Republican Hopes Rest on Suburban Comeback
Beyond turnout, white voters were also strongly supportive of Romney, as he tied with Dwight Eisenhower in 1956 at 59% for the third-best Republican performance ever among white voters after President Nixon (67% in 1972) and President Reagan (64% in 1984). The same CNN exit poll showed that 82% of self-identified conservatives voted for Romney — the exact same percentage that supported President Reagan in 1984.
Therefore, in all likelihood Republicans have already maxed out on white conservatives and need to look elsewhere for the gains they’ll need.
Beyond the need to reach out to the rapidly growing Hispanic vote, Republicans also have a ripe target in the suburban areas of the largest Frost Belt cities: New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, etc.
Mitt Romney essentially lost the election in three or four states: Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan. What do all four states have in common? Lots of suburbanites and/or retired blue-collar workers. Florida now swings with the rest of northern suburbia.
Tipping the Sunshine State to Romney would have given him 235 electoral votes. Adding Pennsylvania (20 votes) and Michigan (16) would have given him a majority of 271, despite the loss in the national popular vote (due to huge Obama margins in traditional Democratic cities New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco). Alternatively, adding Pennsylvania and Ohio (18 votes) would have also won the election for Romney.
Here’s the stat that will have Republicans tearing their hair out: if Romney had just matched Gerard Ford’s 1976 performance of 55% in the suburbs of Philly and Detroit, he would have carried Pennsylvania and Michigan and (assuming Florida also swung) won the Electoral College a la Bush in 2000. Ford lost the 1976 election by two points.
Republicans have lost key big states like New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Illinois, and Michigan at least six straight times. But all is not lost for the GOP in the industrial states: if they can recover among suburbanites, they can become quite competitive in the Frost Belt again. With the South, Farm Belt, and Mountain West turning over Republican majorities, the GOP can get to 270 electoral votes by carrying just a few industrial states like Ohio and Missouri or perhaps Pennsylvania, Michigan, or Wisconsin. The last Republican nominee to carry the suburbs of the big Frost Belt cities was the first George Bush, way back in 1988. He is also the last Republican to win resoundingly in the Electoral College by carrying 40 states.
Historically, winning back the suburbs of the major metro areas should be quite do-able for the Republicans in 2016 or 2020. After all, these voters were among the most loyal Republicans dating back to the party’s first victory in 1860 for Abraham Lincoln. From the Civil War to the end of the 1980s, Republicans carried the suburbs of the largest Frost Belt cities in every election except the rare Democratic landslide years of 1912, 1936, and 1964.
In fact, 51% of northern suburbanites voted for Herbert Hoover during the depths of the Depression in 1932.
While this or that can be blamed for the Republican’s thrashing – and voter fraud surely played a big part – it was also the case that RINOS didn’t help those who voted as independents.
For if there is barely a distinction between Dems and RINOS, on matters of major important, what incentive do they have to vote Repub, as opposed to Dem? In other words, it becomes more of a toss up, and a wishy washy one at that.
While Romney is much more of a patriot than America’s anti-American POTUS, it is surely the case that the Repubs – at their convention – caused grave damage to their chances, at least among independents.
So while Romney’s biggest mistake was not being specific enough, as to where he would turn things around – most intrinsically, in the economic realm – the Repubs embraced the ‘Arab Spring’, as if it was a foreign policy life raft! And independent voters who were concerned about foreign policy didn’t see any difference between either party, both embracing anti-American Arab/Muslim regimes!
Having spoken to quite a few independents, this was definitely part of the mix. Next go around they must perform as an alternative, not as a lesser evil – http://adinakutnicki.com/2012/08/29/republican-national-convention-heralds-arab-spring-in-its-platform-oblivious-to-the-unfolding-arabmuslim-nightmare-commentary-by-adina-kutnicki/
Couple voter fraud, with a lack of discernible distinction, and herein lies the awful results – another 4 yrs with Obama and gang at the helm!
I agree 100% with Adina. I never got the impression that Romney was a true conservative patriot. His stand was wishy-washy on many issues. He didn’t stand strongly against Obama and all of his socialist/communist policies. What about his entire cabinet/czars? Targets that should have been capitalized on. Most if not all of those conservatives and libertarians that I spoke with didn’t think he was a strong enough candidate to turn the country around. Though it appears he’s received record votes according to this article, I can’t help but wonder how many didn’t show up because of not feeling represented. Do you think he was the candidate for the tea party voters, the libertarians, the independents? And wouldn’t a strong candidate cause a democrat to vote for him/her especially in this economy. Please they are now going after the Hispanic (illegal) voters. Are you kidding me?! When I read articles such as this, Republicans still don’t get it.
Bill Whittle has a good explanation of why Romney lost. Part way into this video, watch Whittle show how Romney could have made it work.
Romney/Ryan were a clear and preferable alternative to Obama/Biden. Romney was an excellent candidate. A well-educated businessman who made his fortune outside of politics and Washington; a man with a track record of being able to fix systemic problems; a man with an exemplary family life and a conservative by temperament with a history of being able to work with the other side.
Not electing Romney was a brain dead missed opportunity. Some conservatives insisted on a mythical candidate. Instead of competence and decency, we have the continuation of the Obama nightmare.
Hear, hear! Very well put.
If ever there were a classic illustration of “the perfect is the enemy of the good,” this election was it for me.
Our candidate had to exemplify an unattainable standard, while facing off against an incumbent about whose record in office not one good thing could be said!!
Slow down there cowpoke. You left out that he gave his inheritance to charity. You haven’t told me anything I don’t already know. I voted for Romney, but I stand by my comments. Do you really think Romney would have had the political strength to undo what Obama has done – compromised our sovereignty, increased the welfare roles, wrecked our civil liberties, etc, etc. Based on your comments, it seems you had full faith in his beliefs and abilities. Good for you. We’ll never know will we, because HE LOST! Why do you think that is?
Facing facts.
The premise here is exactly the premise that establishment Republicans used to support Romney in their failed program to win…that the moderate vote would swing Republican if Republicans attracted progressives and that the base of Republicans would vote Republican no matter what! The reality is that didn’t happen! The moderates either didn’t vote, or voted for Obama. The Republican libertarian base to some extent didn’t vote Republican because Romney said that his views were progressive and also because of the unfair way he and the Republican establishment treated libertarians.
Core conservatives who strongly believe in reduced taxes, reduced government, adherence to the constitution, etc. were convinced by the fact that Romney declared himself a progressive in the 1990′s and initiated a Massachusetts equivalent of socialized mdedicine. He never repudiated this and was thus apparently against most of the things that actual conservatives believe in.
He never repudiated this and was thus apparently against most of the things that actual conservatives believe in.
Nonsense. He lied and called himself a progressive while running against Ted Kennedy in 1994. Running against the head of the Kennedy clan in Massachusetts was an act of severe conservatism. He ran surpluses in MA while implementing a private medical insurance scheme whose key feature was at the time supported by The Heritage Foundation.
“Nonsense. He lied and called himself a progressive while running against Ted Kennedy in 1994.”
I tried to parse what you wrote and cannot get anything good out of it. Either Romney lied about being a progressive like you said (proving he was a liar), or he didn’t lie because he WAS a progressive. Lose lose.
The Republican party is finished for now. The Dems have made people feel empowered by supporting them. You are with it, enlightened, anti-The man, an independant woman, a valid homosexual, an effectual though much mistreated black man, an environmental warrior, a non greedy fair player, a naughty avant gardist-”progressive” immensely powerful word that. Its all crap of course, all you are is a vote that will allow them to maintain power. As we know, Republicans represent the big meanies that want to belittle and defranchise everyone bar 1%-another powerful terminology. How can the Republicans make people feel empowered? Gonna hafta sell out and just drop or cede great ground on some issues: abortion, obamacare, guns, taxes, immigration, crime, debt, you really must go galt to some degree. This war is lost. Give the Dems the reigns…er…rope. You appear dull, predictable and obstinate right now, but when the Dems mess everything up, you will have painted yourselves at the tool of coolness, independance and empowerment. Part of that will be easy, people do tire of chaos such as that wrought by endless avante gardism which will itself probably become stale right around when Moore’s Law’s expiration ceases digital innovation, and then people may be craving stability. Republicans can recreate themselves as the human party or whatever, I don’t know that part, better brains out there. But the point is people hate whoever has total power and right now the Republicans are obstructing the Dems gaining total power. Bite the bullet. Take the pain. Hand it over. Regroup.
Isnt it about time the Republicans went on the offensive and started attacking the Democrats and Obama at every opportunity. They should stay focused on deficit spending and the enevitable national bankruptcy that will take place. The whitewash and cover up of the Benghazi fiasco should never be put to rest. If they stay focused on these issues the message to the American people will at long last be absorbed. Its time for Republicans to get energized and switch from defense to offense
Thought they already were attacking. But no one is listening to them beyond their supporters. Look up Benghazi or Fast and Furious on the Huff and Puff and you will find a people holding ideological sway nationally, who think these scandals are trumped up and the result of aggressive Republican nutjobs. The guns issue is another nail. Living in Australia where there is no conservative movement (you guys really do need a new word, something as effective as “gay” for queer or “progressive” for reactionary) I used to think that if I could just write something strongly, clear and fact based, the progressives would concede ground. But seeing as America has plenty of such dissemination and it barely stems the flow of this ideological cancer then obviously this attack based system doesn’t work. Let them go. Bloat the government. Astouting standards fall and it encroaches on the media and the nations global influence wanes (and more importantly theirs too) it will become the enemy. Americans might be influenced to rise and Americans are resistant people. They aren’t North Koreans. The Republicans just have to retreat to safe bases like Texas or Charlie Mansons desert ranch, stay patient, fortify and wait for Helter Skelter. What do you know the maniac was right after all. But it’s been 40 years of attack on Roe vs Wade. Utter waste of time. Give that to the left, they had a much better long term strategy than the right’s trench warfare system. Charlie’s prescient moral relativism rules and the voters are all crazy for now. They live in an America sized Manson Ranch of free or cheap everything, pop culture, sex and drugs. Mere verbal attacks on it won’t work. Only grim realities and mainstream media influence.
