat J: I don’t like to go on his page and scroll around. I heard enough of his lies on TV. Plus I might be tempted to type something to offend his followers. Like some people on here.
TO: Pat J
RE: Self-Correction
Good on you.
And shouldn’t that read, “….instead of RESORTING….”?
When did you graduate high school? And from whence?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Education makes a people easy to lead, but difficult to drive; Easy to govern, but impossible to enslave. - Lord Henry Brougham]
P.S. Too bad the vaunted American public education system isn’t doing that anymore. And I have to wonder why…..
74. Ms Attitude:
*Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined. (HOW?)
By properly inflating your tires, making sure your engine is properly tuned, and leaving your vehicle in the driveway.lol
LOL….I’ll make sure I inflate my tires, that extra money I save I can use to pay for those tolls and extra taxes he will put on autos, gas, etc, etc, etc, etc…..
To celebrate his election, I’m going to go charge up all of my credit cards, I will have HOPE that he will bail out my charges!! Dumb me, I bought a house I could afford…if only I knew that the one was going to be office…
#71 Pat J.
ACORN, like Planned Parenthood, does not bother to set up a table at the library or go door to door in the suburbs. They target the people they are after.
So, Pat J. describe the people ACORN targets. Please don’t forget to comment on “stupid” and “ignorant” as modifiers.
I might add, your spin is so obvious and erratic that you could not get a union job as a street sweeper following a merry-go-round. The more you blather, the more pathetic your points of view become. I can not image any self-respecting demagogue using your services beyond changing the bags in the office trash cans.
Perhaps you are still in middle school and there is substantial room for growth, but at this point you appear to have burned out of “potential” and you are running on rapidly disappearing fumes.
It is time to start screaming about Bush-Hitler and launching into Palin. It won’t do you any good, but it will make you feel taller.
If Ann Coulter’s words are nasty, then try comparing them to Olbermann. He is just as acerbic & uses his position as a “hard News ‘journalist’ (sic)” to push his thoughts.
We will have four years of black is white, up is down, right is wrong, and only liberal words & thoughts will be permitted, otherwise they are hateful & incite violence.
Slashing tires, creating voter registrations for human beings who do not exist (all with federal funding for activities), smacking old ladies who did not vote according to what specific groups demand all vote for under the banner of civil rights (sic)?
The rage list goes on & on. Over the next four years the media will help some create false impressions of such rage…. but in truth none of it will match reality. Oh but wait, we had that in this election when candidate experience counted for why we should elect, even though the experiences were disowned by the candidate once they were exposed for what they really are!
And Barney Frank was right when he said Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac are strong financially & Republican attempts to regulate them are just racist & discriminatory to the poor & blacks. Never mind those receiving the loans cannot pay them back & could not even when the loans were given.
But, now that Obama is in office, we should all unify behind him & his agenda for a better America. So long as its “his” America that is!
I just went into our bedroom, kissed my husband goodnight who said, “Now go back to your computer
and save the world.
So I left the bedroom, went back to my computer and discovered that John Hawkins had done it for me.
Thanks John, I’m going into the living to watch “Monk.”
Ha ha Ravstar. How’ sit going living under a COMMUNIST MUSLIM DICTATOR LIKE HITLER. You dinosaur, you.
#38
Obammy Poo-poo…………..
Rush Limbaugh is NOT “a particularly angry guy”? Come back after you rejoin the reality-based community.
And shouldn’t that read, “….instead of RESORTING….”?
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Yes it should.
So, Pat J. describe the people ACORN targets. ———
I would argue “target” is not the correct word. I prefer the word “advocate.” As they tend to serve as an advocate for mainly low to middle income families on a variety of issues. They are a community service organization.
Now I gather from the tone of your question, you’re asking who does ACORN “target” for voter registration drives? That would be minorities and the poor. Two demographics that predominatly vote Democrat. There was a cry from some saying representatives from ACORN were submitting fraudulent voter registrations. Some reps did. It was easy money. But guess what? ACORN flagged and self policed itself. At times firing those who were committing fraud just to make an easy buck.
I hope that answered your question David. And thanks.
Liberal “intolerance” is a more apt description of their behavior.
Their hatred of Bush has morphed into hatred of anyone who shoots a gun, is Christian, homeschools their children, is pro-life, etc.
