I Come Not to Praise Glenn Beck, But to Bury Him
When originally endeavoring to write an approximately 800-word opinion piece on Glenn Beck, I hadn’t taken into account what a truly difficult task it would be. I’ve no desire to alienate some of my many friends on the right currently embracing Beck. But I do have this terrible habit of usually speaking my mind. Glenn Beck deserves credit for what he is doing to hurt Obama — there is no question about that. But in thinking about the man overall as a media figure today, one allegedly aligned with the right, I also have serious concerns. I tried to do my best to address the topic fairly, and I regret that so complex a topic took me almost 1,800 words.
Given the down feeling across the right after last year’s elections, it’s almost exciting to watch Glenn Beck inject a new vitality into the nation’s political discourse. Nearly every one of Beck’s shows packs the respect, depth, sincerity, and intelligence of a good joke at a funeral parlor into one uproarious hour after another. I don’t know how anyone can keep from snickering … at least a little bit. So, what’s the harm in a good joke?
The harm as I see it is that so many seem to be taking the joke seriously. But can you blame them? No, probably not. The media culture of today has done everything in its power to prevent the right from seeing a serious, effective leadership emerge on the national stage. One need only look back to the recent — in fact, ongoing — mistreatment of Sarah Palin to demonstrate that. A deeply informed and experienced radio host, Mark Levin, has broken out in the radio world with ratings that make Glenn Beck’s real numbers look like the third tier radio host he actually is. Levin also wrote a significant New York Times bestseller, moving well over a million copies by now. But there was no Time cover, no Newsweek splash, no Katie Couric interview for that. Have you ever paused long enough to ask yourself why?
Full disclosure — yes, Mark Levin has become something of a dear and trusted friend. But please don’t mistake this as carping or defense on his behalf. Mark is the last person I know who needs or wants to be defended by someone else. My opinions in this matter have nothing to do with Levin and everything to do with the future of the right and the desperate need we have of winning a large number of state and district elections in 2010. And I am not suggesting that Glenn Beck should somehow shut up, go away, or stop pointing a finger at this out-of-control leftist White House whenever he can. Let’s be clear about that. What I am suggesting is that at least some relatively small but vocal amount of people are misunderstanding why Beck is getting the media exposure that he is.
In short, the elitist media gets the joke. They are not putting him up there because they find him an effective, articulate spokesman for the right. They find him an oddity, something they can pin prick and laugh at. And consciously or not, they also know he has the potential to do tremendous damage to the right while having accomplished very little if anything much at all to help it himself. And that’s a fact. He was given a non-prominent microphone and television show in a mostly uncompetitive time slot, replacing a very decent but relatively uncompelling and beyond-his-prime John Gibson. And piggybacking on the efforts of others, Beck has displayed tremendous marketing ability, or his handlers have, in making the absolute best use of it while also doing damage to a politically dangerous White House. He deserves praise and full credit for that.
However, we should not confuse what it is and what it is not, nor lose sight of the extremely dangerous time bombs he has planted for the right as he’s gone so thoughtlessly and carelessly on his way in doing it. First some facts as to what Beck has and has not actually done in terms of damaging the Obama administration. From the 9/12 tea party march, to Van Jones, the NEA scandal, and ACORN, none of these were the genuine work of Glenn Beck. He did no heavy lifting on any of those stories other than ginning up noise around them on his show, often milking them for days while, to genuine observers, all the facts were out there for anyone of a mind to find them out. That isn’t an insult. He has a television presence and it’s good that he’s currently using it to capitalize on stories that help the right and undermine Obama. I’m not begrudging him that.
But his attempt to co-opt the tea party movement with that silly 9/12 Project nonsense that never actually caught on was the most ham-fisted and perhaps only insulting one of them all. Nine principles and 12 values? Can anyone even name them today? They were supposed to be what it was all about once. Oh well, at least one of his marketing schemes hasn’t tracked, so we do know he’s human after all. The D.C. tea party protest was always planned to come off. All Beck did was come up with a scheme to weave into it, trying to make it his, and it failed. I know because I was there. Aside from whatever more rabid fans he may have encircled himself with for his broadcast that day, nothing about 9/12 was about Glenn Beck. The movement preceded him, just as it preceded Obama, having started under Bush. And frankly, getting off one’s duff and getting involved in local or state party politics or actively joining up with the tea party movement is the only thing that’s going to help take back America and set the Republican Party right for the center-right. In that sense, Beck is a distraction, if nothing else. But he is also something far worse. He’s a genuine danger to us and we need to sort that out. Without taking credit away from Beck for talking it up as he did, along with many, many others, the notion that 9/12 was much about Beck is a joke. The many pushing it were simply more generous in crediting the people actually involved — the little people, patriotic Americans across the country like you and me who are driving it. They stand in stark contrast to Beck, who seems to ultimately and always be about himself. As for the real meat behind the various other scandals mentioned, it was either Breitbart or blogger Gateway Pundit who did the real work on those. Beck’s great contribution was again, like others, to broadcast them. That’s a good thing. He deserves credit for that, though also unfortunately he seems so willing to make them his own. I guess that’s what so-called stars, or wannabe famous people, do.
But what else has he done? This represents my only serious concerns involving Beck. Otherwise, I doubt I’d be much interested in him at all. He’s called Barack Obama a racist, for one. I’m appalled by my friends on the right who seem so willing to pass that remark off as insignificant — almost pretending it was never said. It was outrageous, undeserved, and represents nothing but the very kind of racist cudgel the left has been falsely charging the right with being for years. Maybe Beck is one, otherwise he could never conceive of making such a remark — and so publicly at that.
I thought Barack Obama wasn’t even “really” black to many of his critics? I thought the good friend he was “pal-ing around with,” domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, was white? In fact, Obama has probably broken bread with more white people than black over the years. And forget the nuance, the rationalization around what it is he really meant or was trying to say. That doesn’t and won’t matter when the left and the media pick it back up and turn it on you, not just Glenn Beck, to call you intolerant and racist, just as they have wrongly been doing for years.
So, Beck-heads, be advised. If nothing else, don’t come crying to me about how a biased media mistreats you and calls you names you don’t deserve to be called when they tire of the right’s alleged fair-haired boy and decide to use his recklessness and lack of thought against you. And they will do it not just to you, but the entire conservative movement because he was prominently embraced and not denounced. Well, not me. And I want to be very clear and on record here. The comment was uncalled for.
And what about those internment camps? That’s a good one. When the story first broke I looked into it. It took all of an hour to read the text of the actual bill and see there was nothing to it at all. Yet somehow it took Beck, all the while stirring up his would-be masses, a month to figure it out. Really? With his supposedly dogged researchers and researching skills? Please, give me a break. So there again Beck has planted the very seed that, just as Obama’s past with ACORN is currently doing to him, is going to come back and hurt the right to a significant degree. We’ll be denounced en masse as a bunch of wild-eyed conspiracy freaks and racists. And thanks to any broad embrace of Glenn Beck and the lowest common denominator of showmanship that he represents, this time you’ll deserve it.
I understand the center-right’s frustration. For some time the Republican Party has failed us, though it does now seem to be getting on track based upon my observations here in Washington, D.C. I know how frustrating it was to watch the unfair destruction of Sarah Palin. In that sense, dare I say, I feel your pain. And I share the desperation of wanting to find someone that the media allows to stand up, to not be maligned while honestly and fairly speaking to our issues and representing our various just causes such as they are. But I refuse to accept just anyone in that role because it’s too important to me.
And I especially refuse to accept someone so reckless, uninformed, unthinking, and possibly even unserious with a very real potential to do the right more harm than good in the end.






Oh, please. Not another mosquito attacking an elephant.
Glenn Beck is highly effective but? Is that all the Beck detractors can say? Are these the same people who condemn Ann Coulter for being highly effective “but too strident” — ? Are they the same people who condemn Michael Savage for being highly effective “but frequently offensive” — ? Are they the same people who haven’t changed anyone’s mind since before the Battle of Thermopylae?
Perhaps these detractors’ real beef with Beck, Coulter, et alii is the part that comes before the “but” — the quality the detractors cannot claim for themselves.
I have suspicions about Beck, too. He’s a bit too commercial for me. But you better understand that Beck isn’t creating the anger in this country, he’s merely tapping into it and giving it TV air.
And, you Mr. Riehl? Here’s your problem: “…based upon my observations here in Washington, D.C.”
Unlike your whining, hand-wringing worries of being painted by the left media as fanatic in the bubble you live, we in the midwest simply don’t give a damn what the media thinks. Anyone who is terrified of the main stream media is a RINO.
Sorry, no sale.
While I am not anything more than an occasional viewer of Beck, this author provides nothing
to concretely articulate just what “danger” Beck supposedly is and what “time bombs” he has supposedly set.
This article falls under the category of “fear ongering” to me.
We’ve got 3 years to 2012 and, IMHO, now is not the time to be executing those on the Right who are clearly helping (I’ll ignore here the author’s obsession with the phrase “to hurt Obama”).
It reminds me of an incident which occurred while I was waiting in line for my Town Hall meeting. I was talking it up with some wealthy and articulate conservative guy…who went simply bonkers when the topic of Sarah Palin came up. Out of the mouth of a guy who only minutes earlier had been spouting insightful facts and figures came a barrage of nonsense like “but she talks funny”, “…and those glasses!”
Not exactly persuasive.
Nor is Mr. Riehl’s article.
I don’t get this recent “urge” to “eat their own.”
All I can say is, we can use all the help we can, and that Beck seems to be helping.
What’s really “eating” Mr. Riehl?
(We can certainly discuss the “elitist” versus “populist” mantra…yet, no one has successfully demonstrated that either of the aforementioned are populist as PROPERLY defined…*popular*, certainly, but maybe that’s closer to the core of the problem…)
I think Glenn Beck is a genuine person that at times allows his emotion to get the better of him. Without Beck, the 9/12 rally DOES NOT HAPPEN.
I’m not sure where you get “co-opting” from, if indeed you’re not defending your admitted friend Mark Levin’s tremendous over-reaction to Beck’s 9/12 show. Mark is behaving like a toddler whose ball got taken away.
I listen to Mark MUCH more than I listen to or watch Beck, but have heard enough out of both men to decide for myself that Mark Levin is in fact the Constitutional wonk that thinks his parchment don’t stink, and is offended that a perhaps less knowledgable but far more accessible brand of discourse is winning the day in America today. Quite simply, he does an incredible job of explaining what the Left is doing to this country to the layman who’d rather not follow politics but get on with his or her daily occupation.
Once again, 9/12 does not happen on anywhere near the scale that it does without Glenn Beck. He also manages to reach a great number of folks whom neither Mark Levin nor I, a few very near and dear to me, could. And he needs to learn to coexist, as do you Mr. Riehl.
A “danger”? Really? It seems that only a select few seem genuinely threatened by Glenn Beck. And I’m most definitely not one of them.
TO: Dan Riehl
RE: Yeah….Right….
….and years ago some fools said the same about Ann Coultier.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. At least he hasn’t called for the murder of his competition, as O’Reilly did of Matt Drudge. And I find THAT much more reprehensible than anything Beck has done to date.
This article is the biggest pile of *blank* I have read this month.
The author has the poorest yet sinister language skills I have seen for a long time.
This is the modus operandum: He praises the subject on actual, real and important accomplishments. Then he follows up with a “however”, “none the less”, “but” or other words or phrases to annul the praise he has just given. After seeing this done 5 times, you start to get really, really annoyed.
He says Glen Beck is all about himself, yet the author is name dropping left and right to make himself important.
Dear misguided person writing this piece of drivel. Please crawl back into the hole you came up from.
Thank God for Glen Beck!!! Eilene Wetzel
“And I especially refuse to accept someone so reckless, uninformed, unthinking, and possibly even unserious with a very real potential to do the right more harm than good in the end.”
He should have put this last line up first and I could have saved the time wading through his nonsense. Reading this was kind of like listening to one of our anointed lecturing us on Global Warming: lots of rhetoric but little substance or logic.
The 9/12 Project didn’t take off? Are you kidding? The line where he says he is Levin’s friend says it all.
I am sorry that the talk show hosts are sometimes petty and jealous of each other. We could benefit from a united conservative front.
I want my five minutes back.
“the desperation of wanting to find someone the media allows to stand up, to not be maligned…”. Is that a joke? God himself could come down “speaking to our issues” and the old media would try to rip him up. Maybe it’s your delusional fantasy that is making you so distraught. And how big of you not to begrudge him what he has done, via Breitbart, to Acorn. Levin may be a scholar, but how dignified and responsible do you think he sounds during one his loud angry rants? Instead of trying to divide us, why don’t you focus on trying to really make the Republicans a big tent party. # 1 priority – change the primary nomination rules so someone like McCain can’t win so early in the process.
Ouch. That’s gonna leave a mark, huh Dan?
If by “the right” you mean Republican, and you mean your kind of conservative, (which many like me characterize as RINO gatekeepers), we may INTEND to hurt you. You people helped drive this bus to the Obama Street Follies.
The Republican party had better decide to matter and ACT, rather than quietly co-opt this latest overt assault on the Constitution and our very way of life. We know who the real subversives are, but you guys are getting painted as co-conspirators to a growing number of the thinking electorate.
Ask yourself where the Whig party is today. It was relegated to the fate that I see approaching for the Republican party; it was no longer relevant to the challenges of it’s times and America moved on, without the Whigs.
There may only be 2 parties, but one of them does not have to be the Republican Party. The other will be the Democrats; you can’t kill that sucker with anything short of declaring it to be a criminal enterprise. With or without Republicans, though, lovers of liberty and the US Constitution will maintain a presence until this nation crumbles to dust.
Beck is not a liability. You people are.
Beck is accomplishing what Reihl isn’t, which is bringing people into the conservative/libertarian camp, educating them about our founding principles and how we have deviated from them, and inspiring them to take a stand. Are his methods unconventional? Yes. But perhaps that’s what is needed. Republican communication and marketing has been absolutely pathetic since Reagan left us – the sole exception being the short lived 1994 ‘Contract with America’.
Seems like Reihl is only interested in his own little club. In this department he seems every bit as smug as a typical Washington or Manhattan liberal elitist. The bottom Line is that Beck is reaching the general public and most importantly, America’s youth. Reihl is not.
Unreal World View
Mr. Riehl
If you can pick up the ball Beck has been carrying and run a better game go ahead.
Mr.Beck needs help, you should run interference and help the country.
If you can see the big picture Beck seems to be the only person willing to
put up or shut up.
The 1800 word article makes you a petty selfish person.
Pure dribble. If you don’t like Beck…. change the channel.
Conservatives may respectfully disagree with Glenn Beck on a specific statement that one believes is wrong. I have when Beck said McCain would have been worse, which I think is as wrong as wrong can be. But conservatives should not be saying that Glenn Beck is hurting the Right. He’s not; he’s a big plus.
Glenn Beck has said he is not perfect. Beck and conservatism can easily deal with disagreement over a specific statement or issue. What is wholly unjustified is throwing Glenn Beck under the bus.
Reads like a fifth form whine about not being let into the new gang.
If your ‘right’ had done it’s core small government job over the last 25 years, Beck would not have happened.
Dan,
You must be a part of that “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy” that I’ve been hearing about.
“Glenn Beck deserves credit for what he is doing to hurt Obama” – WHAT??
Glenn Beck is not trying to “hurt” Obama. Glenn Beck is trying to save America.
Get a clue.
Even if you believe Glen Beck is hurting the right more than he helps, you have to ask is that a bad thing. The problems we are having now are not the exclusive property of the left.
Enough! Why is it pundits on the right have to be purer than driven snow?
Beck may not have done the original work on ACORN or Van Jones or other issues, BUT, he sure as hell got everyone’s attention! I like Mark Levin, too. But, his ranting style doesn’t go over well with a lot of people, no matter how smart he is and how well sourced his stuff is. His Liberty and Tyranny is pretty good, for a popularization, but let’s not mistake it for intellectual heavy lifting on the order of the Federalist, de Toqueville, Locke, Smith, or Mill.
I think Beck is borderline loopy on some issues, but so what? His stuff is generally well-sourced and well researched. Entertainingly presented and effective. Is he over the top? Probably. But, it’s not as if we’re looking at him as a potential candidate. He’s an entertainer whose instincts are generally right.
Populist, for sure. And, that makes elites uncomfortable. Has ever since the Federalist era, and, I suppose, since Rome first had to grant the plebs a Tribune with a veto.
Beck and Palin have touched something authentic: an anger at the elites of both parties who have abandoned their responsibilities. It’s been apparent in the Democrats since the 1960s and over the past decade, the Republicans haven’t often been much better.
I think you’ve fallen for the media’s hype of Glenn Beck (and, for that matter, Bill O’Reilly.) What you have been sucked into is the idea that Fox News IS the repository for all conservative thought. This is a view held by the Left, therefore, every “popular” (by cable news standards)host in primetime becomes the standard bearer of conservative political thought (in the minds of the Left.)
The “conservatism” of Fox News is an invention of the Left; it can be persuasively argued, then, that most of the hype surrounding the hosts is as much a product of the Left as anything else.
Beck has, what, 3,000,000 viewers nightly? And I bet a large percentage of that is liberals watching so that they can post scathing diatribes on their blogs the next day.
Glenn Beck only discredits conservatives in the eyes of people who already think conservatism is thoroughly discredited.
Who wrote this screed? I never heard of him/her, and I still do not care to know who it is.
Yawn.
In the late 1970s and in the 1980s, there was the 11th Commandment: One Republican should not speak ill of another Republican. I think that should be extended to most conservatives (with the exception of Pat Buchanan). If, I were you, and I thought Beck has said something that was incorrect, be it factually or politically, I would inform him personally and see the response I got before going public. And BTW – more than two or three examples would be needed to be convincing.
If there is a real question underlying this dispute, it’s the following: where is conservative thinking on foreign policy headed? What more traditional conservatives like Levin fear is that Beck is accessing a libertarian tradition of isolationism (presently represented by (Ron Paul) that will lead to the U.S. withdrawing from its role as police of the global market. As a neo-con and supporter of Bush’s democratization effort, who has nevertheless come to suspect that we simply no longer have the national will to sustain such efforts, I am genuinely ambivalent about this. I’ve come to believe that we have to settle things at home, with our own Left, first, before we can put forward any pretensions to global leadership. But I’d like to see conservative public figures have this debate.
For once I disagree with Dan. Beck is an asset. Forget the clown act. He is sincere and he is fearless. He may not originate stories but he gets them attention. And. like Dan, he gets Sarah Palin. I saw Newt trying to appropriate the Tea Party, putting his spin on them for his personal agenda. Glen admits he was against them at the start, he merely promotes them now. Forget what the Fringe Media (formerly the MSM) are trying to do with him. He has his own TV show and a growing audience. Go Beck.
Sorry Dan, but I’ve got to agree with Thomas…
“And, you Mr. Riehl? Here’s your problem: “…based upon my observations here in Washington, D.C.”
Unlike your whining, hand-wringing worries of being painted by the left media as fanatic in the bubble you live, we in the midwest simply don’t give a damn what the media thinks. Anyone who is terrified of the main stream media is a RINO”
I don’t listen to his radio show. I catch his program sometimes and sometimes I have to turn the channel. However, who besides Beck was talking about the czars, or ACORN and SEIU, or the Tides foundation and their connections?
This article could be written about Rush or Coulter or Hannity, etc. For some reason Beck is drawing the arrows.
Exit question. Why do we never read articles like “Is Olbermann harming the Progressive movement?”
You sound like a hater. You should spend your time writing about something that really matters.
Beck plays the role of court jester to those of us on the outside of government power. Yes,he is entertaining, but there is enough substance mixed in with the over the top silliness to be of great value to us. While he may not have been the source of the CZar expose or Acorn/Seiu expose, the ONLY reason this information has been effective against this media protected administration is Glenn Beck.
Reihls real problem is that people like Beck and Palin and the majority of conservatives embarrass him. His personal taste is for the more intellectual conservatives who can sit comfortably in their leather bound chair and take comfort in the fact that although the left has kicked their butt repeatedly in the past few years, they didn’t stoop to getting their hands dirty in coming to the aid of their country.
Don, you no more speak for me than Glenn Beck does.
I don’t need anyone to tell me that this administration has targeted tax paying, law abiding citizens as the enemy.
I don’t need anyone to tell me that the socialist direction our government is taking is running our economy right into the ditch.
I don’t need anyone to tell me that the MSM, who i now ignore, has vilified me, what I believe in and the very God who gives me freedom and liberty.
I don’t need anyone to tell me that the leftist elite has tried to steer our country into a socialist, godless state.
I don’t need anyone to tell me that I must judge a man by his actions, not his deeds to take his full measure.
Is Beck my hero? No sir.
My Mom and Dad are my heroes, children of the Depression, both raised without a Father, lost their second child at a young age, raised a large family, mostly college educated, all successful tax paying Americans.
Move on, sir, there is nothing for you by vilifying a Patriot who is doing his best. We don’t look for perfection, we look for PASSION.
We will never let the MSM tell us who we are or who we aren’t. We are Americans all doing our best to do what we know is right, just like the Minutemen before us!
“Glenn Beck, despite what he has accomplished, hurts the right more than he helps.”
Then I’m for him 100%!
It has been determined that the haters of America (Bin Laden, radical jihadists), have found a very cheap way to fight their detested archenemies. They rely on the constant guerrilla warfare by the likes of Glenn Beck, B O’Reilly, A Coulter, Fox News and dozens of conservatives. They are no different from the revolutionaries of the 60′s in Latin America, except that they take cover under the Bill of Rights.
Have you noticed that they rarely propose positive ideas? They distract and smear. They throw wrenches into the machinery of government. No wonder things can go slow. But fortunately, some gov’t officials ignore them and continue their work with excellent results (nuclear policies and disarmament).
In their desperation, these terrorists are getting more honest and start revealing their true objectives. O’Reilly has a name for them: pinheads.
The Islamic jihadists are smiling and enjoying the show.
i think this is a mean piece. I listen to Levin and he is nasty about Beck too, though he never says his name. But we know who he is talking about. You don’t understand that Beck doesn’t care what he does to the right because he dislikes the Republican Party too. Glenn has a huge audience and people like him. Sounds desperate that you had to make fun of his time slot. Many good and well-informed people like Glenn Beck. He is just being himself. You obviously have a problem with that because why. Is he not enough like you? The more you talk him down the more jealous you look. Just let him be and please understand it’s not about saving the right.
Beck is a thumb in the eye of the leftwing establishment and Obama cultists. He’s an entertainer who has used his TV soapbox to expose corruption in high places, and if he’s any sort of conservative leader, it’s only because we don’t have any real leaders at the moment. He’s fighting the good fight even if he isn’t always wise in choosing his battles. He’s taking it to the enemy while others stand on the sidelines and carp. His scattershots are all over the place but he does manage to hit some targets that way.
I don’t see that he’s hurting conservatism. The Left would try to destroy him even if he were a true rightwing saint. Beck voices his opinions but his “fans” think for themselves. They are not cultists.
Perhaps, Mr. Reihl, Obama’s racism is too sulbtle for you to see. But it’s at the root of his ideology–his bitterness (if not hatred) for Whitey, those white oppressors who have been responsibile for every slight, real or imagined, he and his dark-skinned brethren have ever experienced. The only difference between Obama and Rev Wright is that Obama is cloaks his racism in eloquence and political doublespeak.
If you could bury Beck then you would be the one hurting the conservative movement. But of course, you can’t bury him. The only one who can do that is Beck himself. In the meantime his readers and viewers will cut him all the slack he needs to get the job done. And right now, he’s one of the few doing the job.
Bury Beck? You going to need a bigger shovel. And an act of God.
Dan Riehl
you are wrong.
you are also an elitist (but I am confident that you think otherwise).
YOU ARE DOING HARM to the conservative cause.
Glenn Beck is NOT on an anti-obama crusade as you imple though-out your piece.
You are an apologist for the liberals, you are as conservative as Arlen Sphecter.
Beck is speaking to all americans …he is not seeking to be the leader of the republicans or other conservative group. he is speaking for conservatives.
If as you imply/state Beck is a clown …how do you describe Nancy Pelosi, Harry Ried or b. obama ??? WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWER DAN !!!!!
The PJM site is increasingly becoming the go-to source for all things squishy RINO.
Who are you and why does your opinion warrant the light of day? What are you doing to expose corruption in the government? No offense sir but in the grand scheme of things you are nothing.
This is what we can expect when the Marxists start getting scared, and the writer of this tripe is Riehlly scared. It is a normal maneuver of the Marxists to belittle anyone that scares them, and the statists are scared of anyone who stands up for the freedom of the individual. They consider it a nuisance, a bothersome encumbrance on the road to their new world order of elitists and slaves. They are afraid of dissent, just like, you know, the 7-11 in the Latte House in DC who flaps his door 24/7 to ring his own bell. and send those fuzzy wuzzy warm feelings down the legs of the ignorant useful idiots. As the Marxists push for state control through health care, car and tax, voiding 2nd amendments rights, controlling the Internet, Beck is just the tip of the iceberg. Rieh;’s tactic is to try and get the right to tone down, when the necessity is for the right to get as loud as it takes to overwhelm the LSM and people like Riehl before we lose all our real rights and our freedom. You have not merely awakened a sleeping tiger, rather the entire jungle. While freedom loving Americans were going about their business making America a great and highly prosperous country, we were also too busy to pay attention to the deterioration and decay in the work ethic, in moral values, and advancement by merit that set in led by the likes of Riehl. No more!
Dan,
You and Levin need to fire your shots at the bad guys: Obama, Pelosi, Reid, ACORN, SEIU.
Imagine putting this much effort against the REAL enemy.
Beck fights.
Keep it up and you’ll get a call from David Frum.
6. Chuck Pelto:
“….and years ago some fools said the same about Ann Coultier.”
And years ago the Republicans held the presidency and both houses of Congress. Wha happan? Beck is being used by the MSM to paint conservatives as lunatics. Time Magazine? Hello? Wingnuts’ obedience to Commandant Beck and his final solution plays right into the hands of liberal manipulators. Anytime you can get the opposition leader to say the president “has a deep-seated hatred of white people” you’ve won. We’ll continue to use Beck as long as he’s useful, then we’ll toss him aside like we have Coulter. Until then, just keep pledging your undying devotion to the ever-growing ranks of Republican junkies cum visionairies.
It’s very disappointing to see Dan Riehl channeling Rick Moran. Beck is an alcoholic who sometimes lets his emotions get the best of him but he does a great job of exposing the radicalism and cluelessness of Obama. The suggestion that he’s doing more harm than good because he called Obama a racist is ridiculous.
Is it really beyond the pale to suggest Obama may be a racist given that his chosen mentor is a racist; given that he sat in that pew for 20 years listening to his mentor’s racist rants; given that he reflexively blamed the white cop rather than the black professor and given that he famously claimed a white man’s greed runs a world in need .
And it’s hilarious to hold up Mark Levin as a right wing standard bearer. Despite his admitted brilliance Levin routinely shouts down and cuts off anyone who disagrees with them. His rudeness is a complete turn off. Levin’s an intellectual who won’t engage his adversaries in civilized argument.
Who does Mark Levin convince when he yells at his callers to scram, get out of here .