Where Pubs do get better traction is on the local & state levels; they should continue with this. On the national arena of political ideas & policies though, I think your take is spot on. Let that go & just keep on with the keepin’ on again, in the state & local levels.
Republicans have gutted their own demographics with the fraudulent housing bubble and education bubble, both sectors that disproportionately harm whites.
For much of the new generation, rent + s&p500 now beats owning a house (a good idea with section 8 around!), and a real job + s&p500 now beats an indebted college degree “investment” and a “respectable career”. But in the time for this better economic culture to emerge, the government’s intervention did a lot of damage to white fertility.
Suburbs are going to end just as poorly. Home ownership and extreme automobile dependence are dead ends.
As long as we’re discussing demographics, let’s see how Romney really got clobbered in the North and in Florida.
Romney lost Ohio because 15% of the voters there were black. In fact, more blacks voted in 2012 than in 2008, something that every Republican strategist said could never happen.
Romney did poorly in those Northern suburbs because he got clobbered by the unmarried female vote, the second fastest growing voting group in America and which is heavily represented in the suburbs.
The GOP base skews older than the Dem base. As a result, the GOP base is more vulnerable to voters simply dying of old age. In Florida, elderly white voters–whom Romney was counting on to help him carry Florida–are dying off and are being replaced by young Hispanics, who didn’t vote for him.
The national GOP won’t appeal to these voters. If you look at the Republicans who do win House races and Senate races in the North, you’ll find that they are not strident on abortion, immigration, or homosexuality. Their districts have comparatively few evangelicals and almost no Southern Baptists, and so they don’t bother to appeal to those groups with socially conservative positions.
In the North, that’s the future of the GOP.
A lot of blacks surely voted because they wanted the “black” candidate to win. I instinctively doubt the turnout will be the same for a non-black Democrat presidential candidate in 2016.
How do you know there won’t be a black on the Dem ticket? (Say as the VP nominee)
But the math problem still exists for the GOP in their quest to cobble together a winning coalition. You can’t win with voters who no longer exist. It’s all demographics. Adapt or die. Looks like the latter is occurring.
“You can’t win with voters who no longer exist”
Why not? Democrats do it in every Blue state and city in the Country. Motor voter and ACORN-style fraudulent registration give Democrats a huge pool of voters that don’t exist that can “vote” as the Party wants. If you’re a Democrat urban apparatchik, the best voter is one who doesn’t exist at all, the second best is one you’re certain doesn’t live in the district. You just mark ballots for them and put them in the pile where you control the polling places, e.g., urban/black districts, some college districts. If you don’t control the polling places, e.g., suburbs, you just load up the van with voters, give them a name to vote under and vote early and often. This is why Democrats are so opposed to voter picture ID.
At the risk of sounding like I belong to the tinfoil hat crowd, I do suspect that voter fraud is a bigger problem out there than the media & politicians on both sides of the aisle are willing to admit. It baffles me that the establishment Republicans & those who work for them don’t seem to want to delve into this further. Perhaps they think it’s tinfoil hat stuff too.
As do Lonnie Wild, Jim Harrison, Random Engineer … before they ever sit down to write another word, or say another thing about anything, to anyone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TbA5ab18SCo#!
May 2013 be the year your minds ascend to adulthood.
You racist gringos have no future. There will never be another white, conservative, capitalist in the White House.
You lazy, fat, pathetic gringos with white skin and blue eyes are dying off. You will be a minority by 2043. The era of gringo exploitation of the indigenous peoples of Aztlan is rapidly coming to an end.
If you English speaking invaders and occupiers of Aztlan know what is good for you, you will go back to where you came from. Get out. Get out of our land. Go back to Europe. Go back to England, Germany, Italy, Ireland, Russia, Poland… This is our homeland. You don’t belong here. Get out.
We will take back the Southwest — which you stole from us — by demography. By 2030, at the latest, we will be an absolute and growing majority in Aztlan. We will take back what is rightfully ours. You English speaking invaders and occupiers of Aztlan don’t stand a chance.
You racist gringos are aging, shrinking and dying. Soon you will be a minority. Then we will outnumber you…
LMAO!
You’re either a great comedian or the angriest little indigenous person in the West! Cute!
Either way, you’re as funny as those idiots that claim they’re “native,” yet have Spanish blood! Bwahahahahaha!!!!
Thanks for brightening up my Sunday AM!
Whatcha know! Ol’ Pancho Villa is back. Sure, let’s give you another continent to F-up. Practice makes perfect.
That’s funny right there, I don’t care who you are; that funny!!! – Larry the Cable Guy.
La Raza proposes to take back the southwest through “demography” (aka procreation). Radical Muslims propose to take Europe the same way.
Characteristic of ignorant firebrands in general, La Raza doesn’t know that his people and “racist gringos” belong to the same race.
Mexico has run for decades (probably close to a century by now) on graft and corruption.
Maybe la raza can help bring that wonderful governance to these United States. Actually, LR, we’re pretty far along already.
Well, not so fast. You Pajama Peepers can laugh at La Raza’s rant, but for those of you considering “seceding” from the United States by “taking over” Texas and starting your own “Republic”…welcome to your potential NEW neighbor, who will invade you, rape you, plunder you, and oh yeah, Obama’s USAF drones will finish the job of whatevers’ left of you. Mexico can take you. So I guess you pajama gringos aren’t going anywhere after all.
Many Mexicans, as you point out, are in fact very caucasian. My best friend, who was born and raised in Mexico City has red hair, blue eyes … and is Jewish! Spanish is her first language. This “Gringo” “La Raza” dichotomy isn’t very useful because it isn’t at all realistic.
Race is a social construct. You should know that Cynical Wonder. It’s a construct/concept that white people created during the Victorian Era so they could feel good about themselves. Mention “race” in a place like Morocco (many descendants of Spaniards/Vandals/Vikings/Romans/Africans), and you will get funny looks. There are North Africans with red hair and green eyes, as well as dark black skin and brown eyes. Practically every family there would be considered multi-racial here. America “needed” this disease called race and racism to justify slavery, discrimination, the bell curve, etc. I’m an African-American and I enjoy living overseas.
I’m so happy for you that you are living overseas. Won’t you be inviting all your friends and families to join you? Hope so. There are many ethnicities in these United States of America: Italian, Greek, Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, Irish, English, German, Japanese, Spanish, French, etc. It seems it’s only the African-Americans who are screaming about racism. Tell me of a current example of racism in the US today. Hmmm? No response? Thought so.
Can I assist your friends and relatives to join you?
I see you have managed to somehow slither out from beneath your rock yet again to give the forum something to laugh about.
Another tantrum from my gay lover.
He is mad that I made him wear his Che Guevara beret to bed last night and nothing else.
He is not Puro Varrio, he is coconut from the suburbs. His dad is an insurance adjuster and his mom works for SEIU.
The funniest thing about your comment is your lack of historical knowledge. Let’s say it’s 2043, and the gringos go back to Europe. What do you think this country will look like economically, socially, financially, politically, etc., etc.? Is there another country that you can point to that may reflect what this country will look like? Maybe Mexico, Maybe Pre-WWII Germany, Mao’s country, Africa? I challenge you to do your homework and answer this question. The jokes on you, dumby.
Respectfully.
Given my heritage I should know this, but how do you say “douche bag” in espanol?
Back when I was a kid, trolling MEANT something.
Regaining dominance in northern suburbia is the GOP’s best path to victory.
The emergence of a highly articulate, unable to be swayed by Beltway BS cadre of intelligent spokespeople is “the GOP’s best path to victory”.
Individuals driven only by personal integrity and unrelenting common sense.
I’m not holding my breath.
“New Jersey, which is dominated by the overflow of population from New York City and Philadelphia, is the most heavily suburban state in the nation. A shorthand way of measuring the Republican Party’s progress in courting the suburbs will be to simply watch the Garden State.”
You’re kidding me, right? Obama won New Jersey with 58% of the vote, with Romney getting only 40% of the vote (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/election-map-2012/president/). You can’t really say that this was because Obama came here because of hurricane Sandy, because ANY president would have come here because of hurricane Sandy, regardless of the political party. And our governor is a Republican and supported Romney and campaigned for him, yet Romney still only got 40% of the vote in New Jersey.
The only major reason why Christie got elected here was because his predecessor, Corzine, was an inept fraud who bankrupted the state by promising the public unions just about everything they wanted. The people in New Jersey knew that we were going broke and had to do something about it. That is why Corzine lost, because the state simply could not afford the corruption coming from the Democratic machine anymore. But to think that New Jersey was going to magically trend Republican just because Christie was president was always a pipe dream. This is a very liberal state and I doubt it will turn Republican anytime in the near future. The re-election of Bob Menendez as senator from New Jersey, perhaps the most liberal member in Congress, should prove that in spades.
So what are the Republicans to do? Well, I said this on the day after Romney lost. The problem with the Republican party is that it is too smart. That’s right, the leaders of the Republican party (as well as the RINOs out there) really and honestly believed that by treating the American people like adults and explaining to them why the national debt and deficit are bad, people would actually vote for them. Long explanations on why high taxes are bad for growth and why a big bloated Federal bureaucracy are bad for taxpayers also went over really big too with the general public, right? And to try and explain to the legions of people out there that either make money off of the government by working for it or who get a check from it (either in the form of Social Security, Food Stamps, unemployment, Obamacare, whatever) that the secret to our success is to reduce the amount of government spending, thereby putting their pay or pension checks in danger, wasn’t much of a winner of an argument, either. Sure, it made perfect financial sense, but when you are making money off of the government, that really doesn’t matter. All you want are for the checks to keep rolling in.
So what was the problem? The “low-information” voter. You know, the morons out there. The people who get all of their “news” from Jon Stewart, David Letterman, Jay Leno, Colbert, the Daily Kos, MoveOn.org, Media Matters, the Huffington Post, and maybe (and even this is a stretch these days) the mainstream media.