Their hate-list is quite extensive and includes millions of Americans. In fact, there are so many types of Americans that liberals hate that they now hate almost half the population of the US!
At what point will liberals realize their anger needs to be managed better?
It’s not a problem at all, BoreUs!
See, I’m a firm believer in tough love. Sometimes, people just have to learn the hard way…nations too for that matter.
And after you Leftists have had 4-8 years of trying to ram gay marriage down Americans throats…after you’ve thrown open the borders to the point that this country is unrecognizable…after everyone sees more money coming out of their paychecks, regardless of The One’s promises…after the country watches the coming Gay-Black-Hispanic “My Grievance First!” TNT Smackdown…after you close Gitmo to show The World how sensitive you are, and are thanked with explosions in another American city…after Medvedev, Putin, and Mad-Dinner-Jacket string Obambi along, then tell him to go f#ck himself a few times…and after the continuing meltdown of standards at the MSM leaves no one tuning in to buy your lies…
Then…we’ll see who the dinosaur is
And after all of that…you still won’t have one a single argument…and I’ll still be exposing you as the intellectually dishonest Leftist hack you are.
By the way…did you ever get around to asking your mother how she liked kissing my “dirty” mouth?
Yeah, well:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081114/ap_on_el_pr/obama_threats
http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2008/10/acorn-deluged-w.html
“Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, neither of whom are particularly angry guys.”
Really? I’d love hear your definition of anger….
Being supported by the left, keep GM in business with billions of dollars of our money to build a $40000 electric car that only goes 40 miles until you have to recharge it. We didn’t bail put the airlines out after 9/11 why are we bailing out all these companies now? Bankruptcy has a purpose to make a company more efficient and profitable when it emerges from bankruptcy. Those on both sides Washington think they are playing with Monopoly money and are clueless how a free market should work. Are they that stupid naturally or on purpose to wreck our country. The stock market has turned onto a roulette wheel and our economy into a craps table.
And Schumer Pelosi Reed etc you know where you can shove your fairness doctrine, Frank where you can shove your defense cuts but would be turned on by doing so what a bunch of incompetent dunces. Paulson you can’t bail out your basement much less our economy. You are there to serve the people not
vice versa so start doing so.
78. rvastar:
…I didn’t attempt to refute your “points”…I did.
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Bullsh*t. My main point was that all these things happened on Bush’s watch. I win.
Choosing Obama as our next president was a reflection of this anger. The American people won.
You can blame the Democrats, blame Clinton, blame Obama all you want. It just refutes the title of this article. “Right wing rage” is not left wing projection. Right wing rage is a lot of hot air.
Thanks for telling the truth John, not enough conservatives know how to do that. I find it quite interesting that the republicans, or the republican party in general, is so screwed up that it even refuses to use the truth about it’s own opponents in political races.
I find it rather amazing, and I’m sure I don’t understand what causes it – but it is certain to be very detrimental to the USA inm general.
Stranger yet, the same republicans visciously go after their own, if there is the slightest foul wind about one coming from- you guessed it – the republicans political opponents.
That I don’t comprehend either – maybe it’s the biblical passage about the tree branch in one’s own eye being removed first before helping one’s neighbor… sounds screwey but then what can anyone make of it – the way it goes down…
I guess maybe #12 is sort of explanation – the problem with that explanation is that anyone with a brain knows it’s FALSE.
The opponent lies and schemes and cons their way to acccusations that have no basis – but the #12 type holds back the truth on their opponent “so as not to be like them”.
That’s the type of “liberal thinking” that is really a brainwashed LIE.
They used it – effectively, along with McCain, the fool, to claim if the USA does anything (fill in the blank) She will be just as bad as the terrorists.
I guess most of the republican party has also been brainwashed and infiltrated by the communist influences so badly, they cannot tell the truth from fiction anymore.
The truth is the USA NEEDS to (fill in the blank) to the enemy – because the enemy is so vile and out of control, they deserve every last bit of it – and it’s long overdue.
Much like the lying crew of the democrats deserve to be called out on the mat 1000% – but of course, using someone’s middle name would be “wrong”, or pointing out their associations would be – wrong.
The STUPIDITY – and the suicidal, lying mindset required for such a stance and all it’s forms is beyond me, frankly. I have to conclude the brainwashing has already occurred, I have no other explanation.
