Response to School Violence Is Inadequate
If violence-prone kids can be helped by social workers and counselors, that help should start in kindergarten and first grade. Teachers know who the troubled kids are, but they don’t have time to give them the attention they need. The kind of intensive support Huberman envisions for 15-year-olds might make a difference for five-year-olds.
Of course, most troublemakers aren’t deeply troubled. They go to disorderly schools where name-calling, fighting, and disrespect for authority is tolerated. Without strong parents teaching them better at home, these kids go with the flow.
There are many “no excuses” schools — private, charter, and district-run public schools — where low-income minority students do well. Not one tolerates disorder or disrespect. Led by strong principals, these schools show students how to behave, and rules are enforced. Children feel safe. Teachers can devote classroom time to instruction. Fewer students fall behind and act up to avoid the frustration of not being able to read or solve a math problem. These schools don’t need metal detectors or specially trained security guards to create a “culture of calm,” as Huberman calls it.
It’s not fair to compare regular public schools with charter schools or private schools, many teachers say. Schools of choice can get rid of disruptive students. Neighborhood schools have to deal with unruly, unwilling, and troubled students — and their dysfunctional parents.
In a speech to the City Club, Chicago Teachers Union President Marilyn Stewart said that chronically disruptive students should be taken out of regular classrooms and put in a separate school until they learn how to behave.
Stewart was talking about nonviolent but perpetually misbehaving kids who make it impossible for teachers to teach and for motivated students to learn. Teachers send these students to the office and they “boomerang” back, Stewart said.
If teachers had the authority to enforce classroom rules, exiling the most defiant students, the vast majority of go-with-the-flow kids would follow the rules. It would be the new normal.
A small number of children would need to go elsewhere to learn self-control. If some never learned, at least they wouldn’t destroy the learning opportunities of others or drive teachers out of the profession.
“A small number of children would need to go elsewhere to learn self-control. If some never learned, at least they wouldn’t destroy the learning opportunities of others or drive teachers out of the profession.”
Pass the popcorn. Progressive fratricide is always fun to watch. “Mainstreamers” vs. teacher’s union hacks, and the union have all the aces.
“A small number of children would need to go elsewhere to learn self-control. If some never learned, at least they wouldn’t destroy the learning opportunities of others or drive teachers out of the profession.”
Pass the popcorn. Progressive fratricide is always fun to watch. “Mainstreamers” vs. teacher’s union hacks, and the union have all the aces.
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These violent neighborhoods were not always this way.
There was also a time when the schools in these neighborhood were ok.
Thank you, Great Society!
“If teachers had the authority to enforce classroom rules, exiling the most defiant students, the vast majority of go-with-the-flow kids would follow the rules. It would be the new normal.”
“A small number of children would need to go elsewhere to learn self-control. If some never learned, at least they wouldn’t destroy the learning opportunities of others or drive teachers out of the profession.”
Never going to happen. First, the removal of defiant and disruptive students will not happen becuase of the threat of law suits. For the past thirty years, good students have been thrown under the bus so the defiant and disruptive students can have their equal opportunity of outcomes rights upheld.
Second, most of the defiant and disruptive students may be IEP students who are protected against disciplinary recourse due to their IEP.
Third, most of the defiant and disruptive students in both the urban and suburban schools are black-NOT ALL-but the majority (and in the case of suburban schools it is white kids trying to act urban/ghetto/gang bangers) are and so were talking about the threat of racism being thrown about for which loyal progressive teachers, unions and administrators could not possibly bear.
This is called “Reward the Losers”. The socialists will always find a way to do this. It’s their last big hope.
Why havn’t the black leaders Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton taken care of this? I’m sure they are working very, very hard on this. Soon all will be well.
I can think of twenty activist legal groups that will be all over these thugs like white on guilt, portraying them as essentially good boys who are being turned into bad boys as result of their being ostracized from the system. Then play the race card where possible, make a tearful documentary (at taxpayer expense), do a dishonest and sympathetic TV interview and pass it off to the newtworks as “news”, and muck up the legal system for decades. Further, these defenders of social pathology will then try to burden the system with so may additional fees and requirements and certification and legal red-tape that the costs will soar out of control, and then they will forward the argument that the program isn’t cost effective (thanks you, leftist budget hawks). I think, at least in Chicago, President Obama knows the leaders in 19 of these groups on a first name basis.
Address the student(s) with teachers, social workers, counselors, etc.,
Where the *ell are the parents in this? Oh, wait. That would placate blame away from ‘the system’.