There is a huge reason why Obama did not have a major press conference for 8 months prior to the election. He did, though, go on shows like The View, The Daily Show, David Letterman, the Tonight Show, and (my personal favorite) “The Pimp with a Limp” radio show in Florida. Think about that. A sitting president of the United States went on a show called the “Pimp with a Limp.” Well, I guess if you’re going to sell yourself like a common whore, what better show to go on than one called “The Pimp with a Limp?”
Face it, most voters in this country are as dumb as a box of rocks. If you want to read a great book about just how far our public educational system has fallen in this country (especially in places like Detroit), read Mark Steyn’s “After America.” We now have a wicked combination where almost 50% of this country is either making money off of the government through jobs or is getting a check from the government for some other reason (such as Social Security or food stamps, to name but a few). Add to that the fact that America has been sufficiently “dumbed-down” by both the mainstream media and a corrupt and inefficient public school system, and you can see why Romney didn’t stand a chance. Heck, I’m surprised Romney got about 48% of the national vote.
And remember, folks, Obama won even though the real unemployment rate was well over 8% (if you factor in all the part-time workers who wanted full-time jobs). Also, the economy still stinks and he actually ran on a platform of raising taxes. Yet he still won. Why is that? The low-information voter and the low-information voter getting checks from the government. Even TIME magazine, who made Obama “Man of the Year,” said that one of the reasons they chose him was because of all the low-information voters Obama brought into “the process” of voting. Yes, that and a supportive mainstream media, a Hollywood that would love to go to bed with him, and a boatload of government checks and benefits will do wonders for your chances of getting re-elected.
Republicans have to come to grips with the fact that 2016 will be won on television and in the mass media. It will be won on shows like The Daily Show and David Letterman. The ignorant fools who base their votes on such programs like The View are not going to be swayed by arguments against Keynesian economics or rants against socialism. These voters are going to want Obamaphones, more Obamacare, more food stamps, more subsidized housing and student loans, more of just about everything, and the political party that gives it to them while being praised by the mainstream media and get the low-information vote. Simple as that.
Always remember that George W. Bush sold himself as a “Compassionate Conservative,” which meant that he just spent money at a slower rate than a liberal Democrat. Bush got elected to two terms in office. Doesn’t this tell you something about where the Republican party is headed? And now you have people like Rubio and Christie and Jindal saying that we have to have a better job of “explaining” conservatism to voters to get elected. That’s just a code word for saying that we have to re-assure the public that we won’t stop their checks from coming in and that we will only spend money a little slower than the liberals in Congress.
Give me a break. The days of Ronald Reagan are long gone. The only way a real conservative like Rand Paul or Allen West will get elected President is if the country goes as bankrupt as Greece and the people are totally out of other options. Maybe that’s where we’re headed and that’s what we need to get our enormous debt back under control. All I know is, if you want to “explain” conservatism to the low-information voters out there who now make up the majority of the electorate, then you’re NOT going to do it by having an adult conversation with the American public. You do it by pandering to them on shows like The View and trying to convince those harpies that you’re no major threat to the liberal establishment or to government paychecks. That and you go on shows like “The Pimp with a Limp.”
No, that was not the problem.
The problem was the deliberate and incessant way the GOP base demeaned and insulted minority and female voters. When only 72% of the voters are white, the GOP can’t afford to alienate nonwhite voters.
But it did. The obvious nativist attitude of the GOP base (search PJ Media for all the posts extolling those Americans of “White European descent”) drove away not only Hispanics of Latin American origin but even many Cubans in Florida.
And the number of gaffes the GOP made to alienate the single female vote is quite long: “Slut,” “legitimate rape….shut that whole thing down….” (If you’re upset that some woman wants the government to pay for her birth control, then call her a “moocher.” But don’t call her a “slut,” because that’s an attack on her lifestyle, which is independent of who pays for her birth control.)
The basic problem is that the GOP base–older white heterosexual married folks–has turned inward. It’s no longer interested in reaching out to other folks who don’t look like them or who live a different lifestyle than they do. And as those other folks grow in numbers, they are increasingly able to outvote the older white heterosexual married folks.
The problem was the deliberate and incessant way the GOP base demeaned and insulted minority and female voters.
Gee I missed all that debasement and demeaning.
Limbaugh’s “slut” characterization of the idiot Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke lying about the cost of contraception in order to engage in willy nilly sex (no pun intended) was done in humor.
But you had to have a sense of irony to get that.
The couple of republican guys running for office who made dumb remarks about rape and so forth were cringeworthy, but hardly representative of “the GOP” in general.
Actually, you didn’t miss it. Like a fish, conservatives and republicans live in it and breath it. It’s so normal to you that you don’t even think about it.
Everywhere you looked on conservative and republican sites acros the net, you were attacking and demonizing 147 million Americans on a daily basis…each and every day …for years. …thn, you wonder why they didn’t vote for you? You wonder why election day was such a surprise?
The party of Reagan gave up on treating other human beings as if they were human beings. You’ve basically accused 147 million American citizens of not being worthy of the American Dream. It isn’t about race, even.
Then, when you wre in powr, you gave themteh DHS, the TSA and The Patriot Act and told the rest of us to like it, or else, when what you did was to institute a police state in all but name. (Yes, Obamacare institutes a tyranny in all but name, but we’re talking about Republican screw us,here.)
according to you and others like you, it’s everyone else’s fault but your own that you’re sitting on the outside looking in. So much for the responsible party, the accountable party and the adults in the room.
Romney wasn’t your problem. Your problem is looking back at you in your bathroom mirror.
Warren, to moronic left-wing loons like you and Sinz who merely parrot Democratic talking points and never, ever, come up with an original idea, you really need to take a break and do a little reading (assuming you CAN read something other than the tripe that’s sold on places like the Daily Kos or the Huffington Post). Guess what, pal, the first major amnesty given to illegal aliens in this country happened under (wait for it) the Ronald Reagan administration. Remember that one? Oh, and how much “good will” did that get the Republican party? Oh, that’s right, NOT MUCH!! You fool, you can’t out-bid people who make it their business in life to give away free government money and benefits to anyone with their hand out, which has always been the Democrats.
Democrats have always promised a bigger and more generous welfare state and they have proved that in spades under the Obama administration. Like a “stimulus” that stimulated only union jobs in Democratic states, or picking winners and losers in business by investing in money-losing propositions like GM, Solyndra, and the Wind industry, Democrats are willing to promise anything to anybody for a vote. As for who gets stuck with the bill, well pal, that’s YOUR problem when the bill comes due. And in places like Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland, and Portugal, when the bill finally did come due, the results were pretty bad indeed.
But to dicks like you that doesn’t matter at all. Nope, bring the whole world in and have them feed off of the Federal government. Heck, it only means more votes for the Democrats if we just promise these people whatever they want. And if that means raising YOUR taxes to pay for THEIR benefits, then so be it. You have to break a few eggs to make an omlette, right? You fool.
And as for this “War on women” that was totally manufactured by Obama and his minions. Last time I checked, women could still get abortion on demand and as much contraception as they wanted. Oh, but I forgot. The only difference now is that the liberals and the Democrats (well, what really is the difference) want YOU to pay for it. Wow, I need a new car. I really need it to make me a happy and healthy human being and for my job, meaning that it really is MY basic human right to have a new car. So will you buy one for me? No? Well then you’re a selfish S.O.B. that’s waging a war against the working man, and that’s me. See how all this works? Not that dirtbags like you would ever care. No, you’re too busy demanding even more benefits and goodies from Washington.
So if you want or even desire that the Federal government live within its means, have a balanced budget (which most states are REQUIRED to do), are for legal immigration, and maybe would prefer to see fewer babies killed and more of an emphasis placed on life rather than automatically opting for death, then I guess you’re anti-female protectionist bigot that hates foreigners and is determined to cut off all benefits to poor people who are living in the streets. And the mere fact that the Federal budget has literally exploded over the past for years paying for increased benefits to just about everyone, and the creation of Obamacare guarantees women free abortions and free contraception all on the government’s dime, really has no bearing on your warped opinions.
So eat dirt and live. If anything, the next four years will be a great time for being an illegal alien living in this country, especially if you’re a female illegal alien. You will get a wide range of benefits, your offspring will automatically become an American citizen, you will qualify for welfare AND food stamps, you will get free public school education for your already grown kids, and if the “Dream Act” becomes a reality, you will also eventually get amnesty and become an American citizen for coming here illegally. And all you have to do in return is to vote Democratic in the next election. What’s not to love?
Like Rush Limbaugh said, it’s hard to beat Santa Claus.
You’ve been thoroughly brainwashed and trot out the knee jerk clichés as if they were a second skin.
you were attacking and demonizing 147 million Americans on a daily basis…each and every day …for years. …thn, you wonder why they didn’t vote for you?… You’ve basically accused 147 million American citizens of not being worthy of the American Dream.
What in hell are you talking about ? Only a total of about 120 million people even voted in the past election, with only about a 3 million differential between official votes for Romney and official votes for Obama.
hen, when you wre in powr, you gave themteh DHS, the TSA and The Patriot Act
Lost some letters ?
The Patriot Act has been re-upped in every Congress, republican AND democrat. Actually, powers for potential federal intrusion into your life (wiretaps etc.) have been increased under Obama. And speaking of a police state, DHS under Big Sis Staff Sergeant Napolitano has been ramped up and the TSA has been unionized. Very hard to fire the jerks once they’ve been unionized.
Our problem is you and your vast numbers of fellow useful idiots, bonesteel.
libertyship — And as for this “War on women” that was totally manufactured by Obama and his minions.
The interesting thing here that you need to deal with is that this “manufactured war” resonated.
Let’s stipulate that you’re correct, that Obama pushed the war on women button and there was nothing to fear.
So… how does that button pushing work, precisely? If there’s nothing to fear than all the button pushing in the world ought to provoke zip. e.g. Obama could have pressed the alien invasion button. Do you think that the public would have reacted in fear of invasion? Of course not. They would have simply ignored it.
But the Obama campaign — according to you — pushed the war on women button, which — according to you — was manufactured. And yet it resonated. Women everywhere felt there was something to fear, else the button press could not have worked. Not once. Not ever.
So. How did that work?