His self indulgence is very nonconservative. And unlikely to convert anyone to his cause.
Mr. Riehl,
The hand wringing begins the moment anyone on the right starts to acheive goals or accomplish things, like forcing Van Jones out of office and making Congress defund ACORN. Why the weeping and gnashing of teeth? Because the Washington DC insiders don’t like Beck and the way he does things? Bah. The fact that the elitist don’t like Beck is his greatest asset.
Your argument basically breaks down to, the leftest don’t like Beck; he is too loud, too pushy, too honest and the only good conservatives are the ones the left can bully into silence.
We need more people like Glen Beck than less. We need people who will point out the problems the left and right creates with big government. We certainly can’s wait for the old media to do its’ job. Why must anyone with a conservative voice be considered as the next leader of the conservative movement? The next leader will be evident when and if they appear.
Beck’s over-the-top showmanship, (crying, hysterical persona, etc.) opens Beck and conservatives up to ridicule, and to a degree undercuts his own arguments by appearing semi-crazy half the time.
On the other hand, though Beck may not have done the “heavy lifting” research as Reihl calls it, he has effectively exposed the outrageous Obama appointments, radical relationships, and ACORN scandals in a way that no one else could. BRAVO!
These stories would never have had legs without Beck’s persistent attacks and the FOX News TV platform. The Formerly MSM had completely ignored these outrages. Republican leaders seem unable to sustain their attention long enough to go after anything. Limbaugh, Levin, Beck, Breitbart, et. al. fill the void.
My main criticism of Beck is that in an effort to feign non-partisanship, he seems to encourage a third party movement. This would be DEATH to conservatives ever being elected. The Dems will always stick together and if a third party, made up mostly from the Republican ranks develops, it will be Ross Perot all over again. For those with a short memory, Perot took about 16% of the vote, mostly from Bush I, and Clinton was elected.
As more astute political analysts like Limbaugh suggest, conservatives need to take back control of the Republican Party, not start a third party.
Without folks like Beck nothing negative about the Left would ever get repeated. Any bets on how many news organizations and/or blogs carry and discuss this article? If one removes Beck then all you have is a blurb by McCain praising Obama.
Let’s see, two articles on Beck the same day . . . must mean something bad about Beck is about to be revealed. Laying down markers is the conservative way. Like the curious timing of the irrelevant post “Did Obama write his memoir?” Nothing to it, beyond trying to create cover for “Going Rogue” because there will surely be many who point out the obvious, that Palin didn’t write a word of her book. And so you crank up the obfuscation machine.
Good luck. We’ll keep looking through you.
“…based upon my observations here in Washington, D.C.”
Try a broader perspective.
Dan,
I’ve read you for a long time on RiehlWorldView and admired your writing. However, this is the worst piece of nonsense you’ve written. I remember when you wrote insightful commentary that I paid attention to. This piece was the sort of 1,800 word, content-free piece of drivel I would expect from Rick Moran. I suspect that you, David Frum, Peter Wehner, and even AllahPundit and UncleJimbo write these anti Glenn Beck pieces simply to ramp-up web hits. I have not yet read a serious examination of Beck with substantive evidence to back up your claims.
You write “he has the potential to do tremendous damage to the right” and “He’s a genuine danger to us” yet you offer no proof to back up these claims. Your assertion of “And that’s a fact” does not make it a fact. Your description of “that silly 9/12 Project” is inaccurate at best. The idea of a “tea party” was first articulated on 2/12/09 by Rick Santelli of CNBC. Beck first proposed the 9.12 project on 3/13/09. “All Beck did was come up with a scheme to weave into it, trying to make it his, and it failed.” This is utter nonsense on your part. Perhaps you may wish to visit the many 9.12 social networking sites to gain some insight to their impact on the march on DC. And just because you write “I know because I was there” does not make it true. A hell of a lot of other people were there also and a lot of them have a different viewpoint than you.
Your only factual evidence you present about Beck is that “He’s called Barack Obama a racist”. While many don’t agree with Beck’s statement, I have not seen one piece written by you, Frum, Wehner, etc. that contradict his statement based on facts of why Obama is not a racist. Your “internment camps” story is a total mis-characterization. Beck reported immediately is was false; it did not take him a month “while stirring up his would-be masses”.
Dan, I’m highly disappointed with your writing here. While I watch Glenn Beck, I’m not a “Beck-head” and have yet to read an informative, critical piece on Beck that is something other than the author’s opinion. Your assertions are devoid of those stubborn things called facts. And don’t worry, I won’t “come crying” to you or Frum or Wehner. In case you haven’t noticed, we were “denounced en masse as a bunch of wild-eyed conspiracy freaks and racists” before Glenn Beck and we will be after Glenn Beck.
The earnest, polite, reflective, thoughtful, and highly intelligent conservative commentators of yester year created nothing more than vibrant group therapy sessions for those out of power for and clueless how to regain it while virulent leftists brought virtually every institution in America under their control. I can understand Mr. Riehl’s nostalgia, it was so much easier back then when furrowed brows, erudition and “deep” reflection substituted for action and results.
The US electorate chose Regan because he wasn’t Carter. They reelected Regan because his solutions worked.
Now I am witnessing something fascinating – independents and moderate Dems seeking out Rush, Hannity, O’reilly, Beck and other conservative voices. Often tuning-in out of morbid curiosity and these folks accidentally learn something about conservatism. This is unprecedented. A largely ignorant electorate is seeking entertainment, ends up receiving a remedial conservative education – and keeps coming back for more.
In mho, Beck is bombastic, a bit overdone and overly dramatic. I take him with a grain of salt but appreciate his perspective never-the-less. Unlike the eclectic stew pot that is liberalism, conservatism is a blade that allows the proponent to cut-away the ideology that is counterfeit.
Beck isn’t my cup of tea and I don’t watch much televison anyway, but Riehly you’ve got to be kidding. Or jealous.
People are fed up with this government and the go along to get along crowd inside the Beltway. Beck is a voice for those who have none, namely those who want the government to stick to its business, and only its business and otherwise stay out of our lives.
Beck speaks to ALL people not just to the professionals who Mark Levin directs his talk to . Beck has some good material and the ability to mobilize the masses peacefully. I like Beck, he is very well versed on the subject matter he presents . At least I know he will not steer me wrong and he is not afraid to speak the truth .
Obama’s cult-of-personality will be the ultimate undoing of the progressive movement he’s trying to orchestrate; it’s beginning to implode already.
It is important that the Right not fall into the same trap, and try to battle one cult of personality with another.
The Becks and the Limbaughs and the Levins help by providing a place where the stuff omitted from the MSM can be heard, and then checked into on an individual basis…but it’s never about them. It is (and should remain, if we know what’s good for us) about our founding principles and values.
So far, that’s holding, but I can see the danger of anyone (including Reagan, great thinker that he was) who tries to either claim, or accepts when given, the title of Pope of the Right (granted, Reagan can’t “accept” anything, but many people look up to him that way, and even he wasn’t perfect).
I’m not saying that is or is not what Beck has been doing, just that we should be aware of its tendency to happen, especially when the opposition is built on a messianic, charismatic cult of personality.
None of these people are saints, and as the Left has found out (not only with Obama), if you begin to lean too heavily on them they will disappoint you every time.
Making the perfect the enemy of the good is how conservatism got where it is. Making the good the enemy of the perfect is how Leftism got where it is. Either way, seeking human perfection IS the enemy of the good. Beck is humanity’s ally. So, from a slightly misguided angle, is Mr. Diehl. The Left IS a very serious and deadly enemy. I will give Mr. Diehl my homespun advice that I give to my friends who can’t see the forest for the trees:
“Honey, I’ll paint the living room. Just as soon as I get the rattlesnake off of the sofa!”
Is there a single thing in this piece that isn’t wrong-headed? As Obama would say, Let’s be clear. The reason the left hates Beck and vilifies him is exactly the same reason why they vilify Sarah Palin: they are afraid of him and know how effective he is. If you know anything about tv audience data, then you will understand how improbable his audience of over three million is: he’s on at 5PM in the East and 2PM on the West Coast. Trust me, this is an audience tsunami, everyone at NBC knows this, and that’s why they hate Beck.
And his audience won’t be voting for Mitt Romney, which is why this fellow is embarrassed for us. Such bumpkins we are.
The more I think about it, the more it seems that the figurative grave that Mr. Reihl is digging may well be his own. The world is so much bigger than his blogging audience.
I listen to the Conservative Talk Show Host that comes through with the best reception in the particular area I am driving. Consequently, I survey all the Conservative Hosts and a few of the Liberals by default; it is no wonder the Liberals have such an insignificant market share, listening to them is an exercise in intense boredom.
Beck is a second choice host, but usually worth the effort and time to listen. He has had some luck recently with Van Jones and Acorn and has accumulated a significant share of the TV market with a Conservative TV News Show. Good enough that I fire up my seldom watched TV at night to watch his show. He has definitely made a contribution to the Conservative movement and helps to neutralize Obama’s Socialism.
Of course, among RINOs this is seen as un-sportsman like behavior that is beneath the aristocratic traditions of Blue Blooded Conservatives.
Fortunately, Conservatives are aroused or incensed and will no longer follow the dictates of of the overly dignified, pompous, Country Club Elites of the Republican Party of the past. This new movement is from the base, the base that was supposed to be quiet and let the Elites dictate our philosophies and our subdued political voice.
Those days are over, if the Old Guard doesn’t like the awakening of the base, that’s too damn bad! They can move over or be deserted in a shell of the old Republican Party. The Conservative Base is mad at seeing our country led down the Marxist Garden Path while Republican Leaders worry about their Stimulus slush fund rather than our country, our Freedoms, our Troops, our borders, our culture, and our security.
The old game of “Let’s get along to get along” is not going to cut the mustard with the Conservative base, our Republican Leaders allowed the party to be directed by the media and by RINOs and they are facing a revolution within the party. There is far more patriotism, activism, and loyalty at the base than has been exhibited by the leadership in 20 years.
Beck is partially responsible for igniting that intense patriotism, along with several other Hosts who may be out of favor with our Blue Blooded Leadership, thus hurting the Image our Leadership has of itself. I find that laughable, the leadership has been inconsequential in the rising of the Conservative base, are we to worry over someones preconceived perceptions of how we should rise up to save our country.
These Conservative Patriots have the spirit that the American Patriots used at Breeds Hill and Bunker Hill to stand up to the most powerful army in the world with 5 to 15 rounds a piece and no artillery. They fired until they had no more bullets and then used nails and pieces of scrap metal in their muskets, and when those were exhausted they threw rocks at the advancing British Army. This spirit is alive today and not likely to be intimidated by nay sayers running around asking for us to play by a rule book that doesn’t exist. We are fighting for our country, our freedoms and our very lives against a Marxist Front that has no rules of engagement and laughs at us worrying about pretense and appearances.
We are mad and we want our country back. You can coexist with this Marxian philosophy, but we want to sweep it away for ever.
Mr. Riehl, oh, wise one (to borrow a citation from Barbara Curtis in the companion article here):
“God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise…” [1 Corinthians 1:27].
Who is the fool?
Glenn Beck is an American patriot.
No. Wrong. You’re promoting the Leftist narrative. In fact, I’d go so far as to say you’re a victim of it yourself. Come up for air.
In the 60s, when Kennedy was elected, most of the Americans who voted him in–liberals, I believe they’re called–were what would now be called ‘Tea-Party-ers’, or ‘Right-Wing Extremists’. It is a testament to the degree to which the Marxists have been able to shape the narrative in the media that most citizens who voted liberal 50 years ago would now be considered ‘right-wing radicals’. We are very, very far to the Left right now. We have become what we were fighting against in WWII. Beck is actually closer to the center than you are.
Since when is telling the truth a danger? EEWWWW ….danger in the truth!!!
We faithfully watch Beck’s show. He has our attention and does not talk “down” to us. Like kerry saying the public would not understand the language of the healthcare plan.
GET A REAL LIFE DAN!!!
We like Beck.
So, we are to believe a president that demands his Secret Service detail be primarily blacks; that fills his senior and subordinate administration positions with radical, left black incompetents; a president who worked for and supports ACORN; who won’t criticize or take to task corrupt black politicians; and so on, is not a racist?
Personally, I don’t think Beck’s statement is all that outrageous when examining the actual actions of Obama. Plus, one could probably add that he is a definite anti-Semite.
For millions of viewers who are sick & tired of being called racist because they disagree with Obama’s healthcare or ‘cap & trade’ policies, finally having a major media personality throw that taunt right back at their leader is refreshing. It pushes the left back on their heels, big time.
Beck is enthusing people and getting them involved, which is what the right needs. He is effective at this time and place but it will likely be short-lived as with almost every popular entertainer. So Dan, you and Mark need to unwind your panties for the time being, and focus your efforts on the real racists and corrupt left/liberals, instead of individuals who don’t toe your specific right-ideology.
“Getting so much resistance, from behind; people stop listen, whats that sound?
everybody look whats going down…”
Wow, you really do not get it. Beck never sought to take credit for the 9/12 march and always pointed out that it was the American people who were responsible. He did this over and over again. Did you ever listen to his radio show? Yes, he covered the event but that was because he knew no one else would.
And whether Obama is a racist? Well, he called an avowed racist his mentor and part of his family. He was a member of a racist church for over twenty years. He called his grandmother a “typical white person”. He harangued rural whites by claiming they “cling to their guns and religion”. He seeks reparations through “redistribution”. He contiinuously apologizes for this country, but he never personally apologizes. He has openly insulted our longest and staunchest allies, Britain, while sucking up to numerous “dictators of color”. Just because Bill Ayers is white does not mean Obama does not find him useful (besides, Obama said he barely knows the guy). If a white man acted in such a way, I am sure you would have no problem thinking he may be a racist.
Let’s take a look at Mr. Beck, He is an admittedly flawed individual who is right now at the tip of the rhetorical spear aimed at the Obama administration. Just like Rush, Sean Hannity, and the other conservative / liberatarian commentators he sparks controversy and is willing to take on the liberal statist establishment. While I find Beck’s shtick annoying at times, overall he has become a great vehicle for the debate we are involved in against the radical left. As conservatives where we disagree with his liberatarian philosophy we can have an honest debate, something proggresives will never engage in.
All talk radio personalities springboard off the work of others, such as the websites, authors, investigaters, whistle blowers, and think tanks, and some are lax in attribution, but to charge that they must not only communicate but also produce the storys that they present is a sophomoric criticism, as much of the rest of the content in this article.
Now lets look at Mr. Riehl, whose bio was rather difficult to find, not being included on his site, has no wikipedia page, and runs a blog, that I am not giving a link for as it is chock full of mediocrity and innuendo. While Mr. Riehl can write a diatribe about the scary liberatarian Beck, from his blog he seems more interested in undercutting conservatives and independents.
When this “critic” can show some a fraction of the results for the cause for freedom as Glenn Beck has I will take notice. Until then I will watch Glenn Beck, warts and all, and use the content of his show to support the causes and arguements That Americans need to win.
I used to read “Riehl World” and I noticed that it began to slide into the abyss of David Frumm. Anything that helped the right had to pass through a perfection filter or it was harmful to the Repubs. Sarah Palin was such a person/movement as is Beck. These Mensa’s could not see the REAL people and ideas coming from such folksy people. That they are not like Romney or Obama means that they are uneducated and are not capable of serious thought means that we would be better off without them. Beck may not hit on every cylinder all of the time but he puts out more horsepower than Levin and Riehl at any given moment. Dan you are rapidly joining a growing group of RINOs who will be on the side lines in the next battle for America.
Glen is real
Glen bring to light…. the Truth
Glen is not perfect but … he is passionate and true
We need more Glen’s in the USA not less….
HE LOVES THE TRUTH and for that I LOVE HIM and all he does to bring truth to LIGHT
Thank YOU GLEN BECK… You have make the USA and World a better PLACE….
One great thing about Glen Beck is that Vivo, MOHO (The SELF confessed ARAB Mohammedan JEW HATER) and all the other ‘libtard’ Trolls on here HATE like him so he MUST be good. Who is Dan Riehl BTW he reminds me of a ‘libtard’ moonbat stalker with his ridiculous unsubstantiated accusations against Beck.
Beck is emotional, crazy, loony and passionate…
So what is wrong with that? Though I do not agree with him, the right should have some that in their cake.
Good Luck to him.
I would recommend that Mr. Riehl does some more research. He’s caught in the trap of believing that personal actions must always be at one extreme or the other. Either a person must accept all people at face value, or they must be raving segregationists.
I highly recommend reading Where History Gets Weird by Mark Butterworth.
Glenn Beck, like Rush Limbaugh, is primarily a showman and entertainer, not a “just the facts ma’am” journalist. However he backs all of his statements up with research and facts (I’ve got to get a copy of his new book Arguing with Idiots: How to Stop Small Minds and Big Government, which is nothing but facts and research. The material that you hear on his program is not often brought up elsewhere and he provides a valuable service.
BTW, re ACORN: I never heard him claim that he was the only or even the first person to discover this; indeed Hannity interviewed James O’Keefe at about the same time.
This is good advice, but it will fall mostly on deaf ears at PJM. The right is so devoid of real leadership, it is simply too easy for a shill like Beck to take the reigns. His racist and nonsense-filled rants sound quite reasonable to many of the GOP faithful, and they will gladly follow him over the cliff.
I was amused at the mention of Palin. The claim that she was treated unfairly always makes me laugh out loud. She is not far from Beck in her potential to negatively impact the GOP. Although not as outrageous as Glenn, Sarah is certainly on the fringe, and the longer she remains in the media spotlight, the better off the Democrats will be.
Of course, I don’t expect the denizens of PJM to agree with me – most will froth with incredulity at the idea that their heroes could be so hollow. But then again, this is the fringe of the fringe here.
Peace.
DS
Mr. Riehl,
I strongly disagree with your analysis. What does Glenn Beck advocate that is contrary to our principles? A: He does some dumb stuff attacking evolution AND THAT’S ABOUT IT.
The Right is not monolithic. It can’t be. We value individual liberties, responsibilities and thought. The libertarian, constitutional and conservative parties have very similar values and goals but they’re not identical; and they’re not working against each other.
That iconic conservative leader you’re looking for only exists when we have a candidate that is honest and reasonable enough that you can look over your smaller policy differences. I doubt you’d even agree with 100% of your own policies should you hold public office.
The ideas of liberty and freedom require us to put our utmost trust in the common man,
~e
Mr. Riehl:
“I know how frustrating it was to watch the unfair destruction of Sarah Palin. In that sense, dare I say, I feel your pain. And I share the desperation of wanting to find someone that the media allows to stand up, to not be maligned while honestly and fairly speaking to our issues and representing our various just causes such as they are. But I refuse to accept just anyone in that role because it’s too important to me.”
And on what planet do you think that Conservatives will find the magic candidate that a Leftwards-biased MSM allows a fair shake to, hmmm?
Oh…we already had that with John McCain…the Left’s favorite Rethuglikkkan.
See how that worked out?
Transformational politics seems to be the vogue today, and not just for the Leftards, but also for the Right.
“And I especially refuse to accept someone so reckless, uninformed, unthinking, and possibly even unserious with a very real potential to do the right more harm than good in the end.”
Ah, well then, you keep on refusin’ and watch what happens to your comfortable old forms of Conservatism.
Cloward-Piven is a strategy that can be used by anybody, and for any goal, donchaknow?
Beck is one of the voices that is bypassing the MSM.
Whether YOU accept it or not, this is a Good Thing.
We should no longer allow our enemies to define what we are through their monopolistic control of public opinion.
And btw, I note that the “Republicans should move Leftwards towards the Center”,(and thereby abandon Conservatives, which is left unsaid), meme has apparently plumb run out of gas in these parts.
It is thanks to folks like Beck that that well has run dry, since the tactic of moving to the,(Left),Center is predicated upon again playing on the MSM’s court.
This is nothing more than the sucker’s seat at a table with a marked deck and a double-dealer, and folks rightly realize it.
You go on ahead and play at that table and keep losing your antes, while everyone else moves to a table with more favorable odds.
See you in the funny papers, Mr. Riehl.
OK OK. No one here has said Beck was right to call Obama a racist. Only one person has said that Beck really was the moving force for 9/12. You are all for giving Beck creds for his work, me too.
But Dan Riehl has been soldiering on in the trenches for a long time now working for the causes of better and smaller government and the rule of law. So has Mark Levin. Disagree with Dan on this piece? Fine, go ahead. But Dan is NOT THE ENEMY. Dan is on our side. The enemies are in the White House http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjJmNjY4MjA2ZmNkZWNmZDU2ZmY1NTUwZmMzNmIxMjE=&w=MQ== , in the majority in Congress, and in the government-controlled media.
Don’t you get it? The biased media and left will do it to us ANYWAY!
Sorry, I don’t see the Republicans anywhere; at least Glenn is a visible voice and he’s making some progress.
Shouldn’t we stick together and quit the in-fighting?
“I especially refuse to accept someone so reckless, uninformed, unthinking, and possibly even unserious”
It’s interesting that your article ends using the personal pronoun, “I”.
Who do we know (on the left) that uses the word “I” to excess, in His every nationally televised speech?
Why did you name-drop your ‘friend’ Mark Levin?
What are you thinking to disparage Glenn Beck, who is doing nothing more than getting America to ask questions?
When will you appear on the Fox Network, to defend your attack on Mr. Beck?
All this back and forth about Beck reminds me of Lincoln’s famous reply when confronted with criticism of General Grant. Lincoln replied, “I can’t spare this man. He fights”
Glenn Beck isn’t U. That’s his big crime.
Glenn Beck isn’t U. He isn’t establishment slick. That’s his big crime.
Beck may be bad for the right or not, I really don’t think the right is sober enough to drive right now. The right is bad for the right. The new right, the old right…whatever. As in institution the house of the right is divided against itself and is starting to shift and crumble like the House of Usher.
The right sure didn’t make the Tea Parties happen. Trying to coopt them as part of a conservative or Republican plan is silly, futile, delusional, and naive. The Right is doomed to be reactive for a while. They aren’t currently of the stature to be offering much in the way of useful advice. That is why they nitpick and worry about associations more than strategy. They are reduced to playing fantasy football.
It’s sad to watch.
The Right needs really someone like Beck to advance their criticisms of Obama’s policies to the American public FAR more than he needs them to unilaterally demarcate boundaries for him or judge his worthiness.
Is he unseemly, kooky, and unstable? Sure. But is the right MORE credible or even AS credible right now? Not really. It spent far too much of its goodwill and political capital modifying itself to be “New Bush/Center Compatible”. Beck is entitled to his hystrionic outrage with big government more than the right is entitled to be snobbish about all the ripples he is causing.
Right now, Beck’s frenetic displays of frustration resonate strongly with the cheated independents who honestly thought they’d finally found a reasonable centrist “Reaganesque” democrat, the excitable so-called “historical voters”, the resentful Hillary avoiders, the hypnotized libertarians who sought to punish Republicans, and the wide eyed, Shellshocked, recently overthrown republican voter.
Beck feels more appropriate to the times than David Frum’s new Majority twaddle. He is upset when there is much to be upset about. He is aggressive where prominant republicans are evasively bitchy. Beck gave us a Van Jones resignation, the 9/12 tea party, and the Breitbart sally against Acorn. So far the Republican intelligentsia told us to stop yelling at Tea Parties, nitpicked Rush Limbaugh for being honest, Palin for being alive, and perhaps worst of all gave us a choice between Romney, Mccain, Thompson, and Huckabee in the primaries. Great.
Getting the vapors and dreaming of an inevitable mainstream/right reconciliation someday that we should save all our powder for won’t help push back against the new left-topia being opportunistically spitballed together by increasingly bold, pragmatic, and desperate would be societal architects. They never seem to tire of finding exciting new ways to try the same old things again.
Meanwhile Republicans do seem tired. The seem eager to blame all their troubles on the supposed rhetorical excesses of Coulters and Malkins.
Meanwhile, Beck is one of the few sources of energy, passion, and enthusiasm that people who oppose massive uber bailouts and unlimited expansion of intrusive, federal government, regulatory influence have regular access to right now.
IT’S A BIG TENT…..and in a large family, the odd Uncles and Auntie Mames are accepted for what they are. They add color. Carping at them for being what they are DOES NOTHING for the cohesion of the family. It creates conflict within.
THE Libs, who are rushing to the defense of Polansky, see no problem with Rev Wright, or Van Jones or Daily Kos bloggers…go ahead…you-name-’em….at they least have demonstrated strength in circling the wagons. Those off-beats are NOT their enemies.
GIVE US RUBES OUT HERE A BREAK! We know who and what Glenn Beck is, “riddled with ADD–in his own words”..but, frantic as he is, attention hog he may be…at least he isn’t afraid to call a spade a spade, or remark on the fact that The Emperor does not have any clothes on…. In this current climate AND WE NEED THAT.
Beck may be a manic neo-libertarian clown but he
has obviously struck a nerve with a sizeable
segment of the American public (trust me…there were more than 76,000 protesting in D.C. on 9/12…at least 200,000 more). If his rantings damage ‘big-government’ Republicans like McCain and ‘center-right’ pundits like this author, all the better for the conservative movement in this country. It’s time to clean out the cat box.
Daniel,
I’m not a constant Beck viewer, and I had to wade through fields of apologies and qualifications before I got to something of substance about Beck (in an article that complained long about how Beck has no substance). I finally found out that he called Barack Obama a racist, but there is no direct quote or date or occasion of this offense. Then there is something about “internment camps.” Again, not a fact or even a clue as to what Beck actually said, when he said it, and what he was referring to.
Interesting to see all of these propaganda Techniques in one article … Assertion, Bandwagon, Card stacking, Glittering Generalities, Lesser of Two Evils, Name Calling, Pinpointing the Enemy, Plain Folks, Simplification/Stereotyping, and a nice dose of Transfer.
That might help explain the 1800 word length of this screed. Dan has the propaganda points covered for the Left and for the RINO Statist contingent as well. (though I do wonder what Dan’s game here actually is, maybe he’s doing an LGF?)
It says a lot when the only comments that agree with the article are those from the “Known Troll” squad.
As for Dan “not being the enemy,” I agree, but for that matter neither is Beck “the enemy.”
Minus one credibility point to Dan Riehl on my political points scorecard. What a shame.
@74 Fred,
But Dan Riehl has been soldiering on in the trenches for a long time now working for the causes of better and smaller government and the rule of law.
You are right, but that’s what makes this piece so aggravating. Conservatives love to eat their own. For liberals, the only thing that matters is whether you are a liberal. This is why they are in power and conservatives are on the outside looking in. Yesterday a commenter on this site who claimed to be a conservative said he will sit out the next election if Romney is the GOP candidate. This is the kind of idiocy that has put Barack Obama in power.
I have no patience with conservatives who would prefer to to attack other conservatives instead of focusing on the daily outrages of Obama and the Democrats.
As long as the Right permits the Left to set the terms of battle, the Right is doomed to lose the war of ideas, A splendid example of this phenomenon is Mr. Riehl’s insane fear of the Left’s most magical word “racist!”. Earth to Dan Riehl: your Leftist enemies will call you a “racist” no matter what you say or do, so get a clue! When the serially abusive Left sees the panty-wetting fear their most magical term induces in persons like Mr. Riehl, they are only encouraged.