So thanks, John, for not being the brainwashed, zombie. I really, really appreciate it.
PS- I quite understand #12 was being sarcastic – the problem is – that sarcasm plays for truth somewhere up in the machine – and is passed down as “the status quo” and “how to behave”.
I guess we have some real fruit loops in charge.
You said:
Katrina – No plan of action until after the storm struck. Bush was busy blowing out McCain’s birthday candles. By then a lot of innocent people had died. Heckuva job.
You’re right. Inexcusable. Why, Superman would have flown at supersonic speeds in the OPPOSITE rotation of the hurricane, and nullified the winds. Then with a super-straw he could have taken a super-drink of the floodwaters, and super-spit them onto the other side of the levees.
Bush…what a jerk.
I lived in Seattle and San Francisco. Bloodthirsty protest marches, Bush as Hitler, effigies of Bush, graffiti everywhere, anti-semitic marches. Is there any equivalent of rage from the right?
I went to a Kurdish celebration that Saddam was out of power, and leftwingers mocked people whose families were murdered by the dictator.
I have to go out in public. Rightwing rage? Turn off the radio.
Bravo to Calvin Dodge, rvastar and others for the spirited rebuttals of liberal fantasies. I wish conservative elected leaders would follow that lead.
Katrina – No plan of action until after the storm struck. Bush was busy blowing out McCain’s birthday candles. By then a lot of innocent people had died. Heckuva job.
LOL
It wasn’t democrats that controlled New Orleans was it?
Controlled Louisiana?
The democrat mayor was in such a rush to get out he left the poor democrats to drown in the Katrina floods. He could have ordered all the city and school buses to provide poor people with transportation, but he chose to do nothing.
The Democrat Governor of Louisiana told President Bush to leave her state alone, until a thousand had drowned.
You democrats think we are stupid until we tell you what happened.
Obama has already started making stupid democrat decisions for the poor people.
ENJOY!
Just because your mommy tells you that you’re her “special little guy” and that your “feelings” count, that doesn’t translate into winning arguments, Lefty.
I amply displayed your ass-hattery on every topic, in every post…including this one.
Now…don’t you need to go check your “Lil’ Comrades” account at Change.gov? To find out your socially responsible thought of the day?
Pat J now says:
WOW! You were only listing events that occurred over eight years. Just innocent facts. Like the shredding of the Constitution, the worst terrorist attack on American soil after a dire a warning, the misguided war in Iraq, domestic wiretapping, an attempt to politicize the justice department, the removal of habeus corpus, the gazillion dollar deficit, the administration turned its back on the people in a quest for power.
I am delighted to know what the contest (you say you won) was all about. I am equally glad to know that you did not resort to hyperbole or pure opinion. You stayed neutral all the way. Good on you. (Where do we go to see the Constitution shreds or did Bush throw them down an oil well? How big is a gazillion in comparison to a bailout? Hey! maybe your “facts” need a little more fine tuning. You think?)
And you cap your exposition with this sterling bon mot:
Excuse me? Did you mean to say LEFT wing? As I review your list I partially listed immediately above, I have not heard these points from the right.
I am in awe of your ability to swing a sledgehammer at the attack butterflies of your mind without totally destroying your sanity.
But I am glad you “win.” When you try to pee with the tall dogs, it helps you ignore why you always end up being peed upon.
In an egalitarian society, the government will provide elevator paws and leg shortenings so that all dogs pee from the same level at the hydrant. You will be very happy and you will no miseries and there will be no winners or losers and no reason to care. It will all be Elysian Fields, ever more graphic X-box “reality” and days of wine and roses.
God bless you…you need it!!
TO: Angela Johnson
RE: Heh
Don’t we all?
The big challenge is to accept the blessing. Isn’t it…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. Are you a REAL christian? Has The Christ come in the flesh? I mean, previous to this One we just elected?
To “fear Obama”: Gawd, Katrina again….
Let’s make this very clear — the federal government was the major screw-up there, no ifs or buts. Blanco and Nagin executed their part of the preexisting evacuation plan. Not perfectly, but well enough to get 350-400,000 evacuated in short order, and the rest who stayed behind were willing to leave their homes to shelters. The National Guard, Army Corp of Engineers, and FEMA were all notified in time and all confirmed (or claimed) that they were prepped and ready.