How does that work, randomengineer? You should know that by now. If you repeat a lie long enough, people start to believe it. The Nazis were experts at that and the liberals learned their lessons well from them. All you need to do is set up a straw man and keep beating it like a pinata. And when you have the mainstream media carrying your water for you and not challenging any of these bogus accusations, you get the low-information voters out there really believing it. Add in a sprinkle of Hollywood airheads parroting these lies, especially with Obama on their shows, and THAT is how a lie becomes reality. It’s called propaganda and has been around as long as there have been newspapers. And when you have a willing media that will lap up everything the White House says without even questioning it, that propaganda becomes the new reality. George Orwell would have been horrified at the mainstream media today. Then again, he predicted it.
That’s how it works. Class is over. Now what are YOU going to do about it, spread more lies? That’s what I’ve come to expect from people like you. But, hey, remember what I said. All you have to do is repeat it long enough and somebody will believe you, especially the low-information voters.
libertyship — And when you have [tinfoil -- ed.] you get the low-information voters out there really believing it.
Ah, the low information voters thing, i.e. they’re stupid and/or ignorant. It never occurs to you that others can look at what you see and conclude differently? It’s certainly a lot simpler to believe that others are lacking brain cells or morals or knowledge or TRVTH. That’s a lame and lazy conclusion — i.e. “voters are easily swayed cuz they dumb but not me, no sir, why I’m speshul and propaganda can’t work on me, I’m smart!” — but it’s what I’ve come to expect from you.
Try some other argument, one that doesn’t rely on your self-claimed superiority, one that makes objective and measurable sense.
I did make a good argument, random, you’re just to stupid to read it, let alone acknowledge and understand it. You put the “low” in low-information voters. Talking to brain-dead liberals like you is like spitting in the wind. There really is no point to it. Hope you like your government checks! Enjoy them while they last, which will be about 2016 when the money finally does run out. Why don’t you try getting a life. I’m sure Obama will find you the money for one.
Limbaugh [snip] Fluke [snip] The couple of republican guys running for office who made dumb remarks about rape and so forth were cringeworthy, but hardly representative of “the GOP” in general.
You’re seeing these things as unrelated points whereas the voting public saw anti-female statements like these as fitting with the general anti-immigrant and anti-gay sentiment. Look at *all* of these things from a systems POV and the picture painted is that the GOP is home to judgemental douchebags wrapped up in minor social concerns and not paying attention to the important stuff. Romney was clearly trying to articulate the important stuff, but his campaign was effectively drowned by this nonsense.
If were able to have a peek at the internals of the NSA’s Raptor snoop machinery etc then you’d probably see a trend where Romney is on target but the “buzz” is dominated by that which is off-target. i.e. Romney says something useful and important about jobs but this is swamped by Limbaugh’s blather; Romney says something critical about energy and this is ignored for 10 days because the mindspace was overloaded with “dumb remarks about rape” from clowns.
The Romney campaign very carefully avoided concentrating on any and all social issues, yet — thanks to those outside the campaign — these still dominated the national discussion, the Romney economic message was swamped, and the rest is in the history books.
By and large Bonesteel is mostly correct, at least in vector.
Oh God, randomengineer and bonesteel in the same thread.
I think I may have a meltdown.
It’s a lot more fun when you reply to the substance and don’t dive right into the ad-hom world. The fact that you do indicates you have no argument. You don’t have the ability to win a debate with me and you know it.
Loser.
Randomthought, I’ve engaged you before in so called debate.
And have recognized you as a diehard who, when defeated, skulks away only to reappear at some future point, spouting very nearly the same talking points that had already been shown to be full of holes.
Thus “debating” you is a waste of time.
Although your indignation is cute.
Notice how they resort to name calling when anyone, anywhere, says anything they don’t like. Which, from their pov, is supposed to be the purview of the lefties. The lefties, you see, are spreading the hatred. Not them!
The left does the same thing.
Because I disagree with the right on a few issues, they think I’m a left winger.
To the lefties, because I disagre with them on a few issues, I’m a right-wing extremist…at best. (Abortion is murder. Gun control is tyranny.)
Both sides think that they, alone, are on the side of the angels. God walks wth them and with no other.
otoh, the folks on the right keep proving my earlier point. I agree with them on any number of issues. I disagree with them on most SoCon issues and on some foreign policy issues. I disagree with them on budget issues. (Everything needs to be cut, including the military budget. A supposedly small government, fiscally responsible party thinks that’s heresy.)
The attacks on me on this board only prove my earlier point on this thread.
If you use vitriol and ad homs to personally attack me, why and when in the hell should I ever vote for you or your policies?
Freedom or death, to paraphrase Mr. Henry.
Your house is burning, America. One side poured the gasoline and the other lit the match.
“Everywhere you looked on conservative and republican sites acros the net, you were attacking and demonizing 147 million Americans on a daily basis…each and every day …for years. …thn, you wonder why they didn’t vote for you? You wonder why election day was such a surprise?
The party of Reagan gave up on treating other human beings as if they were human beings. You’ve basically accused 147 million American citizens of not being worthy of the American Dream. It isn’t about race, even.”
Hey Warren, the above quote is from your earlier post on this thread. This is the major reason why I loathe, despise, and detest jerks like you. You make a statement insulting people, implying that just because they disagree with you then they are bigoted racists, and then you turn around with self-righteous indignation and condemn people for having the temerity to defend themselves against people like you who insult them.
It’s a common tactic of the left. Insult people, call them names, and when they answer you back then call them more names even though YOU were the one who insulted them. Quite frankly, I don’t know why PJ Media stands for it, but I sure as heck don’t have to stand for it.
Here’s a little tip for 2013, Warren. People like me are going to be your worst enemy. Why? Because we’re not going to take your lies and insults anymore. If the election of 2012 taught us anything, it’s that if you’re going to win you have to be as nasty and play as dirty as the Obama Democrats. Republicans have always wanted to “Take the high Road” when it came to political debate. But to scum like you and the thugs that now operate the Democratic party, civil political discourse went out the window back in 2008 with Obama. Remember when anybody, ANYBODY, who disagreed with Obama was called a racist by Obama and his minions, not to mention the mainstream media?
Sorry, civility only makes you a loser in politics today. And people like Dole, McCain, and Romney are proof of that. While they wanted to be civil and have an honest discussion with the American People, the Democrats tore them apart for being “Old, out-of-touch, bigoted, racists,” and just about any other thing they could dream up. And with the low-information voters out there being spoon-fed propaganda by the mainstream media, it wasn’t that hard to convince them that they were right.
So, Warren, kiss off and disappear. I could care less what jerks like you think about Republicans, let alone conservatism, which you probably know as much about as you do about fornication. The only way Republicans are going to win is by taking this fight to the Democrats, like the late Andrew Breitbart did. He knew that the only way to win was to beat the Democrats at their own game. He was a visionary and its about time we pay more attention to what he had to say.
I was once accused by one of my union adversaries of having gone to “The Nathan Bedford Forrest School of Management.” He thought it was an insult; I thought it was a compliment. One of Forrest’s maxims was “Hit ‘em where they ain’t.” They ain’t in the 30 states with Republican governors and they ain’t in the rural and small city areas of the formerly industrial Mid-west of the Northern Plains. If we hold on to what we have and make effective forays into the Rust Belt/Frost Belt, we can win the Presidency in ’16 – if there’s an election in ’16 anyway.
The way to win in the Rust Belt/Frost Belt is to reach some rapprochement with the Religious Right/SoCon constitutency and with “labor.” The reason I put labor in quotes is that I don’t mean organized labor; there’s nothing a Republican can do to get the support of the AFL-CIO or the NEA, now both effectively communist front groups. I mean private and third sector hourly workers, many of whom are former union members who’ve been made insecure or shuffled out of good jobs because of down-sizing, streamlining, off-shoring and all that Biz School Whiz Kid stuff that Republicans are held to be so identified with.
Single women and one Helluva lot of married women too simply will not consider voting for a Republican because abortion and birth control issues. We’ve carried the water for the anti-abortion movement since Roe and it has destroyed the Party in upscale suburbs Nationwide. The author is right that we lost the election in the suburbs of cities that for over a century were the bulwark of Republicanism. The first white Republicans I ever met were Wife v. 1.0′s parents, transplanted Pennsylvanians living in suburban Atlanta. We lost the upscale suburbs because of stupid remarks about abortion, rape, and birth control. The majority of Americans don’t hew the NARAL line on abortion but the practicing adult female doesn’t want to be told that she has to carry a child to term if she’s not in a place in her life to do so, and that applies if she’s married or single. And the majority of practicing adult couples don’t want to be told that they can’t get their sixteen year old daugher an abortion either. I too believe that any abortion is the taking of an innocent life, but if either of my daughters had become pregnant while still my dependent we’d have been on the next plane to Seattle and I’d have had the moral conversation with God. First trimester abortion is a question best answered on Judgement Day, not in courts and legislatures. I think a National consensus can be reached on that position.
Regaining the “Reagan Democrat” in the Rust Belt/Frost Belt is another matter. If we knew we needed to carry some of the Rust Belt to have a prayer of winning, why in Hell do we nominate some Goddamned banker? The reason the attacks on Romney’s “private equity” past were so effective is that one Helluva lot of voters in states we needed to carry think, in some cases justifiably, that they’re struggling in a low-wage job because of venture capitalists and Biz School Whiz Kids. Memo to file: mebbe we don’t nominate another one.
We are the Party of small business, tradespeople, non-government/non-union labor, rural and small town and city people, Main Street in other words. Big business and Wall Street are the enemy of Main Street and we need to change the fact that the Republican Party is so firmly associated in the minds of the electorate with big business, Wall Street, and the rich.
A lot of those people we need to get in the Rust Belt/Frost Belt used to be union and while they may not have shared their union’s politics, they think they lived better union. A lot of those people we need to get are living comfortably in Florida retirement because of a union job. A lot of those people we need to get in upscale suburbs got the college education that got them there because dad worked a union job. We need to figure out how to oppose the modern public employee dominated, mostly communist union movement without laying ourselves open to charges of being just anti-worker, a charge that resonates in places we need to carry. I would suggest that we confine our efforts to reining in public employee unionization and reining in the political activities of unions using dues money, something that is already illegal but nobody, including the 30 Republican governors is doing anything about.