In print, I suggest placing the magical quotation marks (aka sneer quotes) around the sacred incantation to neutralize the juju. This is powerful magic – and I learned it from the enemy, too! I noticed in the NYT and all other propaganda organs of the enemy, that whenever a Protected Person (think all ethnic minorities excluding Asians, powerful Leftist celebrities and politicians, gays, and most hyphenated persons) or a Special Victims Class Person (think all non-whites (except Asians!), most terrorists, poor ethnic hoodlums, etc.) is accused or suspected of a crime, any potentially negative or stigmatizing descriptors are neutralized in powerful sneer quote magic. Try it Mr. Dan Riehl the next time you’re smeared by enemy scum. Maybe, just maybe, you’ll stop being so paralyzed with fear of their sinister magic, and learn in the process that YOUR FEAR is helping the Left to win the war…
Whatever negatives Glen “might” be bringing to the table are vastly offset by the good. Glen has brought a spotlight to shine on so many issues that need exposure, that of course the former MSM will not do, that he is a voice that is needed. And Dan you may be a positive addition for conservatives but just because you do not approve of Glenn’s methods does not mean he is not needed.
The GOP establishment had better remove their heads from their anal orifice and do so very soon if they want to survive the current dilemma.
Refusing to acknowledge or accept the likes of people like Beck and Palin will force many conservatives towards a 3rd party and we all know what that means. (4 more years…)
The good ol boys of the GOP need to move on and out, their game is over, they F’ed up and they need to admit they did and let a younger generation of conservatives take the lead.
The Tea Parties are a show of dissatisfaction with ALL of the ruling class right and left, If the GOP thinks that all TP goers are in their corner they are mistaken. It is the pathetic job the Right side of the aisle did over the past 8 years that got us in this mess. I have no qualms with the job GB did protecting Americans after 9/11 but that is but a piece of the whole puzzle. Had the Republican members of congress worked to bring real conservative values (ala Ronald Reagan) they would not have been trounced from office in 2008.
That was their own doing and they deserve no slack for their poor decisions.
So what do we get now? They get in front of the camera and tell us how conservative they will be now… I call Bull Sh*t..
You had your shot, screw you, get your a** out of the way…
I am so f’ing sick & tired of these 30 + year politicians telling me they know what is best. These morons have lived in their fairy tale world so long they actually believe themselves…
Kick them Out! Term Limits!
Mark Steyn is right – the left demonizes Beck because he is hitting them where they live. Beck and Rush and Sarah Palin deserve our support because they have made the RIGHT ENEMIES. Too bad Mr. Riehl misses this obvious insight.
@74 Fred,
But Dan Riehl has been soldiering on in the trenches for a long time now working for the causes of better and smaller government and the rule of law.
You are right, but that’s what makes this piece so aggravating. Conservatives love to eat their own. For liberals, the only thing that matters is whether you are a liberal. This is why they are in power and conservatives are on the outside looking in. Yesterday a commenter on this site, who claimed to be a conservative, said he will sit out the next election if Romney is the GOP candidate. This is the kind of idiocy that has put Barack Obama in power.
I have no patience with conservatives who attack other conservatives instead of focusing on the daily outrages of Obama and the Democrats.
Vivo…here’s an idea for you…instead of proposing massive spending bills, let’s solve one problem at a time…the ones we all agree on.
It would make the issues in the healthcare debate go away. But democrats won’t do that. It’s not part of their agenda. The anti democrats just want to stop them, since for the most part, they (Demos)are blinded by their own (alleged) wisdom.
This article was a pure display of envy while trying to be PC to the right (whatever that is).
A joke?? Glenn Beck has been so far ahead of the “established right” on innumerable issues.
The joke is on you Dan and it is really a shame you spent so much time attacking an effective defender of Liberty. You can join the ranks of Frum, Levin and Savage by sounding petty and jealous, what an embarrassment.
I guess you are trying to be another LGF !
I say let the GOP continue to embrace all the crazy folk they like. The Dems have done it for years, we might as well throw in the towel and put idiots in positions of power, respect and honor. Why not? Why worry about the real America, when we can fight the evil Conservatives or the evil Socialists or the evil Abortionists or the evil Christians or the evil….
Farce has surpassed reality. The Gipper would shake his head in disgust and leave the country for a permanent vacation with FDR. Neither of them would want anything to do with either party, or the people of this once great country.
But, by God we can rant and scream and cry and make inane accusations all day long. If we’re too dumb for politics as a nation, that will make an adequate substitute.
#89 Booker T. ….After four years of Obama a moderate will appear to be an ultra conservative.
Glen Beck is not a libertarian and he seems to hang out with some dubious conspirazoid types.
Beck seems to enjoy being the head of cult of personality and some of his followers come across just like Obama drones. He deliberately set out to hijack the tea movement for his own aims. Many tea party organisers had to deal with 9.12 people coming in and trying to take over/ordering them to do things “in the name of Beck”.
The attacks from Beck fans, as can be observed here if you criticize him, speak volumes.
Beck has done some good that is true, taking ideas and scandals to a broader audience. He rarely is instigator however.
“I Come Not To Praise Glenn Beck, But To Bury Him”
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Good intercoursing luck, Mr. Riehl. [LOL]
Glenn gets the information in front of the people in both formats! My wife, a wannabe lib, doesn’t like any one else but she will listen to him. This is a win! TRust me!
As far as dividing us and enabling a 3rd party, the republican “leadership” are the culprits responsible for that. I am a conservative/Jeffersonian liberal who happens to be a republican by choice. I can and will choose otherwise, e cannot regain control of the party from the “big tent” and “It’s his turn” leadership. There will be no other choice.
“… based upon my observations here in Washington, D.C.”
Dan Riehl, you have exposed yourself. You are a hack. Get out of sleeze town and get a life.
Politics in the United States has turned into a big joke, but it’s not Beck’s fault. He is only ridiculing the idiots. I like him. You could be writing something on the real evil people in politics today, but instead you chose to pick on Beck? I want to pick on Timothy Geithner, Rahm Emanuel, or Alan Greenspan.
Could Timothy Geithner really be as evil as he looks in his photographs? I think he is. I thought I saw him lying on the sidewalk a few blocks away from Minute Maid Park the other day, but he did not have an expensive suit on, he looked like a bum and was holding a sign that said, “I just want money for beer”. It could not have been him, because he sure does not need money for anything. Not for beer, crack, or whatever he may do. He has every taxpayer’s money and we do not need a sign showing us what he is.
This is unbelievable. Time to throw PM out my faves, not going to waste my time reading this cr@p.
I, for one, am a political conservative and think Dan’s piece is spot-on. Both Beck (and O’Reilly’s) “I’m looking out for you” populist shtick I find self-aggrandizing and boring. Beck Heads can take empathetic solace in his overwrought hand-wringing all they want — I’ll stick to less hyperbolic analysis.
“But his attempt to co-opt the tea party movement with that silly 9/12 Project nonsense that never actually caught on was the most ham-fisted and perhaps only insulting one of them all. Nine principles and 12 values? Can anyone even name them today? They were supposed to be what it was all about once. Oh well, at least one of his marketing schemes hasn’t tracked, so we do know he’s human after all. The D.C. tea party protest was always planned to come off. All Beck did was come up with a scheme to weave into it, trying to make it his, and it failed.”
THIS is the biggest joke in your article. WHY would anyone show up in DC and on every street corner in America on 9/12 if NOT for Glenn Beck? hmmm? You let your true reason for this article out with your sour grapes attitude when you mention Mark Levin. opps…maybe you shouldn’t have mentioned that if you wanted to sound credible. Glenn Beck lifts the dirty rocks in DC and shows us what is crawling underneath. WE like knowing what ‘anyone could find’ but have other things in our lives that keep us busy. It’s good to know that Glenn and all the Fox lineup give us the TRUTH. We sure as heck wouldn’t get it from the ‘fringe media’. They are too busy bemoaning the fact that Glenn tells us what the good guys are finding out! Stop pretening you are worried about the ‘damage’ he is doing, we see it, and it’s not the right being hurt…except when someone like you or someone from the fringe media tries to TELL us he’s hurting us. Trust us, we were smart enough NOT to vote for Obama, and we are smart enough about this. Go eat your sour grapes elsewhere.
He he he! Looks like you are the one getting buried Dano. What a waste of 1800 words, you need to go out into the desert and do a little fasting and re-think your motives and ideology. Come back in 40 days and let’s see a rewrite. One paragraph should do it!
I am very disappointed Dan! Beck is doing work no one else is doing, at least not to the depth, degree and consistency with which he is doing it. I think Mark Levin is the best thing to happen to this country since Reagan, and that includes Rush… but Beck is a close second. He’s covering territory not covered elsewhere and we need that now. There’s plenty of room for Mark, Sean, Rush and Glenn!
#89 Booker – IC, that is why you feel so comfortable going after Glenn Beck when you say ” …Beck is an alcoholic who sometimes lets his emotions get the best of him …”
No, you don’t go after fellow conservatives at all! Cheap shots!
103. Capt. Craig:
Indeed, well said!!
Mainstream Republicans = ineffective, same old, same old….Just a tad jealous, Dan?
If by “the right” you mean Republican establishment, then, yeah. I hope they do get hurt. Hurt amd hurt some more until they do something.
In the meantime, there’s a bunch of us that will throw in with anyone who is asking the right questions and getting something done.
David S. @71
You’re a hoot! I appreciate your continual contributions to PJM as they’re a reminder of why I will never vote for a Democrat (or should I say Marxist) again (and they thought a female union member would never venture off the Democratic Plantation).
The fringe of the fringe is in the WH (you go Kos “Is Scott Richter Actually Trig Palin’s Real Dad” – “Sarah Palin is NOT the Mother” Kids).
Of course, I don’t expect you to agree with me – you’ll froth with incredulity at the idea that your hero is the fringe. Many are waking up though to see how misguided they were; I know a sociology teacher (gasp!) who’s turned her nose up at Obama.
And it’s always nice to see the Left throw another one under the bus when they’re no longer useful to them, e.g., Cindy Sheehan. What’s that–no coverage of her protesting Obama (oops, wrong president)? Charlie Gibson, who couldn’t get enough of her when she “wasn’t moving until the President meets with her” suddenly says “enough already” (hmm, hmm, hmm, seems she’s preaching the same message).
Yes-sir-ree, the Left sure has their tighty-whitey’s in a knot over Palin and Beck. He’s (Obama) a racist is “hate-speech” unless, of course, it’s uttered by a lefty. Naturally, Obama can call Republicans racists too (“They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?”). And Palin, um, well, you know, um, she doesn’t talk like um, you know, um a Baaaaastana.
BOO! They’re part of that “vast right-wing conspiracy.” LOL!
Can I get you another glass of Kool-aid?
The only problem I have with Beck is his goofiness at times. Maybe its for entertainment value, but I prefer serious thinkers on my side.
I predict he will tone down the rhetoric for a couple of weeks so the left will have little to discuss other than the greatness of their cult leader.
I like Beck because he goes after conservatives /liberals /republicans /democrats for going against the best interests of the American people. I have no party/ ideological affiliations. I believe in the Constitution and see the government as going against it. This is what Beck exposes. And I’m not alone. That is why Beck has the numbers. People are pissed about big government. Beck has found that niche and I don’t really care if he uses that to make a few bucks as long as the people are galvanized and willing to exert the power to change things for the better.
Bozzio,
I am NOT a Beck head. He rather strikes me as a bit of a goofball. But I have a very hard time taking people who focus on his defects, instead of Obama’s, seriously.
I note a distinct recent record of acomplishment and outreach from Beck’s agitation vs. a long (almost a year now) record of failure, mockery, alarmism, and repetitive, snobby sounding, carping from most of his seemingly ineffectual critics who think they need to protect me from his mesmerism.
I hate to say this but a Beck is better than a Christopher Buckley in my book right now. He’s gone out and earned some real interest. When will the rest of the pile of stunned Republican pundits be able to say the same?
And when will we stop worrying about the smoke and mirrors of mainstream media approval? That carrot will never get any closer no matter how fast we walk. It’s a shell game. It’s a hustle. When a reporter or columnist mentiones that someone they wish to smear sort of looks like a child molester in the hopes of shutting them up or ruining them, and this observation takes hold and becomes widely repeated, the aboslute WORST thing the target can do is scratch his chin and wonder if it is his haircut, or shirt, or tie, or shoes that provoked the comment. It simply does not gain the Republican party or the conservative movement anything to compulsively buy into, and respond in good faith to, every false premise, ugly implication, or tangential association with distasteful imagery that springs from the malice of a hyperpartisan media with a clear political agenda.
The media are NOT executing a fair system of negative reinforcement on you commensurate with your actual guilt or virtue. They are cynically and intentionally trying to bury you and define you and beat you down. You will never be able to make yourself immune to such efforts or collaborate your way to a position of equality or safety. All sympathy is temporary. To them you are either a problem to be actively dealt with or a neutralized sucker. Mccain just learned that the hard way last fall. At least, one HOPES he did.
Riehl, Riehl? Isn’t that the pen name for the guy who writes for Teddy Kennedy and Olberman?
1800 words and Dan has said nothing! What would the playing field look like today if there were no Beck? Obama IS a racist, a black racist, one who believes, who KNOWS, that every problem a black man has had or will have is whitey’s fault and that, certainly, no blame or fault could ever rest with the black man!
Sure, Beck can be pompous or silly or both. But what would the 2.5 million folks watching him this afternoon, watch were he not on FOX? If you can find a better voice from the right, fine, but, I haven’t seen nor heard one.
I think tilting at Obama’s windmill is better than riding at Beck’s but then again, what do I know. I used to take Charles Johnson of LGF seriously too. Maybe I’m just one of the stupid ones.
Baaaa.
Good grief…at least get your facts straight. Glenn Beck DEBUNKED the internment camps. The video can be found at:
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/23671/
Why should we listen to your rant if you can’t be bothered to do your homework.
Bitter much, Dan? And obviously jealous.
Beck may be a bit hammy and melodromatic at times, but he’s saying what we’re all thinking regardless of the delivery. And by we, I mean those of us who see clearly what is happening to our country (i.e. socialists trying to take it over). At least he has the balls to actually investigate what is going on in our country and try to do something about it. You might want to try that instead of this jealous/whining thing you’re doing now, Dan. Oh, and I want an apology for wasting the last 4 minutes of my life with this pedestrian drivel.
Every change begins with the bomb throwers. And then comes consolidation. Beck is a bomb thrower, most admittedly, but he is necessary.
As long as efforts to put the political arena in its place do not progress beyond bomb throwing, then we will only see bomb throwing.
After all, when an assessment of government is done these days, it looks like it has taken on the proportions of the church in Europe just before the start of the 30 years war, which ended
with the peace of Westphalia, which is the foundation of the modern nation state. The dispute between the Church of Rome and those who
were called Protestands saw the realm of the church swell beyond its proper proportions. Well, we have that now with the realm of government.
So, I reiterate, as long as consolidation of the realm of government being smaller is delayed, more bombs will be thrown.
Dan Riehl thinks like the people who were advising Bush I and II and McCain and the country club crowd,that took the Republican down the drain and to defeat. Their policy is to compromise your values if you have any and work with the left,and they will like you. The fact is,the left will trample you and hate you more.
Dan, you’re not alone in your recognition of the threat posed to correct conservative thought by Beck and those like him. This quote from one of the leaders of the true conservative movement clearly validates your right-thinking position:
“These, as is now obvious, are the real enemies of conservatism. Is it really necessary that I once again recite their roster? The Limbaughs, the Becks, the Levins, the entire bloviating panoply of talk radio baboons peddling their toxic brew of anti-government sedition and foot unguents to hordes of slackjawed exurban megachurch McMansionites.”
T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII
c\o Iowahawk
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2009/09/an-ill-wind-is-breaking-for-our-president.html
Glenn Beck, despite what he has accomplished, hurts the right more than he helps.
I don’t buy the thesis.
Glenn Beck deserves credit for what he is doing to hurt Obama — there is no question about that.
I don’t buy the idea that GB does what he does in order to “hurt Obama”.
In short, the elitist media gets the joke. They are not putting him up there because they find him an effective, articulate spokesman for the right. They find him an oddity, something they can pin prick and laugh at. And consciously or not, they also know he has the potential to do tremendous damage to the right while having accomplished very little if anything much at all to help it himself. And that’s a fact.
Are you kidding ? The organs of the so called élite media are going down the drain. They don’t put Beck “up there”, Beck’s listeners and watchers, the numbers of them, put him “up there”, while the so called MSM seem obsessed with dissing, belittling & trying to marginalize Beck & Rush Limbaugh.
They certainly yak about them (B&L) and quote them enough, misrepresent their ideas and words often enough.
…to genuine observers, all the facts were out there for anyone of a mind to find them out.
All the genuine observers (whatever that term means) weren’t bringing all those obvious facts into the public consciousness. A cynic would say that all the genuine observers at, for example, the NYTimes or the WaPo were even ignoring all those obvious facts, hoping they’d go away.
One small example, an ACORN informant had the ear of a NYTimes reporter during the campaign, and the Times intentionally quashed the story so as not to hurt their guy’s chances to win. Not to mention ignoring all the copious negative stuff in Obama’s background during the campaign, specifically, his lifelong influences & associates.
I think there are numerous situations like that, where the so called MSM quashes stories averse to their publication’s ideologies. I recall CNN not reporting (pre invasion) on what they knew of Saddam’s atrocities so Saddam wouldn’t kick their news organization out of the country. Shameful stuff.
The thesis of your piece (at least page 1) feels like…”oh, the smart people in the media are just out there playing Glenn Beck for a fool”
I’ve not read recently a PJM story whose premises I found as flawed as this one.
You are brave Dan, good job.
At least you will cause people to think while watching Glenns show (or listening on the radio).
It’s interesting to imagine: it’s 2003, you’re G. Soros or similar and you’re looking ahead–what would you do? You need to get Obama re-elected and you know the sheen will have washed off by 2010/2012. As a tactical matter, you would put in place a Pied Piper guy to push, push, push for a third party. A guy who says Republicans are the same as Democrats. It doesn’t take much of the electorate to flip. They’re working on it.
71. David S: said’
“Of course, I don’t expect the denizens of PJM to agree with me…”
I suspect that you will be disappointed in your expectations so perhaps you should lower the bar. Not expecting the denizens of PJM to pay serious enough attention to your opinions to even warrant disagreement would be more realistic. Ridicule certainly, but disagreement requires respect for the argument.
I see that many people say Beck is a bit kookie, a goof-ball etc.
where does that come from.
he is animated and passionate. why do so-called conservatives use the left/liberal lables and descriptions. or the excessive retoric of Coulter and Malkin.
these are the liberals words for these very true conservatives.
so many of you are being played by the indoctrination and hi-jacking of language by the left that you don’t even see it when you co-opt it.
Beck isn’t claiming to be the leader of anything ..he has done valuable work to expose the lefts assualt on society and freedom, as have Hannity, Levin, Limbugh, Coulter, Malkin, Dick Morris. I have not seen any instance of hurt to the conservative ideals and causes by any of these people.
I find Beck to be honest and entertaining and that is very appealing.
Regards
It’s an interesting battle, to be sure. I agree with the opening premise that Mark Levin is the future of the Republican party, and more specifically the conservative movement. I also know that Levin, for all his brilliance, seems to want to fight Beck, without naming him… which seems counter productive to me.
There is a lot about Beck that conservatives find appealing… in his way of selling, his range of emotion (real or pretend) and his dedication to message.
Where he loses me is in his insistence on making points that only reverberate with the choir. He went on a long tangent for months on biblical signs of the apocalypse, for cryin’ out loud.
Furthermore, I stopped listening to Beck a while ago when a simple smear regarding his investment habits lead to him making one of the most absurd speeches in the history of radio. The smear was that Beck invests heavily in offshore businesses and foreign mutual funds… in stark contrast to his “Invest in America” ideology.
His only real defense, in a long and tearful explanation was “someone needs to rebuild America when it collapses!”.
Thanks Glenn, buh-bye, now.
But that is really a personal beef with me, and I can see where his showmanship is exactly what some conservatives need. He is the Jon Stewart of the right wing… with better ratings.
Levin, on the other had, is brilliant but caustic. He would be at home in 1776, and in many ways his “Liberty and Tyranny” is simply boosting the historical signal of our distant founders.
I certainly find more to admire in Levin’s withering logic and persistence than I do in Becks showmanship. But I also understand that Levin’s personality isn’t for everyone even though his lessons are. Similarly Beck isn’t for everyone even though most of his information should be.
In there daily persona both men have the same job… reduce the noise in the signal and broadcast the message to as many as can or will hear it. The only real difference (and for me it is a big one) is that “Liberty and Tyranny” will go down in history and a very important work of political philosophy where as “An Inconvenient Book” will not. That, for me, separates the two men.
But we need them BOTH here and now, even though only one is likely to be remembered in posterity.
“And I share the desperation of wanting to find someone that the media allows to stand up, to not be maligned while honestly and fairly speaking to our issues and representing our various just causes such as they are.”
Gee, I thought we should stand up for what was right, regardless of what the ‘media’ allowed? Seems the author is really more center/center left out to pick on poor old Glenn. And your bloviating about Glenn’s involvement in the 9/12 project and co-opting it for himself is just malarkey. If he were really attempting to make it ‘his’, he would have been there whooping it up with y’all. So listen up real close…When the ‘media’ allows or is accepting of someone, THEN WE SHOULD WORRY. So no my friend, I am happy with someone they despise and work hard to malign. As we have all seen over the past few years how the media behaves, I tend to go for the people they trash. And no offense Dan, but they usually turn out to be the ones who are not only worth listening to, but also right on the mark.
As far as I can tell, Glenn Beck is the only “conservative” talk show host who has EFFECTIVELY taken on both parties and their love of government expansion and their hatred of freedom. People don’t worship Beck. But we do support the freedom he talks about as he exposes the traitors. It takes a lot of courage to do that. He has done it.
He’s called Barack Obama a racist, for one. I’m appalled by my friends on the right who seem so willing to pass that remark off as insignificant — almost pretending it was never said. It was outrageous, undeserved, and represents nothing but the very kind of racist cudgel the left has been falsely charging the right with being for years.
Actually, the comment represents Glenn’s conclusion based on a considerable body of data. You may not agree with the conclusion, but to claim that it is without basis is tantamount to admitting that you havent done your homework. Beck provided evidence from which a reasonable person could develop doubts about whether Obama is truly the post-racial politician he ran as.
You obviously made no effort to discover Glenn’s reasoning. However, pretending he did not offer it is simply dishonest.
http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/07/glenn-beck-explains-for-media-his.html
I stopped listening to your friend (Mr. Levin)because he is filled with jealousy…this is the last time I will read your comments (and the first)
Beck will not damage the “Right.” He may, in fact, impart sever damage to the establishment GOP, but that is not the right any longer, and that will only help America in the long term. The GOP is, today, a pathetic, impotent bunch of establishment politicians utterly infected by greed and a self-serving incumbents’ mentality. I don’t give a rip whether the people who reestablish the Founders’ ideals for this nation are called Republicans. (In fact, it’s highly unlikely they will be called by that label.) There’s not enough difference between the Congressional Republicans and the rank-and-file Congressional Democrats to bother with. They simply oppose each other, while the Obama administration and the leadership of the House and Senate are running headlong toward Marxism. As this continues, the GOP is worrying about what their lobbyist patrons are pushing, not bothering to notice the destruction being meted out to the Constitution by Obama and his radical revolutionary backers.
GOP: PULL YOUR HEADS OUT!!! The battle lines have changed, and you’re still fighting the skirmishes of the last decade. Obama’s “fundamental remaking” of the US means her utter destruction. Stop puttering around with partisan conflicts and FIGHT LIKE HELL FOR OUR REPUBLIC!
God bless men like Glenn Beck who see through the elephant/donkey charade.
Beck:
Draws folks? CHECK!
Draws the ire of Leftists? CHECK!
Gets the Right riled up? CHECK!
Room for Beck under the tent? CHECK!
Attracts self defeating vitriol from the Left? CHECK!
Good Job Glenn! Keep up the good work.
We still have plenty of McCains i see.
Back is part (a small part) of the solution. What does that make you Mr. Riehl?
You are correct, it wasn’t Beck who broke the ACORN, NEA, Van Jones, etc. stories. But it was him (and olny him) who brought those stories to the wider audience (read: people who don’t frequent conservative blogs). As for the Obama/racist thing, yes, maybe calling Obama a racist who has a fundamental hate of white people went a bit further than the available evidence would support. I’ll just say he acted “stupidly” when he blamed the white cop without knowing the facts. But remember, if a white person jumped to the opposite conclusion without the facts…
man, these people really rope themselves up trying to find ways to attack him
Ever since a friend of mine told me about Beck in 2003 or so, I have not been able to listen to him. I change the channel. Something is wrong with that guy.
As they say in Paris, France, “Je ne sais quoi.”
Not sure what it is, but this article from Riehl only scratches the surface. Eventually it will come out, to the dismay of Fox News et al. The only words that seem accurate, to me, are that watching Beck is like watching someone in fever delirium. It makes me wince to see him with Bill O’Reilly saying what if Canada wanted to nuke the USA, which he said on the air last week. I am not that big of a fan of O’Reilly, who has his own problems, but he is at a much higher level than Beck.
Yeah, he is the current clown selected by legacy media types to manipulate against conservatives.
@105 theguywiththestupidname
Going after Glen Beck? You are daft. Beck is a self admitted alcoholic. And if you don’t think he doesn’t let his emotions get the best of him at times, you don’t watch his show.
Despite his imperfections I very much like Glen Beck, so much so I’ve accused Dan Rhiel, who I also like, of channeling Rick Moran, a person for whom I have no use.
homero,
Goofball and kookie are my honest impressions of the guy and his show. They are not liberal labels. They are what I see when I watch his show.
Sure he is passionate. But he also squeals, bellows (GET OFF OF MY PHONE!!!!), shrieks, whispers, weeps, uses robot voices to read questionable statements from a czar, uses multiple bizarre camera angles, does frequent drama stunts (like coating a cast member in “gasoline”, wrapping a dead fish in newspaper, boiling a rubber frog)
The guy’s show and behavior on that show is pretty hammy and over the top and he acts in strangely hyper and highly emotionally tempestuous manner.
He covers some odd subject matter too and sometimes ends such with a “what do you think?” type of ending.
So I am a bit ambivatlent about him but again, I cut him soem slack because he’s kicking butt and taking names while those who would warn us of his sinister influence, and the supposed politcal jeopardy he protends for the right, have not.
But as I said previously, I felt that same way about a certain anti-jihad blogger once and that did not turn out so well, so maybe I’m not a great choice to defend Back from his critics on the right.
Sorry – you, Levin and Hannity have shown yourself to be more than willing to overlook and cover-up the serious flaws within the Republican Party for the simple-minded belief that it is the only way to overcome the Democratic advantage.
James Trafficant (bar his Israel mind-control preoccupation) knows how far the Republican Party has moved to the left. You don’t take over a Party by knocking on the door and asking if you can come in and take over. You either do it, or start your own party.
I think people are inflating his importance. He is first and foremost an entertainer, who gives his opinion of the news and current events. Much like Rush, Hannity, Levin, and others.