Blanco also used the Stafford Act to request emergency assistance from Bush and FEMA when it became apparent that Louisiana would not have the resources to deal with a CAT 4 or 5 hurricane hit.
While admittedly the various plans weren’t executed perfectly, the end result was that when Tuesday morning came, the locals had done their job. The alleged issue with the school buses was never more than dimwitted BS — the evacuation route was at least an 8 hr journey, and it was decided that the lack of “facilities” on a school bus would have been very problematic, especially with the elderly and families with babies. And since the Feds were suppose to arrive in the morning….
It was from that point on that everything became a huge clusterf*ck upon clusterf*ck of major screwups, delays and outright inaction by the then Three Stooges: Bush, Michael and the other Michael. If the Feds had shown up when they were suppose to, there would have been little or no issue. Remember that New Orleans weathered the storm itself — it was a big levee breach that was the main issue after the Katrina passed by, which was Monday, August 29. But aside from the Coast Guard doing rooftop rescues here and there, the Feds were missing in action until Friday, November 2nd.
Subsequent investigations showed that there was a complete breakdown in communications all through DHS and FEMA, so much so that people watching TV knew what was going on better than even the head of DHS, Michael Chertoff, who didn’t think to turn on CNN or even Fox:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/51431
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/1005/101905c1.htm
Final post.
I just want to thank everyone for this spirited discussion. Quite frankly I was pulling everyone’s leg at times quite intentionally just to see what sort of reaction it would bring. I was baiting many of you. Someone with a supposed left-leaning point of view was needed to add spirit to an otherwise dull discussion.
Thus proving the point of the author..Right- wing rage = Left-wing projection. Thanks again.
All the best
God Bless
bright blessings
namaste
And Pat J, having nowhere else to go, tells everyone it was all a brilliant set up to demonstrate his wit and wisdom.
Supposedly, the bullies who ganged up on him in the school yard are left to examine their own stupidity and ignorance.
Usually, when KOS Kids come spewing the talking points, they snark and run. I will give it to Pat J that he at least stuck around and wriggled on the hook.
John Hawkins stated it clearly at the beginning of his essay:
Now, poor defeated Pat J tells us there is another point altogether. When the left toys with the facts, the uptight right can be goaded into calling them names if the left sticks to the talking points.
The moral of the story as Pat J tells it is: Swallow it hook, line and sinker. Otherwise, you are a racist, homophobe, stupid, ignorant, lardbutt, partisan, mean-spirited pimple.
Pat J proves John Hawkins’ thesis. But then he cuts the line and still wriggling on the hook that he stuck in himself, he attempts to swim away while giving all the admiring sunfish in the pond a cheery wave.
An old mud carp is going to chomp down on Pat J, spit the hook out, and eventually crap him into the ooze of the river banks that line the stream of life.
Nice try Pat J, but no cigar. (Actually, it really wasn’t a particularly notable try. Rather prosaic, if anything.)
I was shocked by the level of hatred for Hillary Clinton that emerged from the so-called “progressives.” Still am.
And that is also why the Democrats lost my vote, too. 35 years…..straight Democrat.
That ended with the intense and highly irrational rhetoric of the left-wing.
I won’t be back, either. Unreasonable people do not offer anything good for the country, and I have no use for either right-wing or left-wing orators who stir up crud and serve it as political commentary.
No thanks.
AnninCA,
I have met a lot of people who experienced the epiphany of the depth of leftist bile when Hillary was so ignominiously dumped and dumped upon.
But, Ann Coulter aside, when right-wing orators stir up left-wing crud, it is valid political commentary. Obama is a remarkable phenomenon. What is lacking in the man that the MSM refused and refuses to address? It is all those things the right-wing orators have pointed out.
Palin was savaged by the left-wing. But her executive experience far exceeds that of Obama. Certainly, if you were being a disinterested judge, you could make the list of Palin’s and Obama’s executive leadership and actions and show it graphically. But the passion of partisanship and the divide between being devoutly “progressive” or “conservative” makes individuals do and say irrational things.
In defense of Ann Coulter, she is the Imus or Howard Stern of right-wing commentary. The left-wing never dismantles her premiss, they go apoplectic over her adjectives. That is her shtick and it is mostly amusing to the choir and rarely accepted by the sinners.