And finally, we need to find a better method of candidate selection at all levels. That hail fellow well met from the Rotary Club really hasn’t a prayer against some special interest group lawyer or an Alinsky disciple community organizer or union rep. We need to close our primaries! Actually, I’d like to go back to caucus selection, but then I’m an arrogant SOB. But maybe we split the difference between primary and caucus and use a caucus or committee structure to determine whether somebody can run as a Republican in the primary. The business of any jackass that wants to call him/herself a Republican and running as such has caused us some serious embarassment. I dunno, but we need to think of something.
Anyway, I’m old, I’m tired, and I don’t want to be the reviled figure standing athwart history yelling NO anymore, but I wish somebody would so I could just tend my vegetables.
I’m female, I’m educated, I’m a single-mother (recent), I’m an independent thinker, I had a harley, a kayak and scuba gear, I’m a libertarian, I’ve had an abortion, I’m now on medicaid, I’m NOT A VICTIM. I voted for Romney. I don’t think I’ve been attacked as a woman. Those that do, I believe have a victim mentality and feel they have no control over their lives or that others have too much control. I will pull up my bootstraps and get on with my life and take responsibility for myself and my son. I’m so tired of people blaming everyone else and look to the government to solve all of their problems. Isn’t it ironic that so many individuals look to the government to solve the problems of their lives, their world. How about being the change you want to see, and solve your own problems in your life and in your world. Don’t you understand that when you involve your government it is an expensive proposition in both civil liberties and taxes to say the least? Do you understand when your civil liberties are eroded and the dollars of your labor is stolen (via taxes), it is considered slavery? African Americans I expected you to see right through the governments ruse from both the democrats and republicans. Do you really think they are concerned about you? Don’t you know that they are only buying your vote, and trying to divide this country? All (Dems and Repub) of them are corrupt. We need to come together and oust all of them and bring back our rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Do not be afraid.
I like your thinking, Naturalist.
Happy New Year
I think the Republicans on the national (ie. federal) level are a lost cause. They have been conspiring with the Dems for YEARS against conservatives and the Constitution. They too, like open borders which GWB left open for 8 years in spite of 9/11 on his watch. They passed TARP, the prescription drug benefit, and the dreadful NCLB, which is really a leave no liberal teacher behind act.
So let’s go where the Republicans have a chance, that is on the state and local level. We have seen progress in both Wisconsin, the birth place of progressiveism, and Michigan with curbs on unionism. So donate to National Right to Work organization. We need to pick off Ohio and Pennsylanvia, among others.
We desparately need voter fraud prevention and voter roll clean up. Support voter ID laws and voter roll clean up efforts with True the Vote. I know Barack “bought” a lot of votes with welfare, food stamps, disability, and federal jobs by hiring a mountain of regulators. But, I still have to think that voter fraud played a major roll in big cities dominated by liberals. And its must be clear that voting is restricted to citizens. Non citizens voting should be subject to felony laws and severe penalties.
Pressure your Republican Governors and legislators to open up college campuses to conservative professors and conservative lecturers. If they’re taking public money, they must be made to support “diversity” of opinion; not just the liberal slant. They seem to only want diversity when it comes to skin color. Support conservative groups on college campuses. We MUST reach the young people and show them how they are going to pay a heavy price for all the debt for the rest of their working lives.
On abortion, I think we should change tactics. And this will also facilitate recruiting more young people. We should champion making abortion safe. Show the horrors of the abortion mills that have ruined young women. Let’s make the abortion centers meet hospital standards. Let’s pile on the rules and regulations to make abortion expensive.
Support school vouchers. We all need to escape the liberal education plantation. The schools are not teaching, but indoctrinating. If your’re wealthy, sponsor scholarships to private schools.
We need to turn a few more light red and purple states to a veto proof legislature and governorships. So donate to these state organizations.
I wrote this on RedState in March of 2009 under the title of Defending the Republican Homeland:
The real Homeland: the state and local governments where we still govern. Right now at the National level we have no airspeed, no altitude, and no ideas. It’s going to be a while before we fly nationally. But, we do still govern about half the states and a lot of local governments. So, how do we defend this homeland?
First, a Republican officeholder in a safely Red state must understand that the fact that s/he has a good hold on his office doesn’t really mean much any more. Every office has been nationalized and that rag-tag band of greenies or union organizers that you could safely ignore in the past now have almost unlimited funds and the full power of the federal government behind them. So, here’s a to-do list for Red state officeholders.
Take out the trash! Get the holdover Democrats out of your government! Most state and local governments were either built by Democrats or model the federal government, which was built by Democrats. No Republican could find enough loyal competent Republicans to fill all the political appointments in a Democrat built government so they put their friends in the visible places and in places where they really need change and otherwise leave the government in the hands of Democrats. Then they wonder why they’re constantly leaked, thwarted, and sabotaged. Now, when that Republican got elected, some “friend” told him/her that he couldn’t fire too many people because it would be too disruptive and the government had to be kept running smoothly. That is an outright lie! The very hardest thing you could try to do is to stop a government from running. The only thing that was threatened with disruption was that “friend’s” contact list in the bureaucracy. Fire everybody that you have a colorable legal right to fire, and a few extra just to show you can; God and the courts can sort it out. The left/media will whine and snivel about how the heartless Republicans savaged these dedicated public servants and they’ll probably have somebody’s wife with cancer who just lost her health insurance on the 6 PM news the night you do it. It’ll all be lies but in this game lies are better than the truth if you can get fools to believe them. You just stay the course, say you’re going in a new direction, and let them bleat and wail. The news cycle is very short and it won’t be long before a car chase, a missing baby, or a celebrity sex scandal chases those selfless former public servants off the news.
Don’t be coy about this and use Gov. Palin’s root canal over “Troopergate” as your what not to do manual. The rule for true political appointees is “any reason, no reason, but not an illegal reason.” No reason is best; just say you’re going in a new direction and you’re putting in a new management scheme. And DON’T SAY ANYTHING ELSE! Every single wrongful or constructive discharge involving a high level employee I ever lost, I lost because somebody in management said to somebody, “I’m going to get that SOB.”
Positions are better left vacant than filled with holdover Democrats; the ‘crats will keep it running just because it is easier to keep it running than to restart it if it is stopped. Governments run IN SPITE OF political appointees, not because of them. Most governments have a tool called “acting status” with which you can give the highest career ‘crat something like the pay of the fired appointee. They’ll appreciate it and appreciative people tend towards loyalty.
Use your limited supply of loyal competent Republicans to control the money, people, and stuff of the government and to run the places where you most need change. Do NOT put the general counsel of a horse breeding association in charge of a major function because he is a good ole boy who raised some money for somebody! You’ll have enough trouble without defending incompetence. Likewise, friends’ kids may be fine for decorating high-level offices but don’t give them real jobs!
Get unwired! Immediately prohibit all but de minimis personal use of government electronic resources such as computers, faxes, phones, PDAs, etc. and give notice that employees have no expectation of privacy in their use of such resources. A blanket prohibition is pointless; your employees are going to take calls from their kids and get the grocery list by email; let them do it but the price is their grocery list, or the date they made, is a public record. Put the best bad thoughts and bandwidth monitors you can buy on your IT systems and fire a few people for porn and gambling. Make smoke and noise doing it and you won’t have to do many. This won’t stop your employees from cc’ing their favorite reporter with a copy of a letter or memo, but it will make it harder for that reporter to use the leaked document. He’ll be forced to ask for it under your pubic records law so he has a legal copy to use, so you’ll know about the leak before you read it on the front page and can take necessary steps.
Stow the Blackberries! Direct your management that there will be no discussion of personnel or policy by email. Even cell phones are dangerous if you have powerful enemies; there are some really good scanners out there. Again using Gov. Palin as an example of what not to do, the private account dodge is just that, a dodge and the only advantage it has is that it is easier to delete files. The fact that you deleted files is probably more damning than the files themselves, so bear that in mind. If you are a public officer, however you do the public’s business is the public’s business, and your stuff will come out. The best rule is to never put anything in an email that you don’t want to read on the front page of the paper that hates you most.
Stop the memos. You want trusted advisors and you make decisions in face to face or telephonic meetings with them. Briefing memos and decision memos are for leaking and for covering people’s butts. Nobody takes notes in your meetings and nobody writes one of those “set out my understanding of your decision” cover your butt memos after the meeeting. The only time one of these memos gets written is when YOU want to leave it on a copier to spread disinformation.
Control the money. Most of the federal money you get is aimed at some Democrat constituency; always remember that you’re feeding the hand that bites you. Hire yourself a very good, non-political government accountant and listen to her! Republican officials are going to be under attack by federal auditors and investigators for the forseeable future; you don’t want to give them anything to work with. Just understand, that it is almost impossible to fully comply, so if you get a disallowance or some beef with them, just buck up; you don’t have the power to call your Senator and get them off your back anymore. Fire some of your friends. Because they had untrammelled power for fifty years, most of the ways that Democrats steal are nominally legal. Republicans have to steal the old fashioned way and some do. They’re usually pretty hamfisted about it and get caught; fire them and move on. If Duke Cunningham had been a Democrat, he’d have just set up a bunch of non-profits, earmarked a bunch of money to them, and had a good accountant who made sure his piece got raked off. He’d now be a respected multi-millionaire Senator instead of a convicted felon.
The other side of your being straight with the money, is that you can make the other guys be straight with the money. You are feeding all sorts of non-profits that hate you. Your government through its labor, education, health and so-called services, and environmental conservation departments, and others sometimes, is giving grants and contracts to the people who hate you and work against you every day. Find out who runs every outfit that you give a grant or contract to and cross reference who they contribute to and what political jobs they’ve had. You’ll probably find a goodly number of those Democrat holdovers you just fired working for them. You can’t just take away their grants and contracts because they’re a Democrat front, but you can make their lives interesting.