They are part town crier, and part Paul Revere, but there job is to get people to view/listen to them.
It is interesting to watch the backlash against populism. I would think that a better strategy would be to co-opt Glenn Beck, say by going on his show. If he get’s off the tracks on an issue, steer him back to the straight and narrow. For instance, when Hannity is following what the Heritage Foundation is pushing, he’s much more on target and relevant to me.
BTW tea parties started before Santelli, and others popularized them.
Well, Glen Beck is a lot more entertaining than you. You sound like Chicken Little.
Let me get this straight.
Elected demopublicans and elected republicrats are selling us down the river with their “socialism heavy” and “socialism lite” programs. Beck spends his time railing at both. Does it matter if you drive over the cliff at 5 mph vs. 45 mph? No. Beck at least understands this. Republicrats, particularly those inside the beltway, are utterly clueless to this fact and believe that somehow driving over the cliff at 5 mph is safe.
So what do the republicrats do? They start bashing on Glenn Beck. Sorry, you’re clueless. EPIC FAIL.
Next!
You may be right about the left perceiving Glen as someone they can use to make conservatives look like fools, but if you are, it is a major miscalculation on their part. “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, and then you win.”
Wait wait wait.
What are trying to do with this article against Beck ?
Are you trying to apply Alinsky’s rules ? Are you trying to make the fight of the Patriots against the building of a totalitarian socialist-fascist regime a PERSONAL matter ?
Mr. Beck is a showman on TV, the movement for Freedom cannot possibly be confused with that, it is immensely greater, deeper, more solid.
On the other hand, Beck is a SINGLE VOICE in a sea of silence and opportunism (O’Reilly IS Mr. Opportunism).
Did he dare say that Obama is a racist ?
What a pity !!! A man who goes to “church” for TWENTY YEARS in a “church” in which the only sermon is apartheid and black supremacism cannot be called a racist ? Why ? Where are we, in Soviet Union ? Aren’t we allowed any longer to tell the truth if it is inconvenient to the New York Times ?
The camps ? First of all, as other posters have already said, he denounced the story IMMEDIATELY.
Second: is this administration the administration that prepared a report on domestic terrorism pointing at the supporters of American values as terrorists OR NOT ???????
It seems to me that your article is a monument to political opportunism and fear.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
Sounds like somebody is REALLY jealous of Beck…
How about showing some guts and expose what he exposes or at least back him up. Some conservatives are just as bad as liberals. I guess its all about the POWER..
Glen Beck is surely onto something. He has uncovered many issues that would otherwise be overlooked by the Media. In that, his show does a great service to highlight the un-accountablity of our Government.
Where I have a bit of a problem is that he seems slightly emotionally unhinged. Be it his passion for what he believes or perhaps something else…I’m not sure. I think we all appreciate the facts he presents – and he does it better than any other Journalist, the “theatrics” I can do without. And those emotional theatrics, I sadly feel, will be his undoing.
If only someone in his office would relay that sentiment. It looks more like “crazy” at times than simply impassioned speech.
Go Glenn Beck! You are getting to them now, buddy! Crap always stinks. Thank you for pointing our noses to the sources.
Here’s an excerpt from today post in NRO by the incomparable Mark Steyn. The bolding is mine.
Sad to say, many who should know better go along with it. Our old comrade David Frum wrote a piece called “Whose Side Is Glenn Beck On?” Well, in the space of a week Beck claimed the scalps of Van Jones, ACORN and that Yosi Sergant guy at the NEA, none of whom should ever have been anywhere near the corridors of power but who’d still be there if it weren’t for Beck. So whoever’s side he is on, it seems pretty clear he’s not on the Obama administration’s. Hence, Media Matters’s sudden obsession with such pressing concerns as Glenn’s mom’s three decade-old suicide.
The media would like the American Right to be represented by the likes of Bob Dole and John McCain, decent old sticks who know how to give dignified concession speeches. Last time round, we went along with their recommendation. If you want to get rave reviews for losing gracefully, that’s the way to go. If you want to win, look at whom the Democrats and their media chums are so frantic to destroy: That’s the better guide to what they’re really worried about.
The problem I see with an article such as this one is the use of right-wing where conservative would be a much better fit. Beck is probably the only “right wing” TV personalty at the moment. The fact that he isn’t even “right wing” and is slowly moving from a center right position to a right wing position as ppl watch him makes him all the more important.
If this piece had been written about say Sean Hannity or Bill O’Reilly I could see the logic in it… because neither Hannity or O’Reilly are right wing… they are centrists/conservatives. If this piece was about them I could really see you being onto something and the terms you use current terms. However thats not what this piece is about.
While I have yet to read Mr Levins book from everything I hear about it its about conservatives… not right wingers. Conservatives have done nothing in the last 60+ years to fix the slow creep(or run depending on the years) towards leftism… now of course this isn’t surprising since conservatives are centrists for the most part and are happy to barter away freedom for safety… be it safely getting reelected or many other forms of it.
This of course means that many conservatives who have won elect/reelection solely because they were the most “right wing” at the time will lose support if a real right wing group takes the field. They will also lose ratings and a great deal of power because right now conservatives/centrists have a hold over the center but also the whole section ranging from center-left to far right.
Conservatives/centrists need only compete with the left and far left for voters and power… it is of course why they happily barter away freedom to them for votes because everyone from center-right to right wing will still vote for them because they won’t vote for someone whose left or far left wing.
This is also why the Repubs have a huge number of center left officials… Repubs can afford to pander to the leftwing because they have a lock on the huge voting block that is “right wing”.
The real issue is that conservatives/centrists don’t want to give up the current power they hold… leftism offers more power to government officials thus conservatives/centrists see a great benefit from siding with them. On the other hand Rightism reduces the powers of government… thus conservatives/centrists don’t want to be forced to take these positions because they don’t offer anywhere near the benefit.
Conservatives/centrists have to be forced to make a choice… side with the ideology of “great” leaders such as marx, stalin, hitler, lenin, etc. Or side with leaders such as those that wrote the US Constitution.
Conservatives/centrists like Dan Riehl and countless others don’t want to choose and like the current power and games they play. In the end far to many will choose to lay with the likes of marx, stalin, hitler, lenin, etc then with thus who wrote the Constitution.
Oh Dan, surely you have better things to do than attack truth tellers.
We listen to what Beck says because he can prove it. He tells us where to find the answers to questions we didn’t know existed.
Maybe you could look into the fact that Obama is trying to get the Olympics, for Chicago or for Valerie Jarrette? We all know she is basically Obama’s right hand, so is this payback? What doooes she have to gain????? hhhmmmm After your silly attack on Glenn I wonder if you could do a serious story. Did Soros send you????
Oh dear, another one of our betters attempting to tell us what is wrong with populism. Boo hoo. Save the oh-so-concerned hand-wringing for the other elitists who are too nuanced to live among such egregious displays of deep feeling and urgency. You’ll need something to discuss, no doubt, over your evening snifter. Enjoy it while you can. The days of this particular brand of conservatism — the kind that gives a rat’s patootie about what the MSM think — are blessedly numbered.
But Dan is NOT THE ENEMY. Dan is on our side.
I completely agree with that statement. At the same time, I disagree with Dan’s thesis. There are valid criticisms to be made of Beck and, as some other commenters have mentioned, it would have behooved Dan to at least make the appearance that he had done his homework on one or two of the points he made. However, I’m sick and tired of the right forming circular firing squads over what is considered “acceptable conduct” these days. Despite the portrayal by the left, the libertarian-right side is an extremely large tent.
One final thought: if you don’t want to read Dan- or someone else’s- stuff, stop reading. Grandstanding and preening while stating “I will never read you again” makes you look like the pompous fool you are. No one cares if you go away. Just go.
1. I took my son, son-in-law and grandson to Washington DC on 9-12.
2. It was Glenn Beck who inspired me to go.
The question I have for this writer is this:
How many would have been there without Glenn Beck?
It takes all types of help to get a movement going…….Glenn motivates!
I only have a few words to say. Dan, obviously you do not watch the show. You have this all wrong. Glenn is not at all what you say he is. Shame on you for distorting the facts about him.
He is a good man and the only one with the guts to unfold the truth for all the world to see what is REALLY GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY.
I suspect you are just jealous that he is a success in pointing out the truth. Someone has to do the job that the MSM want do. Why don’t you do more of that ??
Thank you very much.
TO: Fred Beloit
RE: Too Bad
I’m getting the distinct impression that he [Obama] IS a ‘racist’. Of the first water, too.
Not only a ‘racist’ but more importantly, a ‘socialist’. Or worse yet a Communist.
Why do I say that?
Something to do with over a years worth of observation.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. And he uses ‘racism’ to support the marginalization of those who opening disagree with his ‘policies’, which, in my honestly held opinion, are designed to destroy America.
2. Thomas writes
“I have suspicions about Beck, too. He’s a bit too commercial for me. But you better understand that Beck isn’t creating the anger in this country, he’s merely tapping into it and giving it TV air.”
This would be the smartest observation in this thread. Why do you think Fox snapped him up? Why do you think Fox pushes O’Reilly and they dropped Alan Colmes from the Hannity show? It’s entertainment and ratings, folks. They sell adverts based on their viewership.
Some time, head over to You Tube and lookit the riff that George Carlin does on how We, the Sheeple are controlled by those in charge.
Beck is laughing all the way to the bank.
Me? I’m laughing because when I listen to the Left, I hear them reacting incoherently because he has skewered them so effectively. It’s what Palin did and it is how we should be: unafraid to look at the truth, warts and all.
I’ve never seen so many idiots assembled in one place since the last Democrat convention. Not calling this gent an idiot btw – but I will address the comment: “Conservatives love to eat their own.”
If you think and believe Beck is a conservative, you’ve no idea what one is. Nothing wrong with that but it needs pointing out. Were he that, I doubt I’d have an issue with him.
As for the morons calling me an elitist – I have been and remain a conservative blogger for 5-plus yrs in line with the grassroots, not the Republican establishment. I moved to DC a year ago to bring that to here, not the reverse. And I shun the inside the beltway set, their social events and so forth.
It would be nice to think that so many investing so much time in commenting had half a clue. It’s either sad to see that isn’t the case, or the usual Paulbots are on the loose.
Talk about elitist, someone invoked Steyn of NRO. I love his stuff usually. That column was old soap. It’s nothing the grassroots, including Limbaugh, haven’t been saying for years. Maybe that’s where he got it. You might also recall, I do as I linked it at the time, that’s the same Steyn who said the Tea Parties were much ado about nothing and would never amount to anything.
While a fine fellow with a charming presence, you might be well advised to find someone else to worship when it comes to understanding ground level US politics than the talented Mr. Steyn. He’s good and bad, as are we all, but that column was old hat. But even the best of them phone it in at times.
He no more understands Beck right now, than he did the Tea Parties when they started. I’m 2 for 2 on that score – take it for what it’s worth before going on to tell me not very much.
I’ve been at this too many years to care too much, so, best to just call your mother’s now if you’re looking for a sympathetic ear. ; )
Out!
Rather than picking apart his opinion point by point – which aside from being extremely easy would be a bigger waste of time than reading it – I’ll just say I find it quite appropriate Mr. Riehl is listed as a “former marketing professional”. The fact that he thinks Glenn hurts more than helps “conservatives” – not “the right” – provides good insight as to the “former” part. His extremely weak arguments in support of his premise provides even further reason.
While Beck may not be the brightest bulb in the package, I find no pleasure in rejecting him solely based on that premise. Beck describes himself as a libertarian, not a Republican or conservative. While libertarians, conservatives and Republicans can often agree on some matters, we know there are many differences, but eventually you will come to realize that …
“You fight the war with the army you have”
Bob said –
“You are brave Dan, good job.
At least you will cause people to think while watching Glenns show (or listening on the radio).”
You’re about 1/2 right, Bob. I will be thinking when I listen to Glenn’s show, but it certainly won’t have anything to do with Dan Riehl.
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What a sparkling example of traditional conservative thought. Someone is helping get people involved, but you see signs that they MAY end up hurting the “cause”, so dump them now before the opposition calls us bad names for going along with the guy.
I can see that if there were a “conservative” sports team that it would have no prima donnas, no players who were odd or weird, and no players who cared about winning games as much as they cared about looking cool in their uniforms and being friends with the sports reporters. What a winning formula that is, eh? It’s no damn wonder republicans can’t win elections, they figure it’s no whether you win or lose, it’s all about how you play the game!! Yeah, well that’s worked out so well that what you should be worrying about is that we may be on the verge of never having fair elections again in this country, not that someone who is getting people involved may be a problem down the road. How about you worry about winning now and about problems with overenthusiastic or weird people who are working their butts off later?
Geez, RINOs are the only animal species that craps in its’ own nest.
Have a day
Ooh! Some of us have hurt widdle Danny’s (#149) feewings!
No need to call us “morons”, Mr. Riehl.
It only confirms the lack of professionalism, a matter to which a number of poster above have alluded.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Not very mature either.
You don’t seem capable of respectfully – much less clearly, if at all – responding to the criticism of “internal bickering” (God forbid someone use the phrase “eat their own”…it might even suggest destructive behavior! Umm…THAT’S THE IDEA, MR. RIEHL!!!).
Your “argumentation” (being generous for the moment) does not speak highly of your ability to write/think.
But, having said that, welcome to Washington, D.C., your nation’s capital. We locals are sorta regulars…it’s the crazy folks on the Hill whom are elected, as well as their staff “enablers” who come for 4 years to get something “hot” on their resume, who make the place so unnecessarily tense. I guess it includes visiting pundits, too.
Could Dan Riehl be an arsonist who gets perverse thrills from burning down houses? I doubt it. Just wondering. We have to consider all options, right Mr. Riehl?
“I’ve never seen so many idiots assembled in one place …”
And you just couldn’t be left out of that now could you?
“As for the morons calling me an elitist”
I called you a propagandist, (whether consciously or not) and thus simply another tool of the statists. A modern agent of the apparatus (a.k.a. apparatchik) if you will.
“But even the best of them phone it in at times.”
Obviously. (one wouldn’t dream of leaving your post out of that salient point).
Are you jumping the shark here Dan, or is this just a “traffic generator” post?
I think the title of this piece is the most objectionable.
Dan’s point is, what Glenn Beck gets wrong, he gets spectacularly wrong, just as what he gets right, he does so with a big splash. He mentioned two instances of that, the “detention camps,” and the “Obama’s a racist” comment.
Now, the 2nd I’m not familiar with. I’d guess that what Glenn was getting at was more that Obama is a bigot when it comes to people of different ideologies then himself. I’d have to see the context in which Glenn was talking about.
I’m not of the opinion that we need, or ought to disavow many people from the party. If they openly advocate violence, or racism, sure, shun them. If they sometimes have views that you differ with, disavow the view, agree with them when you agree.
Nobody in the political sphere is 100% with my views. I don’t expect anyone ever will be with 100% of my views. But the point of politics and creating a mass movement, is working together on the things we do agree on, and trying to find consensus on the difficult issues, or even, agreeing to disagree on some issues.
I think a big part of the disagreement is, that most “average” people think the mainstream press, and lefties are going to misrepresent “us” anyway, calling us “racist, homophobes, violent, ignorant, stupid, etc,” we might as well support someone who speaks to our concerns. And speaks loudly, and seems to be getting things done. Yeah, so it might not be “his work,” but he’s the one pushing things to the national stage, in a way that most bloggers don’t have the chance to.
Dan, you’re entitled to your opinion of course, but the core of what you said was contained in this line, “… getting off one’s duff and getting involved in local or state party politics or actively joining up with the tea party movement is the only thing that’s going to help take back America and set the Republican Party right for the center-right.” And in your appeal to calm and objective reason and rationality.
First, I’d disagree that the goal is to appeal to the center-right. George W. Bush did that, with his “compassionate conservatism”, that was really a soft form of statism wearing conservative cosmetics. Bush, by his tacit endorsement of altruistic collectivism, inadvertently laid the foundation for the Obamanation to follow.
Second, the cacophony of criticism of Glenn Beck by the left, and the leftist media, is an indicator of how much they fear him — he was not portrayed on the cover of Time as a “mad man”, because he is inconsequential. They’re telling us how effective he is, by the intensity of their reaction.
It’s true that Glenn mercurially engages the emotions of his viewers, and that he calls attention to a ‘giant left-wing conspiracy’, the existence of which may not be conclusively demonstrable, even if it is very plausible. The left fears him for the very reason that he engages millions with his dynamism, and his outrage,
They have recognized that Glenn Beck knows that elections are won by emotions, not arguments. When I ask people who voted for Barack Obama, “Why?”, they seldom have a factual or logical explanation. What they have is a vague emotional commitment to “change“, to “hope“, to his charismatic style, or even to the color of his skin. Obama’s appeal was purely emotional, and all the incisively rational arguments by pundits in the conservative media could not alter that love affair. Political op-eds and blogs may lead a few scattered thinkers to a new conclusion, but 9 out of 10 “men in the street” are oblivious to these finely syllogistic arguments. If you need further proof of that, tune into Jay Leno’s “Jaywalking” segments.
Our emotions bind us to our party of choice, most often that of our parents, or an educational mentor. Once we have that commitment, logical arguments only produce cognitive dissonance, often defended by irrational anger — hence the angry left, and the extremist right.
Glenn Beck, FoxNews, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and conservative talk-radio have begun to open the eyes of many who swooned last November, by engaging their emotions and letting their minds follow. Beck’s ratings have quadrupled since he started with FoxNews, and they closely match those of O’Reilly, who has a much better time slot, and has been building for years, not months.
Finally, while I’ve had a long-standing observational interest in politics, and have enjoyed discussing issues sometimes with friends, I have never gotten off my duff and actually tried to actively participate in gleaning votes — not until this year, and not until I began watching Glenn Beck. This year, my sig-other and I have plans to be volunteer vote getters.
Glenn Beck has motivated us to decide to get off our duffs, and get involved.
Unfortunately Mr.Riehl is close to the same sort of whine as people like Frumm & Noonan. “Must not get too enthusiastic – must play nice – must sit back and wait until the correct voices tell us what to do and think.”
I’m not a major Beck fan but no one can deny he has generated more debate, more involvement by the average conservative, more interest others. Different platforms reach different audiences. Why complain about someone reaching more people? Apparently Levin wasn’t reaching the ame people Beck is.
As for Beck not being a Conservative – did he ever claim to be?
So many backhanded compliments…so leetle time.
I’ll be short. How about Beck is just trying to get to the truth. That is something that this President has NOT done yet. This administration is filled with corruption, Czar membership explosion, ect. and quite frankly a Democratic controlled Congress that just doesn’t want to follow the Constitution or to be honest with the American people. How dare Pelosi and Reid and the rest call me un-American. It’s an insult and I am my own person! Beck can be my wing man!
“I’ve never seen so many idiots assembled in one place since the last Democrat convention. Not calling this gent an idiot btw – but I will address the comment: “Conservatives love to eat their own.”
If indeed this is a response from the author, why did he bother? This ad hominem attack does him no credit, “You don’t like what wrote, but you’re all just poopy-heads! And I don’t care anyway, so Nyahh!” Then he failed to go on an address the “Conservatives love to eat their own” comment.
“If you think and believe Beck is a conservative, you’ve no idea what one is. Nothing wrong with that but it needs pointing out. Were he that, I doubt I’d have an issue with him.”
How so? Explain them what a “conservative” is in your view and why Beck isn’t one!!
This is purely a “eat their own” screed. I don’t get it. Why don’t those on the conservative side of things just recognize commonalities and accept the differences? Beck is good at what he does, and how he presents information and messages in a very populist way. For his part, Levin excels at a deeper more intellectual presentation of issues and explaining his views on conservatism. If there’s one thing the successes of the Left should have taught is that you don’t eat your own. Disagree sometimes, yes, but don’t cannibalize our various spokespersons by this fruitless purity play.
Instead of rejecting him as “unpure” or unworthy in your eyes, why get riled up about him? Why not *use* the strengths of a Beck or a Coulter when they raise the visibility of ACORN’s corruption, say, through thier own means and style, and then leverage that to expand upon it with your own messages?? I doubt that I’d have gotten Levin’s excellent book if I hadn’t been mulling over issues raised by Beck, for example.
Reinforce each other, stop shooting at each other!!!
I’m most impressed that Riehl came back to spit on everyone and thump his chest with more of the “I’m right & you assembled idiots are wrong, period, out!”
Wow… even took his ball….
So much for intelligent debate or conversation, Riehl. You just made it easy for me to choose the truth that Beck reveals, allowing his platform to be used by the workers who are on the frontlines, over your tantrum of interpretation.
You lost me at the racist crap.
You’re correct about one claim, you are a “little people.” Contrary to what you tried to portray, you don’t speak for me.
I am an AMERICAN.
God, Dan, you act just like Pelosi and the Dems when you read overwhelming proof that your article was not well received. Instead of reassessing your piece and addressing some of the points made against it, you attack the readers and call them names. Sounds like a familiar tactic of the left.
The problem with Beck is that people take him seriously. He’s nothing but an entertainer. Yes, fun to watch, but I still take everything he says with a grain of salt. It’s the people that see him as a true media figure that worry me.
RE #46/cedarhill: [...] Without folks like Beck nothing negative about the Left would ever get repeated. [...]
Respectful correction: “NOTHING TRUE” about the Left…”
Best regards -
Things equal to the same thing are equal to each other. We see this in academia that isn’t politicized. So, what does this mean in real life? Try this on for size: One source of life through all areas of life, and each person is presented with a choice: do you co-operate or not.
The dignity of making a choice is sufficient for the debased who don’t want to acknowledge origins.
But there is more, namely this: the choices we make affect the lives of those making the choice and it goes on from there affecting the lives of others.
So, do we want to base evaluations on what does not change, or is it to be based upon the status
quo? This is at the heart of what Riehl is writing, because as long as there are people who
do not allow consolidation of the perspective that there is a fixed point to evaluate the totality of life, we will continue to see bomb throwing rhetoric, and the wheel will continue spinning.
Mr. Riehl,
In the immortal words of Mad Maynard, “Who the $#%@ are you?!?!?”
I think it merely shows the true colors of the “conservative elite” when they want to soothe the American people back to sleep. It is the one thing that the elitist Republicans & Democrats agree on, that THEY should be in power, the fact that it passes to and fro sometimes is irrelevant since the pendulum will invariably swing back their way.
An awake and active American populace will be as much a thorn in the Republican side as it is in the Democrat, and the elite doesn’t want that, especially the RINOs. I mean God forbid that they actually have to answer to the people who put them in office more often than just before they’re up for re-election.
So Mr. Riehl to quote Mad Maynard once more, “Piss off ya tosser!”
162. Keith_Indy:
” I’d guess that what Glenn was getting at was more that Obama is a bigot when it comes to people of different ideologies then himself. I’d have to see the context in which Glenn was talking about.”
Wow, about about charitable! Let me clear that up that context thing for ya . . .
“Obama has exposed himself as a person with a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture . . . This guy is, I believe, a racist.”
Sound like ideological differences to you?
Glenn Beck, inspite of the over-dramatization and occasional mis-step, is getting the job done. The “conservative establishment” isn’t. Where, if anywhere this Beck thing goes in the future is unclear, but my view is this. Either the Republican party has a true come to Jesus moment and defines itself as the party of conservative solutions that work or a third party movement will appear. This would be too bad, given the history of third party failures, but, right now, the Republicans just can’t seem to get the message.
The only constructive alternative I can think of is a third party aimed at influencing, but not actually taking public office. With enough support such a political entity, call it the Reason Party could aim votes and dollars at candidates standing for a clear, but limited set of principals. The end goal would be to take the Republican party back from the inside, one candidate at a time.
I think you are an elist Dan. That is what I get from your piece.
I know Beck isn’t a republican, but he holds conservative views. What do you call him ? (besides a clown)
and if Beck is a clown what is obama and his cronies ?
everyone else is wrong but you Dan. Glad to see that you responded to the comments even though I think you are incorrect about Beck. Waiting for your definition of conservative. And would like your definition of Obama. as well Van Jones, R. Emanuale and D. Axelrod. how you view them would give me more insight on what you think conservative is.
thanks
regards
RE #152/Войска ПВО RE #1/Thomas [...] Why do you think Fox snapped him up? Why do you think Fox pushes O’Reilly and they dropped Alan Colmes from the Hannity show? It’s entertainment and ratings, folks. They sell adverts based on their viewership. [...]
Войска ПВО, you didn’t bring your theory to its logical conclusion: yes, rating, but ratings mirror viewership, which at its turn is a weathervane for political interests and concerns, which, as the cable news Beck’s or O’reilly’s cases show that our days cable viewership HAS BECOME of strong conservative (or anti-liberal) persuasions.
O’Reilly vs. Chriss Mattews -
Dennis Kuchinich vs. Rush Limbaugh -
These or other resembling pairings give a pretty good idea about the increasingly rarefied atmosphere from where liberals pontificate to their smaller and smaller flocks -
Best regards -
PS. I shamelessly enjoy Michael Savage, too. He’s a complete howl – liberals are so sick of him that they don’t don’t even mention him, have simply removed him from their bestiary.
Dan Riehl (153)
“It would be nice to think that so many investing so much time in commenting had half a clue.”
I’ve worked in multiple republican campaigns over the years and it’s almost always the lack of energy and emotion that turns people off to the republican candidate, not the message of either candidate seeking the office. The lack of energy and emotion is seen by most people as a lack of caring. Average folks will forgive someone their occasional foot in the mouth moment if they believe that person really cares and made an honest mistake. Only energy and emotion can convince others you care, not deep reasoning and carefully prepared insightful position papers. Since Beck and other libertarian or populist leaning folks have become vocal our conservative tent needs enlarging to handle those who have finally gotten involved.
Right now, Obama is shedding the emotional energy he had during the campaign and obviously doesn’t know how to get it back. Beck, on the other hand, is energizing millions who have populist or libertarian leanings but are well aware that there are only two parties with a chance of winning elections. With that great increase in interest in the republican party, here you are, arguing that it’s risky to enlarge the tent and allow new folks in unless they’re pure as the wind driven snow.
You might consider the slim chance that you’re not looking at things from the right perspective even though you’re so very obviously seldom wrong about anything. I think that you’ve touched a nerve you could learn a lot from if you weren’t so busy dismissing it as clueless. The fact is, I doubt anyone here needs a clue more than you do.
Have a nice day
One has to ask…does the left engage in any worried introspection that Bill Maher or Jon Stewart go to far and might be alienating people? I’m one of the regular (daily) commenters here that go to far. I do it gleefully, I like attacking trolls. It’s fun to spit on their idols and watch them freak out. The liberal media is never going to like us. Why not make them suffer a bit for pure entertainment purposes? I don’t know much about Beck, bc I don’t watch TV. Internet only. But I know all the right people hate him. Truthfully I’d love for there to be a more highbrow than Fox News source for the right, but it’s definitely not my first concern.
Mr. Riehl: Go to hell, and take the rest of your spineless inside the beltway, RINO friends with you. Your part of the problem, not the solution.