Rush Limbaugh predicted the Hillary/Obama rift and started “Operation Chaos” to exploit it.
New Hampshire has a devastating influence on the primaries. People can pour in there from everywhere and vote in the primary. (They only have to say they are thinking of moving to New Hampshire.) The Republicans got nailed with John McCain because of this. Perhaps a lot of Democrats flooded in to choose him. That is Rush Limbaugh’s conclusion.
So, in Operation Chaos, Rush suggested that Republicans keep Hillary going in the primaries. It worked, but many Democrats were enraged that this was unsportsmanlike conduct and was making a mockery of ….. blah, blah, blah. Of course, ACORN which receives a lot of federal funding is not a non-partisan, totally above board altruistic band of idealists who are bringing the vote to the isolated little people. ACORN is a sleazy Democrat gang of ideologues that targets the lazy, the deceitful, the reprobates, and even the mentally ill in key precincts. Besides which, they flood the zone with multiple bogus registrations and costly, frivolous legal maneuvers all to weaken and confuse the election process.
Before you dismiss right-wing orators out of hand, I suggest you examine your own “progressive” principles. If you believe in wealth redistribution by state intervention, socialized medicine, education, retirement, etc., using the force of law to manage the culture, limiting political speech on the airwaves, government management of the economy, etc. then you will find that your principles are in conflict with conservative principles.
However, if you are mostly concerned about improving health care and access to it, meeting the energy problems head on, improving education, expanding the economy, strengthening the infrastructure, defending the country against enemies both domestic and foreign and preserving the freedoms in the Bill of Rights you might be open to conservatism and right-wing oratory.
Brad:
“Who needed to know who hated Bush? I mean its not enuf to just dislike and disagree — you have to hate? What’s up with that….and to think these rude, totally barbaric morons….”
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Priceless.
Typo — I meant to say Friday, September 2nd, not Friday, November 2nd (if anyone cares….)
BC:
Katrina was a mess in which New Orleans, Louisiana, FEMA all dropped the ball. FEMA had to be asked in by the governor in order to take over local authority. It is doubtful that FEMA would have done any better if it had been asked. But the governor specifically turned down federal control before Katrina hit. The mayor of New Orleans specifically told the governor that he was in charge and did not turn the city over to state control. The mayor turned away evacuation services from Amtrak. Your tale about the school busses is a red herring. The school busses were the backbone of the evacuation plan drawn up by New Orleans and submitted to Homeland Security for emergency evacuation well in advance of Katrina.
After Katrina hit, the mayor of New Orleans appeared on television ordering that busses show up immediately and evacuate people. The Mayor’s pleas may have been dramatic, but his force of political power stops at the city limits. It was a classic example of too little too late.
The current governor of Louisiana has made certain that hurricane plans are complete and the state government and New Orleans government not only have a plan, but are prepared to act. This past September, Louisiana showed that the state and the city have pulled themselves up to the adult level.
Louisiana is no stranger to hurricanes. What is always lost in the Katrina story is how well Mississippi, Alabama and Florida handled the same devastation from Katrina. New Orleans immediately played the victim card and shifted the blame.
It is clear that you have a dog in this fight. But, politics aside, New Orleans and Louisiana were the first responders and the governor and the mayor went into the eye of the storm like it was just another career move.
Maybe New Orleans will have a flood of evacuees from Houston some day and the city will have the chance to handle the influx with the good spirits and competency demonstrated in Houston. Personally, I don’t think The Big Easy will ever escape the filth and deceit of its long entrenched political system.
TO: All
RE: BC and Katrina….
What an asinine statement THAT is.
I wonder how much time BC has done working in Emergency Management. From his comment, it is apparent to me, the answer is ‘none at all’.
I did over 10 years helping state-level planning for natural disasters and national emergencies, working are area that made up the western third of the contiguous 48 states. That included throwing an 8.3 earthquake at Oregon, with an impending eruption of Mount Hood and a radiation leak at the Trojan nuclear power plant to the west of Portland.
BC seems to think that the feds show up at a scene just like your local fire department. That’s not the case. The real truth is that the Governor of a state has to ASK the feds to come and help. Governor Blanco didn’t ask until it was way too late to do much of anything.