Audit all your contracts and grants! Make them file their reports; most can’t. They’ve never had to account for their expenditures, so they don’t usually have systems that allow them to keep adequate expenditure records. This is true of unions also, but that is another game and another diary. No expenditure and performance reports, no money! That’ll take them a while to overcome. Some of them will have been outright stealling, put some in jail. If it is fed money, turn them over to USDOJ. DOJ won’t do anything to them in a Democrat administration but you can rail about that, too. Just for the record, DOJ won’t do anything in a Republican administration either unless it is seven figures or somebody a holdover prosecutor really doesn’t like.
Do the work with government employees. I know this is anathema to Republicans, but Republicans got beaten in the outsourcing game. The Rs drove the out-sourcing iniatives and the Ds fought it but lost. The Rs thought the game was over. The Ds just set up non-profits and picked up the outsourced work. Government employees are usually little or no more expensive if all costs are considered and you can control them and keep them mostly out of politics. You have almost no control over a contractor’s employees.
Watch the stuff. Stealing stuff is easier than stealing money and corruption in government procurement has been legendary since time immemorial. The Egytians probably had miles of papyrus scrolls setting out the procurement codes. Fundamentally some poorly trained, poorly paid nameless, faceless procurement specialist or contract officer is tasked with dealing with some of the richest, most powerful, and most corrupt people in your state or city. His temptations are at least as great as those of the narcs and vice cops, and we know they’re all honest, don’t we? Keep a sharp eye on your procurement people. If they’re living beyond their means, they probably have other means and understand, it may well be one of your friends and contributers who is providing those other means. Put somebody in jail.
This is of necessity only bright colors and broad strokes. There are specialists out there who know the details. Republicans need to hire them and listen to them. We must be Caesar’s wife so BHO’s minions can’t put us in jail or perp walk our friends and supporters. The added benefit of our being Caesar’s wife, is we can force the Democrat front groups to be Caesar’s wife and THEY CAN’T DO IT! They require graft and corruption to live. Clean it up and they can’t live – and that’s a good thing.
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Not sure many of the fundamentalist Christians showed up to vote thinking they were not pleased with a Mormon in office. Anyone have any stats on this?
I wish it were that simple:
“As predicted in a pre-election Pew polls and elsewhere, traditional Catholics and evangelicals seem to have repeated their 2004 high water of support for the Republican presidential nominee. Exit polls showed that white evangelicals, who were 26 percent of total voters, rehashed their 2004 level of support for George W. Bush, supporting Romney by 79 percent to 21 percent. In 2004 white evangelicals were 23 percent of the electorate, sparking fears of impending theocracy by some on the Left.
Exit polling revealed Protestants and other Christians (including evangelicals and Mainline Protestants of all races plus presumably Eastern Orthodox), who made up 53 percent of the electorate, voted 42 percent for Obama and 57 percent for Romney. A poll more strictly confined to Protestants shows they favored Romney 62 to 37 percent. White Protestant and other Christians, comprising 39 percent of the total, favored Romney 69 to 30 percent. Weekly Protestant church attenders favored Romney 70 percent to 29 percent.
A pre-election Pew poll showed most Catholics supporting Romney. The exit poll showed Catholics, who were 25 percent of the electorate, voting 50 percent for Obama and 48 percent for Romney. But weekly mass attending Catholics supported Romney by 57 to 42 percent. And white Catholics, comprising 18 percent of the total, supported Romney by 59 to 40 percent, a greater percentage than their 2004 support for Bush. Weekly church goers of all churches, who comprised 42 percent of the electorate, supported Romney by 59 to 39 percent.”
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/11/08/religion-and-voters-in-2012
We have been assiduously crafting the stable of “low information voters” (aka useful idiots) in the nation’s classrooms for at least 4 decades.
Michelle and Barack understood to whom they were appealing in expending much of their re-election time & effort on those dumb, dumb tv shows.
It might take another 40 years to reverse the trend, if it’s even still possible.
I don’t see much of a large scale trend in publick eddukashun to reverse things.
Au contraire.
The trend is already reversing … look a little closer.
At this time, any electoral analysis that doesn’t recognize that the American Constitutional Republic of old was snuffed out last November 6th is worthless at bottom. Any expectation of some will-o-the-wisp Republican resurgence that will magically reassert respect for the Constitution and the Rule of Law in ghettoized Marxocrat-dominated urban/suburban cesspools after the losses of the Hussein era is sheer fantasy. I said in 2008 that when Hussein was elected this country had just seen its “Sack of Rome” moment, an event that signified the end of a tradition of governance and political order that was over 230 years old. Most people didn’t see it coming then, but the re-election of the most repugnant political figure in the history of our country last November has cemented the catastrophe in place. We are now officially a lawless tyranny operating under the whims of dictatorial monsters enabled by a cadre of liars, thieves, and murderers in the Marxocrat Party. Those who don’t recognize this new reality are clueless jackasses and useful idiots who are willing accomplices to their own victimization and enslavement. The only hope for those who still value their freedom and liberty is to begin the process of nullification and secession in the “red” states to liberate their people from the oppression of the Marxocrats in the “blue” states. Then a true rebuilding program can begin to restore the Constitutonal Republic that was stolen from us in those enclaves that are free from the social and political burdens of the denizens of the Marxocrat Party. Given the third-world-like decay, degeneracy, and demographics of today’s “blue” states, no other option is viable or possible.
“At this time, any electoral analysis that doesn’t recognize that the American Constitutional Republic of old was snuffed out last November 6th is worthless at bottom.”
Pretty much sums it up.
^^^this
Which is why I keep trying to tell people that ideological issues have been superceded by plain and simple survival. Unless you willingly submit to what’s coming, the options are freedom or death, now. A more or less simple range of choices are all that remains: Submit, willingly, to tyranny or prepare to fight for your freedom.
We’re now one ‘national emergency’ away from open tyranny. We’ve been living under the illusion of freedom for decades, while living in a defacto tyranny.
Currently, the left owns D.C. except for the The House, which the Pubbies hold by their fingernails. Politically, republicans are all but toothless, now. The Supremes are more or less on a leash. The left owns the rest, lock stock and barrel.
Read the WaTimes editorial from a few months ago. “The Civil War of 2016.” The Army has been wargaming an American civil war. Keep in mind the recent purges of ‘disloyal’ personnel in the DoD and The Pentagon. Those people were replaced by those who are more loyal to the current regime.
Listen to the demonization of the right by everyone on the left, especially since the election.
Worrying about moochers or wondering why the Pubbies in D.C. can’t get their head’s outta their a**** is now a secondary concern.
Good luck with this analytical approach. We’ll win by demography approach. The only thing the Democrats know are Demography. The base of the Democratic party are people who hate each other and everything they stand for. Unionized whites, along with welfare receiving minorities, fake intellectuals with phony degrees, etc…etc… in fact they managed to hold that coalition together when racial tensions were much higher and they were forcing through busing and affirmative action. They will gerrymander the hell out of the suburbs and the GOP will lose.
The GOP is flushing it chances down the toilet and doesn’t care. The best way to have prepared for the next election was to have faced down the Dems immediately after the election. Publicly call them out and say we won a substantial segment of the population and it is our duty as their representatives to look after their views as strongly as possible. It would have demoralized the Democrats. All that work and next day square one. In the budget crisis as the minority party we should be working from a position of strength. Like it or not a substantial portion of the American people want it settled this way and we are not going away.
Instead we are doing it the Karl Rove way. Let’s disappear for 4 years, ask for donations starting the 3rd year from now and get rich win or lose. That is not a party. That is a scam
Hear, hear …
Publicly call them out and say we won a substantial segment of the population and it is our duty as their representatives to look after their views as strongly as possible.
Two days ago, BHO signed an executive order raising pay to federal workers something like $11 billion. Besides envying China’s autocratic powers, this president would dearly love to remove the “power of the pursestrings” from enumerated powers of the House of Representatives.
What with all the unilateral moves of executive spending, it’s almost like that already.
When did a President gain that sort of power (to make pay raises through executive order)? His designated powers have nothing to do with such things.
Why and how do other branches of government allow him (and the executive branch in general) to get away with so much ?
It’s ASIF they’re impotent and ceding to a monarch.
You sound kinda Butt-hurt. Whasamatter…your butt hurt from Obama’s pounding?
Some day, maybe some day soon, we’re going to have a serious disagreement with punks like you. It won’t be your butt that hurts, that sort of thing is more characteristic of your side of the ditch, but the hurt won’t last long and you’ll find peace.
That is very close to a terrorist threat is it not? That kind of dialog in manys opinion, adds nothing of value to any conversation!
No, it isn’t even close to a terroristic threat, but I know how to do those too.
That’s intelligent and useful. Do you have a high school diploma? I think not.
More importantly, if you want to win future elections, a good starting point would be to avoid advice from someone who found Mitt Romney’s loss unexpected.
#1 wrote, “…independent voters who were concerned about foreign policy …”.
It’s my impression that “independent voters” are also “low-information voters” who get their news from Daily Show, etc. I doubt any significant number of them give a hoot about foreign policy or, if they claim to, could identify the countries in which Aleppo, Natanz and Tahrir Square are located.
Overall, the American people are more satisfied with President BHO than with any potential Republican, conservative or Tea Party alternative.
A lot of independents were ran out of the party…because they weren’t ‘pure enough.’
Many, many others, like myself, saw that you weren’t doing what you said – saying one thing and doing the exact opposite…and then did our own research and our own thinking.
Plus, you keep doing the same wrong/bad/unethical and stupid things, over and over, while expecting different results. Like attacking anyone who doesn’t toe the SoCon line on every little jot and tittle of your ideology.
We’re not stupid. We are – and are – paying attention.
Then, there’s the same six to eight million conservative voters who stayed homw in 2008, because McCain wasn’t ‘pure enough.’ …and who stayed home again during the recent election because ‘Romney wasn’t pure enough.’ Those are the voters who gave us Obama.
“Then, there’s the same six to eight million conservative voters who stayed homw in 2008, because McCain wasn’t ‘pure enough.’ …and who stayed home again during the recent election because ‘Romney wasn’t pure enough.’ ”
Really, do you have any proof of those numbers or are they just made up?