I consider myself a pretty careful person when it comes to associating my political views with public figures and Glenn Beck undeniably does much more good for the right than bad. Is he emotionally unstable at times? Yes. Do the conspiracy theories get akward at times? Yes. Does his harsh rehetoric about the Republican Party create the danger of more people going 3rd party? Yes. But he’s still doing a great job in the government watchdog role. He’s broken tons of stories many of which made me cringe when he first talked about them on his show but then resulted in resignations for the White House and Congress cutting ties from powerful leftist groups only a couple of months later. It turns out there’s a lot of truth behind his conspiracy theory mongering. Van Jones really was a nutjob. ACORN really was a vast leftist organization that was corrupting our entire country. Leftist elites really do have a radical vision for America. And he’s exposing it. He also played a large role in inspiring millions of people into getting politically active in reducing government expansion, corruption and waste. Sounds good to me. We conservatives really need to stop trying to eat each other and unite in reforming and improving our own party not only so we can win more elections but so we can actually improve the country once we get back in office in again. Call me crazy.
As Ronald Reagan said a long time ago; “now is not the time to paint with pretty pastels, now is the time to use BOLD colors”. (I think I got that about right…)
Glen Beck is painting a picture of America in very bold colors, even the dimmest of us can see this, and it’s about time someone did. Thank God for Glen Beck~!
Wow! Reading through the comments I see ALOT of valid points, points well made, which challenge and deconstruct Riehl’s wobbly argument. There’s wisdom in those posts for anybody smart enough to see it… But Riehl ignores all that and comes in, tongue-a-slobber with little more than slimy abuse and name calling. What a waste of space. What a bunch of crap!
Pajamasmedia: In the interest of keeping your readership,you might consider collaring this particularly rabid tool of idiocy. The arrogance evident in his special pleading is breathtaking: “I’ve never seen so many idiots in one place since the last Democratic convention”. His grandiose special pleading is embarrassing: “I have been and remain a conservative blogger for 5-plus (wow!) years in line with the grassroots”… Are those the John McCain “grassroots”, Dan? Lashing out at Mark Steyn, Levin, Beck, but worst of all, Pajamasmedia readers and posters like this does not redound to this sites’ credit. It looks like Riehl The Scold has caught a nasty case of that old Charles Johnson libel-blogger disease. It’s downright dsgusting.
59. publiuspen:
“Glenn Beck is an American patriot.”
Patriot? A guy who sides with the Islamic jihadists? Fighting a duly elected government by an American majority? Has he read the Patriot Act?
62. Naperboy:
Where you from, boy?
67. Cliff from VA:
“Thank YOU GLEN BECK… You have make(sic) the USA and ( ) World a better PLACE….”
You’re not learning grammar from him, aren’t you?
90. Bear:
“Vivo…here’s an idea for you…instead of proposing massive spending bills, let’s solve one problem at a time…the ones we all agree on.”
I agree. One at a time works most of the time.
100. Houston Native:
“This is unbelievable. Time to throw PM out my faves, not going to waste my time reading this cr@p.”
How conservative: one falls out of the mold and you throw out the whole kitchen!
Gee, Dan, I don’t know what to say. You poke fun at Mad King Charles for his assorted anti-right antics and then write two full pages of why Glenn Beck is a danger to the right. Is it at least possible to enjoy Mark Levin and Glenn Beck at the same time?
Are we on the right really so far in front of the Democrats that we can afford the luxury of peeing on one another? I pine for the days when Ronald Reagan preached the Eleventh Commandment- thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican. You can change that last to “conservative,” “righty talk show host,” “anti socialist,” or whatever, but I would hope that you get my drift. No one on the right is going to beat Obama by trashing fellow righties.
I would have thought that you’d have learned that from Charles Johnson.
Dan:
I know it is small comfort, but I agree. In fact when Beck said the US was better off with Obama than McCain, I thought the man had lost his mind. Of course his followers said that all he meant was that so many people would suffer under Obama that there would be a ground swell of small government support or whatever. Tell that to the millions who lose their jobs, or the future generations who will have to pick up the tab for Obama’s insane spending and economic policies. And tell that to the military men and women serving under Obama … say what you will about McCain, he would be a good Commander in Chief.
Of course there were also Beck’s attacks on Bush policy, such as the Patriot Act. That is the thing about Beck, you never know if he will channel Ron Paul or Huey Long. I think he is more of a libertarian than a conservative.
But you know what? He might jump on Theodore Roosevelt and call him a thug for his Latin American policy, he might say Bush should have been impeached for his immigration policy…but you will not hear him say the same things about Reagan…even though Reagan was very much involved in Latin America and even though he signed an amnesty bill…Beck knows his audience would turn on him and the ratings are what he cares most about. He is not consistent or thought out.
I like it when Beck goes after Obama, but I am afraid that someday he might crash and burn..I am also afraid that he will push for a third party and undermine Obama’s only real opposition.
Dan (Riehl):
Glenn Beck probably would appreciate more constructive criticism as well as positive guidance from a marketing professional like yourself. Why not ask him if he could use you? I really don’t think your opinon piece will be disqualifying. Give it a shot; there’s important work to be done!
P.S. Please send your resume to Sean Hannity too.
153. Dan Riehl:
That’s what I call a guy with cojones!
The wasps nest has been rattled.
168. SallyW:
“Contrary to what you tried to portray, you don’t speak for me.
I am an AMERICAN.”
One of 304,059,724 – Jul 2008
173. Scott:
In the immortal words of Mad Maynard, “Who the $#%@ are you?!?!?”
VIVO:Were you aware that your messiah got his start turning tricks for a slumlord? I’ve got my reservations about Beck, but I doubt the guy got his start on his knees in front of a slumlord. Your messiah did and you know it.
Who is Dan Riel and why does his opinion piece get top billing on Pajama Media? And who had as much difficulty getting through his twisted logic as much as I did? I’d rather go to the dentist than reread his story.
What’s his beef??? That Beck is a rabble rouser? That he bangs the pots and pans? Is that not done in elitist “Republican” society? I’m with Groucho Marx, I wouldn’t want to belong to any Republican Country Club that would have Glenn Beck or me as members.
Riel damns Beck with faint praise and I can’t help but feel the envy dripping off the page. Beck takes risks. He doesn’t have a thing to lose. He has no portfolio that he brought to the game. He volunteered to be the point of the spear to stab at the propagandists on the left. It’s a dirty business.
Riel and those who still use ‘snuff’ need to stay back behind the battle lines in their silk stockings. Those of us in the great unwashed will storm the Wal-Marts with our new Joan of Arc, Sarah Palin, riding her the white horse. Whether Sarah is burnt at the stake or overthrows the king is still unknown.
Riel sniffs “He’s called Barack Obama a racist, for one. I’m appalled by my friends on the right who seem so willing to pass that remark off as insignificant — almost pretending it was never said. It was outrageous, undeserved, and represents nothing but the very kind of racist cudgel the left has been falsely charging the right with being for years.”
Problem is, Beck is right. A whole slew of racist apologists from the Left have appeared to couch every dissension from the Obama doxology as racist. By doing so, they assume what they disdain. To call Obama a racist is significant and it is not outrageous and not undeserved. It is an objective conclusion drawn from the spoken statements of Obama himself. For Riel to be appalled by the right is nothing short of acting “stupidly”.
Riel demonstrates that he hasn’t a clue of the pestilent blight that is Barack Obama. While Riel flagellates the workers in the field, we will ignore him and his high-faluting impractical point of view and work to get voters to the polls in 2010. People don’t like Obama, don’t like the way the country is going and don’t like “experts” lording it over with their pomposity.
I think #49 nailed it. I’m open to a credible case but this ain’t it.
Beck’s biggest asset is his biggest weakness I think: the “I don’t care which party you are, it’s the principles that matter!” This is huge. Probably the single most appealing component of his message. A getting back to the basics. A believable shedding of “always defend your team at all costs” mentality. That’s refreshing.
But he is also too quick with the “they are all the same in Washington.” They are not all the same. Elected representatives who voted for or against the pork-filled “stimulus”, who voted for the Houses’s Cap and Tax, who are for or against BigGov Healthcare, who are for or against a cut-and-run foreign policy are dramatically different from one another.
Your goal is that you don’t want Beck to become a singular standard bearer of the right. I don’t think that’s going to happen, even despite the left’s primal need to paint someone as the embodiment of the right so they can tear him or her down.
Despite some folks on the right being on covers of magazines that no one is reading anymore, there is no single “standard bearer” who defines the right at the moment. Some come close.
But this is exactly why people have taken it upon themselves to go to the streets and raise their own voices at Tea Parties and town halls. Why a couple 20-somethings picked up a camera and went into an ACORN office or 2. Why so many are actively involved who have never before been involved…
…Because there’s no single politician, talking head, blogger, radio show, cable network or celebrity who is speaking for us effectively enough that we feel we don’t need to speak for ourselves.
We aren’t out here busting our humps protesting because talking heads say so. We are out here busting our humps because we feel under-represented and so are taking it upon ourselves to represent ourselves and our principles.
And since the left and legacy media have no single standard-bearer to tear down they are forced to disparage average citizens as a racist, angry mob. Doesn’t work.
I’m happy that the “standard bearer” of the right is a mass of individual Americans.
No one, not Beck, not you, not PJMedia, not Fox News has been able to effectively bottle it all up as their own.
And that’s a good thing.
Relax, Dan. You are over-estimating the opposition, and you have better things to do than educate them. Nobody on the Left bothers to find out what is being said on Fox, or by Glen Beck, Ann Coulter, or Rush Limbaugh. Due to their sheer laziness, none of their pundits have the faintest idea of what they opposition actually does or says. This is an exploitable weakness. When the time comes, all you or other conservatives will have to do is point out that the criticism is wide of the mark, using actual quotes and video. It will be dead, solid, easy, provided you do not get distracted into wasting your valuable fifteen minutes criticizing your friends and allies.
Think of how well the Clinton Campaign defended their guy. Think of how well the Bush Campaign rolled John Kerry. Think of how often a really good home-run hitter swings and misses.
Glen Beck is popular and effective because he is entertaining. He makes funny faces, and he engages in hyperbole. In and among the obvious silliness, he sometimes has a great point. The only reason he’s had success with a few issues is because he’s had a good point, from time to time. So not everything he says is perfect. Babe Ruth, the home run king, failed to connect a majority of the time. Nobody seems to remember how often The Babe missed.
Treat the guy like a friend and ally. When he connects, say he connected, and when he misses, just let it die quietly.
Mr. Riehl; “GET OFF MY PHONE!”
This is pure jealousy, anyone can see that.
912 movement has caught on — just look at how many groups there are online! They also belong to the bigger tea party coalition, especially here in NH.
We have about 35 such groups with a 912 chapter in each major city.
We consider 912ers to be political newbies who are raring to go and they are learning fast.
No one is ‘hurting’ Obama. Only Obama is hurting Obama for all the horrible nightmarish tricks he is pulling.
Blah blah blah.
Then you jump up on a national forum and rally people around you, Dan. How about you give us some hope for this change that’s been thrust upon us.
Who on the right is doing it? Are there some impassioned Republican politicians seizing this moment that I haven’t noticed? We’re twisting in the wind here while our country sinks with the weight of the Marxists.
Thank God for Glenn Beck.
Yet again, we Conservatives are supposed to be submissive and quiet and not raise any hackles because *gasp* we might offend someone? NOT. That’s what got us Obamination in the first place.
Quit perpetrating the wimpy Conservative profiling Mr. Riehl. Those days are gone thanks to Obama. We’ve learned well from his thug-politics. The next election is going to be proof of that.
Ignore the haters Beck!
@153 Dan Riehl
It was very kind of you not to call me an idiot when you said, referring to my post at #89:
I’ve never seen so many idiots assembled in one place since the last Democrat convention. Not calling this gent an idiot btw – but I will address the comment: “Conservatives love to eat their own.”
If you think and believe Beck is a conservative, you’ve no idea what one is. Nothing wrong with that but it needs pointing out. Were he that, I doubt I’d have an issue with him.
The fact that Beck – who daily calls for reduced government – isn’t a conservative in your mind proves my point to perfection that conservatives love to eat their own. Conservatives like you dismiss their own as not really conservative or pure enough, and attack other conservatives unmindful that that relex will not draw independents to the cause. (And this selfish and impractical relex among conservatives is one of the reasons that a radical like Obama is now POTUS.)
If any further proof were needed to support my statement that conservatives love to eat their own, you supply it in the same comment when you attack Mark Steyn. I suppose he’s not a real conservative either.
I suggest that rather than calling commenters on this site idiots that you direct your anger at liberals rather than your fellow conservatives.
With the daily outrages emanating from the Obama administration it’s tiresome to read people like you, Frum, Moran, Shaw and now Levin attacking conservatives.
I did not intend my post at #197, directed to my friend Dan Riehl, to be anonymous.
Dan What’s-his-name is a friend of Mark Levin and, not to take anything away from Glenn Beck (was it four or five times he wrote that?) just thinks Beck’s bad news because of blah, blah, blah.
Another one who never really watched more than a few soundbites of Beck’s show.
Dan, man…
I respectfully do not agree at all. Still luv ya, though.
Thomas (#2) wrote:
“And, you Mr. Riehl? Here’s your problem: ‘…based upon my observations here in Washington, D.C.’
Unlike your whining, hand-wringing worries of being painted by the left media as fanatic in the bubble you live, we in the midwest simply don’t give a damn what the media thinks. Anyone who is terrified of the main stream media is a RINO.”
I was going to say it a bit less bluntly, but “Thomas” has all of the basics. I’m not in the Midwest; I’m in the Southwest, so this viewpoint is not as regional as “Thomas” suggests.
What I’m hearing in your piece, Mr. Riehl, is the voice of a “marketing professional” for the Republican Party (or one looking to get hired).
I’m not a big fan of Beck. He’s lukewarm ok. I think he’s sometimes amusing, but unstable and edgy. He doesn’t have the leadership skills or strength of personality to lead a group of girl scouts in selling cookies. I think it possible that under the right pressure he might go off the edge and be a fine whip for the Old Media to beat us with. Still, I agree with “Thomas”.
Limbaugh addressed exactly this point today, with some passion. It makes him crazy when people he knows anxiously advise him to avoid supporting Sarah Palin, “because she doesn’t know anything; did you see that interview with Katie Couric? They [Old Media] will destroy us!” Limbaugh’s argument is that the Old Media no longer have that power–so long as we actually defend our own, unlike the Republican Party establishment, when they turned their backs on Gingrich and the Reform Congress.
I think Limbaugh is right. In any event, I’m fed to the gills with all this worry about how something might “play” in the Old Media, or when the Democrats get hold of it.
You sound like a beaten wife.
Your hyperventilation over Beck’s saying Obama is a racist is diagnostic, as is your denunciation of Beck’s silly idiocy over internment camps being set up for dissenters. How does that compare to a member of Congress (African-American)asserting on the House floor that sharks still gather in the Middle Passage after 150 years in anticipation of a feed of slaves thrown overboard? I know: “They can be idiots; WE cannot.”
You might respond that my viewpoint is not wise, cautious,
realistic, or professional thinking. Yes, I’m a Yahoo–college-educated through graduate school. It is exactly your kind of professional political class thinking that has made the Republican Party losers again and again and again in my lifetime, fielding “safe” candidates: broken-down, party hacks like Bob Dole and John McCain, with Mitt Romney still to come in 2012 because it’s Mitt’s turn, and the entrail-readers say he “could” win.
The Republican Party is going to find plenty of elbow-room in its “Big Tent” in 2012 if they try to use the old “trust the professionals” wheeze yet again. I’ve been around long enough not to be fooled. Your piece is ostensibly about Beck, but the real Message I’m hearing is the same old, “Let the Pros handle this.”
Been there; done that; never again.
P.S.
..Obama IS a racist. Do you think he slept through
Rev. Wright’s raging, mad-dog sermons for 20 years? If I said that Obama was a “typical black person..” in his response to whites, would you think ME a racist?
I’m getting madder and madder; time to quit.
Come on now. What did Beck have to do? Was he somehow annointed to do something? I think he’s done a pretty good job. I find the ridicule a joke. What yave you done Mr. Riehl?
It is not Beck’s job to do anything “special” but at least he is making a difference. I am not even sure why this article was written. It’s garbage.
Beck may not be perfect or even correct all of the time but he is at least stirring up the bee’s nest the rest of the lame right is afraid to do.
Mr. Riehl, try again.
This is very weird, Dan. Your rebuttal in #153, as if to say everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. Then you seem to get hung up on Mark Steyn, who is, near flawlessly, a very bright observer of the American scene, not to mention the human condition.
If you think and believe Beck is a conservative, you’ve no idea what one is. Nothing wrong with that but it needs pointing out. Were he that, I doubt I’d have an issue with him.
You also seem hung up on the label “conservative” and seem to think Beck’s message relies on the fact that people claim Beck is a conservative and that factoid proves or disproves something about his credibility or lack thereof.
Glenn Beck identifies himself as a “libertarian”, big F deal. It’s his contrast of what this country was founded to be and what Obama and friends think it should be made into that resonates with his viewers, labels be damned.
As for the morons calling me an elitist – I have been and remain a conservative blogger for 5-plus yrs in line with the grassroots, not the Republican establishment.
1. huh ?
2. so what ?
Are you still in your 20′s or something ?
Are you jealous of Mark Steyn ?
Great article, Dan. I prefer commentators who are sober-minded, methodical and skeptical as opposed to cynical.
To those who are so critical of Dan, he is not attacking Glenn Beck as much as he is defending what will make us great again.
Common sense is vital, but it is uncommon sense coupled with common sense that will bring us to prosperity in America.
Sarah Palin called herself a ‘common sense conservative’ recently. She is, indeed, but she also has an uncommon sense that rises to the level of jaw-dropping brilliance at times.
I watch Beck almost daily through the week and I appreciate much of what he is doing….. but I frequently slap myself in the forehead and ask, “what on earth made him say that??” The comment about the president being racist and the comment about our being better off with Obama than McCain are two extreme examples, but there are many others for me.
I’m not a libertarian. I’m a faithful and practicing Catholic a la Bobby Jindal, and that’s how I vote. Sarah Palin has my vote. Glenn Beck is entertainment. Great entertainment,,,,,,but entertainment, nevertheless.
While I have not read all fo the comments, I appoligise if the following point has already been made. I think Obama was and is racist for his comments in the Professor Gates problem. He took one side of the racist story and assumed it was true. Why, just because it was his friend that had the problem or just because it was his black friend and a white police officer? I think the later, Obama=racist!
Beck is a strange guy, but in ways that makes him much more refreshing than Johnny-one-note Hannity. Beck can do some serious damage to Obama, but it will take someone like Romney to actually get elected.
@153 Dan Riehl
Of course guys, you have been at this so long that you is much smarter than the rest of us. We humble, less than intelligent readers must bow to your infinite wisdom and see the world as you do. I’ll just go away and cower with the rest of the idiots that disagreed with your interpretation of Glenn Beck and his motives/ideals.
Sir, it is people like you that create rifts in the conservative cause. You sound just like Evangelical Christians bashing Mormons because their interpretation of Jesus is different. Quit trashing someone who has the cojones to stand up and call it like it is, regardless of political party. Even Glenn himself says he is more Libertarian than Republican, and leaning more that way every day. Not that he is a puppet of Ron Paul, but that the more he lives and sees, the more he understands that fundamental personal liberty is being lost to big government and its regulations. Mark Levin and other conservatives agree, only they present it differently. Glenn’s ‘Morning Zoo’ style resonates with a large audience who get tired of hearing Levin drone on ( ya big DOPE ), or Rush bragging about his intelligence or Hannity and his ‘great American’ line. They all have the same core message…out with Big government, support liberty and we will prosper. Of course, as much of an idiot as I am, maybe I have that all wrong…perhaps YOU could set me straight?
Dan,
I’ve occasionally commented on your blog. I remember you saying you’re not a social conservative, but you don’t fear them. I fear the breaking point. At some point, each sorta conservative is faced with the question: will they go whole hog conservative, or not? You’re kinda looking like checking ‘not’ to that question.
Don’t do it man. Given a choice between Limbaugh and David Frum, you should choose Limbaugh as a general rule. You can follow Christopher Buckley to ignominy, and Meghan McCain to being a practise target, and the Governator to being a bad example of why fiscons without socons are wimps in politics, or you can learn something from people who are offering you help (even if its occasionally harshly said).
Dave Lincoln,
I believe I see an appeal to objectivism in your post via a mention of Aristotelian identity and a refusal to dilute principle.
The problem with this argument being used as an effective cudgel against fickle crowds and bomb throwers and instability is that the biggest propronent of Objectivism was herself a bit of a polarizing bomb thrower who stirred crowds and favored the dramatic demonstration over the cerebral formulation and abhored the idea of a worm ridden compromise passed off as a good enough implementation of her principles. In short I do not think Rand would have long tolerated a Dan Riel acting as self appointed brakes to a populist momentum towards protecting the concept of property, depowering central authority, and exposing corruption and lunacy wherever they are found regardless of the concequences. Rand’s solution was to blow up the fictional Fountain Head since nothing at all was preferable to a sham and a hazard. She did not not have her hero promise to gradually fix it later and bicker with the inspectors. She did not recommend compromise or caution in confronting the great enemy of utopian collectivisim. She certainly didn’t want a big powerful government even if it was, for the moment friendly, and tyrranical to the right people about the right stuff.
To; Dan Riehl
I have watched and listened to Glen Beck and Mark levin. I have also read both of these Gentleman. You I had to google to find out who you are…..enough said.
TO: Dan Riehl
RE: Look Who’s Talk’n
Your diatribe against anyone who disagrees with you is duly noted as ‘idiotic’ and puerile in nature.
RE: Say What?
My mother has been dead for 36 years. And my mother-in-law died last Christmas. Thank you for bringing that up.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[He's not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!]
Give it a rest broham Beck is kickin butt and takin names. I’m getting tierd of all of these so called conservatives who think they are above this. Not even Burke could be profound 4 hours a day. I for one am circling the wagons when it comes to Beck.
You know, Dan, I understand the feelings you have about Glenn Beck; sometimes he is over schmaltzy for me too. But I know many people who can tell your what the 9-12 principles and values are. He seems to inspire a resurgent, “Hey, Freedom is sacred and great; let’s protect it!” sentiment. He also gets people to act by organizing and taking a stand in public and doing something constructive to change things. What has the Conservative intelligentsia done similarly, you know, the ever so smart high minded analysts who rub shoulders with other great Conservative intellect, besides whining about liberals and socialists?
Glenn Beck got people off their arses. He got them to act. He encourages people to read and question. So, yes he’s hyperbolic and sloppy sometimes and just plain silly — like the CARS program — but you know what, I bet the bureaucrats are going to be a little more careful with how they run their programs in the future. And they now know someone is watching who may not be sophisticated enough to be fooled by their well-rationalized nonsense. He’s also not telling people, he’s the One. He tells people to think for themselves. I can live with that kind of imperfect conservative populist.
Dan, Way back in #4 I mentioned divisiveness among “the Right” SUCH AS YOURS.
YOU mention “conservative” and “Republican.”
And THAT is the perfect “proof” of what I was trying to point out.
The others who “group” you with noted RINO pundits is they are known as suspect among conservatives guided by principles.
Now is NOT the time to be “eliminating the competition” among the Right.
Cripes. Look at the calendar, man.
Now, go to Duccini’s (18th and Florida) and eat up pizza until you see the error of your ways.
Dan & other commenters,
I see what you’re saying, but I still like Beck. I don’t watch his show much, but there is no denying that he is reaching people about important subjects. As far as I can tell, he is the first person who has tried — and continues to try — to explain the narrative that David Horowitz has been writing about for years: i.e., who the Left is and what they really want. His corn-pone goofiness may not be to my taste (like you, I prefer Mark Levin), but what he is trying to do is nothing short of incredible, and that he seems to be succeeding is even more incredible.
Granted, he is wrong when he says there is no difference between the two major parties. However, (1) Beck has never called himself a Republican, though he is calling for limited government and an overall return to first principles; and (2) is it possible that, despite his incorrect statement about the parties, he is nevertheless pushing the GOP to run as a principled conservative party?
The above said, I do have two complaints about Glen Beck that I feel are undeniably reasonable:
1) He doesn’t let his guests talk. He asks them a question or two, then they answer a bit, then he jumps in and talks-talks-talks until the segment’s done. A guy like Pat Caddell, for example, can’t get a word in edgewise with Beck — and that is not good.
2) Mark Levin is right, Beck doesn’t credit his sources. This is not only morally wrong, it is counterproductive: bloggers like Gateway Pundit should be mentioned at every opportunity so viewers can check them out themselves.
Otherwise, I think Beck is okay. He may be a ham, and goofy, but overall, to suggest that he is damaging the conservative movement or the GOP is I believe incorrect. He is part of the conservative *spectrum*, and on balance he makes more of a positive contribution than a negative one to the advancement of conservative ideals.
You are correct to say that, all too often, the MSM has “picked” our popular voices, as well as our candidates for us, and that for this reason they have ignored serious voices such as Mark Levin. Yet if Levin ever complained about this, he doesn’t anymore, because he knows the MSM is dying. Nobody reads Newsweek for news anymore; both the credibility and the finances of the New York Times and the WaPo are in the toilet; and as for network news — please. They will not be able to pick our leaders anymore, they will not be able to assign Glen Beck or anybody else as “the face of the GOP” to help the Democrats.
So don’t worry about Glen Beck. Unless and until he actively promotes a third party and the movement grows legs, he is not a problem for conservatism or the GOP. On the contrary, so long as he keeps telling America about ACORN, the SEIU, the Tides Foundation, George Soros, and all the rest, he will be helping us, and helping the country.
Regards,
JR Dogman
What’s wrong with telling the truth,Dan ?
Dan, give it up. The country is lucky to have someone like Glenn Beck to expose the left. What exactly have you done to elevate conservatives? Still waiting. You may not like Glenn’s style, but HE GETS RESULTS. Conservatives like you and Rick Moran sound like petulant little children.
People are starting to pay attention to the czars, ACORN, corruption, etc. because of Glenn Beck. He is GREAT for conservatives. Meanwhile, people are asking Dan who? Crickets chirping…
I am sick of the conservatives DEVOURING each other out of jealousy,envy, fear, or whatever.
EVERYONE has a part in this battle, no matter if the part is large or small. And EVERYONE has a job to do, some at the forefront and some behind the scenes.
Beck is obviously at the forefront, just like Rush, Hannity, Levin, and every other conservative commentator, columnist, pundit, newscaster, etc.
I don’t see Beck through your bottle thick distorted glasses. For too long conservatives have been too timid to speak their minds and hearts. The MSM will report distortions no matter what we do. The media obviously is not to be feared but exposed and that is what Beck and others like him are doing.
So get a clue Dan, Beck isn’t going away and neither are those who listen to him and they’re not afraid of what the big, bad MSM is going to say or think. It is long past time for the timidity that got us this unchecked corruption in the first place.
Glenn Beck and I are members of the same church- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints- some call us Mormons.
Part of our doctrine teaches:
I think sometimes Glenn forgets whom he represents.
But then again-
Harry Reid is also a Mormon?
Mr Riehl,
Please, return to your liberal enclave and stop the ruse. You are as right as Eleanor Cliff.