It’s situations like this where the parental unit(s) are so unable to care for themselves, let alone their kids I believe free vasectomies would be beneficial.
I worked for a while as a substitute teacher. I was sent to one school where the introductory sheet that the office handed out to substitute teachers talked about “diversity” and “multiculturalism.” I had problems with the class. I got sent to the school the following year: the introductory sheet that the office handed out to substitute teachers mentioned neither “diversity” nor “multiculturalism.” I had no problems with the class this time.
Any lessons to be derived from this?
When schools become institutionalized baby-sitters and parents stop taking responsibility for their own offspring…well…
The rest of the country either has given up on these parts of our cities or do not care . More public funding for abortion might help . Maybe pay pregnant women to terminate and be sterilized ..
No amount of government spending is ever going to change these pathetic statistics. The most plausible solution is to seriously crack down on criminals and gang members and allowing the decent people living amongst them to defend themselves with whatever they can. The kids who attacked that honor student should have been locked up years ago.
This was such a tragedy.
But, in all this sorrow…where is Jackson, Sharpton? Where is their bandwagon? Where is their outrage? is there no money to be made so we are not having riots over this young man’s death?
This is all an obvious conspiracy perpetrated by The Man. Kill whitey and all this will end and there will be peace on earth.
11. That’s called genocide, idiot. Apparently we never learned what badthink eugenics really is.
Support kids who do well? That’s “elitist” and against “social justice”! Dirtabg trouble makers need all the advantages and support in life they can get! (Then we’ll have more Democrats, employees of ACORN and members of SEIU. People who work hard and achieve don’t do that.)
This article is just flat out dumb. Violent behavior and disparagement of education and learning are hallmarks of a single motherhood society. Familiar to any readers of the White British Underclass (Chav society) chronicler Theodore Dalrymple.
You can throw money, counselors, and what have you at the Black Underclass or White British Underclass (and Labor HAS in Britain, the OECD reports that Britain is highest in social spending on youth and the highest teen female drinkers). It won’t do a thing.
Young men know being violent (and particularly, killing someone) is the key for sexual attraction and desire by young women. They know well that working hard in school and studying is a ticket to World of WarCraft basement dwelling and virginity. This is the inevitable result of single mother dominated societies that always devolve into female choice of violent stimulus-excitement men rather than steady providers.
Wow, a life of sex and female attention, or being a sexless drone but finding the approval of counselors and social workers who go home to safe neighborhoods every day. I know which *I* would choose if I were a young Black Man in Chicago or young White British Chav.
Bottom line: schools can do a reasonably good job of teaching middle/working class kids in a nuclear family environment the basics, but that is all that schools can do. They cannot no matter how much money you spend fix a society that has chosen single motherhood, violent men as the choice of young women, and anti-education values. Note: the British mirror image of young Blacks punishing those for “acting White” is the British Chav version of same. It is based on sexual selection by young women for violent thugs.
The main problem is that the social culture rewards aggressive behavior especially by high school. Young males that are violent do get the females and money by bullying the betas. Extortion and theft are successful. Young people at that age never think of the long term future. All they think is the now.
Schools have exacerbated the problem with moral equivalence that the bad kids and their victims are all the same. If a bad kid bullies an decent kid who refuses to stand down then both are punished rather than the aggressor. Plus teachers know the aggressor kid can hurt them so they are intimidated and allow the bully to skate.
Sometimes a passive aggressive male will strike back with overwhelming force like the Columbine killers. By that point all they are focused in on killing and power and don’t care who they hurt because they have been condition that the aggressive person wins.
The single mother pathology leads to a failure to have fathers keep the young males in line. Young males need older males to teach the limits and that there are limiits and will be physical punished if they transgress.
But the state took that tool away and parents who try to make kids obey can be arrested for child abuse.
Many young males need a heavy hand to keep them in line and to learn to submit to authority.
The military first breaks a soldier to change the attitude and they use physical punishment. Run, pushups etc.
So social liberals said that marriage was not needed and fathers were unneeded. and that children will grow up civilized without any training. They have reaped what they sowed and now we have a crop of savages.
Whiskey,
I can’t possibly be the the only hot chick who thinks ‘geeks’ are sexy???????
I reject the notion this is everbody’s fault and a national problem . Local government and the propagation of the welfare state are at the heart of children killing children . A sub-culture that celebrates thuggish behavior but can not be criticized without being called racist is the fault of those racists saying it can not be criticized . Who benefits ? Local government and race hustlers .