Do your own research. Look outside of the box you’re living in…examine yourself.
The numbers are there and documented…if you’re willing to look.
I’ve played this game with both sides before. Still got some lefty christian socialist trying to beat me with pure sophistry, while ignoring or discounting any and all references and resources I offer…including Thomas Jefferson.
Speaking of T.J….
Let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty and even life itself are but dreary things. And let us reflect that having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled and suffered, we have yet gained little if we countenance a political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of as bitter and bloody persecutions.”
Why not just kill yourself?
Actually the “numbers” for your claim are not there nor well documented.
The high point for republicans was in 2004. 62 million. In 2012 they got 61 million. I repeat.. where is your missing 9 million conservatives who did not vote?
And where do you get this impression? “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” Mark Twain.
Perhaps a choice between two big government, establishment types wasn’t enough to enthuse the suburban Republican vote. Meanwhile the Rovian view is that the evil Tea Party did us in. Just wait till next time. That’s the plan.
Fiscally this can’t continue, but the Republicans will work with the Democrats to drive us as deep into ruin as possible. There are two pro big government parties, and nobody on the side of the majority of Americans, who want a smaller government and less spending.
You could point out to kids that college costs have risen astronomically because of the governmental interference which leaves them in indentured servitude, but we don’t want to anger the bankers, do we? Young people gave Obama his victory. You didn’t even ask for their vote.
Nope, keep pushing the dream that you’re going to win because it’s your turn, or something.
It is very simple.
Those of the non-blue blood Republican//Rhino persuasion no longer wish to participate in the elections of do nothing, stand for nothing, spineless jelly fish RHINOs.
Those of us who know how to survive and prosper refuse to participate in the upkeep of those who would be parasites on the people. Let it burn. It is the only way to kill the infection. Yes, those of us over the age of 40 may not ever see good times again.
But, you know what? It is time we make our children’s lives more important than our own.
Ditch the DC insider consultants, run to win instead of run not to lose as Romney did. Reach out to libertarians as Jim DeMint suggested prior to the election. Drones flying in the US, Feds reading private email, TSA is out of control, DHS is out of control, local police are being militarized, the dollar is devaluing, GOP is terrible at messaging, they cede ground right out of the gate on any issue by using progressive language and falling into the class warfare trap. GOP “leadership” is awful. Learn from Scott Walker, he showed how to win twice in a Leftist state. In fact, Walker sent early warnings to Romney when he said he was concerned with the campaign. Karl Rove has done great damage, he needs to go away. Romney made a mistake to embrace O’s foreign policy, he should have gone after the disaster in the Middle East which has led to the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood. Tie O to Egypt who supports the Sharia based government and still sends them US taxpayer dollars and military weapons. The ME is a powder keg, we have more troops in Northern Africa and the media is silent, Congress is silent (yes, GOP senators, your silence is noted)
Go back to the 2010 elections and recall the ad with the spending junkie, it was effective but all we heard this time was “POTUS is a nice guy, he’s just in over his head” Ditch the consultatants and focus on New Media, unleash young conservatives to discuss issues, no more McCain interviews, bring on Walker and others who can articulate the conservative message.
“Republican Hopes”, ain’t gonna cut it!
It will take, blood, sweat and tears WORK and EDUCATION on all fronts. Local, state and federal.
I am strongly pro-life, but I still would have voted for moderate Romney if he had chosen a different VP. Don’t get me wrong, personally I think Paul Ryan is a great guy, I just think that he may have turned some people away. On the flip side, if a Republican candidate were to go too far and endorse infanticide as Obama has, I would change my vote or stay home. The point of my babbling is that I would vote for someone much more moderate than myself if I believed they were a good candidate for other reasons, but I would not tolerate radical cruelty such as letting born babies die on a cold table.
– whites and your browns who flee here have only what whites give them.
Another ignoramus writing here ?
Mexico/Central American “browns” (your term) have been fleeing here (your term) for decades, the stream continuing as we speak, looking to establish more fruitful lives than they’ve been able to achieve in their native countries.
Those “browns”, whose condition you bemoan, still come to America, legally and illegally, seeking a better life for themselves.
Maybe you should take up your gripes with them.
The republican party must fire the consultants who have no idea what they are doing, now that the era of Chicago politics has slithered into the presidential realm. Or are sabotaging the candidates with the mantra of leading by following, trying to voluntarily give away our sovereignty as a policy. When in the heat of the campaign, the candidate shall instill a sense of strength in being principled with a fundamentally conservative message the way Ronald Reagan did. Speak of the benefits of dealing with issues before they becom a crisis. This current leader virtually refuses to fulfill his job requirements unless we have a looming disaster in the works. Also, the msm hates you anyway, so don’t pander to them. Also, initiate the platform, set the dialog, refute their argument using facts, and at all times be respectful. The last four years, much of what we’ve done is taking winning arguments and letting liberals twist them to end up on the losing end. Then we act sorry for the beliefs we have after getting humiliated. Where am I wrong?
WhatWouldFoundingFathersDo
They would shriek to see what their beautiful scheme has devolved into.
Most of them predicted that their Republic would be under constant threat, mostly from within and the tendency of Jabba The Hutt government to grow bigger and bigger and grab more and more power.
They tried to devise every which way, every check and balance, every separation of powers to stave off the inevitable.
It worked pretty well for 235 years or so.
Whatwouldfoundingfathersdo?
They rose up against tyranny then and would do so now. Are we a lesser people?
Yes, we are a lesser people.
Or at least frogs in a pot of water that is ever so slowly being brought up to boiling.
A self-indulgent, lazy, self-absorbed people.
An ignorant distracted people, unschooled (intentionally) in the workings of our government and our rights and responsibilities thereunder.
A brainwashed people.
Incrementally, day by day, we cede a little bit more, grow a little more accustomed to the drip drip drip of our individual liberty.
“Eternal vigilance is (really is) the price of liberty.”
William Buckley long ago characterized his role as standing athwart History and yelling, “No!”" That’s what Republicans have been doing for a long time now and, obviously, the majority doesn’t like it. Alaska had always been a Democrat state through the ’80s. Even the two Republican governors we’d had, Hickel/Miller in ’66-70 and Hammond ’74 – 80 had been relatively liberal and had to govern with Democrat or coalition Legislatures. But the Republicans gained control of the Legislature in the ’80s and the state had because of growth of the oil industry and population growth largely from oil states become decidedly more libertarian/conservative. In ’90 in an open primary, the Republicans nominated another standard Democrat approved liberal Republican. Former governor Hickel bolted the nomination and prevailed upon the Alaska Independence Party to make him their nominee. He ran a largely personally financed campaign and won. For the first time a nominally Republican governor formed a government without saying “mother may I” to the Democrats.
I and a group of other fairly high-level but non-political ‘crats went to the inauguration. As we were returning to work, one in the party, the wife of a Democrat appointee whose future was uncertain, turned to us and said, “this is going to be like having to ask your parents for the keys again.” I spent the next sixteen years being one of the people that people had to ask for the keys and often, almost always, saying no. I’d just gotten re-married and I also spent that same period saying no to my wife and my stepkids as we tried to live as civilized human beings under assault by the schools and popular culture. I’ve become really tired of being the adult in the building!
We have become a nation of spoiled children who really just want the car keys and don’t want to hear any crap from some old man about being safe and wearing seatbelts and obeying speed limits. You can do that with your kids and take the guff that comes with it because you love them, at least in the abstract. I don’t know that I love this Country enough to continue to be the responsible adult and take the abuse any more. I live far away from the Blue places and their looters and moochers and I can do a lot to reduce my tax burden. I think it may be time to take Voltaire’s advice and just tend my own vegetables.
I think it may be time to take Voltaire’s advice and just tend my own vegetables.
No, don’t think so. The quote I know (Candide?) is: “It is up to each of us to cultivate our garden” — but V didn’t mean it as an exhortation to drop out and just say screw it. He was referring to his polemical attacks on intolerance and religious persecution (both of religious nutjobs and by religious nutjobs — which will be news to many of the deflating gasbags around here). He meant fix your own wagon first, then attack.
AFAIK, he never figured out how to deal with the idiocy of the masses. Short of wholesale slaughter, nobody has. The GOP sure as hell isn’t the solution.
until the surburban dolts all over the country actually feel pain there will be no change in their idiocy or voting patterns
Yesterday, I watched the mother in a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) at McDonald’s pay for an egregiously huge pile of food with an EBT card.
You think all those Obama voters looking for an easy ride and a free lunch, the millions more now on vastly expanded unemployment (some legitimately, many illegitimately) the 15 million more on food stamps since 2008…are going to rise up against “tyranny” ?
You think they’ve even read that it is their right and responsibility to do so when any government becomes destructive of the ends for which it was created ?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Hell, we now have a President who most often leaves out the phrase “endowed by their Creator” when citing this passage in the Declaration of Independence. (Unless he’s kissing up to some particular group, that is.)
He’s trying to convince you that he and his government alone are the source of your “rights”.
“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the
Christian Religion.” – George Washington
On the other hand “Christians” of these times, are the biggest violators of moral compassion and charity for their fellow citizens as spoken to a few times in all their Bibles.
Furthermore, ‘individual freedom’ has always been and continues to be, a liberal philosophy in the world. The issue of ‘equality’ is likewise, a liberal philosophy and a cornerstone in Christianity.
The tea party evangelical social movement of today are sure a bunch of confused people!
You start out with an inaccurate quote by President Washington (copying and pasting from Wikipedia is not that hard, dude) and then you proceed to idiotic statements like: “The tea party evangelical social movement…”. The tea parties are expressly neither evangelical nor a social movement…they oppose increased taxes and excessive government regulations, and strongly support adherence to our Constitution. There is NOTHING evangelical in any of these beliefs or in any tea party principles. The Romney Republicans call us purists (like that is something bad) because we have these principles.
Further, in your statement that: “Furthermore, ‘individual freedom’ has always been and continues to be, a liberal philosophy in the world” you also apparently do not realize that Democrats are and have always been completely illiberal. They were illiberal when they were the slavers in the South in the 18th and 19th centuries, they were illiberal when Democrats formed and still are in the KKK, they were illiberal when they banned alcohol and other drugs, they were illiberal when they got us into WW1, the Korean and Vietnam Wars. The progressives and Democrats stole the word ‘liberal’ to cover for their true aim; which is communist slavery of the world.