I can never understand why some conservatives worry so much about the foibles of those helping them. The left has way more loons and crazies in its stable than the right, extending all the way up to the highest levels of government. Chris “thrill up his leg” Matthews, Keith Olberman, Bill Maher, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton range from professional race baiters to certifiable nut cases yet no one on the left wants to banish them. Newsweek just came out with an issue labeling babies as racists and openly advocating death panels. Even Bill Clinton just reiterated his belief, along with Hillary, of a vast rightwing conspiracy. Imagine if McCain had complained of a vast leftwing conspiracy during the 2008 election, which is far closer to the truth. He would have been ridiculed as a crackpot.
What people like Riehl don’t understand is the left will try to isolate, ridicule, and destroy anyone they think they can tie to conservatives. If it isn’t Glenn Beck it will be someone else. If they can’t find anything substantial to use against them they will make it up wholecloth. That much should be obvious considering what happened in the 2008 election. Worrying about Glenn Beck at a time like this is like someone complaining about a neighbor who has painted his house pink while an arsonist is setting the whole block on fire.
Well Mr. Riehl, since you seem to be a big fan of telling it like it is you won’t mind hearing it like it is. And bear in mind this DOES NOT come from a “Beck-head”.
You have written an article trying to highlight the danger that Glenn Beck poses to the conservative movement and have completely missed what is by far the greatest danger that he and those like him pose to us.
It is not that Glenn Beck fails and ends up tarnishing the conservative cause. It is that he succeeds and achieves the reelection of this marxist madman in the White House, by enabling a 3rd party candidate like Ron Paul to syphon away enough votes to allow Owe’s reelection.
Dan:
You’ve been slapped so hard by so many commentators on this thread that you might just wake-up. Wake-up, smell the napalm, and then prostrate yourself before the Leviathan that is Glenn Beck: a known coke addict, wearer of magic underwear and self-described rodeo clown who is the hottest thing the fractured American Right has going right now. In front of a populist surge this massive you can only celebrate, worship and adore, for you don’t have the pull to do anything else. If you want to slow him down, or curb his excesses, you are way too late: the crazy train has left the station.
Just when you think our trolls can’t be more ridiculous, the say something really stupid like this:
33. VIVO
“It has been determined that the haters of America (Bin Laden, radical jihadists), have found a very cheap way to fight their detested archenemies. They rely on the constant guerrilla warfare by the likes of Glenn Beck, B O’Reilly, A Coulter, Fox News and dozens of conservatives. They are no different from the revolutionaries of the 60’s in Latin America, except that they take cover under the Bill of Rights.”
Really? Because it is the Republicans that are supporting and encouraging the President to go after terrorists and prosecute the war in Afghanistan. It is the leftists that control the Democratic party that want to cut, run, and appease.
Then you look at the inane rants of “war crimes” and “Halliburton” and “Abu Graib” while President Bush was in office and it is pretty clear that comment was pure projection.
The right is a slowly (too slowly) dying bunch of Southern, white, male, toothless hillbillies. You are all morons (or should I say MORANS) who are too stupid to realize that the screaming, drooling, weeping idiots like Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, O’Reilly et. al. are only hastening your demise. LONG LIVE RIGHT WING TALK MEDIA!!
If by “hurting the right”, you mean hurting the neocons, then I say, hip hip hooray. Go Beck ! King George 2 was a total disaster, yet a lot of those calling themselves “conservatives” cheered him on. After all, he has an “R” after his name! Big diddly squat. There is only 1 party. I’m really glad to hear someone on the radio (sorry, I don’t watch the idiot tube) talk about what is really going on in the country / world. I’ve been reading about it for decades. The American ppl need to wake up and stand up before it is too late, if it is not already so. If Beck can help to awaken and arouse the American people, I stand behind him. It is not an “R” / “D” thing. It is about saving this once great nation.
204. Lisa Graas:
“Sarah Palin called herself a ‘common sense conservative’ recently.”
Her common sense is as good as what her handlers feed her. Is it common sense to avoid press questions? (Yes, when you know you’ll be exposed)
“Glenn Beck is entertainment. Great entertainment,,,,,,but entertainment, nevertheless.”
Now that’s common sense!
WOW, did you step in it. Are you David Frum’s brother? RINO alert. You better go pick out the phone booth you and your “center right conservative” friends will be holding your convention in.
the hand-wringers get it wrong every time. by constantly carping about Palin or Beck, or whomever, they actually help to elevate their status. Beck most certainly doesn’t do more harm than good. His is not a show that I go out of my way to watch. But the fire he draws from the left serves to make them look like anti-religious zealots. Why anyone would think that the right is better off without wildly popular people like Beck or Palin in beyond me.
Give Me a BREAK
It’s obvious from the comments here, that Mr. Reihl doesn’t have a clue of what he is talking about. It’s too bad more Republican representatives can’t or won’t put the diagrams and charts together to connect the dots like Beck.
Sounds like sour grapes to me….
Kiki, your stupid and offensive fantasies about your opposition aren’t going to save Obama’s plunging popularity. Sorry. Easy come, easy go.
The General thesis of this screed is that since Glenn Beck is not the same type of conservative thinker as Mr. Reihl is, then Beck must be some sort of idiot. And to back it up Mr. Reihl says even his friends think Beck is an idiot. Then of course when posters don’t rush to agree with how astute Mr. Riehl’s assessment is, those posters are idiots too. After all he knows the true conservatives like himself, and not only is Beck not but PJM posters don’t a thing either.
Just how self righteous and pompous can one be? And this from the same blogger who postulated that the census worker that was killed in Kentucky was maybe a pedophile and that is what got him killed. What evidence? None that I can ascertain but check for yourself, perhaps I’m missing something. http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/09/was-census-worker-bill-sparkman-a-child-predator.html
And Mr. Riehl has the audacity to be incensed Beck called Obama a racist? I would say Beck has a bit more evidence for his belief than Riehl does when calling a dead man a pedophile. But then I’m not as bright as Mr. Riehl, perhaps he could enlighten me how he is more than the pot calling the kettle black.
JR Dogman (215)
“Unless and until he actively promotes a third party and the movement grows legs, he is not a problem for conservatism or the GOP.”
While I doubt Back has the good sense to realize that a third party never works, I think the vast majority of those listening to him do. In addition, at least 20% of those who regularly watch Beck do so in order to scream at him and blog about how horrible he is while they watch. Anyone who doesn’t make the lefties happy with everything they say will sooner or later be their target. So, let them target Beck and just keep on working, encouraging the newly motivated, and trying to shed the RINOs in favor of those more conservative whenever possible. That’s how to get the big tent back and how to win elections.
With Beck getting people involved and being the focus of the lefties, how can you lose even if he lose it and strip to his undies while singing show tunes one evening? If a leftie mentions it, just grin and say, “Wow, I never watched him so thanks for telling me about him”. Then proceed to ask whether all Ron Paul supporters are as nutty as Beck is. Half the problem the republican party has had is that so many RINOs give a damn what the lefties say about them, and the other half is that the majority if republicans have let the RINOs act like they have the right to rule the rest of us.
Regards
Mr. Riehl is a Marxist-communist-fascist supporter in disguise. His attempts to smear Glen Beck are completely transparent. Beck may be wrong on some minor points but Riehl is a traitor who supports Marxist, communist Obama and pretends not to in order to post his venom on “conservative web sites.
Dan Riehl sounds exactly like Mark Levin when referring to Beck. You can tell, without quesiton, that Dan and Mark are BFF.
Dan – Your (and Marks) comments show clearly that neither of you understand Beck. He is honest and passionate about fixing the problem. If the problem includes the “right”, then they must be taken down as well. If the GOP wasn’t a big part of the problem, then we wouldn’t be here… right now.
I understand your concern. I do. If Beck and Palin team up (the former promoting the latter) on the Libertarian ticket, then Obama wins. But you aren’t directing your concern in the right direction. The “problem” isn’t with Beck or Palin. It’s with the corrupt, fat-cat GOPers sucking from the American teet. Instead of stating that Beck (and moreso Palin) are going to drop a bomb on the country, you should be asking why the GOP isn’t getting on board with cleaning up the mess THEY MADE.
The problem is clearly within the GOP. Either the GOP has to clean up their act or they WILL LOSE ALL POWER FOR GOOD. All they have to do is align with the constitution. Beck has stated so many, many times. Many times. Admit their errors, promise to uphold the constitution and put an iron rod in the gears of “the machine”. Then and ONLY THEN will you have Beck on your side (and Palin becomes irrelivent).
Think people.
Dan Reihl should see the doctor and have his head examined.
Akmost 1800 words? What a waste of 1700 words this was, as your article is severely flawed within the first 100. You say “But in thinking about the man overall as a media figure today, one allegedly aligned with the right”. WRONG!
If you had ever watched Glenn’s show, or listened to him on the radio, you would know it’s not about right or left. It’s about getting back to the principles of our Founding Fathers. Yes, Glenn is conservative. And as he’s said more than once, moving more into liberalism each day. He’s definitely not “on the right”. He’s squarely in the middle. Of the Constitution. Of the Declaration of Independence. Of the Bill of Rights. But most of all, of the values and principles our great Nation was founded on.
So, time for a re-write.
You only have 800 or so words to go.
Oops, not “more into liberalism ever day”.
I meant more into libertarianism every day.
My mistake.
President Obama doesn’t want to the US to be called names, so he tours the world and gravels and apologizes. You don’t want the Left calling us names so you condemn Glenn Beck for speaking out (and maybe making a mistake or two along the way). I see a pattern here … just not a successful one. The name callers will continue to call names forever, unless they change their own dark hearts.
Two facts:
Without the liberal-left MSM the Democrats could not survive in their current form and their would be no Obama. The MSM is public enemy number one. It is the foundation that everything else is built on top of.
The right is not the Republican party. The right needs to figure out for itself what it wants and then either force the Republican elite to agree or find another vehicle. The Republican party has to be a tool of the right and not the right be peons of the Republican party machine.
I think it should be mentioned that if you look at the responders to Rhiel’s attack on Beck, you notice something: many of his supporters are not Beck heads and very thoughtful and reflective. So instead of blind followers, you find very passionate defenders who see Beck’s flaws but know that the real focus of Conservatives should be the Left, not Beck. Go ahead, Dan, join the revolt as a voice who loves more intellectual prowess, but don’t shoot someone working on your side because he is very different from you. Hey, celebrate the differences!
Do we need another wise elite head to tell us that Glenn Beck sometimes goes over the top? Go away Dan Riehl! We have eyes and ears. We know what to accept and what to reject and just compare him to Michael Moore and you can see that he is utterly normal by comparison.
John McCain, Olympia Snowe, et al hurt the right, not Beck. Charismatic figures on the right that strike a chord with the flyover crowd (myself included)are always morbidly fascinating to the fish-bowl insulated DC-NY media. I mean here are people (Palin, Beck)who use multi-syllable words and garner massive followings without having to raid the local homeless shelters and Brotherhood of Widget-Ratcheters Local 545 Union Halls.
In fact this article has infuriated me to the point that I will no longer turn on the top-rated “Dan Wiehl Program” on the telly nor listen to Wiehl Live at Five National Radio Show and I am going to march right back to my bookstore and return his National Bestseller “So You Thought Rhinos Were Extinct?” So there!
So Glenn Beck isn’t a brilliant intellectual. Big whoop. He can say some outrageous things. There are plenty of folks on the left who do the same. (Ken Olbermann, anyone? Chris Matthews?)
Let’s stop looking at ourselves through the eyes of liberals. Glenn Beck has done some tremendous things and really helped shake things up. I refuse to be a conservative who backstabs.
Mr. Wiehl,
I agree with you completely – Obama is no racist; why, alot of his friends are white-folk! His grandmom was a typical white person ,sure, but in a “good” typical white person sorta way, eh? And its ONLY the non-socialist whites whose greed fills a world of need! And that raci…err, preacher Father Pleiger is white – that counts for something. Hellfire, Wiehl, everybody paying attention to what he says and does knows he’s anti-semitic, not racist!
After your wall of words I forgot what it was you were trying to make a point about. Beck fits me. Nuf said!
Has Glenn Beck ever said or pretended to help the Republican right? Should he stick his neck out to help the most spineless weasels? What happened to Sarah Palin, a Republican right? She wasn’t and isn’t the right kind of Right. Who attacked her most viciously besides the deranged leftists? The grandees of Republican rights who were jealous of her, they despised her for not possessing snooty credentials. How about the TeaParties? Had any Republican politicians stood up to protest Obama when he was popular? No, they were hiding. When the TeaParties became a movemet that helped to discredit Obama and the Democrats, the Republicans tried to coopt them.
No, Glen Beck is not good for the Republicans, he never meant to. Sarah Palin is not good for the Republicans, she is much better than them. TeaParties are not good for the Republicans, the Republicans are too spineless.
Who is Dan Riehl and what has he ever done that merits any attention whatsoever? It is becoming very tiresome when all these self imporant slackers who do absolutely nothing write about those who do something. Maybe this population control thing of Dr. Zeke the Freak has some merit.
I far prefer Levin to anyone on the dial, in content and delivery. He has a small failing or two, like occasional pettiness, but this article was all pettiness. I hope that doesn’t say something about him.
Grace O’Malley @ 232
Thanks for the link regarding Reihl and the census worker.
Reihl is unhinged (see his response to those who commented on that piece – “What a bunch of idiots”).
Also, read about Reihl’s controversy with AutoAdmit. Since Reihl’s M.O. is to ‘put every possible option on the table’ or ‘truth until proved wrong’, I say Reihl is an idiot (and I see nothing to prove me wrong).
You just don’t get it.
Stop the Madness!
No more political “pusillanimous” writers on word processors!
At least GB is standing up.
This is a must-read for Dan Riehl and any other divisive-Rightists:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/america-awakes-reflections-on-912-part-ii/
211. Chuck Pelto:
“I’ve been at this too many years to care too much, so, best to just call your mother’s now if you’re looking for a sympathetic ear. — Dan Riehl
My mother has been dead for 36 years. And my mother-in-law died last Christmas. Thank you for bringing that up.”
Wow, that expalins a lot.
244. debbiesm:
“(Ken Olbermann, anyone? Chris Matthews?)”
Clearly you have you finer on the pulse of American commentary. Please, don’t hide it. Share it. The world needs you to help reveal the shallow and lazy argumentation disguising itself as fact and principle promoted by the likes of Ken Olbermann, whoever he is.
28 billslayer:
“Palin is like most women, good for only one thing, and it’s my thing.”
Shame on you. She’s a a patriot and shouldn’t be reduced to your childish boytoy fantasy. Respect her!
What a load of BS.
Sour grapes.
Get a clue.
“But I do have this terrible habit of usually speaking my mind.” and it seems you have a terrible habit of speaking without your mind as well. Beck rules, Riehl drools.
Talked to a friend of mine the other day, a guy who has been in home building for 30+ years, a guy about as far removed (I thought) from the political processes as possible.
He said “Beck’s our only hope”.
He’s right!
TO: All
RE: Dan Riehl on Glenn Beck
It’s interesting. This odd item about Beck from Riehl.
Frequently, Riehl has some insight into various matters. I find that whenever the Blogfather links to him, I follow the link and find myself in Riehl World for a clever observation.
But this Beck business at PJM is really, ‘over the top’ for Riehl.
It’s almost like he is behaving exactly like he accuses Beck of behaving, vis-a-vis ‘Obama is a racist’. In this instance, ‘Beck is a hazard’, when most of the rest of US recognize Beck as not being such. At least not nearly as bad as Riehl would like to have us think.
From what little I’ve seen of Beck, almost all based on article titles at Fox News, and Riehl, mostly what links I’ve followed to his blog from the Blogfather, they’re both pretty good.
So I have to wonder. What was Dan drinking? Or is it REALLY a matter of jealousy? Maybe even both?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[You’re not too drunk if you can lie on the floor without falling off.]
AS FOR YOUR IDEA OF CENTER RIGHT, WE ARE THROUGH W/THAT. WE HAD THAT W/GWB AND IT WAS A DISASTER. IF YOU THINK THAT WE WANT TO START THIS ALL OVER AGAIN, YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN. IF YOU CAN REALLY SAY THAT YOU DON’T THINK OBAMA AND HIS WIFE ARE NOT RACIST, YOU MUST BE DRINKING THE COOLAID AS WELL. HOW MANY OF THEIR STATEMENTS DO YOU NEED TO READ BEFORE FIGURING IT OUT. THE LEFT IS BEREFT OF IDEAS AND ALWAYS STOOP TO NAME CALLING. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE ABOUT. HOWEVER, TRUE STATEMENTS ARE NOT NAME CALLING. CHECK OUT THE BELLE’S STATEMENT FM. PRINCETON NOT TO MENTION SEVERAL OF THE “ONE’S” STATEMENTS. NO MORE NEOCON IDEAS TO HELP US LOSE! I’M NOT A REPUBLICAN BUT A CONSTITUTIONAL TRADITIONALIST. YOU DIDN’T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION IN YOUR COLUMN, SO I’M ASSUMING THAT YOU HAVEN’T READ IT OR DON’T MUCH CARE FOR IT. BECK IS FIRST AND FOREMOST A CONSTITUTIONALIST. HE HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY AMERICANS BUYING BOOKS ON IT AND RE-LEARNING OR LEARNING ABOUT IT FOR THE FIRST TIME. KUDOS TO HIM FOR ALL HE HAS DONE. WE’RE SICK AND TIRED OF THE OLD PAP FM. REPUBLICANS INCLUDING YOURS.
THANKS FOR THE EAR! I FEEL BETTER ALREADY
My problem with Mr. Riehl et al is that he believes that people who live outside the beltway read/listen/hear/watch ONLY one voice and ergo, they blindly follow that person off the cliff like lemmings. If you listen to Rush, horrors, you lock step march to his orders. If you read/listen/watch Glenn Beck, you are a moron waiting to be hatched.
I laughed at his assumption that the 912 march on DC had nothing to do with the 912 movement. Well, duh! Yes, the 912ers are still meeting weekly or monthly or bimonthly (like my group of 350 does). And we have no agenda other than meeting and getting a clue. Suddenly, some of us are going to city council meetings. Some of us are going to school board meetings. Some of us are on line researching the latest state and federal bills. And when we comvene, we do not assume that the members of our group are GOP or pro-life or anti-gay. We assume the members of our group are adults, and engaged, and care about the future. We don’t even assume that we compose a voting block. We do assume that our members want information.
Glenn Beck provides lots and lots of opportunities to learn. And just like Mrs. Palin, being a citizen isn’t enough for Mr. Riehl. We have to jump onto HIS band wagon. We have to conform to HIS point of view.
I own Mark Levins book. I own the Federalist Papers. I own Glenn Becks books (some, not all). I also own a Bible. I also own Dan Browns books. I also own and hand out 1984 and Animal Farm.
So having Glenn Beck in my line up only makes me better. All hail Glenn Beck. All hail the thinking person. Down with the thought police. Down with Riehls narrow, prissy, anal analysis.
Throw him under the bus! You been taking personal lessions from Obama?
Typical – out of touch – elitist.
These “evaluations” look like sour grapes and jealousy to me. Beck was right about his racism remark. Obama calling those cops stupid just because they arrested one of his black liberal chums was a racist action.
Riehl left out the context of when and why Beck had the guts to say it–and he said what the VAST MAJORITY of Americans also thought, when Obama said it. And we still think it.
Rev. Wright: RACIST. Van Jones: RACIST. Eric Holder: RACIST. All confirmed by their own words and actions.
You’re known by the company you keep–in BHO’s case, that would be black racists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-USA types, and radicals.
if John McCain sat in a white separatist church for 20 years, we’d call him a racist too.
Riehl is caving to political correctness, IN ADVANCE. He’s “worried” that someone might call him a racist or conspiracy-nut because “he’s a conservative just like Beck.” What an intellectual coward, and what a disingenuous way to go about caving in to the possibility of future “guilt by association” criticism.
This is exactly the kind of non-confrontational, gutless, spineless, pseudo-intellectual fake conservativism that Beck and growing legions of conservatives are growing sick of.
Well-played, Riehl. Grow a set, or as the new movie Zombieland says, “Nut up or Shut up.”
Center-Right?
Does that mean your head is up your butt, but pushing against the right side of your colin????
Go join team McCain with his disrespect for ordinary, real conservatives. Maybe you will get some invites to the Roman Polanski welcome-home luncheon now.
Pseudo-conservatives are the death of us.
This article contains crappy advice. Just like the advice to the right to “reach out to the left and be a mushy McCain “Conservative.”
Sorry, no sale. Attack Beck if he reports lies, but don’t tell us folks on the right to ease up or quiet down or who we should or shouldn’t listen to. Conservative vision is finally re-emerging. Keep it going!!!
Well, this kind of blew up didn’t it?
Again, I am not the world’s #1 Beck supporter, but the more I stew on this article that more I feel the exact opposite of Dan’s intended message. I come here to praise Beck, not to plan his demise.
Well, ok, not to “praise” him… something less than that. But Reihl, and Levin, unfortunately, remind me of the Athenians as described by Thucydides in “History of the Pelopponesian War”. So busy was the Athenian nation state at tearing at it’s own guts that it never was able to mount a coherent defense against Sparta.
So to do Levin and Reihl miss the point as they chose to focus any energy on the likes of Beck, who resonates with a large part of the base, when they should be applauding that he reaches a group that Levin (much less Reihl) can reach.
Beck may be the jester in the King’s court, but how silly to demand that the jester act kingly.
It’s all, at most, 2 degrees of seperation… I like Beck more than Limbaugh, Levin more than Beck, and groan in existential despair whenever I hear Beck interview Ron Paul.
Now, Ron Paul… there is a danger to the long term conservative movement. For all intents and purposes Ron Paul is the Captain America of the Republican party…. frozen in ice at the 1936 Republican National Convention and thawed and let loose on modern America oblivious of the tine of modern race relations, the perils of isolationist diplomacy, and a fairly astute knowledge of the roots of the modern banking system (because he was there) and a firm and unshakable faith in his interpretation of the Constitution.
I here Levin only make passing blows at Ron Paul, but if anything, the troubles Levin may have with Beck have a root in Becks steady drift into Pauliac politics.
Well, Dan, in case your article was secretely intended to fathom Beck’s approval rate, you sure got an earful about that.
By the way, I just read that Beck’s new book sells like hell – it’s gone way, way over what are the currrent bestsellers.
Paul knows ALOT about the constitution and constitutional theory-but he goes into cuckoo-land when he tries to apply it, and he misses the mark on some key things. That is my opinion and I have heard Beck express it as well.
That being said, the debate in the US is between socialists and conservatives. The “compromise” ends up being some form of socialism.
Imagine if the political debate was instead between conservatives and libertarians. We would never end up in Ron Paul-land, but for darn sure we would never end up with an Obamassiah and socialized medicine and nationalized banks and car companies and cap’n'trade.
Say what you want about Beck. I just wish we had about 75 Senators that thought and acted just like him!
Oh, Mr. Riehl, thank you so much for being so smart. I am just a simple-minded conservative and had no idea someone like Glenn Beck, who voices opinions which I agree with could be so damaging to the conservative movement. I certainly would not want self-styled elite media acolytes to think I am an unsophisticated boob.
By the way, who the hell are you, anyway? I have never heard of you. What have you done for your country lately? You apparently believe we are all a bunch of simpletons unable to think for ourselves. That is not surprising coming from a deluded little elitist twerp like yourself! (Hey, you put yourself out there with your pinheaded perspective, so you should appreciate an honest appraisal of your character and opinions. Learn from it.)
Get out of the way.
Best Regards
Kudos to Anti_Elitist.
As for the author of this article, why do you care if the left calls you a racist? They’ve been doing so for so long that it has lost all meaning. Are you afraid you may miss a beltway cocktail party?
Once again it must be said; do not mock those who are trying to restore the foundations of this country. Many individuals and groups are working hard for the first time in their lives, trying to clear away the debris from America’s foundations and some are actually beginning to build upon them, restoring the faith of our fathers. Beck is just one of many.
We are all as diverse as snowflakes and no two of us says or does exactly the same thing the same way. God made it so. Accept the differences if the work is being done.
Those who mock and criticize while standing on the sidelines will be marginalized, frustrated and cut off from the rewards of this great work, you’ll have found yourself fighting against the Lord of Heaven. You are a guaranteed loser.
“I’ve no desire to alienate some of my many friends on the right currently embracing Beck.”
What you desire to do is APPEASE THE LEFT!
It’s the Mark of a RINO.
Glenn Beck is what, an egomaniacle boob? So what? The President of the United States is an Egomaniacle Moron. Who cares?
I’ll not soon forget the Radosh headline about the “Conservative Debate” between David Horowitz and David Frum on who was more important, Beck or Limbaugh.
Now, David Horowitz, who is a neocon, probably the original neocon (for those of you who don’t know what a neocon is, it’s code for “Former Leftist Jew who went to the dark side”)… so Horowitz as one side of a Conservative Arguement I get.
But David Frum? David the Neo-Fascist RINO Frum? David Frum who called Sarah Palin a Disaster when she was the only thing in the McCain campaign that got any traction?
Both you and Radosh need to seriously get a clue as who the enemy is.
If Glenn Beck is full of it, he’ll burn out within a year. If he has substance, he’ll continue to annoy both Democrat Fascists and RINO Fascists alike…
If, in 1800 words, you can’t offer any more support for your position than some sniffing and grumbling that smells of elitism and jealousy, you have none. As with the country-club Republicans’ petty sniping at Palin, your distaste for Beck says more about you, than it does about Beck.
Please tell us what you have done lately to advance the cause of freedom, during the most aggressive onslaught against it in decades.
If you are too sophisticated to row, at least stop drilling holes in the boat.
obama is in fact a racist. All you have to do is read his books and study the people he surrounds himself with. This regime must be stopped or prepare ourselves to live under a dictatorship.
NEVER GIVE UP NEVER GIVE IN NEVER AGAIN!
Dan,
I concur. I used to watch Beck when he was on CNN. Since he came to Fox, he seems to have embraced a deliberately over-the-top manner (to put it charitably) – such as calling President Obama a racist, etc. What seems to drive Beck is not principle but ratings – he seems to care mostly about saying outlandish things that will draw crowds, and that’s about it.
If you want to pick an intellectual leader of the conservative punditocracy , there’s really no one but Charles Krauthammer. There’s a reason the MSM never picks on him, too – he’s too smart, too intellectual, never given to exaggeration or ad hominem attacks, too logical, too willing to engage in reasoned debate. I only wish that Beck shared some of these qualities.
Sounds like sour grapes to me-Glen Beck just had 17,000 at a rally in Washington state. You on the other hand are completly unknown. Beck has a nationwide radio and TV show. You have what???? Beck has several books in print. You have a small-time column. BIG WHOOOP!! Get a life and stop whining girly boy RINO . Grow a pair and SHUT THE HECK UP!
Yo loser- read this and weep, Where is your best seller Riehl….FLASH: GLENN BECK ‘ARGUING WITH IDIOTS’ TOPS BESTSELLER LIST WITH 120,888 SCANNED, PASSES KENNEDY 68,904. MACKENZIE PHILLIPS MEDIA BLITZ, SELLS 19,389 COPIES… MORE… P this is from Drudge-a real reporter
Projection. Just because some of you would sell your grandmothers for ratings (or hits on a PJM column), doesn’t mean we all would. Obama is a racist. He said in his book, and read it on his audiobook “The white man’s greed runs a world in need”. He took the side of race-baiting Gates, he is using his socialist agenda as a substitute for reparations, and he threw grannie under the bus.