And, to add to the disaster, Governor Blanco and her State Adjutant General, i.e., the military commander of the Louisiana National Guard, allowed their one major military formation, a Mech-Infantry Heavy Independent Brigade, to be deployed to Iraq during the hurricane season.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[There is no known cure for 'dumb'.]
TO: David
RE: As I Told BC
The law STATES that the governor MUST ask for federal intervention.
Or would you rather that the feds just show up on their own, without persmission, and just ‘take over’? From local government? Whenever they feel like doingit?
That’s called ‘martial law’, where I come from.
Think about it….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, "We're from the government and we're here to help." -- President Ronald Reagan]
Chuck Pelto:
I am confused about why you have referenced my comment: FEMA had to be asked in by the governor in order to take over local authority.
The FEDERAL Emergency Management Agency can not come into a state without the permission of the governor. This is because of the Constitutional division of powers between the state governments and the national government.
Before Katrina hit, President Bush (2) specifically asked Governor Blanco if she wanted FEMA presence in Louisiana. She said “no” to President Bush (2) right through the evening before Katrina came ashore. Mayor Nagin also told Governor Blanco that he did not need her to send in the Louisiana National Guard. In the morning of the day before Katrina, Amtrak notified Mayor Nagin that they were going to pull their equipment out of New Orleans to save it. They offered to take evacuees with them. This was the last of many Amtrak offers of evacuation help that Mayor Nagin turned down.
After one more late evening call to Mayor Blanco and one more refusal for Federal help, President Bush (2) went to bed. By that time, there was nothing left to do but wait and see what would happen.
After Katrina hit, FEMA went into action in Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Florida. The governors requested FEMA and they ordered the National Guard out. FEMA works with state and local authorities, but all smoke aside, FEMA has martial law powers in coordination with the National Guard.
There is no real evidence that “Brownie” muffed the preparedness planning on the part of FEMA. He quickly became the fall guy for the anger unleashed by Blanco, Nagin and Shepherd Smith. Most of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the Florida panhandle quietly went to work with FEMA’s help and did not clutter up the news. Chertoff went into CYA mode and helped make Brown the whack-a-mole in the spotlight.
Lawton Chiles pinned the same wrap on Bush (1). Before Andrew tore into Homestead, Florida, President Bush (1) offered to get the Marines and FEMA down to the Miami area to be in place. Chiles said he wanted the state to handle it. After the storm hit, Chiles still stalled. Meanwhile, the generators, ice, water, and Marines were piled up in South Carolina waiting to make the 12+ hour trek when Chiles finally asked for Federal help.
Neither President Bush had the Constitutional power to force Federal help on reticent governors. The media was derelict in its duty to make that clear to the public. In all likelihood, the only thing FEMA (with military help) could have done was to be better situated and to have forced evacuations under martial law.
Obama is constrained by the same Constitution when it comes to out thinking governors.
TO: David
RE: FEMA Activtion
Well….
….maybe I was confused by the way you put the first two sentences of your comment #114, when you said….
You came across like BC to me.
RE: Obama? Constrained?
I wouldn’t count on that if I were you.
First indicator, his unwillingness to provide a bona vide, signed and sealed birth certificate.
All the material all the Democrats and ‘progressives’ have provided wouldn’t hold up in ANY court of law….except one that doesn’t honor truth or the Constitution of the United States.
So, I’d suggest you keep a weather eye on the Constitution and an Obamanation administration.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. In a worst case scenario, I would expect to see the suppression of freedom of speech, via people who say bad or disagreeable things about The One, being cut off from use of the internet. That would be what we say in military parlance, a ‘key indicator’.
But it will be hard to notice, because you’ll be looking for absence as opposed to presence.
Chuck(le)
Obama has the same “constraints” of the Constitutional division of powers between the national and state governments.
He may walk over those “constraints” and the MSM may give him a pass and a chuckle. I can relate several instances where Clinton did exactly that. I have been covering Presidents and governors since the early 1950′s. My eyes are open and I have plenty of things I look for. Your warning that I become attuned to Obama is duly noted.
The disrespectful and vitriolic comments displayed on this thread by both “left” and “right” bloggers is disheartening to say the least. Arguing opinions and perspectives is futile and ultimately a waste of time. Does anyone honestly think that they’re going to change someone’s mind by belittling and insulting them? Really, what’s the point? C’mon people we’re better than this.