Durn! I use to give some respect to you and your positions by reading them. I may have erred! First, your assuming theory of my “copy and paste” from wiki whatever is flat wrong — as is your assumptiom that I inaccurately quoted President Washington. Be that as it may, you’re entitled the freedom to make a fool of yourself.
The you state matter of factly that “The tea parties are expressly neither evangelical nor a social movement…” Empirical data post 2010, would indicate otherwise. You are obviously choosing to ignore for some self servie motive, the reality of three (3) distinctly differing factions within the GOP these days — actually for a few decades now. One of those factions struggle to gain control over, and manipulate the term conservative. Another faction rides along to gleen the rhetoric of ‘freedom’ bantered about by the other faction, for their own self serving motives and could give a hoot about any religious or fiscal conservatism — or even the constitution.
Then you go on to state, “…you also apparently do not realize that Democrats are and have always been completely illiberal.” Again, reality seems to have escaped you for the moment. The entire american concept by the founders was a liberal one by all manner of definitions. Imagine when the GOP was founded by anti-slavery expansion activists and modernizers. Geez! Human rights and progressive activists of the time? Afterall, slavery was not unconstitutional at that time nor was a progressive (modernizer movement) concept among society. In fact, some within the party didn’t think the GOP to be nearly liberal enough thus, they formed the short lived Liberal Republican party.
I think you’re defining the term “liberal” in some self serving means just as so many Christians do today with the Christian Bibles scriptures. Speaking of the Christian Bible! Seems there is a pretty general consenus among most theologians that God gave to all, free choice or free agency and speaks too and otherwise infers to human charity and compassion for one another. One could argue, I supose, that the long time consistant platform of the democrats, being defined in a short and sweet manner, declares “freedom and equality” as their mantra is liberal. Now if you can think that through without your political zealous hat on for a moment, you would realize that, that mantra fits rather nicely within both the framework of the constitution and the Christian Bible — freedom, equal rights and compassion! Don’t believe in aborting a baby – don’t have an abortion. Don’t believe in contraceptives – don’t take them. Don’t believe in killing and/or maiming your neighbor – don’t do it. Don’t believe in any particular right – don’t partake of it. The founders respected the free rights of all – not just some! Thus, the constitution protects everybodys free and equal rights, apart from ANY religion or religious beliefs, as it does in terms of the welfare of the nation and its people.
Far to much hypocrisy in all these ‘political’ discussions!
After reading your post, I am pretty sure what you would do with me if you could. Guess what, I would do the same to you if I could. Peace, dude!
Another ignoramus writing here ?
No free launches?
Maybe you should take up your gripes with them.
Indian Americans are skipping the inner city and going straight to the suburbs. Their population is exploding in California, New Jersey, Virginia,…
Bengali kids listen to their parents and study hard in practical majors such as engineering, computers, law, dentistry, accounting, & medicine. Their parents want their kids to avoid the grind of commerce.
These same kids are also dream students for their teachers. No rebellion. No wise cracking. No fighting. They hang on every word their teachers say.
This includes their teachers opinions that America is a racist country. That Socialism is good. That america is the only (post)industrial country that lacks national health care.
Indians also skew a little bit dorky and feel that being down for the struggle with blacks and latinos might make them a little bit more authentic.
Whatever it is. They have followed Jewish Americans into the category of ethnicities that live like WASP’s and vote like Puerto Ricans.
If the future shape of the electorate is at risk, one long-term strategy, for those of us who are married, is to have large families. I have noticed that people on the left now value birth control with an almost religious zeal, and it’s difficult to see such people as these having more than two children, if even that.
They just outsource it and bring in illegal aliens to vote instead of the children they didn’t have.
Yep! The European socialists have done something similar by allowing excessive Muslim immigration.
“Republican Hopes Rest on …”
The GOP of today is decimated from within. The party become infiltrated by the Libertairians (anarchists) a few decades ago and then the Evangelical Christian social movement a couple decades later. So now, each of the three components are in mutiny mode with each other as the democrats with the majority approved populist messaging, goes marching on, missing not a drum beat while at the same time throwing more ‘fuel’ on deck for GOP mob fights.
Sites like this one, among more more, are glaring examples of why the GOP is decimated and will be relegated to the has-been file for sometime into the future as they continue to fight among themselves for control of party power. In the meantime they have no national or party consensus platform or messaging. They are their own worst enemy!
Progressives, Islamists, socialists, post-modernists, communists, and etc. are our worst enemies. Unfortunately, some Republicans adopted the progressive secular cultist faith around the time of Teddy Roosevelt. You are partly correct that there is a civil war inside the Republican party (decimation is an understatement).
The tea parties are not now and have never been anarchist. They believe in lower taxes, reduced regulations, smaller government, and adherence to the basic law of our land (e.g., the Constitution).
Geez Ceteris Paribus, take a deep breath collect yourself and pull your political hat from over your eyes. I have never; let me repeat, never, said nor infered the tea party to be anarchists. The anarchist reformed as the libertarians are another separate faction of the GOP.
The tea party as it has evolved to the present, delivers rhetoric in whatever wrappings they think will gain them attention, validity and power. Unless the original tea party movement regains their name and legitimates causes, the tea party of today will increasingly be identifyed as deceitful opportunists –rightfully so! States data since 2010, will certainly lend creedence to what I’ve observed and believe.
Take off your zealous political hat, get some rest, drink a lot of fluids, eat something nutritious and try to avoid a heart attack or stroke over dialog on a political propaganda internet site. Life is way to short! Hug your family and spend more time with them.
You seem to be a bit smarter than the average troll. The smarter part doesn’t apply to any kind of decency on your part. You are evil! If anyone is paying you to write the confused and false stuff that you post, they are getting more of their money’s worth than the average George Soros troll. I write this as a warning about you to people who are patriots!
Aaah! When all else fails, defer too Alinsky and the Handbook for Fadicals. I thought you to be better than that Ceteris Paribus.
“Aaah! When all else fails, defer too Alinsky and the Handbook for Fadicals. I thought you to be better than that Ceteris Paribus.”
Your attempts at mind games are mostly meaningless to me (although enough that I respond here). I know that you would Gulag me if you could…and guess what…I would Gulag you too if I could. It is time you progressives understand the concept of anti-progressive political enemies. Oh wait, Janet Reno and her boss has been all over this problem for years.
We’re still talking about saving the “party”????? Who gives a crap about the republican party? Let’s talk about saving conservatism. The only way to do that is to let the party die. Wake up folks, the “party” is a liberal organization, just like the dems. One side is rabid marxist, one is simply socialist. Sorry, but I won’t settle for either choice. I don’t know who it was, but he said it best when he said “The republican party doesn’t like big government. It likes lots and lots of small government.” LET IT DIE.
Theres three (3) distinctly different groups inside the GOP attempting to use the same term “conservatism” to identify themselves.
One groups issues have little to no constitutional merit. Another of the three groups is well founded constitutionally but has no rational platform with which to solve the governments problems. The last of the three groups is essentially an anarchists faction, cherry picking freedoms issues as they may benefit their philosophy.
In the meantime, these groups have decimated the traditional GOP.
The best solution to save the “conservatism” that you speak too, is for them to leave the traditional GOP and go form their own official parties to run on. I’m betting the spines of the two ‘radical’ groups are someting far less brave than their mouthed noise makes them appear among themselves.
I have to admit. Your response intrigues me. Give me some examples of representatives of these three groups. All I see is a group of squishy soft liberals, a group of constitionalists, and a group that votes republican because, well, the just do….
make that “constitutionalists”…..
Sure Mark — be glad to.
1. The Libertarians. A new party formed in 1971 from the old anarchist bunch.
2. The Christian Right/Moral Majority. Founded in 1980 largely by Jerry Falwell and expanded upon throughout the 80s by the likes of James Dobson, Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanan.
3. The traditional GOP founded in 1856 as anti slavery activists and standing for equal rights, freedom and advancing society. The name “Republican” was chosen because it alluded to equality and reminded individuals of Thomas Jefferson’s ‘Democratic’-Republican Party.
Well, that’s the problem. I think you give the modern republican party too much credit for being what it was in 1856. It’s become dem-light. Modern repub leaders have no interest in being true to those values. The only value they adhere to today is their own power. They don’t view the dems as wrong, just rivals for power. Time to let it die.
So, in the name of ideological purity, you resort to name calling, ad homs, personal attacks against your only political allies…. and threats against the lives of those allies.
Meanwhile, in D.C., the left is merely one ‘national emergency’ away from an open tyranny. Not only is your freedom in danger, but your lives and the lives of your loved ones is at stake.
You folks have your priorites a little backwards, here.
Freedom or death. …or bow down, on your knees, and willingly and gratefully accept your chains…but never again fool yourselves into thinking that you are free.
You, Bonesteel, are a truly tiresome fool. You contribute nothing. At most you’re an “aginner.” You just piss on whatever anyone else says or has done but really don’t offer anything. Why don’t you go away?
He makes some good points now & then but unfortunately he shrouds them beneath a rather unnecessary air of superiority & sanctimony. I must confess it’s rather off-putting.
Republicans in 2013 should realize there are no more elections on the national level they will ever again win. Boehner will be the last republican to hold his current job.
The republican faithful saw what happened last election and were not amused at their total and abject surrender.
Stand with the democrats against the Bill of rights and Constitution and they may stand with the democrats after a very bloody revolution, against a wall.
Not That I wish any harm on any republican or their suck buddy democrats.
Never again?!
1952-1960: Republican (Ike)
1961-1968: Democrat (JFK, LBJ)
1969-1976: Repub (Nixon, Ford)
1977-1980: Dem (Carter)
1981-1992: Rep (Reagan, Bush)
1993-2000: Dem (Clinton)
2001-2008: Rep (Bush II)
2008-present: Dem (U NO WHO)
Looks to me like we switch every eight years, just about.