Beck is just not one of the conservatives who think that being civil on the way to the boiling pot is the best way to go.
I read the article twice and I still don’t understand why the author dislikes Beck. He talks about the damage he could do, but doesn’t talk about how, or why. He talks about things that Beck has been involved with, that I have never heard him try to take credit for, and says he isn’t responsible for them.
Beck does the unforgivable and believes in the US Constitution’s literal interpretation. This premise makes a person take some positions that seem “radical” in modern times. It is those with a timid and false morality that object to the US Government adhering to the principals that founded it.
A constitution is something with an actual, and literal rather than ideal existence. A constitution can be referred to section by section and article by article. Where a specific article cannot be pointed to regarding a specific issue in a constitution, there is none.
The only legitimate power a government can have is through the consent of the governed. In the US’s case, that consent is in written form as the US Constitution. When a government, a congressman, a judge or a president acts with power not ceded to them by the constitution, it is a usurpation, an act of despotism, a tyranny and an inherent evil.
The farther the US gets from its founding principals, the weaker the country and less secure the individual rights that have separated the US from lesser countries since its founding. The only protection the people of the United States have against despotism is the literal and absolute implementation of the Constitution of the United States, regardless of the consequences.
Is the First Ammendment’s protection against the Congress establishing a national religion worth not having federal funding of religious institutions? Yes.
Is the First Ammendment’s protection of religious expression, worth some people being offended by the mention of Jesus, Allah, Buddha or Zoroaster at a highschool graduation? Definitely yes.
Is the First Amendment’s protection against government’s censors worth the abuse by pornographers and racists? Absolutely.
Is the Second Amendment’s protections of all other individual liberties worth the thousands murdered every year? Without question, yes.
Is the protection of state and individual rights through the narrow and limited interpretation of the Commerce Clause worth not having federally funded national healthcare, education, pollution controls and drunk driving laws? Resoundingly yes.
Is the preservation of the principal of Federalism worth not allowing the Federal Government to withold highway funds from states that won’t change their laws in ways the Constitution specifically restricts the Federal Government? Certainly so.
The cost of not strictly addhering to the US Constitution as written on the page is economic ruin, governmental tyranny and disintegration of the Union. What was once the greatest military and economic power in the world will become another third rate dictatorship yearning for status lost.
The 10,000 year history of human government is a history of totalitarianism, despotism, opression and tyranny. The USA is an extreme anomoly, a freak circumnstance where individual liberty is prized above the false security of a nanny state. This freak occurance has existed less than 300 years, it would be expected that it would fade into the normalcy of opression and tyranny. It is utterly foolish to think this cannot happen.
If we value the liberty that we have had and wish it to be handed down another generation, difficult choices have to be made very soon by ordinary people. The outcome of those decisions made today will shape the lives of your great grandchildren.
What is “center right” and what’s so great about it? That sounds like a beltway buzzword to me.
Beck talks about the Constitution and about Liberty. Things you folks in the beltway seem to have forgotten about.
Beck didn’t do anything about Van Jones? Just publicized a bunch of facts that were already floating around out there? Isn’t that what research is? Finding facts, organizing them and presenting them in a cohesive fashion.
Maybe you’re right. Maybe he’s a danger to the center-right, accustomed to the role of Democrat-lite as you are.
He’s no danger to me or to the part of the country that exists outside of the beltway though. The democrats and demolites are the ones who are dangerous to the rest of us.
Maybe you folks on the center-right need to take a stand for freedom and the constitution or else get out of the way!
Whoa!
It sounds like you threw a cherry bomb into the monkey house at 3am (I’m one of the screechers, see above).
I think this response to your piece is VERY interesting. It certainly got noticed, didn’t it?
Instead of losing your cool at the commentary, calm down, let the storm pass, then analyse what actually happened. Don’t dismiss it as “the biggest gathering of idiots since the Democratic Convention.” I doubt THAT.
Read the posts and look for patterns: Somehow, you hit some very hot buttons. I don’t think this was just an Idiot Storm that somehow settled on you: some Bad Moon rising. You have a bug up over Beck; who cares? It was more than that. You initiated this; you did something here. What did you say, or how did you say it, that set off this response?
Don’t waste a very real opportunity for insight in angry dismissal of the commentary. Ask Levin what he thinks; I don’t think he would say, “Get off the phone you big dope!” to this commentary. He’d figure it out.
I’ve had my head handed to me a few times after commenting on pieces. SOMETIMES I’ve been the problem. After you calm down, a lot can be learned.
(Minor point: Do you “moderate” your own comments? If so, you should be commended for the integrity to print this response in full.)
Who the #%$*&! is Dan Reihl?
Beck uses his pulpit faithfully to extol the Constitution and the great history of the USA, and to expose threats to it. He wastes not a minute of his daily hour with anything else.
Riehl uses his pulpit to throw a rock at Beck, and to tell us all how we’ll be really really sorry some day if the MSM doesn’t like us…
Dude…you Riehl-ly don’t get it…
TO: All
RE: Heh
Looks like the only one getting ‘buried’ around here is Dan.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Some people die at twenty five and aren't buried until they are seventy five. -- Benjamin Franklin]
At this moment, there are 283 comments on this post. Has anyone thought that maybe PJM allows this bilge to generate massive page views to generate more ad $$$$’s.
Here’s a suggestion: when this crap appears, conservatives should keep silent. Revenues will drop. Is PJm morphing into a mainstream media outlet? Let’s call it an opinion boycott.
TG
Repeat after me – “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Just as I wished many of our conservative media pundits would simply stop sniping at Sarah Palin, so too do I wish they would quit the sniping at each other. Let’s not confuse style preferences with substance. There are many ways to get the truth out and have it repeated in different ways, and if Beck had said anything that wasn’t truthful, I am sure we would never hear the end of it. I like Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Levin, and Hewitt enormously. I like them all, but unfortunately these are the only ones I have time to listen to on the radio regularly. But I don’t like it when Savage and Levin insult other conservative talk shows hosts. Then again it would have been nice if the others could have put aside their personal differences to support Savage in his fight with the British government. We are all in this together and attacking each other is very counterproductive.
These guys have a deep-seated hatred for black people and black culture.
Fox News’ Glenn Beck has heavily promoted the writings of far-right activist W. Cleon Skousen, even making Skousen’s book, The 5000 Year Leap, a central part of his 9-12 Project. Skousen is the author of several controversial works, including The Making of America: The Substance and Meaning of the Constitution, which presented as “the story of slavery in America” a passage from a book that attacked abolitionists for delaying emancipation; cast slave owners as “the worst victims of the system”; claimed white schoolchildren “were likely to envy the freedom of their colored playmates”; and claimed that “[s]lavery did not make white labor unrespectable, but merely inefficient,” because “the slave had a deliberateness of motion which no amount of supervision could quicken.” (MM)
Hmmm, for whatever reason, the ability of the commenters to discuss things more rationally, rather than less, decreased as this thread moved on. Many of you and Glenn may be more about venting, than getting things done, politics being the art of the possible, and all that.
But the hell with the possible; lets talk about what drives us nuts; it’s more fun.
TO: Dwight
RE: Consider This….
Sometimes it is pleasant even to act like a fool. — Cicero
Maybe they’re just blowing off steam.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Does a steam-roller really roll steam?]
Levin and Reihl are zionist servants, not real Americans like Beck. Jealous much. Get ready for $300/barrel oil so the synagogue-set can breathe easy on our tax money.
One last thing, I do agree that there are jealousies amongst the talk show hosts and commentators out there. Their world is dog eat dog.
They will just have to get over it and try not to step on each others toes if possible.
We the citizens are the winners here. The more we stand up for the truth the better off we will be.
So don’t shut up. Just keep standing up. Do get tired or weak. Learn how refresh and get back in the game. We have already found gold in a dry hole so keep digging.
Hate the lies, love the truth and we win.
Beck is Bush who was not
Send them a beer and we all will live much better without these traitors
many people consider Glen Beck a Judas Goat. On some issues he is spot on. For example, on ACORN and the scams at Goldman Sachs. On the other hand he attacked FEMA camps, and 9-11 truth,and supported banker bailouts. This inconsistency leads me to wonder about the man.
Glenn Beck is a very unusual talk show host, and I am unable to figure him out. Many people think he is a liberal plant based on some of the positions he has taken. Criticism of Obama can never go to far in my opinion this is a unamerican undocumented alien posing as a true President, no proof yet. Deductive logic would tell you if he has sealed all his personal records; school, passports, social files, birth certificate he is a fraud period. So far Obama or whatever his name is has spent 1.4 million American pesos also called dollars fighting the truth.
enough said.
Dan, You cannot be serious. Are you out of your mind. You have just dissed the greatest thing that has happened to the conservative cause. (Of course other than Sarah Palin.) Go Beck-Go Sarah!!!
Discerning people know beck’s fanning the flames of hatred in this country is because Murdoch enables it and right now they can profit from it.
Nothing more.
Amazing to watch the legions who follow this clown as his very message continues to destroy their lives.
The best way to control the opposition is to lead it” – Lenin (think Glenn Beck}
Glen Beck is a valuable asset to the conservative movement as is Sarah Palin. Both ably point out the great deficiencies in the Republican party. First, primarily being not much different than the Democratic party. Both Beck and Palin will spearhead the retaking of our Party. Power to them both.
What a bunch of nothing!
Thanks for WASTING MY TIME.
And, yes, genius, the camps are real.
‘Reporters’ are useless crap these day…
Haha!
Dan-Rhiel,you-wuss.Maybe-we’ll-let-you-stick-around-in-the-second-American-Revolution.You-better-make-your-choice-now,you-wuss.
Dan Riehl, you are wrong and have no clue why.
293. The pictures of the concentration camps were from North Korea. Concerning 9/11, there is no evidence that the cause of the attack was anything but hijacked airliners flown by Islamic terrorists. You could question whether or not the government looked the other way, but Popular Mechanics debunked the demolition myth.
Sorry but I still think the propaganda spewing news character in the movie “V” was modeled after Glenn Beck. True some of the stuff he says makes sense but some of the other stuff is so slanted and without any actual pulse reading or concern of the American public that I take what he says with a 55 gallon drum full of salt. He annoys me more than entertains me and pisses me off on many counts and his proven fabricated tear jerking scenes where he seems so concerned about people just makes me want to barf. I now just turn it off if I accidentally channel surf to him. He’s only in it for the ratings and the money and I doubt if he cares a bit about anyone or anything besides himself and his opinion. He is a narcissist turd working for the same. My opinion.
Dan Riehl,
“I Come Not to Praise Glenn Beck, But to Bury Him”
While you’re at it please throw a little dirt on top the GOP. They’re dead too.
I don’t visit your blog anymore but had a good time while I was there. And thanks for that.
I disagree with you on most everything but you nailed this one.
You really need to drop the emphasis and focus of the right and left. There is a puppeteer controling the whole show from the middle while people endlessly squabble over right and left. Look to the center, behind the big show. Glen Beck is just a media propaganda shill. Look deeper.
Well Dan, you now see that the post-neocon Republican Party demands a slavish cult loyalty from those who seek its blessing and lapel pin, and criticism of its stars will be met with vicious mis-characterization and name calling.
And, why would you offer any advice to the people who are determined to destroy this planet in the name of a warmongering, blue-eyed Jesus and zero taxes on war profits?
Someday when the Earth is a burned out cinder spinning dead in space, perhaps some alien with a sense of irony will (for the benefit of intergalactic archaeologists/historians) stop and plant a sign that explains the origin of the horror that transpired, and it will read “GEORGE W. BUSH”.
#285 summarized it all
(O’Reilly IS Mr. Opportunism).
Did he dare say that Obama is a racist ?
What a pity !!! A man who goes to “church” for TWENTY YEARS in a “church” in which the only sermon is apartheid and black supremacism cannot be called a racist ? Why ? Where are we, in Soviet Union ? Aren’t we allowed any longer to tell the truth if it is inconvenient to the New York Times ?
To say nothing about the praise for Farrakant…the pompous Gates and his peudo-support for the thugs at Acorn.
So Beck said Obama is a racist…long over due.
The history of utopian/socialist/marxist polemic of the nineteenth century is full of essentually worthless attacks on their
compatriots as though they were their enemies. Marx and Engels wasted a lot of time focusing on knit-picking their contemporary intellectuals rather than their true enemies…the oppressive aristocracies in Europe.
Beck is a lively,funny, expressive, intelligent advocate for our long- overlooked and beloved constitution.
I can understand Dan’s resentment of Becks style…
As for Levin the “Great One” He has adopted Bob Grant’s schtick, “Get off my phone” and goes into a rant and an attack on a caller, which in many cases is uncalled for…a quality which next to Beck’s limitations leaves much to be desired.
it is human to be jealous of the talents we don’t have.
A common source of conflict between Odd Couples (see the Odd Couple Syndrome by Selwyn Mills)
Dan, like Levin are left/brain intellectuals who are admittedly brilliant but lack the common touch and a sense of humor which connects with an audience who can understand our predicament on a deeper level.
Don’t be dismayed we all have our special qualities and should appreciate the ones in others we don’t have.
The only problem with Glenn Beck is that he pulls his punches. Obama is controlled by the Fed, the Israeli’s and the CFR and Bilderberg Group. Beck knows this and it is no mystery that the whole of Congress and the whole of the Administration are country hating traitors who hate the limitations on government set forth in the Constitution and hate the hard work, ingenuity and independence of the American people. They hate us. They despise us. We have stuff and they want it….all of it….NOW!! Obama’s clear fault is that he is so out of touch that he cannot see that the people are dismayed at his policies. The American people (like me) want to like him but they can’t because (despite the fact that he is well dressed and well spoken) they know he is in their house to steal all of their stuff and to take all of their personal liberty. Beck sees this; he should not hold back. He needs to galvanize the people. We want this. Glenn….give us more….please!!!
Beck is controlled dissent from the banksters (banker + gangster) to prevent people from uniting behind someone who gives real conspiracies some heft.
Beck is insightful, creative, and on the right side. Why the attacs? Let’s not turn conservatism into a circular fire squad like the guys on the left. So he’s laid some eggs now and then, so what? I think he’s sincere and doing the best he can.
What is the purpose of this ad hominem screed? It reads like an editorial assignment: Write a column critical of Glenn Beck. So the author did his assignment, and so what? Beck is ultimately hurting the Right? To help mobilize as many as one million conservatives to travel to Washington, D.C., and voice their protests is hurting the Right? I’m left wondering why this piece was even written.
289. Chuck Pelto:
“Does a steam-roller really roll steam?”
Ah, the Mensa mind at work once again. Hey, here’s another one . . . Dog is God spelled backwards . . . oooooh, trippy. Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmm *wink*
Tell me, what’s it like to go through life with no sense of irony or humor? To spend your days typing brackets and your nights in community meetings about landfills? Tell me about the rich life of today’s conservative.
Beck is digging up Barry’s and he cronies dirt. I would love to work for Beck. Someone should make a reality show about our Government’s misdoings and miscreants so EVERYONE will watch and get a clue. My name is Donald Duck and I VOTED for BHO according to ACORN…pretty sure…just cancelled out my real vote
All you need to consider what Lenin said “”The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” This doesn’t just apply to those in the media. These people controlling the media, leading the culture warm etc. got their usually on their accord and should never be underestimated. They are highly intelligent and collude amongst themselves and always seem to adopt a very well thought out long term strategy. Keep all of this in mind whenever opponenents not only suddenly appear on the scene but owe their very existance to this same cabal that they are supposed to be fighting against. I think Beck is personally sincere, but that is not relevant really. He is simply a tool to control the opposition. A true leader will arise from total obscurity and a good test is to see the level of condemation against him or her. They will emerge from a third-way, not through the repressive Republican-Democrat paradigm.
Glen Beck is for the bail outs, the patriot act, unconstitutional wars and everything else that fake conservatives want. Glen beck had nothing to do with the tea parties as The RON PAUL REVOLUTION started that movement. True conservatives know that we don’t use our military unless it is of national security and the Iraqui and Afghanistani people are of no threat to America. Wake up and realise who the real enemies of our Republic are before it’s too late.
I’m tired of everyone on the right (besides Beck) covering for republicans who have dumped all over the constitution and everything conservatives stand for. The spending, the corruption, the lies, and stepping on our rights. I’m not willing to work to fight the Democrats only to have another GW take office and continue Obama’s continuation of the Bush administration.
You show me another host who stands up against the GOP just as they would Democrats and I’ll start listening to that person instead of Beck. It’s not out there though.
If Glen Beck and Sarah Palin are the leaders of your movement, you guys are in big trouble. Both are seen pretty much as a joke. Lightweight in intellect, playing hard and fast with the truth, then spinning to cover their assess. Please people, we can do better than that. It’s as if the Democrats were picking these people to represent the Republicans.
Beck is a hack. Palin will never, ever, ever be president.
You guys should get a grip, then get serious. You all whine about Obama, then do everything you can to get him re-elected. Seems counter-productive to me. It’s about time you let the adults take over and distance yourselves from the idiot children. Didn’t W do enough damage to the party already?
And tell Cheney to shut up and disappear while you are at it. He just reminds everyone how bad the Republicans screwed up. Charles Manson would cause less damage. And how about Vitter, Sanford, Ensign, etc etc. What the hell happened to this party anyhow?
You can blame the media, Democrats, Obama, and the boogy man all you want. When you are done, look in the mirror, or at Fox News. Between Rush the repulsive, Hannity the hatemonger, and Greta Von Superugly preaching to the choir, the right has moved so far out of the mainstream they are becoming exposed to what they really are. Part of the problem, not part of the solution. I realize you guys just want to hear what you want to hear, but its not helping. Wake up already!! No one else is ever going to take you guys seriously unless you distance yourselves from the bafoons.
So you removed my posts? Continue pajama with the illusion…………….
That Glenn Beck, and all other conservative leaders, have been cast as villains “manufacturing” resistance to “progressive” Democrat policies from Washington by the legacy media, and that the left would use Beck and others as “boogie men” to demonize the modern conservative movement itself… all that was a given. If you hadn’t expected this, you don’t understand leftist politics (actually, you don’t understand modern politics, per se, for that matter).
The left fears popular movements they do not control, period. The left has and always will use characterchures and lies to delude the public that there is no “rational” opposition to their program. This has been exemplified by left-wing revolutionary movements the world over. Lenin, Mao, Castro, all knew they would have to manipulate the historical, cultural, political moment. Socialists have understood better than anyone how to use divisions in society against itself, because they understand they will always be a marginal/underground force. Think~ if Hugo Chavez’s vaunted revolution is so strong, why does he need to silence opposition media? Seems he’d be better served keeping the idiot “bourgeois” around as a foil, wouldn’t it? You’d think, by the tone of this article, that the legacy media and their allies in the Democratic Party would be just as overjoyed to have “brainless” Glenn Beck to boost their fortunes. Make no mistake; they fear Beck to the core! The White House, and now, the New York Times monitor every broadcast. Beck has gone off script, he is resisting well, and he pulls back the curtain to reveal tens of millions of Americans standing behind him. This is a bonafide left-wing nightmare; they need the American people oblivious, frustrated and confused. The Bolsheviks would capitalize on a destabilized Russia with, initially, little more than ten percent of organized political participation in Russia.
Community organizers???
Actually, Lenin called them professional cadre, but they held résumés eerily similar to that of the current occupant of the Oval Office. Duplicity, lies and deception were their stock-in-trade… read about Liu Shao Chi’s training in Moscow (today, I believe he’d be better off in Chicago, or New Orleans, or Trenton, or New York City, perhaps Sacramento). The Democrat Party of the US (our socialist party) well understands the importance of polemical, ruthless tactics, and has used them since the turn of the last century. Liberals, progressives (the most common pseudonyms for socialists in the US) have never polled much above thirty percent of the total populace. Ordered, effective public decent against them is simply not an option. You’ve contemplated the hideous treatment of Sarah Palin? Perhaps, then, you also recall how Ronald Reagan was styled a “war mongering mad man” by the press and Democrat Party (before he won the 1980 presidential election in a landslide, that is). No, if we collectively reflect on the lingering impression of Herbert Hoover bestowed us in media, only then do we begin to realize how far back these tactics go.
All “reactions” (the left wing technical term for conservativism) to socialism are evil… conservativism is an historical anachronism, one that MUST give way, voluntarily or by force, to the “inevitable” march of progress (socialism/revolution). There you go, Cliff Notes for Michael Moore’s recent movie… now you don’t have to see it, none of us do. “All reactionaries must be liquidated!”
Yeah, these guys play for all the marbles.
Glenn Beck is not the reason why so many Americans have awakened to the threat the left poses to this nations future. The conservative movement and its changing, evolving rejoinder to socialism in America has a proud and organic history, and is present and accounted for, given the current agenda in Washington, with or without Beck. Beck will be the first to say this, and he often does on radio and television. This article says exactly the same thing, that the Tea Party movement was well underway before the 9/12 Project proposed by Beck, and will continue on if Beck should step (or get pushed!) aside.
But why begrudge Beck’s leadership? The left would be trashing Tea Party activists either way, and they have already done so without reliance on Beck, saying about the movement what they say about any leader who dares stand in the way of their revolution. Terrorists! Nazis! Evilmongers! (Com’on Harry, for real? Besides childish, you sound like a nerd). The only argument this article seems to offer in its defense is to essentially agree with the left’s characterchure of Beck, and it pins this mostly on two anecdotal pronouncements Beck has made in the many passionate monologues he’s delivered on air. Even Ronald Reagan stuck his foot in his mouth a time or two. If Beck, a radio and television personality, waxes ludicrous even a hundredth as often as Joe Biden, our current Vice President (you know, the guy a heartbeat away from being presidency), perhaps I’ll trouble myself enough to be concerned.
It’s fitting the article mentions Palin the way it does, because these two advocates, Beck and Palin, are doing something few others in the conservative movement has had the vision or courage to do…
…they are fighting back, LOUDLY! Without apology or reservation.
Beck comes off a bit too “populist” at times for my taste, but he holds no office, makes no pretense of journalistic credentials… and he is, if serious about his work, an entertainer. But Beck does have the valor to identify the threat we face by its proper, historical and philosophical name, socialism (also, he’s not half bad an educator on the subject, given he has no academy training in any related field). What other significant public figure on the right has done this as unabashedly and as comprehensively as he? I assure you, if Beck is alone, it is not because he is the only one in the movement who believes as he does. Beck has said, “I don’t care if you disagree with me, just don’t hide in the shadows… make the damn argument!”
Failure to call out this political movement, by name, which is so foreign to the American Constitution and over two hundred years of celebrated political heritage, in public, in any meaningful way, has been the single greatest tactical error of the conservative movement in this country. Americans are about as unawares to the history and consequences of socialism in the world as any advanced people can be, and for all her manifest greatness and wisdom, that is ashamed. That this has been because America was THE “un-socialist” nation is a perception we can no longer afford. We’ve allowed, what is among the most retched governing ideologies of the last hundred years, responsible for countless untold suffering and repression, comport itself in this country under the euphemism of “progressivism.” What does that mean? Progress? Well, sure… I’m for that… oh, while I’m at it, I might as well be for “hope” and “change” too!
There is no going back now; the horse has left the barn. Policies like those proposed by the current administration will here after be acknowledged for what they are, and the left knows it. Real leaders don’t fear using the “S” word anymore. Conservative giants will teach by examples, calling our attention to the ruined civilizations, formerly great nations throughout the west now broken under socialism. The serial droning these days (no, seriously, I mean genuine despair) by the likes of Paul Krugman, Frank Rich, and E. J. Dionne about the “radicalism” of the right in this country should give all conservatives encouragement. We are hitting a nerve! This development, as much as it is a recent one — all consideration for the 9/12 Project aside — DOES appreciably owe itself to the contributions of Glenn Beck.
Well done my faithful servant… well done.
I get tired of the constant Beck-oversell, Beck-over promote, Beck-self promote. If you listen to the radio show, you don’t need the TV show and you don’t need the book. Learned that with Limbaugh, learned that this Savage, learned that with O’Riely (the leprechaun). Too many times he has cried woof about tuning in for something on the TV show and its just a rehash…. blah, blah, blah. He excells at self promotion and pointless self-hype.
Most pundits are entertainers first and foremost. Some take themselves and their constructed personas seriously. Believe their own hype, the myths that they’ve created for themselves and have been created around them. I’m sure some are self aware and embrace the joke for personal gain, others are oblivious to it but enjoy the double edged good things that being laughed at but being famous bring. Other people actively avoid it and minimise it. This happens to hollywood stars, wrestlers, pundits and politicians.
Beck was alright in my book until I saw this tool promote fear and paranoia over flu shots and vaccines. And clearly he is one of the conservative simpletons who think a lack of belief in God is why this country is going to rot. [I wonder how he reacted when Reverend Falwell blamed 9-11 on the homosexuals and lesbians]
And Dan, I was with you up until you became noxiously flabbergasted that anyone dare have the audacity to call Obama a racist. Your excuse? Obama has white friends! I am surprised that you, who can avoid getting caught on a few details and see the bigger picture with respect to Beck, are not as equally astute on this issue. Well, in politics there are actions which speak louder than the damage control done later in front of the media, when Obama claims this or that racist was “not the man he knew” etc, and it’s obviously polically expedient for Obama to have white “pals” in a country in which he *must have at least some white folks to vote for him, and if they are politicians and community organizers, and racist white college professors that pretend to be “anti racist” but the likes of which also hate white folks in particular and make their entire living by race-baiting (Read Ayer’s book Prairie Fire, the entire introduction is race-baiting in order to promote communism amongst “people of color” Oh and Yes! One can be racist against their own race! It’s called “lateral racism” Just ask the Left, they invented the term! Obama’s racist black friends that blame “typical white people” for “creating hiv to kill black folks” and alligning themselves with Louis-”white people aren’t even human”-Farrakhan (Yes, most of us remember Jeremiah Wright, even if you, Dan, for some reason, don’t. Wright and his church of which Obama attended for 20 years awarded Farakhan a lifetime achievement award) his other pals blaming “*white environmentalists” for maliciously and deliberately poisoning *black folks, and blaming America for 9-11, making speeches the very day after “standing with” their “[people of color] brothers,–the Arabs” Van Jones, Obama’s longtime political pal and senior advisor, Valerie Jarret, handpicked that guy. It’s on videotape, Jarret states: “We’ve been watching you (Mr. Jones) for a long time, and we are very impressed…etc”
Dan, You have got to be nuts to think that 1) Obama can’t be racist because he has white “friends” i.e. political allies, or a white mother, and 2) that America is unable to connect the dots between Wright, Ayers, Farakhan, Van Jones, Sotomayor, etc.
It is all racist and hypocritical identity politics from the Left in which Obama has built his foundations.
I remember having an email exchange with some hot shot over at NRO, Ed Whelan?, can’t remember his name, but he was last in line to crucify Gov. Palin. When I asked him, Then Who? Who will lead the party? And I beseeched him in the most sincere manner. His reply? Mark Sanford.
LOLROTFL!
Geez. These intelligent guys are the same ones who told us to go with McCain. Select a loser so we can commence “reaching across the aisle”.
That is the elist way. Unfortunately for Dan Reihl, and David Frum, we are a nation of individuals who won’t back down.
Dan, take a knee, get a clue, or get out of the way.
TO: Aubrei, et al.
RE: [OT] God and Country and ‘Fools Like These’
Do you include fools like ‘these’?
Or were you just ‘projecting’?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart. -- Proverbs]
P.S. Couldn’t leave out THIS one last ‘killer’ item….
Simply put, you’re an idiot.
I can see all the ‘offended’ Beckians running around with a firecracker stuck in their ass after reading this article. The funny part is that they will also lit it.
There is no left and right in power, and we have not had a Democrat or Republican President for many decades. We have only had actors or puppets. There is only right and wrong, we have only had wrongheaded, wrong people running our country from the shadows for many years, and most of them are Communists. We are not a free country and have not been for many years, but we are too dumb to see what is happening to us. Of course, the Empire State Building can glow in Communist China colors, why not; Communist bankers are really running our Government and we are not free.
Glen Beck, Mark Levin, and Sara Palin are Patriots. I really do not think I will ever hear Sara Palin talking about “New World Order”, though I do not trust any politicians ever again, I trust her more than the rest of them.
Beck has done a lot to advance true conservative and libertarian causes. He uses his show to educate Americans, then tells us to find out for ourselves.
Americans need to educate themselves and his show is a good way to do it. Then we need to go to the sources and make an educated decision for ourselves.
Kudos to William for his comment.
I totally agree with the author. beck is a huge elephant sitting in the corner of the room ready to smash the so called “right wing” to pieces. He’s become to the republicans what Obama is to the “left.” he is the new “messiah” and too many people put way to much faith in him.
The facts are simple. The media is total government propaganda. All 6 of them. Yes, six men control all the USA media. And 5 of those 6 men are Jewish…zionist jewish. The right and left are nothing more than a facade designed to make you think we have a 2 party system when in fact we have a single party system with 2 heads which is currently CONTROLLING the world.
Beck is nothing more than a media plant to keep this facade going. For it doesn’t matter if the dems or repubs take the white house our country is already totally under Jewish control of Israel. Whom also control all the AP reports out of the middle east.
Our country is controlled by another country and the media is nothing more than entertainment even in news and politics. It doesn’t matter which horse you back. The outcome is the same. American citizens going off to fight other peoples wars. The American SS, the world storm trooper. And while we send our kids of to die fighting Israel’s wars, our own infrastructure, dollar and country collapses around us.
By june of 2010 something is gonna happen. I’m not sure what but I suggest people stock up on food, water, meds and get something to defend yourself with.
When mr beck said that the 9 11 truthers should be locked up when all they asked for was answers I knew then he worked for the estabishment. Where did that 757 disappear too in the pentagon. Why was there 56 cameras on that building and none of the film released?. 757′s do not disappear. Building wtc 7 fell in free fall with nothing hitting it. Why no questions?. Why never any proof from the government?. Why is Osama bin Ladin not charged for 9 11 by the fbi?. Questions mr beck deems to ignore. He collects a paycheck and does what he is told to do. period
This is the worse written article I have ever read. Go back to hating Bush and have a nice day.
You will notice the center left author never mentions why Glenn Beck is so successful in fact not a word ?
Beck simply gives us highly provable facts the “” Fringe Media “” want any longer give us unless it is always against Conservatives . Beck challenges the lies and hidden secrets like VAN JONES AND ACORN .
I do wish he was not so silly at times or over react all to often but his facts are solid America really does need to know .
the left throws rocks at him only never questioning his facts since they can’t so they fight dirty .
That Beck could rise to the heights he has is nothing more than a display of the incredible and pervasive weakness in the Conservative camp. We have allowed ourselves to be identified with a host of self absorbed media parasites like Limbaugh who plays the same negative note over and over and over, O’Reilly who’s only method of dealing with a difficult point is to shout over or cut off opposition, Hannity who does not seem to be able to follow even the simplest argument, all the way to the Levines of the world who are intelligent but way too consumed with the “wonky” aspects of the issue at hand and who seem unable to frame anything in a conceptual framework. Always calling the horse race, but never able to examine the horse itself.
The Patriot Act was the perfect example of their collective weakness of principle and a systemic inability to journalistically play the game past the first move: None of the conservative leaders, political or journalistic saw the Patriot Act for what it was and for what it could become: perhaps the most dangerous assault on the basic freedoms and rights ever. None apparently saw the danger or was able to imagine a day when “their guy” was not occupying the White House. Rather than condemn it for the disaster that it was and what it still is, they threw their weight and their collective blowhard voices behind it, all the while waving the American flag and condemning righteous opposition to the sprouting of tyranny.
There are countless other examples of similar fumbles of what should be basic principles.
It is clear that NONE of the folks presently writing have any more than a surface interest or understanding of conservative principles and ideology. They are feeding like gluttons at a dinner they did not prepare in a house they did not build. They are drunk with the wine of Freedom, hard work and sacrifice that was laid down for by men for their great great grandsons, sometimes with their very lives. After they have eaten and drank all they can, they will puke on the furniture, put their butts out on the carpet, steal the silverware and walk out unaware into the dark night of Socialism. Fools all.
Wow…335 comments and counting.
Is this a record for a conservative being “taken to the woodshed” by the Commentariat here at PJM?
And apparently Mr, Riehl has rather a thin skin:
#154:
“I’ve never seen so many idiots assembled in one place since the last Democrat convention. Not calling this gent an idiot btw – but I will address the comment: “Conservatives love to eat their own.””
followed by:
“As for the morons calling me an elitist – I have been and remain a conservative blogger for 5-plus yrs in line with the grassroots, not the Republican establishment. I moved to DC a year ago to bring that to here, not the reverse. And I shun the inside the beltway set, their social events and so forth.”
So his rebuttal to those criticizing his attack on Glenn Beck is basically little more than an ad hominem attack.
Mr. Riehl, there was an album once released in the earkly 1960′s with the title:
“50,000,000 Elvis Fans Can’t ALL Be Wrong”
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/elvis-gal-covers.jpg
You gettin’ the picture, ace?
Beck is the poster boy for the present state of the Conservatism: loud and strident music with no beat you can dance to. Smart but not wise. Ambitious, but lacking a vision or purpose to guide it. All bluster and noise, but lacking the backbone for a real fight. More than willing to pick fights with the weak, but unwilling or unable to take on the best of the opposition. One of many soft handed posers sitting in the card room of a once great hunting club taking about all the expeditions they are planning for mañana, all the while their fat, white rears ends carve an ever deeper rut in the soft leather of complacency.
Beck shows government officials in their own videos, plays their own speeches, and displays their own writings.
He shows the relationships between these officials that have developed over years and have now been able to get into power, not by concealing anything, but by a lame press that couldn’t be bothered to cease its adulation long enough to check into some of these people, or of the President himself.
He doesn’t create this stuff himself–all he does is, in between these clips, etc, he asks in a comical and sarcastic way, “Is this true? Am I wrong? Prove me wrong! Answer the question!!”
In answer, we have bascially heard nothing from the media and the Obama admin, but we have seen a number of resignations, reassignments, Census severing with ACORN, BOA severing with ACORN, NEA reassignment and investigation, ACORN defunded and under investigation…
True, he may not have done a lot of the “heavy lifting” on many of these issues, but in my book, just getting it into public view is half of the job, and he’s done his share. There’s still a lot of investigation to do on any of these issues, and still Pulitzers to be won, if anyone cared…
As far as delivery, his sarcasm is over-the-top and clownish at times…nevertheless, if he’s so wrong, why are all the heads rolling?
“Eat our own?” This is fundamentally wrong. The fact is that there is now an entire species of “opportunistic conservative”, of which Beck is perfect example of type. He, like Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, seem to be in it exclusively for the money. None do more than pick at the surface of issues and are more than willing to sell out principles to make a buck.
Rather than eating our own, the issue is more properly framed that we have too many uninvited and boorish guests eating off of our table.
To all of you Beck bashers including Reihl: At least he is doing something other than contemplating his own navel. Before you criticize him again, do something on your own.
“…All bluster and noise, but lacking the backbone for a real fight. More than willing to pick fights with the weak, but unwilling or unable to take on the best of the opposition…”
-S Ganshaw
um…huh?
Beck’s subjects–Obama himself, Obama’s czars and advisors, Congressmen and Senators, ACORN, SEIU, TIDES, APOLLO, Soros, the Chicago Daley Machine… Seems to me Beck has his thumbs gouging deep into the eyes of power…
Just who would you suggest he be picking on, if these examples do not qualify as power, in your estimation?
The gremlins are eating into his brain.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200910010012
Won’t be long now.
Heidle said…
“None do more than pick at the surface of issues”
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NO ONE packs more show prep, fact-gathering, and informed due diligence into a 3 hour show than Limbaugh.
The problem with Beck’s Libertarian politics may be that the right-leaning independents will vote 3rd party. The vote split will ensure an Obama victory in 2012. The leftist, elite-owned media should laud Beck with as much praise and attention as they can; he will accomplish what they ultimately desire, the socialization and reduction in monetary stature of the United States.
Glen Beck appeals to emotions while not offering any useful, helpful, or dare I say progressive concepts that might help people repair our lopsided world, or at least fix our rotting so-called Republic of the United States.
Beck is just another widget (like Joe McCarthy) placed in a media-cluttered world that is fogged by money. He’s succeeded in further fogging people’s sensitivities – making sure they keep their eye OFF of the BALL, that is, prompting people to achieve real self empowerment.
By lopsided, I mean that 1% of the U.S. population locks up 97% of the nation’s wealth. That spells doom for our culture, our society. Look to history for the parallels, same junk, different century. Beck is obviously paid well to keep the status quo the way it is, to provide immediate gratification for idiots, but the box is empty. He is part of the same “wall” of Corporatism that feeds upon us all, but yet nothing “trickles down” in return. You hear cries of SOCIALISM! supplanting the real objective, which is to steer people wide and clear of the words “ANTI-TRUST”. Big Media, the Farm system, Medical, all of it is becoming reduced down into super conglomerates that want to maintain power and control. Look at the numbers, it’s true.
Keep in mind, 90% of the electronic media is owned by five extremely large corporate entities. Bad news. Beck is a tool like the other tools used, such as the various (hidden) media wizards that are charged to manipulate people and pack them into Lobbyist-Paid or Big-Pharma funded buses to appear on cue, like monkeys, to yammer about “Socialism” while they carry signs that almost look homemade but most certainly are not, setting them up to appear as if they have a point, but are really yammering with pride about nothing, all the while succeeding in sabotaging any opportunity for rational debate.
The media/policy marionettes who pull Beck’s strings are paid well to place inflammatory talking points into people’s mouths that add up to nothing, that evaporate after they displace proper debate. The silly people have no idea what they are talking about, but yet they are able to funnels their emotions and thus dissipate themselves. Keep in mind, they are ACTUALLY BEING SCREWED – BUT NOT THE WAY THEY THINK. Can you say, Germany, 1933? Same thing. They perfectly embody the phenomenon of fascism. Dumb people who are pumped with fear and anger by moneyed, powerful entities working in stealth, that make war and take resources unfettered, all the while aggrandizing their power and wealth at our expense, at nature’s peril. We are all in this together. Beck is noise, a disgrace, a racist, a monkey that appeals to all the base notions of fascism. He’s such a waste of a TV time that could be better used for presenting empowering information, not junk that dissipates one’s capabilities. So sad, and very Morton Downey Jr.-like. Bleah…
Glenn Beck is the only television mainstream media guy shining light on ACORN and the czars. And to you, Mr. Riehl, he’s just a joke.
You’re being played like a fiddle, Mr. Riehl. The socialist elites want people like Beck to be isolated, alienated and ignored. You are more than happy to oblige them.
Go away, Mr. Riehl.
Ya know, when men like beck pull back the covers of corporate government and shine the light on suspects zero, expose the corruption, point out who they are and tell the facts, The powers that be, as conyers reported when he was thinking of investigating acorn, begin the order to attack!. Than, media boot licker’s follow up with their own brand of noise hoping to catch some of the starshine attention to their own self indulged ego manic contrivances on the masses.
It is without a doubt the monekee’s in washington, Snazzy Pelosi, Barney (rubble) Franks, Chris (do) Dodd, and all their corporate buds want to keep it a secret so only they can cash out on corruption and corporate tactical wrangling of the american public.
Simply, a silly attempt to project elitist propoganda on beck. Nothing else.
Well, I thought I’d say something clever but it seems that many already have… Many thanks to Glenn Beck for waking up lots of folks in this country with his clear voice and explanations that anyone can understand. You, sir, need to bone up on what real people think.
I don’t understand why no one sees this for what it is.
Glen Beck is a cross dresser.
He doesn’t work for the right wing faction at all.
He is a plant. He works for the other team. This is how the system works.
If your pro life and are for abortion, you go to the group that is against it, and you lead the charge in a most extreme manner as to make everyone think your cause is lead by crazy people. You convince them they need to kill doctors for example. Then someone does it. It goes on national TV and now you the anti abortion movement is linked to craziness.
The guy who screamed, “You lie” to the president is too a cross dresser. He is only there to provoke the other side into doing something stupid on the national stage.
Wake up, it’s all a lie… The only sides there are is, us against them.
beck is a moronic neanderthal, like most right-wingnuts
Beck goes to great length to credit those that have done the “heavy lifting” and he only rephrases the research so everyone watching or reading his books or articles may understand them and present them to others easily. I agree, that the 9-12 Project may have been too much, and a the timing a bit odd but his schtick is none-the-less effective. for a more intellectual and tought provoking personality, Levin is no doubt my favorite, even over Rush.
Ain’t it hilarious how the trolls and “conservative dividers” of all ilks are drawn to such a thread as if Beck were a magnet?!
AND NOW Mr. Dan Riehl has DELETED his own “flaming” post (formerly #149); not a sign of particular integrity, Oh-Danny-Boy.
I’m thinkin’ a $4 slice of pizza at Duccini’s would do ya good right about now.
That, and maybe a new line of work?
With all respect, Limbaugh has never shown any ability to get past the shiny surface of any problem other than to gloat at the magnificence of his own reflection in it.
He completely missed the Constitutional disaster that was George Bush.
He completely missed the issues in and the importance of 9/11 and was swept away with most of the rest of the media in this country and sat calling the horse race and asking “who, what, when, and where” and ignoring the only important question which was “why”.
He is completely bamboozled by big government Republicans and offers cover when he should be offering condemnation. He has done this time and again including McCain, Bush, Dole, Gingrich, Chaney….the list of his misreads is profound.
He is on the wrong side of Iraq, Iran and Israel/Palestine and does not appear to know one wit of Middle East history other than what he reads in the Jerusalem Post.
He does not understand any of the forces driving the collapse of the US and Western European economies.
He is easily taken off track by every little word said by the opposition, but fails to notice their actions or intentions.
He is blind to those on the Conservative side that have betrayed us and silent in condemnation of their sins.
Should I go on? Limbaugh is an entertainer who knows how to turn a good phrase and juggle idiot callers. This does not make him wise, it only makes him smart. There is an immense abyss between smart and wise.
Not only is Limbaugh not prepared, it does not seem that he is capable of being prepared, since he appears not to have grown in wisdom in the slightest over the years.
You really ought to do MORE research, sir.
If your facts were correct, I would agree with your conclusions.
Unfortunately, your facts are NOT correct. These are the facts as I understand them:
1. Beck never claimed the 9/12 happened because of him. At first, he didn’t think the tea parties were a good idea. He DID start the 9/12 project as a resource for individuals to make their own (not his). As it turns out, the 9/12 folks had a LOT to do with organizing the march. Both they and Beck said as much. He specifically DENIED being the driving force of the 9/12 march.
2. Obama said his grandmother was afraid of black people “like most whites” and because it was “bred” into them. That EXACTLY fits the dictionary definition of racism. So does automatically assuming a cop acted incorrectly and falsely accused his friend merely because the cop was white. Those ARE racist remarks. That doesn’t mean Obama hates white people. It merely means he has demonstrated the tendency to pre-judge peoples motives/actions based on RACE, not facts.
3. Internment camps… He ACTIVELY debunked them. If you would do some research, you would find he pursued the inquiry because callers kept asking him about the camps. He said he waited a month before debunking them because he wanted to do a good job vetting the facts. That is RESPONSIBLE. If he did anything wrong, it was to announce the special before the research was concluded.
Ever heard of ALINSKY? The left’s favorite tactic is to try and humiliate us so we won’t ask questions or talk about real issues. We MUST become immune to this tactic if we are EVER to regain enough boldness to actually take back the party and the country.
I think the republican party’s main problem is their complicity in ignoring the US Constitution. They were trying to do the right thing by LIMITING the damage done by the left. Unfortunately, the minute we (republicans) went along with unconstitutional programs to keep from being called “mean”, we lost the war. We can’t be as “compassionate” as the left (as in redistribution of wealth), and we no longer have the ability to decry the programs as UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
I do realize that the Beck show is just show biz under the big tent, just like the Obama show, Bush show, and the Clinton Show, but I like Beck’s carnival rides better than the other rides. Obama, Bush and Clinton’s rides are making me nauseous and I feel I will throw up if I have to ride the scary rides much longer. It is all an act and they are actors, but Beck is more agreeable with my stomach.
Here you go. I’m sure this will restore the right wing’s faith and admiration in Mr. Riehl.
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/
After reading the first 35 posts or so ad seeingthe unaminous discontenet of this post, there’s nothng left to say except that Dan Riehl’s article would have ben much better if he focused on his main piont of contention with Glenn Beck. That he called Obama a racist. I’m saying this from a purely persuasive point of view. Riehl fails to juxtapose his feelings between loving Genn Beck and disdaining him; and this leaves the reader confused. He should have simply focused his article on one specific argument: that Glenn Beck did a great disservice to the right by calling Obama a racist. Of course, by so doing, Riehl would have to back up his statement; and that I doubt he would so successfully. There’s plenty of reason to believe that O has racist sentiment in his soul.
Your complaint with Beck is that he may have taken some undue credit for some event? Really? I seem to remember he didn’t go, didn’t really want to be personally involved, and just covered it from a studio instead.
The thing I find most peculiar is when people start attacking a decent person who sees corruption in their own party. This little nit pic you have is not worth the words you’ve spent on it. Glenn Beck is effective because he’s a regular guy wanting answers. I don’t like to see people picking on a regular guy asking questions.
It is sad when our “right” bloggers are persuaded by the MSM. When the MSM starts the relentless process of beating someone down, many of our own jump in with their sticks and join the fray. Anyone who followed the turning of popular support for the Iraq war into absolute hatred of George Bush saw this happen in very quick fashion. They decided who we would have as candidates—for both parties. It will happen again if we are not on our guard. The MSM must not be allowed to tell us who we can and cannot support. Each time they win over one of our “voices” we become weaker. Riehl has been won over and will soon forget the nonsense of Maher, Whoopi Goldberg, etc., who are much worse than Beck could ever be.
There are interesting comments on Beck in “Is Conservatism Brain-dead” in the WaPo, which I linked to via Instapundit. The writer, (who wrote “The Age of Reagan”) defends Beck because he WILL engage intellectual ideas,unlike O’Reilly, Hannity, etc.
Riehl shows no “Common Sense”. Liberalism once again showing the Mental Disorder it Truly is. He is a “right blogger” Yeah- Sure- Another Posuer, since he fled his chosen profession of “Investments” AKA lying and cheating people– He is now Conservative” HA HA— more like an OPPOURTUNIST- he is like a fart in the wind- STINKIN all over the place.
MY Mistake-” Marketing Professional ” still equals misleading people as much as any investor– He is Marketing himself as someone who knows whats best for Conservatives— When He clearly isn’t one Himself— Is John McCain doing this as a Joke…. Conservative my foot— What is the Difference Between this Fake and Beck-and any Tea Party Attendee—- a Belief System.
RIEHL are you FOR REAL? take your “criticism” and post it in yourWC where it belongs. You’re a riehl libtard!
Mr Riehl,
Your article is the most two-faced, cowardly piece of writing I’ve read in years. Let’s start with the title: “I Come Not to Praise Glenn Beck, But to Bury Him.” Fair enough. If that’s your intent — and given the subsequent article’s lack of satire, that is your intent — then eviscerate Beck using direct language and with no holds barred. Man to man. But you didn’t do that. Instead, you salted the effort with glad-handling qualifiers that to any average reader serve to telegraph every vicious thrust of your knife into Beck’s back, while broadcasting your petty envy of him and your fear to “own” the attack. Here are a few examples of that: “From the 9/12 tea party march, to Van Jones, the NEA scandal, and ACORN, none of these were the genuine work of Glenn Beck. He did no heavy lifting on any of those stories other than ginning up noise around them on his show, often milking them for days while, to genuine observers, all the facts were out there for anyone of a mind to find them out. That isn’t an insult.” Oh yes it is, Mr. Riehl and it is an insult that smacks of the sort of pettiness and envy that typically permeates a DC cocktail party.
Here’s that same backhanded move, but inverted; this time with the glad-handling coming after the body blow: “He was given a non-prominent microphone and television show in a mostly uncompetitive time slot, replacing a very decent but relatively uncompelling and beyond-his-prime John Gibson. And piggybacking on the efforts of others, Beck has displayed tremendous marketing ability, or his handlers have, in making the absolute best use of it while also doing damage to a politically dangerous White House. He deserves praise and full credit for that.” Again, you wear a sickening envy of Beck on your sleeve, and your effort to mask it has the opposite effect.
Here’s another example of your mendacity, and proof of having perpetrated a laughable hypocrisy: And I am not suggesting that Glenn Beck should somehow shut up, go away, or stop pointing a finger at this out-of-control leftist White House whenever he can. Oh yes you are suggesting that, since the basic thrust of your article concerns the necessity of pushing Beck off the national stage (where logically, he could no longer threaten Obama): “In that sense, Beck is a distraction, if nothing else. But he is also something far worse. He’s a genuine danger to us and we need to sort that out.
So let’s get this straight: To you, Glenn Beck is a far greater danger to the “center right” Republican “movement” than he is effective in monkey-wrenching the destructive, un-American, Obama leftist juggernaut; one that seeks the destruction of all political movements except far Left ones. If that’s your point of view fine, but again, say exactly what you mean instead of throwing rocks from behind a wall of faux praise.
I could continue with examples lifted from your piece, but by now you get the point.
Mr. Riehl, I could say that you’re the type of guy who outwardly greets people he views as “beneath” him with a smile and handshake, and then whispers a smug insult to his high and mighty friends about the same people once they’re out of earshot. I could deduce that, based on your article, you suffer from chronic, acute penis envy. And based on your article I might even conclude that you’re a self-righteous, self-impressed, name-dropping prick. But I’ll do nothing of the sort, since I’m sure you’re just an overall swell gentleman who made the “mistake” of attacking your imperfect ally, as that ally was being bludgeoned by your enemies.
Dan, enjoy Mr. Frum’s elite company but puh-lease, don’t soil your shirt with Chablis in the excitement of toasting each other’s treachery.And while you’re at it, tell David that in a target-rich environment, it is absolute madness to attack one of your own.
If the author really wants to write an article about a harmful person try calling out Keith Olbermann…
Mark Levin is a neo con shill. I’ll take Beck any day. Here’s the problem, Beck is a libertarian and the right NOR the left at the top of the chain like that. The last thing they want to see is a rise in the interest of a third party. There seems to be a lot of libertarianism around these days thanks to Ron Paul and the Liberty movement.
There is something contrived and artificial about Beck which makes him unwatchable to me. The difference between Beck and Mark Levin is that Levin can explain and defend what conservatism is and why we need it. Note I am talking about conservatism, not libertarianism, which is not the same thing. I am a conservative and proud of it.
If being unable to appreciate Beck´s shtick makes me an “elitist”, well, I cannot pretend to be dumber than I am.
Levin and Beck both fall short because they fall for the phony war on terror and the fail to see 911 as a false flag op. In that sense they are shills for the neo-cons who have the US embroiled in a disaster in the Mideast that is bankrupting the country and destroying our credibility. Our lack of an even-handed policy in the Arab-Israeli conflict is all part of the problem as well. Levin, Beck etc. fail to point out the source of our misery and point instead to the ridiculous Bin Laden or Al-Queda.
Great, another minion of the Triumvirate (Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity) pushing the GOP brand. I ask you Dan, when has the GOP reduced the size of government? I’m waiting!
I remember Beck saying Ron Paul supporters were idiots (and worse).
Just like with anyone else – you take their strengths and judge them by those. Beck has been of major importance in research, publicizing the good and bad, energizing and motivating us all that we CAN make a difference. This is huge!
I believe most of us take information from many sources in our efforts at due diligence. Beck gives us the tools, if nothing else. That alone is substantial.
Each author, commentator, journalist, show host has a place in the movement to restore sanity to our government and address the many other assaults on our Constitution. They each present themselves according to his/her personality and role. Beck’s over-the-top stuff is just him in his lighter moments. The serious stuff is what we focus on and we let him have his fun. And it IS fun many times.
I believe Beck is driven most by his concerns and fears. COMMENTS Obama made HAVE often been racist, IMO. He is divisive with regard to party affiliation, race, and class, pitting one against another.
Beck’s comment that McCain would have been worse was poorly stated. McCain would have been a far greater example of character, experience, and humanity. However, I think Beck is saying that with McCain being more moderate, there would have been more opportunity to further chip away at our freedoms and rights in an effort to “reach across the aisle” to a Dem-controlled Congress. Obama’s repugnant proposals are “in-your-face-horrifying” and that has ignited and united us more.
Beck has played a huge role in the overall efforts to stop the madness. That is what we value and are grateful for. We wouldn’t be NEARLY as effective without him and I am so deeply appreciative of what he is doing.
This has to be the dumbest article I have ever read on this site.
So lets see.. Beck hurts the right… Palin hurts the right.
“What will people think?” “The Left will mock them”. … “They’re hillybilly-esque and uneducated”
LOL ANd all this time I thought the Left was quite capable of drawing accurate depictions of their opponents and engage with them in good faith.
Beck’s ratings on FOX are more than the ratings on all his competitors COMBINED.
When are you moronic conservatives going to stop attacking each other and focus on the goal
Elitist..gotta love em
Looks like becks gotta lot of friends, its gona be hard to beat him up!
As I read it Riehl seems to be worried that Glenn Beck is going to go off the reservation in a damaging Pat Buchanen sort of way some time in the future. Well Dan, I say keep your powder dry and don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes. We got decades of good service out of Pitchfork Pat before he went completely loopy and we’re likely to get some good service out of Beck too whether or not he ever goes over the edge.
Why not worry more about how to pull him in so he gets less loopy instead of trying to actively alienate the guy? Now that would be some real heavy lifting. Are you up for it or is carping more your speed?
If Glenn Beck is the best we can do, we’re in biiiiiiig trouble. For all you Beck lovers, you must be pretty desperate to stoop to defending such a transparent cry-baby piece of shit.
To “JL”:
“the poorest yet sinister language skills…”
You might wanna exit your glass house before pickin’ up any more stones, there, sparky.